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Rob Gronkowski: I’m not going to make an excuse that he held me

Luke Kuechly, Rob Gronkowski AP

Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski, who was grabbed in the end zone by Panthers linebacker Luke Kuechly on the controversial final play of Monday night’s game, said he didn’t want to make any excuses after New England’s loss.

But in saying that, Gronkowski made clear that he believes the flag thrown on Kuechly should not have been picked up.

“We don’t make excuses,” Gronkowski said, via the Boston Herald. “I’m not trying to sit here and make an excuse that he held me at the end of the game. The game is four quarters long. It’s won throughout all four quarters, not just the last play of the game. We’ve just got to keep working hard, keep sticking together and keep on fighting.”

Although back judge Terrence Miles flagged Kuechly for pass interference, referee Clete Blakeman ruled the ball uncatchable. But Gronkowski has made a lot of catches in traffic in his career, and he would have had a shot at catching that one, without Kuechly draped all over him.

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  1. eigglesnosuperbowls says: Nov 19, 2013 6:46 AM

    But you are !

  2. jkibler1 says: Nov 19, 2013 6:47 AM

    Hey Rob, two words: “Tuck Rule”

  3. 8man says: Nov 19, 2013 6:54 AM

    And there I was, seeing and then reading about that horrific call in the Saints-Niners game thinking to myself, “Well someone else other than my Patriots finally got screwed by these refs…”

    Doh!

    So the Patriots push their own man in the back on a field goal attempt and it’s a penalty. But an opposing player draped on Gronk during a pass into the end zone and it’s uncatchable.

    This is getting hard to digest.

  4. titansbro says: Nov 19, 2013 6:55 AM

    Because he knows he had no shot to catch that ball. He didn’t even try to fight for position because the ball was out in the front of the end zone in a place that he had no chance of getting to. Most of the contact LK had on him was after the ball was intercepted.

  5. freedomofspeechnoway says: Nov 19, 2013 6:59 AM

    Wouldn’t Gronk have had to at least be the intended receiver for that call to stick?

  6. steelersaregodsteam says: Nov 19, 2013 7:00 AM

    Held or not, that ball was thrown into triple coverage. We can feel comfortable knowing that a hold wouldn’t have really changed the outcome in that situation.

  7. sleetmiles says: Nov 19, 2013 7:00 AM

    I liked the explanation for the call. The ball was way under thrown. Gronk was not impeded from going where he wanted to go. The other DB had position and made a play on the ball. Gronk gave up on the play. The DB picked it off. No way Gronk can come back for that ball and catch it (a) b/c he was too far away and didn’t try and (b) the DB had position and pic’ed it. Thus it was the RIGHT call.

    It’s sorta like a baseball runner who gets interfered with then gives up on the play. That’s not interference, even if the runner would have been safe. Here, Gronk not only did not try, but there was no way he makes that play with the ball thrown short and the other DB being in position. NE fan is looking for a gift and is playing victim when they didn’t earn it in the field.

    Had Gronk made an attempt to come back for the ball it would have been a closer call. But he didn’t. So it’s moot. No harm, no foul. Clean uncontested pic on an under thrown ball. Good no call.

  8. dicksquared says: Nov 19, 2013 7:03 AM

    Carolina never impeded Gronks path to the ball, his own momentum did.

    That was not good officiating, it was GREAT officiating.

  9. friendofinnocence says: Nov 19, 2013 7:08 AM

    He was being held and pushed to the back of the end zone.

  10. turfdaddy says: Nov 19, 2013 7:09 AM

    Of course Tom Brady was whining about it!! He whines if someone breathes hard on him. And when he does they usually get a flag thrown on them for it.

    It’s about time the Patriots DIDN’T get a call to go in their favor. #tuckrule #payback

  11. turfdaddy says: Nov 19, 2013 7:11 AM

    BTW…how good are the odds makers in Vegas? O/U of 47 or so and Panthers -3. Last play on MNF decided every wager.

  12. baltimorons says: Nov 19, 2013 7:14 AM

    Gronk mad!

  13. easternboltfan says: Nov 19, 2013 7:17 AM

    Love all the Pats fans on here crying and downvoting like crazy. Anytime someone even gives Brady a dirty look, the refs throw a flag.

    Gronk said it right “The game is four quarters long. It’s won throughout all four quarters, not just the last play of the game.”

  14. doctorrustbelt says: Nov 19, 2013 7:22 AM

    Lester OWNED tom brady.

    Even if Gronk was held…. Gronk was WAY TO DEEP at the moment of recognizing his need to go back for the ball. He would have had to climb over Lester’s back just to knock the ball out of his hands.

    Lester broke for tom brady’s poorly thrown ball so early that gronk didn’t readjust to come back until Lester was 3-4 yards in front of him (and the ball).

  15. doctorrustbelt says: Nov 19, 2013 7:24 AM

    Another tom brady interception excuse.

    SEE: brady’s poorly thrown ball to Wes Welker (NOT Welker’s fault)

  16. jgedgar70 says: Nov 19, 2013 7:24 AM

    Let’s not forget that Gronk was 4 yards behind the ball with 2 defensive backs between him and the ball. “Uncatchable” is a legitimate explanation.

