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Jeff Fisher: Flag on Panthers shouldn’t have been picked up

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Count Rams coach Jeff Fisher among the many who believe the Patriots got a raw deal on the last play of Monday night’s loss to the Panthers.

Fisher, a longtime member of the NFL’s competition committee who has a firm understanding of the rule book, says back judge Terrence Miles made the right call when he threw a flag on the Panthers for pass interference. Unfortunately, after the officiating crew talked it over, the wrong call was made, and the flag was picked up.

“I personally feel like the flag went down for a reason, and it looked like a foul to me,” Fisher said at his Tuesday news conference, via Mike Reiss of ESPNBoston.com. “So, that’s my opinion. Because I was not on the sideline, obviously, I can voice my opinion [without getting fined].”

Fisher isn’t a completely neutral observer: He’s still hoping his team can get back into the NFC wild card race, and the Panthers are the leaders in the NFC wild card race. So it’s safe to say he was rooting for the Patriots. But Fisher’s comments are one more demonstration that a whole lot of people who know the rules of the NFL very well are saying that the officials got this one wrong.

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108 Responses to “Jeff Fisher: Flag on Panthers shouldn’t have been picked up”
  1. jbaxt says: Nov 20, 2013 12:07 PM

    So Fischers worried about a wild card race with the Panthers? Right…

    Logic says what?

  2. fwippel says: Nov 20, 2013 12:07 PM

    Is Jeff Fisher angling for a job with the Pats?

    The Patriots are the team that only won its first Super Bowl because of the dopey tuck rule, and then had that win rendered, at best, suspect because they were caught (years after the fact unfortunately) taping the Rams practices prior to the game. And we’re supposed to feel bad for them because a missed call on monday night?

    Let the Pats file this under the tough break category. I’m sure the Raiders would love to hear them whine about getting ripped off by the refs.

  3. thejabronisayz says: Nov 20, 2013 12:07 PM

    Let’s be real: any dire chance the Rams had at making the playoffs this year were completely scrapped on at least 3 occasions:

    1. When Bradford went down.
    2. When they failed to score a touchdown against the Seahawks at the end of the MNF game.
    3. When they inexplicably lost to the Titans at home, who subsequently lost to the Jaguars, at home.

    Nonetheless, that does not negate the validity of his point.

  4. slbasegame257 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:08 PM

    Someone’s got sour grapes

  5. azarkhan says: Nov 20, 2013 12:08 PM

    The only people who think the refs were correct in ignoring the foul by Kuechly are Patriot-hating trolls. Everybody else believes what their eyes tell them – it was an obvious foul.

  6. tigeralum2010 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:08 PM

    Welp, back to the replacement refs!

  7. rodge1 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:08 PM

    Glad the Pats weren’t given another win by the refs. 10 more games decided by refs against NE and things will be close to even. And once Brady retires they will get no more benefit calls.

  8. leeeeroyjenkins says: Nov 20, 2013 12:09 PM

    Jeffy is just a little mad that the Panthers stomped his team

  9. azarkhan says: Nov 20, 2013 12:10 PM

    fwippel says: The Patriots are the team that only won its first Super Bowl because of the dopey tuck rule

    Actually they won their first Super Bowl by beating the St. Louis Rams. I know, details…

  10. allday28mvpmvp says: Nov 20, 2013 12:10 PM

    Fishers a great coach and all but he should practice focusing on his own teams woes

  11. truths4all says: Nov 20, 2013 12:10 PM

    There is no confusion that the refs got it wrong. There is no confusion by the fans, the players, the coaches, and by the media. The only ones who are apparently confused is the NFL as they work hard to hide their agenda of formulating huge betting days when Carolina plays the Saints in their two games over the next few weeks.

    The only thing that’s funny is the NFL and their striped stooges thought they had ensured a Carolina win until Brady took the Patriots down the field to try to win the game. The next funny is the one official who apparently was not in the fix tried to make the correct call, only to be overruled by the head official who was in the fix.

    The NFL will keep getting themselves deeper into their own crap over this unless the media gives up and gives the NFL and their betting interest buddies a free ride to deep-six this story.

  12. bennyb82 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:10 PM

    Goodell will probably fine you just to prove he can…

  13. Kaz says: Nov 20, 2013 12:12 PM

    After a little over a year, the replacement refs have finally gotten the last laugh.

  14. iberiasaint says: Nov 20, 2013 12:13 PM

    Was the official who threw the flag younger than those who reversed the call. Was this a matter of seniority having the most influence and ultimately overturning the flag? Did the official who threw the flag “fight” for his call. All of this happened so fast!

  15. Kaz says: Nov 20, 2013 12:13 PM

    I do however think it’s wrong for a coach of another team to comment on it. Seems like there should be honor amongst coaches not to get involved in disputes between teams and games that they weren’t apart of….

  16. madenatewell says: Nov 20, 2013 12:15 PM

    Oh my god, let it rest already…its nit gonna change, it happened, its over. They called it, its done, happened two days ago. They aren’t going to change trams records or give them the flag now and let NE go for a TD on the one yard line so please let this die and start talking about Tebow or Favre or hell, even bullying as usual…

  17. hooterdawg says: Nov 20, 2013 12:17 PM

    Maybe Fisher can redefine ‘ judgment call’ better in the rules. Judgment calls do not benefit from replay, so the officials only get to see the play in real time at full speed.

  18. wisconsinhillfolk says: Nov 20, 2013 12:19 PM

    How does Coach Mediocre feel about all the questionable calls that went the Pat’s way?

