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Officials miss roughing call on Saints

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Saints fans who zealously have been defending the flag thrown on 49ers linebacker Ahmad Brooks for hitting quarterback Drew Brees in the neck have suddenly fallen silent.

Saints defensive lineman Akiem Hicks got away with a more obvious infraction in the second quarter of Thursday night’s game at the Georgia Dome.

Hicks hit Falcons quarterback Matt Ryan in the face with a hand while Ryan was in the pocket.  No flag was thrown by referee Ron Winter.

It’ll be interesting to see whether Hicks gets fined next week.  Under the standard that was applied to Brooks, Hicks should be making an involuntary contribution to the NFL’s various charitable efforts.

The rules prohibit all forcible blows to the head or neck of defenseless players, which includes quarterbacks in the pocket.

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  1. aces79 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:19 PM

    Matt Ryan got sacked with the face mask grabbed no flag WoW the commentators even saying talk about that no flag and talk about Ahmed Brooks sack the NFL is all about ratings they are trying to make the next week Monday nite game interesting because its Saints vs Seahawks

  2. nfl4days says: Nov 21, 2013 9:20 PM

    As a saints fan, missing that call is inexcusable. I have 0 respect for NFL refs right now.

  3. maxl49 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:21 PM

    I think the defenseless definition applies only to top 5 QBs.

  4. steviaquinn says: Nov 21, 2013 9:22 PM

    When did the NFL stop becoming a sporting event and became an episode of Amish Mafia?

    I guess the NFL like the ratings of honey boo boo more than a legit sporting event.

    The refs determine the outcomes of games now, not players…FACT

  5. niner13 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:26 PM

    No justice.

  6. jordache49 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:26 PM

    He did it to #7 last week too. Zebras can’t be deciding games like last week

  7. thepftpoet says: Nov 21, 2013 9:27 PM

    It’s funny how the refs are cheating for the saints like during bountygate on that asterisk Super Bowl win

  8. mrsteelcity says: Nov 21, 2013 9:33 PM

    All you can do is laugh smh

  9. northeastkiller says: Nov 21, 2013 9:34 PM

    Feel free to NOT speak for us, Mike. We know we got away with one there, I’m sure we can admit that.

  10. seaeagle707 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:38 PM

    But are you real sure Mike, that Ryan didn’t force his face against Hicks’s hand?

  11. jakafett says: Nov 21, 2013 9:40 PM

    I am sure the saints love this rule

  12. maverick0 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:40 PM

    Judging by what happen on the Brees hit, then even though no flag, Hicks should still get fined $16K, right Goddell?

  13. atlfan31833 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:41 PM

    Don’t teams normally get “home cookin'” from the refs? Not the Falcons. Refs don’t want to mess up Saints season.

  14. tovar176 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:42 PM

    Well if course the flag did not get thrown on the defender, because the QB was over 5’8″…and his last name was not Brees.

  15. dude2424 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:45 PM

    It’s Matt Ryan’s fault for not being 6’10”

  16. sonoco says: Nov 21, 2013 9:46 PM

    Let’s just wait to make that call when the game is on the line and the “foul” is far less egregious. Bravo. Hicks will get fined and we’ll all shrug and move on.

  17. titansbro says: Nov 21, 2013 9:51 PM

    Shoulda been a flag on Ryan for illegal contact with helmet to defensive players hand.

  18. thepftpoet says: Nov 21, 2013 9:53 PM

    The refs are favoring the Saints?

    This is my suprised face.

  19. theysone says: Nov 21, 2013 9:54 PM

    I’m quickly losing interest in this joke of a league.

    Anyone have any advice as to what sport I should take up watching instead?

    Baseball is a joke with all the roids. Baseketball…there were refs found guilty of fixing games/shaving points. Guess that leaves Hockey, eh?

  20. thepftpoet says: Nov 21, 2013 9:54 PM

    Let me bring you back to the 2009 NFC Championship game when the refs let 4 roughing the passer calls go and basically gave the saints the game because they wanted them in the Super Bowl because of hurricane Katrina…

  21. Hurley1980 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:55 PM

    So I wonder who the Seahawks will be playing next week….the saints or the refs? This is getting out of hand now.

  22. thegronk87 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:56 PM

    Home cookin – louisiana gumbo

  23. deathonwings410 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:56 PM

    The NFL is starting to resemble the WWE.

  24. mwm367 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:58 PM

    Don’t worry, the Panthers have something for the’aints that the refs can’t even save them from.