  17. steelfla says: Nov 19, 2013 7:24 AM

    Terrible no call…but I love it!!!!!!!!!

  18. flash1283 says: Nov 19, 2013 7:26 AM

    titansbro says: Nov 19, 2013 6:55 AM

    Because he knows he had no shot to catch that ball. He didn’t even try to fight for position because the ball was out in the front of the end zone in a place that he had no chance of getting to. Most of the contact LK had on him was after the ball was intercepted.

    “Most of the contact LK had on him was after the ball was intercepted.”

    No he was being held when the ball was in there air.
    there is a pic of it everywhere, stop trying to be the contrarian

  19. george1859 says: Nov 19, 2013 7:26 AM

    The Pats have benefitted from hundreds of calls in their favor, like the infamous Tuck Rule. That play, which screwed the Raiders out of a Super Bowl, seemed to be more than acceptable to Brady and company at the time.
    Suck it up, you are still WAAAAY ahead.

  20. Akula says: Nov 19, 2013 7:36 AM

    Gronk cut in….Gronk get held….uncatchable ball gets caught. Whats the big issue????

  21. truthfactory says: Nov 19, 2013 7:40 AM

    His momentum was completely going towards the back goalline and the ball was pretty well underthrown. He would have to jump backwards against the momentum of his body about 5 yards and get through 2 players for him to have made that catch.

    Yes he was held, but I honestly think there was no way he woukd have caught it. He barely even made an effort as it was even though he was being held.

  22. bluepike says: Nov 19, 2013 7:41 AM

    It’s astounding how referees can confer with what they would like us to believe is diligence, or “go under the hood” for an extended period of time, and still get the call wrong. First of all, how can Gronkowski make a play on the ball when he’s being held and pushed in a direction away from the ball? Secondly, how often have we’ve seen a pass go incomplete on one side of the field when defensive holding is being called on the opposite side of the field while the ball is already in the air? Wouldn’t this be an uncatchable ball for that receiver? Of course it would – but the ref’s call will stand.

    Another blown call and black-eye for the NFL. Now one of two things will happen – either the league will admit the error and apologize without fining or penalizing the ref or they will stonewall their mistake and hide behind their flimsy explanation. Either way – the Pats got hosed. End of story.

  23. gborange says: Nov 19, 2013 7:44 AM

    Don’t complain about the call. If Mr. Bündchen had put a little more on the throw it would have been interference, but how was the defender to know the ball was under thrown by 10 yards.

  24. gmsingh123 says: Nov 19, 2013 7:44 AM

    We’ll find out later that Gronk had too much groin pain to complete the catch.

  25. joetoronto says: Nov 19, 2013 7:46 AM

    The Pats can no longer complain about a call because of the tuck rule game.

    The snow job in New England offsets any and all bad calls going forward.

    Boofrigginhoo.

  26. reebs33 says: Nov 19, 2013 7:46 AM

    Just a horrible decision to pick up the flag. Would Gronk have caught the ball? Probably not. The question is COULD he have caught the ball without being interfered with? Maybe, and that is why the call should have stood.

    Perhaps Gronk could have sold it more by flailing his arms and complaining like many receivers do, but then again his arms were pinned to his sides, so he really couldn’t do that.

    The NFL needs to admonish the refs for this one.

  27. jhop86 says: Nov 19, 2013 7:48 AM

    @8MAN I agree those calls are bad… Not as bad as the tuck rule I still think it should have never existed

  28. bruiseddeath says: Nov 19, 2013 7:54 AM

    Simple enough here. Pass interference it was not due to being uncatchable. Since he was being held before the ball was touched/intercepted, it should have been a holding call plain and simple. By the way, this is from an unbiased Cleveland Brown (Yes pity me ;) ) fan. So I cared not who won this game. Enjoyed it as a football fan and a hold should have been called.

  29. rjkilla says: Nov 19, 2013 7:55 AM

    it was badly under thrown due to the pressure…therefore uncatchable

  30. thesmartest1 says: Nov 19, 2013 7:55 AM

    There’s that elitist attitude we’re used to.

  31. jbeagles23 says: Nov 19, 2013 8:00 AM

    Tiransbro you don’t actually beleive that. Watch it again. Most the contact was before Brady threw it and if it wasn’t P.I than it was holding. That was a blown call and everyone knows it

  32. qdog112 says: Nov 19, 2013 8:08 AM

    That’s what you did Gronk. You made an excuse.

  33. tigerlilac says: Nov 19, 2013 8:10 AM

    titansbro, the ball went to where Gronk was before he was physically grabbed with two hands and pushed out of the spot. The player intercepting the pass would of had to of run through Gronk to make the interception if Gronk had not been held and pushed. Did you see an incredulous Gruden after the game? How about two Hall of Famers (Steve Young and Ray Lewis) and a Super Bowl Winner (Trent Dilfer) who also said it was a clear pass interference penalty? How about the fact that that back judge threw the flag? Any particular reason you think you understand the game better than those four guys? Another great game marred by poor officiating at the end.

