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NFL fines Ahmad Brooks $16,000 for hit on Drew Brees

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The 49ers and their fans may not like it, but the NFL has removed any doubt that the league office thinks there’s no place for hits like the one Ahmad Brooks put on Drew Brees on Sunday.

Brooks, who briefly appeared to have sealed a win for the 49ers when he drilled Brees in the neck and forced a fumble that San Francisco recovered, was instead given a 15-yard penalty for the hit. Now the NFL has added a $16,000 fine for Brooks, according to Adam Schefter of ESPN.

The news of the fine comes as no surprise: Some may say that there’s nothing defensive players can do anymore, but the NFL has made it clear that what defensive players can and must do is hit quarterbacks above the knees and below the neck. Brooks hit Brees in the neck, and that’s a foul the NFL wants the officials to call every time.

Brooks can appeal, but it would be a big surprise if he wins that appeal. In the NFL in 2013, those are the hits the league office wants to eliminate.

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  1. sf944 says: Nov 20, 2013 12:59 PM

    Well deserved

  2. whoisthatteam says: Nov 20, 2013 1:00 PM

    NFL Rulebook

    (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet or facemask is lower than the passer’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him.

    Jim Harbaugh’s take on hitting the quarterback.

    “Like I said last week, usually a man will tell you his bad intentions if you just listen. That certainly was a cheap shot, launching, clotheslining to the neck-head area. That was a bad play. Now back in Emlen Tunnell’s day, that was legal. In our day, that’s not legal.”

    Drew Brees on the hit.

    “I think anyone that was watching the game real time, live speed, nobody’s gonna sit there and say that wasn’t a penalty. Now, when you slow it down, it looks like he hits me here, kind of in the chest. But I get up and my mouth was bleeding. So I don’t know if you get hit in the chest and your mouth bleeds.”

  3. mizzousooner says: Nov 20, 2013 1:01 PM

    So, you can’t hit Drew Brees across the chest, got it.

    It was a lousy call, they’re going to ruin the game it they’re not careful.

  4. seatownballers says: Nov 20, 2013 1:01 PM

    Because ray lewis said he’d pay half.

  5. allday28mvpmvp says: Nov 20, 2013 1:01 PM

    If Brees wasn’t so tiny this woulda been a no-call.
    It still should have been a no-call.
    Poor Drew got hit in the torso so hard that his neck jerked. Boo-hoo. Wussification of football

  6. uncledick says: Nov 20, 2013 1:02 PM

    Pathetic fine, shame on the NFL.

  7. xxshookonexx says: Nov 20, 2013 1:02 PM

    What a load….Brees is a flopper. Should they have made it 32,000 knowing that Ray Lewis will pay half?

  8. webehighrollin says: Nov 20, 2013 1:03 PM

    ohh my god….

  9. allday28mvpmvp says: Nov 20, 2013 1:03 PM

    It was not a clothesline. He wraps his arms around Brees as he hits him. Brees is just short and undersized so he looked like a victim.
    You put Big Ben in that exact same spot and its a legal hit. But Brees’ size somehow makes this an illegal hit? Rediculous

  10. allday28mvpmvp says: Nov 20, 2013 1:04 PM

    Brees is clearly hit in the shoulder pads

  11. seatownballers says: Nov 20, 2013 1:05 PM

    That might have been a clean hit, a dirty hit, we could argue all day.
    But this is a bullshat fine. Clearly wasn’t aiming at his head. The league is becoming soft IMO.

    -seahawks fan

  12. seahawkfan4evr says: Nov 20, 2013 1:05 PM

    I get what the nfl is doing but everyone else in the game can be hit in the knees why is it quarterbacks cannot. If they want to elimate helmit hits fine but either noone should be allowed to be hit in the knees or everyone can be.

  13. sportnorcal says: Nov 20, 2013 1:06 PM

    What an embarrassment.
    Why is everything a damn fine these days?

    You already FLAGGED him for it and impacted the game. I dont agree with the call, but given that he was penalized already why the need to squeeze some money out him, too?

    I remember the days when fines were for malicious hits and dirty plays.

  14. jayniner says: Nov 20, 2013 1:06 PM

    Ray Lewis:

    I believe there is a matter of $8,000 you need to pony up here….

  15. jtbsteeler says: Nov 20, 2013 1:06 PM

    Karma is coming Saints, karma is coming. Open your arms and receive it.

  16. uncledick says: Nov 20, 2013 1:06 PM

    I’m an Eagles fan and would hate the call if it went against my team. However, the penalty is bearable, but the fine is just ridiculous and unnecessary.

  17. baltimorons says: Nov 20, 2013 1:06 PM

    It was a hit to the neck. It’s illegal. Similar as that.

  18. reesesteel23 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:07 PM

    This league is a Joke.

    Next time break a couple ribs Brooks. The headline the next day would read:

    “NFL considering banning all hits on quarterbacks”

  19. Paul Stagg says: Nov 20, 2013 1:07 PM

    I can’t pretend I know or understand the NFL rulebook (from what I can tell, the officials can’t either), but if that hit was illegal, the NFL just needs to admit to themselves that they want to change the game to protect big name big money players, and put flags on the QBs and be done with it.

    Maybe that’s the right thing to do, I don’t know. I don’t run the NFL.

  20. nirvana504 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:07 PM

    All I remember is that The Saints won and The Niners lost. It was awesome!

  21. sonoco says: Nov 20, 2013 1:07 PM

    One last time, if the flag isn’t thrown . . . NOBODY . . . NOBODY . . . would be talking about a missed non-call. Brady got hit the exact same way Monday Night (in the pocket) albeit with less force, and there was no call. Will there be a fine for the Panthers D-Lineman? Doubt it

  22. youvebeenphaneufed says: Nov 20, 2013 1:08 PM

    Looks like Ray Lewis is out 8 g’s

  23. AParsons says: Nov 20, 2013 1:08 PM

    And another piece from my childhood dies. Right or wrong, I miss the old game.

  24. maxl49 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:08 PM

    “Ahmad Brooks fined for rushing the passer”

    There, I corrected your title.
    You’re welcome !

  25. poridge1214 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:08 PM

    The NFL is ripe for competition right now. Vince McMahon was a decade ahead of his time with the XFL. If he came back today with a scaled down, less campy version, he could certainly draw some fans and players away from the NFL.

    I know, we all still watch b/c it’s the NFL, but it’s not going back the way it was, and will only get nit-pickier. Start with a new league now, and in 20 years, that league could be what the NFL was in it’s prime. What we have now is garbage.

  26. nygf says: Nov 20, 2013 1:08 PM

    Absurd. Ahmad, crowd-source the remaining $8,000. I’ll donate a buck.

  27. Kaz says: Nov 20, 2013 1:09 PM

    Have anyone figured out where all this fine money goes yet?

  28. tincansailor981 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:10 PM

    I’m definitely a Saints fan but I don’t know about that one.

  29. jetsarestacked says: Nov 20, 2013 1:10 PM

    “…the NFL has made it clear that what defensive players can and must do is hit quarterbacks above the knees and below the neck. ”

    two weeks ago the jets got flagged for hitting brees above the knees and below the neck. it was a more egregious call than the brooks hit.

    watching the nfl shows me that all quarterbacks can be hit. however, some cant be hit too hard. brees falls in that category along with brady and peyton.

  30. marvsleezy says: Nov 20, 2013 1:10 PM

    Can you imagine if QBs just started ducking down and kneeling a little bit in order to draw penalties?

