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Antonio Smith: Patriots are either spying on us or scouting us

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Texans defensive end Antonio Smith suggested that “spying” could be the reason the Patriots’ offense was able to make such effective adjustments in today’s win.

Or maybe it’s just that the Patriots scouted the Texans and found some tendencies they could exploit.

“Either teams are spying on us or scouting us . . . I don’t know what it is,” Smith said, via the Boston Globe. “We had some ways that we were going to play this week that just got put in this week, and it was just miraculous that they changed up some things that they did on offense and keyed on what we put in this week to stop what they were doing. It was things that they had never done before out here. It just seems miraculous to me.”

There’s a pretty big difference between spying and scouting. Spying on an opposing team is a violation of NFL rules. Scouting is what every team does. Smith suggested, however, that the Patriots were ready for something the Texans hadn’t done before, which would be the product of spying, not scouting.

“It is a specific thing that was important to what we were going to do today, to how we would call the defense,” Smith said. “They changed it up in a way to where you were in in-decision in calling the defense that way. There’s no way . . . we have not done it ever before and they had never changed it ever before. So it was just kind of fishy how it got changed. It just let me know that something just ain’t right.”

Smith acknowledged, however, that the Patriots might have just been smart enough to pick up on what the Texans were doing and adjusted accordingly.

“I would say they’re pretty good,” Smith said. “I know Bill Belichick and Tom Brady are the best at their craft, because they put so much into their craft.”

So maybe the Texans’ problems were just a matter of facing a team with a good coach and a good quarterback, not a matter of spying.

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200 Responses to “Antonio Smith: Patriots are either spying on us or scouting us”
  1. slaugin says: Dec 1, 2013 11:01 PM

    Ummm, there is nothing Wade will ever do that Bill or Brady haven’t already seen him do. Nice excuse

  2. patriotinvasion says: Dec 1, 2013 11:03 PM

    Was waiting for this hilarious story to hit PFT. Apparently Smith forgot that the Patriots dropped over 40 on that same defense twice last year too. And they just got beat by the Jaguars. So maybe, just maybe Belichick and the Patriots just out coached and outplayed a bad football team with a bumbling southern dummy of a defensive coordinator with half the IQ of Belichick. Gonna go with that.

  3. patsfan1820 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:03 PM

    Here is a thought if they were spying on you wouldnt they have done it in the first half as well?

  4. truetrue85 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:04 PM

    Your team is 2-10 for a reason. So either 9 other teams werw spying on you, or you’re just a really bad team. I’m going with the latter. Stay classy Houston.

  5. blacknole08 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:05 PM

    Spying?? They played the Texans twice last season. So maybe they looked at those tapes. Plus Brady loves feasting on that Texans D.

  6. ijahru says: Dec 1, 2013 11:05 PM

    What is their excuse for the nine other losses?

  7. marima07 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:05 PM

    Maybe, just maybe, that “new wrinkle” was only new to Smith, and not the Patriots. Belichick has had Wade Phillips’ number for years.

  8. tigerlilac says: Dec 1, 2013 11:06 PM

    Oswald acted alone and the Patriots only have the best winning percentage over the last 10 years because they have spies. The American public will believe anything that supports their own bias.

  9. derek1800 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:07 PM

    Texans siding know what an in-game adjustment is? SMH

  10. rjkilla says: Dec 1, 2013 11:07 PM

    it’s called getting out coached genius. and i hate the pats

  11. all4patriots says: Dec 1, 2013 11:08 PM

    Yes, it is truly unbelievable that Tom Brady and Bill Belichick could quickly figure out a Wade Phillips defense!

    That just never happens.

    Oh wait….

    It’s like banking on the sun coming up.

  12. apkyletexas says: Dec 1, 2013 11:09 PM

    No one will ever know for sure – Godell has already destroyed all the game tapes by now.

  13. detroit20iron says: Dec 1, 2013 11:14 PM

    Or your team just stinks this year?

  14. patriotsarespygaters says: Dec 1, 2013 11:15 PM

    spygate part 2….i admit i held the camera in texas practice this week

  15. bradyisbetterthanrodgers says: Dec 1, 2013 11:15 PM

    Lol here come the haters

  16. jacobk621 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:15 PM

    Antonio Smith ,,,,,,, BwahahahahahahahBwahahahahahaha !!!!!!!!

  17. kyleka0s says: Dec 1, 2013 11:16 PM

    Yeah. the current number two seed in the afc is spying on a 2-10 team. that makes total sense.

  18. j0esixpack says: Dec 1, 2013 11:17 PM

    Soooo… in the cheating conspiracy theory, this habit of spotting a team 24 and 17 points in the past few weeks is really just a ruse to help cover up the “cheating”

    It’s really kindof sad that both players and fans so misunderstand “spygate” and/or can’t comprehend that a 2006 camera location rule change doesn’t disqualify all previous Super Bowl winners – or even know that the Herald retracted the entire story.

  19. imeanwhatisay says: Dec 1, 2013 11:18 PM

    they cheated its the norm

  20. stevequinn says: Dec 1, 2013 11:18 PM

    Belichick is well known for his ability to adjust in the second half.

    Antonio Smith isn’t the brightest star in the sky.

  21. mrlaloosh says: Dec 1, 2013 11:18 PM

    Don’t need to be a spy to realize Antonio Smith is an idiot.

  22. nfl4days says: Dec 1, 2013 11:19 PM

    Yes, HOF QB tom brady who is known for dissecting plays almost as well as Peyton manning needed to spy on a 2-9 (now 2-10) team.

  23. ravenswhat says: Dec 1, 2013 11:20 PM

    Haha, cue the overly sensitive Pats fans.

    Thinnest skinned fans in sports by far.

  24. staffordsyear says: Dec 1, 2013 11:20 PM

    You guys lost because you suck, that is all.

  25. blakeinfla says: Dec 1, 2013 11:21 PM

    yea you couldnt pay me enough to spy on the texan, its so depressing all that talent and nothing to show for it.

  26. trollaikman8 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:21 PM

    It’s well known that Wade Phillips runs the simplest 3-4 defense on earth and that he has 20 years of (publically available) video tape.
    He’s not known to be a genius.

  27. patriotwayspygate says: Dec 1, 2013 11:22 PM

    Tom Brady hasn’t won a Super Bowl since Spygate. If they don’t win another Super Bowl with Brady, with Belichick, their three Super Bowls that they did win are going to be tainted. It’s going to be like Barry Bonds. You’re going to look at these three Super Bowls with an asterisk because of Spygate.

  28. poiuyt7 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:22 PM

    The Pats made came from way behind against the Broncos last week too. Red flags. You would have thought that Belichick would have learned his lesson about not cheating, but I guess not.

  29. backdapack4evr says: Dec 1, 2013 11:24 PM

    Rigged

  30. kash71 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:25 PM

    If you change Patriots with NSA, Antonio Smith would be right.

  31. harrisonhits2 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:27 PM

    Holy crap I’m laughing so hard I practically fell off my chair when I read this.

    Really ? In your stadium the Pats are somehow magically managing to spy on you ? Really ?

    Its called half time adjustments. I realize your team doesn’t know how to do that but its all the rage among the better teams.

    This is like a nuclear bomb of LFMAO

  32. mattwalshvideo says: Dec 1, 2013 11:27 PM

    Bill Belichick, Ernie Adams & Josh McDaniel (you know the little troll who brought that same cheating to Denver for a few years), the band is back together, doing what they do best, screw the league by cheating.

    Don’t worry though past trolls, Goodell will destroy the evidence again.

  33. fordmandalay says: Dec 1, 2013 11:27 PM

    Yeah, it’s not because the Texans suck or anything…

  34. patriotwayspygate says: Dec 1, 2013 11:28 PM

    If you know what somebody’s defensive signals and calls are before you line up on the field because you filmed their walkthroughs, and you practice with those signals, that’s cheating. There’s no other way to slice it.

  35. arlingtonsynn says: Dec 1, 2013 11:28 PM

    I am a pats hater. That being said…

    Antonio, may I suggest you google yourself the term “halftime adjustments”? You might see a pic of Bill Belicheck there with his foot firmly planted in a Texan ass.