  34. jonsilver1947 says: Nov 19, 2013 8:11 AM

    The eventual call was correct: Gronkowski was 4-5 yards past the ball and, if Kuechly wasn’t there, Gronkowski had way too much momentum away from the ball to be able to plant and successfully dive back the opposite way in time to reach Lester before he clearly has possession and ends the game. Looking at it in real time is the key.

  35. ccshocktalk says: Nov 19, 2013 8:13 AM

    The Patriots got everything called all game long, this wasn’t a game of them getting shafted.

    a ball that is thrown at the goal line while a player is in the back end of the end zone, 10 yards away, is not a catchable ball considering he would have had to plow through Luke, and through the safety that intercepted the ball.

    Fat chance.

    This was a horribly thrown ball that Tommy wants back, and because his TE wasn’t in position with or without the pass interference it was a no call.

  36. dualprime says: Nov 19, 2013 8:14 AM

    From Clete Blakeman: “So it was determined at that point in time that when the primary contact occurred on the tight end that the ball, in essence, was coming in underthrown and in essence it was immediate at that point intercepted at the front end of the end zone. So there was a determination that, in essence, uncatchability, that the ball was intercepted at or about the same time the primary contact against the receiver occurred.”

  37. ctiggs says: Nov 19, 2013 8:14 AM

    Pats fans, i understand your pain. Cant beat the opponent and the refs.

    – Niners Fan

  38. nesuperfan says: Nov 19, 2013 8:18 AM

    He was not held…that was a total mugging. You don’t see too many PI calls that at THAT obvious. The Carolina guy could, rightly, be described as a drapery. Gronk might not have caught that ball, but pro football player move very quickly, and had the defender not been all over Gronk, he might have had a shot…now we will never know.

  39. chiadam says: Nov 19, 2013 8:18 AM

    The Pats have been on the happy end of tons of bad calls (tuck rule tuck rule tuck rule tuck rule) in the last decade or so. So when one call does not go their way, everyone needs to just shut up.

  40. TheWizard says: Nov 19, 2013 8:20 AM

    No big deal. Score more points in the game, and it doesn’t come down to the last second.

    What lost the game was the Pats D having no answer for Cam’s runs.

  41. TheDPR says: Nov 19, 2013 8:23 AM

    If not pass interference due to it being uncatchable, it was at least defensive holding, which can occur anywhere on the field, and obviously did. Should have been 5 yards and one more play for the Patriots.

  42. tigerlilac says: Nov 19, 2013 8:25 AM

    From Clete Blakeman: “So it was determined at that point in time that when the primary contact occurred on the tight end that the ball, in essence, was coming in underthrown and in essence it was immediate at that point intercepted at the front end of the end zone. So there was a determination that, in essence, uncatchability, that the ball was intercepted at or about the same time the primary contact against the receiver occurred.”

    “it was determined”: the definition of determined is having made a firm decision and being resolved not to change it. I am sorry, the exact opposite happened.

    “the ball was intercepted at or about the same time the primary contact against the receiver occurred”: no, the primary contact took place exactly where the ball was thrown prior to the ball getting there and the player was grabbed with two hands and moved from that spot.

  43. dualprime says: Nov 19, 2013 8:31 AM

    Biggest mistake was the refs NOT explaining the call to the viewing audience! Had they done that, the Pats would have been incensed and the rest of the civilized world very happy whether we agreed or not.

  44. tigerlilac says: Nov 19, 2013 8:37 AM

    I doubt we will see Mr. Boyer refereeing and Patriots games the remainder of the season. Nor would I expect to see him assigned to any playoff games. Shouldn’t you need indisputable proof to change that call if you are the head ref? That is literally two games the refs have given to Patriots opponents out of three losses this year. It hurts the run for home field advantage but it will build an us against the world mentality between the players and coaches the rest of the way.

  45. phinatic29 says: Nov 19, 2013 8:38 AM

    uncatchable or not that was still a penalty, if not PI then clearly illegal contact.

    That call is as bad as the replacement refs “fail mary”.

    so i guess this is good officiating?

    BTW – Dolphin fan that would love New England to lose every game …… just not like that.

  46. bullcharger says: Nov 19, 2013 8:39 AM

    jkibler1 says:
    Nov 19, 2013 6:47 AM
    Hey Rob, two words: “Tuck Rule”

    —————-

    By karma logic, in 2001 the Patriots were just getting even for the 1976 game against Oakland where a phantom roughing the passer call that cost the Patriots a chance at the Super Bowl. Look it up!

    However, in reality there is no karma in football. Bad calls just happen at bad times and it affects the outcome of games.

  47. xxsweepthelegxx says: Nov 19, 2013 8:43 AM

    There is no excuse for the lack of explanation. The back judge threw a flag meaning he thought there was either a) pass interference or at least b) holding. Yet the judge on the sideline over ruled him?

    Not to mention, “uncatchable ball” is for sidelines and endzones per the rule book, NOT on underthrows so “Clete” needs to re-read the rule book.

    I would have been fine if they DIDNT throw a flag and said, “we’re just letting them play out there.” Fine. But they DID throw a flag.

    NFL, make a statement saying the call was missed and move on. Just dont hide behind the ref and say the call was correct.