    That would not be good.

  31. steelerben says: Nov 20, 2013 1:10 PM

    The hit was hard and in the chest. Brees being turned inside out was not something that Brooks would be able to control. If this is going to be an illegal and fined hit because it started lower and rose up to the general region of his neck, then from this point forward, any time a quarterback is sacked he should fold up like a cheap suitcase and headbutt the defender’s back. That would make it 15 yards and an automatic first down.

    I’m all for protecting the players from unnecessary and dangerous hits, like Merriweather launching at people’s heads and trying to concuss them. But when you are talking about being hit by a defender cleanly and physics running it’s course, that is a different matter entirely.

  32. realfootballfan says: Nov 20, 2013 1:10 PM

    So basically he got fined for hitting Drew Brees too hard. Wow.

  33. sportnorcal says: Nov 20, 2013 1:11 PM

    Coming in 2015:

    The defense will be required to count to “Five Alligator” prior to rushing the Quarterback.

  34. daysend564 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:12 PM

    The penalty was bad enough, but to fine him too? That is BS.

    – Not a 49ers or Saints fan

  35. peytonwantsaflag says: Nov 20, 2013 1:12 PM

    Bree’s mouth got me thinking – you know what they should start doing? maybe what they should do is keep a chart and then after the game the quarterbacks (after their shower, massage, mani-pedi) can sit down and rate the hits – hard, harder, hardest, very hardester, etc- and then the league can fine them accordingly. Cause really it has nothing to do with location anymore, it’s impact.

  36. cursedvikings1998 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:14 PM

    All of the people saying it was a legal hit, you can scream and squawk and cry and yell to the heavens, but I have watched this hit over 20 times from every conceivable angle, and the first thing I see is Ahmad Brooks’ shoulder pad going directly into Brees’ helmet.

    And all of you saying Brees should be taller, please grow up. Just grow up.

    Mike Pereira said it was an illegal hit.

    Dean Blandino said it was an illegal hit.

    The ref who was standing right there said it was an illegal hit.

    Both Joe Buck and Troy Aikman said it was “clearly” an illegal hit.

    Again, grow up.

  37. explosionsauce says: Nov 20, 2013 1:14 PM

    Just adding a final insult to this embarrassing saga.

  38. slim1337 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:15 PM

    I’m almost done with the game.

  39. mkmk58 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:16 PM

    I feel this was a legal hit that turn illegal once he got to the neck and head area. I don’t think it should get a fine, I don’t believe he intended to finish where he did. A good hard play that ended badly. Should be no fine for Brooks.

  40. senoreno says: Nov 20, 2013 1:16 PM

    Bogus..Nfl is now fining and nullifying exceptional play on anyone considered a Golden Child, and is allowing refs to determine outcome. Got it. How does a player get fined for putting a hit on another players collarbone. You say it was a clothesline? I think not. Brook’s arm was beneath the collarbone, and his hand was on the shoulder blade. Not once was there contact with the neck or head area. Pathetic..This and Patriots no call will be this years Fail Mary. Bring back the replacement refs!

  41. iltibido says: Nov 20, 2013 1:17 PM

    Bree’s still wants an explanation?

  42. explosionsauce says: Nov 20, 2013 1:17 PM

    No place for big hits on star QBs. What a joke.

  43. jvibottomline says: Nov 20, 2013 1:17 PM

    The NFL use to make fun of soccer, now they are soccer, NBA is more physical than the passing camp the NFL has become. Might as well go to 8-man football.

  44. kleppnasty says: Nov 20, 2013 1:17 PM

    The league is a joke. All the talk about the league being to big to fail is also a joke. The only sport I watch is football and even I am about ready to give up on the NFL if they keep taking contact out of the game.

  45. mooberry123 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:21 PM

    “The 49ers and their fans may not like it…”

    NFL….National FLAG league

    Signed,
    Not a niner fan

  46. tv426 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:22 PM

    I love the WHINER fans on here saying he didn’t hit the neck. Look at the pic posted with the article. Where is his arm – around his NECK!!

    Argue all you want about the state of the game today but the rule specifically includes the neck as an off limits area for a QB in the pocket. Therefore, it is a penalty!

    And if you watch the replay, as Brees is going to the ground you can see Brooks yank his helmet upwards – which would have stood as a penalty anyway regardless of the initial hit.

    So WHINERS – go whine about something else (I’m sure next weeks game will be chock full of stuff for you to complain about).

  47. notdemfalcons says: Nov 20, 2013 1:23 PM

    allday28mvpmvp says: Nov 20, 2013 1:03 PM

    It was not a clothesline. He wraps his arms around Brees as he hits him. Brees is just short and undersized so he looked like a victim.
    You put Big Ben in that exact same spot and its a legal hit. But Brees’ size somehow makes this an illegal hit? Rediculous

    ———————–

    I get your sentiment, but Brees’ height isn’t the issue. It’s like the strike zone in baseball. Pedroia’s is smaller than Big Papi’s, for example. Defenders have to account for that as do pitchers.

  48. gadgetdawg says: Nov 20, 2013 1:23 PM

    The news of the fine comes as no surprise: Some may say that there’s nothing defensive players can do anymore, but the NFL has made it clear that what defensive players can and must do is hit quarterbacks above the knees and below the neck.

    ——————-

    You say this like it is true. I watched a couple of shows this week where they got a bunch of former players together, showed them plays and asked if they were legal. Whether the ref called them of not, the players often split on the result.

    Maybe the arcane rules (and the instances they were called) makes sense to you but the rest of us (including former players) have trouble understanding them.

    I mean the play at the end of the Patriots/Panthers game had several former officials disagreeing on what the call should have been (if anything at all). This all tells me the rules are clear as fudge.

    Maybe the NFL should take an offseason to rewrite and clear them up a bit. After all everyone involved should understand them, not just smart sports blog writers . . .

  49. calicowboysfan86 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:23 PM

    Robbed twice.

  50. genericuser8888 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:25 PM

    Defenders have to keep the hit clean throughout the ENTIRE tackling process. It doesn’t matter that Brooks clothes-lined him AFTER he had already hit his chest. He’s gotta keep that hit clean the whole way through.

    Think of it like this. If a defensive player launches himself at a QB and hits a QB in the pads with his hands first but then delivers a massive helmet to helmet hit, is it not a foul just because his hands or arms touched the QB first? Nope. It’s still a penalty. Same thing here. It doesn’t matter what happened first, the hit has to be clean the whole way through.

  51. hen510 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:26 PM

    You can all thank Jim harbaugh for emphasizing hits on quarterbacks and their protection, when its convenient to whine about it to the media before a game that’s ok with jimbo, as long as its “his” qb that’s being protected. Using words like “targeting” may in fact put a target on “your” team.

  52. dvdman123 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:26 PM

    It sounds like many of you posting the hit was clean have been watching way too much ESPN. Look at THE ENTIRE PLAY and just the initial (which was illegal too) contact. Brooks almost pile drives Brees through the Superdome’s carpet. The hit was illegal get over it and move on. It’s obvious the NFL saw the same thing.

  53. dirtyjerzy says: Nov 20, 2013 1:26 PM

    Does the NFL really think fining players is going to change anything, especially since they’re making millions. Maybe they should just suspend the player for a couple of games. I can just imagine owners telling their players that they’ll pick up their fines, just as long as that QB gets hurt. What’s worse? Losing your QB for the season or a player paying a fine?