  36. bullcharger says: Dec 1, 2013 11:29 PM

    2-9… Good time for Son of a Bum to add in his best wrinkles in a meaningless game.

  37. patriotinvasion says: Dec 1, 2013 11:32 PM

    There are no longer defensive hand signals used on the sidelines to even attempt to steal as all communications now go to the player with the green dot on his helmet. So short of a guy with binoculars on a hill over looking Texans practice, or some ridiculous FBI wire tapping conspiracy theory, there is no way to “spy” on a team anymore. So not sure what Smith is even talking about. Did he even play today? Didn’t notice him. Maybe he should start with that problem.

  38. fearthehoody says: Dec 1, 2013 11:34 PM

    Shhhh! Your teams irrelevant now. Pipe down and enjoy your long offseason

  39. easywolf says: Dec 1, 2013 11:37 PM

    Do you think people up here are as dumb as texans? Or maybe your def coord just sucks, heck your oil touting city sucks!

  40. backdapack4evr says: Dec 1, 2013 11:39 PM

    Bella cheat or its rigged
    NFL = WWF

  41. 1historian says: Dec 1, 2013 11:40 PM

    FYI – I am a Pats’ fan.

    Teams have been spying on each other since before the invention of dirt in ALL sports. Baseball, basketball, hockey, tennis, football, etc.

  42. Patskrieg dot com says: Dec 1, 2013 11:40 PM

    Some facts about this story:

    – Smith first said that the Patriots knew the Texans defensive calls in the first half. The half in which the Patriots scored in just 1 of their 5 drives for 7 points.

    – Then the story was that the Patriots somehow spied on the Texans halftime adjustments (IN THEIR OWN STADIUM) and came out knowing what to expect. Which one is it Antonio? The first half or the second half?

    – The Texans were having solid success blitzing heavily in the first half and backed off in the 2nd half essentially inviting the Patriots to pick them apart. He’s never been on the cover of Madden, but believe it or not Julian Edelman is actually hard to cover. Also, there isn’t much to know scheme wise when you let Gronkowski get behind your safeties.

    – Wade Phillips as a head coach and defensive coordinator has never beaten the Patriots. He also locked his keys in his own car after losing the 2006 playoffs so that’s the kind of mind you’re working with.

    – The Texans (2-10) have surrendered the 23rd most points in the league is it a wonder that they had trouble stopping the 7th highest scoring offense in the league?

    – Antonio Smith is over rated and can’t lose like a man.

  43. kate773 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:43 PM

    Amazing how the Pats haven’t won a legitimate game since 2007, when they gave everyone an excuse for all past and future beatings.

    /sarcasm

    If there’s anything that still pisses me off about Spygate, it’s that we are doomed to never hear the end of it.

  44. taintedsaints2009 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:55 PM

    i saw this game…the texans simply were destroyed by tom brady.

    it’s no different than what manning did in the second half to the chiefs.

  45. htown1035 says: Dec 1, 2013 11:55 PM

    They’ve done it before, why couldn’t they continue doing it.

    When you know exactly what a team is going to do when they’ve only practiced it for the first time during the week, and it’s a team that’s already been fined a half million dollars for doing it before, why shouldn’t it be questioned?

  46. spoilerfutbol says: Dec 1, 2013 11:57 PM

    Steelers 0 Superbowls since TomlinGATE

  47. u4iadman says: Dec 1, 2013 11:59 PM

    Well, Pats were caught cheating before and that inlavidated the SB win, so you never know.

  48. staubach12ismyidol says: Dec 2, 2013 12:06 AM

    Number of Super Bowls since Belicheat got caught in spy gate. ZERO !! That says it all.

    New Englander’s probably still believe Teddy went to the police right away after crashing that car off of the bridge too.

  49. eezyxyz says: Dec 2, 2013 12:08 AM

    “Smith suggested, however, that the Patriots were ready for something the Texans hadn’t done before, which would be the product of spying, not scouting”

    Not necessarily. There is such a thing as ‘self-scouting’, where you look at your own team and say ‘if I was the Texans looking at this, what would I try to do?’ That would allow a smart team to correctly guess what the opponent would come out and do, even if it was something new that the opponent had not tried before.

  50. goatbrady says: Dec 2, 2013 12:21 AM

    Or maybe it’s because your teams sucks that you lost. Get over it.

  51. hehateme30 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:33 AM

    Sour grapes?

  52. jolink653 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:33 AM

    Yeah, crazy to think Belichick saw what the Texans did in the first half, made the proper adjustments at halftime, and executed it in the second half. No, they’re definitely spying on the team with the worst record in football because that’s what it takes to beat a two-win team.

    There’s a difference between being a sore loser and just stupid. Smith is dancing dangerously close to that line.

  53. pick6ftw says: Dec 2, 2013 12:40 AM

    How dare you question the great Billy Belichik mighty Patriots? Blasphemous! It’s clear that they learned the error of their ways by being able to win 3 Super Bowls by cheating and then being fined a slap on the wrist when caught.

  54. skooter519 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:58 AM

    They must have spied on the Broncos as well because they spotted them a 24 point lead.

  55. footballfan58 says: Dec 2, 2013 1:01 AM

    OMG!!! I listened to this garbage on Sirius after the game. I think this Smith guy wears a tin hat. It was so paranoid that it’s laughable!! Hahahaha!!!! Good one!

  56. panfish2013 says: Dec 2, 2013 1:03 AM

    Spying? HaHaHaHa! Why on earth would they waste the time when both old Kubes and Wade are so predictable. Ed Reed said that old Bums’ son only called 3 different plays one game! What a joke of a team, coaching staff, and organization! Laughing stocks! lmao!

  57. nunan says: Dec 2, 2013 1:05 AM

    So they waited until the second half to utilize all that ‘spy’ material? Right..It’s called adjustments. They’re good at making them, hence the comeback last week against the Broncos.

  58. stewart09 says: Dec 2, 2013 1:09 AM

    lets face it the pats already had their defense figured out last year and its basically the same , they took advantage of the middle and the 1v1 match ups they got but i think the patriots should be more concerned about how teams are running it down their throats 31st in the league now this is gonna hurt them in the playoffs.

  59. goatbrady says: Dec 2, 2013 1:10 AM

    And honestly at this point, what has a team done that Brady hasn’t seen?

  60. sonoco says: Dec 2, 2013 1:21 AM

    Sounds like the Texans have a mole.

  61. alchemistcirca1979 says: Dec 2, 2013 1:35 AM

    lol, you lost. don’t point fingers.

  62. boomgrounder says: Dec 2, 2013 2:05 AM

    Asking if Belichick and the Patriots would cheat, by spying again if they thought they could get away with it. Is like asking if a fish swims!

  63. stangz11 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:06 AM

    *sigh*. I guess every team you’ve played (and lost to) since week 3 have been doing it too? Pathetic. C’mon Texans

  64. itsunclepauley says: Dec 2, 2013 2:28 AM

    I’m sure it was just good scouting.

    But this is what happens when you get caught cheating. You make everyone wonder. That’s nobody’s fault but the Pats.’

  65. johnniemayes says: Dec 2, 2013 2:54 AM

    Patriots have been caught TWICE for spying. We all know Spygate. But most don’t remember Josh McDaniels spying on the 49ers in London that lead to his firing in Denver.

    The special teams coach was hired from New England and was caught taping the 49ers practice. It was later found McDaniels knew about the spying.

  66. OnceACOWBOYFAN says: Dec 2, 2013 3:15 AM

    Pats, have been way too good , for way too long

  67. 4512dawg4512 says: Dec 2, 2013 3:18 AM

    I dont care either way, but I do like how Smith said what he really felt about it. You all are complaining but give the man some credit for not just going with the typical “we played hard but they were the better team today, bla bla bla”. Apparently thats what most of you like to hear but I’d prefer to know whats really on their minds regardless of wether I agree or not

  68. ken14andersonforhof says: Dec 2, 2013 4:41 AM

    the world knows Bilicheat cheats, and once a cheater ALWAYS a Cheater, so he has a point!

