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Harbaugh apparently didn’t know the rule for roughing the quarterback

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When players don’t know the rules, there’s a chance they don’t know the rules because they’re not properly being taught the rules.  When the coach doesn’t know the rules, the likelihood of the players not properly being taught the rules increases.

As it relates to Sunday’s controversial late-game call in New Orleans, which wiped out a turnover because 49ers linebacker Ahmad Brooks committed a roughing the passer penalty on Saints quarterback Drew Brees, there’s a pretty good chance coach Jim Harbaugh didn’t know the rule.

“Talking to Ahmad, Ahmad didn’t think he hit him in the head,” Harbaugh said after the game.

Ahmad’s recollection was accurate.  He didn’t hit Brees in the head.  But that’s not the rule.

Rule 12, Section 2, Article 9 sets forth the standards for roughing the passer.  “Referees will be particularly alert to fouls in which defenders impermissibly use the helmet and/or facemask to hit the passer, or use hands, arms or other parts of the body to hit the passer forcibly in the head or neck area.”  (Emphasis supplied.)

Head or neck area.

It doesn’t matter if Brooks didn’t hit Brees in the head.  Referee Tony Corrente determined that Brooks hit Brees in the neck.

A better argument from the 49ers’ perspective would be that the contact began lower than the neck.  As it relates to hits with the helmet or facemask, the rulebook specifically states that contact beginning lower on the body but moving up to the head or neck triggers a violation.  By omitting “hands, arms or other parts of the body” from that specific twist on the rule, the 49ers could argue that hands and arms don’t fall within the scope of the “sliding up” exception.

To make that argument, however, Harbaugh would have to acknowledge that the neck is forbidden.  He hasn’t.

On Monday, Harbaugh reinforced the notion that he doesn’t find fault with Brooks for the penalty.

“Our interpretation was, when we grade a player, if he’s got a penalty we give him a minus, but we did not assign a minus on that play,”  Harbaugh told reporters.  “That’s our interpretation. . . . I thought he made a great play. And, it didn’t get the result.”

It’s a smart way of criticizing a call without criticizing it.  Instead of saying the officials got it wrong, Harbaugh simply said he thinks his guy got it right.

And if the rule is “head” and not “head or neck,” Harbaugh would be right.

But that’s not the rule.  If Harbaugh doesn’t know that, how can his players?

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89 Responses to “Harbaugh apparently didn’t know the rule for roughing the quarterback”
  1. joetoronto says: Nov 19, 2013 9:27 AM

    This is so silly, it was a clear clothesline and that’s been illegal for decades.

    Jim Harbaugh should focus on coaching his team , that needs a good HC now.

    Any HC looks good when things are going well, it’s when things are going bad that separates the good from the bad.

  2. thatdontmakenosense says: Nov 19, 2013 9:27 AM

    The initial hit was on the chest, though. I think that’s what Harbaugh meant.

  3. tinbender2000 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:29 AM

    Except he didn’t hit him in the neck area. He hit him in the chest, Brees then slid under his arm from the force of the hit. Sorry but Harbaugh’s right, you and the ref’s are seeing something that’s not on the film.

  4. bucrightoff says: Nov 19, 2013 9:30 AM

    No one, the guy who cries first and asks questions later doesn’t know the rules?

  5. explosionsauce says: Nov 19, 2013 9:30 AM

    Let’s all knit some flags for the QBs to wear, we can embroider PFT on them!

  6. thereisfootballwestofjersey says: Nov 19, 2013 9:31 AM

    For the 20th time, Brooks didn’t “hit” Brees in the neck or head. He hit him in the chest. Historically bad officiating in week 11. This call and the defensive holding non call on Luke Kuechly last night cost two teams their wins.

    The zebras are determining teams’ playoff seeding which is totally unacceptable. As Lombardi said – “What the hell is goin on out there?”

  7. nyfootballgiants says: Nov 19, 2013 9:33 AM

    Anyone else feel that Harbaugh can’t lose enough to me yourself happy?

  8. nolahxc says: Nov 19, 2013 9:33 AM

    I think Harbaugh really showed his coaching prowess by his two impressive challenges in the first half.

