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Incognito refuses to talk about the “toughen up” angle

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Perhaps more significant than anything said by Dolphins guard Richie Incognito during his Sunday interview with Jay Glazer of FOX Sports is what Incognito didn’t say.

Incognito refused to address the question of whether someone told him to “toughen up” tackle Jonathan Martin.  Omar Kelly of the South Florida Sun-Sentinel has reported that Dolphins coaches indeed gave that instruction to Incognito.

“I asked Incognito if the coaches ordered a Code Red,” Glazer said on the air, after the interview played.  “Did they order him to toughen up Jonathan Martin?  Incognito sidestepped the question, saying he can’t answer because of the ongoing legal situation.  The NFL is expected to meet with Jonathan Martin in Los Angeles later this week.”

But there really isn’t an “ongoing legal situation,” other than Incognito’s suspension.  If he was merely carrying out orders, he wouldn’t undermine his position by saying so — he’d help it.

The truth could be that Incognito is simply honoring the code of the locker room by not talking about a possible “Code Red” on Martin.  If that’s the case, the question becomes whether Incognito will admit it to Ted Wells, the investigator hired by the NFL to look into the situation.

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  1. lsuzilla says: Nov 10, 2013 7:50 PM

    Why aren’t you asking why Martin continued to joke around with his so-called tormenter?????

  2. thepftpoet says: Nov 10, 2013 7:51 PM

    Jonathan Martin reminds me of a typical Packer fan….

    Weak, defenseless and full of excuses

  3. staffordsyear says: Nov 10, 2013 7:53 PM

    Ugh..this is getting just as bad as the Vikings stadium issue,brett favre etc…Enough!

  4. getitrightflorio says: Nov 10, 2013 7:54 PM

    That’s what will do the front office in. Gross mismanagement by Philbin. The N word comment didn’t help either. Hopefully Ross will move team out of Miami. What a circus

  5. fishfan39 says: Nov 10, 2013 7:55 PM

    Well I have to say that I can respect the fact that Incognito isn’t willing to throw his teammates, coaches, or management under the proverbial bus.

  6. ivanpavlov0000 says: Nov 10, 2013 7:55 PM

    Incognito meets with his PR/management team, and then is interviewed by one of his close friends. Do we know how many rehearsals he was allowed to do with Glazer before this was taped?

  7. i, flounder says: Nov 10, 2013 7:58 PM

    he talks with his hands. gross.

  8. kd75 says: Nov 10, 2013 7:59 PM

    I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up a weapon, and stand a post. Either way, I don’t give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

  9. kd75 says: Nov 10, 2013 8:00 PM

    You don’t want the truth because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall, you need me on that wall. We use words like honor, code, loyalty. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline.

  10. ratbastardshanahandjob says: Nov 10, 2013 8:01 PM

    Unlike Martin. Help him or not. Incognito is being a team player not wanting to be a Rat….

    All the kings horses and all the kings men can’t put Martin’s story back together again……

  11. nfl4days says: Nov 10, 2013 8:01 PM

    I talk with my hands……..

  12. chinahand11 says: Nov 10, 2013 8:02 PM

    Nick Saban talks with his hands too. Looks like he’s trying to do a magic trick or something.

  13. apmn says: Nov 10, 2013 8:02 PM

    Hal?

    Hal?

    Hal?

  14. jc327 says: Nov 10, 2013 8:02 PM

    “Hopefully Ross will move team out of Miami. What a circus”

    Why?

  15. dontcensormebro says: Nov 10, 2013 8:03 PM

    So what was learned from this interview besides nothing? Glazer didn’t ask about the golf outing sexual assault and he didn’t ask about the $15k Martin allegedly forked over to finance Incognito’s trip to Vegas.

    Glazer did however slip in a mention about his martial arts training. Quite honestly though, seems like he only has a black belt in shameless self-promotion.

  16. dukeearl says: Nov 10, 2013 8:03 PM

    lsuzilla says:
    Nov 10, 2013 7:50 PM
    Why aren’t you asking why Martin continued to joke around with his so-called tormenter?????
    *******
    That has been asked and answered before.

    Victims of bullying will often try to play along with their tormentors hoping that they will stop.

  17. assuredmutualdestruction says: Nov 10, 2013 8:04 PM

    Over 1,100 text messages between them…that’s more than me and my girlfriend over that same time span. You can’t tell me these two weren’t close.

