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Disputed roughing call in 49ers-Saints game was “absolutely correct”

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With the 49ers leading the Saints by three and less than four minutes remaining in the game and San Fran linebacker Ahmad Brooks sacking Saints quarterback Drew Brees and Brees fumbling and Brooks recovering, the game was over, right?

Um.  No.

Brooks was flagged for roughing the passer.  Specifically he wrapped his arm around Brees’ neck when hitting Brees.

It was, per a league source, the “absolutely correct call.”

And it was.  The rules prohibit forcible contact with the head OR neck area.  Brooks hit Brees in the neck.

Niners fans who are upset about the outcome should be upset with Brooks for choosing not to make clearly legal contact with Brees.  If Brooks had, the 49ers possibly wouldn’t currently be tied with the Cardinals for second place in the NFC West.

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146 Responses to “Disputed roughing call in 49ers-Saints game was “absolutely correct””
  1. thepftpoet says: Nov 17, 2013 8:04 PM

    The 49ers are 1-4 with Aldon Smith in the starting lineup….

    Coincidence? I think not

  2. saintsfan1111 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:05 PM

    Whiner fans already whining thinking they were robbed. Brooks should get a 15k fine with it as well.

    What about the intentional grounding that should have been a safety?

  3. onebucplace says: Nov 17, 2013 8:06 PM

    The call was correct if you hate tackle football – that is true.

  4. leftygun says: Nov 17, 2013 8:06 PM

    Brooks thought he heard Brees ask him for his car keys

  5. thestrategyexpert says: Nov 17, 2013 8:07 PM

    Awesome football play. Too bad they didn’t count that one. Half the referees in the league would have let it slide. This one was in the other half. You win some flips and you lose some. Thanks a lot Blandino.

  6. thereisfootballwestofjersey says: Nov 17, 2013 8:08 PM

    This game turned on Frank Gore’s dropped pass on 2nd down with 4 min left. He uncharacteristically dropped the ball with major daylight in front of him. If he caught it, he probably scores making this article on Brooks’ hit moot.

    Niners showed up, played well enough to win but mental errors cost em. It’s now officially Seattle’s division. Sure would be nice if the Niners had the Hawks schedule full of cupcakes!

  7. harrisonhits2 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:08 PM

    I’ve seen numerous tackles on non-QBs all year with an arm around the target’s neck. This is getting ridiculous.

    I have no problem with helmet to helmet calls for roughing but this ?

    The NFL is moving towards a game where you simply won’t be allowed to touch the QB ever. A sad and pathetic diluting of the game’s quality in order to satisfy attorneys that they league has no liability in future lawsuits.

    I also see a time in the not too distant future where each team is required to have a league attorney on the sideline who approves every play call and numerous other aspects of team operations on game day item by item.

    The National Attorney Ball League, coming to y our NFL stadium soon.

  8. joetoronto says: Nov 17, 2013 8:11 PM

    It shouldn’t be a personal foul, but it is. That’s the way the game is now, soft.

  9. beastnyg says: Nov 17, 2013 8:13 PM

    Breesus’ neck hit Brooks after snapping around like it was attached to a bird that Breesus resembles.

    Bad call

  10. bjgalvin says: Nov 17, 2013 8:18 PM

    It was right. because in today’s NFL a big hit on a high profile QB is a penalty. Hit in the shoulder pads is now a hit to the neck.

  11. conewalker says: Nov 17, 2013 8:18 PM

    The call was correct, but bottom line the league has gotten too soft. The refs dictate the outcomes of the game far too often.

    That used to be called a football play.

    Flag football ten-fifteen years from now, guaranteed. If it’s around at all.

    And I’ll be glad, I’d rather watch real football (20th century football) on youtube all day then what passes as football nowadays…

  12. tmcb7 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:19 PM

    The call on Brooks was correct, but the call on Kaepernick not being intentional grounding was HORRIBLE! “he was well beyond outside the tackle box.” my ass. He took 2 steps to his right and was inside the right hash mark and got rid of it with no one within 3o yards. It ended up correct with the Saints win, but those officials got it totally wrong on that one.

  13. fumblenuts says: Nov 17, 2013 8:19 PM

    “It was, per a league source, the “absolutely correct call.”

    BOOM! ROASTED!

  14. holdsteady76 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:20 PM

    Im not a Saints fan or 49ers fan. I thought the call was terrible. HE DIDN’T HIT HIM IN THE NECK. His arm hit his chest. Brees neck snapped back from the sudden change in momentum but that’s not the fault of the defender. The NFL is so scared of lawsuits they are ruining the game with calls like this.

  15. maxl49 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:21 PM

    Shoulder pads are the new neck !

  16. danpatrickisatool says: Nov 17, 2013 8:24 PM

    The NFL has a chubby for Drew Brees so of course they would throw the flag. That’s not a penalty.

  17. whatevnfl says: Nov 17, 2013 8:24 PM

    Can’t wait til that source has to personally tell Harbaugh it was “absolutely the right call.”

  18. oaktown49er says: Nov 17, 2013 8:25 PM

    I think the Saints are a great team and they may have still won the game without that call. Guess we’ll never know.

  19. northeastkiller says: Nov 17, 2013 8:25 PM

    Where your arm ends up matters. See – every game in which a QB pulls his head into the path of a defender’s arm. Brees wasn’t drooling blood the rest of the game because he hit him in the chest only. Good call, try actually winning after you get 17 points donated to you by the other team.

  20. whatevnfl says: Nov 17, 2013 8:26 PM

    That call was only correct if the hit was on Merton Hanks.

  21. seahawkgoat says: Nov 17, 2013 8:26 PM

    thereisfootballwestofjersey says:
    Nov 17, 2013 8:08 PM
    This game turned on Frank Gore’s dropped pass on 2nd down with 4 min left. He uncharacteristically dropped the ball with major daylight in front of him. If he caught it, he probably scores making this article on Brooks’ hit moot.

    Niners showed up, played well enough to win but mental errors cost em. It’s now officially Seattle’s division. Sure would be nice if the Niners had the Hawks schedule full of cupcakes!

    __________________

    You do realize that Seattle and San Fran play the exact same schedule except for 2 games, right? Do you count San Fran as 2 of the cupcakes on Seattle’s sched?

