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Belichick: If you have questions about the call, talk to the league

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Patriots coach Bill Belichick spoke with reporters on a conference call this morning, and he was in no mood to discuss the controversial ending to Monday night’s loss in Carolina.

Belichick said at the outset of the conference call that he and New England’s players and coaches weren’t going to focus on the officiating after a pass interference flag in the end zone on the last play was picked up.

“I don’t really have any comment about today the officiating or any of those calls,” Belichick said. “If you have any questions on that, you can talk to the league office, the officiating department, let them give their explanation on them. It’s not really our job to call the games, it’s to play it and coach it. There are calls they make, and those are the ones we live with. We can’t let that affect what we’re doing.”

When asked about referee Clete Blakeman’s explanation that the officials waved off the flag because Rob Gronkowski couldn’t catch the ball, Belichick again declined to discuss it.

“That’s what I just said, I don’t really have any other comment on that,” Belichick said. “Whatever the officials think is the only thing that matters. It doesn’t matter what any of us think. They’re the ones who make the calls, so it’s their explanation, their judgment that we all have to abide by.”

Belichick said his team needs to turn its focus to Sunday’s game against the Broncos.

“We’ve got to turn the page here quickly and turn to Denver,” Belichick said. “Move on to Denver, have another good week of preparation, get ready to go next week.”

Belichick’s mantra to his team is always, “Do your job.” He doesn’t want anyone focusing on the referee not doing his job.

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  1. cursedvikings1998 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:42 PM

    Okay so there are a lot people here who are saying the ball wasn’t catchable.

    Um, no, the ball was catchable. If Brady had thrown the ball 20 yards over Gronk’s head then fine. But it was in the vicinity. Kuechly was giving Gronk a big ole bear hug. That’s either PI or faceguarding.

    Another example – often time PI is called on the complete other side of the field from where the ball is actually thrown. PI is PI is PI. I really think the refs screwed up here. Clete Blakeman has had a stellar, non-controversial career up until now, but this was really really bad.

  2. thestrategyexpert says: Nov 19, 2013 12:42 PM

    The league isn’t going to take my phone call Bill. I have over 1,000 complaints about the rulebook and the officiating over the years and they haven’t listened to me yet. Why would they start now? I’m not talking to them.

    So how is Bill going to coach his team on how to play defense and run routes if he doesn’t address this play with his team and breakdown what happened? He’s not going to talk about it at all? If I was the HC I would be spending a TON of time breaking down this play with the public AND with my players so that at least all of us on the team can be on the same page, even if nobody else is.

    Bill has just shown again that he’s not a good leader as a Head Coach. This is a weak response and lack of commentary from him and I find it to be rather peculiar and moreso just insufficient and not good enough. Do your job Bill. Even if you feel the NFL doesn’t do theirs, that doesn’t mean you still don’t have a job and responsibilities to adhere to.

  3. bigpoppyuno says: Nov 19, 2013 12:43 PM

    It was a bad no call period. At the very least, it was illegal contact after 5 yards, holding and pass interference. I don’t have a skin in this game. I couldn’t care less about either of these two teams but the non call was horrible. Why can’t they just say that the wrong call was made by picking up the flag and move on.

  4. idealisticapathetic says: Nov 19, 2013 12:43 PM

    NFL Rules – Chapter 236 Section 2 : On the final play of a game, a defensive player may wrap his arms around an offensive player and push him away from the play – so long as the home team and underdog is the beneficiary of said play.

  5. terripet says: Nov 19, 2013 12:45 PM

    Cheater’s never win

  6. cursedvikings1998 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:45 PM

    Btw, getting back to the Niners/Saints game which everyone here is still kvetching about, Mike Pereira said the Ahmad Brooks hit was “clearly a foul.”

    I trust Pereira over the whining 49er fan base.

  7. jetsjetsjetsnow says: Nov 19, 2013 12:45 PM

    Probably the most sensible thing Bellyache has ever said….

    “Officials are running roughshod over the integrity of the sport” would have been another option….

  8. GenXJay says: Nov 19, 2013 12:46 PM

    “We’ve got to turn the page here quickly and turn to Denver,” Belichick said. “Move on to Denver…”

    sounds like the pats overlooked the Panthers.

  9. forsbergler says: Nov 19, 2013 12:46 PM

    After this weeks game, Pats might be lucky to get 1 game in foxboro in the Post season. Which they will most likely lose to the Chiefs as they slip to the 4th sead in the AFC.

  10. Chuck Norris says: Nov 19, 2013 12:48 PM

    I said it before, the Pats have themselves to blame for allowing the Officials the ability to affect the outcome. If Ridley doesnt fumble, it is a different outcome. If they dont let Carolina convert 3rd and long 85% of the time, it is a different outcome.

    That being said, how was it not a penalty??? The ref threw a flag because there was contact. So at the least it was a defensive hold, or an illegal contact situation. The idea that it wasnt a penalty “because the player wasnt able to come back to the ball” is complete and total BS. Every week you see a receiver deep down field, try to come back for an under thrown ball, and the defensive back (unaware it was under thrown) runs into him, preventing him from coming back to the ball. That is called every single time. So basically the NFL is saying, if you prevent a player from coming back toward an under thrown ball, it isnt a penalty…

  11. CKL says: Nov 19, 2013 12:48 PM

    BB doesn’t complain to the media about anything yet somehow he’s more hated by other teams’ fans than constant whiners like Jim Harbaugh. It’s amusing.

    As a Pats fan I am glad he isn’t letting the team become focused on this. It isn’t going to help them vs Den.

  12. 2dollarpbrs says: Nov 19, 2013 12:49 PM

    McCourty got called for defensive holding the 4th quarter on TE Olsen on a ball that was not catchable (8 feet over his head ) and it was a good call

    But the throw to Gronk was not called because it was not catchable?????????????

  13. kwickett85 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:50 PM

    Here comes the whining from Patriot fans. Expect it next week too when they lose to the Broncos.

  14. winsb31 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:50 PM

    stop your whinning Boston babies, you have got more than your fair share of supposed “bad calls”……..I think Oakland would agree with that.

  15. bullcharger says: Nov 19, 2013 12:51 PM

    Toughest game of the year coming up. Can’t focus on the past.

  16. patriotsdefense says: Nov 19, 2013 12:53 PM

    garbage

  17. patriotinvasion says: Nov 19, 2013 12:54 PM

    Beat Denver Sunday Night and all of this will be in the distant pass. Thought the Pats slugged it out pretty good on the road against a tough team. Should prepare them for a more finesse Broncos team.

  18. hairpie2 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:55 PM

    Once again, The Pats have to take the high road after a bad call.

  19. scrp2 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:55 PM

    Reminds me of the last play of the Super Bowl. That ball was not catchable. You can’t expect the Refs to put the ball on the one yard line and give you the win.