  54. sbc85 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:27 PM

    allday28mvpmvp says: Nov 20, 2013 1:04 PM

    Brees is clearly hit in the shoulder pads

    =====

    There are several other photos for you to peruse which clearly show Brooks’ hand cupped around Brees’ chin when he’s almost on the ground, and his left hand grazing the back of the helmet. The hit started at the shoulders and moved upward as he went down. Or you could also watch the entire play.

    Mike Pereira said it more than once – “That gets called 10 out of 10 times.”

    Brooks wasn’t intending to make a dirty hit. No one is saying he tried to hurt Brees. But if you watch the entire play, he did go above the chest. Maybe the NFL is wussified these days. Maybe football was better when the QB wasn’t so protected.

    But it’s just flat-out delusional to insist Brooks “clearly” never went above the shoulder pads. Watch the whole play. Look at more than one picture. Watch something besides ESPN, who is milking the controversy for everything they can get out of it.

    Perhaps Brooks will have the fine reduced since it wasn’t an intentional dirty hit. But jeez, stop crying, 40ers fans, that a wrong penalty for a legal hit lost you the game.

    Own up to your 8 total yards in the 4th quarter. Own up to your inability to score any points after that penalty, which happened before the Saints even tied the game.

    The penalty didn’t cost you the game. But if your team thinks it did, that loser, victim mentality may end up costing them the season.

  55. phiddysent says: Nov 20, 2013 1:27 PM

    Now if only the NFL would fine refs for horrendous calls like the one Sunday night.

  56. ilovefoolsball says: Nov 20, 2013 1:27 PM

    HAHA! Time to pay up Brooks!

    What a boneheaded play. He could’ve easily stripped Brees and ended the game yet he decided to go all WWE RAW!

    Well at least he’s got Ray Lewis (the model of ethics) standing up for him and Teddy Bruschi (another non-cheater) saying Brees needs to toughen up.

    My question is what did Brees do wrong here exactly? Nothing.

    Good luck making the playoffs 9ers. If you go back to the dome in the post season I doubt it will be as close of a game.
    San Fran was gift wrapped turnovers and touchdowns and still couldn’t seal the deal.

    OVER – RATED CLAP, CLAP – CLAP CLAP CLAP

  57. sf49ers4 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:28 PM

    Her Drew Brees, remember when Eli got hit in the back by the Jets and he got up and his mouth was bleeding?!?! I guess he really didn’t hit in the back; must’ve been the mouth.

  58. asseenonokra says: Nov 20, 2013 1:28 PM

    You people are ridiculous. Brees clearly got hit in the head and neck area. Video and his bloody lip prove it.

    If you hit someone in the chest and your arm slids up and you end up taking the player down by the facemask, it’s still a penalty, right?

    How is this different?

  59. adderal says: Nov 20, 2013 1:29 PM

    Does anyone know where the fine $ goes? It should all be pooled into a fund for some of these older guys suffering with brain issues. Im sure its not but it would make the fines more tolerable in my view.

  60. saintswillwin says: Nov 20, 2013 1:31 PM

    The 39ers offense hadn’t done crap the entire game, and Brooks knew that the Saints were going to score a TD if the defense didn’t do something.

    They knew their best/only chance of winning the game was to get Brees off the field and that is what they tried to do.

    The Saints were fortunate that the refs didn’t make Brees sit out a play or 2 and get checked out.

  61. sbc85 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:33 PM

    jtbsteeler says: Nov 20, 2013 1:06 PM

    Karma is coming Saints, karma is coming. Open your arms and receive it
    =====

    You must have missed the Pats/Saints game where Saints fans felt they got screwed when Junior Galette was held on the winning TD pass. Please. EVERY SINGLE TEAM gets calls go against them or for them from time to time. Sometime the calls or non-calls are right, sometimes they’re wrong.

    Guess what? If one or even two ref decisions is what you think cost you the game, you didn’t deserve to win.

    BTW “Karma” and “stay classy” are two things said way too much on here.

  62. moondog7 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:34 PM

    All of the QB injuries this year have come from legal hits. There is no way you can stop them from getting hurt. Even if they were playing flag football someone would tear a knee up randomly. Cutler down on a legal sack. Arodg down on a legal sack while scrambling, Vick pulled hammies, EJ Manuel running out of bounds. No QBs have been hurt by any hands to the head hits or anything like that. If you want to ban Helmet to Helmet launching shots that are intentional ok do that. But don’t throw flags when a guys hand touches a helmet or accidentally hits high when the other player ducks. These rules are getting out of control. The QB needs to be scared if his oline cant block, he shouldn’t be looking at the ref crying for a flag. He should be looking to his olineman and calling a run play or three step drop next time.

  63. gintfan says: Nov 20, 2013 1:34 PM

    Here’s what you do.

    1. No longer are QBs to be rushed but they have to declare before the play if it is going to be a pass.

    2. On a pass play the Offense may only have 5 receivers max, 5 linemen still have to be on the field along with the QB.

    3. The Defense can now bring 11 DBs in to cover the receivers.

    4. The QB may only move laterally 2 yards in either direction. He can not move forward or it will be a penalty. He must throw the ball within 6 seconds from the time he takes the snap.

    5. The Offense can declare a full quarter of running or passing to allow the defense to adjust accordingly.

    6. Unless the Offense has declared a running play the QB can not run.

    This should prevent them from getting hit and definitely hit too hard.

  64. hen510 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:35 PM

    explosionsauce says: Nov 20, 2013 1:17 PM

    No place for big hits on star QBs. What a joke.

    I’m assuming your saying that its ok to hammer away on Colin since he isn’t a star qb….correct ?

  65. dac458 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:36 PM

    I’m all for player safety but the NFL might as well make the qbs wear red jerseys. This is getting out of control and defenses are being handicapped.

    Goddell and the owners want more scoring so the rules have all changed in favor of offenses and the NFL wether they want to admit it not is not the same product it was 10-15 years ago. Revenues, cash flows, profitability is up but it’s becoming an inferior product and when you think about the scoring we are now getting into arena football numbers.

    Calle old fashion but I want to see games again where defenses dominated and could compete with these new high octane offenses.

    Can’t help but watch defensive holding on every other play…… This is football fellas the league was doing just fine when clear and blatant pass interference was called.

    The current path the game is going down is great for the protection of players but calls like that on Brooks have no room in football. Clean hit which the NFL doesn’t want to acknowledge because it affected the outcome of the game ala Gronk and the pass interference call on Monday.

  66. ambitoos says: Nov 20, 2013 1:37 PM

    Below the neck and above the knees. Why can’t these guys figure that out. The tv analysts are not helping. Guys like RC whine and cry on TV only because they don’t like the rule changes.

  67. sbc85 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:37 PM

    asseenonokra says: Nov 20, 2013 1:28 PM

    You people are ridiculous. Brees clearly got hit in the head and neck area. Video and his bloody lip prove it.
    =======

    What I’ve determined is 49ers fans are already going to be completely biased, feeding off each other to some kind of righteous anger and unable to see anything other than what they want to see. It’s funny now, considering how much the Saints would get screwed back in the 90s when they were in the same division as the golden team 49ers.

    Everyone else is feeding off ESPN, who has made it their mission to milk this controversy despite just about all other legitimate experts on the topic deeming that the call was correct as applied to the rules. It’s a sheep mentality and I would guess most people “outraged” who aren’t 49ers fans have seen one picture or just listen to ESPN and think Ray Lewis is credible.