  48. johnelwayishorsefaced says: Nov 19, 2013 8:46 AM

    Oh well. The media darling Patriots get so many bs calls in their favor that it’s refreshing to see things go the other way for a change. It was priceless to watch Brady whine to the refs like a little girl at the end of the game.

  49. 3taintedchampionships2biglosses says: Nov 19, 2013 8:49 AM

    Patriots just can’t ever catch a break!!!!!

  50. dstroi says: Nov 19, 2013 8:50 AM

    Ahhh yes the “hey you had the tuck rule so karma is a beeotch” comments are trolling today. Awesome. How about this penalty that happened and not the past? But bare in mind that the refs were basically assuming that Gronkowski could not have mad that play. Remind me to call up the refs for the winning power ball numbers since they can see the future before anyone else and determine what the outcome is going to be. If it is a penalty then it is a penalty. I do not care if it happens in the 1st, 2nd or 4th quarter of a game for any team. If you hold a player in the endzone even if that player is on the other side of the endzone it’s still an infraction plain in simple. You throw the flag, live by it. Don’t pick it up and leave especially not giving the team an explanation. If they were so confident in their final decision, then why leave so quickly without explaining to them why the call resulted in a no penalty call? To the people who say that Gronkowski was complaining, what should he say? “Great call by the refs tonight, I wasn’t being held, he was just giving me a big hug”? Was the ball underthrown? yes, but it still does not negate the fact that it was a penalty either way. Either way, it was a great game to watch but sad that it had to end the way that it did. The Panthers played a great game. Watch out for Cam Newton because he will continue to excel in this league on his way to being an elite quarterback. They made more plays than the Pats did and their defense stepped up when they needed to. Great win for Carolina and I am a Pats fan :)

  51. breakpt15 says: Nov 19, 2013 8:56 AM

    First off, no way he catches that ball. His momentum was carrying him away from a ball well under thrown that even Brady admitted…
    Not saying a penalty couldn’t of been called but Karma is a bitch. It took 10 years since they taped the Panthers practice before the Superbowl but it did finally bite their ass.

  52. thegronk87 says: Nov 19, 2013 8:56 AM

    The thing i don’t get is why stve smith was acting like was all that throughout the game…he’ll still have zero super bowls by the time he retires.

  53. fnf417 says: Nov 19, 2013 8:57 AM

    * by this win for the panthers I’m not a fan of either team but it seems to me NE got screwed and real interested to see how the game turns out next week with Denver,who are the NFL gonna have the refs screw in that one

  54. fnf417 says: Nov 19, 2013 8:59 AM

    The officiating is the worst I’ve seen in years…..are they still using replacement refs?

  55. mrlaloosh says: Nov 19, 2013 8:59 AM

    Live by the sword, die by the sword. That’s payback for the MANY times the Patriots have been ” gifted” wins because Kraft is buddy-buddy with Goodell.
    I’m sure Mr Kraft will have these refs doing Falcon and Texans games for the foreseeable future.
    The NFL knows the Patriots will easily win the NFC East so they need to boost the ratings for Carolina’s future games.

  56. packerbackersince71 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:00 AM

    … Dear Sweet Jesus … Love that Karma Factor , it will ALWAYS catch up with You !!! …

  57. dsmall2013 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:02 AM

    Let us not forget the leg whip at the start of the second half. It took out the best defensive lineman which might have stopped Brady earlier. No penalty on that either.

  58. 4thand29 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:05 AM

    Like death, taxes, and the sun rising in the east, one of the things in life that we can be most certain about is that every week, fans of losing teams will whine about the refs. Football games are decided over four quarters, not just one play. If you want to win, take advantage of your opportunities throughout the game.

  59. hellafiedfc says: Nov 19, 2013 9:05 AM

    Welcome to Roger Goodells “NEW” “SAFER” NFL…where players dont decide the out come of games…only referees.

  60. RoofDude says: Nov 19, 2013 9:06 AM

    Hilarious listening to Raiders fans still cry about the tuck rule…lol. How many years ago was that..?

    Doesnt change the fact that was a terrible hankie pick up. Obvious pass interference. Game may have ended the same, we’ll never know. However, would rather it have ended legit, than the way it did. Pats should’ve had one more play from the 1yd line.

  61. bnwillard says: Nov 19, 2013 9:13 AM

    Gronk – Ice up, son!

  62. rippedoffhead says: Nov 19, 2013 9:16 AM

    had the Panthers been 3-6, and not the competitive, defensive juggernaut they have developed to be, the refs/NFL definitely would have given Brady and the Pats a chance to win from the 1 yard line…

    which, by the way, people need to understand that the Panthers weren’t handed the game… the Pats still would have had to score from the 1. Sounds easy enough, but goal line stuffs happen all the time.

  63. cunninghampeetemcnabbvick says: Nov 19, 2013 9:18 AM

    The refs made the right call in this case and the better team won.

  64. aljack88 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:20 AM

    ..”Yes he was held, but I honestly think there was no way he woukd have caught it. He barely even made an effort as it was even though he was being held”…

    The key word here in your statement is “held”, which I do believe defensive holding is a penalty and an automatic 1st down. The final play of a game, or 1st half, cannot end on a penalty called on the defense.