  69. tincansailor981 says: Dec 2, 2013 5:15 AM

    How about just admitting the Patriots were a better prepared team than yours yesterday? Or that just maybe they’re a better team, period?

  70. patriottony says: Dec 2, 2013 5:43 AM

    Just last week Ted Bruschi,,,told you,,,in word by word example how defenses figure out Qb’s (using manning as his example) When manning stomps his foot twice and screams Omaha…he’s audible to the left,,,when he screams Pittsburgh..he’s going right….you know it’s not rocket science. BTW for all you haters out there..BB is the only coach in the NFL who has advanced Degrees in Math from a real college,,not sports science,,,,or TV persona,,,a real degree that teaches you to think logically….maybe thats why he works so hard during the game making notes and adjustments. OH,,,Wade Phillips? BB has lost to him exactly once in his entire career….once. Pats in DECEMBER GAMES since 2000 (13 yrs) 26-5…..that means fools,,they have lost 5 games in 13 years in the month of December….5..

  71. IbelieveinSantaClaus says: Dec 2, 2013 5:56 AM

    “Either teams are spying on us or scouting us . . . I don’t know what it is,” Smith said – where is he saying the Patriots? Good job Michael David Smith. You tried to make something out of nothing, just like Florio.

  72. patshatersarelosers says: Dec 2, 2013 6:24 AM

    Antonio Smith: “Either teams are spying on us or scouting us . . . I don’t know what it is.”

    I know what it is. . . you SUCK!!!

  73. tommybrady says: Dec 2, 2013 6:51 AM

    It’s unfortunate because I really DID like Antonio Smith as a player. Unfortunately, every person’s true colors will eventually show and over the last couple of years he’s had a few instances that prove he is an idiot. You got Tom Brady’d son. You ain’t the first and ain’t the last.

  74. dsigrey says: Dec 2, 2013 6:53 AM

    Yup, years playing against Phillips defense in Buffalo will do that. Is there really any “new” wrinkles in the NFL? Just new players… Has Smith been checked for a head injury yet?

  75. boblavoie says: Dec 2, 2013 7:00 AM

    Hey Smith, Stop your whining and take notice: Did you see Belichick get emotional on the side line at any time in the first half? No – not at all; instead he was taking notes, always taking notes. Is this an NFL rules violation? No! It is just plain smart. By the second half Belichick made the necessary adjustments and proceeded to make, what he has left of a team, the Patriots win fair and square. Don’t criticize he who should be the coach of the year. AND never count out Tom Brady.

  76. dcapettini says: Dec 2, 2013 7:08 AM

    I guess that the current regime in Texas doesn’t scout their opponents and certainly doesn’t make halftime adjustments. Why else would Smith find it so amazing?

  77. meatsweat says: Dec 2, 2013 7:09 AM

    Eye-roll

  78. lolo376 says: Dec 2, 2013 7:09 AM

    Smh at Smith, they spied so well on the Texans that they still couldn’t stop them from scoring, does that mean that the other 10 times that Houston has lost has been a result of teams losing , or maybe it’s the fact that the defense worries more about being infront of the camera than it does winning?

  79. drednot says: Dec 2, 2013 7:20 AM

    Mr. Smith, shouldn’t the opposite apply too? Your team hadn’t scored 31 points all season, all of a sudden on Sunday you do?

  80. iamapatsfan says: Dec 2, 2013 7:29 AM

    Maybe it was the other way around. I mean, take a 2-8 team that is averaging under 20 points per game and then suddenly, they drop 31 points, almost as much as a Peyton Manning led Offense last week, on the Pats D? Maybe the Texans, being at home, were doing something fishy…

    C’mon Man! You can throw up a conspiracy theory anywhere with the right wording.

    Or, you could look at your 2-9 win/loss rate and understand that, I think, all 9 (or maybe 8, something like that) of those losses were decided by a TD or less. That just means you aren’t able to finish a game. Whether it’s getting the opposing team off the field that last time or not being able to drive it for the final score, the Texans just can’t finish out games this year.

  81. 3cupsanda6pack says: Dec 2, 2013 7:48 AM

    Patriots seem to make great halftime adjustments. Great coaching or things that make u go “hmmmm”?

  82. superpatsfan3 says: Dec 2, 2013 8:03 AM

    Brady vs. Wade Phillips Defenses:
    Pre-Spygate:
    Vs. San Diego: 224yds/1TD/1INT (Loss)
    Vs. San Diego: 280yds/2TD/3INT(Win)
    Post Spygate:
    Dallas 2007: 388yds/5TD/0 Int (blowout W)
    Houston 2012: 296yds/4TD/0INT (blowout W)
    Houston 2012:344yds/3TD/0INT (blowout playoff rematch W)
    Houston 2013: 371yds/2TD/1INT Just an average day at the office W)

    If I’m that Idiot Smith, I think I’d rather have the Pats filming than not…

  83. pattunya says: Dec 2, 2013 8:06 AM

    Yup. We were spying on you. We had huge cameras and listening devices for the Houston Texans. I mean you guys are in first place and all. Oh wait…

  84. metintodd says: Dec 2, 2013 8:11 AM

    If the Patriots were spying on the Texans, then how does Smith explain the miserable first half the Patriots played? Were they waiting until the 2nd half to put their cheating into action? It’s called making a halftime adjustment. Perhaps the Texans should try it sometime.

  85. texansfan13 says: Dec 2, 2013 8:16 AM

    You have to excuse Antonio, he plays on a team were the coaches make zero adjustments at half time so the fact that another team did confused him.

  86. doublezero74 says: Dec 2, 2013 8:23 AM

    Sometimes the feeble minded need to use easy to understand excuses rather than admit they’re simply not capable of higher thought

  87. expatpatfan says: Dec 2, 2013 8:27 AM

    You’ve lost 10 in a row because you’re impossible to watch, not the other way around.

  88. teecrouch says: Dec 2, 2013 8:29 AM

    On Behalf of Rams Fans Everywhere. We all know that the Pats have experience with spying.

  89. rahavort says: Dec 2, 2013 8:41 AM

    This is the same guy that took off an opposing players helmet and swung at him (Richie Incognito) correct? Stay classy Houston

  90. jae121704 says: Dec 2, 2013 8:45 AM

    Had this happened in the first quarter, I might be able to understand his claims. But halftime adjustments are just that, adjustments you make at halftime based on what the other team is doing…Isn’t brady one of the best in the business to do this?

  91. psousa1 says: Dec 2, 2013 8:55 AM

    Yeah……………..Super Sleuth Antonio Brown figured it out “Let the Texans get up by 17-7 and then put our plan of destruction into place”.

    They are 2-10 for a reason.

    What a jackass.

  92. brutus9448 says: Dec 2, 2013 9:05 AM

    Belicheat is a proven cheater and cheaters cheat. I still can’t believe this guy is allowed to coach in the NFL after the last episode.
    He should’ve been coaching high school teams by now.

  93. skippynj says: Dec 2, 2013 9:16 AM

    Pats accused of cheating under Belicheck? I’m shocked, shocked, I tell you!!! If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck…

  94. m2mako says: Dec 2, 2013 9:23 AM

    Listen you people or Smith are not even close. They have been intercepting the opposing teams helmet communications for years right after spy gate 1.

  95. jdubb719 says: Dec 2, 2013 9:28 AM

    And with the first pick of the 2014 NFL draft, Houston selects….

    If I was Houston mgmt… I would try very hard to not win the last 4 games….

  96. the8man says: Dec 2, 2013 9:53 AM

    High above Houston, Darth Hoodie’s SpyStar revolves around the earth in a peep-o-synchronous orbit. Capturing all details of his opponent’s plans and schemes.

    “Hmm. Darth Hoodie, evil he his. Dark side Jedi mind tricks employ, he does.” – Yoda

  97. realdealsteel says: Dec 2, 2013 9:58 AM

    So all of the last ten teams you played spying on you? Really?