  68. annapterp says: Nov 20, 2013 1:38 PM

    What a joke. Good call or bad call..who cares. But why a fine also??!! It wasn’t a dirty or malicious hit. He got the 15 yard penalty. Why does the league keep fining players for playing the game? National Fine Football League.

  69. willjasper says: Nov 20, 2013 1:39 PM

    You have twenty-one guys playing by one set of rules and the quarterbacks playing by a different set.

    I’m all for player safety but there needs to be a consistent set of rules for tackling a player whether it’s a QB standing in the pocket or a defensive lineman picking up a fumble.

    Unless the NFL figures something out I could see it hurting the popularity of the game in the long run.

  70. stixzidinia says: Nov 20, 2013 1:39 PM

    Don’t make the mistake of thinking it’s just 49ers fans that don’t like this. Anybody who has been watching this game for at least 3 decades will take issue with this. The NFL is doing everything it can to kill the Golden Goose. This is not about “player safety” it’s about protecting a monetary investment that generates dollars for the league. The NFL couldn’t give half a turd about the health of Drew Brees as a person. Anybody who can’t see that is drinking the Kool Aid.

    If that had been Brandon Weeden or Ryan Tannehill there would have been no call and no fine. Gauranteed.

  71. telldatruth says: Nov 20, 2013 1:39 PM

    absolutely pathetic

  72. greenbaypackersowner says: Nov 20, 2013 1:39 PM

    So Brees thinks this was a penalty, but he has no problem with bounties?

  73. nj9er says: Nov 20, 2013 1:40 PM

    Saints fans are funny guess they still remember Alex Smith lighting it up against them 2 years ago in the playoffs. As for hit above the knees and below the head as soon as a rib punctures a lung that area will be off limits too. Injuries are random in sports ask Mariano Rivera and Santanio Holmes. All the rules in the world won’t protect nor prevent injury.

  74. booker1974 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:40 PM

    The initial hit was legal, the clothesline that followed, and then throwing Brees to the ground by his neck , was not. There are clear pictures of the neck throw down — I really can’t believe this “controversy” has had the legs that it does.

  75. keylimelight says: Nov 20, 2013 1:40 PM

    I think the NFL is a bit out of control with what gets a fine and what doesn’t. I’d like to see a list of the criteria (though I doubt one exists) they use to determine that.

    Brooks earned a 15 yard penalty against his team for the hit (it was in violation of the rules) so does that mean that every roughing penalty will be fined also? Ain’t right.

    [ Plus, They gave him $16,000 instead of the nominal $7,250 because they heard Ray Lewis was springing for half. (LOL) ]

  76. thraiderskin says: Nov 20, 2013 1:41 PM

    I root for two teams, neither are in my area, and I can honestly say, even if they were, I’d still have only watched 8 quarters of NFL football this season. This is the direction the game is going, there is nothing I can do about it. So i will continue to watch less and less, football, a game I loved and played (even if it was just HS).

  77. saintsfan26 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:42 PM

    This is hilarious to me. The Niners are going to whine about this one call all week long and do absolutely nothing to fix their problems on offense. 188 total yards of offense is downright pathetic. But you wanna blame the refs? Hahahahaha, what a joke.

    Here’s an idea: Don’t hit a quarterback in the neck and then drag him down by his helmet next time. Oh yeah, and get an NFL quarterback. Chumps.

  78. asseenonokra says: Nov 20, 2013 1:43 PM

    (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder,

    –> even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet or facemask is lower than the passer’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him;

    Note 2: A player who initiates contact against a defenseless opponent is responsible for avoiding an illegal act. This includes illegal contact that may occur during the process of attempting to dislodge the ball from an opponent. A standard of strict liability applies for any contact against a defenseless opponent, even if the opponent is an airborne player who is returning to the ground or whose body position is otherwise in motion,

    –>and irrespective of any acts by the defenseless opponent, such as ducking his head or curling up his body in anticipation of contact

  79. usmutts says: Nov 20, 2013 1:45 PM

    I was there. I watched it in real time, live speed. My view was from behind, and slightly to the left of the quarterback. I had an excellent view. What I saw was that the defender had a clear shot at the quarterback with a good opportunity to hit him properly and cleanly. Instead he hit him high, wrapped his arm around his head, and then tried to twist his head clean off.

    People sitting around me were absolutely stunned at what we saw. Then we watched it about six more times on the replay screen. It was one of the most unnecessarily violent hits any quarterback has taken and I’ve been watching football for many decades.

  80. gintfan says: Nov 20, 2013 1:45 PM

    ilovefoolsball says: Nov 20, 2013 1:27 PM

    HAHA! Time to pay up Brooks!

    What a boneheaded play. He could’ve easily stripped Brees and ended the game yet he decided to go all WWE RAW!

    Well at least he’s got Ray Lewis (the model of ethics) standing up for him and Teddy Bruschi (another non-cheater) saying Brees needs to toughen up.

    My question is what did Brees do wrong here exactly? Nothing.

    Good luck making the playoffs 9ers. If you go back to the dome in the post season I doubt it will be as close of a game.
    San Fran was gift wrapped turnovers and touchdowns and still couldn’t seal the deal.

    OVER – RATED CLAP, CLAP – CLAP CLAP CLAP
    ***********************************************

    1. Ethics has nothing to do with Teddy and Ray standing up for Brooks. As Steve Young and Trent Dilfer, two QBs said, it’s football. It went on in HS, College and now guys like Brady and Brees want to change it. There’s always retirement sweetheart. Nobody is making you play.

    2. What did Brees do wrong? Sound off like he is a bench warmer in the 8th grade. Be a Man Boy and stop acting like the game started with you and will end with you. You are privileged to play this game but if it ever gets too much then go see your Army, Navy, Air Force and Marine recruiter to get a safer job.

    Oh and BTW, I’m not a 9ers fan, I’m a football fan that is getting tired of hearing how hard and unsafe this GAME is. By God try serving in the Armed Forces, a Cop or a Fireman then talk to me about how hard it is to play.

  81. raideralex99 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:47 PM

    Message to NFL scouts … Size is no longer a requirement for the QB position. In fact the smaller the QB the better chance you have of winning … No one can hit him.

  82. allday28mvpmvp says: Nov 20, 2013 1:47 PM

    The initial impact and force was all shoulder pads. Just because, at some point, his hands or arm touched the helmet (after the impact) does not make this a penalty

  83. ruffbufffire says: Nov 20, 2013 1:48 PM

    I cant wait till playoffs or super bowl when the qb fakes a slide or fakes going ouf of bounds and the defender lets up and watches a td

  84. allday28mvpmvp says: Nov 20, 2013 1:50 PM

    The impact occurs in the pads. This is obvious because Brees’ neck jerks from the impact. If he got hit in the neck, head area then he would have had a neck injury. The hit was hard, but in the pads. He is getting fines for a hard (legal) hit on a protected QB. If that was Ponder in there I don’t think we would be having this conversation

  85. phx9erfan says: Nov 20, 2013 1:50 PM

    tv426 says:
    Nov 20, 2013 1:22 PM

    I love the WHINER fans on here saying he didn’t hit the neck. Look at the pic posted with the article. Where is his arm – around his NECK!!

    ———————————————-

    PLEASE LOOK AT THE PIC! You can clearly see Brees’ neckso tell me how he hit him in the neck. if the hit was to his neck it wouldn’t have stretched like it did.

