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Patriots’ captains thought Belichick was crazy for taking the wind

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After the Patriots won the overtime coin toss on Sunday night, Bill Belichick took the unusual step of taking the wind, instead of receiving the opening kickoff. You could hear Monday morning’s hot sports takes coming: If the Patriots won, it would be, “Belichick is a genius! He knew to take the wind in overtime!” If the Patriots lost, it would be, “Belichick is an idiot! Everyone knows you always take the ball in overtime!”

As it turned out, the Patriots won. And as Patriots tight end Rob Gronkowski pointed out afterward, that made it the right call.

Great decision,” Gronkowski told WEEI. “He is our coach [and] we’re behind him with everything, especially Coach Belichick. Whatever he has, we’re behind him. So it was a great call because we won.”

Logan Mankins said afterward that he and the Patriots’ other three captains were shocked when Belichick instructed them to take the wind if they won the coin toss.

We all looked at each other like he was crazy — then we all asked again and again and again,” Mankins told Comcast SportsNet’s Postgame Live. “And we just wanted to make sure we were doing exactly what he wanted.”

As for Belichick, he said he simply thought he’d rather have the wind at his back in overtime.

“The wind, it was a strong wind,” Belichick said. “We just had to keep the out of the end zone, obviously. I just felt like the wind would be an advantage if we could keep them out of the end zone on that first drive. We were able to do that. The wind was significant in the game, it was definitely significant.”

And Belichick’s call was definitely the right one. Especially considering that Belichick — unlike the rest of us talking about it on Monday morning — doesn’t have the benefit of hindsight.

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79 Responses to “Patriots’ captains thought Belichick was crazy for taking the wind”
  1. bradeh says: Nov 25, 2013 7:40 AM

    Probably because they don’t know the rules.

  2. flash1283 says: Nov 25, 2013 7:42 AM

    He took the wind because MEGA HEAD had a passer rating of 19 last night going into the wind!

  3. kremis says: Nov 25, 2013 7:44 AM

    and those bronco fans wr crazy to think they had won this game at halftime! haha

  4. javierjiminy says: Nov 25, 2013 7:46 AM

    Eistein put best in these words “There’s a fine line between genius and insanity.” Bill knows when to cross that line and lead his team to victory. Truly one of the best head coaches of all time.

  5. sidepull says: Nov 25, 2013 7:47 AM

    Always the sailor. Belichicks wind to his back. Smooth sailing. Mamma didn’t raise no fool.

  6. zingo1978 says: Nov 25, 2013 7:49 AM

    Big difference when a field goal used to be able to win it in OT on the opening drive.

  7. doublezero74 says: Nov 25, 2013 7:51 AM

    does anyone know forsberglers opinion on this?

  8. bobleblah says: Nov 25, 2013 7:54 AM

    Yoda

  9. flash1283 says: Nov 25, 2013 7:57 AM

    Someone better check on Forsbergler.

  10. Patskrieg dot com says: Nov 25, 2013 7:58 AM

    Am I alone in having a minor meltdown when it looked like the Patriots captains didn’t know what they were supposed to do? I was actually surprised that anyone else thought taking the ball over the wind was a better idea.

  11. cruzer1996 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:00 AM

    Marty Mornhinweg says hello.

  12. jacksonjames4 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:00 AM

    “He is our coach [and] we’re behind him with everything, especially Coach Belichick. Whatever he has, we’re behind him. So it was a great call because we won.”

    Was I the only one who had to read this twice?

  13. flash1283 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:01 AM

    Manning 11-23 into the wind 90 yards 1 td 1 int

    Brady into the wind 19-24 202 yards 2 Tds

  14. Akula says: Nov 25, 2013 8:05 AM

    Have a nice day Pat’s Haters……BAAAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!

  15. packeranddarien says: Nov 25, 2013 8:06 AM

    This is a tactic he learned from Parcells while in NY as a DC for the Giants.

    Giants Stadium ( not that galactic monstrousity that is there now) was known for its swirling winds in November and December and Parcells would often take the wind (depending on the opponent and level of play of the opposing QB) in overtime contests.

    I remember one game against the Eagles where the wind is just nuts and the Eagles tied it up with two quick TDs to force OT.

    Buddy Ryan sent like 9 captains out there for the OT coin flip and only guy that came out for the Giants was Harry Carson.