  98. wallacejay says: Dec 2, 2013 9:58 AM

    Everything is bigger in Texas…including the excuses

  99. skippynj says: Dec 2, 2013 10:07 AM

    #Superbowl36tainted

  100. whiteyj69 says: Dec 2, 2013 10:25 AM

    Just a reminder for the folks spouting Spygate ridiculousness: how many Super Bowl victories were literally taken away from the Patriots? And how many of the Pats’ Super Bowl victories literally (that’s the key word here) have an asterisk beside them?

  101. jbernar1 says: Dec 2, 2013 10:36 AM

    Smith is crazy. It is called halftime adjustments for a reason. The Patriots make them better than most teams.

  102. pats1977 says: Dec 2, 2013 10:44 AM

    Does he even observe how often B. Bilichick takes notes on the sideline and hand them to his coaching staffs and constantly talking to the players, especially the defensive players after a successful drive by the opposing team.

  103. dualprime says: Dec 2, 2013 10:46 AM

    Calm down Pats fans! At this point 100 comments with thousands of thumbs up/down. If your organization is as above board as you state then why so defensive? So it’s okay to make nasty comments about Wade, his dad and the state of Texas as a whole? Show some class!

  104. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 10:49 AM

    An NFL halftime is what, 12 minutes long? It takes the players at least 5 minutes to make their way back to the locker room, get water, towels, rest, then the coach says a few words and then another 5 minutes to get back onto the field, stretch or throw the ball around or just be on the sideline ready to go for the second half. The whole “halftime adjustments’ isn’t really the case. It’s not like the movies where coaches have the players huddled around talking strategy during the halftime break – there’s rarely any conversation going on apart from some one-on-one talk or a general statement from the coach.

    That said, what everyone’s missing is the fact that Smith says the team put in NEW stuff during the week and the Pats knew that NEW stuff was coming. Teams make adjustments all the time, but to know what’s coming when the team that just put it in earlier in the week from a team that has already been caught cheating before is of course going to be suspicious.

  105. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 10:58 AM

    Anthony Smith and now Antonio Smith clowned on the Pats. Who’s next to the mic? Antone Smith?

    Hey if you cross your eyes when you read his name, Torrey Smith should be next to talk….

  106. patriotinvasion says: Dec 2, 2013 10:58 AM

    I just smile with glee that after 13 consecutive winning seasons, 5 Super Bowl appearances (and counting), 3 rings, 7 AFC Championship Games, and 10 AFC East crowns, the Patriots are still IN EVERYONE’S HEAD! They’ve become mythical and induce wild conspiracy theories to somehow justify their dominance. Sorry haters, Belichick and Brady still have a few more years of making you cry.

  107. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:07 AM

    The Patriots broke 0 rules when they were winning titles. Filming was 100% legal and filming from the sidelines was the same until 2006 after the Pats won all their title.

    Hence, unlike the PED-and-ref tainted Steeler championships and the salary-cap-violating Broncos titles, there is no asterick to be found on the Pats titles. That’s a fact.

    Facts are facts. Facts are indisputable, that’s what makes them fact. Pats haters can scream as loud as they wish. You can’t change what is fact no matter how much you want it to change.

  108. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:12 AM

    It’s amazing to me that Pats haters were waving their pom poms for that Rams walkthrough tape story to be true. If it was true it certainly would taint the Patriots championship.

    All intelligent football fans who respect the game were glad that story was a lie and they would never hope that any Super Bowl is tainted. Therefore, simple logic says that Pats haters are neither intelligent, nor respect the game.

    Discuss.

  109. texasdyack says: Dec 2, 2013 11:13 AM

    I find it more suspicious thats the pats had ZERO penalties. I saw at least 3 PI calls missed, a couple roughing the passer, and a very flagrant block in the back on the last kickoff. but no flags….

  110. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:16 AM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 11:12 AM
    It’s amazing to me that Pats haters were waving their pom poms for that Rams walkthrough tape story to be true. If it was true it certainly would taint the Patriots championship.

    All intelligent football fans who respect the game were glad that story was a lie and they would never hope that any Super Bowl is tainted. Therefore, simple logic says that Pats haters are neither intelligent, nor respect the game.

    Discuss.
    ——————————————–

    Okay – it wasn’t a lie, it totally happened, Belichick admitted it and paid a half-million dollar fine for it. So there’s that…

  111. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:23 AM

    Okay – it wasn’t a lie, it totally happened, Belichick admitted it and paid a half-million dollar fine for it. So there’s that…

    Sadly… no there isn’t. The fine was for filming from the sidelines against the Jets in week 1 of 2007. The same activity before that time was legal. Belichick admitting to a legal activity… well… no any less moot than me “admitting” to a police officer that I ran a green light.

    A worthy try at a rebuttal but not good enough…

  112. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:28 AM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 11:23 AM
    Okay – it wasn’t a lie, it totally happened, Belichick admitted it and paid a half-million dollar fine for it. So there’s that…

    Sadly… no there isn’t. The fine was for filming from the sidelines against the Jets in week 1 of 2007. The same activity before that time was legal. Belichick admitting to a legal activity… well… no any less moot than me “admitting” to a police officer that I ran a green light.

    A worthy try at a rebuttal but not good enough

    —————————————-
    Actually it is good enough – Belichick ap0logized which is an admission of guilt. Doesn’t matter if it was legal before or not – it was illegal, they knew it was illegal and they still did it, and it was how they beat the Rams in the Super Bowl – a team that no one ever though could be beaten by that Pats team.

    So yes, it’s quite good enough.

  113. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:36 AM

    Based on the thumbs down on my last post the only logical conclusion to draw is that Pats haters really enjoy disputing what is fact.

    To normal people disputing fact is an exercise in futility. So it seems Pats haters must enjoy living in their own fantasy world. Or perhaps it’s undiagnosed Tourette’s….

  114. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:40 AM

    Actually it is good enough – Belichick ap0logized which is an admission of guilt.
    —-
    He apologized for the incident in week 1 of 2007. As he should have in my opinion.

    He did not apologize for anything before that time. Nor should he have, as there was nothing to apologize for. As the facts say, taping was legal, and so was taping from the sidelines until after the Pats won all their titles.

    On the other hand the newspaper who broke the false story about the Rams walkthrough tape did apologize. By your logic, that is an admission of guilt… publishing a report that had no basis in fact.

  115. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:42 AM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 11:36 AM
    Based on the thumbs down on my last post the only logical conclusion to draw is that Pats haters really enjoy disputing what is fact.

    To normal people disputing fact is an exercise in futility. So it seems Pats haters must enjoy living in their own fantasy world. Or perhaps it’s undiagnosed Tourette’s….
    —————————————-
    Or perhaps it’s people like yourself who are so delusional to think things that aren’t true and yet pronounce yourself as the only person in the world saying anything right that would cause the thumbs down, and rightfully so.

  116. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:46 AM

    Doesn’t matter if it was legal before or not

    Oh but it certainly does matter. You are talking about the Rams game yes? What they were caught doing in week 1 of 2007 was perfectly legal in 2001.

    The walkthough tape if it existed was a different story but as an intelligent and informed fan who respects the game, I’m glad that was exposed as a false report.

    So there you have it.

  117. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:47 AM

    Or perhaps it’s people like yourself who are so delusional to think things that aren’t true and yet pronounce yourself as the only person in the world saying anything right that would cause the thumbs down, and rightfully so.
    ——

    Delusional for treating a fact as a fact? Nah.

  118. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:51 AM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 11:40 AM
    Actually it is good enough – Belichick ap0logized which is an admission of guilt.
    —-
    He apologized for the incident in week 1 of 2007. As he should have in my opinion.

    He did not apologize for anything before that time. Nor should he have, as there was nothing to apologize for. As the facts say, taping was legal, and so was taping from the sidelines until after the Pats won all their titles.

    On the other hand the newspaper who broke the false story about the Rams walkthrough tape did apologize. By your logic, that is an admission of guilt… publishing a report that had no basis in fact.
    ————————————–

    Please provide evidence that taping opponents practices and games were perfectly legal in 2006. You can’t, because it wasn’t legal in 2006 either.

    This memo from Ray Anderson, NFL head of football operations, to head coaches and GMs on Sept. 6, 2006 said: “Video taping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.”