  19. ilovefoolsball says: Nov 20, 2013 12:19 PM

    I was pulling for the Pats to beat the Cats.
    That was an obvious foul.
    But I’m ok with it because the Pats got a win this year against the Saints due to officiating so it’s all good, they had it coming.

  20. steelersaregodsteam says: Nov 20, 2013 12:19 PM

    The ball was thrown into triple coverage.

  21. allday28mvpmvp says: Nov 20, 2013 12:25 PM

    truths4all says: Nov 20, 2013 12:10 PM

    There is no confusion that the refs got it wrong. There is no confusion by the fans, the players, the coaches, and by the media. The only ones who are apparently confused is the NFL as they work hard to hide their agenda of formulating huge betting days when Carolina plays the Saints in their two games over the next few weeks.

    ——

    Huge gambling days? Are you serious? How would the NFL profit off Vegas? I don’t get your logic. The game will be watched by tons of viewers regardless what the Vegas odds are.
    Talk about a reach…

  22. infectorman says: Nov 20, 2013 12:25 PM

    fwippel says: Nov 20, 2013 12:07 PM

    Is Jeff Fisher angling for a job with the Pats?

    The Patriots are the team that only won its first Super Bowl because of the dopey tuck rule, and then had that win rendered, at best, suspect because they were caught (years after the fact unfortunately) taping the Rams practices prior to the game. And we’re supposed to feel bad for them because a missed call on monday night?

    Let the Pats file this under the tough break category. I’m sure the Raiders would love to hear them whine about getting ripped off by the refs.
    ________

    Here’s a message for all the Raider apologists:

    THE PATS DID NOT WIN THE SB BECAUSE OF THE TUCK RULE!!!!
    GET IT THROUGH YOUR THINK SKULLS!!!!!!!

    After beating Oakland in the Divisional Playoffs, they went on to win the AFC championship AT Pittsburgh and then went on to WIN the SB.

    Anyone who makes the above idiotic statement that the “Pats first SB victory was because of the Tuck rule” is completely marginalizing the Pittsburgh Steelers and the St Louis Rams.

    Lets be careful not to overstate who the Raiders were that year. They were NOT in the AFC championship game. Pittsburgh was and they also lost to NE.
    Oakland had many opportunities to win that DIVISIONAL playoff game and they failed.

    Revisionist history Clowns

  23. wrdtoyrmama says: Nov 20, 2013 12:26 PM

    Dry yer eyes, Pats fans.
    I’m sure the zebras will make it up to Cryin’ Tommy and the Pats fans next Sunday night when Denver comes to town.

    Well that is if Peyton doesn’t cry about something the Pats did first….

  24. weekendatberniemadoffs says: Nov 20, 2013 12:27 PM

    Ensured Carolina a win? Oh, you mean by not calling a personal foul on the leg whip that nearly cost Johnson his season, a drive which resulted in 7 points on the board? That was a decisive point in the game, when at the time, I thought would dictate a W for the Pats. You cannot argue THAT play wasn’t a no call, because he WILL be getting a fine this week.

  25. metalhead9652 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:27 PM

    The bottom line is that if the refs HAD called that pass interference and the patriots won the game because a player was holding gronk in quadruple coverage 4 yards away from where the ball was INTERECEPTED, EVERYONE in the country would be pissed as opposed to just the Patriots fans in this case… Majority wins..

    End of discussion…

  26. NoWearMan says: Nov 20, 2013 12:32 PM

    Hey Jeff……Bernie Kosar says hi.

  27. cornerstone2001 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:33 PM

    llday28mvpmvp says:
    Nov 20, 2013 12:25 PM
    truths4all says: Nov 20, 2013 12:10 PM

    There is no confusion that the refs got it wrong. There is no confusion by the fans, the players, the coaches, and by the media. The only ones who are apparently confused is the NFL as they work hard to hide their agenda of formulating huge betting days when Carolina plays the Saints in their two games over the next few weeks.

    ——

    Huge gambling days? Are you serious? How would the NFL profit off Vegas? I don’t get your logic. The game will be watched by tons of viewers regardless what the Vegas odds are.
    Talk about a reach…

    ————————-

    Of course dude… And the mob couldnt possibly have run Las Vegas. It has to be those “corporations”. which of course must be legit
    because they are real business

  28. salmen76 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:33 PM

    The NFL is in danger of losing fans and harming the NFL Brand if they don’t get a grip on their “own” rules and get a grip on the proper execution and interpretation of those rules. I used to be a huge NASCAR fan but in the last decade they have lost control when it comes to their rules and how they are interpreted and as a result myself and a lot of other fans have stepped back from supporting their sport. I’m not a fan of either the Panthers or the Patriots. But this call at the end of the Panthers and Patriots game has “ugly” wrote all over it. In fact, to me, it lends itself to impropriety. Calling penalties and then picking up the flag when everyone on the planet clearly saw the penalty gives the league a “legal” way to “fix” games. They should have enforced the penalty as originally called and the Pats would have had one more play. The Panthers probably would have thwarted that attempt also and got the win anyway and none of this backlash would be happening. Geaux Saints!

  29. jbpanthers says: Nov 20, 2013 12:33 PM

    Still no talk about the fact Charles Johnson’s season was nearly ended by a leg-whip and went unpenalized.Or the fact Mankins head-butted Kuechly in front of a ref with no flag.