  25. nirvana504 says: Nov 21, 2013 9:59 PM

    Yes it should of been a flag but Matt Ryan isn’t elite so who cares

  26. honkerdawg says: Nov 21, 2013 10:01 PM

    Another reason to have full time officials like baseball has.

  27. chinahand11 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:05 PM

    maxl49 says:
    Nov 21, 2013 9:21 PM
    I think the defenseless definition applies only to top 5 QBs.

    Thank you maxl I was thinking along those lines. This is how they alert Ryan that he’s not elite; they allow him to get ring necked and face masked. Now he knows. But good luck to him.

  28. keylimelight says: Nov 21, 2013 10:06 PM

    Beg to differ on Saints fans falling silent. All the Saints comments I’ve read on the game threads are saying it should have been called.

  29. dodgerlakerfan1969 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:07 PM

    NFL working hard to get another Brees Peyton Super Bowl. If they could just somehow keep screwing the Patriots they might get their wish.

  30. lovetohate12 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:07 PM

    love how this is Falcons Super Bowl. How sad for them.

  31. noffy32 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:07 PM

    The NFL is as bad as boxing was years ago. The outcome has been predetermined.

  32. jonny42671 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:08 PM

    Super Bowl …..ASTERISK

  33. thestrategyexpert says: Nov 21, 2013 10:09 PM

    My highly ingenious plan for an Oversight Person would have prevented this issue as well as the goal-post issue, also packaged with improvements to the rulebook and protecting the referees from making mistakes with bad calls or non-calls, or any procedural or protocol missteps.

    It’s just a logical idea to make the game professional and clean and fair and just and running smoothly and without complaints from the audience, and to eliminate fodder for the media to scavenge on.

  34. ilovefoolsball says: Nov 21, 2013 10:11 PM

    thepftpoet says:
    Nov 21, 2013 9:27 PM
    It’s funny how the refs are cheating for the saints like during bountygate on that asterisk Super Bowl win
    ——–/-
    So let me get this straight the NFL purposefully allowed the saints to cheat to win the Super Bowl so they could then suspend the coach for a year, and they’re doing the same thing again?

    Cool story bro. Tell it again.

  35. haminator says: Nov 21, 2013 10:12 PM

    I really hope this crappy officiating is addressed by the “higher ups.” It’s out of control. What’s good for the goose is good for the gander, no? Doesn’t matter who the QB – rules (even stupid ones), should apply to all. Sick of it!

  36. johnclaytonsponytail says: Nov 21, 2013 10:20 PM

    They should called it but realized it was only Matt Ryan. Regardless of his over payed contract he’s not elite enough to garnish a flag.

  37. genericuser8888 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:20 PM

    The refs took a lot of flack for that call (which the league and multiple referees said was the correct call) in the Saints/49ers game last week, so they are overcompensating and trying NOT to make an attention getting call this week.

    Damned if they do, damned if they don’t. Attention or not, they just need to make sure they do the job RIGHT, and I say this as a Saints fan who thinks we probably should have been called in that first quarter.

  38. nflfan1976 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:20 PM

    Wondering if Brees thinks this warranted a flag? Of course not, it would of hurt his team.

    NFL refs are taking over the games and deciding outcomes. See Super Bowl, Seahawks – Packers last year, Niners – Saints, & Pats – Panthers, just to name a few. Take away replays if they still can’t get it right.

  39. benrob99 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:24 PM

    Stop with all the “conspiracy theory” nonsense. It’s Ron Winter. He’s absolutely awful at his job. Complain about incompetence, not conspiracy.

  40. coltzfan166 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:26 PM

    Surprising. The Ron Winter group throws the most flags of all of them.

  41. shayeezy says: Nov 21, 2013 10:27 PM

    since ryan didn’t even get the pass off, the ball was uncatchable, nullifying the personal foul.

  42. travh20 says: Nov 21, 2013 10:28 PM

    Seems to me the saints have been chosen to go far this year by the WWF, I mean NFL.

  43. danpatrickisatool says: Nov 21, 2013 10:44 PM

    Its funny because that was actually a penalty, unlike the hit on Brees. Everyone knows the NFL has a chubby for Drew.

  44. beerbudsnbevo says: Nov 21, 2013 11:14 PM

    Not really into all the conspiracy theory crap, especially on the eve of Kennedy…

    But man it sure seems like the NFL is also trying to protect Brees.