    Maybe taping of games was legal, but in no way, shape or form has taping of offensive or defensive signals been legal – even in 2006.

    Now you can go away.

  119. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 11:56 AM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 11:46 AM
    Doesn’t matter if it was legal before or not

    Oh but it certainly does matter. You are talking about the Rams game yes? What they were caught doing in week 1 of 2007 was perfectly legal in 2001.

    The walkthough tape if it existed was a different story but as an intelligent and informed fan who respects the game, I’m glad that was exposed as a false report.

    So there you have it.
    ——————————————

    That’s why it’s called a “cover-up”. The NFL destroyed the tapes.

  120. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:06 PM

    First of all, the Patriots taped no team’s practices. I know hater nation loves to say that but as with many things, their version of reality isn’t in line with what really is reality.

    And you are correct, that is the memo that brought on the ban of taping from the sidelines. Before that time there was nothing in the rulebook which forbade the practice. So… getting back to that 2001 Rams Super Bowl… 5 years before that memo…. what rule did the Pats break? Hint: none

    And I would be interested to see some explicit proof from the NFL rule book which explicitly banned any taping of offensive or defensive signals, and how that could possibly be enforced if the camera is elsewhere in the stadium. That would be an interesting factoid to know, given the prevalence of the practice in the NFL including Super Bowl winning coaches…

    “Now you can go away”. Nah, I have a job to do here. It’s my moral obligation to educate and inform the uninformed. Oh yes.

  121. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:11 PM

    That’s why it’s called a “cover-up”. The NFL destroyed the tapes.

    The NFL destroyed the tapes for one reason: to ensure that no more were out there, and therefore if Belichick or any other team had another one the punishment would be severe.

    But hey who am I to knock anyone who believers in tin foil conspiracy theories and cover ups. Admittedly, those are fun to talk about even if they have no basis in reality.

  122. RE LEE says: Dec 2, 2013 12:20 PM

    Teams ARE either spying or scouting….. Don’t know if said teams would be flattered or insulted. The most logical conclusion is that your team sucks. Or you need to take meds. Seems like your paranoid.

  123. dualprime says: Dec 2, 2013 12:23 PM

    patriotinvasion says:
    Dec 2, 2013 10:58 AM
    I just smile with glee that after 13 consecutive winning seasons, 5 Super Bowl appearances (and counting), 3 rings, 7 AFC Championship Games, and 10 AFC East crowns, the Patriots are still IN EVERYONE’S HEAD! They’ve become mythical and induce wild conspiracy theories to somehow justify their dominance. Sorry haters, Belichick and Brady still have a few more years of making you cry.
    ==============================
    Hence, you are the new “Cowboys fans” of this decade. Frequently wrong, but never in doubt. And remember is took 42 years to win a championship with a stroke of genius putting your 6th round pick in at QB. Yeah right, we all believe you knew he was that good.

  124. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:30 PM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 12:06 PM
    First of all, the Patriots taped no team’s practices. I know hater nation loves to say that but as with many things, their version of reality isn’t in line with what really is reality.

    And you are correct, that is the memo that brought on the ban of taping from the sidelines. Before that time there was nothing in the rulebook which forbade the practice. So… getting back to that 2001 Rams Super Bowl… 5 years before that memo…. what rule did the Pats break? Hint: none

    And I would be interested to see some explicit proof from the NFL rule book which explicitly banned any taping of offensive or defensive signals, and how that could possibly be enforced if the camera is elsewhere in the stadium. That would be an interesting factoid to know, given the prevalence of the practice in the NFL including Super Bowl winning coaches…

    “Now you can go away”. Nah, I have a job to do here. It’s my moral obligation to educate and inform the uninformed. Oh yes.
    ——————————————–
    Your first statement is incorrect, so you’ve pretty much invalidated everything else you’ve said.

  125. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:31 PM

    The NFL destroyed the tapes for one reason: to ensure that no more were out there, and therefore if Belichick or any other team had another one the punishment would be severe.

    But hey who am I to knock anyone who believers in tin foil conspiracy theories and cover ups. Admittedly, those are fun to talk about even if they have no basis in reality.
    ———————————————-
    And yet this one does, hence why everyone is quick to accuse them of, yet again, doing it again.

  126. flash1283 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:36 PM

    dualprime says: Dec 2, 2013 12:23 PM

    patriotinvasion says:
    Dec 2, 2013 10:58 AM
    I just smile with glee that after 13 consecutive winning seasons, 5 Super Bowl appearances (and counting), 3 rings, 7 AFC Championship Games, and 10 AFC East crowns, the Patriots are still IN EVERYONE’S HEAD! They’ve become mythical and induce wild conspiracy theories to somehow justify their dominance. Sorry haters, Belichick and Brady still have a few more years of making you cry.
    ==============================
    Hence, you are the new “Cowboys fans” of this decade. Frequently wrong, but never in doubt. And remember is took 42 years to win a championship with a stroke of genius putting your 6th round pick in at QB. Yeah right, we all believe you knew he was that good.

    Yes, they did know he was “that good” that’s why he went from 4th string to starter that’s why they kept 4 QB’s on the roster! Who keeps 4 QB’s on the roster? Nobody!

    “Hence” you are just another in a long line of haters, aka jealous fans….

  127. flash1283 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:40 PM

    htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:30 PM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 12:06 PM
    First of all, the Patriots taped no team’s practices. I know hater nation loves to say that but as with many things, their version of reality isn’t in line with what really is reality.

    And you are correct, that is the memo that brought on the ban of taping from the sidelines. Before that time there was nothing in the rulebook which forbade the practice. So… getting back to that 2001 Rams Super Bowl… 5 years before that memo…. what rule did the Pats break? Hint: none

    And I would be interested to see some explicit proof from the NFL rule book which explicitly banned any taping of offensive or defensive signals, and how that could possibly be enforced if the camera is elsewhere in the stadium. That would be an interesting factoid to know, given the prevalence of the practice in the NFL including Super Bowl winning coaches…

    “Now you can go away”. Nah, I have a job to do here. It’s my moral obligation to educate and inform the uninformed. Oh yes.
    ——————————————–
    Your first statement is incorrect, so you’ve pretty much invalidated everything else you’ve said.


    No his first statement was
    “First of all, the Patriots taped no team’s practices. I know hater nation loves to say that but as with many things, their version of reality isn’t in line with what really is reality.”

    So his first statement is correct.

  128. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:43 PM

    And yet this one does, hence why everyone is quick to accuse them of, yet again, doing it again.

    ———

    Not at all. Wishful thinking by the haters, perhaps, but certainly not reality.

    And like I said, it’s amazing to me that the haters would wave their pompoms hoping any of these spygate and walkthrough tape stories are true. No intelligent football fan who respects the game would hope they are true. So since haters do then logically that means….

    And round we go.

  129. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:45 PM

    flash1283 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 12:40 PM


    No his first statement was
    “First of all, the Patriots taped no team’s practices. I know hater nation loves to say that but as with many things, their version of reality isn’t in line with what really is reality.”

    So his first statement is correct.
    —————————————-

    But they did, so yes it’s incorrect.

  130. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:47 PM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 12:43 PM
    And yet this one does, hence why everyone is quick to accuse them of, yet again, doing it again.

    ———

    Not at all. Wishful thinking by the haters, perhaps, but certainly not reality.

    And like I said, it’s amazing to me that the haters would wave their pompoms hoping any of these spygate and walkthrough tape stories are true. No intelligent football fan who respects the game would hope they are true. So since haters do then logically that means….

    And round we go.
    ——————————————–
    Fine – keep saying they’re not true when they are. Belichick was fined for it, apologized for it, Walsh admitted it, McDaniel’s assistant was busted for it – all of these are facts. But as typical Pats fans do, denial is not just a river in Egypt. Perhaps if you deny it enough it might actually disappear into the ether and all the “haters” will come out in droves apologizing to you for it.

    I wouldn’t hold your breath though…

  131. flash1283 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:51 PM

    htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 12:45 PM

    flash1283 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 12:40 PM


    No his first statement was
    “First of all, the Patriots taped no team’s practices. I know hater nation loves to say that but as with many things, their version of reality isn’t in line with what really is reality.”