  9. ozymandias121 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:35 AM

    You mean the star QB rule? Which is highly subjective?

  10. footballfan57 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:36 AM

    If this same hit would have been on Peyton Manning’s surgically repaired neck all we would have heard from the same jerks saying it shouldn’t have been called is that Brooks should be suspended.

  11. 2cmorgan says: Nov 19, 2013 9:38 AM

    Jim Harbaugh is a big cry baby, what a tool!

  12. Kaz says: Nov 19, 2013 9:38 AM

    Is anyone suprised by this?

  13. raiderlyfe510 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:39 AM

    Just make it easier. No tackling the QB. Just two hand touch on the QB and it’s a sack.

    If you can’t hit the QB low like Dungy used to teach…you can’t hit him high… Where can you hit him? You can not form tackle a QB. The pursuit angle won’t allow it.

  14. nonetruerthanblue says: Nov 19, 2013 9:39 AM

    Crap call and one heck of a hit. You have to see the slow-motion replay on that play. Just nasty.

    Brees got hit hard, but this is football. Where are you supposed to hit the quarterback?! Maybe you should just two-hand touch them to indicate a sack. I get QB protection…every player should be protected from illegal hits, but you have to let players play even if the hit looks hard.

  15. aces79 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:39 AM

    it was a clean sack fumble 100% but gotta move on to the next game

  16. dayus49 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:40 AM

    That’d be because he didn’t hit the Brees in the neck or the head. He hit him on the chest and in the shoulder pad area. The whole call was nonsense.

    That being said, the game is over so the debate should be too. Nothing can change the outcome and the Niners put themselves in a position to have 1 call lose the game for them. If they were playing the way they should have been playing all year, that one call wouldn’t have mattered.

  17. sonoco says: Nov 19, 2013 9:41 AM

    As if Harbaugh is the only man in America who thinks the call was bogus. Nice try. If the Ref kept his flag in his pocket it wouldn’t have been a story on any level.

  18. jimthebuilder27 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:43 AM

    This guy is the bigges whiner about rules he doesn’t like, how should he know the proper rules?

  19. cunninghampeetemcnabbvick says: Nov 19, 2013 9:44 AM

    It should be a penalty with out a fine.

  20. sg419 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:45 AM

    How cute
    Did he give Brooks a star or a smile face? Did he pin his note on his chest to send home to his Mom?

  21. cobrala2 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:45 AM

    Jim Harbaugh cracks me up in pressers… looking lost and bewildered at everyone question posed to him.

  22. bbrophy1 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:49 AM

    Since it says head or neck AREA it’s really open for interpretation which is the problem with officiating these days. Why not just say head and neck? These are dewfined parts of the body. Head and neck area means Brooks hit Brees too hard so of course there will be a flag. Those were basically Brees’ words after the game

  23. thehuckster404 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:50 AM

    Don’t kid yourself, Florio. Harbaugh was very outspoken this preseason about protecting his read-option quarterback from injury and unnecessary hits. He knows the rules better than most, he just “forgets” when convenient.

  24. woodworthbayoutiger says: Nov 19, 2013 9:52 AM

    How come when the call is against their player the coach doesn’t know the rule and when it is agains the opposing the player, the coach turns into Johnny Cochran?

  25. marylandchief says: Nov 19, 2013 9:54 AM

    I hear all these talking heads, mostly ex-players, criticizing the call. One question:

    When the public quits tuning in at the rate of 25 million per game because we. Don’t want to see Chase Daniel play Brock Osweiler next week, how much are they willing to contribute to make up the difference when the networks therefore say “give us back half of that billion dollars because the ratings aren’t as expected?”

  26. highcardwins says: Nov 19, 2013 9:55 AM

    A) There are WAY too many judgement calls in this game. That hit looks as legit as they come.

    B) If some how that hit was NOT legal than this league has become weak. Losing respect and interest every time one of these plays is flagged.

  27. marvsleezy says: Nov 19, 2013 9:55 AM

    Moreover, what I take away from this, is that Drew Brees is one tough hombre.