  22. gt40bear says: Nov 17, 2013 8:26 PM

    Bucs fans can feel you 49ers fans. We have had to put up with the untouchable midget for years. How a 6′ 4″ defender is supposed to hit a 5′ 9″ prima dona “legally” defies reality!

  23. blackngold4life says: Nov 17, 2013 8:26 PM

    Hit was good until the end..almost ripped his helmet off..correct call

  24. remyje says: Nov 17, 2013 8:30 PM

    He put him in the rock bottom

  25. chuckdesaulca says: Nov 17, 2013 8:30 PM

    I’ve been posting a screenshot of the hit, where you can clearly see Brooks wasn’t at his neck but right at the collarbone but it keeps getting deleted. I suppose we have some Saints fans moderating this reply thread.

  26. wilsonjm2003 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:33 PM

    This is hilarious. I’ve posted comments with the ACTUAL TEXT OF THE RULE three times, and each time the post has been deleted. What a farce. I’m guessing that has a little something to do with the fact that no one can provide ANY evidence (video, still photo…?) showing that Brooks actually violated the rule.

    “A defensive player must not use his helmet against a passer who is in a defenseless posture—for example, (1) forcibly hitting the passer’s head or neck area with the helmet or facemask …”

    Anyone?

  27. remyje says: Nov 17, 2013 8:33 PM

    @seahawkgoat

    Thank you for that comment…… People are interesting

  28. 4thqtrsaint says: Nov 17, 2013 8:36 PM

    For all you people who think it was a bad call, it wasn’t. It was a clothesline to the neck. That is illegal. And if it happened to your QB, you’re opinion would instantly change.

  29. deamstray says: Nov 17, 2013 8:37 PM

    It was not a change in momentum, but newton’s 3rd motion law!

  30. shaneniners16 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:38 PM

    Blame brooks!!??!? For making a fantastic play??? Brooks didn’t “choose” to hit Brees in the right spot??? This is the most bush league writting I’ve ever put my eyes on from someone who clearly has never played football. It’s not like picking out your favorite ice cream at the market. The game is played at 100mph and you don’t just choose where to hit a guy who is under 6 foot and moving while bent down. The hit was at Brees upper chest but it looked violent so the refs have to protect the stars at the cost of making the best call. What happened out there was football, it’s a violent game and a great play by brooks. 5 years ago that’s not called.

  31. c4l777 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:39 PM

    No way. The league defends refs. So unlike them. Lmao. Trolls.

  32. tovar176 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:41 PM

    It’s Bree’s fault he is too short, I guess the D-line has to accommodate to his stature, ridiculous call, the refs felt bad so they did not give the intentional ground to SF….to even it out…but the hit on Bree’s is too funny in slow motion, hit of the week…

  33. dad0731 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:42 PM

    Lets not forget the bleeding from the mouth. Bad call no way

  34. goldrush36 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:42 PM

    and to the clown saying there shoulda been a safety on Kaepernick. One he was outside the tackle box. TWO he was actually outside of the endzone when he released the ball. Regardless of what Joe “I hate SF” Buck was saying the tape does not lie

  35. kgbdk says: Nov 17, 2013 8:42 PM

    That was quite possibly the worst call I’ve seen since the Fail Mary. Watch on the replay, Brooks purposefully avoided helmet to helmet contact, grabbed his shoulder pad and held it instead of trying to kill him. The call took the victory away from the 49ers, who would have recovered the fumble.

  36. ken49ers says: Nov 17, 2013 8:43 PM

    This is football, not tennis. How are you supposed to sack a guy? The league is protecting their star money makers. Just put flags on them already and get it over with.

  37. rkab22 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:43 PM

    http://www.nfl.com/static/content/public/image/rulebook/pdfs/15_Rule12_Player_Conduct.pdf

    My first thought is this, Article 13 states:
    ..
    Any physical acts against passers during or
    just after a pass which, in the Referee’s judgment, are unwarranted by the circumstances of the play will be called as fouls
    ..

    This is the catch all clause that only applies during or just after a pass. It does not apply when a QB becomes a runner.

    When you watch the replay the first thing you notice is that Brees holds the ball high looking for a receiver to his left who is covered. Seeing pressure, coming directly at him, he drops the ball to his side – because he was becoming a runner. So the rule only applies “during or just after” a pass attempt.

    Except he dropped the passing arm. You can’t throw the ball with your arm at your side He was making himself a runner now. Watch the replay. The referee who threw the flag was blocked from the line of vision to see him dropping his arm to become a runner. That referee thought Brees was still passing – and it happens quick but is clear on the replay.

    The other issue, the language clearly provides discretion to the official “in the Referee’s judgment, are unwarranted by the circumstances of the play will be called as fouls.” I think it would be difficult to argue that Brooks’ hit was unwarranted. Ahmad Books is 6’3″, Drew Brees is 6’0″ – very small for a QB. Was he to chase Brees on his knees?

    Regardless, this is not an automatic penalty – this is a discretionary call by the official – however the official reported the play as being mandatory:

    The referee stated “personal foul, contact with the neck of the QB #55.”

    I think the ref didn’t know what he was doing – and I think you are being overly simplistic in your analysis. The rule book does not provide for an automatic penalty any time a QB gets hit in the neck. Period.

  38. goldrush36 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:44 PM

    Call was correct per rule, but the rule is also a complete joke. Win some lose some

  39. davidwilliams209 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:45 PM

    Well if that’s the case if u watch everytime kaps tackled they run their hands across his head or face we should have atleast 100 yards worth of penalty yards on the field . The robbed us all game

  40. charger383 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:45 PM

    I do not like this rule

  41. qdog112 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:46 PM

    Horrible call. The tackler hit the top of the breast plate of the shoulder pads. Horrible call.

  42. derakbrady says: Nov 17, 2013 8:47 PM

    What did 9er fans say when Piere Thomas was knocked out? Too bad. Rules are rules. I guess you all would say it was ok that they ignored the fair catch. Right? You made 17 points on Saint mistakes. Not an offensive win! I’m sorry I am a Saints fan and he looked like he was clothes lined. Oh sure his bent elbow went over the shoulder pad. why worry about horse collar calls? Right? You all whine now but if it were Kap you would all be up at arms. Defensive players need to know how to hit in a good game. So with that said next time hit the MIDDLE of the body. So please stop crying like babies!!!! You are all about excuses!!!

