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Incognito: NFL investigation will “get to the bottom” of whether coaches wanted Martin toughened up

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On Saturday, Jay Glazer of FOX Sports interviewed suspended Dolphins guard Richie Incognito. On Sunday, FOX televised only a small portion of the interview.

Arguably the most telling exchange — on the topic of whether coaches ordered Incognito to “toughen up” Jonathan Martin — was omitted.

Glazer addressed the issue during FOX NFL Sunday with what folks in the TV business call a tag: “I asked Incognito if the coaches ordered a ‘Code Red.’ Did they order him to toughen up Jonathan Martin? Incognito sidestepped the question, saying he can’t answer because of the ongoing legal situation. The NFL is expected to meet with Jonathan Martin in Los Angeles later this week.”

FOX has posted the raw video and audio of the exchange, which in our assessment contains something more than a refusal to answer.

“There’s another report out there also that, and again it’s part of the what went on behind the scenes there, that your coaches ordered you to, quote, toughen Jonathan Martin up,” Glazer said. “True or false?”

“I’m here to talk about my relationship with Jon,” Incognito said.  “There’s an NFL investigation, and they will get to the bottom of all that. This is about me and Jon, and this is about me caring for this guy and me loving this guy like a brother.”

If there was no order to toughen up Martin, the easy answer would have been that no order was given.  By Incognito avoiding the question and saying that the NFL’s investigation “will get to the bottom of all that,” there’s nothing to get to the bottom of unless there was an order to toughen Martin up.

So, yeah, someone wanted Incognito to toughen up Martin.  Which could be good for Incognito, and very bad for whoever in Miami gave that order.

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53 Responses to “Incognito: NFL investigation will “get to the bottom” of whether coaches wanted Martin toughened up”
  1. tfbuckfutter says: Nov 13, 2013 9:53 PM

    Look at Richie in his little church shirt. Fat guy in a little shirt. Fat guy in a little shirt. What a queer.

    #ownmedicine

  2. thestrategyexpert says: Nov 13, 2013 9:56 PM

    Incognito is just following the script that leads to the best interests of his financial concerns which are up for debate and potential litigation. He’s just following advice and posturing the best he can consistent with what his team members in his camp are telling him so that he can secure the maximum potential payout outcome for all interrelated issues that are at play in this overall jigsaw puzzle.

    It’s just a picture of some money and certain sections have more money printed on them than others, and so all parties are trying to figure out what do they do from this point forward, not being able to correct previous missteps, such that they can uncover the best pieces out of this free-for-all grab session.

    It’s just another game behind the game. And something Miami is starting to figure out is a more complex problem than they originally thought when they made those original missteps.

  3. guyljr says: Nov 13, 2013 10:06 PM

    How is calling a guy a half ni$&er excused because he was told to toughen him up? I try to toughen my son up every day…. But I dont call him a pu89y bastard child or anything close in the process.

  4. lanman11 says: Nov 13, 2013 10:10 PM

    What do you want him to say? There’s book and movie rights in play. Why give away the plot now?

  5. verybadadvice12 says: Nov 13, 2013 10:10 PM

    This whole situation is just idiotic. The texts I have seen appear pretty mild compared to the stuff me and my friends send each other on a daily basis. Nobody knows how to handle criticism or take a joke anymore.

  6. dartwick says: Nov 13, 2013 10:12 PM

    thestrategyexpert says: Nov 13, 2013 9:56 PM
    “stuff”

    I doubt Incognito is mart enough to follow a “script” as complicated as you suggest.

    Im sure he had a list of subject to not comment on, but I doubt it went much deeper.

  7. ialwayswantedtobeabanker says: Nov 13, 2013 10:15 PM

    “tfbuckfutter,” why are you talking so tough to Richie Incognito?

    Ohhhh wait, it’s because you’re on the internet. Disregard my prior question.

  8. osnap30 says: Nov 13, 2013 10:16 PM

    I can’t believe no one has put 2&2 together. This is his ace up his sleeve. When all hell goes down and they try making him the scapegoat , after the pending investigation .he’s going to pull this card out and saying oh no the coaches told me to do it so he doesn’t look like such an ass. Why has no one thought of this???

  9. silverhornet says: Nov 13, 2013 10:17 PM

    There just might be a difference between a coach or personnel man telling Richie to toughen up Martin and what Richie (and his teammates) ended up doing to Martin. Maybe they took it too far? Gasp!

  10. sirsupersouthern says: Nov 13, 2013 10:25 PM

    Pack your bags, Mr Ireland…

  11. j0esixpack says: Nov 13, 2013 10:25 PM

    Philbin can look on the bright side.

