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Sources: Ireland suggested that Martin confront Incognito physically

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The strange, bizarre saga of Jonathan Martin and Richie Incognito continues to unfold, with a name that previously hasn’t been mentioned now thrust into the middle of the burgeoning mess.

Per multiple league sources, Dolphins G.M. Jeff Ireland received a call from one of Martin’s agent, Kenny Zuckerman, after Martin left the team on October 28. Zukerman complained to Ireland about the manner in which Incognito was treating Martin.

Ireland, according to the sources, suggested to Zuckerman that Martin physically confront Incognito. Ireland specifically mentioned that Martin should “punch” Incognito.

Reached for comment by phone on Wednesday night, Dolphins senior V.P. of media relations Harvey Greene reiterated to PFT the position that there will be no public comment from the team on any aspect of the situation, given the league’s pending review.

Throughout the past few days, it’s become clear that too many people in and around football believe that locker-room bullying should be met with violence. That fact that Ireland suggested that Martin should physically confront Incognito is, frankly, alarming.

Ireland’s comments to Zuckerman, coupled with Wednesday’s comments from multiple players, also supports Martin’s eventual conclusion that the team wasn’t inclined to do anything about the situation without Martin taking a stand — not by fighting Incognito but by walking out.

UPDATE 11:04 a.m. ET 11/7/13:  A prior version of this story identified the agent as Rick Smith.  It was Kenny Zuckerman, who works with Smith at the same firm.  Also, a prior version of this story characterized the call as happening before Martin left the team.  The call happened after Martin left.

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  1. iced107 says: Nov 6, 2013 11:54 PM

    LOL

  2. tfbuckfutter says: Nov 6, 2013 11:57 PM

    Was his first suggestion that Martin question Incognito’s mother’s profession?

    Seriously, how does this guy have a job? And I don’t even mean in the NFL. I don’t even understand how he could hold down a minimum wage position throwing sawdust on vomit.

  3. titusyoung says: Nov 6, 2013 11:57 PM

    This lawsuit practically brings itself.

    The NFL will be better without Ireland.

  4. jc327 says: Nov 6, 2013 11:57 PM

    Sounds like more bull$#!t to me.

  5. maniakalol says: Nov 6, 2013 11:58 PM

    Blah blah blah blah

  6. tfaulk says: Nov 6, 2013 11:58 PM

    “Ireland’s comments to Smith, coupled with Wednesday’s comments from multiple players, also supports Martin’s eventual conclusion that the team wasn’t inclined to do anything about the situation without Martin taking a stand — not by fighting Incognito but by walking out.”

    I see little evidence thus far that “the team” wanted Martin to walk out. There’s been lots of support and surprise.

    If this is true, Ireland is screwed. Which is good, so be it, and let’s move on.

  7. jonevans83 says: Nov 6, 2013 11:59 PM

    sounds more like smoke and mirrors coming from Martins camp in response to the players statements today. Still, all speculation until the facts come out.

  8. ananonymoussource says: Nov 6, 2013 11:59 PM

    Dez Bryant should have punched Ireland.

  9. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 7, 2013 12:01 AM

    Good God this is becoming a muddled mess. And despite it all, as much as I was automatically against Incognito, I’m starting to look at the team as complicit, and wonder if Martin isn’t just the product of litigious parents acting in sniveling fashion here.

  10. onebucplace says: Nov 7, 2013 12:01 AM

    The Glee generation has no idea how to deal with people that aren’t giving them a trophy.

  11. warhammer420 says: Nov 7, 2013 12:01 AM

    The depth of dysfunction within Miami continues to amaze.

  12. thestrategyexpert says: Nov 7, 2013 12:02 AM

    Seemed obvious to me. I saw him on Hard Knocks and he was a bully then. As well as also a lousy GM then. But he’s gotten even worse.

  13. neilpountney says: Nov 7, 2013 12:02 AM

    So what life lessons should we draw from this situation, that when we have people stress us out we should punch them in the face. I take it law enforcement will turn a blind eye to this sort of behavior!

    We go on about players being role models for kids but so many people have come out and said that Jonathan Martin is in the wrong here, no wonder so kids today are so confused!!!