    Fantasy Football was the worst thing that ever happened to the NFL. It’s all about the offense and the offensive players. When was the last time a rule was put in to help the Defense?

  86. pmars64 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:51 PM

    Another thing. The rules are specific about the neck area. If Brooks and others don’t like the rules, don’t play. If you don’t like the rules, don’t watch. The NFL’s success and popularity depends on the protection of its star QBs. And because these guys make the game entertaining, it allows players like Brooks and others to make the money they do. Go watch a game with bad QB play. As a Browns fan, I’ve watched plenty of bad football with bad QB play and it’s awful to watch. Who here wants to watch the Browns aside from diehards like me?

    The game is heading toward extinction at some point as it is because of player injuries and because parents will increasingly refuse to let their kids play. In the long run, this means the pool of talented players shrinks and the product on the field will suffer. Then players like Brooks won’t be able to make the same level of money they can today.

  87. gotdressedinabooth says: Nov 20, 2013 1:52 PM

    So you can’t hit QB’s at the knees, but the chop block is still legal?

    Seriously now.

  88. steelerben says: Nov 20, 2013 1:54 PM

    genericuser8888 says:
    Nov 20, 2013 1:25 PM
    Defenders have to keep the hit clean throughout the ENTIRE tackling process. It doesn’t matter that Brooks clothes-lined him AFTER he had already hit his chest. He’s gotta keep that hit clean the whole way through.

    Think of it like this. If a defensive player launches himself at a QB and hits a QB in the pads with his hands first but then delivers a massive helmet to helmet hit, is it not a foul just because his hands or arms touched the QB first? Nope. It’s still a penalty. Same thing here. It doesn’t matter what happened first, the hit has to be clean the whole way through.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    There is a difference in a player launching himself like a missile and then trying to use his hands to loophole out of a penalty and the natural results of a big hit. This wasn’t an instance of a player trying to use his helmet as a weapon or delivering a head slap, or even a potentially very dangerous blow to the throat. This was a player at full speed, tackling someone that weighs 80 lbs less than him. He made contact with the strikezone and from that point forward, it was out of his ability to control the level of contortion of Bree’s neck. From the moment of impact through the moment they both ended up on the ground, it was a ragdoll situation. If Brees can’t be expected to control his own body in that situation, how is it fair to expect Brooks to be able to react and adjust on the way to the turf?

  89. jigga757 says: Nov 20, 2013 1:54 PM

    that was a horrible call..AND IMMA SAINTS FAN!!!

  90. samapoc says: Nov 20, 2013 1:56 PM

    Bottom line is Brooks didn’t have to go for the kill. The hit was vicious. He’s paying for his dirty play.

    Just because it’s football doesn’t mean you get to act like a wild animal. It’s still a game with rules. The hit was stupid. And Brooks should know better.

    This is the kind of thing that has ended careers. It’s not acceptable in my nfl.

  91. skippynj says: Nov 20, 2013 1:59 PM

    I think that fine is about right. This entitled niner franchise and their football-ignorant fanbase need to learn to play the game by the NFL rules and not crybaby Harbaugh rules. Let this be a lesson to you and your peevish fans.

  92. dacktle49 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:00 PM

    What a joke! Just like every clown claiming it was the right call, but if the tables were turned they would be just as outraged.

  93. mikebrowncincinnati says: Nov 20, 2013 2:01 PM

    10 years ago that’s a highlight play. Now it costs you the game… Sad. And I’m Not a 49er fan

  94. canjura says: Nov 20, 2013 2:02 PM

    in high school football, they teach you the proper way of tackling is to stick your facemask into the opponents chest. Why does nobody in the NFL remember that? There is no penalty since you’re not leading with the crown of your helmet, there is no helmet because your facemask is in the guys chest, and there is no penalty for going too low…

  95. theysone says: Nov 20, 2013 2:02 PM

    What a joke. Put flags on ‘em. Tackle football is dying a slow and miserable death.

  96. mattyork1972 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:09 PM

    You crying boy? Want me to go down to MacDonald’s get you some freanh cries and whant burger? How bout a whineaken? 49er

  97. steviaquinn says: Nov 20, 2013 2:11 PM

    I’m a niner hater but, The NFL disgraced themselves with that fine. I’m ashamed to call myself a fan.

  98. daytonaken says: Nov 20, 2013 2:11 PM

    NFL officiating is becoming like Figure Skating scoring, too subjective. I am unable to comprehend whats legal or not. Becoming very uncomfortable with Goodell.

  99. shemberry says: Nov 20, 2013 2:12 PM

    To all of you who are upset about the rules designed to protect the quarterback:

    Do you enjoy watching the likes of Ponder, Henne, Tolzien, Skelton, Gabbert, Weeden, McCoy, Clemens? There is already a shortage of good starting QBs in the league, why on earth wouldn’t the NFL go out of its’ way to protect the most important guy on the team.

    If all I wanted to see was big hits and violence, I could watch MMA. Football is great because of the combination of so many skills including violence and athleticism in the face of that violence.

    Do QBs have an unfair advantage, sure, but it’s worth it to see RW3, Rodgers, Brady, Manning, Brees and others like them.

  100. steviaquinn says: Nov 20, 2013 2:13 PM

    By looking at that photo, its clear he hit him in the shoulder not the neck.

  101. bringbackwayne says: Nov 20, 2013 2:18 PM

    He got off easy. Suh would have been fined 1.6 million.

  102. rainponcho87 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:19 PM

    What is the point of these fines? He clearly didn’t target the head or neck.

    Why not start fining false starts??

  103. chadhenne42 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:21 PM

    The problem is not with the NFL… The problem is the United States legal/political system…
    lawsuits lawsuits lawsuitssss

  104. cadan24 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:22 PM

    Of course they are fining him, this helps validate the referees call in the mind of the NFL…even if it was a terrible one

  105. gotdressedinabooth says: Nov 20, 2013 2:23 PM

    The leg-whip on DE Charles Johnson by a Pats player was every bit as vicious, in its own right, as that hit by Ahmad Brooks. The difference is, Ahmads hit was vicious, but legal because he did not hit him in the neck. Close shouldn’t constitute as IS. That guy from the Pats, was vicious and illegal. The NFL doesn’t make nearly the gripe about that or wanting to “definitely remove those plays from the game” as they do about defensive plays. Offense sells tickets, NFL is a business. Simple math. Lame math.

    BTW, defense STILL wins championships. BAH HUMBUG…

  106. whodoyousuppose says: Nov 20, 2013 2:24 PM

    I’m a massive Saints fan, and when they played the hit back, I thought it was a garbage call. Since reading the rule’s verbiage stating that even if the hit originates below the neckline but continues up beyond it, it is a penalty, I have now changed my opinion to the rule being garbage but it being, technically, the right call. It obviously continued to the neck and head area, as evidenced by him getting up with a bloody mouth. The refs properly applied a terrible rule. If Brooks crowd-sourced his fine, I’d happily contribute to paying it.