    People really frown on bullying – but just imagine how much hot water he’d be in if he’d violated a rule change from the previous season regarding the placement of video cameras on the field

    If he’d done that he’d REALLY be vilified by the NFL fandom.

  12. therealraider says: Nov 13, 2013 10:26 PM

    I feel sorry for Dolphins fans.. Football teams should be owned by football people.. Instead you poor fans got a real estate mogul who thinks he can tell football player how to act. Ross is a boy in a mans world.

  13. thelastbesthope says: Nov 13, 2013 10:27 PM

    “You can’t handle the truth!

    Son, we live in a world that has walls, and those walls have to be guarded by men with guns. Who’s gonna do it? You? You, Lieutenant Weinberg? I have a greater responsibility than you can possibly fathom. You weep for Santiago and you curse the Marines. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know, that Santiago’s death, while tragic, probably saved lives.

    And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, saves lives! You don’t want the truth, because deep down in places you don’t talk about at parties, you want me on that wall. You need me on that wall. We use words like “honor”, “code”, “loyalty”. We use these words as the backbone of a life spent defending something. You use them as a punchline.

    I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very freedom that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it! I would rather you just said “thank you”, and went on your way”

  14. gbfb88 says: Nov 13, 2013 10:29 PM

    Whether the coaches wanted it or not, how can you talk to another human being like that? It’s really just sickening that people would treat each other that way.

  15. N JAIL U MY HOE says: Nov 13, 2013 10:31 PM

    How come it’s never your fault, Richie?!?

  16. henryjones20 says: Nov 13, 2013 10:32 PM

    not so fast buddy! maybe there was no order but he just wants to make it look like it was by not answeing so he can casually place partial blame on the dolphins. u gotta think like a criminal sometimes fellas! get with it

  17. drock36 says: Nov 13, 2013 10:32 PM

    WWE, here he comes.

  18. apkyletexas says: Nov 13, 2013 10:35 PM

    Doesn’t matter.

    What matters is that Jim Harbaugh needed offensive line help, and reached out to his guy Martin, and told him to wriggle out of his contract and come join him in San Francisco. Incognito was just a convenient patsy, having said and texted so much idiotic stuff.

    I hope the NFL investigators get to the bottom of THAT.

  19. sabatimus says: Nov 13, 2013 10:40 PM

    Oh this is just too much of a lead-in. Jack Nicholson and Tom Cruise are scoffing at the blatancy.

  20. raideralex99 says: Nov 13, 2013 10:45 PM

    Seriously this is getting boring.
    How many real stories (movies) have we seen where someone has a tough / rough life and successes. Well this story is the opposite … Someone who does not want to put in the hard work but wants the money.
    Release both players and lets see who is playing football next year.
    Martin = failed

  21. offendedforyou says: Nov 13, 2013 10:46 PM

    Even if an order came to “toughen up” Martin, that’s not necessarily wrong, depending on the context in how it came. A “hey, see if you can get Martin to reach his potential” to a team leader is probably standard in the NFL. How Incognito handled the alleged request is what matters, and from the facts, it still looks like all of the “harassment” you seem to be claiming was friendly jabs back-and-forth. I’m still not seeing anything wrong that actually happened in this whole mess, other than the media making a mountain out of a molehill.

  22. jack3dsd says: Nov 13, 2013 10:49 PM

    if he was suppose to it didn’t work

  23. thestrategyexpert says: Nov 13, 2013 10:55 PM

    dartwick:

    Well it looked to me like every moment of that interview was very well calculated and performed by Richard in exactly the way I seemed to envision it before I even saw it. I came away from watching that interview thinking that was the script I would have wrote for him if the goal was to put other competing parties to Richard’s interests in a difficult position.

    And it wasn’t very complicated for him to be able to stay grounded to a couple of very specific ideas and key phrases to use in order to flash a few hints as to what his overriding position is, but in a carefully structured way that is well in line with maintaining maximum possible threat integrity of the overall value of the assortment of cards he is holding in his camp, with his new teammates.

  24. JSpicoli says: Nov 13, 2013 11:04 PM

    Everyone I know got bullied and they all turned out fine. In the past 5 years we have heard way too much of this and it is creating a nation of weak sauce lawyer calling morons.

  25. jr507 says: Nov 13, 2013 11:24 PM

    Prediction – upon Martin winning a large settlement, he and Incognito publicly display friendship and claim to have been pawns in an unfair team bullying initiative. Martin gets another shot in the league due to his youth and potential. Incognito signs on somewhere due to his “whatever it takes” attitude.