  14. lostsok says: Nov 7, 2013 12:02 AM

    Wow. What a horrible week to be a Dolphin fan. The ONLY thing left for us is the relief that we are not nor ever will be Jet fans.

    Short of that…the glass is officially all empty.

  15. doctorrustbelt says: Nov 7, 2013 12:07 AM

    Josh Freeman should have punched greg schiano.

  16. doctorrustbelt says: Nov 7, 2013 12:09 AM

    Everyone in the ravens locker room needs to punch joe flacco.

  17. daysend564 says: Nov 7, 2013 12:21 AM

    Ireland is right. If Martin wasn’t such a sissy, he’d have stood up for himself. Instead he runs away and drags everybody down with him.

  18. doggeatdogg says: Nov 7, 2013 12:23 AM

    I’m going to bed now. Hopefully no p0rpoise nightmare tonite.

  19. fireeyes111 says: Nov 7, 2013 12:27 AM

    After all of the other shenanigans he’s been responsible for down there, this should be the final nail in the coffin.

    So long, Jeff.

  20. keylimelight says: Nov 7, 2013 12:29 AM

    That Dolphin owner Ross re-signed a man like Ireland to be GM of his franchise says a lot about Ross himself and gives us a glimpse as to why the Miami locker room is in disarray.

    That $#it rolls down hill.

  21. jacobslatter says: Nov 7, 2013 12:32 AM

    Meh, Ireland still sounds better than any HR department at any medium/large company.

  22. xpensivewinos says: Nov 7, 2013 12:34 AM

    Five miserable, awful, embarrassing, pathetic years.

    Hopefully, the Jeff Ireland Error is rapidly coming to a conclusion.

  23. swedishfish14 says: Nov 7, 2013 12:38 AM

    First it’s physical, then I suppose he should use his gun if that doesn’t work, right?

  24. dadeyemi says: Nov 7, 2013 12:40 AM

    He’s done for

  25. NoWearMan says: Nov 7, 2013 12:43 AM

    Go Browns!

  26. moody88 says: Nov 7, 2013 12:50 AM

    Looks like Dolphins are screwed.Big fine,Lose some Draft picks,Suspensions.

  27. fusstr8tedfinfan says: Nov 7, 2013 12:52 AM

    I suggested the same thing last week and got more thumbs down than ever before so I don’t really think there are many people “around” football that agree with the fire with fire mentality.

  28. dlk47823 says: Nov 7, 2013 1:02 AM

    That’s good news for us Jets fans..I think the glass is all empty if you’re a Miami fan!

  29. 1972wasalongtimeago says: Nov 7, 2013 1:05 AM

    Remember, we have Bill Oarcells to thank for Jeff Ireland.

  30. craniator says: Nov 7, 2013 1:18 AM

    So now , it’s Ireland’s fault ? Yeah , okay. LOL

  31. packersarethebest says: Nov 7, 2013 1:20 AM

    Classless franchise from top to bottom! I’m officially speechless.

  32. dontcensormebro says: Nov 7, 2013 1:54 AM

    Isn’t that the face of intelligence?

  33. igotgamenj says: Nov 7, 2013 1:59 AM

    Yea a GM of a team is going to tell his players to fight each other …don’t believe the hype !

  34. savojah says: Nov 7, 2013 1:59 AM

    Martin is gonna get paid, and alot of people are gonna lose their job.

  35. fdugrad says: Nov 7, 2013 2:15 AM

    Ladies and gentlemen, I give you, The Miami Dolphins “Brain Trust.”

  36. bennyb82 says: Nov 7, 2013 2:28 AM

    Tampa Bay feels lucky to only be dealing with MRSA and a 0 in the win column.

  37. bennyb82 says: Nov 7, 2013 2:31 AM

    To take back the spotlight, Greg Schiano is renting a charter boat for the team so they can go poach Dolphins. Team building excercise…

  38. Fantasy Football Consultant says: Nov 7, 2013 2:37 AM

    Dez Bryant says my dads a pimp and my mom works for my dad. What would you think?

    I guess the next player that throws a punch at practice is sueing the team or going to jail. Jeez.