    Giants won the toss and Carson points down to the end zone where the wind tunnel is ( the one that Parcells ordered open when the opponent had the ball and closed when the Giants did) and says “We want to defend THAT goal”

    Referee says “OH? You want to defend that goal?”

    Carson says “That’s right”.

    Needless to say, Eagles went 3 and out on their possession, shanked a punt ( which the wind just killed) and Giants got the ball 10yds away from FG range .Giants won in OT. The tactic worked.

    Belichick follows the same tactic.

  16. peymax1693 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:21 AM

    If the Broncos don’t muff the punt which gave the Pats a gift-wrapped win, is Belichick still a genius?

  17. buddysguys says: Nov 25, 2013 8:28 AM

    The wind was angry that day my friends, like an old man trying to send back soup at a deli….

  18. rumblefsh9 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:30 AM

    IF doesn’t matter does it…..

  19. sidepull says: Nov 25, 2013 8:30 AM

    If “if , and or but were candy or nuts what a wonderful world it would be”

    Welker blew it . Deal with it. Belichick did.

  20. truthfactory says: Nov 25, 2013 8:32 AM

    Everyone forgets to mention that Brady didnt do ANYTHING in OT WITH the wind. Got bailed out on a botched punt. I guess that makes Brady GREAT in most peoples eyes.

  21. weepingjebus says: Nov 25, 2013 8:33 AM

    Can we also stop talking about “Manning > Brady”? By every meaningful statistic this is not true, and clearly was not true last night. The game shouldn’t have even gone to overtime with that hideous interception he horked out there, but the refs bailed him out. Manning is a great QB except when it really matters, and against Brady, which is pretty much the same thing.

  22. belleby123 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:33 AM

    Peyton had just marched down the field and scored a touchdown in regulation against the wind so all he had to do was do it again in overtime. But he didn’t. Conclusion: Belichick got lucky.

  23. j0esixpack says: Nov 25, 2013 8:34 AM

    He knows Manning has problems in the cold and wind

    Gotta wonder if Denver can put a dome on their stadium in one week. It might be worth trying

  24. marima07 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:36 AM

    Does this make up for 4th and 2?

  25. peymax1693 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:37 AM

    Eistein put best in these words “There’s a fine line between genius and insanity.” Bill knows when to cross that line and lead his team to victory. Truly one of the best head coaches of all time.

    Was he a genius or insane when he went for it on 4th down against the Colts but didn’t make, all but gift-wrapping a win for Manning?

    I agree that Belichick is one of the best coaches of all time, if not THE best (and I hate the Pats with a passion). However, his in-game decision making is not his strong suit.

  26. tigerlilac says: Nov 25, 2013 8:41 AM

    doublezero74 says:
    Nov 25, 2013 7:51 AM
    does anyone know forsberglers opinion on this?

    Great post!

  27. dualprime says: Nov 25, 2013 8:42 AM

    peymax1693 says:
    Nov 25, 2013 8:21 AM
    If the Broncos don’t muff the punt which gave the Pats a gift-wrapped win, is Belichick still a genius?
    ===================================
    No.

  28. flash1283 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:44 AM

    Maybe, but he did do it in the 3rd and 4th Q.

    And if you’re a Brady/Patriot hater is this the day you want to try and talk shiz?

  29. Chuck Norris says: Nov 25, 2013 8:45 AM

    peymax1693 says:
    Nov 25, 2013 8:21 AM
    If the Broncos don’t muff the punt which gave the Pats a gift-wrapped win, is Belichick still a genius?

    ^
    Truth of the matter is, and Broncos fans surely wont admit it, is that the Patriots put a beat down on the Broncos last night. Sure Moreno ran for a ton of yards, but it didnt turn into points. That was by design. Manning and the “unstoppable” passing attack got smoked last night. If not for the Patriots gifting the Broncos a huge first half lead this game is a blowout the other way…

  30. flash1283 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:47 AM

    truthfactory says:
    Nov 25, 2013 8:32 AM
    Everyone forgets to mention that Brady didnt do ANYTHING in OT WITH the wind. Got bailed out on a botched punt. I guess that makes Brady GREAT in most peoples eyes.

    Again this what makes Brady great in most peoples eyes

    Manning 11-23 into the wind 90 yards 1 td 1 int

    Brady into the wind 19-24 202 yards 2 Tds

    Again, save it for another day. You look like a tool trying to talk shiz today.

  31. jpb12 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:49 AM

    I think he had confidence in his defense to keep Manning out of end zone. They couldn’t stop Moreno but he felt he could stop Manning.