  20. rally411 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:56 PM

    Whaaa-Whaa-Whaa-Whaaaaaaaaaaa. LOL

  21. azarkhan says: Nov 19, 2013 12:57 PM

    Next Sunday’s Patriots vs. Broncos game should set a ratings record. Go Patriots!! Go Welker!!

  22. xxsweepthelegxx says: Nov 19, 2013 1:00 PM

    winsb31 says:
    Nov 19, 2013 12:50 PM
    stop your whinning Boston babies, you have got more than your fair share of supposed “bad calls”……..I think Oakland would agree with that.
    ==========
    What is/are the “bad calls” with Oakland you refer to?

    If you mean a bad rule, then I concur. But of course the Patriots write the rule books each offseason, so your argument makes complete sense.

  23. steelcurtainn says: Nov 19, 2013 1:00 PM

    Does Brady ever quit crying. The defense lost the game for you. Don’t blame the refs. Must be tough on Brady knowing he hasn’t won a superbowl in a decade.

  24. apkyletexas says: Nov 19, 2013 1:00 PM

    “He doesn’t want anyone focusing on the referee not doing his job.”

    Looked like the dude did his job just fine.

    Believe it or not, Gronk was not going to catch a ball 5 yards in front of him when his momentum was carrying him further away from it. That ball was clearly uncatchable.

    Maybe the Pats should look for a qb who can put the ball on target.

  25. metintodd says: Nov 19, 2013 1:07 PM

    I wish the refs would tell me the next time they plan to screw over the Pats so I don’t have to waste 3 hours of my life watching a game in which the fix is in. What a BS call and then to compound the mistake by not explaining anything. Looks like amateur hour is taking over at NFL games. Wish there were a way to file a protest. I’m emotionally drained after last night and I just don’t have the stomach to watch next week’s Broncos game after what happened. I’ll be boycotting it and doing something more enjoyable with my life. Life is too short to get worked up like this every week over such bogus officiating.

  26. florida76 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:08 PM

    What many Pats fans don’t understand is the idea that this play didn’t flat out cost them the game. This situation is being framed like the bogus call in the Green Bay at Seattle contest last year, a final play which truly decided the outcome.

    Had the penalty stood, all New England had was an increased chance at a win, that’s it. With the ball at the one, the Pats would have had the difficult hurdle of finding an open receiver in a congested end zone, or hoping one of their so-so RB’s gets the yard. I think Brady would have been creamed in a QB sneak attempt. Realistically, it was a 50-50 proposition.

  27. patriots123456 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:10 PM

    Bill is keeping his mouth shut because if he says anything he will get fined.

    But the League owes the fans who stayed up late watching a very exciting game an explanation to what exactly determined the final outcome.

  28. ctiggs says: Nov 19, 2013 1:10 PM

    Refs 2 – Niners and Pats 0

  29. hawkforlife says: Nov 19, 2013 1:11 PM

    I’m so sick of posters bringing up past games and calls with the “you got a gift 10 years ago so it’s OK that you got robbed this time” crap.

    It doesn’t matter what team gets robbed it’s ruining the game. Officials are terrible and this year it’s worse than ever. I don’t care about spygate, tuck rule, fail mary, any of those, it’s the past.

    A great game was ruined last night. That’s what matters and it keeps happening.

  30. Patskrieg dot com says: Nov 19, 2013 1:16 PM

    Mike Pereria, a guy who gets paid to legitimize blown calls to the public, couldn’t even bring himself to stand by it.

    Jon Gruden, the only guy in the building with a legit reason to hate the Patriots, said on live television that it was the wrong call.

    Yet somehow ESPN had an officiating expert ready to go on the mic seconds after Blakemen had made his cowardly scurry off the field incorrectly defending a bad call. SOMEONE IS LYING.

  31. idonthavethebloodyoucrave says: Nov 19, 2013 1:23 PM

    How can we be talking about all these blown calls this season when the replacement refs were fired? Makes no sense!

  32. bigcid10 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:25 PM

    don’t worry the refs will make up for it next week vs denver
    everytime the refs make a bad call they make up for on the next series so don worries they’ll’ll fix it

  33. winsb31 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:26 PM

    i want to see all these patriots fans who were whinning about the no call on the holding penality against the saints the last play of the game…..oh wait??? you werent complaining then??????

    so just stop your darn CRYING!!!

    I didnt think so….maybe your team should stop having to make a play at the end of the game and do something to win it before then.

  34. db105 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:26 PM

    patriotinvasion says:
    Nov 19, 2013 12:54 PM
    Beat Denver Sunday Night and all of this will be in the distant pass. Thought the Pats slugged it out pretty good on the road against a tough team. Should prepare them for a more finesse Broncos team.
    ———————————————————————————-
    This loss may have cost your team (the Pats) a chance at the top seed in the AFC even if the Pats beat the Broncos.

  35. fringetastic says: Nov 19, 2013 1:26 PM

    Ok, so you can’t be flagged for pass interference if the ball is uncatchable. That’s sometimes subjective, but I get it.

    What I don’t understand is why wasn’t lesser penalty of illegal downfield contact called?

  36. GrossmanDaSexCannon says: Nov 19, 2013 1:27 PM

    FFS does anyone on this site look at things objectively?

    Does anyone want to discuss that even if Gronk wasn’t being held HE WOULD’VE HAD TO FOUL ROBERT LESTER TO GET THE BALL. It wasn’t uncatchable because it was a low ball, it was uncatchable because if you were to remove Kuechly from the field completely, Gronk still overran his route, and Lester had it IN HIS HANDS. The only way he WOULDN’T HAVE CAUGHT THAT BALL is if Gronk would’ve held/fouled him. That would’ve been offensive PI and the GAME WOULD END THE SAME WAY.
    CAN WE ALL SHUT UP NOW?!

    New England is on their way out, it’s time for people to see it…

  37. no1billsfan says: Nov 19, 2013 1:27 PM

    The focus should be on what the Pats ‘didn’t do’ to win the game in the prior 59:55 minutes – not the phantom penalty at the end. Face it, they should have paid Welker, Brady is on the decline & this will be the final year of the Patriots leading the AFC East.

  38. azarkhan says: Nov 19, 2013 1:29 PM

    steelcurtainn says: Must be tough on Brady…

    Patriots 55, Steelers 31. From what I saw, it was remarkably easy.

  39. hairpie2 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:29 PM

    How many times has the “pushing” call called vs the Pats in the Jets game been called this year? Once. Enough said… phantom PI on Asante Samuel in 2005 in Denver, the missed call when the Pats TE knocked the ball out of Champ Baileys hands which should have been a touch back, the phantom “Hand to the head” in 2006 vs The Colts, the non holding call on the Tyree catch where a Giants lineman was choking and pulling Richard Seymour down from behind, the Baltimore game last year… the league screwing the Pats over for “Spygate”… im just sick of this league.