  30. bobsnygiants says: Nov 20, 2013 12:34 PM

    Of course it shouldn’t have been pick up , it’s just another thing gone wrong with the NFL

  31. pftbillsfan says: Nov 20, 2013 12:34 PM

    When the Patriots won a few weeks back on Brady’s last second TD pass there was a blatant hold by the LT. So bad in fact that it could be described more aptly as a tackle. Who cares, the league does a great job considering the speed and complexity if the game and rules

  32. pastabelly101 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:38 PM

    Will all you fools please stop with the taping of practices thing- will someone please set the record straight on this absurd idea!

  33. infectorman says: Nov 20, 2013 12:38 PM

    Cannon should have been called for the leg whip.
    I was glad to see CJ back in the game.

    NE fan.

    Overall a great game and could be a SB preview.
    Ya never know…

  34. lance19 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:40 PM

    Anyone trying to bring up other previous calls, etc., is just admitting that they don’t want to look at THIS call, honestly on its merits.
    The obvious fact that there was pass interference in this case is all that matters here.

  35. janvanflac says: Nov 20, 2013 12:41 PM

    Neutral observer….that throw was nowhere near the receiver. Good non call.

  36. allday28mvpmvp says: Nov 20, 2013 12:43 PM

    cornerstone2001 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:33 PM

    Of course dude… And the mob couldnt possibly have run Las Vegas. It has to be those “corporations”. which of course must be legit
    because they are real business

    —-

    Yeah the mob wasn’t running a business that brings in 8 billion dollars a year. The NFL makes profits that we cannot even fathom. Why would they jeopardize the integrity of that and risk their $8 billion dollar a year (and growing) business?
    It doesn’t make sense.

    The first writer proclaims the refs thought they had the game “fixed” right when Carolina scored but Brady got the ball back and made it down the field. How did the refs know that Cam was going to throw that 25 yd TD? How did the refs “allow” the Panthers to score a TD on that drive? The NFL might have preferred the outcome, however they did not create it. Stop with the conspiracy theories that have no logic.

  37. mizzousooner says: Nov 20, 2013 12:48 PM

    I’m no New England fan, tho I will be this Sunday, but that was a BS deal in the endzone at the end of the game.

    You can’t bear hug the intended receiver while the ball is in the air and it not be called interference!

    One official in the back of the endzone got it right and threw the flag, only to have it inexplicably over ruled.

    Ridiculous!

  38. fatsolio says: Nov 20, 2013 12:49 PM

    As expected here we are 2 days later and it’s still in the news. If this involved ANY OTHER TEAM then it’d have died right after the game.

    I like that this will be bigger than the BS that cost the Packers the game against the Seahawks last season. That was a full on blown call that there was no debate of. This was merely officials going by the rule book and making a judgement call…something they do ALL THE TIME.

    But hey, it was indeed a conspiracy. The officials wanted the Pats to lose and knew that had they kept the penalty that the Pats would have scored the td on the final play. The officials hate the Pats which is why they always get calls going their way.

    In fact, the officials are the reason why the Pats aren’t 10 time defending SB champs like moron Pats fans and the media try and act like they are instead of being ring-less for 8 years.

  39. dsigrey says: Nov 20, 2013 12:49 PM

    Here’s another for you Raider fans…

    You want to talk about stealing a game? Lets go back to 1976 when the Raiders stole the Championship game from the Pats on a bogus roughing the passer call (in 1976?!?!, they never called that back then). Cunningham was charged with a phantom call that cost the Pats a trip to the Super Bowl. Lets not even talk about how Davis had the field soaked with water during the worst drought of the decade in a attempt to slow the Pats down.

    Stop crying, it’s over…

  40. nickster31 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:49 PM

    For starters, as Florio tried to explain in his interview with that official last night:

    If the ball is TIPPED at the line of scrimmage, the PI rules DO NOT APPLY. Intercepting the ball is a little more than tipping it, dont you think?

    Yes, Gronk got molested. No question. The point was, even though Gronk was being held, he could not have caught the ball anyway, when the defender intercrpted the ball, the PI rules disappeared.

    Even in the PI rules would have been in play, because the ball had already been intercepted, Gronk would have had no chance of catching the ball because IT HAD ALREADY BEEN CAUGHT!

  41. bobsnygiants says: Nov 20, 2013 12:50 PM

    You see officials this week end throw a flag , and call interference . Then we can say FU

  42. sbaltimore says: Nov 20, 2013 12:52 PM

    While Fisher apparently can voice his opinion without getting fined by the league, is it really smart for him to get in the middle of this fight that’s already over?

  43. waldoampere says: Nov 20, 2013 12:52 PM

    It was an obvious penalty. However, the refs almost never call pass interference on the final play of games, it’s like an unwritten rule. There’s interference on almost every Hail Mary play and it’s never called. It doesn’t make it right but that’s the way it is.

  44. mogogo1 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:55 PM

    The real irony is that Fisher is on the competition committee that makes the rules. And the rules are what allowed this flag to be picked up. Both “uncatchable” and pass interference are judgment calls. So, Fisher’s judgment differs from some of the refs, which is bound to happen.

    And, honestly, if you’re going to have “uncatchable” in the rules, it needs to be a judgment call because how would you clearly define it? If Gronk is moving towards that ball instead of away from it, you’ve got a whole different series of events. But moving away from it with guys between him and the ball? It’s not a crazy judgment to say he couldn’t have got to it, contact or no contact. And, without question, there’s less controversy now than if they’d waived off an interception on that play.