    Taking the wind also gave Patriots chance to win with a FG… Cause Brady started to run out of steam.

  32. dpdonny says: Nov 25, 2013 8:57 AM

    If the Broncos don’t muff the punt which gave the Pats a gift-wrapped win, is Belichick still a genius?

    You mean, “if the Broncos player named Welker not re-signed by Belichick … is he is still a genius?”

    The answer is, yes.

  33. FinFan68 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:57 AM

    Why is this even controversial at all? With that wind + the cold and how both teams fared going against the wind, I would have been shocked if either coach would have just taken the ball. That was the obvious thing to do.

  34. taintedlombardis says: Nov 25, 2013 8:59 AM

    Nothing genius about it. It’s only “genius” to rubes because of a botched punt.

  35. psousa1 says: Nov 25, 2013 9:03 AM

    Imagine if Wilfork and Mayo never got hurt……………………………

  36. mrl7265 says: Nov 25, 2013 9:05 AM

    Manning completed 19 of 36 passes for a season-low 150 yards with two touchdowns and one interception in a 34-31 overtime defeat. He finished the game with a 70.4 passer rating.

    Brady completed 34 of 50 passes for 344 yards with three touchdowns and no interceptions. He was sacked three times and finished the game with a 107.4 passer rating.

    Manning is a One Trick Pony (Pun Intended). Can only perform in ideal conditions. Brady performs regardless of the conditions. It gets old and tired when people try to give all these stats to try and justify their choice of Manning over Brady. There is only one thing that matters, winning! Give me Brady all day long!

  37. lapsncaps says: Nov 25, 2013 9:12 AM

    I wasn’t surprised to see BB take the wind. Last week, when I was watching the Ravens-Bears game, a huge argument broke out after the coin toss in OT because the Ravens took the ball over the wind. A friend of mine and myself wanted them to take the wind over the ball, while the other four thought we were crazy. In a game where we had momentum at the end because of the wind, the Ravens needed to keep those 50mph winds on their side. In the end, they lost because they couldn’t move the ball.

  38. vietnambob2473 says: Nov 25, 2013 9:13 AM

    Lets remember, the Broncos handed this game to the Patriots time and time again. Patriots merely made the plays Denver allowed them to make, doesnt mean they are the better team.

  39. nosmak40 says: Nov 25, 2013 9:15 AM

    Where are all those mouthy Denver fans that were vocal yesterday ( and the previous 12 weeks)?

  40. xxsweepthelegxx says: Nov 25, 2013 9:30 AM

    vietnambob2473 says:
    Nov 25, 2013 9:13 AM
    Lets remember, the Broncos handed this game to the Patriots time and time again. Patriots merely made the plays Denver allowed them to make, doesnt mean they are the better team.
    ——————————-
    Can you explain the first half then? I hope you would agree that NE handed the Broncos at least 17 points without having to do anything.

  41. baltimoresnativeson says: Nov 25, 2013 9:34 AM

    Harbaugh should have done the same thing in Chicago last week. Take notes coach.

  42. packerbackernj says: Nov 25, 2013 9:37 AM

    And if julius ceasar crosses the rubicon and gets slaughtered, he would have been the eternal fool who marched on rome like an idiot. It takes eternal fools to do great things. Men who bet against the odds.

  43. drewzducks says: Nov 25, 2013 9:41 AM

    vietnambob…did you not watch the Pats gift wrap the first half 24-0 lead to Denver ? Fumble return for TD and strip sack. The Forehead only had to march his vaunted offense 10 yards for a 14-0 lead. In the words of Col. Trautman ” it’s over Johnny”.

  44. raiderlyfe510 says: Nov 25, 2013 9:45 AM

    Man Tom Brady is unreal. What a great QB. Two back to back come from behind victories. And I am counting last week’s game as a victory.. I’m not gonna let those dumb refs take that from them.

    What lead is safe when you’re playing the Patriots with Brady at QB? Amazing .

    Man my Raiders have sucked for so long(except the Hue Jackson years).. I’m starting to appreciate greatness in other teams.

  45. holdthemayo123 says: Nov 25, 2013 9:47 AM

    They needed to get into the endzone. Fighting the wind. Given the new rules, seemed like a fair call.
    Let’s also not forget – the final field goal wouldn’t have been nearly the gimmie it was if they were kicking into the wind.