  43. jason9696 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:49 PM

    The only reason he hit him in the neck is because Drew Brees is a midget QB. Too bad he got up.

  44. derakbrady says: Nov 17, 2013 8:49 PM

    Well if that’s the case if u watch everytime kaps tackled they run their hands across his head or face we should have atleast 100 yards worth of penalty yards on the field . The robbed us all game

    OMG!!!!! What a cry baby!

  45. handsomehawk says: Nov 17, 2013 8:49 PM

    AHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA!!!

    (Takes Breathe)

    AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

  46. superleadhead says: Nov 17, 2013 8:49 PM

    I’m starting to get over football. It just isn’t football anymore.

  47. novoodoo4409 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:50 PM

    Poor 40whiners….little jimmy hairbow lost…sniff…sniff….

    Loosahs = Niners

    Who dat, we dat

    Sincerely,
    The who dat nation

  48. ninerrich says: Nov 17, 2013 8:51 PM

    Plain and simple….bad call!!! It’s hilarious to me that the nfl needs to rush out and make this statement. It’s because they know it was a game changing wrong call. I am fully aware that most often it’s easy to say that had the team on the receiving end of such bad calls should have not let it get to the point that a bad call should cost them but the reality is that they did play well enough against a championship caliber team on the road that these bad calls are the difference. Just minutes prior to the call in question, kaepernick was tackled LONG after he threw threw the ball away and yet that went completely unoticed. And then the pass interference non call in the end zone against Davis that changed what should have been a first and goal into a field goal. Look at the final score and tell me that doesn’t loom large! At least the Fox crew called it for what it was. The nfl should do the same!

  49. vgraziano says: Nov 17, 2013 8:52 PM

    Saw only the last 8mins of the game when local coverage switched to it as bonus. Not a saints or Niners fan and thought totally wrong call-defender hits him in shoulder with his hand and then wraps his arm under Brees’ neck. Between that call, the play where Niners had to plead for a grounding flag and the lack of a safety on kapernick-must have been quite the officiating escapade for the other 52mins of the game….

  50. mark4steelers says: Nov 17, 2013 8:52 PM

    According to who? It’s always comical to me when the League or media try to define for everyone what everyone has seen. Let everyone make their own determination. Most people not being compensated by the NFL would say it wasn’t a good call.

  51. sbc85 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:53 PM

    All I have to say is this was the same reffing crew that Saints fans felt screwed them in New England a month ago. I also think, judging from what I’ve seen of Jim Harbaugh and Niners fans here, that if the same hit had been applied to Colin Kaepernick, they would have been totally in agreement that a flag should be thrown. Especially considering how much Harbaugh talked about QB protection in the media earlier this season. The 49ers best get over it and move on.

  52. chiadam says: Nov 17, 2013 8:54 PM

    It’s not always a matter of “choosing” whether or not to make legal contact. It’s a fast game and Brees is five feet tall.

  53. hater01 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:54 PM

    That has to be the worst call the NFL has made! The might as well put Drew in a pink tutu and call this the powder puff league, not a tackle league. What ever happened to being able to hit a man in the chest while he is HOLDING the ball? Pathetic what the NFL has become, give up and watch the only two real games left, hockey and the UFC!

  54. ambramblett says: Nov 17, 2013 8:54 PM

    gt40bear says:
    Nov 17, 2013 8:26 PM
    Bucs fans can feel you 49ers fans. We have had to put up with the untouchable midget for years. How a 6′ 4″ defender is supposed to hit a 5′ 9″ prima dona “legally” defies reality!

    He’s 6′ and your team blows.

  55. manic084 says: Nov 17, 2013 8:55 PM

    Not a fan of either team and i didnt like the call. Just another instance of the refs having too much impact on the outcome of games.

    The hit was hard but the initial contact was made on his chest, then as brees was going down the defenders arm did end up around bree’s neck area.

  56. handsomehawk says: Nov 17, 2013 8:57 PM

    Only Winna’s Git Wings..Let’s Eat!!

    Go Hawks

  57. bearwithjetpack says: Nov 17, 2013 8:58 PM

    Personal foul: tackling Drew Brees.

  58. golfore says: Nov 17, 2013 9:01 PM

    How about the pick six that was tossed into the end zone for a Frisco touchback. Ten point swing there fellas. Let the whining continue…. Lol

  59. dnice76 says: Nov 17, 2013 9:01 PM

    It’s amazing the refs miss Kaps facemask but get clear eyes to make this questionable call at a critical time! I understand they’re at home but make all calls fair! Could’ve sweared I saw the ref on the saints sidelines begging with the coaching staff to pump up the crowd lol… it’s kool, maybe they was afraid of the “saints” putting a hit out on them!! Can’t beat’em injure them if that don’t work hit the referree’s

  60. kerryc21realty says: Nov 17, 2013 9:01 PM

    Bad call, he didn’t touch his throat

  61. calicokiller49 says: Nov 17, 2013 9:04 PM

    This doesn’t get called for 80 percent of the other qbs in the league.

  62. rcknrog11 says: Nov 17, 2013 9:04 PM

    Waaaahhh!!!!!!!!!!

  63. tlmorris74 says: Nov 17, 2013 9:07 PM

    Anyone notice that the 49ers never get the calls? Bradshaw’s forward progress stopped in NFC Championship, Crabtree was not held in the Super Bowl! There was no holding on the final punt in the Super Bowl, no holding on the kickoff return TD. Brees was tackled too high, the only time they got to him all day due to unpenalized holding. So is Harbaugh doing Goodells wife or what???

  64. ninerrich says: Nov 17, 2013 9:08 PM

    Why is it that in today’s game the fans now think of themselves in such an elevated cerebral state that they choose to accept such unprofessionalism from the nfl’s officiating crew? Regardless of the team (I do not subscribe to the notion that the officials choose winners and losers) I think that the fans should demand a more accountable team of officials. I understand that the game is fast and that the field is large but until greater accountability is demanded those things will continue to be accepted excuses. No human is perfect at all times but the thing that drives a person to reach for it is incentive. When accountability is removed so is incentive.