  107. MyTeamsAllStink says: Nov 20, 2013 2:26 PM

    If that was Josh McCown getting hit would there have been any flags let alone a fine?doubtful,the NFL is turning into flag football and pretty soon they’ll replace players with robots and still charge fans 150 for nosebleed seats.this is a farce

  108. clssylssy says: Nov 20, 2013 2:28 PM

    Does anybody find it ironic that the Saints are accusing ANYBODY of being vicious and playing dirty? I recall Pierre Thomas using Kurt Warner’s head as a soccer ball…not vicious???Defensive players can no longer do their jobs because we have special circumstances for “defenseless players” How is a defensive player suppose to strip sack the QB without wrapping his arms around him and taking him down? Sorry if Brees is getting to soft to take a hit, perhaps it’s time for him to move over and let a younger player step in. It anger me that all this who ha is made over a play that has been a part of football longer than the Saints franchise has even been around and certain prima donna players get treated like national treasures! I have a feeling karma is about to catch the Saints when they play the Seahawks who will put a REAL hurt on them outside their house where they are not viewed as “special”.

  109. marcinhouston says: Nov 20, 2013 2:28 PM

    Joe Flacco is 6’6, a few inches taller than most NFL QB’s. If a defender launches and hammers the top of his helmet should the refs pick up the flag because the hit would have missed others QBs? Frank Thomas was a pretty tall hitter, if a pitcher threw a fastball into his forehead, should the ump just call it a ball and tell him to stay at the plate, since it would have missed hitting other hitters? I am pretty sure it doesn’t work that way. Brees is 6ft tall, if you don’t hit the top 10 inches and the bottom 18 inches that still leaves 44 inches you can hit.

  110. johnclaytonsponytail says: Nov 20, 2013 2:29 PM

    Did y’all see the same game as me? HE CLOTHESLINED HIM!!! Then threw him down by his helmet. Thays how Brees has a mouth full of blood. That has been illegal since the 70s. Like I said it’s only a clean hit till it’s your QB. Then y’all would be seeing it the same way.

  111. 63deuceman says: Nov 20, 2013 2:29 PM

    I still say the NFL isn’t looking at the cause, but rather the affect. The QB geeting hit is the affect. The cause is teams’ willingness to put QB’s in harms way too often.

    How about putting a reasonable investment in the OL, Green Bay? How about not calling a game that requires so much downfiled passing (and pocket time), New Orleans? How about NOT designing an offense around a QB running around, Washington?

    You know who passes more than any other team? The Lions! And they have among the lowest hit/sack rate in the NFL because they invested in their line and scheme to get the pass out quickly.

  112. dp4life22 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:29 PM

    Steve Young said it best, REFS throw flags cause the hit looked bad, legal or not. If I was a QB I would just lower my head everytime and get the blow to the head.

    DREW BREES is off limits, watch any game where he has been hit unexpected the YELLOW FLAG is thrown.

    Katrina is over lets stop kissing butt to saints NFL

  113. pens5829 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:33 PM

    This is why I quit watching football three years ago. The game has gotten soft and ridiculous ever since Roger took over.

  114. nawlinssaints1956 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:34 PM

    Vikings fans are wishing Ponder would get clotheslined…

  115. raideralex99 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:35 PM

    Law of Phsyics 101 if you hit someone standing still in the back … the neck will snap back.

  116. gosfvr says: Nov 20, 2013 2:40 PM

    Soon, defensive players will have to issue subpoena’s to touch the QB.

  117. uncletuna says: Nov 20, 2013 2:43 PM

    As a Loonnnng time Saints Fan (Archie Manning is still my childhood hero), it was sweet to see a pivotal call geaux our way against the 49ers for a change…

    That said, the 49ers got jobbed. Brooks sack, fumble was a good, clean, legal hit; violent, yes, but just a great play in my book; and, no way should there be a fine…

    And if Brees doesn’t like it, he should’ve redone his contract to allow caps space to have kept Nicks and Bushrod…

  118. mancave001 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:43 PM

    Pathetic. The call was TERRIBLE. He hit him in the shoulder/collar area. Fining him is even worse. If I was Brooks I’d go to war over this.

  119. jarvsing76 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:44 PM

    For those who say that Brees was hit in the neck, I have one question: Give me one instance when a person is hit in the neck and doesn’t grab it afterwards? If Brees was hit in the neck with that much force, he would’ve died, much less would’ve been unable to talk to one of his linemen.

  120. thatstinks says: Nov 20, 2013 2:46 PM

    Incredible . I had a friend tell me that he thought all the fine money went to the NFL front office so they could go to the beach over pro bowl weekend . That is the only way to explain fines like this .

  121. mancave001 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:47 PM

    cursedvikings1998 says:
    Nov 20, 2013 1:14 PM
    All of the people saying it was a legal hit, you can scream and squawk and cry and yell to the heavens, but I have watched this hit over 20 times from every conceivable angle, and the first thing I see is Ahmad Brooks’ shoulder pad going directly into Brees’ helmet.

    And all of you saying Brees should be taller, please grow up. Just grow up.

    Mike Pereira said it was an illegal hit.

    Dean Blandino said it was an illegal hit.

    The ref who was standing right there said it was an illegal hit.

    Both Joe Buck and Troy Aikman said it was “clearly” an illegal hit.

    Again, grow up.
    ————————————–

    I’m quite mature, and I disagree. I looked at it. He hit him in the chest and shoulder area. His neck went forward because of the force of the blow. Buck and Aikman are idiots. Blandino is an idiot. The ref is a total idiot. Periera is not, but he’s wrong. And so are you.

  122. mubbcsoc says: Nov 20, 2013 2:48 PM

    Dear Seahawks fans,

    Hit Brees hard.

    -49er fan

  123. allday420ap says: Nov 20, 2013 2:48 PM

    salt in the wound

  124. josemm444 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:48 PM

    I agree with the call, but the fine is ridiculous. The guy was making a play, broke the rule, got flagged. Ridiculous to fine him on “bang-bang” play.

  125. footballislamenow says: Nov 20, 2013 2:49 PM

    Football is lame now. The game has changed and it is now no better than a touch football game or it is a penalty. I blame it on the NFL. They changed the game to keep the QB’s in the game longer. That’s BS. Defense can not even hit anyone hard any more. If you want to keep the QBs out there to sell your game why would you not allow the defense to cover WR’s tighter which would reduce the amount of pass receptions and the willingness to pass sooooo much. NFL did it to themselves. First they show all of the big hits now they pull back and blame it opn the players. Again that’s BS. The NFL commissioner is like our politicians, always watching the polls instead doing what is right for the game. If you want QBs to play longer , make teams run more, not pass more! Dear Lord! Well I can tell you this NFL will be losing fans more and more each year and soon will be like the NHL.

    Signed,

    Sick of it

  126. boisestatewhodat says: Nov 20, 2013 2:49 PM

    I often wonder where they find some of you people. Maybe you’re all NBC moles, placed here to insight insanity.

    Stop referencing Katrina. It is pure ignorance to think that the NFL has a love affair with the Saints. The league does however, have a love affair with the city of NOLA. This is because its the best football town for fans everywhere.

    Brooks was in clear violation of the rule and the violation was properly penalized on the field…the ref made the correct interpretation of the rule violation. In my opinion however, Brooks did not act maliciously and by no means intended to injure Brees…its football. I do not agree with the fine. Leave the fines for players like Suh, who intentionally stomp on the heads of players.

  127. johnnyb1976 says: Nov 20, 2013 2:54 PM

    There’s only 6 QB in the NFL that would get this called, and Brees is one of the 6. If the hit is on any other QB but those 6 it’s a sack fumble and the game is over.