    For all you “tuck rule” karma tools, that rule was not created for Brady. It had been called prior to that game that same season, at least one time in favor of the Jets. I do believe the rule was created when Montana was still playing and more designed to protect him. And if you think the Raiders got hosed with that bad call and the Pats are getting their just dues, you are either too young to remember or have purposely forgotten the Raiders-Pats 1976 playoff game in Oakland. Still the biggest black cloud over the NFL officiating of a playoff game. The head ref of that game, Ben Dreith, never did a Pats’ game again. The Raiders’ players were quoted in the locker room after the game saying how amazed they were at what they were getting away with. In regards to the Raiders, there will never be enough “tuck rule” games to satisfy me.

  65. azarkhan says: Nov 19, 2013 9:23 AM

    Nice to see the anti-Patriot whiners, excuse me, haters, are out in full force. One of these decades I’m sure you guys will get a life. Meanwhile, this year the Patriots will be in the playoffs (again). Enjoy!

  66. nite2al says: Nov 19, 2013 9:23 AM

    You guys are a joke!

    How can Gronk catch a pass he never attempted to catch in the first place?

  67. aljack88 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:25 AM

    ccshocktalk says:
    Nov 19, 2013 8:13 AM
    The Patriots got everything called all game long, this wasn’t a game of them getting shafted.
    ——————————————————–

    seriously? did you see the 1st penalty called against the Pats, Connolly’s “block in the back”?
    They showed the replay which even the voicey Gruden was silent.

  68. cgsuddeath says: Nov 19, 2013 9:25 AM

    Funny how people on ESPN and the NFL Network cry about this call but have nothing to say about the obvious holding in the New Orleans game and the leg whip in yesterdays game.It’s called Karma.

  69. jamaltimore says: Nov 19, 2013 9:26 AM

    Dude you were still running past the ball and it was poorly underthrown into quadruple coverage. Tom Lady get’s enough help from the Ref’s and spying throughout his career he certainly didn’t deserve a call last night.

  70. schmokes says: Nov 19, 2013 9:27 AM

    I’m sure the patriots film crew has some footage from different angles to look at.

  71. teek77 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:27 AM

    Did anyone else notice that the ESPN commentators (with the exception of Gruden) crying the loudest about the last call were the ones that had picked the Patriots to win the game during the Pre-game show? They were committed to pull for the Pats. And, we all know how much pro football players hate to lose!! Their discussion was completely prejudiced!

  72. scroton says: Nov 19, 2013 9:36 AM

    Brady threw the ball short because he knew Gronk was covered and his best shot at scoring was to get the penalty and go from the 1. Refs sniffed it out and put an end to that nonsense.

  73. kate773 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:37 AM

    Gronkowski was a total of 5 feet behind the guy who caught the ball. Gronkowski can cover 5 feet in 2 steps and would have, had he not been mugged. It was not “clearly underthrown” if the guy 5 feet in front of him caught it in the air.

    This is very simple. I can admit as a Pats fan they got lucky in the Saints game a few weeks ago on that non-holding call. If you can’t look at this play and see, at the very least, holding on the play (although its clearly PI), then you’re looking at this through Patriot hater glasses. I get it, you hate the Pats, totally fine. You’re completely happy about the call. Again, fine. But you have no credibility if you can’t admit the Pats CLEARLY got hosed on that play.

  74. krispyone says: Nov 19, 2013 9:37 AM

    How can it be deemed uncatchable when the receiver was being held?? If you watch replays and look at the stills, he was being held almost at the same time as when the ball left Bradys hand. At the very least this should have been holding, or face gaurding and the ball should have been moved 5 yds closer and a untimed down should have been awrded to the Patriots

  75. azarkhan says: Nov 19, 2013 9:37 AM

    Unfortunately, thanks to the referees, the Carolina Panthers victory is tainted. Put an asterisk next to it.

  76. hanifmiller says: Nov 19, 2013 9:39 AM

    Bad call. But it’s kind of ironic that Pats fans are complaining about cheating.

  77. cdoyle444cdoyle444 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:44 AM

    Funny that on the Panthers game winning TD drive McCourtey did the same thing and got flagged when that ball was clearly “uncatchable” as well. If your going to call it one way…be consistent!

  78. saint970 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:48 AM

    ctiggs says:
    Nov 19, 2013 8:14 AM
    Pats fans, i understand your pain. Cant beat the opponent and the refs.

    – Niners Fan

    As your coach once said of Lions’ coach Schwartz, “Know the rules”

    Fact: If Gronkowski makes an effort to come back to the ball, he gets the call.

    Fact#2: He should have gotten the call anyway.

  79. dvdman123 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:49 AM

    Picking up the flag was a mistake, it was interference no if, ands or buts about it. But the Patroits shouldn’t have been in that position had they not fumble deep in Carolina territory in the first half. Anyway both teams played a heck of game especially the Patriots considering how depleted their defense is and being on the road. They did expose some kinks in that Panthers defense in the 4th quarter and I’m sure the Saints made of note of that last night. By the way I hope one of the two games (Panthers/Saints) is flexed to Sunday Night Football.