  46. pillowporkers says: Nov 25, 2013 9:54 AM

    I don’t think this was crazy at all my buddy and I last weekend said the ravens should’ve kicked with that bad weather in Chicago. Look what happened. They lost. Unless you have a bottom 5 defense, I really do think the strategy is to kick. All you have to do is hold them to a field goal and then you get the advantage of knowing what you need (aka 4 downs the whole way). Bill is just smart enough to actually look at the stats instead of conforming to others.

  47. rhf123 says: Nov 25, 2013 9:56 AM

    This is why he’s the master.

  48. salutethis says: Nov 25, 2013 10:00 AM

    Actually I thought the Pats would win this game. At home in fox borough they should have won. If Denver wins out they still get the number one seed. And it took a miracle to win this game. From 2 special teams turnovers to the refs realizing at halftime that they were calling the game fair… And that they can’t let Tom get blown out! This will make the revenge when the Pats have to come to Denver that much sweeter!

  49. titansbro says: Nov 25, 2013 10:02 AM

    Hate Belichek but I loved that decision at the time. Even suggested it to my buddies before the toss & they were like,”You’re crazy.” Not gonna say I should be an NFL coach, but I totally should be.

  50. gisellichek says: Nov 25, 2013 10:17 AM

    truthfactory says:
    Nov 25, 2013 8:32 AM
    Everyone forgets to mention that Brady didnt do ANYTHING in OT WITH the wind. Got bailed out on a botched punt. I guess that makes Brady GREAT in most peoples eyes.

    ___________

    I agree … your point is well taken… but what makes Brady great is leading a comeback to get it to OT… Complain all you want about bad breaks… lord knows these things eventually even out over the course of a whole season, never the less … there are 3 maybe four QBs in this league that could lead thier teams back like that… twist of fate are sometimes not without a certain sense of irony … I mean… it was Welker’s fault he didn’t catch that punt…

  51. truths4all says: Nov 25, 2013 10:18 AM

    To the ones who argue over singular incidents instead seeing the entire picture, the call was the correct one to make, just like the defensive adjustments that were demanded of the Patriots at halftime.

    Both teams got gimmes that led to scores. To incessantly parrot that the botched punt return (which Denver did due to the wind, weather and the pressure of the game) was the only difference in the game’s outcome is to view your life’s value just on what you did for the last 5 minutes, such as picking your nose? Now that is dumb.

    Denver got 17 points early on Patriot mistakes and that is part of the game. Denver made their mistakes in the second half and in OT, they all count. Its a game that players try to play, and some officials try to
    change the outcome for gaming purposes.

  52. dcpatfan says: Nov 25, 2013 10:25 AM

    loved watching tony dungee on NBC Sports this morning. Sweat pouring and veins popping off his bald head as he tried to balance his hatred for BB and his manlove for Megahead. Classic!

  53. jbeagles23 says: Nov 25, 2013 10:29 AM

    I’m tired of watching manning and all those illegal picks. It’s weird watching that team knowing they’ll have all kinda of success in the regular season and not being a real contender cause they’re qb is a choke artist. He does know it gets cold in Denver right?

  54. golfsox78 says: Nov 25, 2013 10:38 AM

    You win some, lose some with these decisions. I can’t remember the exact year but in Denver Bill B. decided to take a safety on a punt back in the Pats end zone. They took the free kick. Denver went 3 and out and Brady led a game winning drive with a minute left. Their only win against Denver I can remember. Then you have 4th and 2. It was a bad choice because it didn’t work.

  55. phinfan says: Nov 25, 2013 10:42 AM

    Philbin – take notes.

  56. RE LEE says: Nov 25, 2013 10:47 AM

    BB … Oh yeah… Crazy as a fox.

  57. vikingapologist says: Nov 25, 2013 10:53 AM

    The pats were sloppy in the 1st half, came
    Out of halftime with their adjustments, dude, this coach , and QB are the greatest of all time! As a Vikes fan , it’s hard not to watch with envy, they make it look so easy to be great, while we fumble around and cannot beat a depleted Green Bay team
    Without Rodgers and half with Skill
    Players! Great game Pats

  58. deejayehn says: Nov 25, 2013 10:56 AM

    This was one weird game.

    That was the worst first half that I’ve ever seen from a BB coached Pats game.

    That was also the best second half comeback game that I’ve seen from any team.

    A for sure “classic game” for all time!