  18. blacknole08 says: Nov 10, 2013 8:06 PM

    Did you really expect Incognito to be completely forthright with Glazer? Of course the team put him up to it! He doesn’t need to blatantly say it. I’m sure his lawyer advised this.

    But he did keep the focus where it needed to be — his role in this whole situation. I dunno if he lied or not, and I don’t like Incognito, but at least I can give him that.

  19. tfaulk says: Nov 10, 2013 8:06 PM

    “But there really isn’t an “ongoing legal situation,” other than Incognito’s suspension. If he was merely carrying out orders, he wouldn’t undermine his position by saying so — he’d help it.”

    Are you really claiming there is no ongoing legal situation?

    Are you really claiming it’s smart to speak about such things now?

  20. steelersaregodsteam says: Nov 10, 2013 8:07 PM

    Meanwhile, the Steelers continue to march.

    10-2 run contines.

  21. thethunderofgunns says: Nov 10, 2013 8:07 PM

    Interesting hypocritical view by pft.

    Try sending a pic like that to one of them and see how serious that gets taken.

    Try sending a pic like that to anyone deemed in authority in our country and the FBI, SS, and the IRS would be on you like white on rice.

    It is clear that these two joked in that way and talked to one another that way either by stupid looking pics or texts. One got litigious about it end of story.

  22. phillytj says: Nov 10, 2013 8:09 PM

    Agree with fish fan

  23. muleski says: Nov 10, 2013 8:09 PM

    I’ve been involved in well over 100 depositions of back-peddling, lying, and “successful” guys. Most a lot smarter than Incognito. Incognito is lying through his teeth about the level of his involvement, and he would be VERY WISE to tell Wells if he was in fact told that Martin needed to be toughened up by the staff, which seems obvious. Remember, this guy is Philbin and Ireland’s OL “leader.” I’m quite sure that at the time, RI felt he was doing the right thing, even for Martin. I’m equally sure that he now realizes how serious this is, so he’ll implicate everybody above him, once he realizes it’s his only shot at saving his career, avoiding a civil suit, etc. This guy is not that smart. He could easily get tripped up in this. He also has a temper, which will probably flare.

    This has zero to do with any locker room code of conduct. This activity is without question illegal, and the NFL, Ross, and every legal authority will shortly snap once the data is gathered. Even if it’s the “way it has always been”, and yes it’s the violent world of the NFL, it is illegal. Ross is looking at a big financial hit in all of this…maybe hundreds of millions of dollars based on the franchise devaluing. Martin’s actions and behavior is not going to be an issue. Easy to make a very credible case that he was pushed over the edge. Listen carefully to what his Stanford coaches, teammates and opponents have to say. He’s the victim, and will stay the victim until this is resolved. Fans may not think so, everybody else will. Everybody who matters.

    Very sad mess. And having Glazer “interview” his buddy. What a joke. Awful. I think Fox erred on that one. It was far too rehearsed.

  24. staffordsyear says: Nov 10, 2013 8:10 PM

    @assuredmutualdestruction

    Hmmm, maybe to close?

  25. salscobrakai says: Nov 10, 2013 8:12 PM

    If indeed there was a Code Red issued, would the Dolphins be able to fire Philbin and not be responsible for paying him?

  26. backdapack4evr says: Nov 10, 2013 8:13 PM

    NFL = WWF
    what a joke
    Give this story a rest already..

  27. offendedforyou says: Nov 10, 2013 8:15 PM

    muleski: What’s illegal about two friends sending offensive messages to each other? And what’s illegal about an OLine coach saying “toughen up” a teammate (if that even happened). Hell, in my line of work, the boss may come to me to help get a coworker to perform up to their potential. Big deal! Clearly they were friends, or at least Martin gave every impression to Incognito that he was his friend – so how can you blame him?

  28. chinahand11 says: Nov 10, 2013 8:15 PM

    A wretched softball interview then an “it could be” article. A Sentinel reporter is quoted but no source is cited. Please stop it, don’t make me read any more of these articles. I don’t know how much more I can take of this story.

  29. bradygirl12 says: Nov 10, 2013 8:16 PM

    Time to clean house in Miami.