    Its also a little fishy it took 2 hrs for the refs to release a statement last night. Usually its 5-10 minutes after the game.

  40. beach305 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:30 PM

    I’m sorry but no one here as the right to criticize the officials. You ‘all gave that up when you begged the NFL to bring them back. I wanted to break the union and force the officials to have accountability because I knew that they would be no better than the replacement refs.

    YOU ASKED FOR THEM BACK, NOW LIVE WITH IT!!!!

  41. ncsportsfan says: Nov 19, 2013 1:30 PM

    The world without Patriot (Brady) apologists would be a very dull world. Let’s see…special rule for tucking? Check! Special rule for tackling QB’s due to Brady? Check! Videotaping opponents practices? Check! Dropped passes to to the sun or moon in the eyes? Check! Fumbles due to grease being put on the fb by the Panthers? Check! Please keep it up Pats fans!!! You guys are the best comedic team in the NFL….not to mention…. SO funny!! Thanks for the laughs! And yes the ball was uncatchable…I was in the front row and it was just below me. As Journey says…”Don’t stop believin'” that it was the ONLY play that counted last night!! Love them Pats fans!!!

  42. therealtruth210 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:34 PM

    xxsweepthelegxx says:
    Nov 19, 2013 1:00 PM
    winsb31 says:
    Nov 19, 2013 12:50 PM
    stop your whinning Boston babies, you have got more than your fair share of supposed “bad calls”……..I think Oakland would agree with that.
    ==========
    What is/are the “bad calls” with Oakland you refer to?

    If you mean a bad rule, then I concur. But of course the Patriots write the rule books each offseason, so your argument makes complete sense.

    —————————————————————————————————-

    doesn’t mean bad rule he means bad call because that’s what the tuck rule was a bad call. Brady never “tucked” the ball away. he fumbled it before he “tucked”. so it wasn’t a bad rule just a bad call

  43. cliverush says: Nov 19, 2013 1:35 PM

    There is a comment from a so called “expert” regarding Bill Belichicks shortcomings as a head coach. This is the same head coach who has taken his team to 5 Superbowls and fields a competetive team every year. A coach who never looks for an excuse to blame a loss on. He will question, but not blame others, only the coaches and the team. If over a decade of success in the NFL can not shut up his critics then one can only wonder what a good head coach looks like to them. Every team has injuries, every team loses players through free agency and every team deals with the cap. Only one team wins consistantly, year after year, the Pats.

  44. therealtruth210 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:36 PM

    as a raiders fan I only wish this happened in a play off game

  45. hairpie2 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:37 PM

    Panther fans are still upset their roided up SB team lost. :(

  46. ejmat2 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:38 PM

    I didn’t want the Pats to win last night and I’m not one to say people are clearly wrong. They have the right to their opinions. However, there is no doubt that this should have been called. He was held without a shadow of a doubt.

    It doesn’t matter whether or not he could have caught the ball. That applies to passing interference. There are many calls on the other side of the field where a player is held on a passing play and has nothing to do with the play, yet it’s called.

    I said before the “real” refs are no better than the replacement refs were. Maybe they could manage the game better and save us all 6 minutes average per game. However, they get just as many, if not more, calls wrong. This was definitely a bad call.

  47. jimache06197714 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:38 PM

    Stop crying … i mean, the Pats get all the calls right?!
    Being robbed 2 games(for now) out of 16(12.5%) means everything going your way correct?!?!

    Wait… whaaat … 12.5%?

  48. therealtruth210 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:39 PM

    cliverush says:
    Nov 19, 2013 1:35 PM
    There is a comment from a so called “expert” regarding Bill Belichicks shortcomings as a head coach. This is the same head coach who has taken his team to 5 Superbowls and fields a competetive team every year. A coach who never looks for an excuse to blame a loss on. He will question, but not blame others, only the coaches and the team. If over a decade of success in the NFL can not shut up his critics then one can only wonder what a good head coach looks like to them. Every team has injuries, every team loses players through free agency and every team deals with the cap. Only one team wins consistantly, year after year, the Pats.

    —————————————————————————————————-

    This was the same coach who was caught cheating and was fined $250,000 and his team was fined $250,000 and his team lost draft picks because of his cheating and hasn’t won a super bowl since. Is that the coach you are referring to?

  49. peymax1693 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:43 PM

    I dislike the Pats as much as any team in the league and I was glad they lost.

    That having been said, Keuchly clearly held Gronkowski on the play (I don’t believe it was pass interference because Gronk made no effort to re-adjust to the ball, making the pass uncatchable) The Pats should have had one more play from the 13 yard line.

    At the very least, giving the Pats one more play would have prevented all the Pats fans from playing the victim card and the annoying whining that comes with it.

  50. sonnysixpack says: Nov 19, 2013 1:46 PM

    To suggest that Gronk could have went thru 2 players to have a chance at a poorly thrown ball is ludicrous.

  51. coutre says: Nov 19, 2013 1:47 PM

    Can’t the competition committee just come up w/rules that aren’t subject to interpretation? Maybe they need smarter men on it.

  52. hairpie2 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:49 PM

    realtruth, yes thats the same coach… the one with a winning % 100 points higher POST Spygate. The one that has been to 2 Super Bowls in 5 years. The one that turned the other cheek when the Jets were caught cheating by taping the Pats in Foxboro during a playoff game… yeah, the one that took a bullet for the league to give you all a platform to whine from.

  53. 1greatusername says: Nov 19, 2013 1:50 PM

    Not a fan of either team, thoroughly enjoyed a great game.

    So OK, let’s say it’s not PI. It’s defensive holding. I got this from Barnwell’s article today.

    The defensive player cannot use his hands or arms to push from behind, hang onto, or encircle an eligible receiver in a manner that restricts movement as the play develops. Beyond this five-yard limitation, a defender may use his hands or arms ONLY to defend or protect himself against impending contact caused by a receiver. In such reaction, the defender may not contact a receiver who attempts to take a path to evade him.

    A holding call would have given the Patriots one more play from the 13. Still unlikely to succeed but at least it’s fair.

    Did Kuechly hold? Given this definition, I saw a hold (on TV). I’d like to hear what an official standing right there thought – but did they even consider a holding call, or did they just pick up the flag on the non-PI? That post-play convo was too quick. They seemed to rush to a decision. It doesn’t seem like they took the time to consider DH.

    That’s the tragedy – we’ll never know. And it was a terrible way to end to a great game.

  54. maddog111 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:52 PM

    At the very least, it should have been illegal contact. But what I don’t understand is why didn’t Gronk try and fight his way back to the ball. I know his momentum was taking him the other direction, but if he tries to get back to it, or even just flops a little, no way are they going to pick up that flag.