  39. dirtysoufsavage says: Nov 7, 2013 2:50 AM

    Ireland wanted to see Martin take a step towards toughening up, big deal. Cry, media, cry.

  40. jayquintana says: Nov 7, 2013 3:01 AM

    Message to Tannenhill: as soon as you can get the heck out of there, get the heck out of there.

  41. strongmackn says: Nov 7, 2013 3:03 AM

    He already had no redeeming qualities as a gm

  42. tdubdizzle says: Nov 7, 2013 3:44 AM

    The Dolphins are a dysfunctional organization from top to bottom. Man im glad to be a Raiders fan!

  43. chucknorrissinspiration says: Nov 7, 2013 4:57 AM

    Do you think he suggested he confront Incognito by showing him a clip of George McFly confront Biff Tannen?

  44. tim581981 says: Nov 7, 2013 5:23 AM

    just like everything in this country goes. the more money involved the more controversy comes with it. its eventually going to ruin the product

  45. promickey says: Nov 7, 2013 5:53 AM

    The unfortunate thing about this is that Ross may still not fire Ireland.

  46. mortyglickstein says: Nov 7, 2013 5:58 AM

    Ireland should do all Dolphins fans a favor and punch himself in the face.

  47. morr24 says: Nov 7, 2013 6:17 AM

    Why does it seem all of the leaks keep coming from Martin? I smell a rat.

  48. stevemo says: Nov 7, 2013 6:46 AM

    I continue to be amazed by the amount of people that are holding onto every word from anonymous sources. Wait and digest the information that comes out as this process actually happens.

    Here’s to hoping Miami can band together against the public bullying and make a playoff run.

  49. shutupbrees says: Nov 7, 2013 7:07 AM

    My HR department told me to do the same about the co-worker who never re-fills the paper trays on the printer.

    60% of the time, it works every time.

  50. mrcogburn says: Nov 7, 2013 7:45 AM

    Sound advice. It’s what any man would tell his son when dealing with a bully.

  51. mainephinfan says: Nov 7, 2013 7:48 AM

    I’m not saying Martin should’ve punched Incognito but he could have a least put his big boy pants on and told him face to face to cut it out.

  52. aequitas83 says: Nov 7, 2013 8:03 AM

    I just find it remarkable that this guy has lasted so long based on his job performance alone.

  53. touchdownroddywhite says: Nov 7, 2013 8:05 AM

    Stupid move on Ireland’s part, but if Martin was the kind of guy you’d want in the trenches with you, he’d have done it without an idiot GM telling him he should.

  54. universalseeder305 says: Nov 7, 2013 8:05 AM

    Please tell me this means Jeff Ireland will be fired?!?

  55. fiezzybeatz says: Nov 7, 2013 8:05 AM

    Ireland’s toast!

  56. fground says: Nov 7, 2013 8:06 AM

    the tough guy thing is kind of sad. You do know that the brains of world control right? They’ve come up with all manner of weapons like Nuclear Bombs for instance, that make individual strength pointless.

    Being the biggest baddest toughest guy gets you a career as a high paid circus act, but you are just that, an act for the amusement of all and working for the nerdy brain guys.

  57. annes22 says: Nov 7, 2013 8:09 AM

    This is all so strange. Let Jonathon Martin stay with Mummy and Daddy in California, he maybe safe there.
    Good on the locker room speaking up yesterday, now let the NFL figure it all out. Wait for the lawsuit
    from the Martin parents. He left the team, so stay away for ever.

  58. 1rockyracoon says: Nov 7, 2013 8:17 AM

    The Jaguars are an awful team, but at least they’re not the Dolphins. The Vikings can’t seem to do anything right this year, but at least they’re not the Dolphins. Even Tampa Bay is more respectable than the Dolphins. The entire franchise is clueless and classless. The great part is that they think they can weather the storm and rally around the team. Nobody on that team is bright enough to outsmart any investigation the NFL does. As the truth leaks out the team looks worse and worse.

  59. artiesliver says: Nov 7, 2013 8:22 AM

    It all makes sense now why all the Dolphins rallied around Incognito. Martin used him.

  60. artiesliver says: Nov 7, 2013 8:38 AM

    Every year the OL pays for a trip to go to Las Vegas. Martin agreed to chip in for it. The rest of the O lineman set up the trip and paid for it. And when they asked Martin to pay his part,he backed out.