  30. getitrightflorio says: Nov 10, 2013 8:16 PM

    Great point Muleski. Spot on

  31. rickintexas says: Nov 10, 2013 8:16 PM

    Let’s not focus on all he did say but more so throw a slant on this that the Dolphins are the evil empire! This of course in light of it seems like a lot of what Martin has outlined is falling apart. Really ProFootball Talk???

  32. presidentgolfsalot says: Nov 10, 2013 8:17 PM

    Hey Sportswriters!

    Has your witch hunt help soothe the harsh memories of the atomic wedgies you suffered in high school?

    Didn’t think so.

    The Incognito/Martin Affair:
    aka The Revenge of the Nerds

  33. ravenswhat says: Nov 10, 2013 8:20 PM

    People defending Incognito sicken me. Hmm..he has an extensive record of idiocy while Martin has never had any issues. Yet people seem quick to defend Richie and crap on Martin. Bizarre.

    Nothing is gained by resorting to violence to solve a problem. Martin did the right thing.

    In the Miami locker room it’s more honarable to stick up for a Neanderthal than to make an example of one. Sad.

  34. nyjetsfan08 says: Nov 10, 2013 8:20 PM

    I have to admit, Incognito came off as very disingenuous, maybe even rehearsed. The only thing he regretted was use of the n-word. Nothing else. Nothing was raised about his past reputation and all these things coming about about him–the charity golf game, punching bouncers, being kicked off or not welcomed back to college teams and pro teams, considered to be one of or the dirtiest player in the league by those inside the game, taking money from players, holding meetings at strip clubs–were not addressed by Glazer. Take a look at this:

    Glazer: You’re telling me there wasn’t any signs going into that?

    Incognito: As the leader, as his best friend on the team, that’s what has me miffed — how I missed this. I never saw it. I never saw it coming.

    You see that? “As the leader”, he says! I think he just admitted he is the leader of that Dolphins locker room. How sad is that??? You’re telling me he’s THE leader of that locker room? No wonder the Dolphins locker room is surrounding him.

  35. dapackisback says: Nov 10, 2013 8:21 PM

    Anybody know if Jake Long required the other offensive linemen to meet at strip clubs last year (including the married ones, and fine them if they didn’t appear) or called the rest of the guys the n-word for grins?

    I believe this caveman can’t help himself as far as his actions go, and expecting him to behave like a decent human being is probably asking too much.

    Which leads to the question: How in the world did the Dolphins organization allow him to not only be on the leadership council, but to rise to be “the leader of the leadership council”? Especially AFTER the golfing incident.

    FYI: ESPN has a video with a couple of Miami reporters talking about Incognito being viewed as the leader of their leadership group.

  36. Ferdinand says: Nov 10, 2013 8:22 PM

    And the lawyers are glad he was smart enough to shut up about one thing at least. Too bad he already did so much damage in that interview.

  37. fdugrad says: Nov 10, 2013 8:24 PM

    The longer this incident has continued, and the more comments I hear from players within The Fins locker room, the more I believe that the brutish Incognito will be playing on some NFL team WELL before Martin will. Rather ironic if it actually plays out this way, ain’t it?

  38. gquesen says: Nov 10, 2013 8:28 PM

    I’m glad I’m not the only one rolling my eyes at this. The media just loves this nonsense. It’s shocking how many people are in disbelief that harassment could happen on an NFL locker room. Think about it people, this stuff happens all the time…seriously

  39. dapackisback says: Nov 10, 2013 8:35 PM

    fdugrad says:
    Nov 10, 2013 8:24 PM
    The longer this incident has continued, and the more comments I hear from players within The Fins locker room, the more I believe that the brutish Incognito will be playing on some NFL team WELL before Martin will. Rather ironic if it actually plays out this way, ain’t it?
    ——————————————-
    You must have missed the poll of current NFL players off of 24 teams (3 per team) where only 20% preferred Incognito to Martin or neither. Almost half said they’d welcome Martin on their team (34 out of 72).

    80% wanted no part of Incognito on their team.
    Incognito may be able to fool some of the average fans, but NFL players know how a locker room is supposed to operate and they want no part of somebody that caused the dysfunction in the Dolphins locker room polluting theirs with his twisted thinking.

  40. jonevans83 says: Nov 10, 2013 8:37 PM

    Once Martin’s story falls apart the media and PFT will spin it to attack the Dolphins organization so that they can continue the angle and just shift the target.