  65. mark0226 says: Nov 17, 2013 9:09 PM

    So, when a defender clothes-lines a QB and nearly takes his head off, that is a good hit? And for good measure, he wraps his arms around Brees’ neck to finish the tackle. Look at the USA Today graphics.

    For those that say the refs are deciding games, that is incorrect. The refs have to call the games the way they see them. They can’t just “let them play” when the players are violating the rules.

    In this case, it was Brooks that hit Brees in the “head or neck area,” not the officials. If he lowers his target, then it is not an illegal hit and the refs don’t call it. The player initiated the action, not the refs. Even if you think it was a bad call, you must admit that the hit was “near the head or neck area,” right? While contact may have been initiated on the shoulder, his bicep hit Brees in the neck, therefore, it was near the neck area.

  66. maxpowr says: Nov 17, 2013 9:09 PM

    Good call? Bad call?? I could care less! Saints won, 9ers lost..in the end, that’s all that matters !!

  67. techtzp says: Nov 17, 2013 9:10 PM

    One call does not a game make… Move on with your life.

  68. olmankev says: Nov 17, 2013 9:18 PM

    9ers need to open that play book.

  69. ninerrich says: Nov 17, 2013 9:18 PM

    techtzp…
    one call DID a game make today!
    But thank you for your attempt at being above the conversation!

  70. derakbrady says: Nov 17, 2013 9:22 PM

    Buc fans 2-8. Good win today. You need to remove your blinders. Any team that had a hit on any of their players esp QB would say the same. Rule is simple. Just don’t do it! But yet it’s okay to plead for a flag when the QB is 10 yd out of the box. I think 9er fans need to realize they didn’t play well and lost. End of story

  71. saintswin says: Nov 17, 2013 9:22 PM

    Quite whining about one play this game should not of even been this close. The Saints defense held KAPERJACK and your offense to 189 yards total.

  72. larsgints says: Nov 17, 2013 9:25 PM

    Not a fan of either team, although I do think Pete Carroll is a jerk, but after seeing today’s call I have to say that anyone who thought that was a good call should be embarrassed along with the NSL (National Sissy League).
    The league has regressed to one where games are decided by fat balding men in stripped shirts. Instead of fine tuned athletes doing there job. Sorry if Bree’s is too short.

    The bet should be how many years until they’re playing flag football.

    Absolutely appalling.

  73. scmems07 says: Nov 17, 2013 9:28 PM

    Kaepernick is terrible, that is all.

  74. ilovefoolsball says: Nov 17, 2013 9:40 PM

    Please tell me who has it better than the 49ers for I do not know.

  75. offthelows says: Nov 17, 2013 9:41 PM

    reminded me of the Falcons 1 TD drive last weekend. Matt Ryan was hit too low, 15 yard flag, too high, 15 yard flag… I don’t like the idea of a QB target zone deciding a game, but the league knows people are more likely to tune in if the starting QB is healthy, as Rodgers vs Cutler suddenly becomes Who vs Who.

    If Brees is a 6’5″ QB, that was a legal hit

  76. sf49ers4 says: Nov 17, 2013 9:43 PM

    Bad call. Watch the replay and see his arm hits all jersey; doesn’t hit the head or neck

  77. mark0226 says: Nov 17, 2013 9:45 PM

    Ninerrich, the call did not result in any points. The Saints were still trailing 20-17. The call gave the Saints the ball on the 30 yard line, which would be a 53 yard FG. Not automatic. But the 49’ers gave up 6 yards, making it a 47 yarder to tie the game. And then, the 49’ers received the ball with 2:06 remaining, giving Kap an opportunity to be the hero and drive down the field for the game winning score. Instead, they went three and out and punted back to the Saints. The vaunted 49’ers defense then allowed Drew Brees to be the hero and drive his team down the field for the winning score.

    In other words, you still had an opportunity to win the game, but you didn’t execute. The refs did not decide the game. it was the players’ lack of execution when the game was on the line.

  78. xrabs808x says: Nov 17, 2013 9:51 PM

    who gott it better not you crying 9ers…lol…

  79. mancave001 says: Nov 17, 2013 9:56 PM

    Crap call.

    -Eagles fan

  80. robseahawksfan says: Nov 17, 2013 9:57 PM

    thereisfootballwestofjersey says:
    Nov 17, 2013 8:08 PM

    Sure would be nice if the Niners had the Hawks schedule full of cupcakes!
    *********

    Which included the Niners, the biggest cupcake of them all!

  81. pgilbert2013 says: Nov 17, 2013 9:57 PM

    Saintswin, I was in a sports bar in Austin with 90 percent Saints fans and only a handful of 49ers fans… Man, your fan base was jumping in our faces calling the 49ers a bunch of fairies… Keeping it classy.

    Well to make a long story short, you guys came up a bit short… Wow, talk about a whinny bunch of fans.

    I guess no fan base is exempt from being pissed off when you believe the game was stolen from you.

    P.S. I’m not sure, but I think you meant “quit”

  82. thebirdofprey2 says: Nov 17, 2013 10:00 PM

    They aren’t called the Forty Whiners for nothing. All starts with the classless coach, players follow and taken to a new level by their fans.

    Why did Kaepernick not pass for more than 130 yards this game??? I guess its better than 46 net passing yards from the week before. Chad Henne put up 255 this weekend, must be the weapons.

  83. agentzero321 says: Nov 17, 2013 10:06 PM

    … and this article is “absolutely wrong.” Ahmad Brooks wasn’t flagged for taking Brees down by the neck. He was flagged for not yanking on the flag hanging from his belt.

    Ten years ago, that would have been a celebrated hit

  84. seahawkgary says: Nov 17, 2013 10:07 PM

    thereisfootballwestofjersey …. Seahawk’s have a softer schedule? Really!
    Hawks 40Whiners
    Carolina GB
    40whiners Seahawks
    Jags Colts
    Hou St L
    Colts Hou
    Tenn Ari
    Ari Tenn
    St L Jags
    TB Bye
    Atl Car
    Minn NO
    Bye Washington
    NO St L
    40whiners Seahawks
    NY G TB
    Ari Atl
    St L Ari
    Sea…MIN and Giants are 6/14
    whiners ….Wash and GB are 8/12
    is that your BIG difference?

