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More details emerge regarding Martin allegations, Wells investigation

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If you’re looking for something more than broad brushes or bare bones about the Jonathan Martin situation, pull up a chair, grab a beverage, and click the link on the story from Barry Jackson of the Miami Herald regarding the Jonathan Martin case.

Chock (unfortunately typo narrowly avoid, seriously) full of details about Martin’s allegations and the Ted Wells investigation, it’s worth a close study.

Center Mike Pouncey continues to emerge as a central figure in the case.  The alleged physical attack mentioned in David Cornwell’s fireball statement from earlier this month occurred, per Jackson, at Pouncey’s home.

Also, Pouncey apparently was the Jeff to Incognito’s Mutt (another timely reference), with Pouncey providing a “live laugh track” as Incognito teased/harassed/whatever teammates.

As Wells tries to get to the truth, some Dolphins players may be circling the wagons.  One player who was the subject of frequent teasing from Incognito entered his meeting with Wells reluctant to implicate Incognito.

Here’s the problem, from the players’ perspective.  For most if not all of them, this is the first time they’ve been involved in a situation like this.  For Ted Wells and his team (Jackson reports two others were with him for the interviews), it’s not their initial crack at trying to get to the truth when the folks expected to provide the truth may be reluctant to tell the truth, or motivated to tell untruths.

Good lawyers have thick and reliable crap filters.  If players are lying to Wells, he’ll sniff it out.  The question will be whether he can find hard evidence to prove that folks aren’t telling the truth, or whether his final report will entail Wells sifting through conflicting opinions and drawing conclusions about which version of the truth is the right one.

Juries do it all the time, without training or experience.  Wells has the skill and the background to sort it all out.  It’s safe to say that, regardless of his conclusions, some of the folks involved will claim he got it wrong.

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17 Responses to “More details emerge regarding Martin allegations, Wells investigation”
  1. joemac1114 says: Nov 24, 2013 11:16 AM

    When Incognito was in Buffalo, I was surprised when they let him go. Now it seems clear Bills management had figured out he was a bad guy and let him go for that reason.

  2. bobzilla1001 says: Nov 24, 2013 11:18 AM

    Trouble seems to follow the Pouncey boys.

  3. craigkintexas says: Nov 24, 2013 12:14 PM

    Shocking that Pouncey would be involved with this!

  4. harrisonhits2 says: Nov 24, 2013 12:54 PM

    Free Pouncey ? Oh wait getting a little ahead of things…….

  5. lostsok says: Nov 24, 2013 1:02 PM

    I’ve never been on the “Fireland” bandwagon, but it was laid out pretty clear: this is the year Ireland should be judged by. He’s made some good moves, but:

    1. Jon Martin, Incognito and Pouncey are 60% of our original line. They are all gone, near gone, or utterly evil.

    2. Not resigning Long was a terrible decision that not only reduced the quality of our line, but of our locker room.

    3. Not resigning Reggie Bush ended any semblance of a championship caliber running game, even in this pass-first era.

    Those decisions, the comments about Martin (“why didn’t he punch him in the face”), and the overall ugliness this situation has brought to the team equal the end for Ireland. Even those of us who have kept our mind open regarding his future are done now.

    Ireland must go.

  6. mymanmccoy says: Nov 24, 2013 1:27 PM

    Wow, that took you longer than I thought!

  7. getweird4u says: Nov 24, 2013 1:30 PM

    It is ALL Urban Meyer’s Fault!!! Seriously though these Pouncey bros. are Gangsta fo’ real… what a mess and yes Ireland HAS to be fired!!! He is a lawsuit waiting to happen. Still amazing to me that grown men would A: behave this way towards teammates who have the same goal as you do B: Allow this to happen for as long as it did. C: Consider Incognito a leader on your team… all of these things show the lack of REAL leadership on this team. Spineless coach, idiotic immature GM. Go phins go…

  8. raideralex99 says: Nov 24, 2013 1:30 PM

    Wow … looks like Incognito took one for the team … seriously what team would sign Martin.
    I can’t believe anyone is still blaming Incognito when the whole OL also joined in. Incognito it the one who should receive the big settlement not Martin.