  45. dsigrey says: Nov 20, 2013 12:56 PM

    fatsolio says:
    Nov 20, 2013 12:49 PM

    In fact, the officials are the reason why the Pats aren’t 10 time defending SB champs like moron Pats fans and the media try and act like they are instead of being ring-less for 8 years.

    These comments kill me… how many teams haven’t been to the Super Bowl or haven’t been there in a long time??? We get it you hate the Pats and their fans because your jealous that they actually have a legit chance of winning every year. When we expect to be at least 12 – 4 and your team hopes to be .500. The media doesn’t treat the Pats like they are 10 time champs, they treat them like they the team with the best winning percentage in the past 12 years.

  46. patriotinvasion says: Nov 20, 2013 12:59 PM

    fwippel says: Nov 20, 2013 12:46 PM

    The Raiders had a 13-10 lead on the Patriots, when Tom Brady was sacked and fumbled the ball, which the Raiders recovered. Time left, less than two minutes. Game over….until the refs ruled the fumble an incomplete pass. The Patriots keep the ball, travel to the Raider 27, and AV kicks the game tying FG. The Pats win in OT.

    Without the tuck rule, the Patriots stay home, and the Raiders travel to Pittsburgh to play the AFC Championship game.
    ____
    Ok, so after the tuck rule play, the Raiders could have done any of the following to win the game:
    1.) Not allowed the Pats to drive further to get Vinatieri in range
    2.)Get a stop in OT and go win the game

    They did neither.

  47. xxshookonexx says: Nov 20, 2013 1:00 PM

    Kuechly getting headbutt?….haha. Is that when he had his hands up like he was being tazed? Bunch of floppers….I bet CJ wasn’t really hurt….he did come back and seemed fine. The Panthers were channelling their “inner Montreal Canadien”

  48. starchybunker says: Nov 20, 2013 1:03 PM

    the refs definitely should have picked up the flag for pass interference…and thrown one for defensive holding instead…

  49. sbaltimore says: Nov 20, 2013 1:03 PM

    If the guy in charge of officiating had come out and said that the reason the flag was picked up was because the ball was deemed to be un-catchable because there were too many defenders between Gronkowski and the ball, that might have made more sense — even though it could still be debated. But to say that there was no PI because the contact to Gronkowski came at the same time as the int is just wrong, at least from what I’ve seen from the replays. So while Fisher isn’t wrong in what he’s saying, I think it’s questionable as to why he’s chosen to say it. It just doesn’t seem very smart at this point. Just move on and go win games with your team, that wasn’t even involved.

  50. chiadam says: Nov 20, 2013 1:08 PM

    Enough already. IF the Pats miss the playoffs, it will not be because of this one play. Beat Geno Smith (whom every Pats fan on Earth clowned for months) and score more than two FGs against the Bengals. Then none of this matters. Or maybe Uggs Brady should have muscled up and thrown a catchable ball and not a dying quail. In any event, just shut the hell up already and stop crying. It’s pathetic.

  51. ratsfoiledagain says: Nov 20, 2013 1:10 PM

    jbaxt says: Nov 20, 2013 12:07 PM

    So Fischers worried about a wild card race with the Panthers? Right…

    Logic says what?
    ****************
    Carolina 7-3
    St. Louis 6-4

    Logic says there’s a one game difference.

  52. Patskrieg dot com says: Nov 20, 2013 1:11 PM

    Fisher’s dislike of Belichick and the Patriots is well known. For him to come out and condemn this blown call should be a huge red flag to the league that something got royally screwed up Monday night.

    The flag was thrown for a reason. The back judge saw the foul occur right in front of him. The over ruling side judge was 26.5 yards away (53/2 approx). You tell me who was in position to make that call and who should have done the over ruling.

  53. panthers34 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:12 PM

    Still upset about that Chris Long ejection eh Jeff?

  54. billsfansince87 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:15 PM

    TE had too much momentum running that post. Even if he was wide open he wouldn’t adjust to come back and catch that. Brady also threw that ball way under..No catch!! Can the NFL please stop protecting Brady and the Pats!!!??? Panthers win life goes on let it go!! Hope the Broncos kick their butts next week!!

  55. hehateme2 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:16 PM

    Good call… uncatchable. STOP the whining and slurp some chowder instead.

  56. 6ball says: Nov 20, 2013 1:17 PM

    .
    As Belichick says ” it is what it is”

    This call, the tuck rule, and every other questionable call since the inception of the NFL are in the books and cannot be reviewed or reversed, however grievous the error.

    However, Jeff Fisher has been a coach and competition committee member for years. He has as much knowledge of the rulebook as anyone. His response was reasonable and logical. I seriously doubt he would risk his reputation by commenting on a past play unless he honestly believed his own words.

    .

  57. gcc0344 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:19 PM

    The Patriots are on the greatest run of any sports franchise! Year after year they are in it. In this is with a salary cap. Say what you want, but the NFL is trying their best to stop this dynasty. And don’t forget, they lost a game to the Jets because one of their players slightly pushed another one their players. We call that corruption on behalf of the NFL!

  58. Chuck Norris says: Nov 20, 2013 1:19 PM

    I have noticed a few things in the comment section the last few days that I personally find hilarious. Some people want it both ways. They will say it was a good non call, then they will say it is “payback” for (saints, spy gate, leg whip, etc). If it is payback or karma or whatever, then that means you are saying it was a bad call. It can’t be karma and be a good call.