  28. ctiggs says: Nov 19, 2013 9:58 AM

    This was equivalent to the “tuck rule” the NFL is trying to patch things up with the Aints after bounty gate. Oh well 5 rings to 1 #nobodyhasitbetter #goNINERS

  29. Foghorn The IKonoclast says: Nov 19, 2013 9:59 AM

    I think that should all have a spot of tea between quarters, to gently speak with each other and God Bless the Queen. lol

    Come on people, rule changes are seemingly a yearly thing now. No wonder coaches are confused and fans bitter.

    Because media can show no restraint in the ‘big story’ you are throwing the baby out with the bath water.

  30. jackericsson says: Nov 19, 2013 10:01 AM

    Welcome to the NLF- as in no longer football!

  31. jimmyt says: Nov 19, 2013 10:03 AM

    Last season, he and his fans thought he was a coaching genius. Turns out what the rest of us knew all along is true – he’s just an obnoxious, loud-mouthed idiot. Oh, and in case anyone was wondering – he kept the wrong QB.

  32. mancave001 says: Nov 19, 2013 10:05 AM

    The rule is fine. The problem was the call. The initial contact and the force of the blow was to his upper chest, shoulder and collarbone. That call was horrendous and cost the Niners the game.

  33. mogogo1 says: Nov 19, 2013 10:06 AM

    Harbaugh is whiner, pure and simple. But this is still a ridiculous article. Because of Harbaugh, Brooks got that penalty? Because the NFL doesn’t provide info on the rules, position coaches don’t exist, etc. It’s the head coach who has the sole responsibility of explaining the rule book to players?

  34. jjb0811 says: Nov 19, 2013 10:08 AM

    Here the latest rule, no touching a QB. if a Defender comes within 10 yards, its an automatic 1st down and ejection for the defensive player.

    That was a clean hit!

  35. bcajun says: Nov 19, 2013 10:10 AM

    Whinners will be whinners

  36. abqpacker says: Nov 19, 2013 10:10 AM

    And that is exactly what the ref said at the time “hit to the neck area”.

  37. tommymomoney says: Nov 19, 2013 10:11 AM

    Stop the presses! Jim Harbaugh is whining about a call!

  38. redbirdsrising says: Nov 19, 2013 10:18 AM

    Harbaugh still thinks a ball thrown completely out of bounds in the end zone should still be ruled “catchable” and eligible for a pass interference penalty. Crybaby. Shut up and read a rule book.

  39. kgbdk says: Nov 19, 2013 10:18 AM

    How about trying to at least act like you’re professional Florio. Pat Summerall would be ashamed to see your lack of objectivity.

  40. ronaldjones says: Nov 19, 2013 10:22 AM

    Mike Florio apparently doesn’t know the difference between the neck and the chest. It was a terrific, clean tackle by Brooks, and an embarrassing call that gifted the Saints a victory after the Niners had wrapped it up.

  41. eatitfanboy says: Nov 19, 2013 10:23 AM

    Clotheslines have been illegal in the NFL for 30 years, and it doesn’t matter if it’s intentional or not.

    Listen, no one wants to see a game decided that way, but it’s a chicken or egg kind of thing. You can say New Orleans loses if the fumble isn’t overturned, but I can say Brees probably doesn’t fumble if he doesn’t almost get his head ripped off.

  42. sb44champs says: Nov 19, 2013 10:24 AM

    Apparently the entire MNF crew don’t know the rules either with the exception of Steve Young… Not surprised that a ‘smart’ Steve Young knows the rules but a ‘insert adjective’ Ray Lewis doesn’t…

  43. historyisyourfriend says: Nov 19, 2013 10:26 AM

    I find it funny that Harbaugh seemed pretty aware of all the QB rules when the Packers were threatening to knock Kap around, but suddenly when his guys do it he has no recollection of the rule?

    Good try buddy. You know EXACTLY what the rule is because you spelled it out for everyone already earlier in the year in that week long whine fest.

    Hypocrite.