  80. harrisonhits2 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:50 AM

    All you idiots who act like the Pats have never had calls against them have no clue. Like any other team the Pats have had their fair share of crap calls.

    That said, this call made zero difference on the game. The Pats had plenty of chances to turn things their way. The Ridley fumble, dropped interception etc. If they had played their best the game was there’s. They didn’t so they lost.

    Carolina played a great game, congrats Panthers fans.

  81. beastmode5150 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:51 AM

    He made no effort.

  82. robisindy says: Nov 19, 2013 9:51 AM

    “ILLEGAL CONTACT BEYOND FIVE-YARD ZONE
    Beyond the five-yard zone, if the player who receives the snap remains in the pocket with the ball, a defender may use his hands or arms only to defend or protect himself against impending contact caused by a receiver. If the receiver attempts to evade the defender, the defender cannot chuck him, or extend an arm(s) to cut off or hook him, causing contact that redirects, restricts, or impedes the receiver in any way.
    INCIDENTAL CONTACT BEYOND FIVE-YARD ZONE
    Beyond the five-yard zone, incidental contact may exist between receiver and defender as long as it does not materially affect or significantly impede the receiver, creating a distinct advantage.”

    I hate the Pats, but the fact that they didn’t at least call illegal contact on that play for Kuechly wrapping him up outside of the 5 yard window is a joke.

  83. manolobluth says: Nov 19, 2013 9:56 AM

    I can see how this could not be considered pass interference. The ball was well under thrown. However, it doesn’t matter if it was un-catchable or not. It should have been illegal contact. We see flags in the secondary away from the play all the time for this very reason. You cannot man handle a receiver like that under any circumstances.

  84. whoisrdymlz says: Nov 19, 2013 10:03 AM

    It was the right call. Brady threw it short and it was going to be intercepted whether Kuechly was on Gronk or not. The refs did get one PI call wrong, however. The throw to Dobson at the :13 second mark was also uncatchable. It was several feet too high. The refs called that PI which is the only thing that even allowed that last play to happen.

    So, you see, the Panthers were the team that had to beat both their opponent and the officials.

  85. steelcitywhitty says: Nov 19, 2013 10:07 AM

    For me it would have been a penalty if only Gronk and Kuechly were the only players in the immediate area. Kuechly cannot initiate that much contact. But with the safety in positon to undercut the route and make the play on the underthrown pass Gronk really did not have a realistic shot a catching the ball. Also, if the ball is tipped (intercepted in this case) by another player in front of the receiver, isn’t all contact allowed?

  86. vtpack says: Nov 19, 2013 10:10 AM

    If Kuechly was not even in the play, the only way Gronk would have even touched the ball, let alone make the catch, was if he suddenly was able to defy the laws of physics and teleport to where the ball was thrown.

  87. gsomatt says: Nov 19, 2013 10:11 AM

    Uncatchable.

    Had the other Panther who intercepted the ball not been there, then yea, it’s a penalty.

    But it was intercepted prior to the illegal contact.

  88. indytom87 says: Nov 19, 2013 10:13 AM

    Gronk: “I am really upset about our loss. I would elaborate but I am late for an after-party at a club downtown Charlotte.

  89. ziplock10 says: Nov 19, 2013 10:22 AM

    Can’t say I’m sorry. But that was a lame call. The interception could have been broken up if Gronk wasn’t held..

    Guess Peyton was pounding the Lazy Boy on that one!!

  90. sleetmiles says: Nov 19, 2013 10:24 AM

    Far better argument for holding than interfering with an uncatchable ball. NE’s LT, who was beaten badly, had his arms wrapped around Car’s DE. Oh, you only meant holding by Car. NE got away with no calls all day. Smith was getting mugged. Cannon leg whipped Car’s stud DE. On the last play of the game, no calls happen all the time. Bottom line: Gronk made no attempt for the well under thrown ball, which was pic’ed. No way he even “competes” for the ball even without the interference. He was already in Randy Moss mode.

  91. therealtrenches says: Nov 19, 2013 10:27 AM

    The end zone camera makes that ball look totally catchable.

    I think the refs blew this one.

    And if the uniforms (and the scoreboard) were switched, you’d all by crying about the Pats getting yet another call. So shut your pie-holes.

  92. slick50ks says: Nov 19, 2013 10:50 AM

    He was definitely interfered with, but I have no problem with it at all.

    The Patsies have been handed many bad calls in the past, and it’s high time it started catching up with them.

    The dynasty that’s been over for almost a decade now is again, officially over.

  93. dualprime says: Nov 19, 2013 10:53 AM

    The ref that threw the flag called PI not seeing if the ball was catchable. He then asked the other refs and they said no, it was not catchable. He can’t backtrack and say “in that case I’m calling holding.” Sorry, it just doesn’t work that way.

  94. morty999 says: Nov 19, 2013 10:58 AM

    What’s the word I’m looking for……..uh…..ummm……Karma, yeah that’s it.