  85. muckhappy says: Nov 17, 2013 10:13 PM

    Yes bird of prey u have a class act in pete caroll. Wait didnt he leave usc after a number of violations?

  86. lesro89 says: Nov 17, 2013 10:14 PM

    The refs called, blow to the neck of the quarterback, unnecessary roughness.

    How is that the “correct call”? when there was no blow to the neck of Brees???

  87. florioblowsssss says: Nov 17, 2013 10:15 PM

    Close call to me but I’m not surprised Florio is telling us unequivocally how wrong we would be to disagree.

  88. lesro89 says: Nov 17, 2013 10:16 PM

    The rules prohibit forcible contact with the head OR neck area. Brooks hit Brees in the neck.

    BUT, Brook’s blow was to Brees’ chest.

  89. Youknowimright says: Nov 17, 2013 10:16 PM

    Just end the debate over the call and give these guys flags to wear already. Ridiculous the direction the nfl is going. The NCFL is upon us. The non contact football league. I get the concussion thing but they are big boys. They know what they are getting in to.

  90. lemdew69 says: Nov 17, 2013 10:17 PM

    Nothing to see here. Florio reports it so it must be true. Whatever your source is needs to take the head out of there ….. and look. You can clearly see in the replay that he does not touch his neck. The NFL is just trying to nip it in the butt before it turns into the Seattle/Packers game when the replacement refs couldn’t get it right. Ridiculous.

  91. seahawkgoat says: Nov 17, 2013 10:34 PM

    superleadhead says:
    Nov 17, 2013 8:49 PM
    I’m starting to get over football. It just isn’t football anymore.

    _______________

    Yet, here you are…posting on a rather innocuous blog thread. You’re not going anywhere. None of us are. That’s what sucks – the NFL isn’t worried about sissifying the league, because they have us addicted.

  92. sonoco says: Nov 17, 2013 10:42 PM

    It is what it is. A referee interjecting himself into the game at the perfect time. On to Washington. I guess.

  93. deepthreat88 says: Nov 17, 2013 10:52 PM

    It was a weak call. He hit him in the chest and it rolled up. Either way, the Niners have problems in their offense which make them a second tier team right now. They got their asses kicked tonight, despite a strong defensive performance.

    The Niners had Boldin, Vernon, Mario, Gore all playing at same time and couldn’t move the ball. Getting Crab back won’t change anything. There is a qb and OC issue. And it’s mostly Kap; he hesitates, takes sacks when he should run, and isn’t finding the open receivers.

    I’m a die hard Niner fan, but gotta call it like I see it.

  94. ninerrich says: Nov 17, 2013 10:53 PM

    mark0226…..
    While your play by play recital if the game is nice and all….you completely miss the point! Niners were up and could likely have scored or at a minimum controlled the clock. It was a monumental game changing bad call! Period! It doesn’t matter now. It’s in the books. But Niner fans have every right to be upset. So please…all of you folks acting as if you are above such ranting, just keep your sermons in mind when it is your team that’s involved.

  95. nfl13 says: Nov 17, 2013 11:04 PM

    As a saints fan I may be a little biased but everyone needs to stop complaining about one controversial play changing the game. Was it the right call, maybe not. But how do you know they would have actually run the clock out against the saints. Also if we are going to say that one play cost the 49ers the game, then we need to mention the other plays that would have “changed the game”: 1) if Cory white doesn’t fumble and gets pick-6 to make it a 21-10 lead, game over. 2) if frank gore catches the pass he dropped that would have been a TD, 49ers win. 3) if the saints convert the 4th down, they win. I have a big list and can keep going. There are plays every game that can change the course of a game. That’s football, it happens.

  96. allday38 says: Nov 17, 2013 11:13 PM

    @theresfootballwestofjersey…
    Heard that new jam yet?
    “What does the Hawk Say” winwinwinwinwinwin

    Basically the sane schedule buddy!
    Go Hawks!!

  97. nfl13 says: Nov 17, 2013 11:20 PM

    I’m a saints fan. I’m happy they won. Was it the right call, maybe not. Had the call went there way, they would have still had to run out the clock. Could they have done it, idk. What I do know is that the hit in REAL TIME looked bad and that’s why it got flagged. The call can go either way. Had the 49ers won, I could cry and whine over the Cory white call. Was it the wrong call, maybe not but once again in real time it could have gone either way. I know those plays were far apart, but had the white call gone the saints way it would have been a 21-10 lead. The 49ers were not coming back from that in the dome

  98. sonoco says: Nov 17, 2013 11:22 PM

    It was a didn’t have to be call that is just another short shelf-life national story highlighting the slow march towards a partial contact 7 on 7 passing league. If that call doesn’t get made NOBODY or at least VERY FEW would talking about how the Saints got jobbed.

  99. Bob says: Nov 17, 2013 11:29 PM

    “Anyone notice that the 49ers never get the calls? Bradshaw’s forward progress stopped in NFC Championship, Crabtree was not held in the Super Bowl! There was no holding on the final punt in the Super Bowl, no holding on the kickoff return TD. Brees was tackled too high, the only time they got to him all day due to unpenalized holding. So is Harbaugh doing Goodells wife or what???”

    Please. You got the calls for almost 20 years when DeBartolo was routinely contributing extra to the officials’ pension fund.

    You couldn’t breathe on Montana without getting flagged, and I think I saw the 49ers get 2 holding calls on them in about a 20-year period. Just shut up.

  100. mark0226 says: Nov 17, 2013 11:32 PM

    I don’t think they will allow links here, but search for USA TODAY For the Win, article titled Watch Ahmad Brooks’ controversial hit on Drew Brees. During the hit, Drew Brees’ chin rests on Ahmad Brooks’ bicep. How is that NOT “near the neck area” as the rule states?

    If you don’t like the rule, fine, I get it, but I don’t know how anyone can state that the hit was nowhere near his neck. In fact, Brooks’ shoulder pad hits Brees’ helmet. The rule is clear. It was the right call. Change the rule if you don’t like it.

  101. Bob says: Nov 17, 2013 11:32 PM

    ninerrich says:
    Nov 17, 2013 9:18 PM
    techtzp…
    one call DID a game make today!
    But thank you for your attempt at being above the conversation!