  44. rickh1 says: Nov 19, 2013 10:31 AM

    I think the point is inconsistent calls there are post all over the net of kap taking the same exact hit.. But he’s not drew Bree’s in New Orleans. The league would be so much better if instead of every big hit mentality is a flag, the more waiver to letting the players play football and hold the flags more often. The game was far more entertains even just 10 years ago it’s getting sad to watch.

  45. 208niner says: Nov 19, 2013 10:31 AM

    The only problem with this masterful piece of writing is that Brooks didn’t hit princess Breezy in the neck…Ray Lewis said it the best in last nights pre-game…Brooks hit princess Breezy in the chest plate which cause him to slide down into Brooks arm…Ray even offered to pay half of any fine the lame NFL would impose…and u got to love Breezy’s statement…”uh with as hard as I got hit I knew there had to be a flag” …speaks volumes about him as a player and the culture the NFL is breading

  46. pabrownsfan says: Nov 19, 2013 10:33 AM

    Flag football is on the way.

  47. mdd913 says: Nov 19, 2013 10:33 AM

    Except, remember this that went along with the Clay Matthews hit in September?

    “Like I said last week, usually a man will tell you his bad intentions if you just listen. That certainly was a cheap shot, launching, clotheslining to the neck-head area. That was a bad play. Now back in Emlen Tunnell’s day, that was legal. In our day, that’s not legal.”

    — Jim Harbaugh

  48. tundratommy says: Nov 19, 2013 10:40 AM

    The only thing I dislike more than this rule is that gobble-gobble jive turkey talkin’ Harblaugh.

  49. jdfrox says: Nov 19, 2013 10:41 AM

    Must the rules be so complicated? Give the QBs a flag and when the defender pulls the flag he is down. Laugh all you want, but it would at least avoid these ridiculous game changing penalties for hits on QBs.

  50. sixaceduece says: Nov 19, 2013 10:45 AM

    If that’s the rule, then it’s a stupid rule! I thought this was professional football.. not Two-hand touch!

    Even when Brooks hit Brees in the shoulders, he never grabbed Brees around the neck. As Brees was falling.. YES, Brooks arm came in contact with Brees’ neck.. that should NOT be a penalty! There’s a difference between hitting somebody in the neck, and touching. Had Brooks used any force on Brees’ neck, he’d been carried off the field on a stretcher.

  51. peed1 says: Nov 19, 2013 10:46 AM

    The guy made a good play, but the rules are killing the game. 5 years ago he would have been defensive player of the week. The rule is too complicated, written by lawyers.

  52. rondayne33 says: Nov 19, 2013 10:54 AM

    Great, thanks for the rule explanation. Now go watch the replay again and you see Brooks does not even touch Brees’ neck. Harbaugh has every right to be upset

  53. headonaswivel says: Nov 19, 2013 10:55 AM

    Brooks didn’t hit him in the neck either. He hit the Brees in the upper chest, which is legal.

    It’s not his fault that Brees is the size of a High School kid and his wittle bitty neck got tweaked.

    Legal hit, period but since it’s Brees he gets the call plain and simple.

  54. vivalawaffle says: Nov 19, 2013 10:56 AM

    (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet or facemask is lower than the passer’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him.

    If you read this rule and then say that the officials made the wrong call than you don’t know how to read. Game. Set. Match. MOVE ON

  55. ilovefoolsball says: Nov 19, 2013 11:05 AM

    I find it funny that espn is saying “don’t let the late call in the panthers game take away what they did all game”. Yet that is exactly what they are doing to the saints even though the 49ers still had TWO chances to stop the saints as well as another opportunity for their inept offense to keep the ball. Cry me a river. San Fran is overrated and will have a hard time making the playoffs. Then we’ll really see some whining!

  56. vermonator says: Nov 19, 2013 11:06 AM

    Rule of thumb… If you start an argument with “the rule book specifically states” then it is a bad rule and a bad argument. (see tuck rule) which has since been abandon. Take a look at the NFL Vault or the NFL Network’s top 10 greatest hits… They advertise this. If it’s illegal then sensor it. Don’t just give penalties and fines but then glorify the same thing when trying to recruit YOUNG fans. Hypocrits all!