  55. ravenseers says: Nov 19, 2013 1:55 PM

    I think the refs applied the “flag tuck rule” on the call… Karma is the greatest equalizer, Charles Woodson was smiling last night, and so did I :)

  56. flash1283 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:56 PM

    no1billsfan says: Nov 19, 2013 1:27 PM

    The focus should be on what the Pats ‘didn’t do’ to win the game in the prior 59:55 minutes – not the phantom penalty at the end. Face it, they should have paid Welker, Brady is on the decline & this will be the final year of the Patriots leading the AFC East.

    Well lets see, the pats were winning
    Brady was 24 of 29 they had rushed for over 100 yards and please with the “Brady is on the decline & this will be the final year of the Patriots leading the AFC East” we here this crap EVERY year.
    The AFC east belongs to the Patriots as long as Brady is the QB.

    Bottom line, they have played 10 games they are 7-3 with a 2 game lead in the division.

    And after putting up over 400 yards on the road against the supposed best D in the NFL don’t be surprised if he shreds that sorry Denver D and win next week.

  57. therealtruth210 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:57 PM

    hairpie2 says:
    Nov 19, 2013 1:49 PM
    realtruth, yes thats the same coach… the one with a winning % 100 points higher POST Spygate. The one that has been to 2 Super Bowls in 5 years. The one that turned the other cheek when the Jets were caught cheating by taping the Pats in Foxboro during a playoff game… yeah, the one that took a bullet for the league to give you all a platform to whine from.

    ______________________________________________________________________

    you mean the one with ZERO super bowl victories since he was told to put his cameras away, right gotcha

  58. truths4all says: Nov 19, 2013 1:58 PM

    Forget it, football fans. You simply cannot fight it when the refs have money under that table to fix a game and this one was obvious in its being fixed.

    Tell the NFL you know they are cheating and you will keep your monies instead of giving it to them for a crooked product. That is the only message the NFL understands.

    Its the only one.

  59. rahavort says: Nov 19, 2013 1:58 PM

    Any fan of football who knows what they are watching and knows when a penalty should be called would agree this was a bad non-call. As for those calling the Patriots “babies” for being upset about a situation that could have led to them winning the game; that was taken away so naturally they are going to be pissed. And don’t tell me you wouldn’t be mad either. Pull your heads out of your …, watch more football or find another reason to hate the NFL’s most successful team in the last decade other than hating them for the success their team has that your favorite team doesnt.

  60. colinjs27 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:06 PM

    I am neither a Panthers fan or a Patriots fan. But here is what I saw. There was no pass interference on the play, given the integrity of the game.

    First off, the ball was completely un-catchable. This isn’t Madden. A player cant stop and and jump the opposite way 5 yards in the blink of an eye while also having to fight in front of three guys. Not possible, and it’s silly that people think he could make that play. This isn’t backyard football. The speed of the game is insane.

    When they entered the endzone there was minor hand grabbing… if you slow it down to the real time, the pass interference really didn’t start until the back of the endzone, simultaneously as the ball was intercepted 5 yards short.

    It was the last play of the game, and it would have been a crime to call a penalty on a throw into triple coverage 5 yards short of the intended target.

    Again, a fan of no team here. Just an honest observer who doesn’t like to fight the system and agree with ESPN/TMZ.

  61. chitown2831 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:06 PM

    New england needs to stop all that damn crying and having a bad attitude about the play its a long list of teams that got cheated by them just soak it up and move on . Btw the ball was uncatchable because luke was draped all ovee gronk with a safety ready to knock the pass away or intercept but with the ball being underthrown the ball would not have made it to gronk either way

  62. McFaddensPulledHammy says: Nov 19, 2013 2:07 PM

    And Brady’s arm was “going forward”…….

  63. ijahru says: Nov 19, 2013 2:08 PM

    terripet says:
    Nov 19, 2013 12:45 PM
    Cheater’s never win

    The Panthers did last night

  64. clelek05 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:11 PM

    I love when the Patriots lose it becomes a national news story. People hate the Patriots so much but they aren’t going away any time soon. No one is giving excuses, all the haters make up that the Pats fans cry. No one is crying here. It was a great game and they lost on the road to a good team. But you have to admit, the three losses this year have included some funky stuff at the end of the game.

    @Cincinatti – it rained harder than I’ve ever seen when the Pats got the ball with a chance to tie

    @New York Jets – OK, this call is one that I complain about. That personal foul on a 57 yarder was an absolute joke.

    @Carolina – Flag thrown and picked up on last play of the game.

    Pats will just keep rolling with the punches and everyone will be eating their words when they are right back in the AFC Championship Game.

  65. RavenzGunnerz says: Nov 19, 2013 2:11 PM

    Pass uncatchable… Pass intercepted… No call is right.

  66. brazzz01 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:12 PM

    I think mayor Rob Ford would agree it was a bad call.

  67. chinahand11 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:14 PM

    Thank you Cliverush for summarizing the Pats. Hey haters, how many of you think that BB was the only one taping other teams? Hmm? He was the only one who got caught. And the last play was a no doubt holding call. They call it all the time on DBs on the other side of the field from where the ball is. Holding, one more play for the Pats, see what happens.

  68. markmanxp says: Nov 19, 2013 2:17 PM

    From what I understand about the rule is … was the receiver held or illegally contacted before the ball was in the air? If yes, then it should have been one of those two calls. If no, (the ball is already in the air) then the only call can be pass interference. Since they said it was uncatchable they wave off the only call it could have been, pass interference. That’s how I’m understanding it and the interpretation of the rules.

  69. 3taintedchampionships2biglosses says: Nov 19, 2013 2:18 PM

    What goes around comes around cheaters.

  70. hdahs143 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:24 PM

    Defensive holding or illegal contact cannot be called once the ball
    Is in the air. Once in the air, PI is the only call that can be made, unless the ball is tipped, deemed uncatchable, or intercepted.

    Those are the rules. Like it or not , it was a perfect storm of sorts that did not go the Patriots way. Instead of whining, practice what you preach to other teams when you are the beneficiary of questionable officiating, like the Saints for example. The part where you point out the myriad of ways, other than officiating, that their team lost the game.

    Shoe, meet the other foot.

  71. sactogary says: Nov 19, 2013 2:28 PM

    no1billsfan says: Nov 19, 2013 1:27 PM

    The focus should be on what the Pats ‘didn’t do’ to win the game in the prior 59:55 minutes – not the phantom penalty at the end. …
    ——————–
    No, that’s wrong. The final five seconds should count too. When two teams are evenly matched, neither should have to overcome bad calls.

    But this is just business as usual. Refs almost never call PI in the end zone on the last play. Defenses become aggressive, knowing they can get away with it.