    Just ask the 9ers

  45. hess97 says: Nov 21, 2013 11:23 PM

    Nicks got away with one against the niners! Much more obviously grabbed Kap by the neck than brooks, who initially hit torso and his arm slid up as the two bodies followed through on their separate momentums. Also, got to mention saints beat the Bucs in week 2 when a very questionable roughing the passer call negated Tampa’s sack/fumble. Is the league bending over backwards to even things out from the result of their bounty penalties?

  46. marcinhouston says: Nov 21, 2013 11:35 PM

    The Falcons should thank the Saints, an insurance check is more valuable than Matt Ryan for $100 million.

  47. cbblitz says: Nov 21, 2013 11:39 PM

    Absolutely disgusting. The league NEEDS to step in and do something, this has been a season skewed by the refs.

    This is the NFL, it is difficult enough to beat your opponent. Can’t beat the refs…

  48. 4evrnyt says: Nov 21, 2013 11:40 PM

    If it had resulted in a fumble that would have likely lead to the Saints losing the game, the flag would have been thrown.

    Complete BS that penalties are not able to be reviewed. There is no reasonable explanation for it, if the coaches only have two reviews per game why can’t it be for any play or penalty? All plays that are reviewed are in some way because of the judgement of the ref being called into question, either they didn’t see the foot on the line or they thought thought they did. Why shouldn’t that same burden of proof be applied to penalties? Like the 49er game penalties can play a HUGE impact on the game and that should simply never happen.

  49. hpeters77 says: Nov 21, 2013 11:43 PM

    As a saints fan they should have thrown a flag but I don think It would have effected the game who dat for life

  50. thundastormz says: Nov 21, 2013 11:44 PM

    The NFL lives their golden boy Brees.

  51. andyvictory says: Nov 21, 2013 11:48 PM

    Why are so many people acting like these B.S. calls are a pressing, terrible, and current problem driven by favoritism? Is this your first year as a football fan? Or were you lucky enough to be fans of one of the annually coddled, worshipped and protected teams with “Golden boy” QB’$. This has been going on for a LONG time. Get used to it, or start watching marquee games on NFL classix when football was a gladiator sport and the best team ACTUALLY won. Get over it, you are watching a thriving business grow, the fact that it is a competitive “sporting event” takes a distant back seat , and this is the product that results. Good game tonight, not a fan of either team but i’m glad the hurting Falcons made it a battle.

  52. flexx91 says: Nov 21, 2013 11:54 PM

    thepftpoet says:
    Nov 21, 2013 9:27 PM
    It’s funny how the refs are cheating for the saints like during bountygate on that asterisk Super Bowl win
    ___________________________________

    Still better than your team’s no Super Bowl run…..

  53. saintswin says: Nov 21, 2013 11:58 PM

    Ho Hummm 9-2 Get Ready Seattle here we come!

  54. booker1974 says: Nov 22, 2013 12:00 AM

    It should have been flagged and Hicks got away with one. To his credit, though, after smacking Ryan in the face he didn’t finish the play by throwing him down by his neck. He’ll probably get a fine, but not as high as the one Brooks got.

  55. mborz says: Nov 22, 2013 12:04 AM

    I still think officiating was better before instant replay. I think refs felt more pressure to get the calls right on the field because they didn’t have replay to fall back on. After a few years of that, you lose your edge, and miss more things on the field as a result.

  56. 4d9erdynasty says: Nov 22, 2013 12:35 AM

    awful, he even grabbed some facemask. It wasnt Drew Brees, Tom Brady, or Peyton Manning so its ok.

  57. fan73 says: Nov 22, 2013 12:36 AM

    love the saints but thats a flag… Hicks should get fined….

  58. rabbdogg says: Nov 22, 2013 12:37 AM

    hicks hand did barely touch ryans facemask…a penalty could have been called..the difference in the two hits is..hicks lays ryan down gently like a new born baby…while brooks hit brees with the rock bottom …but continue your crying session falCLOWNS, 40 whiners, and vikeQUEENS fans…you all lost, because u got beat..not because of one call… u sissies

  59. der6495 says: Nov 22, 2013 12:39 AM

    I wouldn’t expect Ron Winter to see anything.

  60. cornerstone2001 says: Nov 22, 2013 12:39 AM

    You want the truth? You can’t handle the truth. The truth is the NFL feels guilty about bounty-gate so they’ve hand picked the Saints to win and instructed refs to cheat for them

  61. saintsredwings says: Nov 22, 2013 12:50 AM

    As a Saints fan, Hicks on Ryan was more of a penalty than what Brooks did to Brees last week. The officiating in sports is horrid.