    But there is one thing here that is unquestionable, those that hate the Patriots do not care how bad the call is as long as it goes against them. And can we stop with the tuck rule garbage. Everyone, even patriots fans agree it was a stupid rule, but it was a rule and it was correctly applied. So arguing that a correctly applied rule was equal to potentially incorrectly not flagging something is asinine. I am not debating whether the correct call was made or not (on Monday night) simply stating the tuck rule was legit, albeit stupid. It also shows you are an idiot to criticize the tuck rule (some suggesting it was pulled out of nowhere just for the Patriots). I say to those idiots, do some research. Vinny testeverde and the jets beat New England earlier that season because of what rule??? Oh yeah, the tuck rule. So the Oakland game wasn’t the birth of the tuck rule

    Which brings me to my last point about the morons talking out of both sides of their mouth. You can’t say “it’s been 2 days get over it” then say “well it serves them right for the tuck rule from 12 years ago”. How about you get over it

  59. keiselsbeard says: Nov 20, 2013 1:19 PM

    This is absolutely ridiculous. Had this happened to any team other than the darlings of the League, it never would have been an issue. It happened, it’s done, get over it, & move on. Besides, doesn’t anyone remember how many BS calls went the Patriots’ way over the last few years, or Spygate (which they basically got a slap on the wrist for)?

  60. 69finfan says: Nov 20, 2013 1:21 PM

    As a Fin Fan I was obviously pulling for Carolina however with no dog in the hunt IMHO it was and should have been pass interference, no questions asked. That being said, I hope this discussion keeps up because that is less we have to read about BullyGate!

  61. waterboy420 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:24 PM

    Truth4all

    You have it right. In my opinion, the nfl has been manipulating games for many years through the officials. Why do you think they don’t fix any of the rules that allow for judgement calls? Obviously the rules state that you cant bear hug a player and try to tackle him while the ball is in the air. Regardless if the ball was inevitably intercepted or not or catchable or not. Now for this 1 play in this 1′game the holding & illegal contact rules don’t apply? Remember the contact took place way before the int while the ball was in the air. Pats win after 9/11. The tuck rule, saints win after Katrina ext. ext. try to sit down and watch the Seattle Pitt Super Bowl sometime. Im not a fan of any of these teams but come on stop insulating my intelligence. Any hear of the court case in which the NFL was ruled entertainment and not a sport? Look it up. Had to do with the spy-gate lawsuit brought forward by a jets fan.

  62. mania2407 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:26 PM

    We shouldn’t talk about the merits of a defensive holding call when the bottom line is that Tom Brady through a bad pass when it mattered most. Minutes before he badly overthrew a pass to a wide open receiver to score the go ahead touchdown. Instead, the Pats settled for a field goal and ended up losing by the difference – 4 points.

    That’s why the Pats lost – not because an official decided to pick up the flag on the last play. The Pats didn’t deserve the win with those mistakes and it would have been a shame if a flag on an obviously poor and uncatchable pass had changed the outcome of the game.

  63. redsoxu571 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:27 PM

    So a former head of officiating (Mike Peirera) says the no-call was wrong, a respected head coach and member of the competition committee says it was wrong, and 99.9% of the unbiased sporting world says it was wrong…at what point do we need to see some punishment handed out?

    The NFL fines and suspends when players and coaches don’t follow the rules, and often does so AFTER games are played, even when flag wasn’t thrown…so what about the referees and the league? I suggest a $1M fine that gets donated to charity, and the officiating crew for the game should be suspended one game and fined their pay for said game.

  64. xxsweepthelegxx says: Nov 20, 2013 1:34 PM

    talhead9652 says:
    Nov 20, 2013 12:27 PM
    The bottom line is that if the refs HAD called that pass interference and the patriots won the game because a player was holding gronk in quadruple coverage 4 yards away from where the ball was INTERECEPTED, EVERYONE in the country would be pissed as opposed to just the Patriots fans in this case… Majority wins..

    End of discussion…
    ==============
    1. They DID throw a flag….not HAD they…I believe that’s the main issue.
    2. Apparently double coverage is quadruple coverage in your mind
    3. Players like Gronk, Calvin, Dex, etc…catch a ball in traffic every game. Double coverage means nothing to skilled pass catchers.

  65. allday28mvpmvp says: Nov 20, 2013 1:38 PM

    redsoxu571 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:27 PM

    So a former head of officiating (Mike Peirera) says the no-call was wrong, a respected head coach and member of the competition committee says it was wrong, and 99.9% of the unbiased sporting world says it was wrong…at what point do we need to see some punishment handed out?

    —–

    99,9% of unbiased sports fans agree with you?
    HAHA That’s a hilarious and inaccurate stat.
    That’s the beauty of the internet. Anybody can throw out fake numbers to plead their case.
    No, 99.9% of people agree with ME!

  66. xxsweepthelegxx says: Nov 20, 2013 1:40 PM

    keiselsbeard says:
    Nov 20, 2013 1:19 PM
    This is absolutely ridiculous. Had this happened to any team other than the darlings of the League, it never would have been an issue. It happened, it’s done, get over it, & move on. Besides, doesn’t anyone remember how many BS calls went the Patriots’ way over the last few years, or Spygate (which they basically got a slap on the wrist for)?
    —————–
    Goodell fined Belichick $500K (the maximum for a coach) and a 1st rd draft choice…. yeah…slap on the wrist.

    Or….if it WAS indeed a slap on the wrist, then maybe it wasn’t that big of a deal in the first place.

    So whichever side of your mouth you want to talk out of to “win” an argument, just use one of those points and either way you’ll win and the Pats will be cheaters right?