  57. chrisco716 says: Nov 19, 2013 11:08 AM

    Bad calls cost New England and San Fran wins this weekend. Picking up the flag on the last (Gronk) play last night was not right. Calling an illegal hit by Brooks on Brees was not right. Two huge game changers. They would have been called the opposite way in New England and San Fran. Replace the L in NFL with the word Luck. And we’re not talking Indy here.

  58. dhragonn says: Nov 19, 2013 11:10 AM

    Two problems here, the rule is ridiculous and the interpretation is wrong. The arm comes around the shoulder, the QB goes downward upon impact, ridiculous to call that.

    If I was a GM, I’d sign all vertically impaired players and I’d get 15 yards a play because the defender will either have to hit those players in the head or trip them to get them down.

    This call was a sad day for the NFL.

  59. vermonator says: Nov 19, 2013 11:10 AM

    Stop the presses! Hawks fan spotted. Your time is coming Seattle, if your not scared then why are you here?

  60. ratsfoiledagain says: Nov 19, 2013 11:14 AM

    marylandchief says: Nov 19, 2013 9:54 AM

    I hear all these talking heads, mostly ex-players, criticizing the call. One question:

    When the public quits tuning in at the rate of 25 million per game because we. Don’t want to see Chase Daniel play Brock Osweiler next week, how much are they willing to contribute to make up the difference when the networks therefore say “give us back half of that billion dollars because the ratings aren’t as expected?”
    **************
    The sporting fan will never stop tuning in. Ratings may dip from time to time, but nothing significant for long periods.

  61. saintswin says: Nov 19, 2013 11:15 AM

    Little Johnny Hairbow is the first to cry when CLAPPERJACK is chased out of bounds and pushed to the ground but thinks it was LEGIT to hit Brees in the neck area with the intention of injury. Saints defense manhandled your hand picked quarterback limiting him to 196 total offensive yards and if it wasn’t for mistakes by the Saints special teams and offense and a untimely fumble this game would have been a BLOW OUT!

  62. lionshawk says: Nov 19, 2013 11:28 AM

    The tough thing is the ref who through the flag was behind the play when it happened. All he saw was Brees head snap back. You can argue if the arm moves up to the neck area during the hit but the guy through the flag and he wasn’t even in position to make the right call, an informed call. That’s why it’s aggravating for fans. It’s not a flag by the ref from the opposite side of the field who has the angle.

  63. pmars64 says: Nov 19, 2013 11:48 AM

    Brooks made a bad play and it probably cost the Niners the game. It’s that simple. If the goal was to strip Brees of the ball, it would have been very easy to simply swipe the ball from him since he didn’t see Brooks coming. Brooks took two full and clear steps to Brees with plenty of options on what to do. If he was smart enough to go for the chest plate, he’s smart enough to have simply swatted the ball, or go lower. Instead, he makes the much more risky play of going high and worse, he follows through with the hit by hitting his neck and catching some face-mask and helmet. Watching the replay in real time from the ref’s angle, it looks like a classic clothesline. I think it would have been hard for the ref not to throw the flag.

  64. lengai says: Nov 19, 2013 11:50 AM

    nonetruerthanblue says:
    Nov 19, 2013 9:39 AM
    Crap call and one heck of a hit. You have to see the slow-motion replay on that play. Just nasty.

    Brees got hit hard, but this is football. Where are you supposed to hit the quarterback?! Maybe you should just two-hand touch them to indicate a sack. I get QB protection…every player should be protected from illegal hits, but you have to let players play even if the hit looks hard.

    ___________________________________

    Drew Brees has been sacked 22 times this season. Brooks took Brees down by the neck. 49ers fans refuse to see this and only focus on the moment of initial contact (which was in the area of the neck). You don’t get blood running down your face from a hit to the chest.

  65. johnclaytonsponytail says: Nov 19, 2013 11:50 AM

    The hit was to Brees chest. Brooks arm slid up to his head which he threw him down with. Thats called a “clothesline” which has been illegall since before I was born. Brees wouldn’t have been bleeding from the mouth if he didn’t hit him high. He wouldn’t have even fumbled the ball if he hits him legally. The league needs to protect their star players to continue to keep the ratings high…In closing, it’s only a legal hit…… if it isn’t your QB.