  41. wmelch says: Nov 10, 2013 8:40 PM

    The headline could read “Martin refuses to talk about the -toughen up- angle” and it would be no less accurate and no less pejorative. However, given the status of PFT’s newest poster boy for all that’s wrong with the NFL and society, this will not happen.

  42. rajbais says: Nov 10, 2013 8:40 PM

    What if Incognito didn’t want to make the coaches look bad.

    His activation is in their hands.

    He’s innocent of everything. He’s done nothing wrong.

    As for the “ongoing legal situation,” ever heard of misspeaking?????????

    If you have a lawyer investigating can’t he interpret it as a “legal situation”????

    Plus, there’s no clear record of him graduating college. Didn’t he get kicked out??

  43. getitrightflorio says: Nov 10, 2013 8:42 PM

    People defending Incognito sicken me. Hmm..he has an extensive record of idiocy while Martin has never had any issues. Yet people seem quick to defend Richie and crap on Martin. Bizarre.

    Nothing is gained by resorting to violence to solve a problem. Martin did the right thing.

    In the Miami locker room it’s more honarable to stick up for a Neanderthal than to make an example of one. Sad.

    That’s your typical delusional Dolphin fan for you. See it everyday here in Miami. There is more to a stadium upgrade as to why the fins didn’t get a superbowl. The are designated for the festivities is one of the most crime ridden place in the U.S. would have been a ton of tourists robbed or killed.

  44. ratbastardshanahandjob says: Nov 10, 2013 8:43 PM

    >>>dontcensormebro says: Nov 10, 2013 8:03 PM So what was learned from this interview besides nothing? Glazer didn’t ask about the golf outing sexual assault and he didn’t ask about the $15k Martin allegedly forked over to finance Incognito’s trip to Vegas.

    Glazer did however slip in a mention about his martial arts training. Quite honestly though, seems like he only has a black belt in shameless self-promotion.<<<<

    The whole interview hasn't aired. You learned there were over 1100 text messages from Martin. Even after he left the team. Martin so bullied and in fear but he still sends texts after he left the team. One thing though. Martin still won't man up. He blames others for things getting out…

    Incognito: I texted with him, I text messaged, I spoke with him through text message. And he texted me and said, 'I don’t blame you guys. I blame some stuff in the locker room. I blame the culture. I blame what was going on around me.' And when all this stuff got going and swirling, bullying got attached to it and my name got attached to it. I just texted him as a friend and was like, 'What’s up with this, man?' He said, 'It's not coming from me. I haven’t said anything to anybody.' And I’m like, 'OK.'

    They are gonna play the other parts on that other Fox channel. But the 15 K has been answered the other day. The OL were all going on a trip. Martin also. He backed out after all the arrangements were made and paid for. So they wanted Martins portion since he promised to go. Thats on Martin. Martin didn't finance everything. Only the portion he owed……

    The golf outing really has nothing to do with Martin. But anyway Glazer did ask: You obviously have had a very checkered history. From way back in college all the way up to recently with last year with the incident at the golf course. You’re sitting up here and saying, 'Hey, I’m a good guy.' It’s difficult for us, as America, to grasp that when all they see are the episodes.

  45. captainphintastic says: Nov 10, 2013 8:44 PM

    dapackisback says:
    Nov 10, 2013 8:35 PM
    fdugrad says:
    Nov 10, 2013 8:24 PM
    The longer this incident has continued, and the more comments I hear from players within The Fins locker room, the more I believe that the brutish Incognito will be playing on some NFL team WELL before Martin will. Rather ironic if it actually plays out this way, ain’t it?
    ——————————————-
    You must have missed the poll of current NFL players off of 24 teams (3 per team) where only 20% preferred Incognito to Martin or neither. Almost half said they’d welcome Martin on their team (34 out of 72).

    80% wanted no part of Incognito on their team.
    Incognito may be able to fool some of the average fans, but NFL players know how a locker room is supposed to operate and they want no part of somebody that caused the dysfunction in the Dolphins locker room polluting theirs with his twisted thinking.

    —————————————-

    @dapackisback (lol at the name!)

    And that poll couldn’t possibly have been manipulated by the media at all. LOLOLOL
    Can’t say who gets an NFL job first, but most of us know who will play more games during their career… #68 Richie Incognito. Bet your house on it.