  67. neatz says: Nov 20, 2013 1:40 PM

    ilovefoolsball says:
    Nov 20, 2013 12:19 PM
    I was pulling for the Pats to beat the Cats.
    That was an obvious foul.
    But I’m ok with it because the Pats got a win this year against the Saints due to officiating so it’s all good, they had it coming.

    Your Saints got a win from officials too so I bet you wont be sorry when they get the stick too.
    Lets see how you react when that happens

  68. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:40 PM

    That’s not his motivation. They lost head to head, and would have to win out and hope for the Panthers’ collapse to even MAKE the playoffs. Can he just be looking at the very fact that the flag should have stood as thrown???

  69. panthro79 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:43 PM

    I never thought I’d see a dirtier team play the Panthers than the Rams this year….until I watched the Patriots on Monday night.

    Cannon leg whipped Charles Johnson on a NE drive that led to a touchdown…where is the outrage? I mean if they called the 15 yard penalty the drive may have stalled. BUT WE R TEH PATRIOTS.

    I so however agree that the ball was catchable….just ask Robert Lester

  70. jgedgar70 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:45 PM

    ““I personally feel like the flag went down for a reason, and it looked like a foul to me,” said the coach of a team of players who start fights whenever their little feelings get hurt and think it’s OK to talk trash about opponents’ wives.

    Shut your squeal hole, Jeff. You have enough problems on your own team.

  71. ruffbufffire says: Nov 20, 2013 1:51 PM

    The pats have benefited plenty from bad officiating!! I cant pity them!

  72. all4patriots says: Nov 20, 2013 1:53 PM

    I am sure that if you were a good buddy with Roger Goodell

    and if were talking to him alone,

    with no cameras around and no recording devices,

    he would roll his eyes and tell you that he’s never ever seen a lousier game-ending call by non-replacement refs.

  73. theparadoxx82 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:55 PM

    Anything to avoid talking about the no-call on the Johnson hit-job right?

  74. thraiderskin says: Nov 20, 2013 1:55 PM

    I’m glad the panthers won, but there should have been a penalty. If not a PI, due to catchability, then illegal contact. Major contact was being made far beyond the rules.

    I would assume Fisher is commenting because he is head of a rules committee.

  75. thesmedman says: Nov 20, 2013 2:01 PM

    Wonder what ol’ Ben Dreith woulda thought….who was gettin’ the business?

  76. cubancigar10 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:06 PM

    I have been a supporter for the abolition of instant replay for a long time. If I have to hear, “after further review the play stands” as the entire audience jumps up yelling “what play were YOU looking at?” I am going to totally lose it.

    Listen It’s a great game being officiated by imperfert Humans calling themselves Referees The result is constant interruption with the flow of the game, the controversies created (which will still exist without replay), and the games running much longer than they should normally. And that is why it will NEVER be abolished as the networks enjoy the addition ad revenues from the longer games.

    What does anyone else think of this idea?

  77. stealthjunk says: Nov 20, 2013 2:07 PM

    I’m a Broncos fan and even I think the Patriots got a raw deal. The biggest thing for me is that even if Gronk could not have gotten back to catch the ball, he could have at least put pressure on the Panthers player and broken up the interception (yes, this was the last play of the game so it didn’t matter, but the time on the clock doesn’t determine whether something is a penalty or not a penalty). Or heck, maybe the ball goes through the Panthers player’s hands as we’ve seen hundreds of times by defensive players and Gronk catches it. Just because the Panthers player was in the best position to catch the ball shouldn’t mean that the ball is “uncatchable” for the receiver.

  78. hdahs143 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:08 PM

    starchybunker says:
    Nov 20, 2013 1:03 PM
    the refs definitely should have picked up the flag for pass interference…and thrown one for defensive holding instead…

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    It has been covered countless times that once the ball is in the air, the only available call is PI.

    Not sure how you guys keep missing that.

  79. benrob99 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:16 PM

    I love how every Pats fan let’s Brady off the hook for making a bad read and then throwing a worse ball, and Gronk for just completely giving up on the play. It’s WAY easier to get calls when you work hard to get into the right position. If Gronk runs hard to fight back to the ball, or Brady doesn’t throw the ball like a 10 year old girl and there is NO DOUBT if you’d have gotten the call or not. When you do your job sloppily you leave the door open for others to interpret it how they want to.

  80. Mr. Wright 212 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:19 PM

    hdahs143 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:08 PM

    starchybunker says:
    Nov 20, 2013 1:03 PM
    the refs definitely should have picked up the flag for pass interference…and thrown one for defensive holding instead…

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    It has been covered countless times that once the ball is in the air, the only available call is PI.

    Not sure how you guys keep missing that.
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    The fact that they keep missing it, and only repeating what they hear talking heads say just further proves how few people a) know the rules and b) can formulate an independent thought with their own knowledge.

    The rule states that holding is the call BEFORE the ball is thrown. This is why the referee prefaces defensive holding with the, “before the pass was thrown, holding, defense…”

    And by the letter of the law, both the guy who picked off the pass, and Kuechly, who rode Gronkowski out of the end zone both contacted him after the ball was thrown and BEFORE it was intercepted. There is just no excuse that the NFL or the officials can make for either picking up the flag and/or enforcing the penalty with the ball placed at the 1 yard line.

    They can tell us whatever they want, but I have officiated three sports and in football, this is one of the first infractions they teach you about. It’s only an uproar here because everyone knows it’s bogus and the NFL scrambled to conjure up a suitable excuse that would be semi-passable from a PR standpoint.