  66. biggestsaintsfanever says: Nov 19, 2013 11:51 AM

    mancave001 says:
    Nov 19, 2013 10:05 AM

    The rule is fine. The problem was the call. The initial contact and the force of the blow was to his upper chest, shoulder and collarbone. That call was horrendous and cost the Niners the game.
    ————————————————————————–
    Since the collarbone is a horizontal bone, there is 0% chance it took the force of the blow. Since Brook’s momentum was coming horizontally also, it glanced over the collarbone and SLAMMED into his neck and helmet, as seen on replay.

  67. slick50ks says: Nov 19, 2013 11:52 AM

    It was a clothesline. Don’t get me wrong, I used to love seeing the play when it was legal, but now it’s not.

    I don’t care if the hit starts at the ankles, if it ends up at the neck, it’s a clothesline.

    9er fans aren’t very smart though, so go figure.

  68. whodatsaybaby says: Nov 19, 2013 12:04 PM

    As I recall, the 49ers were never in that game to where they ”should have” won, if not for a penalty against Brooks. Outside of the Saints fumbling on a Punt return, an interception, and a touch back from a muffed pick 6, how many offensive points did San Fran put up??? Gimme a break. If the Saints would have never gave you those opportunities on their own mistakes, they would have put up 40 on the whiners. And lets be straight 49er fans if that wasn’t a penalty against Brees, than that was a Safety by Kap for sure. Another wards, if that turnover on the sack counted and the 49ers scored 7 off that play, than we get a safty (down by 5), with 3 minutes left and 3 timeouts. You the fans and the entire 49er faculty and Staff were never going to win this game… There’s no crying in Football!!!!!

  69. melikefootball says: Nov 19, 2013 12:07 PM

    Whiner Hairball doesn’t know the rule, yea, that is why he was crying on the sideline he hit his chest.

  70. hor2012 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:28 PM

    Ok, I’ll try this one more time. Did anyone notice the blood that was coming from the chin of Breeze. Yes, I’m a Saints fan. But, that aside anyone who says that Brooks didn’t connect to his neck I will say you’re right if you can explain how did Breeze face ended up with blood on it. And, keep in mind he hit the turf head frist. The second issue I have is that the result allowed the Saints to go down and get a field go to TIE THE GAME NOT WIN IT and the niner’s had a chance to go down and take the lead. They answered by going three and out. And, they also had the chance to stop the Saints from getting into field goal range and didn’t do it. The call itself I would agree was marginal but it didn’t cost the niner’s the game. And, one other thing. If the Saints would have turned the ball over three times it would have been a mute point any way because we would have been up like 31 to 7.

  71. Dusty Grey says: Nov 19, 2013 12:30 PM

    Florio, I know you don’t do much “lawyering” anymore, but let me help you (and the rest of the people) why this was the correct call…

    The work you SHOULD be emphasizing is the last word in the rule… “Area.”

    The defender doesn’t have to hit the player directly in the head or neck, just the “area” around the head or neck. Since Brooks close lined Brees with his arm going across and up his torso, the impact forced his head forward causing contact between Brooks bicep and Brees’ head and neck “area.”

    You don’t have to like the rule, but it was the correct call. Of course that won’t stop 49er fans from complaining about it. Frankly if it weren’t for a few bad breaks for the Saints, the 9ers would have been blown out.

    Fate cuts both ways, and frankly 9er fans have have had this car a slap coming.

  72. ratsfoiledagain says: Nov 19, 2013 12:39 PM

    Somewhere in Michigan Jim Schwartz is yelling:
    “Know the rules Harbaugh!”

  73. chawk12thman says: Nov 19, 2013 12:49 PM

    He may be making the wrong argument by not including the neck, but that hit was still not illegal and should not have been flagged. It was a close call, however. I see the reason the flag was thrown, but don’t agree that it should have been thrown.

  74. booker1974 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:58 PM

    The initial contact was the shoulder, but then Brooks clothes lined Brees and threw him down by his neck. There are clear shots of this, and by rule it’s a penalty.