    One call never makes a game. You had 59 other minutes to make plays. You had 14 points gift-wrapped to you on turnovers, and another possible 7 not go against the 49ers because of a fumble on a near-pick six.

    The game should have been over in the third quarter. Deal with it.

  102. rusty5351 says: Nov 17, 2013 11:36 PM

    The call against brooks was incorrect if you watch the play carefully you see that his contact was to the chest and it was forcible contact but then his arm slid up a little to the neck but was not forcible. And the no call on map was correct for the fact the qb was outside of the tackle box which is what is considered the pocket. Not hash to has like some think. The hash is only marking the furthest point the ball can be placed to start the play. Also hardbaugh was not arguing about the hits to qbs he was stating that its bs that 2 people in the same position are treated differently penalty wise. My only question is when is the afl coming back..I’m getting sick of seeing a contact sport becoming two hand touch because people don’t want to get hurt…if you don’t like being hit then don’t play football..let the players play the way the game is meant to be played not baby them.

  103. peezyfresh1 says: Nov 17, 2013 11:40 PM

    Im a seahawks fan and that call was one of the dumbest calls I’ve ever seen especially when he made such a great athletic play, and pretty much would have won the game for them.. how so you hit a quaterback rhese days? Makes no sense.. and he hir brees in the top of his chest then his aem barely slipped to his neck….a game should never be decided by refs, I feel the Niners won that game or had a extrwmely high probability of winning and they were robbed.. such a great play for nothing!!!

  104. uncletuna says: Nov 17, 2013 11:41 PM

    Maybe if Drew and Tom Condon wouldn’t have been so ****ing greedy, the Saints would’ve had cap room to keep Nicks and/or Bushrod…

    Brees is getting paid, but he won’t survive the contract life with hits like that…

  105. jakafett says: Nov 17, 2013 11:52 PM

    These are the kind of plays that will knock the nfl off its perch of the sports world. The over related, way too wordy rules have made the game like a athletic version of political correctness. No excuse overall, niners made some dumb mistakes and the saints played tough. But with this call, it’s starting to make this football fanatic become less and less fanatical.

  106. sirblitzalot15 says: Nov 18, 2013 12:20 AM

    9ers are garbage!!! Saints defense shut them down all game. Our offense had more rushing yards then them and we a pass first team. Frank Gore stayed on his back so much courtesy of Hicks, he should know him personally now. Should have been thankful we even let yall hang around that long. Hey 9er fans, u want a little cheese with your whine?

  107. rugdaniels says: Nov 18, 2013 12:23 AM

    I think the hit was legal but borderline. Given the speed at which the game is played I can’t really blame the official for throwing the flag there. The league obviously wants their officials to err on the side of the offensive players.

  108. scmems07 says: Nov 18, 2013 12:48 AM

    thereisfootballwestofjersey …. Seahawk’s have a softer schedule? Really!
    Hawks 40Whiners
    Carolina GB
    40whiners Seahawks
    Jags Colts
    Hou St L
    Colts Hou
    Tenn Ari
    Ari Tenn
    St L Jags
    TB Bye
    Atl Car
    Minn NO
    Bye Washington
    NO St L
    40whiners Seahawks
    NY G TB
    Ari Atl
    St L Ari
    Sea…MIN and Giants are 6/14
    whiners ….Wash and GB are 8/12
    is that your BIG difference?

    The two easiest schedule in the nfl.

  109. seahawksbmx says: Nov 18, 2013 12:52 AM

    Seahawks fan here obviously and while I certainly don’t mind seeing the ‘Niners lose, this was a crap call and if it was correct, then it’s a crap rule. If Brooks is fined $15K for this as he’ll likely be, it’s thievery by Goodell and his mob – just like it was when the Hawks’ Michael Bennett was flagged & fined for his seemingly legit sack of Matt Ryan last week. Sickening what they’re doing to this once-great game.

  110. hess97 says: Nov 18, 2013 2:35 AM

    The league needs to be more clear about this rule…like incorporate a skirt or something for the specific quarterbacks that you are not allowed to hit in the shoulder or chest.

  111. saintswillwin says: Nov 18, 2013 2:50 AM

    Reading the comments from obvious Saints haters, I understand how the POS in the White House got there AND re-elected!!

    If the Saints hadn’t gift wrapped 17 points for the 40-whiners, they would have gotten blown out in this one; they did absolutely nothing in this game.

  112. genericuser8888 says: Nov 18, 2013 3:30 AM

    The hit started out legal, pads first. Then, if you watch the follow through, his bicep clothes-lines Brees’ neck. Defenders Goya keep those hits legal the whole way through. Good call.

    There are plenty if pictures around if you want to go see what I’m saying. The hit looks fine at first until momentum carries his bicep into the throat.

  113. agentfreak82 says: Nov 18, 2013 4:09 AM

    Was this “League Source” Drew Brees? I hope the AINTS aren’t given any more games this year. Hate to see them win another super bowl they don’t deserve.

  114. bigguy54 says: Nov 18, 2013 5:05 AM

    Niner Fans are just upset, because they will have to sit and look at pictures of their dusty old rings when the Cardinals make the playoffs over them. Panic is running rampant in Whiner Nation, because the NFC West is their Division, and it is not fair when they lose it. Someone must have stolen it from them, because they have the best team in the Universe.

    I only saw a little bit of the game, but did Kapperdink fold like a cheap lawn chair when things got tough? He usually does, especially when it is noisy. I heard he had to wear depends to Seattle because he loses all bowel control he gets so scared.

    About the call, if the contact started on the shoulder pads, and moved to the neck, then it is contact around the neck. Many 49’er fans said that happened, but I don’t know. I am not a fan of the rules, the Hawks get their fair share of them because they are so aggressive. It is the world we live in, so the players need to adjust.

  115. coloradocowboy says: Nov 18, 2013 5:12 AM

    I’m a Dallas fan and as such I can’t stand the 49ers, but this call was 100% wrong.

    Last week I saw a “Horse-collar” tackle where the defender’s hand was over the top of the shoulder pad. Today, I saw a hit to the neck that was actually a hit to the shoulder pad.

    Both calls were wrong and the Saints benefited from both calls. I am left to assume that shoulder pads are now untouchable.

    Did.

    Not.

    Hit.