    So his first statement is correct.
    —————————————-

    But they did, so yes it’s incorrect.

    No the Patriots didn’t tape any teams practice.

    If they did post the link to that article. You cant because there isn’t one.

  132. dualprime says: Dec 2, 2013 12:54 PM

    flash1283 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 12:36 PM
    dualprime says: Dec 2, 2013 12:23 PM

    patriotinvasion says:
    Dec 2, 2013 10:58 AM
    I just smile with glee that after 13 consecutive winning seasons, 5 Super Bowl appearances (and counting), 3 rings, 7 AFC Championship Games, and 10 AFC East crowns, the Patriots are still IN EVERYONE’S HEAD! They’ve become mythical and induce wild conspiracy theories to somehow justify their dominance. Sorry haters, Belichick and Brady still have a few more years of making you cry.
    ==============================
    Hence, you are the new “Cowboys fans” of this decade. Frequently wrong, but never in doubt. And remember is took 42 years to win a championship with a stroke of genius putting your 6th round pick in at QB. Yeah right, we all believe you knew he was that good.

    Yes, they did know he was “that good” that’s why he went from 4th string to starter that’s why they kept 4 QB’s on the roster! Who keeps 4 QB’s on the roster? Nobody!

    “Hence” you are just another in a long line of haters, aka jealous fans….
    ===========================
    Your arrogance just proved my point by you acting as if you know me well enough to state I’m jealous. I’ll type slowly so you get this…. The Patriots organization is one of the best ever, since Mr. Kraft came on board. It’s pompous fans like you (and Cowboys fans) that make us root against your team. Did you get that?

  133. dualprime says: Dec 2, 2013 1:04 PM

    Thanks to Goodell’s cover-up we may never know for sure, but it’s hard to find fault with Marshall Faulk wondering if he got the shaft.

    He more than likely did, and that also makes it hard to look at the New England “dynasty” as anything but tainted.

  134. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 1:05 PM

    flash1283 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 12:51 PM

    No the Patriots didn’t tape any teams practice.

    If they did post the link to that article. You cant because there isn’t one.
    —————————————–
    Easy – just go look at the Wiki for starters:

    “Prior to the meeting, Walsh sent eight videotapes, containing opponents’ coaches’ signals from the 2000 through 2002 seasons” They were from practices and games.

    More:

    “In addition several other teams including the Steelers and Packers also accused the Patriots of signal stealing with former Steelers wide receiver Hines Ward stating that when the offense would audible to another play the New England defenders would move to the new alignment before the offensive players arrived leaving no question that they in fact already knew what play had been called in the audible”

  135. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 1:08 PM

    Thanks to Goodell’s cover-up we may never know for sure, but it’s hard to find fault with Marshall Faulk wondering if he got the shaft.

    He more than likely did, and that also makes it hard to look at the New England “dynasty” as anything but tainted.

    —————–
    They broke no rules, hence no tainted titles.

    I don’t blame Faulk though for being bitter. The GSOT losing to the Patriots and an upstart QB was a tough pill to swallow…although not as tough as 18-1 was for the Pats.

  136. elyasm says: Dec 2, 2013 1:29 PM

    “In addition several other teams including the Steelers and Packers also accused the Patriots of signal stealing with former Steelers wide receiver Hines Ward stating that when the offense would audible to another play the New England defenders would move to the new alignment before the offensive players arrived leaving no question that they in fact already knew what play had been called in the audible”

    ———————————————–

    Knowing another team’s audibles isn’t cheating, it’s piss-poor coaching on the part of the Steelers for not changing their signals from one game to the next.

  137. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 1:29 PM

    Easy – just go look at the Wiki for starters:

    “Prior to the meeting, Walsh sent eight videotapes, containing opponents’ coaches’ signals from the 2000 through 2002 seasons” They were from practices and games
    ———————-
    Wikipedia article that anyone in the public can write =/= proof.

    Funny how I don’t see the word “practices” in ESPN’s version of the story:

    —-Before Goodell’s news conference, the league played for the media the tapes Walsh provided. The clips were cut from shots of opposing coaches going through their signals in games against the Patriots, as well as down and distance and the end zone view of the ensuing plays.–

    But hey, you keep believing what you want to believe. It’s a free country and believing what is factually wrong is a right that we all have.

  138. patriotinvasion says: Dec 2, 2013 1:38 PM

    htown1035 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 1:05 PM
    flash1283 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 12:51 PM

    Easy – just go look at the Wiki for starters:

    “Prior to the meeting, Walsh sent eight videotapes, containing opponents’ coaches’ signals from the 2000 through 2002 seasons” They were from practices and games.
    _____

    WHERE DOES IT SAY PRACTICES???

    More:

    “In addition several other teams including the Steelers and Packers also accused the Patriots of signal stealing with former Steelers wide receiver Hines Ward stating that when the offense would audible to another play the New England defenders would move to the new alignment before the offensive players arrived leaving no question that they in fact already knew what play had been called in the audible”
    ___

    THE PATS TAPED DEFENSIVE SIGNALS…not OFFENSIVE (helmet communication can’t be videotaped). So Hines is a complete idiot that got WHOOPED in TWO AFCCG’s AT HOME!

  139. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 1:41 PM

    They were from practices and games
    ——-

    Funny how that phrase was nowhere to be seen in the wiki article. Not surprising. It’s a typical ignorant Pats hater tactic, completely make something up and present it as “fact”.

  140. superpatsfan3 says: Dec 2, 2013 1:53 PM

    I must say I love it now when the haters come out. It used to bug me. Now all it means is we must have won another game. This is how Dallas from 70-85 and San Fran from 81-98 fan bases must have felt and I gotta say, it feels pretty F’n good. Not only do the Pats NOT SUCK like all about about 3 teams, but they are continually great. And I’m defining great by them dominating their division every year and having a legit shot at the SB year in and year out. Not only that, they are doing it in an era where the league has it set up AGAINST sustained success. Keep it coming haters…all it means is we probably just whipped your teams ass…again.

  141. hairpie2 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:02 PM

    Site wont let me paste a link… but heres the appology from the Boston Herald for making up the story about the Pats taping walkthrough paractices.

    Wednesday, May 14, 2008
    By:

    On Feb. 2, 2008, the Boston Herald reported that a member of the New England Patriots’ video staff taped the St. Louis Rams’ walkthrough on the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. While the Boston Herald based its Feb. 2, 2008, report on sources that it believed to be credible, we now know that this report was false, and that no tape of the walkthrough ever existed

  142. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:14 PM

    On Feb. 2, 2008, the Boston Herald reported that a member of the New England Patriots’ video staff taped the St. Louis Rams’ walkthrough on the day before Super Bowl XXXVI. While the Boston Herald based its Feb. 2, 2008, report on sources that it believed to be credible, we now know that this report was false, and that no tape of the walkthrough ever existed

    ——

    No!1!1! Goodell and Kraft paid off the newspaper to write that!1!1! Just like Kraft pays off Goodell to give the Patriots an easy schedule every single year.

    Or something.

  143. jasonculhane says: Dec 2, 2013 2:27 PM

    I like how ESPN, the Boston Globe and all media outlets try to protect this team. Lots of evidence and its more believable then the JFK conspiracy.

    How come no other player or coach as came out against anyother team but this one? That should be the first thing glaring at ya, why you guys?

    2 back to back weeks where Tom Brady’s looked pretty terrible in the first half, only to come back in the second half to mysteriously have things figured out…HMM. Why they don’t investigate is simple…Why ruin a great money maker and the Patriots are just that. Ratings, Ratings, Ratings.

    These people have accused the Patriots of cheating.

    Marshall Faulk
    Kurt Warner
    Ray Lewis
    Ed Reed
    Bill Polian
    Antonio Smith
    Eric Mangini
    John Harbaugh
    Matt Walsh
    Arlen SPector
    Will Colon

    So I guess all these players, coaches, are liars! That’s quite a list of reputable people in the same industry isn’t it?