  59. wikidpissah says: Nov 25, 2013 11:07 AM

    peymax1693 says: Nov 25, 2013 8:21 AM

    If the Broncos don’t muff the punt which gave the Pats a gift-wrapped win, is Belichick still a genius?

    taintedlombardis says: Nov 25, 2013 8:59 AM

    Nothing genius about it. It’s only “genius” to rubes because of a botched punt.

    ======================================

    Since the wind created Welker’s indecisiveness about catching the punt, I’d say it paid off. Think the same thing would have happened without the wind? Welker probably wouldn’t have even been out there.

  60. wikidpissah says: Nov 25, 2013 11:14 AM

    salutethis says: Nov 25, 2013 10:00 AM

    Actually I thought the Pats would win this game. At home in fox borough they should have won. If Denver wins out they still get the number one seed. And it took a miracle to win this game. From 2 special teams turnovers to the refs realizing at halftime that they were calling the game fair… And that they can’t let Tom get blown out! This will make the revenge when the Pats have to come to Denver that much sweeter!
    —————————————————-

    Haha, the same refs who let pass interference go at the end of last week’s game, and let the Broncos get away with obvious pass interference in OT? Those refs?

    If the Patriots play the Broncos in the playoffs, in Denver, it will be January, when it’s cold, and Manning plays so well in the cold. Or in the playoffs for that matter.

  61. mclovin07 says: Nov 25, 2013 11:15 AM

    I’m not a fan of either team but one stat stuck with me after that game: Brady is 10-4 vs Manning I believe 3-1 in the playoffs vs Manning. Either way, to me, Brady just seems so good when the pressure is on it’s incredible.

    It’s even more incredible if your a Vikings fan like me, and used to watching Ponder…:(

  62. dalcow4 says: Nov 25, 2013 11:28 AM

    I was surprised people were surprised that he took the wind.

    Seemed a pretty simple and logical move to me.

  63. nuxsucks says: Nov 25, 2013 11:41 AM

    Losing Mayo and the Fork is rough, but Talib is nothing short of a beast. Watching him and Thomas battle last night was great football.

  64. vaphinfan says: Nov 25, 2013 11:53 AM

    And que all the people who think Billicheat is the greatest ever for making a common sense decision. Pick up grass, throw it, and see what way it blows. Now we all are the greatest since we know how to deterime wind direction.

  65. conormacleod says: Nov 25, 2013 11:57 AM

    So, the Patriots won the week 12 Superbowl. Congrats. I’m not a fan of either team, but that game didn’t mean much. They will probably play each other in the playoffs. That will matter.

  66. dualprime says: Nov 25, 2013 12:14 PM

    wikidpissah says:
    Haha, the same refs who let pass interference go at the end of last week’s game, and let the Broncos get away with obvious pass interference in OT? Those refs?

    If the Patriots play the Broncos in the playoffs, in Denver, it will be January, when it’s cold, and Manning plays so well in the cold. Or in the playoffs for that matter.
    ————————————————
    You mean the Patriots that got a whipping AT HOME by the Ravens in the last year’s playoffs…in January? Those Patriots?

  67. wikidpissah says: Nov 25, 2013 12:26 PM

    dualprime says: Nov 25, 2013 12:14 PM

    You mean the Patriots that got a whipping AT HOME by the Ravens in the last year’s playoffs…in January? Those Patriots?

    =================================
    Ummm, I think we were discussing the Patriots Vs the Broncos, 2 teams that will be in THIS year’s playoffs.

  68. eatitfanboy says: Nov 25, 2013 12:41 PM

    Wait a minute. They asked him again and again and again? The captains did? Before they went on the field for the coin toss?

    Then how do you explain the fact that Mankins himself appeared to have no idea what they were supposed to do when they won the toss. He clearly makes the motion with his arms that indicates they will receive before being stopped by the other captains.

  69. 8man says: Nov 25, 2013 12:51 PM

    Only a fool trips on what’s behind him…or lets the wind push him backwards into it.

  70. dualprime says: Nov 25, 2013 12:53 PM

    wikidpissah says:
    Nov 25, 2013 12:26 PM
    dualprime says: Nov 25, 2013 12:14 PM

    You mean the Patriots that got a whipping AT HOME by the Ravens in the last year’s playoffs…in January? Those Patriots?

    =================================
    Ummm, I think we were discussing the Patriots Vs the Broncos, 2 teams that will be in THIS year’s playoffs.
    =================================
    I made it too difficult for you, huh? Point is Brady has failed in January too.