  61. harryhoop15 says: Nov 7, 2013 8:41 AM

    Ireland’s was basicially just telling the agent to have Martin start to stick up for himself. The players have spoken loud and clear they are supporting Incognito. I would be surprised to see Martin playing again in the NFL. It is his own fault for being a baby and a rat.

  62. latenightroach says: Nov 7, 2013 8:48 AM

    Time to clean house, starting from the top.

  63. azarkhan says: Nov 7, 2013 8:48 AM

    The more I read, the more I sympathize with Richie Incognito and the Dolphins.

  64. dman6015 says: Nov 7, 2013 8:57 AM

    Of course all those players came out yesterday supporting Incognito. Would YOU want to be on the wrong side of him? You never know, could be another Hernandez in the making.

  65. anpsteel says: Nov 7, 2013 9:02 AM

    Of course he should have punched him, but Ireland has to know he can’t say that.

    This is a complete set up by Martin.

    Clearly he doesn’t want to play football – and he has set up all the pieces to win a lawsuit and make nfl money without the nfl job.

  66. annapterp says: Nov 7, 2013 9:07 AM

    The more info that comes out makes me realize that this thing is being blow WAY out of proportion. Lets move on.

  67. ccjcsr says: Nov 7, 2013 9:29 AM

    From Director of Scouting (Cowboys) to GM with the Dolphins, obviously this guy is better suited behind the scenes as he doesn;t use the best judgement when the spotlight is on him.

    #packyourbags

  68. bullcharger says: Nov 7, 2013 9:46 AM

    Martin went to the team and the team did nothing about it. That means they were condoning Incognito’s behavior.

  69. tvguy22 says: Nov 7, 2013 10:05 AM

    Shouldn’t have changed the logo.

  70. dirtyjersey9er says: Nov 7, 2013 10:09 AM

    Looks like Dolphins fans might get their wish of a new GM after this black eye on Ireland.

  71. farvite says: Nov 7, 2013 10:23 AM

    “Jimmy Johnson, hello, Stephen Ross here.”…

  72. essentialsausage says: Nov 7, 2013 11:14 AM

    I doubt that would have stopped the bullying.

  73. cospgsmadman says: Nov 7, 2013 11:31 AM

    I agree with Ditka. Punch him the face, you might get your arse kicked but it would have stopped right then and there.

  74. beachsidejames says: Nov 7, 2013 12:14 PM

    Ritchie C. is the one not getting treated fairly. Everyone close to the team knows it especially the players and they don’t like it. Time bring him back and lets play some football.

  75. psmith922 says: Nov 7, 2013 12:41 PM

    The timing of that suggestion is a pretty huge deal, but of course you barely acknowledged your mistake.

  76. phinfan says: Nov 7, 2013 1:44 PM

    So this nation is coming down to this:

    If my son gets picked on during a school bus trip… I should SUE????

    I remember the old days of my dad saying punch the bully in the mouth.

  77. phinfan says: Nov 7, 2013 1:45 PM

    The best thing that could come from this is IRELAND getting FIRED.

  78. alan3008 says: Nov 7, 2013 2:47 PM

    First, the time to come to the GM for help is BEFORE your client walks out, not after, moron. Not that it would have helped anyway, with this idiot GM.
    Ireland should be fired for incompetence and/or poor judgement.
    If a member of the coaching staff ordered Incognito to “toughen up Martin” he should be fired.
    If the head coach knew about this, he should be fired as well.
    Time to clean house in Miami and start over. This kind of conduct by managers, coaches, and players is unacceptable.

  79. alan3008 says: Nov 7, 2013 2:52 PM

    The best way to handle bullying is to stand up to them, no matter who you are. Bullies usually will go pick on someone who will not fight back. Best bet is to catch them with a surprise punch, quick and hard, to the face. If they think you will fight back they will usually stop bullying you. I see it all the time and it worked for me.

  80. daglaws says: Nov 8, 2013 10:05 AM

    With Florida having their ‘Stand Your Ground’ law, I wonder if there’s a point where bullying will trigger an SYG response…

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