  9. drainbameged says: Nov 24, 2013 1:46 PM

    Jake long isnt playing…
    Reggie bush got benched…

    Im glad your not the GM

  10. mackcarrington says: Nov 24, 2013 3:44 PM

    From the previously known details about this case,
    it would seem that Martin had a hidden agenda. After reading some of the new details, it seems to me that ALL of the Dolphins are a pretty despicable bunch of buffoons. I’m once again in a position where I don’t know what I think anymore about this case. Every day is a new surprise.

  11. peddealer says: Nov 24, 2013 4:32 PM

    The Miami Dolphins, the ONLY team that makes Jerry Jones look like a championship caliber owner.

  12. fishyinalittledishy says: Nov 24, 2013 4:48 PM

    This whole thing is very simple. The Dolphins were smart, suspending incognito and asking for an independent review (miami ) / investigation ( everybody else ) as they worked out fast this was trouble from the get go given martins or the martins background in law. This will run until everybody wins nobody loses and the dolphins dumps out some cash, martin gets out of football incognito gets another team and the nfl shows what a caring body they are. Oh and of course the lawyers get some coin as wells.

  13. kwjsb says: Nov 24, 2013 5:36 PM

    Bullying is a threat to the NFL (Your New Momma)

    Yet:

    1) Th NFL is all about protecting the QB, If a QB slides you cannot touch him, Unless he wears an orange Helmet. (See Brian Hoyer)
    2) You cannot brush a QB on the helmet, but if he has an orange helmet a right cross to the chin is allowed. (See J.Campbell)
    3) Safety is the most important thing for the integrity of the league, street violence is not allowed, unless you have an orange helmet where as you can be openly choked with 2 hands. (See Gregg Little)

    Mr Goodell is there an Addendum to the rule book for orange helmets?
    Or are you just concerned about hurt feeling ??

  14. tfaulk says: Nov 24, 2013 7:12 PM

    So, this is mostly from a “friend of Martin.”

    Which is actually the first properly cited source by a journalist since Martin walked out. Hurray, journalism!

    Also, it’s made apparent that these claims of other players being bullying are from Martin. The “other player” has not told Wells he was bullied. Strange how people said that we couldn’t know how Martin felt, but Martin can know how another player felt.

  15. eleventyeight says: Nov 24, 2013 7:40 PM

    My own personal opinion:

    Jon Martin doesn’t want to play football anymore but wants to get all the money in his contract. He discusses it with family members with legal experience who casually mention that if he were in some way mistreated he might be able to use that as leverage in negotiations over money.

    He decides to play the role of victim and opportunistically saves Incognito’s voicemail instead of laughing it off and deleting it as he had always done before, knowing he could use it as “proof” of how mean all thos big guys are to little Johnny…oh, wait- Lil Johnny is 6’6″/335, so he will have to have even more proof.

    He finds an “understnding” Psychologist/iatrist who helpfully diagnoses him w/ PTSD, which is much more generally a diagnosis applied to combat veterans. Was Lil Johnny’s meany-bullies harder on him than mortar fire, snipers or watching your buddies lower body disintegrate in front of you? And, Martin has been playing football- voluntarily- for 12+ years.

    For all the years prior in Incognito’s career he was widely known as a vicious, aggressive and highly volatile player- on the field. “But off the field he was never noted as anything but a locker room leader and good friend.

    Whatever Martin is going through i personally think that this all got waaay bigger than he ever meant it too. Certain sports media types hovered like vultures waiting to tromp on the evil racist bully Incognito but then things suddenly seemed less clear-cut and became steadily more complicated.

    So, I hope both players get a fair shake and this whole thing dries up and blows away.

    But that’s just my two cents…

  16. osiris33 says: Nov 24, 2013 7:53 PM

    eleventyeight, you pretty much nailed it.

  17. tfaulk says: Nov 24, 2013 8:10 PM

    So, this is mostly from a “friend of Martin.”

    Which is actually the first properly cited source by a journalist since Martin walked out. Hurray, journalism!

    Also, it’s made apparent that these claims of other players being bullying are from Martin. The “other player” has not told Wells he was bullied. Strange how people said that we couldn’t know how Martin felt, but Martin can know how another player felt.

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