    The Dolphins get scammed and effed. As a Jets fan, I love it, but it evidences everything wrong in this over-sissified, hyper-litigated society.

  26. Ben says: Nov 13, 2013 11:35 PM

    Why would the easy answer be to say no?

    If he said no then he would be serving himself up on a platter to Martin’s attorneys by implicitly saying he “hazed” Martin by his own accord.

  27. dennisatunity says: Nov 13, 2013 11:40 PM

    thelastbesthope says:
    Nov 13, 2013 10:27 PM
    _________________________________

    Get a grip, man. It’s a football game.

  28. doctorrustbelt says: Nov 13, 2013 11:43 PM

    If richie incognito honestly answers the question about a code red (there was no code red)…. he will be admitting that he is at fault.

    richie incognito is smart enough to know that planting suspicion on an imaginary other party (other players/coaches/staff) will make him look less guilty.

    richie incognito is an unbelievable loser.

  29. edithpiaf51 says: Nov 13, 2013 11:53 PM

    Maybe Gerard Depardieu would like the film rights to this episode.

  30. eleventyeight says: Nov 14, 2013 12:14 AM

    apkyletexas says: Nov 13, 2013 10:35 PM

    Doesn’t matter.

    What matters is that Jim Harbaugh needed offensive line help, and reached out to his guy Martin, and told him to wriggle out of his contract and come join him in San Francisco. Incognito was just a convenient patsy, having said and texted so much idiotic stuff.

    I hope the NFL investigators get to the bottom of THAT.
    ——————————————————————-

    Bingo! I think you just nailed the whole deal. I’ve had a gut feeling the RI is being manipulated by a most likely more intellectual
    Jon Martin.

    If Martin ends up in SF I will nominate you for Supergenius of the Week !

  31. iltibido says: Nov 14, 2013 12:17 AM

    N JAIL U MY HOE says: Nov 13, 2013 10:31 PM

    How come it’s never your fault, Richie?!?
    ———————————————————

    Hey if it works for President Obama, the Media may believe him also…….

  32. therealraider says: Nov 14, 2013 12:39 AM

    Football teams should be owned by Football people. Real Estate Moguls buying their way in and then thinking they can change the culture of football.. next thing you know Gas station owners will be dictating what’s considered ‘too tough” .. err wait..

  33. rationalitybias says: Nov 14, 2013 12:47 AM

    He has come so far from BRINGIT!

  34. osiris33 says: Nov 14, 2013 1:23 AM

    This is all just a setup for Martin to sue the NFL. Incognito should appeal his suspension and demand to be reinstated pending the outcome of the investigation. He’s being scapegoated.

  35. oldcracker says: Nov 14, 2013 1:38 AM

    What about this reminds me of the Nuremberg trials?

    “I was just following orders.”

  36. wryly1 says: Nov 14, 2013 1:44 AM

    Matters nada. Richie’s football days are over.

  37. cliffclavicle says: Nov 14, 2013 2:08 AM

    I don’t believe Martin was being “bullied” at all. Martin bailed because he was afraid of something involving his teammates. Bear in mind that these teammates include not only noted a-hole Incognito, but Mike Pouncey, a guy who associates with known (accused) felons. Martin doesn’t want to go so far as to rat them out for whatever it is that they’re into, but he clearly doesn’t want any involvment at all with it either.

    Martin isn’t some uneducated moron or a weak, soft baby, in spite of how the story is being pimped right now. He knows that regardless of how much flak he gets for that, it would be nothing compared to the scorn he’d face if he snitched on his teammates. So he’s wisely laying low, being quiet and waiting to see how this all plays out before he speaks.

  38. mickton says: Nov 14, 2013 2:09 AM

    tfbuckfutter is one of those tough guys who talk BIG on the internet.

  39. dolphins1121 says: Nov 14, 2013 2:46 AM

    Hey Mike, where were you guys in 2010 when Rex Ryan and other coaches were revealed on Hard Knocks to have encouraged players to pick fights with Gholston to “toughen him up?”

    The hypocrisy…

  40. regis18 says: Nov 14, 2013 3:03 AM

    The devil made me do it.

  41. imnotyourbuddyguy says: Nov 14, 2013 3:15 AM

    “This whole situation is just idiotic. The texts I have seen appear pretty mild compared to the stuff me and my friends send each other on a daily basis. Nobody knows how to handle criticism or take a joke anymore.”