  72. soaringeagle13 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:30 PM

    metintodd says:
    Nov 19, 2013 1:07 PM
    I wish the refs would tell me the next time they plan to screw over the Pats so I don’t have to waste 3 hours of my life watching a game in which the fix is in. What a BS call and then to compound the mistake by not explaining anything. Looks like amateur hour is taking over at NFL games. Wish there were a way to file a protest. I’m emotionally drained after last night and I just don’t have the stomach to watch next week’s Broncos game after what happened. I’ll be boycotting it and doing something more enjoyable with my life. Life is too short to get worked up like this every week over such bogus officiating.

    Boo hoo…must’ve been rough all these years watching your team win the division and get to the playoffs every year..I mean the Pats NEVER have any calls go their way. Oy Vey

  73. mezanine10 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:32 PM

    How come there are so many comments on here claiming that Belichek is complaining about the call? Does anyone know how to read? He’s not complaining. Despite the press’ efforts to goad him into giving them a sound byte so they can cause controversy, he’s just saying talk to the league about the call. Some people commenting on this thread aren’t literate.

  74. therealtruth210 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:41 PM

    rahavort says:
    Nov 19, 2013 1:58 PM
    Any fan of football who knows what they are watching and knows when a penalty should be called would agree this was a bad non-call. As for those calling the Patriots “babies” for being upset about a situation that could have led to them winning the game; that was taken away so naturally they are going to be pissed. And don’t tell me you wouldn’t be mad either. Pull your heads out of your …, watch more football or find another reason to hate the NFL’s most successful team in the last decade other than hating them for the success their team has that your favorite team doesnt.

    ————————————————-

    That would be easier to do if their success didn’t come from cheating and the tuck rule which was a bad call.

  75. brazzz01 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:43 PM

    I wonder how the 2013 Pats would do as an NFC team. Lucky they’re in the AFC East.

  76. therealtruth210 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:46 PM

    chinahand11 says:
    Nov 19, 2013 2:14 PM
    Thank you Cliverush for summarizing the Pats. Hey haters, how many of you think that BB was the only one taping other teams? Hmm? He was the only one who got caught. And the last play was a no doubt holding call. They call it all the time on DBs on the other side of the field from where the ball is. Holding, one more play for the Pats, see what happens.

    ————————————————-

    He was the only one who got caught so I guess he is not as smart as he thinks he is and still hasn’t won a super bowl since, so what does that say??

  77. bobsnygiants says: Nov 19, 2013 2:48 PM

    Any official older than ED REED shouldn’t have a job, these guy have a job , and this is a part time job they don’t care.

  78. dinofrank60 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:50 PM

    Bill,

    Just say you think the refs screwed up or say you can’t say what you really think. Stop all this dancing around. Just say that you don’t feel like giving the league money this week. We know you’re going to go on and prepare for the next week; we know you’re going to turn the page. You’re not going to shape public opinion.

    The refs will get heat from the fans and media, right or wrong. Most fans don’t listen to the league anyway, which probably hurts Goodell’s heart.

  79. dualprime says: Nov 19, 2013 2:53 PM

    The ref that threw the flag called PI not seeing if the ball was catchable. He then asked the other refs and they said no, it was not catchable. He can’t backtrack and say “in that case I’m calling holding.” Sorry, it just doesn’t work that way.

  80. flash1283 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:57 PM

    therealtruth210 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:46 PM

    chinahand11 says:
    Nov 19, 2013 2:14 PM
    Thank you Cliverush for summarizing the Pats. Hey haters, how many of you think that BB was the only one taping other teams? Hmm? He was the only one who got caught. And the last play was a no doubt holding call. They call it all the time on DBs on the other side of the field from where the ball is. Holding, one more play for the Pats, see what happens.

    ————————————————-

    He was the only one who got caught so I guess he is not as smart as he thinks he is and still hasn’t won a super bowl since, so what does that say??


    It says its a stupid argument that haters always try to use. If the Patriots all of a sudden sucked after spygate then you and all the other haters may have an argument. But they have a better win% post spygate and have played in 2 SB since. Yes we know they lost but we also know it to 2 spectacular catches for them to get beat.

  81. mancave001 says: Nov 19, 2013 3:11 PM

    Bad call. Worse picking up the flag and not explaining it.

  82. shlort says: Nov 19, 2013 3:13 PM

    The PI penalt should not have been reversed. How the official explained it was not good enough to overturn the other official throwing the flag. Of course Gronk could not catch the ball anyway. he was being held By the LB who had both arms securely arounf the TE. Maybe that is the new standard? At the very least it was defensive holding and another play should ahve been given after the penalty was enforced. Bad call.

  83. hairpie2 says: Nov 19, 2013 3:23 PM

    realtruth, if Asante Sameul doesnt choke in the SB, the Pats go 19-0. What does taping 23 seconds during a Jets game have anything to do with that?

  84. godzilla111111 says: Nov 19, 2013 3:30 PM

    2007
    “Undefeated” Pats vs. 5-11 Ravens

    1:48 to play. Ravens ahead.
    Pats 4th and 1
    Ravens sack Brady-game over.
    WAIT!

    The refs permit Ravens asst. coach Ryan to call a time out and negate the play.
    The rules say only the HC (Billick) or a player on the field can call a time out.

    Doesn’t matter-the Pats must win.
    Not a judgement call like last night-flat out cheating by the refs.
    Oh well its was only the Ravens.

  85. seattlelibtard says: Nov 19, 2013 3:30 PM

    thestrategyexpert says:
    Nov 19, 2013 12:42 PM

    …Bill has just shown again that he’s not a good leader as a Head Coach. This is a weak response and lack of commentary from him and I find it to be rather peculiar and moreso just insufficient and not good enough. Do your job Bill. Even if you feel the NFL doesn’t do theirs, that doesn’t mean you still don’t have a job and responsibilities to adhere to.
    _______________________________
    Of course he is discussing it, just not to the public and certainly not to the press. They are under contract to not bad mouth the NFL, or they get fined. If you don’t think Bill is on the phone screaming at the officiating offices this morning, you are off base.

  86. dave4nyfg says: Nov 19, 2013 3:33 PM

    I do find it unfortunate that that degree of contact doesn’t result in a penalty, but the ‘catchable’ requirement is clearly needed for them to call PI. To me, give the refs the benefit of the doubt b/c Gronk seemed to agree it wasn’t catchable — he made no attempt to fight through to the ball.

    Faceguarding, that’s not a separate penalty, its part of PI. As for Holding or Illegal Contact, nope, believe they have to be pre-pass (and in the case of holding, you know, actually have holding).

    It sucks that it happened, but don’t blame the refs and stop the whining.