  62. dmerch says: Nov 22, 2013 12:51 AM

    these refs are not consistent and i guarantee you that there going to try and say it was legal since his arm ended up on the qb’s chest

  63. jdphx says: Nov 22, 2013 12:53 AM

    Hicks will get fined….
    Referee Winter should as well!

  64. robf2010 says: Nov 22, 2013 1:04 AM

    Saints fan here. The refs missed the call. That simple. Speaking of silence, though, Brees was ripped when he said he expected a flag. I’ll assume the same criticism will be shown to Matt Ryan for expecting a flag.

  65. whodatnmyrtleb says: Nov 22, 2013 1:12 AM

    Wow, lots of Saints Haters here. The Sack on Brees, Brooks continued to bring him down by his neck and head, its absolutely the right call that’s why he was fined.
    The refs blew it here on this call, but can you really say this was just as bad, yes, he grabbed the facemask, should have been a penalty, I totally agree, but he let go and brought him down by the shoulder. He didn’t tackle him by the neck or head.

  66. badmoonrison says: Nov 22, 2013 1:44 AM

    Its getting to be literally EVERY SINGLE GAME the refs blow it in one way or another, or at the very least there’s some controversy involving a call or lack thereof. Ive been watching football religiously for almost 20 years and although there has always been the occasional bad call, it never used to be this bad. Whats the problem with officials these days?

  67. vegasvinnie says: Nov 22, 2013 2:35 AM

    Wow, no Vikings fans coming in a whining about the refs in the NFC Championship game 4 years ago? You’re slipping, guys.

  68. romosrevenge says: Nov 22, 2013 2:57 AM

    It is becoming very obvious that the refs favor certain teams and even hate others. A few Sunday nites ago these same favored Saints were the benefit of a no-call vs. Dallas when Harris , returning a punt was jacked by a Saint after he took no less than 3 full strides out of bounds. Blatant and crystal clear with a sideline ref no more than 5 feet away. I also recall an out of bounds late hit by Matthews of GB vs. Kaepernick. Is this “fixing” of games by direction from the League office, the networks and/or does it matter? My take is that there is now just too much money at stake for everyone involved in the pro game. Along with the new rules that overly protect, fans will be turning more and more to the college game.

  69. cmosiedrum says: Nov 22, 2013 3:11 AM

    The more I watch the officiating, the less respect I have for the NFL!

  70. saintsfan26 says: Nov 22, 2013 5:59 AM

    So they missed a call. So what. It happens. I’m just thankful they didn’t miss the clothesline last week.

  71. mkmk58 says: Nov 22, 2013 6:13 AM

    I’m a Brees fan and yes Nicks should have been flagged on this play. I don’t think either Brooks or Nicks should be fined unless they have a history of these types of hits or intent. Neither player intended to hit the player in the head, but they did. Should of been a 15 yarder.

  72. winsb31 says: Nov 22, 2013 6:47 AM

    what do you expect, it wasnt mr. pink panties crying on the field…..

    that was an actual penalty, the hit on mr. pink panties was not a penalty

  73. treesloth16 says: Nov 22, 2013 6:53 AM

    Seems like the Commish is trying to make amends for screwing the Saints last year.

  74. melikefootball says: Nov 22, 2013 7:58 AM

    Gödel fines this hit but still no mention of fine for the golden boys actions against the officials, Brady.

  75. 44mpo says: Nov 22, 2013 8:00 AM

    Terrible no call on that play. The officials better be held accountable for that one.

  76. kenny2neworleans says: Nov 22, 2013 8:03 AM

    I don’t think saints fans have fallen silent. We all know that should have been a flag. As far as a fine. He won’t gt one because as soon as he hit Ryan in the face, he moved his hand away. Unlike brooks who first hit brees in the chest, then wrapped his arm around Brees’s neck and threw him down by his head. I guess the refs are cheating for the panthers too huh. I wonder what they’ll do when the saints and panthers play??? I guess in the haters opinions, that will be the worst officiated game of all time. And for all the people who didn’t even watch the saints – 49ers game, but want to talk about the cheating refs, kapernivk had an intentional grounding while still in the pocket in the end zone that wasn’t called. That would have changed that whole game also. But arm chair quarterbacks who only saw one play on espn wanna act like the game was just given to the saints.