  128. yourignorancespreads says: Nov 20, 2013 2:55 PM

    I’m a die hard saints fan. And I think they got this one wrong. The NFL has become a joke and I lose interest every year since GOODELL has taken over. I wish I could say that I see a light at the end of the tunnel but unfortunately I see the beginning of the end of what we all know as football. Now even if the 49ers did recover the saints woulda stopped them and scored anyhow so let’s just be real people the saints are the truth and the 48ets are not. It wasn’t like there was 3 seconds in the clock and there was a pass interference on the end zone. Lol. Oh wait that happened this week as we’ll. GOODELL your really great for this sport u slime. Go fade away because the only thing that will be remembered about you is that you were a fake money grubbing little punk.

  129. jetsjetsjetsnow says: Nov 20, 2013 2:57 PM

    Fine throw the flag as it was a borderline call but don’t fine the guy on top of it!! Its not like he was headhunting Brees. Hope he wins the appeal!!

  130. kingokra says: Nov 20, 2013 3:00 PM

    Oh, cry, cry, cry, oh…cry, cry, cry. I really hope all of you clowns who say “this is why I don’t watch/won’t watch the NFL” back that up and stop watching the NFL. We don’t need you and they don’t need you. Also, you might want to read the actual rule invoked here; it was a penalty. Too bad it wasn’t your quarterback getting closelined by a felon. There’s a reason you can’t head hunt quarterbacks. The reason is so that you don’t have to watch endless games featuring McGloin, Ponder, Campbell, Gabbert, etc. Have you seen the prime time games this year? Absolute garbage. I would rather watch an NFL with Brady, Mannings, Brees, Rodgers (when healthy), Newton. Otherwise, it’s no better than arena. So in summation, close the pie hole unless you know the rule and hope the league doesn’t lose more good qb’s because of clowns like Brooks.

  131. ncsaintsfan78 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:02 PM

    Okay please stop with your Saints or Niners or NFL comments. The NFL is not a non-profit organization. They are in a business to make money. The only reason that these rules were put in place is to prove to the court judges that they are putting in place changes for player safety. Ask yourself this……if Drew Brees was your kid and he got hit like that would you or would you not yell at the refs to throw the flag? Next time you see a player get hit hard think about his friends and family and what it would be like for you when you are 60-70-80 years old and getting hit like that. Do you not like the new rules? Turn your tv off….get rid of NFL Sunday Ticket….Turn in your season tickets!!! Stop supporting a league that you have no control over by not putting money in their pockets. Until then act like the rest of us….grin and bear it….we all have issues with some play at some time for our teams.

  132. mylionsroaring says: Nov 20, 2013 3:02 PM

    NFL League

    Not For Long League

    This has gotten ridicules. I get it they want more scoring, the problem is that’s called college football. They are taking away what made the NFL so special. I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if they start losing ratings, and people stop going to games. People spend a lot of money to go to games ect to have Refs decide who wins and loses, and for clean hits to be called personal fouls, while a catch is no longer a catch, a sack is no longer a sack, a fumble is no longer a fumble, heck a kickoff is no longer a kickoff. Games are no longer decided by the players on the field they are decided by who gets the best calls in a game. What is pass interference? Who knows, What is illegal contact? Who knows. What a a catch? Who knows. That is all based on what the ref feels like not how the player plays. I knew this would happen when they started to review plays.

    You want to give yourself a good test. Watch a game from the early 90′s or even the late 90′s then watch a game from the last two years. Tell me what direction the game has gone. NFL Classic will give you an idea. This new NFL SUXX and we didn’t even see it coming. It’s like how the Devil creeps into your life and before you know it your a drug addict, alcoholic, or you marriage is destroyed. You look back and see where it started and think I never seen this coming. Well gentlemen that’s where we are with the NFL and it SUXX IMHO

  133. encroachmentor says: Nov 20, 2013 3:04 PM

    People who disagree with this being a penalty are obviously only watching the first half of the hit, it was the second half of the hit that drew the penalty where his arm comes around the neck and slams him down to the turf. Like it or not, that is the RULE. The 9ers and their fans should be more upset that their offense had back to back 3 and outs in the 4th quarter and were held to less than 200 total yards in the entire game.

  134. kenny2neworleans says: Nov 20, 2013 3:07 PM

    Life long saints fan. Is it a stupid rule? YES but it’s the rule. Why is no one talking about the fact that kapernick got away with intentional grounding in the end zone? Should have been a safety!

  135. maestro71 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:08 PM

    Is it even possible anymore to get flagged for a personal foul and not also be fined? I really hate the state of the game right now. I miss the controversy-free bone-crushing hits that made football so great.

  136. Patskrieg dot com says: Nov 20, 2013 3:11 PM

    Good call. Karma for Aldon Smith’s prescription drug addiction. “Stay classy.”

  137. surfoside4life says: Nov 20, 2013 3:15 PM

    Chump change for ray ray

  138. winsb31 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:16 PM

    What a freaking JOKE!!!!!

    I am sure pink panty man is happy…..this is becoming, or already is a WUSSY league and the pinkies from N.O. lead the way.

  139. mcporche says: Nov 20, 2013 3:19 PM

    Steelerben,

    >>If this is going to be an illegal and fined hit because it
    >>started lower and rose up to the general region of his neck

    To clarify. The rule specifically says that contact with the head/neck area is prohibited EVEN IF IT STARTS BELOW THE NECK (that part is even highlighted in red). So, yes, it is illegal if it starts lower, and rises up.

  140. flyboy69 says: Nov 20, 2013 3:23 PM

    Saints= 8-2
    Niners= 6-4

    Enugh said……

  141. mcporche says: Nov 20, 2013 3:29 PM

    gintfan,

    >>2. What did Brees do wrong? Sound
    >>off like he is a bench warmer in the 8th
    >>grade.

    Is this what you call it when he is asked a question about the hit, and starts off by praising Brooks as a hard nosed clean football player, and said he didn’t think that there was anything malicious about the hit. Then he said that he had sympathy for defensive players because of how hard it is to hit a quarterback?

    That’s sounding off like a bench warmer in the 8th grade?

  142. lengai says: Nov 20, 2013 3:31 PM

    Everyone saying this was a legal hit and that the NFL is not worth watching really needs to breathe and accept the truth.

    It was an illegal hit. Brooks’ right shoulder drives solidly into the right side of Brees’ helmet. It’s not a debate and everyone complaining needs to stop embarassing themselves.

  143. byzr says: Nov 20, 2013 3:40 PM

    is it legal to close line guys ? that’s what it looked like to me and i don’t think that’s legal so i don’t know about the fine but the penalty seemed warranted to me.

  144. genericuser8888 says: Nov 20, 2013 4:01 PM

    @steelerben

    He made contact with the strikezone and from that point forward, it was out of his ability to control the level of contortion of Bree’s neck. From the moment of impact through the moment they both ended up on the ground, it was a ragdoll situation. If Brees can’t be expected to control his own body in that situation, how is it fair to expect Brooks to be able to react and adjust on the way to the turf?
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You see, this is where you are wrong. You say “it was out of his ability to control the level of contortion of Brees’ neck”. His arm hit Brees’ neck on the follow through. As a defender, it’s his responsiblity to tackle in such a manner that hits to the “head or neck area” don’t happen at all. It doesn’t matter if he launches himself like a missile or makes a blindside tackle, he’s got to be trained in tackling techniques that make sure he avoids the head and neck through out the entire tackling process. In his instance, his bicep went straight to Brees’ throat on the follow through. The “ragdog” argument doesn’t really work for me. Brooks wasn’t a ragdog, Brooks was a freaking freight train coming straight at Brees’ blindside, and that’s why the responsibility to tackle properly falls on Brooks, and not on Brees to “fall” safely.