  87. tigerlilac says: Nov 19, 2013 3:34 PM

    “How many times has the “pushing” call called vs the Pats in the Jets game been called this year? Once. Enough said… phantom PI on Asante Samuel in 2005 in Denver, the missed call when the Pats TE knocked the ball out of Champ Baileys hands which should have been a touch back, the phantom “Hand to the head” in 2006 vs The Colts, the non holding call on the Tyree catch where a Giants lineman was choking and pulling Richard Seymour down from behind, the Baltimore game last year… the league screwing the Pats over for “Spygate”… ”

    Excellent summary. The TE you refer to was Ben Watson and the amazing thing about that call was that if there was any question you would think they would give the call to the guy who made one of the best plays I have ever seen in NFL history. Instead, they gave the call to the home team.

  88. pats2001 says: Nov 19, 2013 3:35 PM

    steelcurtainn says:
    Nov 19, 2013 1:00 PM
    Does Brady ever quit crying. The defense lost the game for you. Don’t blame the refs. Must be tough on Brady knowing he hasn’t won a superbowl in a decade.

    Must be tough knowing that Brady beat you twice in the AFC championship game…both of which were in pittsburgh. Oh wait, that doesnt count because Joey Porter said they cheated right? Hahhaahaha…what a joke of a fanbase you people are

  89. buckeye1nation says: Nov 19, 2013 3:37 PM

    What is being over looked here is that it was a VERY smart play by Kuechly. Since he didn’t know where the ball was, he had to assume it was going to be caught for a game winning TD. By grabbing Gronk, he knows he prevents the pass from being caught and at the worst the Pats get the ball at the 1 and have to punch it in from there. Smart play by a smart player..

  90. forsbergler says: Nov 19, 2013 3:38 PM

    @ therealtruth210

    Or any team that has Peton Manning at the helm. Don’t be so ignorant to think Mannings teams have helped him succeed. went 2-14 without him and he took an 8-8 team to a 13-3 record last year and probably a 14-2 or 13-3 season this year. There only one diffrence between the 2. The Pats can win without Brady, Mannings teams can’t. Cheating and weak schedule are the only reasons the Pats have done anything since their last good team in 08.
    BB is a great cherter, I’ll give him that. His Home record is astounding with the poor talent he has to work with. To bad the Pats ain’t going to be hosting to many games in the playoffs this year.
    Pats Finnish 10-6, get #4 seed and lose to KC in wildcard round. you heard it here 1st

  91. jgedgar70 says: Nov 19, 2013 3:44 PM

    While the Patriots fans continue to hold on to the illusion that the officials took points off the board last night, it would be nice if you acknowledge that Cannon should have gotten a 15-yard penalty for his leg-whip on Charles Johnson. Oh, yeah, that play went the Patriots way, so it’s fine. Stay with the “Patriots scored a TD and the ref took the points off the board and awarded the win to the Panthers” talking points.

    As for BB, I’m starting to understand why his pressers are so dull. First thing out of his mouth is, “we can’t talk about the call, we have to move on to Denver” and the first question asked is about the call. One of these days, he’s going to get so exasperated he’s going to turn into Mike Gundy, Jim Mora and Dennis Green all rolled into one. What a show that will be. I just hope it’s on live TV.

  92. maddog111 says: Nov 19, 2013 3:47 PM

    pats2001 says:
    Nov 19, 2013 3:35 PM
    steelcurtainn says:
    Nov 19, 2013 1:00 PM
    Does Brady ever quit crying. The defense lost the game for you. Don’t blame the refs. Must be tough on Brady knowing he hasn’t won a superbowl in a decade.

    Must be tough knowing that Brady beat you twice in the AFC championship game…both of which were in pittsburgh. Oh wait, that doesnt count because Joey Porter said they cheated right? Hahhaahaha…what a joke of a fanbase you people are
    ——————————————-
    Must be even tougher knowing Pittsburgh’s won two Super Bowls since then to the Patriots zero. Congratulations on having a great regular season winning percentage since Spygate though.

  93. hairpie2 says: Nov 19, 2013 3:50 PM

    @forsburgeler, just because the Colts quit as a team, doesnt mean they were a 2-14 team. They were 10-6 in Mannings last season… they quit like the babies they are and went 2-14, then with a ROOKIE at qb, did better than Mannings last year, going 11-5. Also, they havent won anything since they were caught cheating by pumping in artificial crowd noise during the oppositions offensive plays.

    The Pats went 18-1 with Brady, then 11-5 with Cassel and missed the playoffs, thats 7 LESS WINS.

  94. azarkhan says: Nov 19, 2013 3:54 PM

    brazzz01 says: I wonder how the 2013 Pats would do as an NFC team.

    In the NFC East they would be two games up with a guaranteed home game in the playoffs.

    Next!

  95. azarkhan says: Nov 19, 2013 3:57 PM

    @hdahs143, so are Saints fans the biggest crybaby’s, because it sure sounds like it.

  96. tigerlilac says: Nov 19, 2013 4:10 PM

    Not only was Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski grabbed in the end zone by Panthers linebacker Luke Kuechly on the final play with the ball in the air, Kuechly never looked back at the ball, allegedly a cardinal sin in calling pass interference per the NFL.

  97. thestrategyexpert says: Nov 19, 2013 4:12 PM

    seattlelibtard:

    He doesn’t have to badmouth the league in a way that merits a fine by finding a crafty and constructive and purposeful way of talking about it during his media session. I think he should have and he screwed up by not posturing differently and taking a different approach to the whole “controversy” from a philosophical standpoint. I interpret his choices as failed decisions because there were better ways to handle this and address this.

  98. faninninerland says: Nov 19, 2013 4:13 PM

    if you give the refs the ability to decide a game…they will. so they say that the underthrown ball negated a pass interference penalty, it wouldn’t negate an illegal contact or defensive holding penalty both could have been applicable on that play.

  99. peymax1693 says: Nov 19, 2013 4:15 PM

    @forsburgeler, just because the Colts quit as a team, doesnt mean they were a 2-14 team. They were 10-6 in Mannings last season… they quit like the babies they are and went 2-14, then with a ROOKIE at qb, did better than Mannings last year, going 11-5. Also, they havent won anything since they were caught cheating by pumping in artificial crowd noise during the oppositions offensive plays.

    The Pats went 18-1 with Brady, then 11-5 with Cassel and missed the playoffs, thats 7 LESS WINS.

    hairpie, I have seen a lot of Manning hate on these boards, and some of it is justified. But to argue that the Pats going 11-5 w/Cassel proves that Brady is more valuable to the Pats than Manning was to the Colts is ludicrous. While Manning’s losing record shows that he hasn’t been as clutch as Brady in the playoffs, he has proven himself to be the best regular season quarterback in NFL history.