    And the call didn’t cost the 49er’s the game. The lead didn’t change on the possession and there was still plenty of time. They got a stop and forced a field goal that tied the game. Then they got the ball back, did nothing with it, and gave it back to the Saints. Getting dominated in the fourth quarter is what cost them the game.

  75. faninninerland says: Nov 19, 2013 1:10 PM

    time for the babies’ to have their diapers changed. i’ll be handing out red/yellow pacifiers at the next saints vs. niners game.

  76. citynative says: Nov 19, 2013 1:15 PM

    @hor2012

    “And, one other thing. If the Saints would have turned the ball over three times it would have been a mute point any way because we would have been up like 31 to 7.”

    A lot of Saints fans using the Niners should not have been the game if were not for the “lucky” turnovers the Niners received. Using this logic, I guess the Saints should not have won the Super Bowl versus the Colts. Tracy Porter’s pick 6, and Hank Baskett dropping the onside kick were very similar. I guess the Saints were lucky to get their only SB win.

    Do I actually believe this? No. The Saints earned their SB win. But your logic can be used both ways.

  77. bigeasyvoodoo says: Nov 19, 2013 1:50 PM

    dayus49 says:
    Nov 19, 2013 9:40 AM
    That’d be because he didn’t hit the Brees in the neck or the head. He hit him on the chest and in the shoulder pad area. The whole call was nonsense.

    That being said, the game is over so the debate should be too. Nothing can change the outcome and the Niners put themselves in a position to have 1 call lose the game for them. If they were playing the way they should have been playing all year, that one call wouldn’t have mattered.
    —————————————————-
    But whiney fans just following suit from their crybaby coach-the fact is the Saints dominated game-held Niners offense to under 200 total yds. and if not for the fumbled punt which gave them easy td and the terrible call on the interception which was actually fumbled out of bounds at one yard line this wouldn’t have even been close! San Francisco’s offense is terrible-they will be one and done in playoffs……

  78. digitalsasquatch says: Nov 19, 2013 2:08 PM

    Harbawl. Sheeesh.

    Just a little more jive-turkey gobblin’ from the Master.

  79. sb44champs says: Nov 19, 2013 2:27 PM

    citynative says:
    Nov 19, 2013 1:15 PM
    @hor2012

    “And, one other thing. If the Saints would have turned the ball over three times it would have been a mute point any way because we would have been up like 31 to 7.”

    A lot of Saints fans using the Niners should not have been the game if were not for the “lucky” turnovers the Niners received. Using this logic, I guess the Saints should not have won the Super Bowl versus the Colts. Tracy Porter’s pick 6, and Hank Baskett dropping the onside kick were very similar. I guess the Saints were lucky to get their only SB win.

    Do I actually believe this? No. The Saints earned their SB win. But your logic can be used both ways.
    ==============================
    He was referring to ‘unforced’ turnovers… Tracey Porter’s pick 6 in SB44 was ‘forced’ so you really cant compare the two…. If it wasn’t for Saints ‘unforced’ turnovers, Saints would have won by 3 TDs

  80. shatho1 says: Nov 19, 2013 2:45 PM

    I am so sick of these patriot fans whining about the flag being picked up even if they would’ve got the call the outcome wouldn’t have been any different they still would’ve lost so get over it and get ready to lose to the broncos next week

  81. dougefresh47 says: Nov 19, 2013 5:36 PM

    If you ask Harbaugh, the only reason the Niners ever lose a game is by blown calls. Shut the hell up and take it like a man.

  82. seaeagle707 says: Nov 19, 2013 6:29 PM

    The slo-mo clearly showed the impact to the neck, so hats off to the zebra that saw it in “real time”. Methinks that the League had better tell Harbaugh, that using chainsaws is illegal too. If he doesn’t know the basics, what else doesn’t he know?

  83. realitycheckbaby says: Nov 19, 2013 8:46 PM

    thereisfootballwestofjersey says: Nov 19, 2013 9:31 AM

    For the 20th time, Brooks didn’t “hit” Brees in the neck or head. He hit him in the chest. Historically bad officiating in week 11. This call and the defensive holding non call on Luke Kuechly last night cost two teams their wins.