  81. dstroi says: Nov 20, 2013 2:27 PM

    @Billsfansince87 who says:

    TE had too much momentum running that post. Even if he was wide open he wouldn’t adjust to come back and catch that. Brady also threw that ball way under..No catch!! Can the NFL please stop protecting Brady and the Pats!!!??? Panthers win life goes on let it go!! Hope the Broncos kick their butts next week!!
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    Awesome post considering your team has sucked the sack since idk forever. No wonder why you have so much hate towards the team that constantly beats you every single year. Tell me, what happened to the Bills in the 90′s when they made the superbowl and lost to the Cowboy’s multiple times? Why don’t you take your aggression out on them because apparently you’re losing sleep over the Patriots. Also, Gronkowski is 6’6″ with an arm reach of 34″, so you mean to tell me that he couldn’t have made a legit play for that ball if Kuechly wasn’t making out with him? You people make it sound like when the ball was intercepted, Gronk was 10 yards away from him? Also, how is the league protecting the Pats? They lost the game.
    @Keiselbeard says:
    Nov 20, 2013 1:19 PM
    This is absolutely ridiculous. Had this happened to any team other than the darlings of the League, it never would have been an issue. It happened, it’s done, get over it, & move on. Besides, doesn’t anyone remember how many BS calls went the Patriots’ way over the last few years, or Spygate (which they basically got a slap on the wrist for)?
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    Your comment is about as cool as AIDS my friend. Can you possibly bring up anything relevant besides “spygate”? Obviously not because that is the root to all of your fellow Patriot hater diatribes. Happened to any other team? Tell that to the Seattle fans and New Orlean fans. It’s not just the Pats that are subjected to these calls, you just have your Patriot hating glasses on. awesome. Do you wake up in the middle of the night in a cold sweat because of the Patriots and your constant hatred towards them?

  82. joemontanawasthegreatest says: Nov 20, 2013 2:37 PM

    6 playoff appearances in a 22 year career….

  83. bullcharger says: Nov 20, 2013 2:48 PM

    janvanflac says:Nov 20, 2013 12:41 PM

    Neutral observer….that throw was nowhere near the receiver. Good non call.

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    That’s one opinion and the same one as the refs. Most other people that saw the same thing as you disagree.

    I think PI needs to be a automatically reviewed penalty. I’ve seen too many cases where it looked like PI and there was no contact or there was a missed tipped ball, etc. Also many cases where there was certainly PI and no call at all. Throw the flag and go upstairs for confirmation. It’s better than a post play conference. PI is a big enough change in the game that the league can’t afford to get it wrong.

  84. immafubared says: Nov 20, 2013 2:49 PM

    I know there is a ‘catchable ball rule’ that even if your mugged by the defender if the ref determines the ball was not catchable, regardless of the mugging, its no foul.
    I guess its a matter of how you see it. My only issue of the ball being thrown short is, could the receiver not stopped and came back and made the play if the receiver wasn’t mugging him?
    That is the crux of it, and perhaps the ref decided the receiver would have had to go through the dback to get to the ball and that in of itself my have been a foul.
    I guess its a good call.

  85. gairzo says: Nov 20, 2013 2:53 PM

    I hate the Pats more than anyone because Belichick disgraced the game…But…

    Keuchly was mauling Gronk BEFORE the ball was in the air all the way to the interception…in my opinion, it was a no-brainer illegal use of hands/holding call.

    The NFL has stuck with PI–and even that demands a flag because Gronk was denied ANY chance to make a play on the ball.

    I would hope Pats fans will admit the odds of Gronk making a play on that lousy throw were nil and that’s the logic the NFL is applying.

    Should have been “illegal use of hands, bsll spotted at the one–one intimed play for the offense.

  86. deathmonkey41 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:58 PM

    The Umpire union should send Brady a box of tissues.

  87. dabceb says: Nov 20, 2013 2:59 PM

    Check how many points bookies were giving either way. The way the refs acted, one would think something shaky was going on…

  88. bullcharger says: Nov 20, 2013 3:00 PM

    mania2407 says:Nov 20, 2013 1:26 PM

    We shouldn’t talk about the merits of a defensive holding call when the bottom line is that Tom Brady through a bad pass when it mattered most. Minutes before he badly overthrew a pass to a wide open receiver to score the go ahead touchdown. Instead, the Pats settled for a field goal and ended up losing by the difference – 4 points.

    That’s why the Pats lost – not because an official decided to pick up the flag on the last play. The Pats didn’t deserve the win with those mistakes and it would have been a shame if a flag on an obviously poor and uncatchable pass had changed the outcome of the game.

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    Could the Patriots have made some better plays and won the game… Yes. Ridley fumble, 3rd and 1, stopping Cam on 3rd down. Any one of the above would have helped. BTW, he overthrew that pass on third down on purpose to protect the 3 because no one was open. It was a bad play call.

    Could they have won the game if the call had stood… Yes. It wouldn’t have been a shame if call stood, because that would have been the correct call in my opinion. It might be obviously uncatchable to you, but not to most other people.

    That call affected the game.

  89. sactogary says: Nov 20, 2013 3:00 PM

    They have GOT to end the referee’s strike – these replacement officials are awful.

  90. cheeseheadbybirth says: Nov 20, 2013 3:00 PM

    Replacement refs would have just awarded a touchdown to the Patriots…

  91. thewiz37 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:02 PM

    I’m a Pats fan.