    Ummm Jon Martin isn’t required to treat a D-bag the same way you would a friend. He’s a professional, getting pay checks to perform a job. I don’t know what some people are thinking, the NFL is a business, it’s a job. Where does it say that Jon Martin needs to take the unwanted filth thrown at him?

    People don’t need to lower themselves to dirtbag levels just because you, your friends and Richie want to wallow there.

  42. ivanpavlov0000 says: Nov 14, 2013 4:21 AM

    It is important to note that Jay Glazer is not an unbiased journalist doing an interview with Incognito to discover facts. He is a close personal friend helping Incognito cover his tracks. Glazer was talking trash about Martin (on FOX Sports) almost immediately after Martin walked.

    Prior to this interview, Incognito met with his management and PR team. Was Glazer at that meeting? Did Glazer and Incognito rehearse this interview before the cameras were rolling? We’ll never know, but it’s not out of the realm of possibility.

    However, you can bet that if this interview had been done by an actual journalist with no connection to Incognito, it would have gone very differently.

  43. jetsjetsjetsnow says: Nov 14, 2013 6:17 AM

    It will be interesting to see if a code red was indeed ordered or if Incognito is just an insaniac operating independently.

  44. blindshootist says: Nov 14, 2013 6:33 AM

    pretty obvious that Martin is/ was a sensitive Sally kind of guy. Heard that Jake Long, in St.Louis now, said something about the Dolphins knowing he had personality issues.

    even if he hated it, there was a protocol in place, couldn’t just ask for a trade?

    exotic way to get out of your contract eh?

    somewhere along the way, someone reported previous suicide attempts… and if it was so overt, why hasn’t Martin spoken since facts are facts. 1100 texts and he plays one from over a year ago to shock the media.

    The Fins players all back Incognito because they all know Martin didn’t have the heart for the NFL. Missing OTA’s and whatever else went on with this guy. Incognito is the poster child, but man, Martin is still the guy who didn’t request a trade or evolve the situation without this kind of drama.

  45. deep64blue says: Nov 14, 2013 6:33 AM

    It’s bad for whoever gave the order but it doesn’t do any good for Incognito either, “I was only following orders” hasn’t worked as a defence since Nuremberg.

  46. jimmyt says: Nov 14, 2013 7:11 AM

    Incognito is the victim here, persecuted by an over aggressive posse of bug-eyed zealot libtards on a mission to force the rest of the world into their brand of political correctness. If he just hangs in there he will see their evil plans usually backfire. Just read the news every day to see what I mean, you can’t miss it.

  47. countmahdrof says: Nov 14, 2013 7:41 AM

    It looks like it may actually have happened – some man told another man to try and toughen up a third man! Congress needs to introduce anti-toughness legislation with serious jail time for any one who expresses or expects toughness. Indeed, attempting to making someone tough is right up there with murder and child abuse in our utopian society.

  48. stratospherex says: Nov 14, 2013 7:48 AM

    Richie is fighting for his career! Some team will end up wanting your services Richie, but it won’t be Tampa… Their OL is better than Miami’s!

  49. FinFan68 says: Nov 14, 2013 7:50 AM

    If you review Hartline’s comments from last Wednesday it appears he inadvertently answered that question

  50. jakescott13 says: Nov 14, 2013 7:56 AM

    Richie’s crazy. Martin’s a wuss. Coaching staff sucks. Bad situation.

  51. touchdownroddywhite says: Nov 14, 2013 8:07 AM

    I want to see Martin get the hammer so bad here. When one of my kids does something bad with his brother(s) and then immediately runs out of the room to be the first one to tell, he gets in the most trouble. He gets in trouble for the bad deed, and so do the others who participated, and then he gets in trouble for trying to benefit himself by selling his brothers up river.

    Jonathan Martin played the reindeer games til it wasn’t fun any more and then burned down the building on his way out. He deserves to be punished if he was saying things to Incognito that were along the same lines as what he said he received from him, if what Jay Glazer says is accurate.

  52. seattlelibtard says: Nov 14, 2013 1:07 PM

    therealraider says:
    Nov 13, 2013 10:26 PM
    I feel sorry for Dolphins fans.. Football teams should be owned by football people.. Instead you poor fans got a real estate mogul who thinks he can tell football player how to act. Ross is a boy in a mans world.
    ________________________
    What teams are owned by “football” people?
    Seattle – no, Dallas – no, St Louis -no, Huston – no, Washington -no, Baltimore – no, San Diego -no….
    should I keep going?

  53. greg2geez says: Nov 14, 2013 1:51 PM

    This no neck puddin head is so lucky he wasn’t messing with Ender Wiggin.

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