  77. railcarcowboy says: Nov 22, 2013 8:05 AM

    I’m a Saints fan. I’m not falling silent. Last Sundays officiating crew made the call. Last night’s crew missed the call. It was a penalty! What the cuss do you want me to do about it?

  78. crabwasheld says: Nov 22, 2013 8:08 AM

    If it was Brady, Manning or Brees Hicks would’ve been ejected, suspended, criticized in the media then released.

  79. whenwilliteverend says: Nov 22, 2013 8:35 AM

    Just goes to show that the top QBs get favoritism…i.e., the Brady rule. Now we can call it the Brees rule when someone hits a QB in the head. It only gets called if it’s Drew Brees or one of the other top players in the league. For anyone else, it’s not a flag. The officiating in the NFL is turning into the NBA where the refs determine who wins and who loses.

  80. regulator01 says: Nov 22, 2013 8:36 AM

    panthers gonna take care of messing up saints season, dont need refs to do it

  81. 4thqtrsaint says: Nov 22, 2013 8:40 AM

    I said last week that the flag for roughing the passer on Brees was a good call. I was called a homer. That same flag should have been thrown last night. Roughing the passer is roughing the passer, regardless of the team. We got away with that somehow.

    Again, for all the people who said it was a bs call last week, I think would change their tune if it were their QB.

  82. nowillrepeat says: Nov 22, 2013 8:58 AM

    As a Saints fan, it was absolutely blatant and should have been flagged.

  83. dublindemonszfl says: Nov 22, 2013 9:04 AM

    They didn’t miss it, how could they? It’s obvious that this is part of a NFL level fix. Goodell is so corrupt he makes Nixon look like a boy scout.

  84. dsigrey says: Nov 22, 2013 9:26 AM

    These refs have become the central point of way too many games. It’s only Thursday and we are already talking about them. The game is way too fast these days to have part time refs. They need to be full time, they need to watch film, they need to ref practices during the week and need to learn how be invisible during the games themselves.

  85. harrisonhits2 says: Nov 22, 2013 9:30 AM

    I watched very little of the game and did not see the play in question.

    Seems accurate to say however, another NFL game more screwups by the refs. I don’t think they really favor anyone, I think they just suck.

  86. boisestatewhodat says: Nov 22, 2013 9:49 AM

    Saints fan here…it should have been called and wasn’t.

    Again, I often wonder where they find some of you people. Bad calls and missed calls happen every week to every team across the country. Case in point: Junior Galette was bear-hugged and blatently held at the line when Brady threw a last second TD to beat us. In the same game, Brees performed a text book hard count and drew the defense into the neutral zone…should have been 1st down but no…they called false start.

    Grow up people…this is the world we live in. Now, on to Seattle where we’ll take the ONE seed!

  87. keylimelight says: Nov 22, 2013 10:02 AM

    The issue of the no-call on Hicks’ hit on Ryan is a failure of the Refs to be consistent. This is not the fault of Hicks and definitely not because of favoritism toward the Saints.

    We’re arguing team vs team and player privilege but this problem springs from the mountain of new judgement-type calls the NFL has lain at the feet of the Refs in order to protect QBs and cut down on concussions. The hit should have been called.

    I don’t like all these judgement-type calls because it naturally leads many to the conclusion that the Refs have the power to control the outcome of the game. (A fair conclusion, IMO.) But the real stink of this issue is on the Referees.

  88. richndc says: Nov 22, 2013 10:41 AM

    Despite the blowout, there were two times against the Cowboys where the Saints should have been called for roughing the QB–not saying conspiracy against Dallas, but Manning, Brady, Brees would get those calls nearly every time–there is a double standard and despite the NFL’s idiotic attempt to legislate hitting in a violent sport, QBs, receivers, are still getting hurt at the same rates–I see this as QBs being red shirted during games in 5 years, and I wont be watching. At that point, the soap opera aspect of the NFL will be as big as it is in pro wrestling.

  89. duece5 says: Nov 22, 2013 10:49 AM

    whodatnmyrtleb says: Nov 22, 2013 1:12 AM

    Wow, lots of Saints Haters here. The Sack on Brees, Brooks continued to bring him down by his neck and head, its absolutely the right call that’s why he was fined.
    The refs blew it here on this call, but can you really say this was just as bad, yes, he grabbed the facemask, should have been a penalty, I totally agree, but he let go and brought him down by the shoulder. He didn’t tackle him by the neck or head.

    duece5 says:

    Uhh….did you watch the play????