  46. xpensivewinos says: Nov 10, 2013 8:44 PM

    Gee, with Jeff Ireland in charge, who could have possibly predicted something this incredibly stupid would have happened?

    If only there had been a sign, the slightest indication or some type of warning over the past five years.

    Yup…..total shock.

  47. ncumpire51 says: Nov 10, 2013 8:50 PM

    getitrightflorio says to move the team out of Miami,why? Evidentally you are not a Dolphin fan or a Miami fan,either way you are ridiculous.The dolphins will always be in Miami and this should not reflect on Philbon.You have team leaders{players} that should have stepped in and handled it and then and only then if the problem persisted you take it to the head coach.There is a very good possibility the coach never knew about it

  48. getitrightflorio says: Nov 10, 2013 8:52 PM

    jonevans83 says:
    Nov 10, 2013 8:37 PM
    Once Martin’s story falls apart the media and PFT will spin it to attack the Dolphins organization so that they can continue the angle and just shift the target.

    It’s a little late for that the organization already looks like a bunch of Clowns

  49. barbeaux says: Nov 10, 2013 8:58 PM

    Now they’re showing that the kill your family text was actually a goofy meme…something just isn’t right.

  50. hbegley6672 says: Nov 10, 2013 9:13 PM

    Of course not Mike… Incognito is a jerk and an easy (he brought it on himself by his past behavior) target…. Everything fits the #florioagenda

  51. bender4700 says: Nov 10, 2013 9:21 PM

    Nobody in the media wants the truth to be Martin was a willing and constant participant in the immature behavior.

    Secretly bug a bunch of 14 year old boys talking. Guarantee the same dumb crap is said between them Including use of the N Word. Listen to kids on Xbox Live for a few minutes.

    Seriously people, what rock are you living under? This is nothing more than a case of a bunch of large bodies little kids playing a GAME making millions. They are praised, and given all kinds of rewards and benefits to play an aggressive, violent game. And when they act like that, people get all high and mighty about them. Who is that stupid?

    You are shocked that Richie isn’t looking like a bully anymore and Martin is looking like someone who dug himself in a hole?

    PFT, why not talk about how Martin texted Richie after the Cincy game saying “I don’t blame you guys”?? Says A LOT. That doesn’t fit the story the media has built from day one. So they ignore it.

    Why? Because the media wants Richie to be guilty, so they have someone to focus on. They want this bullying case to be real, because they’ve talked non stop about it for a week plus. Bullying is a major problem in America, and 60% of it is how America perceives it. Two grown men talking smack in a joking manner is NOT bullying.

    God forbid they realize how wrong they had it, since they are alllllll outside of the big party that is the NFL.

    Total joke. The comments have all shifted too. Should tell ya something.

    This story will be another example of gross overreaction and immediate acceptance of hearsay and rumors. Martin hasn’t said a word and yet the media has told us “Richie was a bully” the whole time.

  52. bender4700 says: Nov 10, 2013 9:25 PM

    ESPN, PFT, and most of the general media want this to be “Richie Bullys Martin”. Because that’s how they’ve shaped the story from the beginning.

    So why do we expect anything different from any of them? Just ridiculous.

  53. captainphintastic says: Nov 10, 2013 9:44 PM

    I think Incognito should sue Jon Martin, Florio, and quite a few other “media” (term used very loosely) members.
    What’s it called Mikey? Defamation, or slander?

  54. thefiesty1 says: Nov 10, 2013 10:01 PM

    Nebraska Criminals. Throw’em in jail!

  55. getitrightflorio says: Nov 10, 2013 10:01 PM

    LOL dolphins fans trying to defend the most pathetic franchise, let alone defend a bunch of racist rednecks, Tannenfail, hartline , and clabo.

  56. apkyletexas says: Nov 10, 2013 10:08 PM

    The questions that need to be asked of Martin:

    1. At what point did you realize you would never be a $100 million dollar star NFL left tackle like you were told at Stanford? That you would be about a $10 million dollar career journeyman at most?

    2. Who did you blame when you realized you had lost about $90 million career dollars? Your teammates? Your NFL coaches? Your college coaches? Incognito? Yourself?