  145. theysone says: Nov 20, 2013 4:07 PM

    mcporche says:
    Nov 20, 2013 3:19 PM
    Steelerben,

    >>If this is going to be an illegal and fined hit because it
    >>started lower and rose up to the general region of his neck

    To clarify. The rule specifically says that contact with the head/neck area is prohibited EVEN IF IT STARTS BELOW THE NECK (that part is even highlighted in red). So, yes, it is illegal if it starts lower, and rises up.
    _____________________________________
    ACTUALLY, the rule states if contact of the defenders helmet or facemask first contacts the player below the neck or head, then rises up to the neck or head area, it is a penalty. It says a blow directly to the neck or head with the arm is a penalty, but the word arm is left out of the initial contact with the body, then hitting the head or neck part of the rule.

    No one is paying attention to this subtlety.

    Therefore, when Brooks’ arm came to rest under Brees’ chin after initially hitting brees square in the shoulders, it was a legal hit.

  146. flyboy69 says: Nov 20, 2013 4:17 PM

    Drew Brees for President……WHO DAT

  147. seaeagle707 says: Nov 20, 2013 4:19 PM

    The NFL is currently paying out hundreds of millions to old players who’ve claimed that head hits have done all sorts of bad things to them. The families of some deceased vets have joined in claiming that rough play caused their players/husbands/fathers to depart “before their time”. Team owners are crying elephant tears about excessive violence being perpetrated upon their multi-million QB investments.

    So what choice does the league have? Allow the head/neck hits to continue and go broke? Would the fans prefer that? Not having any pro football to watch?

    In order to keep the NFL viable and going forward and keep the injury lawyers at bay, the league is currently being very tough on those hits that are deemed “too close to the head”. Don’t like it? Don’t watch pro football, because this will continue. Guaranteed.

  148. studio26seattle says: Nov 20, 2013 4:24 PM

    Maybe QBs should be wearing different jerseys with a yellow box from their chest to there knees to mark their legal ‘hit zone’. Then the rules can’t be so ambiguous.

  149. patriotinvasion says: Nov 20, 2013 4:27 PM

    Football just died a little bit more today. Why can’t the hit just be flagged and that’s the end of it? You know, like the way it was for over 40 successful years?

  150. herkulease says: Nov 20, 2013 4:29 PM

    kenny2neworleans says: Nov 20, 2013 3:07 PM

    Life long saints fan. Is it a stupid rule? YES but it’s the rule. Why is no one talking about the fact that kapernick got away with intentional grounding in the end zone? Should have been a safety!

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    Because he was outside of the tackle box and wasn’t even in the endzone. The ref’s claim of “well outside” is debatable but he was outside of it. The problem is people always assume the ball is played in the middle. It wasn’t. It was placed on the left hashmark. Remember Kapaernick was snacked on 1st down, try to escape to the left of the pocket.

  151. saintwho says: Nov 20, 2013 4:34 PM

    any chance they could add a fine to the whining fans of “football”? This hit has been illegal since the 1960′s. Ray Lewis lol, murderer… Teddy Bruski lol, cheater. These really the people you all want to look up to? Find new role models kids, try Drew Brees, the toughest football player in the game today. For those saying he gets the Brady, Manning treatment, you obviously do not watch Saints games unless they are playing your team so wouldn’t it be better to leave out your assumptions? You know what they say about assumptions right.

  152. rockstart42 says: Nov 20, 2013 4:52 PM

    I am for the penalty…

    but the fines are becoming non-sense. Lay off the fines already unless it well deserved.

  153. hennessey1200hp says: Nov 20, 2013 5:20 PM

    Bret Favre gives a standing O to Brooks

  154. the1849ers says: Nov 20, 2013 7:29 PM

    If Brooks hit Brees “in the neck” how come I can see his neck during the hit? (stretching out like a turtle)

  155. sfsugator says: Nov 20, 2013 7:43 PM

    The nfl is becoming more watered down every day, please stop ruining our favorite sport. This is not soccer.

    Sincerely

    NFL fans everywhere

  156. blackbeard43 says: Nov 20, 2013 11:10 PM

    It’s cuz Brees is short. Brooks is used to hitting QBs on the chest that are 6’4″, 6’5″ that’s why he hit him on the neck.

  157. mark4steelers says: Nov 20, 2013 11:37 PM

    NO QB’s should get special treatment. We wouldn’t know Tom Brady’s name if Drew Bledsoe hadn’t gotten injured in 2001 giving Brady the chance to play. One player goes down, another steps up. In fact, refs wrapping certain QB’s in Baby Swaddlers gives those specific teams unfair advantages over opponents. You can put an asterix next to every win Drew Breese, Tom Brady & Payton Manning get just because defenses don’t have the same opportunity to stop them as they do other teams. It’s wrong & not fun to watch.

  158. jhop86 says: Nov 21, 2013 7:37 AM

    How could he help it BREES is 5 11 If he was 6 4 it would be different I bet it was not intended and there will be lots of bounty system comments

  159. greenbaypackersowner says: Nov 21, 2013 1:37 PM

    Poor little Drew.

  160. daveitsgood says: Nov 21, 2013 3:21 PM

    genericuser8888 says:
    Nov 20, 2013 4:01 PM

    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    You see, this is where you are wrong. You say “it was out of his ability to control the level of contortion of Brees’ neck”. His arm hit Brees’ neck on the follow through. As a defender, it’s his responsiblity to tackle in such a manner that hits to the “head or neck area” don’t happen at all. It doesn’t matter if he launches himself like a missile or makes a blindside tackle, he’s got to be trained in tackling techniques that make sure he avoids the head and neck through out the entire tackling process. In his instance, his bicep went straight to Brees’ throat on the follow through. The “ragdog” argument doesn’t really work for me. Brooks wasn’t a ragdog, Brooks was a freaking freight train coming straight at Brees’ blindside, and that’s why the responsibility to tackle properly falls on Brooks, and not on Brees to “fall” safely.

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    You realize the the blindside is behind him and in order for Brooks to come like a “freaking freight train coming straight at Brees’ blindside” he would have had to have come from behind him right? If Brees is facing Brooks in his normal drop back, Brooks isn’t coming blindside.

  161. mcporche says: Nov 21, 2013 4:53 PM

    iltibido: “Bree’s still wants an explanation?”

    When did he say that?

  162. worknman24hours says: Nov 25, 2013 8:09 AM

    Especially on pass receivers and quarterbacks, the only legal hit will be on the torso, the area between the neckline and just above the knees of a player.

    Some players have commented that they will now go after the knee area as a response to being overly penalized for above the neck hits.

    Slash blocks at the knee will cause the NFL to start over penalizing those types of hits as well.

    This process will make defensive players much more creative in the way they deliver their hits.

    The offensive players they are trying to stop will not get away from the decisive brutal impact, the self retrained defensive expert player will just get way better at where and how they deliver that stopping blow.

    The game is evolving for the better and there are some really smart defense standouts who are still hammering those offense players and obeying the rules as they do it.

    When you see a quarterbacks legs come right out from under him from a legal,properly delivered torso only impact, you can only marvel at the power that the defense player put into such a small area of impact.

    And usually, that defense player is standing after that hit, never having hit the ground.

    You play offense, you ain’t getting away with murder-the defensive player will just get better at how he hits you.

    And there won’t be any defense penalty to be smiling about either.

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