    What it boils down to is the Patriots are about making money for the NFL. Making money is way more intriguing then Superbowls, Probowls or anything else and if the Patriots keep making money the NFL, ESPN or anyone of interest including this site is gonna put a blanket over them.

    The NFL makes its money in the regular season, the playoffs are just a bonus. The NFL only cares who’s IN the playoffs and if it can monipulate who’s in, and it will. The set up is for great games to watch, not blow outs. There are a few exceptions to the rule like a 7-9 Seattle team making the playoffs a few years back. There are holes in the system but the NFL is only interested in making money.

  144. hairpie2 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:31 PM

    Actually, espn was so humiliated by the fact there were no tapes, they changed their policy to have no more “Live Special Reports” ever. They also issued an appology including an admission they “coached up” guests to try and further implicate the Pats since no one could (and still cant) explain the benefit of taping something that cant be used in game.

  145. hairpie2 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:35 PM

    What it boils down to is the Patriots are about making money for the NFL. Making money is way more intriguing then Superbowls, Probowls or anything else and if the Patriots keep making money the NFL, ESPN or anyone of interest including this site is gonna put a blanket over them.

    The NFL makes its money in the regular season, the playoffs are just a bonus. The NFL only cares who’s IN the playoffs and if it can monipulate who’s in, and it will. The set up is for great games to watch, not blow outs. There are a few exceptions to the rule like a 7-9 Seattle team making the playoffs a few years back. There are holes in the system but the NFL is only interested in making money.
    ————————————————

    You have it backwards. Spector/Comcast/espn were all about destroying the Pats in order to be able to sell “competative balance.” no one wants to see a 7-9 team in the playoffs, but the league didnt want to see a team going 16-0 every year so they tried to stop them by creating Spygate and taking a first round pick away.

  146. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:40 PM

    Maybe Antonio Smith’s team should start taping.

    That way they can win 3 games this year instead of just 2.

  147. flash1283 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:45 PM

    These people have accused the Patriots of cheating.

    Marshall Faulk
    Kurt Warner
    Ray Lewis
    Ed Reed
    Bill Polian
    Antonio Smith
    Eric Mangini
    John Harbaugh
    Matt Walsh
    Arlen SPector
    Will Colon

    —-
    Lame!

    I can make a list of players and coaches who also said it way over blown and that it wasn’t cheating.

  148. superpatsfan3 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:45 PM

    I wish Bill would issue a statement to the effect of “The beatings shall continue” just to piss everyone who hates him and the Pats off.

  149. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:46 PM

    Maybe Antonio Smith’s team should start taping.

    That way they can win 3 games this year instead of just 2.

    1 1 <<< To the thumbs downer – you're probably right. They suck so bad, even taping won't help.

  150. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:47 PM

    I can make a list of players and coaches who also said it way over blown and that it wasn’t cheating.
    —–

    Matt Walsh= “reputable”…lololololol

  151. flash1283 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:58 PM

    Here is a question that the haters can never answer.

    If BB was this big cheater and evil person then why was he voted coach of the year in 2007? THE SAME YEAR “spygate came out!

    That’s an award that’s voted on by football writers from around the country so there is no ‘east coast’ bias/homers involved. Why would they give a “cheater” that recondition?

  152. flash1283 says: Dec 2, 2013 3:00 PM

    brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 2:47 PM

    I can make a list of players and coaches who also said it way over blown and that it wasn’t cheating.
    —–

    Matt Walsh= “reputable”…lololololol

    Ray lewis= “reputable”

  153. xxsweepthelegxx says: Dec 2, 2013 3:46 PM

    @ htown103

    2001 – Rams averaged over 30 pts/game leading up to the SB.
    – Rams scored 17 points in SB against Pats

    If you’re looking for a reason why they lost, it was their offense. You say the Pats cheated because they filmed DEFENSIVE signals…that’s the claim. Even if your conspiracy theory were true, the Rams still scored only 17 points, that’s why they lost.

    @ jasonculhane

    -Dont you think the Pats fumbling on 3 consecutive drives (5 times overall) attributed to the 1st half deficit against the Broncos?

    -2007 Pats averaged over 32 pts/game, breaking NFL offensive records everywhere along the way. Post “spygate” you know of course. Yet they ONLY score 13 pts in the SB. OBVIOUSLY there is cheating involved right? I mean, that’s not even close to 32 pts/game is it?

    Conspiracy theory is born, mark it on your caldendar.

    See how ridiculous your arguments sound???

    2001 – Pats are champs
    2003 – Pats are champs
    2004 – Pats are champs

    Nothing will change that. Move on. It’s the 2013-14 season.

  154. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 3:47 PM

    flash1283 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 2:58 PM
    Here is a question that the haters can never answer.

    If BB was this big cheater and evil person then why was he voted coach of the year in 2007? THE SAME YEAR “spygate came out!

    That’s an award that’s voted on by football writers from around the country so there is no ‘east coast’ bias/homers involved. Why would they give a “cheater” that recondition?
    ————————————————
    Because when you go 16-0 it’s kinda hard not to get that award. Still doesn’t change the fact that they cheated.

  155. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 3:59 PM

    xxsweepthelegxx says:
    Dec 2, 2013 3:46 PM
    @ htown103

    2001 – Rams averaged over 30 pts/game leading up to the SB.
    – Rams scored 17 points in SB against Pats

    If you’re looking for a reason why they lost, it was their offense. You say the Pats cheated because they filmed DEFENSIVE signals…that’s the claim. Even if your conspiracy theory were true, the Rams still scored only 17 points, that’s why they lost.
    —————————————–
    I never said they cheated because they filmed defensive signals, I said they cheated because they filmed signals – offensive and defensive. They haven’t won a thing since Spygate occurred – as great as Pats fans make them out to be every year, I wonder why that is?

  156. xxsweepthelegxx says: Dec 2, 2013 4:16 PM

    htown1035 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 3:59 PM
    xxsweepthelegxx says:
    Dec 2, 2013 3:46 PM
    @ htown103

    2001 – Rams averaged over 30 pts/game leading up to the SB.
    – Rams scored 17 points in SB against Pats

    If you’re looking for a reason why they lost, it was their offense. You say the Pats cheated because they filmed DEFENSIVE signals…that’s the claim. Even if your conspiracy theory were true, the Rams still scored only 17 points, that’s why they lost.
    —————————————–
    I never said they cheated because they filmed defensive signals, I said they cheated because they filmed signals – offensive and defensive. They haven’t won a thing since Spygate occurred – as great as Pats fans make them out to be every year, I wonder why that is?
    —————————-
    I guess I dont the “haven’t won anything since” argument. Should they win the SB every year or something? There have been like 5 teams to win it since the Pats in 04. Does that mean the other 27 teams areent cheating and mean the 5 teams that have one are cheating now?

    It just doesn’t make sense. The Pats are better, record wise, since this spygate nonsense. The Pats/Giants were Great….great games to watch. I wish the Pats had one both, or at least one, but lets not act as if they lost 40-0 and since the cheating was exposed they have gone 2-14 every year. A couple of plays/calls in all 5 SBs and maybe they are 2-3, 1-4, 5-0. That’s why they play the game.

  157. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 4:22 PM

    They haven’t won a thing since Spygate occurred – as great as Pats fans make them out to be every year, I wonder why that is?


    Pats fans say they’re great every year because, um, well, er, they are.

    Multiple division titles, 2 AFC Championships in the last 6 years, arguably 2 plays away from 2 more rings and winning 70%+ of their games while playing a first place schedule almost every year.

    At least you were close saying “haven’t won a thing”. Kind of. Well not really.

  158. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 4:23 PM

    Because when you go 16-0 it’s kinda hard not to get that award. Still doesn’t change the fact that they cheated.

    ——–

    When you are the all time HR champion, it’s kinda hard not to get into the Hall of Fame. That’s why the voters voted Barry Bonds in.

    Oh wait.

  159. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 4:25 PM

    2001 – Pats are champs
    2003 – Pats are champs
    2004 – Pats are champs

    ———-

    2007- helmet catch away from being champs and 19-0
    2011- arguably a welker drop away from being champs

    Amazing to think any team in the salary cap era and a QB drafted in the 6th round are that close to having 5 rings.