    My team benefitted significantly from a call being overturned by instant replay 12 seasons ago, so I am therefore banned from ever critiquing the performance of NFL referees in games the Patriots play in.

  92. edgarpoe3 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:04 PM

    Maybe, just maybe…Brady should have thrown the ball better. It was poorly underthrown.

  93. cobo2112 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:06 PM

    Look, Kuechly was obviously face guarding but the refs called it right based on the trajectory of the ball. You can argue all day that Gronk could have made a play on it but the refs are going to rely on the language of the rule book when it’s that close. Enough on that, let’s worry about the rule issue: a hopefully Welker-less Bronco team coming to Foxborough. Coming from a Pats fan now living in San Fran.

  94. lflib69 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:08 PM

    weekendatberniemadoffs says:
    Nov 20, 2013 12:27 PM

    Ensured Carolina a win? Oh, you mean by not calling a personal foul on the leg whip that nearly cost Johnson his season, a drive which resulted in 7 points on the board? That was a decisive point in the game, when at the time, I thought would dictate a W for the Pats. You cannot argue THAT play wasn’t a no call, because he WILL be getting a fine this week.

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    Every game has missed calls…NO MATTER what team it is…but how many games have been decided on a bad call/no call? This is the second time this season that the Pats got screwed on a play that decided the outcome of the game. Who wants to win like that?

  95. footballfan80 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:12 PM

    thewiz37:

    No, you cant complain this season because of the blatant hold against the Saints that would have been a loss for the pats.

  96. bucfanforlife says: Nov 20, 2013 3:13 PM

    it was holding five yards and automatic first down or in this case one more play

  97. footballfan80 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:14 PM

    gairzo:

    Illegal use of hands? Do you even know what that is? That’s for hands to the face, nothing else. That’s not even a penalty that could be considered on this play. Unless you want to tell everyone else they are blind and the LB had his hands on Gronk’s face/facemask.

  98. adross47 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:21 PM

    ratsfoiledagain says:
    Nov 20, 2013 1:10 PM
    jbaxt says: Nov 20, 2013 12:07 PM

    So Fischers worried about a wild card race with the Panthers? Right…

    Logic says what?
    ****************
    Carolina 7-3
    St. Louis 6-4

    Logic says there’s a one game difference
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    I believe the record of St. Louis is 4-6

  99. cornerstone2001 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:29 PM

    Nov 20, 2013 2:49 PM
    I know there is a ‘catchable ball rule’ that even if your mugged by the defender if the ref determines the ball was not catchable, regardless of the mugging, its no foul.
    I guess its a matter of how you see it. My only issue of the ball being thrown short is, could the receiver not stopped and came back and made the play if the receiver wasn’t mugging him?
    That is the crux of it, and perhaps the ref decided the receiver would have had to go through the dback to get to the ball and that in of itself my have been a foul.
    I guess its a good call.

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    I love all the “rules experts” posting. the uncatchable pass rule DOES NOT apply to balls where the receiver comes back for!
    It specifically applies to balls WAY over the head and OUT of bounds passes. Look it up

  100. bobw12350nysaintsfan says: Nov 20, 2013 4:01 PM

    ESPN ran an interesting Sport Science segment about this play. It pointed out two aspects that have not been discussed in great detail: 1) Gronkowski had planted his right foot to cut to the area where the pass was intercepted, and 2) once Kuechly bearhugged Gronkowski, the force against Gronkowski was doubled, making it almost impossible to get back anywhere near where the ball was thrown. Very compelling – even the anchor who had originally agreed with the non-call said that the segment changed his mind.

  101. summitmech says: Nov 20, 2013 4:26 PM

    What happens if Kuechly DOESN’T touch the receiver?

    The ball still gets intercepted. No difference.

    There’s no pass interference for an uncatchable ball. Everyone I watched the game with agreed hands down, and that was a lot of people. Perhaps Brady should throw to an open receiver next time.

  102. edgarpoe3 says: Nov 20, 2013 4:26 PM

    I meant bounds LOL

  103. edgarpoe3 says: Nov 20, 2013 4:28 PM

    cornerstone2001 says:
    Nov 20, 2013 3:29 PM
    I love all the “rules experts” posting. the uncatchable pass rule DOES NOT apply to balls where the receiver comes back for!
    It specifically applies to balls WAY over the head and OUT of bounds passes. Look it up
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    I looked it up:
    NFL Rulebook
    Actions that do not constitute pass interference include but are not limited to:
    (c) Contact that would normally be considered pass interference, but the pass is clearly uncatchable by the involved players. Note: It does NOT say anything about a ball being out of bounds, etc.

  104. summitmech says: Nov 20, 2013 4:30 PM

    As for the last 3 posters, no the receiver was not and COULD not come back to the ball regardless because the interception was IN FRONT OF HIM, NOT BESIDE HIM. You can’t “come back” to a ball that you were never at in the first place. Nothing changes the fact that Gronkowski ran BEHIND the Dback who intercepted in. There’s no “going back to the ball” from that.

  105. itsfootballbaby says: Nov 20, 2013 5:31 PM

    Sorry…either Gronk ran the wrong route or Brady threw it short….either way the ball was uncatchable, therefore no foul.

  106. beerndrums says: Nov 20, 2013 6:05 PM

    Patriot fans are retarded….just like Fisher

  107. justalonewolf says: Nov 20, 2013 6:57 PM

    if they were so good they’d have never been in such a close game

  108. bizzyb559 says: Nov 20, 2013 10:23 PM

    Oh, so this is how it feels to be cheated.

    Sincerely
    Bill

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