    The zebras are determining teams’ playoff seeding which is totally unacceptable. As Lombardi said – “What the hell is goin on out there?”
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    Picture’s worth a thousand words.

    He hit him in the neck.

  84. realitycheckbaby says: Nov 19, 2013 8:49 PM

    “Like I said last week, usually a man will tell you his bad intentions if you just listen. That certainly was a cheap shot, launching, clotheslining to the neck-head area. That was a bad play. Now back in Emlen Tunnell’s day, that was legal. In our day, that’s not legal.”

    – Jim Harbaugh

    Crybaugh seemed to have forgotten it since this quote.

  85. realitycheckbaby says: Nov 19, 2013 8:50 PM

    Although everyone should lighten up on Harbaugh.

    Y’all think it’s easy to be an actor? Takes time. Can’t do it right and coach at the same time. Something’s got to give.

    I-FORMATION, I-FORMATION

  86. dleclair2013 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:36 PM

    First downs Saints 23, 49ers 12……Net yards saints 387, 49ers 196…..time of possesion saints 34:39, 49ers 25:21. Why don’t we stop focusing on the one play and realize the 49ers were only in the game b/c the saints gift wrapped a couple of TD’s off of brutal unforced turnovers. The saints ran the ball better, played better D and the 49ers couldn’t do jack on offense all game. The penalty happened with 3:12 left on the clock. What makes anyone think the outcome of a 49ers drive starting then would have been any different then the one that started at 2:06. THREE AND OUT!!!the only difference would be more time on the clock for Brees to march down the field to set up the game tying field goal or more likely the game winning TD. 49er fans need to stop being cry babies and realize the reason they lost the game was the saints were the better team. Kap running out of bounds on 3rd down and the moronic hit on the fair catch didn’t hurt either. (P.S. the call was absolutely the right call. The fact that initial contact was 3.7 cm below the neck and rolled into the neck is moot. it was a violent hit to “the neck area” that was unnecessary and if he hits lower they probably still force the turn over b/c brees had no idea he was coming. Brooks has no one to blame but himself. Much less than that has drawn a flag for roughing the passer. Whether or not you agree with the rule the way it is written is another matter)

  87. snaxdsp says: Nov 19, 2013 9:37 PM

    But Niners fans….I thought it was legal?? Lmao

  88. genericuser8888 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:06 AM

    The rule is meant to protect quarterbacks from unnecessary injury because blindside hits are the most dangerous for quarterbacks.

    Brooks hit Brees in such a manner this his initial hit appeared legal, but he allowed his bicep to clothesline Brees.

    “Incidental” or not, that’s how necks get broken. Have you guys seen the picture of Bree’s neck? He looks like a freaking giraffe in some of those pictures.

    Defenders should hit quarterbacks in the torso area, wrap them up and bring them down. Defenders have to watch where they hit the qb throughout the ENTIRE tackle. That’s how you prevent injuries, especially when you hit them blindside.

    We’ve already seen one HOF qb almost retire due to neck injuries, do we really want to see another?

    I can’t blame 49ers fans for being upset, but like I said, the rule is made to protect QB’s, and those defensive players have to take care not to injure people throughout the entire tackling process.

    So, overall, good call. Maybe it’s a little too “flag footballish” for some people, but I think the message here is right. I don’t wanna see a QB leave the field one day with a broken neck because someone didn’t follow the tackling rulebook. I can live with a few less “big hits” if it means a more safety. And yea, I remember back in the good old days when big hits were glorified…but at the end of the day, I like the new rules better because I actually like seeing my players stay on the field and play than have to be carted off and sit out multiple games due to needless injuries because of “big hits” or whatever. The entertainment of the big hit or the “tough guy” routine just doesn’t cut it for me. I’d rather see my guys healthy and out on the field. If that goes for the competition too, then so be it.

  89. nowillrepeat says: Nov 20, 2013 10:46 AM

    If that hit happens on Kap, the niners are screaming for a flag. This story is a complete joke.

    Also, what do you think happens if Frank Gore catches that pass?

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