    The.

    Neck.

  116. bloodysot says: Nov 18, 2013 7:53 AM

    Bad call, may as well give him a red jersey! I hate both these teams, but San Fran got the shaft, so to speak. It was a good hit. Seems that the officials missed a hold in the end zone as San Fran was going in to score, but the saints fans aren’t going to admit that one.

    Did this lose the game, no, shouldn’t have hit the guy after the fair catch! This is spot mastic of what’s wrong with the game…take something like “don’t hit the QB in the head” and remove the last three words

  117. vieuxcarrechicago says: Nov 18, 2013 8:36 AM

    I have seen this hit over and over again. Especially the gifs showing the ‘shoulder pads’ getting hit first. Just because the pads are hit first doesn’t mean it’s now legal to hit the neck… Or for that matter grab the helmet on the follow through. Had that been Junior Gallette pulling a Butkus on Kaepernick, I’m sure Saints fans would be questioning football’s toughness. What many should be asking is… This deep into the season … And with all of the ‘other’ controversial penalties… What was Brooks thinking? Just because a QB is ‘short’ doesn’t mean the rules are ignored.

  118. sb44champs says: Nov 18, 2013 8:50 AM

    Yeah whiners, try winnin when the other team spots you 17 points…. Saints are simply > 9ers

  119. doubleogator says: Nov 18, 2013 9:24 AM

    If you people didn’t see Brees get clothes-lined then you need your eyes examined…I would also bet 99% of the fans knocking Brees and calling him a midget would just love to have that midget quarterbacking your team…

  120. aces79 says: Nov 18, 2013 9:26 AM

    People are blind here if the is the correct call look at the video there is no that Brees got hit in the neck or head that call was wrong it was a clean sack fumble

  121. larsgints says: Nov 18, 2013 9:47 AM

    Peezyfresh1
    Finally a Seahawks fan with class.
    I watched SC under Carroll for years trash talk and be in your face. Now I see the Hawks are acting the same and most of their fans follow suit.
    Here’s to you peezyfresh1. A class act

  122. jonblaze321 says: Nov 18, 2013 9:55 AM

    Just because Brees was drooling blood doesnt mean it was an illeagal hit! If you look at the replay, you see Brooks hit him LEGALLY across the chest. The force caused his facemask to smash him in the face, causing his little bloody lip. Florio is a complete idiot. People like him are reason the game is changing, (for the worse). If you ask any player, they all say hit me high, dont go at my knees or legs. So Brooks is moving at full speed, around a 330 lb lineman who is drapped over him and suppose to make a play on a guy who is 5’10 but cant go to high or to low. His “legal” target zone went to 2 feet. Sad to say, but Brandon Meriweather said it right. Defensive players are going to have to start ending peoples careers to change the rules.

  123. citizenstrange says: Nov 18, 2013 10:08 AM

    That would never ever even once in a million times draw a flag if it was done to Roethlisberger.

    Ngata clubs Roethlisberger in the face and pulverizes his nose and no flag, no fine, no foul. The refs are an absolute joke unless they start being consistent.

  124. starderup says: Nov 18, 2013 10:33 AM

    The photograph of the tackle shows zero contact with brees’ neck. Yeah, and Oswald acted alone, too.
    Re freggin diculous.

  125. tovar176 says: Nov 18, 2013 10:55 AM

    Stupid call, the 9ers still should of won, but still a stupid call. If I correctly remember the saints play for the NFL, and your quarterback should be the highest paid on the team, because he is going to need that money later to pay for medical expenses…I love the Cowboys, but I do not give a rats ass if Troy Aikman can’t remember the 93 season, bottom line they get paid to get hit…They did sign a contract with the NFL not the Boy Scouts…

  126. TheCommonDominator says: Nov 18, 2013 11:19 AM

    While I don’t agree with the way QBs are protected now, it was obvious Brees got yanked even though Brooks’ arm did hit in chest and rise up.

    With that said you could have easily called a Safety when Kaepernick intentionally grounded the ball in the end zone but that was questionable too.

    What about when Saints TE Hill missed a pass by sidelines and Whitner hit him in helmet with shoulder…isn’t that defenseless receiver?

    The NFL is horrible with its decision on call or non calls. What should happen is if a call is questionable the league should do like hockey and go to NFL main office for a higher up official to judge one way or another. Games are long enough that these calls need to be looked at further.

    and GO SAINTS

  127. seahawkgoat says: Nov 18, 2013 11:58 AM

    larsgints says:
    Nov 18, 2013 9:47 AM
    Peezyfresh1
    Finally a Seahawks fan with class.
    I watched SC under Carroll for years trash talk and be in your face. Now I see the Hawks are acting the same and most of their fans follow suit.
    Here’s to you peezyfresh1. A class act

    ___________________

    Pete Carroll doesn’t talk trash at all. He’s energetic, he flies all over the place, but show me ONE time where he has actually talked trash?

    Quit being a phony goodie good fan, and practice FANDOM, ya squid

  128. alphabeta49er says: Nov 18, 2013 12:01 PM

    When protecting the most entertaining players is higher priority than winning and losing, you’ve crossed the line into WWF territory. I’m not sure I can hang with this anymore. Which is sad because the NFL has been a such a pleasurable distraction for me all these years.

  129. faninninerland says: Nov 18, 2013 12:06 PM

    i guess that was coincidental mouth blood all over brees’ teeth or maybe his tuberculosis was just actin up.

  130. pmars64 says: Nov 18, 2013 12:13 PM

    Two things watching that replay over and over again. First, Brooks didn’t have to hit him high. He had two free steps to decide how to hit Brees. He could have gone lower. And, second, once Brooks hit Brees, he continued his motion through Brees neck and even got his facemask and helmet a bit, too. Maybe it’s a judgment call by the refs, but Brooks could have made a different decision than to hit Brees high.

  131. dirtydrew says: Nov 18, 2013 12:52 PM

    It was a bad call. But to the Seahawks fans with all their tough talk, wait until the Super Bowl when a bad call decides the game against you…oh wait…it already happened. Enjoy your empty trophy case. Your fans suck. You act like your new to winning. The sign of a loser.