  71. sportnorcal says: Nov 25, 2013 1:07 PM

    What was the look of shock and indecision when they won the toss? That was a bit odd.

    Obviously since they won it’s a great decision.
    If they’d lost it would be questioned.

    Fun game last night.

  72. mellimac says: Nov 25, 2013 1:14 PM

    Dear Pats Organization,

    If you insist on spotting the other team 24pt leads at halftime, please send me a defibrillator…My immune system was compromised at halftime, then you come storming back to take a lead, only to allow them to tie it up, sending the contest into overtime. By then, my heartbeat was erratic. If it wasn’t for my DVR, I’d be dead by now!

    Sincerely,

  73. peymax1693 says: Nov 25, 2013 1:20 PM

    This was one weird game.

    That was the worst first half that I’ve ever seen from a BB coached Pats game.

    That was also the best second half comeback game that I’ve seen from any team.

    A for sure “classic game” for all time!

    As a Broncos fan (specifically because Peyton is my favorite athlete of all time), that was the most awful roller coaster ride I could possibly have imagined.

    I want so badly to say that Peyton is the GOAT, but I just can’t because of games like last night. Brady outplayed him last night, just like he has in most of their encounters.

  74. borderline1988 says: Nov 25, 2013 2:04 PM

    Tom Brady is the best QB of all-time. His reign of dominance over the last 13 years is incredible. It doesn’t seem to matter that the Patriots have lacked a decent running game for years and that the receiving group changes constantly.

    The Patriots are still a top-3 team in the AFC with major injuries to their best players on offense and defense. Brady has gone through a lot over the last 5 years, but he’s never had anything close to resembling a down-year as we are seeing with Matt Ryan, Flacco, Schaub, Rothlesberger, etc.

    Give the Patriots a top-5 defense and this team is practically a lock for the Super Bowl championship.

    I can’t stand the city of Boston and their fans, but I have to give credit where it’s due, and Brady deserves the credit.

  75. dstroi says: Nov 25, 2013 2:15 PM

    vaphinfan says:
    Nov 25, 2013 11:53 AM
    And que all the people who think Billicheat is the greatest ever for making a common sense decision. Pick up grass, throw it, and see what way it blows. Now we all are the greatest since we know how to deterime wind direction.
    *******************************************
    And queue such a wonderful comment from a Dolphin fan. Tell me, how is your team doing buddy? Though I can not really blame you for spouting your negative rhetoric on this vine sense the only thing that is going for your team is the “abuse” saga. How wonderful. I am not even mad at you bro, I just feel bad for you and your whole organization who just can’t seem to figure out how to get it together year in and year out. Billicheat? How original. The sad thing about this is, I do not even like many teams in the NFL but even if they aren’t good, I do not make it an agenda to go on particular vines to bash a team especially if that team has a winning record since, hmmmmm, I don’t know 2001. Vaphinfan, your envy/jealousy is showing.

  76. thebirdofprey2 says: Nov 25, 2013 2:31 PM

    Great call because Manning into the wind was like watching Christian Ponder throw the ball. There was nothing on the ball at all and even though he is having a great season, the arm is 70 % of what it use to be. Brady put up 350 yards in those conditions, Manning 150 (admit they did run the ball well)

  77. jnbnet says: Nov 25, 2013 2:52 PM

    conormacleod says:
    Nov 25, 2013 11:57 AM
    So, the Patriots won the week 12 Superbowl. Congrats. I’m not a fan of either team, but that game didn’t mean much. They will probably play each other in the playoffs. That will matter.

    ============================
    It did mean quite a bit. It put the Patriots in a good position to get the 2nd seed. Also, it was an AFC game. You don’t want to lose any games, but out of conference games mean less.

  78. dualprime says: Nov 25, 2013 4:13 PM

    belleby123 says:
    Nov 25, 2013 8:33 AM
    Peyton had just marched down the field and scored a touchdown in regulation against the wind so all he had to do was do it again in overtime. But he didn’t. Conclusion: Belichick got lucky.
    =================================
    Yep.

  79. lanman11 says: Nov 25, 2013 5:19 PM

    This coach, does this all in the age of parity. That has to be considered when talking about the best. Nobody is supposed to be better than .500 over the long haul. You can’t stockpile talent and lock it up due to a lack of free agency like the other greats did. You have to operate with an ever changing roster.

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