  100. hairpie2 says: Nov 19, 2013 4:22 PM

    Im not at all a Manning hater, quite the opposite. I was just refuting your point and using facts was the easiest way to do it. I actually like Manning quite a bit. That organization under Polian was one of the most dispicable i have ever seen. All you fans that come here every week to whine about calls and PI’s can thank him and the Colts inability to beat the Pats secondary for that.

  101. brazzz01 says: Nov 19, 2013 4:32 PM

    Must be even tougher knowing Pittsburgh’s won* two Super Bowls since then to the Patriots zero.

    ———–

    * refs help

  102. azarkhan says: Nov 19, 2013 4:38 PM

    thestrategyexpert says: I interpret his choices as failed decisions because there were better ways to handle this and address this.

    In case you didn’t get the memo, Belichick doesn’t care what you think or how you “interpret his choices”.

  103. firstroyal says: Nov 19, 2013 4:38 PM

    The call is called “tuck rule karma” or “attempted fumble recovery karma”
    hopefully there is much more to come

  104. johngaltwho says: Nov 19, 2013 4:44 PM

    Chuck Norris says: Nov 19, 2013 12:48 PM

    I said it before, the Pats have themselves to blame for allowing the Officials the ability to affect the outcome.

    ————————————————-

    I hear this after every game changing (game ending) bad call and it really is quite frankly – nonsense. The implication that a team didnt have enough of a lead to prevent a game changing bad call and therefore should bear the burden of fault is inane. By those standards, every winner of every one score game really deserved to lose because they didnt have enough of a margin of victory to be official proof. Not rational.

  105. tedmurph says: Nov 19, 2013 4:59 PM

    Great game last night, Questionable call, but it doesn’t matter. A shame a gm like that had to be decided by controversy on the last play, it is what it is. I would have hoped Pats fans wouldn’t lower themselves to ravens, steeler, saints fans level, whining about the refs.
    Pats lost because the defense couldn’t get off the field in the 4th qtr and they lost contain on the QB too many times(4 1rst downs).

    Don’t know how other Pats fans feel, but I’ve had enough of Ridley. Explosive back, but he’s just not worth it.

  106. azarkhan says: Nov 19, 2013 5:00 PM

    chitown2831 says: Btw the ball was uncatchable because luke was draped all ovee gronk

    That’s why it was a penalty, because “luke was draped all ovee gronk”.

  107. thestrategyexpert says: Nov 19, 2013 5:03 PM

    azarkhan:

    Well then he can continue to not improve by listening to a good suggestion that his not his own. But I already assume he doesn’t care what I think, and that’s not relevant to my motivation to tell him what I think as well as others anyhow.

  108. nflcommissioner says: Nov 19, 2013 5:07 PM

    I would say the leg whip and non pass interference call is Tit for Tat. Deal with it the Pats still would have lost.

  109. shine94 says: Nov 19, 2013 5:15 PM

    apkyletexas says: Nov 19, 2013 1:00 PM

    “He doesn’t want anyone focusing on the referee not doing his job.”

    Looked like the dude did his job just fine.

    Believe it or not, Gronk was not going to catch a ball 5 yards in front of him when his momentum was carrying him further away from it. That ball was clearly uncatchable.

    Maybe the Pats should look for a qb who can put the ball on target.
    _________________________________

    two things: first, Gronkowski was being pushed AWAY from the ball, so we’ll never know whether or not he had a chance to catch the ball
    second: look for a QB who can put the ball on target????? … in case you missed it while cheering for the Panthers during the game, Brady completed his 4,000 pass …. with only 4 other QB’s ahead of him …. AND, with less than a minute on the clock he moved the ball downfield to get within the redzone

  110. footballfan80 says: Nov 19, 2013 5:16 PM

    The Pats and the referees are a totally different team when playing out of their own stadium. At Gillette, they are nearly unbeatable because they get every freakin call. When they are on the road, the calls are pretty much even and their record shows that.

    I wont say last night’s call was clearly correct. It really could have gone either way. Yes, he did hold him, but the chances of him running through 2 defenders to get the ball are miniscule at best, but not impossible. It was also a bad throw by Brady. He throws it to the back of the end zone where Gronk was heading anyway and no way they pick up that flag.

    It usually evens out over the course of the season. If they call that PI last night, the Pats have roughly a 50% chance of winning. On the other hand, the Patriots gained an extra win in the Saints game with an even more blatant holding penalty that wasn’t called, which if it was called would result in maybe a 5% chance of winning (one play from around their 40)?

    In Gillette this year:
    -2 plays against the Jets that were both ruled in favor of the Jets on the field despite no irrefutable evidence to the contrary (Gates TD and Edelman fumble).
    – 2 Plays against the Dolphins, one for an illegal contact penalty on 3rd down in Dolphin territory on a fins DB despite it being within 5 yards and the Pats wr just falling down. The other was terrible also with the Fins DL swatting the ball back while on the ground and they called it illegal despite the fact that he could only use one hand to attempt to recover the fumble since the other was under his body.

    Away from Gillette this year:
    -No PI called last night
    – Penalty on Folk missed FG in overtime against Jets. Is the rule, but a dumb rule.

    Bottom line, it really has nothing to do with the Patriots. Usually the home team gets more calls than the visitors. Why? Could be a lot of things, but its a lot of pressure for referees in a hostile environment to make a close call against the home team.

  111. u4iadman says: Nov 19, 2013 5:17 PM

    Lets be clear….BB is the issue. Poor play calls again in this game, esp at the half when he had timeouts to use.

  112. tedmurph says: Nov 19, 2013 5:21 PM

    Uncatchable is irrelevent. It was defensive holding, clear as day. Pats should’ve had one more play from the 12 yrd line. Who knows what would have happened.

  113. doggeatdogg says: Nov 19, 2013 5:23 PM

    Historically the Patriots have benefitted from bad calls including a call against the Dolphins in their last game where the fins were beating them in the first half and disappeared in the second. The pats were going to win and they didn’t need the 12th man to chime in but they did. You didn’t hear any NE fan saying the refs blew it. The standard response is that usual ‘it happens.’

    Well, the refs blew it on Monday but fear not. NE will be compensated by the very refs in some critical game in the future, they’ll find a way to swallow the flag or throw it in favor of the pats because ‘it happens.’ People hate the Cowboys because of Jones and people hate the pats because of perceived favoritism from the league and officials.

  114. patriotinvasion says: Nov 19, 2013 5:23 PM

    db105 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:26 PM

    This loss may have cost your team (the Pats) a chance at the top seed in the AFC even if the Pats beat the Broncos.
    ____
    Perhaps, but home field hasn’t gotten us a ring the past 3 years. I almost would welcome a trip to Denver for the AFC Championship Game. The Patriots would be the underdog and all pressure would be on Denver to not blow another home playoff game while the Pats could play with nothing to lose after all of the turmoil they’ve gone through this year with turnover and injuries.