  95. jolink653 says: Nov 19, 2013 10:58 AM

    I’m interested to hear what calls the Patriots have gotten over the years that “won them games”…forget the Tuck Rule, which happened over a decade ago…someone show me where the Patriots have won a game or gotten the benefit of an awful call, because I can name a couple times off the top of my head where the Patriots have gotten completely screwed by the refs in big situations:

    Ben Watson slapping the ball out of Champ Bailey’s hand in 2005 playoffs; ball rolled into the endzone and out of bounds, but the ball was somehow ruled out before the endzone;

    Reche Caldwell getting mugged on a long pass into the endzone in the AFC Championship game…pass was in the air and the defender just tackled Caldwell, well before the ball was there, and nothing was called

    Twice in the playoffs, and now twice this season, and that’s just off the top of my head…I assume most of you who whine about the Patriots know nothing about what calls they get when, and for those who say Brady gets all the calls, actually look at the statistics and you’ll see he is in the bottom five of roughing the passer calls, but I’m sure you know that and just choose to be ignorant because you hate the team

  96. doctormantistoboggan says: Nov 19, 2013 11:07 AM

    Gronk immediately grabbed his wooden club, donned a buffalo skinned onsey, and returned to the cave to make fire and eat meat.

  97. morty999 says: Nov 19, 2013 11:13 AM

    gsomatt says:
    Nov 19, 2013 10:11 AM
    Uncatchable.

    Had the other Panther who intercepted the ball not been there, then yea, it’s a penalty.

    But it was intercepted prior to the illegal contact.
    __________________________________

    You obviously did not see the play then, because the contact was absolutely prior to the interception, that can’t even be debated………. and I hate the Pats.

  98. whatjusthapped says: Nov 19, 2013 11:16 AM

    Its actually fun to hear from the Patriot fan base on how the refs screwed them yet again.

    Its called karma and the balance on the scale has yet to tip far enough to make up for the Tuck Rule and the 3 Lombardi’s helped thru illegal videotaping.

  99. rippedoffhead says: Nov 19, 2013 11:17 AM

    @cdoyle444cdoyle444

    The difference is that the ball wasn’t intercepted before it got to Olsen…

    If Chandler Jones happened to jump up and snag that pass, no interference would have been called. Lester jumped in front of everything and picked it off. Get over it, realize that all calls/flags will not be beneficial to your team.

  100. cropslx says: Nov 19, 2013 11:19 AM

    What about the NO CALL on the LEG WHIP that took out our BEST defensive end for 2 quarters. That was on purpose and I am hoping he gets fined. I thought our pass rush suffered greatly because of that!! Boo Hoo

  101. pongonfl says: Nov 19, 2013 11:24 AM

    The whole Pats air game last night was based on penalty calls, its totally understandable that they would come expect to get handed points they could not generate themselves..
    The no call last night that people should be talking about is the no call on the leg whip. And the no calls on Pats #31. But chrickets on those. The Pats expect to be handed games.

  102. Patskrieg dot com says: Nov 19, 2013 11:27 AM

    If you’re on the fence about this call ask yourself one question:

    If this was Jets v Jaguars in a 1:00 Sunday game would anyone have ever dreamed about picking up that flag? The answer is no. That’s a clear cut pass interference 100 times out of 100. No question. Mike Periera even went on Twitter to say there was clear contact before the INT.

    Put that game on a big MNF stage with the NFL trying to build heat for the Panthers (who did play a great game) and watch the soap opera antics fly. Disgraceful.

  103. citizenstrange says: Nov 19, 2013 11:32 AM

    It’s the Patriot Way!

    Just like when Kevin Faulk got arrested for pot and said he would take full responsibility by saying it wasn’t his.

  104. sleetmiles says: Nov 19, 2013 11:32 AM

    When the Boston Redsox tripped Tejada rounding third, and Tejada gave up on the play and was tagged out on his way home, it as a proper no call. The Boston Redsox didn’t force Tejada to give up on the play. Tejada had to keep playing to require the ref to make a judgment call that he could have scored (caught the ball). Gronk went into Randy Moss mode, gave up on the play, did not try to defy gravity and reverse his momentum, and somehow affect the DB who had position for the pic. Good no call.

    As for the no holding call on the last play of the game, happens all the time. In fact, it happened twice on that play–one for and one against NE. In this case, I’m fine with the refs not bailing Brady out and sealing the whistle on he last play of the game.

  105. davidschap says: Nov 19, 2013 11:32 AM

    People really have to go back 12 years to tuck rule? I’m a pats fan and it was a loss. Can’t do anything about it but gronk was mugged.

  106. olcap says: Nov 19, 2013 11:39 AM

    He was nowhere near where the ball was intercepted. Good call on the flag pickup.

  107. mjdkid100 says: Nov 19, 2013 11:39 AM

    Also, how many calls do the Pats to be screwed on before we’re even for the tuck rule? It was 12 years ago. Also check out the Raiders/Pats in ’76.

    I considered the non-hold call in ’07 to make up for that CONSIDERING WE LOST A SUPER BOWL ON IT.

    Go watch the Jets game from this year as well.