  132. lanflfan says: Nov 18, 2013 1:25 PM

    To all of you whining about Brooks’ hit on Brees: I’d like to see you get hit by Brooks in your neck area then tell me your opinion. Brooks knows how and where to hit the QB and chose to hit high. His team paid the price. A hard, legal hit to Brees’ chest with Brooks’ shoulder pad would have likely caused that fumble and been completely clean. Play smart not like a hooligan.

  133. niners32 says: Nov 18, 2013 1:41 PM

    There was a very similar hit on kap and i don’t know any niners fan that complained. This was a terrible call all they way why don’t we just have actuall midgets playing because no matter what it’s unnecciary roughness every single time they get hit.

  134. Sammy Young says: Nov 18, 2013 2:38 PM

    Ya’ll are missing the point….

    The NFL is a corporate business, one of the top businesses in the country, worth Billions of dollars annually.

    Owners, who are also Millionaires, pay big bucks for the best talent their money can buy to try to win a Super Bowl (obvious exception being Jerry Jones who is an idiot with a big wallet).

    Because the owners are Millionaires because they know a thing or two about how to run a business, want to protect their most precious assets. In this case, those assets are QBs.

    So, the owners and the NFL work together to protect those assets, the QBs, and make rules to make them practically untouchable… and give them time, I am sure that’s coming next!

  135. killitandeatit says: Nov 18, 2013 4:03 PM

    I totally agree that the quarterback must be protected. The problem is that some qb’s are basically midget like and duck when they see a hit coming. The best and safest solution would be to establish a minimum height rule. You know,like a ride at the amusement park. Safety first and the game second. Minimum height ? 6 feet is a nice round number.

  136. wingdavis31 says: Nov 18, 2013 4:28 PM

    Miners didn’t lose cause of ref was cause of poor execution on offense. Yes the call could’ve went either way and yes the refs did miss a call against saints when they grabbed kapernick face mask, but at end of day a bad play hitting player after a fair catch call and kapernick running out of bounds is what really cost them the game

  137. geodude11 says: Nov 18, 2013 5:28 PM

    I think you ladies have more an issue with following the rules. Stupid is not a requirement of playing football. Following the rules is for a few.

  138. travh20 says: Nov 18, 2013 5:55 PM

    So you cant hit below the waist, cant hit in the “neck area”, or I guess from the top of the numbers up. What does that leave?

  139. mommajoyce06 says: Nov 18, 2013 7:05 PM

    No….if brees was 1 inch taller, we would be tied with the cardinals!!!!

  140. kozmo48 says: Nov 18, 2013 7:47 PM

    Absolutely correct? Ok, maybe by the book. Either way, this is BAD. This is really really bad. Ray Lewis offered to pay half the fine, IF he gets fined. Disclosure, I’m a lions fan. How else was he supposed to hit him? He wrapped him up, I speculate that he swatted for the ball as he tackled for a possible fumble, I speculate further that he was careful NOT to make an illegal hit, textbook awesome play by brooks, the play proves that he is a smart, well coached player. End result, flag, niners lose. What a joke, a disgrace, shame shame shame NFL. I’m watching the replay, it looks like brooks let up as Brees was going down. NFL I (a fan) am waiting for a public apology, Brooks deserves a public apology and the niners. This….. Is……. Bad…….. My brain is hurting trying to figure out how else he was supposed to pursue Brees. Flag football… Joke!!!

  141. thejimthorpejamsession says: Nov 18, 2013 8:45 PM

    I entirely disagree. As much as I appreciate and agree with your take on things 99% of the time Mr. Florio, your take here is wrong.

    Please read on for why. Please.

    The hit was to his pads on his chest and sternum. If the hit hits Brees’ pads, there’s no way it’s touching his neck at its inception, which was likely to have been Brooks’ intention; a legal hit.

    Brees was both short in stature and began falling upon contact, while Brooks was not. Brooks did not fall to the ground with Brees but followed through on his stride.

    The follow through of Brooks’ motion, coupled with Brees’ lack of height and his movement turning into a fall brought the contact into one that only arguably touched Brees’ facemask and slightly adjusted his head’s position.

    I most certainly did not see his neck actually touched.

    So you could attribute this “foul” as equally to Brees for not having kept standing. But no one’s saying that.

    If we are willing to overlook Brees’ role in the contact that developed, as a natural motion that did not intend to create or facilitate a foul, then we should equally exonerate Brooks for the same cause.

    So this may be “by the book” but the book STINKS.

    When it decides the outcome of a significant game, like “The Tuck Rule” it STINKS.

  142. realitycheckbaby says: Nov 18, 2013 9:00 PM

    dirtydrew says: Nov 18, 2013 12:52 PM

    It was a bad call. But to the Seahawks fans with all their tough talk, wait until the Super Bowl when a bad call decides the game against you…oh wait…it already happened. Enjoy your empty trophy case. Your fans suck. You act like your new to winning. The sign of a loser.
    ========================

    Actually it was many bad calls in the SB.

  143. wclark22 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:13 AM

    It’s turning into flag football. If you ask Dick Butkus, Mean Joe Greene, Jim Brown and any other REAL football player Brees fumbled and the Saints lost.

  144. kimbo71006 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:49 AM

    Clearly you people are high, prejudiced against the Saints, 49ers fans or all of the above.

    I just watched the video renactment (I also watched the game), and quite a few of you need to retake an anatomy class if you think he hit him on the chest and/or collarbone. He clear hits him in the neck with his upper arm–absolutely no doubt about it from the video.

    When your arm is on someone’s neck and they are standing, its also going to rest on their upper chest (impossible not to), but the hit clearly was to the neck.

    Go watch the video again people…don’t look at a photograph, watch the close-up video–the evidence does not lie…he clotheslined Brees – its really amazing that Brees did not come away with a neck injury from that hit if you see the force of it and the way his head snapped.

  145. sb44champs says: Nov 19, 2013 3:05 PM

    its really amazing that Brees did not come away with a neck injury from that hit if you see the force of it and the way his head snapped.
    ==============================
    That’s because Brees is a FREAK’N SOLDIER!!!

  146. wclark22 says: Nov 19, 2013 10:34 PM

    UPDATE!!!! THe NFL is now going by the NFFL. The National Flag Football League.

    I played football. I spit up blood and didn’t look around for a yellow flag. I got up and got ready for the next play.

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