  115. johngaltwho says: Nov 19, 2013 5:37 PM

    Not that I like (or even respect) attorneys, but people would be well served to understand the concept of relevance. Whether the call was correct or not has NOTHING to do with previous bad unrelated calls in that or other games, with Bill Belichick or Tom Brady as a person, with some ill conceived idea of home field advantage or karma or earlier unsuccessful opportunities in the game by the team that was victimized by the call. A call is good or bad on its merits based on the rules as written and as applied.

    Objectively, it was a bad call. And bad calls are part of sports.

  116. swagger52 says: Nov 19, 2013 5:46 PM

    Poor Sports!

    The Patriots and the Media wants to talk about one call. How about all the 3rd down incomplete, but extension by phantom penalty, that Brady has enjoyed over his entire career? Even in last nights’s game he benefited of them.

    How about in the AFC Champ game 2 years ago. Pitta was MUGGED in the end zone the play before the Lee Evans call.

    How about the Superbowl that the Patriots won because they MUGGED the greatest show on Turf?

    From a neutral fan perspective..Kueckly was mugging whoever he covered all night long. He would hold as they ran past him. The refs didn’t call any of those, so why would they start with a ball that was uncatchable. Gronkowski’s actions basically told you that he thought it was uncatchable. Realistically, they could have called illegal contact – not pass interference. However, they could have called that on Kueckle and the Patriots defenders all night long.

    I realize Patriot fans want all the calls, not just some of them. However, too bad.

  117. swagger52 says: Nov 19, 2013 5:50 PM

    I thought the Patriots do their talking on the field…
    The Refs are always right.

    Oh I see…that only applies to Patriots and their fans when the rules are “tucked” up.

  118. lanman11 says: Nov 19, 2013 5:55 PM

    Control the Controllable’s. Good idea Bill. Nobody is going back out there to throw that flag again and the team that is coming to town has an extra day of preparation for you because you had to play a Monday night road game the week before. Having lost more than half your defense to injury as well as parts of your offense, and having had your starting offense together for minimal game time, you’ll have lots to do this week. Your guests will be looking to seize any distraction from last night as an opportunity to embarrass you on national television, as if you weren’t good enough to win these games anyway. Good idea to just remember what you are building here, and move on to the next step, adjusting the process as you go. I like what I am hearing.

  119. footballfan80 says: Nov 19, 2013 6:08 PM

    tedmurph:

    Learn the rules. Physically impossible for it to be holding. There is no such thing in the NFL as holding when the ball is in the air. It is either pass interference, or no pass interference because it wasn’t catchable. That’s a fact. You cant possibly have a play that could be holding OR pass interference on the same play, UNLESS the contact happened both before and after the pass is thrown. No one could argue that the contact started before the ball was in the air. The replay clearly shows the ball was already in the air.

  120. thethunderofgunns says: Nov 19, 2013 6:11 PM

    Tuck Rule/Spygate Karma Forever Baby!!!!!!

    – A Raider Fan :)

  121. bcgreg says: Nov 19, 2013 6:15 PM

    Stop saying it was uncatchable. Someone caught it!

  122. RE LEE says: Nov 19, 2013 6:24 PM

    What did clete SAY. I did not catch it. Neither did BB and TB. Now, THAT’S uncatchable.

  123. swinbun says: Nov 19, 2013 6:58 PM

    What I haven’t heard anybody discuss at all today is the fact that the pass was INTERCEPTED!!!! The Carolina DB undercut the route and intercepted the pass!!! Regardless of what the Carolina LB was doing with Gronk, that pass was going to be picked off and there was nothing Gronk was going to do to stop it. It was not catchable and the Carolina DB was making that play 100% of the time. It was a crappy pass by Brady and Gronk was covered by 2 Carolina defenders. End of story.

  124. trg728774 says: Nov 19, 2013 7:00 PM

    I personally love all the hate the Pats get. I would rather be hated for being a consistently good team then being hated for being a laughing stock “aka” the jets.

  125. thethunderofgunns says: Nov 19, 2013 7:27 PM

    Ah yes!

    It’s the Tuck Rule/Spygate Karma CURSE!

    May it last forever BABY!!!!!

    – A Raider fan :)

  126. trg728774 says: Nov 19, 2013 7:40 PM

    Yeah because the patriots had so much control over the tuck rule. Pathetic.

  127. iamapatsfan says: Nov 19, 2013 8:10 PM

    florida76 says:
    Nov 19, 2013 1:08 PM
    What many Pats fans don’t understand is the idea that this play didn’t flat out cost them the game. This situation is being framed like the bogus call in the Green Bay at Seattle contest last year, a final play which truly decided the outcome.

    Had the penalty stood, all New England had was an increased chance at a win, that’s it. With the ball at the one, the Pats would have had the difficult hurdle of finding an open receiver in a congested end zone, or hoping one of their so-so RB’s gets the yard. I think Brady would have been creamed in a QB sneak attempt. Realistically, it was a 50-50 proposition.

    ——-

    You’re right. But that was a penalty that should have been given and a chance that should have been had. I don’t disagree with you, I think there was a good chance it was going to be a run, maybe a qb sneak if Brady saw a gap in the D-line somewhere close. The Pats had been running quite well against the Panthers all night, though. Would it have won the game? We’ll never know, but it should have been a chance given based on the rather blatant bear hugging, lol.

    Regardless, nothing can be done about it and the NFL will NEVER say they screwed that one up, heh. Denver is next. A very different team. Hopefully the Pats won’t drop two in a row. I expect it to be significantly higher scoring than last night’s game.

  128. bubbahotepp says: Nov 20, 2013 1:35 AM

    Belichick says right off the top that he’s not going to discuss the officiating. So one of the first questions he’s asked is about the officiating. No wonder these guys hate reporters. That being said, this couldn’t have happened to a more deserving team. Love how classy Tommy shook the winning quarterback’s hand after the game.

  129. 1historian says: Nov 20, 2013 7:13 AM

    The call is arguable until the damn cows come home, but the game ended 32 hours ago and each team have has begun preparations for its next game.

    The damn cows have come home, been milked – 3 times since the game – and now people are waiting – again – until they come home.

    The Patriots are pissed off, and that does not spell good things for Denver. IOW – if a team is going to get a chip on its shoulder because of what they consider a bad call, November is a good time for it.

  130. trg728774 says: Nov 20, 2013 9:09 AM

    Bubbahoteep , being you know how classy tom Brady is you would know that he went and saw Cam after the game outside the locker room right? Oh that’s right just another patriots hater looking for anything to call them out for.

  131. bobsnygiants says: Nov 20, 2013 12:47 PM

    Hire full time officials .

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