  108. mjdkid100 says: Nov 19, 2013 11:45 AM

    whoisrdymlz says: Nov 19, 2013 10:03 AM
    It was the right call. Brady threw it short and it was going to be intercepted whether Kuechly was on Gronk or not. The refs did get one PI call wrong, however. The throw to Dobson at the :13 second mark was also uncatchable. It was several feet too high. The refs called that PI which is the only thing that even allowed that last play to happen.

    So, you see, the Panthers were the team that had to beat both their opponent and the officials.

    ————————–

    Are you nuts? That ball basically tipped Dobsons fingers and the defender was dragging him down from jumping. You just showed how ignorant you are. Go watch it again.

  109. azarkhan says: Nov 19, 2013 11:54 AM

    Too bad the Panthers victory was tainted by the referees. Put an asterisk next to it.

  110. raiderrob21 says: Nov 19, 2013 11:57 AM

    MDS you sound way more bitter than Gronk. Had Gronk gone after the pass with the same effort he gave breaking 3 tackles for his TD, I can see throwing the flag. Last play of the game, Gronk half ass effort looking at the ball, with a defender making SOME contact. Good no call. Not the kind of contact you are suggesting MDS.

  111. footballchic777 says: Nov 19, 2013 11:58 AM

    whether it was a short pass or long route, Lester had rounded Gronk and was on/at the ball before LK had committed the offense that could be construed as pass interference.

  112. radrntn says: Nov 19, 2013 12:14 PM

    ok raiders fans lets get real about the tuck rule…it was the year of the 9/11 attacks….think about it..did the NFL want the red white and blue or the silver and black?.. was that game fixed..no doubt about it…the NFL has so many rules that for every flag thrown, it can be offset by another rule…so they can always control who wins… think about almost half the games won are by about a one possession score.

    Would the Pats have won last night for the complete obvious Defensive Holding no call last night…who knows , but we should have been able to find out.

  113. nite2al says: Nov 19, 2013 12:21 PM

    You all act like this is the first time a ref picked up a flag…it happens all the time.

    You need to complain about the duck that Brady threw!

  114. flash1283 says: Nov 19, 2013 12:30 PM

    pongonfl says: Nov 19, 2013 11:24 AM

    The whole Pats air game last night was based on penalty calls, its totally understandable that they would come expect to get handed points they could not generate themselves..
    The no call last night that people should be talking about is the no call on the leg whip. And the no calls on Pats #31. But chrickets on those. The Pats expect to be handed games.

    Brady past for 296 yards, you dont get credit for passing yards towards your stats if a flag is thrown for PI or illegal contact. The yards they passed for they earned. Moron!

  115. pemory says: Nov 19, 2013 12:30 PM

    Well, with the lousy refereeing in some of the recent Super Bowls, I suppose we know which crew will get the honor this year….

  116. yashraba says: Nov 19, 2013 12:35 PM

    jkibler1 says: Nov 19, 2013 6:47 AM

    Hey Rob, two words: “Tuck Rule”
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    Gronk was 12 yrs old for the Tuck Rule game…I don’t think thatpplies here

  117. patriotinvasion says: Nov 19, 2013 12:37 PM

    radrntn says: Nov 19, 2013 12:14 PM

    ok raiders fans lets get real about the tuck rule…it was the year of the 9/11 attacks….think about it..did the NFL want the red white and blue or the silver and black?.. was that game fixed..no doubt about it…
    ___

    Do people realize how dumb they sound saying a game was “fixed”? So how did the NFL ensure Vinatieri made a 45 yard field goal in a blizzard. To all the officials simultaneously blow to push the ball over the upright? If he misses that kick, they lose. So you’re saying the NFL “fixed” the game and would let it come down to an impossible kick that ended up being good? Listen to yourself!

  118. peymax1693 says: Nov 19, 2013 1:07 PM

    It wasn’t pass interference because Gronk made no effort to adjust to the underthrown ball (and it wasn’t because Keuchly was pushing him – watch Gronk’s feet on the replay – he didn’t try to plant them in an attempt to get Keuchly to stop).

    That having been said, it was clearly holding. As a 5 yard penalty, that would have given the Pats one more chance from the 13 yard line. More importantly, it would have shut up all the whining Pats fans who want to believe that their team was cheated out of a win.

  119. aljack88 says: Nov 19, 2013 9:45 PM

    hanifmiller says:
    Nov 19, 2013 9:39 AM
    Bad call. But it’s kind of ironic that Pats fans are complaining about cheating.
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    even more ironic to have Panther fans talk about how the Pats cheated them in their only SB.

  120. dukeearl says: Nov 21, 2013 8:44 PM

    Tell you what, I am 54 years old, out of shape. I will be happy to stand where the ball was intercepted.
    Gronk can mirror his speed/inertia taking him to the back of the end zone. Brady can throw the ball to the same spot. Gronk will have no chance to catch it.
    Anything other than that is just wishful thinking.

    Contact was not initiated before the throw, so it can’t be defensive holding.
    It can’t be Pass Interference because the ball was intercepted.

    Peace out…

  121. jordiway73 says: Nov 25, 2013 1:41 AM

    It doesn’t matter if the ball was catchable the rules don’t state that, he was held and that’s the facts. It should have been 1st and goal end of story if you disagree your wrong.

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