    Ryan’s whole head gets turned around……I’m sure that had NOTHING to do with him falling to the ground!!!!

    Not a Falcons fan, just an obvious miss, reminiscient of the 2009 NFC game handed to the saints!

  90. duece5 says: Nov 22, 2013 10:54 AM

    In reality, this will come back to haunt the saints in the playoffs, because it will be heightened for the referees to ensure they don’t miss these types of calls.

    Saints and seahwaks fans better be careful to ASSUME they will meet in the NFC championship game.

    Both are vulnerable, but they are the 2 best today in the NFC, but both, are fully beatable, especially on the road.

  91. 1phd says: Nov 22, 2013 11:04 AM

    1) First off, for those saying it wasn’t a penalty that determined the outcome of the game, how do you know? Even though it was earlier it could have still meant a touchdown and that might have been enough.
    2) Brook’s hit was actually the one of the two that shouldn’t have been called. Last night’s was a blow to the head and face mask and a definite penalty. Brook’s was not.
    3)Now all the no nothing talking head analysts on TV and radio can stop with their meaningless comments of “the refs are gonna call that every time!” Right guys.

  92. pens5829 says: Nov 22, 2013 11:06 AM

    Didn’t see the game, so I didn’t see the play. The fact that Ron Winter was involved makes me believe it did, in fact, happen and a call was missed. He’s been so bad for so long and the NFL keeps bringing him back year after year after year. Where’s the accountability???

  93. gergie1957 says: Nov 22, 2013 11:35 AM

    The announcers reason why That call was made when The Saints Drew brees got hit on the shoulder and roughing was called. “The league will call that even if it’s close, to protect the QBs, because they fill the seats”. Matt Ryan, i guess you see the writing on the wall,

  94. Patskrieg dot com says: Nov 22, 2013 12:15 PM

    TEH SAINTS ARE OBVIOSSLY BRIBING ALL THE REFEREES AND TEH NFL LOVES THEM!!!1!

    Saints Super Bowl Wins Since 2009: 0

    Karma For Liquid Nyquil Endorsement (this stuff tastes terrible!)

  95. travelingwillies says: Nov 22, 2013 12:19 PM

    30 yard swing and killed the momentum on Atlanta’s drive.Saints are pretty lucky. Need help from the refs to beat the 9ers and a bad falcons team. Heck the saints were a dropped pass in week one from losing to the falcons then

    and let me ask you this. How is brees and that offense going to do vs. the seahawks when they only managed to put up 17 points against an awful falcons D that even Geno Smith torched. They are going to need a lot of help from the refs

  96. bigbadal21 says: Nov 22, 2013 12:21 PM

    The sad fact is that only a few qbs will get this call. We all know who they are. Rothlesburger gets pounded on a weekly basis and never gets a call. They even broke his freaking nose and did not call it. Michael Vick never got any breaks either. It should be the same for any qb but we know it is not.

  97. gosfvr says: Nov 22, 2013 12:37 PM

    The real point here is – refs are humans and mistakes happen.
    There needs to be a quick review system that can catch most errors, especially game changing turnovers (which are not called turnovers).

  98. pawpaw46 says: Nov 22, 2013 12:52 PM

    I’m a Saints fan and I say the call absolutely should have been made. Hicks clearly slapped Ryan’s helmet.
    But the Saints haters are blaming the Saints for playing football? They play the game, they don’t throw the flags.

    The problem here is the officials are not on the same page…different refs see the rules and call games differently… they also missed a facemask penalty on Pierre Thomas and once again… threw a flag, then picked up the flag, and then decided it was a penalty after all and enforced the flag. They also blew a quick whistle on Mark Ingram.

    The referees are pathetic this season league wide… I don’t remember any other season with this many bad calls and controversy.

  99. raidersftw says: Nov 22, 2013 1:01 PM

    We need robots to determine penalties not refs. They’ve ruined outcomes long enough

  100. greg2geez says: Nov 22, 2013 1:20 PM

    As a middle aged life long Raiders fan I just think all this outrage directed at NFL officials is misplaced and applaud this site for fervently supporting the refs during their labor dispute well done chaps

  101. jpspear says: Nov 22, 2013 4:14 PM

    Have suddenly fallen silent? What do you expect us to do, rise up in protest? It was a bad call, they should have called a penalty. Can you name another fan base that protests when they get a bad call in their favor? Go look at the Saints-Pats game if you think the Saints get favorable treatment. And the call in the SF game wasn’t a bad call, for the record.

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