  57. ninjapleazee says: Nov 10, 2013 10:08 PM

    These are the days of our lives

  58. getitrightflorio says: Nov 10, 2013 10:15 PM

    Granted I have been slamming the fins organization but given the state of the AFC it would suprise me the fins make it in as the 6th sees.

  59. 1rockyracoon says: Nov 10, 2013 10:16 PM

    Whatever the outcome, the Dolphins have been shown to be a pathetic team.
    *Why didn’t a coach try to stop Martin from leaving the team when this first happened?
    *Some of the players have said they consider Incognito an honorary “black” guy. This would explain why they let him frequently use the n-word. It seems like some of these ignorant players hold Martin’s education and his parents success against him.
    *Philbin doesn’t seem to know what goes on in his licker room
    *Hazing is not something most teams do, just the pathetic teams like Miami

  60. raidersftw says: Nov 10, 2013 10:30 PM

    Hopefully Martin never plays another down. What a spineless scumbag

  61. gjdodger2 says: Nov 10, 2013 10:32 PM

    Incognito is auditioning for his next team, and if he were to admit management had ordered him to harass another player, nobody would ever hire him again.

  62. beach305 says: Nov 10, 2013 11:02 PM

    So far the Incognito’s and the Dolphins have been accurate in there statements.

    1. Martin reneged on a Trip to Vegas that was already paid for.

    2. Martin & Incognito had a friendly banter that was twisted.

    3. Martin never told the team or players about any issue.

    4. Ireland never told Martin’s agent for Martin to hit Incognito.

    5. Martin wrote 4 days after leaving that he didn’t he didn’t blame anybody but that the pressures of the NFL was getting to him.

  63. footballfanatic666 says: Nov 10, 2013 11:23 PM

    martin is a loser…. a quitter!!! move on to a worthwhile topic!!! quit trying to put political correctness into football… this isn’t grade school… stop bullying bs… he is a 350 lbs man… he can’t be bullied!!! only a kid can!!!

  64. jacksprat57 says: Nov 11, 2013 1:02 AM

    “Hopefully Martin never plays another down. What a spineless scumbag” — raidersftw

    Yeah, he should’ve manned up, like Jovan Belcher, right? When your world is spinning out of control, apply swift and blinding violence to it, that’s the ticket. (SARCASM)

  65. jacksprat57 says: Nov 11, 2013 1:10 AM

    “What’s it called Mikey? Defamation, or slander?” — captainphintastic

    (1) It’s called “definition of character”.

    (2) The truth is an ABSOLUTE defense to charges of defamation or slander.

  66. allday420ap says: Nov 11, 2013 3:20 AM

    what a couple of bozo’s

  67. maureenfarr says: Nov 11, 2013 9:45 AM

    I read an article from the Miami Herald yesterday that made me think about this in a different way. It talked about Incognito’s admitted past issues with alcohol and drugs saying he especially can’t control himself when he is drinking. That could explain why he sometimes sends nasty texts and voicemails when other times he is friendly with Martin. I think he has a hard time controlling himself normally, but add alcohol and it could get much worse. I also think Martin is a sensitive person who was happy to be done with his rookie season and expected to be treated with more respect in his second season since you supposedly ‘earn’ more respect once you aren’t a rookie anymore. When he was still treated like a rookie, probably because of his sensitive personality and background, he couldn’t take it anymore. In any case, these adult men should all be treating each other better and with more respect and understanding. Just because you are a professional athlete doesn’t mean you should have a pass on human decency.

  68. muzzie0323 says: Nov 11, 2013 11:53 AM

    Why didn’t the other African American players on the Fins team say anything about the racial comments being tossed out at Martin?? Has anybody talked to Reggie Bush about Incognito? I wonder what the relationship was between those two as well as Incognito and the other AA players on the team??

    I’m betting there is way more going on here that is not being reported. I am not saying Incognito isn’t guilty, but Martin not saying anything at all, has got me to raise an eyebrow.

    Why is Martin so hush hush? He could blow this whole incident wide open, if he talked. Could Martin not have clean hands after all??

  69. captcrunch5019 says: Nov 12, 2013 1:26 PM

    Martin is a whooose (note extra o’s because of his size) and does not deserve the kid handling that he is getting. On the other hand Incognito does not deserve to have his money taken away with out a conviction. Ross himself said he didn’t have all the facts. If in fact he does not have all the facts…why suspend any body until you do have ALL THE FACTS?

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