  160. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 4:28 PM

    A couple of plays/calls in all 5 SBs and maybe they are 2-3, 1-4, 5-0. That’s why they play the game.

    —-

    So true about 1-4. Kasay doesn’t kick the ball out of bounds, they go to overtime and the Pats D is reeling….. and 2001 Vinatieri’s kick in the snow and in the SB and yes, I’ll admit they got extremely lucky with the tuck rule.

    Breaks didn’t go the Pats way in the last two so I guess it evens out…

  161. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 4:29 PM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 4:23 PM
    Because when you go 16-0 it’s kinda hard not to get that award. Still doesn’t change the fact that they cheated.

    ——–

    When you are the all time HR champion, it’s kinda hard not to get into the Hall of Fame. That’s why the voters voted Barry Bonds in.

    Oh wait.
    ————————————-
    Comparing a football team to a baseball player now, are we? Kinda running out of excuses I guess.

  162. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 4:30 PM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 4:25 PM
    2001 – Pats are champs
    2003 – Pats are champs
    2004 – Pats are champs

    ———-

    2007- helmet catch away from being champs and 19-0
    2011- arguably a welker drop away from being champs

    Amazing to think any team in the salary cap era and a QB drafted in the 6th round are that close to having 5 rings.
    ————————————–
    Not hard to believe when you’ve already been accused and found guilty of cheating and haven’t won anything since then.

  163. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 4:44 PM

    omparing a football team to a baseball player now, are we? Kinda running out of excuses I guess.

    Nope, it’s a perfectly valid analogy. So obviously there is sentiment to deal with cheating regardless of accomplishment. Not so when Belichick won coach of the year in 07. I wonder why.

  164. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 4:46 PM

    Not hard to believe when you’ve already been accused and found guilty of cheating and haven’t won anything since then.

    They broke no rules to win those titles. Hence, not cheating to win them.

    If all those accomplishments is “not winning anything” what do you call..oh, I dunno… saaay…a 2-10 team?

    A team that should be contracted out of the NFL because they’re an embarrassment? Might not be a bad idea actually…..

  165. patriotinvasion says: Dec 2, 2013 4:49 PM

    htown1035 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 3:59 PM
    xxsweepthelegxx says:
    Dec 2, 2013 3:46 PM
    @ htown103

    I never said they cheated because they filmed defensive signals, I said they cheated because they filmed signals – offensive and defensive. They haven’t won a thing since Spygate occurred – as great as Pats fans make them out to be every year, I wonder why that is?
    ——

    LOL. Offensive signals? You just showed that you have no clue what you’re talking about since offensive play calls have gone directly to the QB’s helmet for years. How can you videotape radio waves? Wow. The Rams scoring only 17 points has nothing to do with spygate. They just got SHUT DOWN. Deal with it.

  166. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 4:58 PM

    In the Rams case it was defensive signals, but in the other videos they confiscated it was both.

  167. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 4:59 PM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 4:46 PM
    Not hard to believe when you’ve already been accused and found guilty of cheating and haven’t won anything since then.

    They broke no rules to win those titles. Hence, not cheating to win them.

    If all those accomplishments is “not winning anything” what do you call..oh, I dunno… saaay…a 2-10 team?

    A team that should be contracted out of the NFL because they’re an embarrassment? Might not be a bad idea actually…..
    ——————————————
    Not CAUGHT – corrected you there.

  168. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 5:08 PM

    Not CAUGHT

    —-

    There was nothing to catch. Except catching them on TV holding the Lombardi if you are a team not named the Patriots.

  169. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 5:12 PM

    Taping signals is legal.

    What should be illegal is the Texans charging big money to their fans for tickets and forcing them to watch a gawd awful product.

    Instead of talking smack Smith needs to apologize to the Patriots for thinking his team belongs on the same field as the Patriots.

  170. jpak12 says: Dec 2, 2013 5:17 PM

    Htown to save you from further humiliation. The Pats were not caught filming practices and walkthroughs there was a story written by the herald making such claims but after an investigation and the writer admitting he both lied and had no credible sources the writer and paper issued an apology to the Patriots as it was proven that they did NOT film a walkthrough and for the record that writers career has gone down hill since this.

    What the Patriots were caught doing was filming defensive hand signals from an improper position which was legal until just after the 2006 season as the NFL knew it was widespread among the NFL and sent a memo to ALL teams about filming in improper locations.

    For that one game in 2007 yes they were breaking the rules everything before that game was completely legal.

    Of course any logical thinking person would know it would be impossible to see the defensive hand single look up what that call is relay that to the offensive play caller and tell the QB all within the 15 seconds before the radio in the QBs helmet turns off, but then again based on your previous comments its clear you don’t have a very logical brain, or even a fully functional one.

    If your going to argue something atleast educate yourself on the subject

  171. flash1283 says: Dec 2, 2013 5:46 PM

    Htown this is all you need to know. The Patriots have kicked your teams ass the last 3 times they have played.

  172. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 7:26 PM

    Htown this is all you need to know. The Patriots have kicked your teams ass the last 3 times they have played.
    ————

    Game. Set. Match.

  173. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 7:43 PM

    I think even Tim Tebow could have lit up the Texans yesterday like the Patriots did.

    THAT was the #1 defense in the NFL? Soft. Very overrated in my opinion.

  174. dualprime says: Dec 2, 2013 8:14 PM

    flash1283 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 5:46 PM
    Htown this is all you need to know. The Patriots have kicked your teams ass the last 3 times they have played.
    ———————————————–
    Hmm, so a 3 point win is an ass kicking? Setting the bar pretty low for Marsha, huh?

  175. dualprime says: Dec 2, 2013 8:17 PM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 7:43 PM
    I think even Tim Tebow could have lit up the Texans yesterday like the Patriots did.

    THAT was the #1 defense in the NFL? Soft. Very overrated in my opinion.
    —————————————–
    A second sting back runs for 3 TDs and the un-drafted, practice squad QB runs for one too. Who’s defense is overrated?

  176. flash1283 says: Dec 2, 2013 8:27 PM

    dualprime says:
    Dec 2, 2013 8:17 PM
    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 7:43 PM
    I think even Tim Tebow could have lit up the Texans yesterday like the Patriots did.

    THAT was the #1 defense in the NFL? Soft. Very overrated in my opinion.
    —————————————–
    A second sting back runs for 3 TDs and the un-drafted, practice squad QB runs for one too. Who’s defense is overrated?


    The Texans that’s who. NE didn’t come into the game with the #1 overall D the Texans did. NE was starting 5 rookies on D.

  177. flash1283 says: Dec 2, 2013 8:28 PM

    Did JJ Watt even play?

  178. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 8:31 PM

    A second sting back runs for 3 TDs and the un-drafted, practice squad QB runs for one too. Who’s defense is overrated?
    —-

    Last I checked nobody is calling the Patriots defense good, but have at it….

  179. dualprime says: Dec 2, 2013 8:40 PM

    Flash1283
    The Texans that’s who. NE didn’t come into the game with the #1 overall D the Texans did. NE was starting 5 rookies on D.
    ——————————————
    Poor NE Having to defend an un-drafted QB (1 TD) and backup RB (3 TDs).

  180. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 8:41 PM

    Hmm, so a 3 point win is an ass kicking? Setting the bar pretty low for Marsha, huh?
    ———–
    Last 3 games vs Texans:

    Patriots are 3-0, with a playoff win.
    Average score: Patriots 39 Texans 24.3

    That’s an average margin of victory of more than 2 TDs.

    Yep….ass kicking.

    And as for “Marsha”…are you referring to 2 time Super Bowl MVP, 2 time league MVP, 3 time Super Bowl champion, holder of multiple NFL passing records and first ballot HOF lock? You mean him? That guy?

  181. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 8:47 PM

    Franchise history: Patriots 5 Texans 1, and the 1 was a meaningless game.

    And last season when it looked like the Texans were ready to move up to the elite teams in the NFL they met the Patriots who quickly and decisively put a stop to that noise.

    Ouch.

    Your bitterness is understandable but I must admit it’s quite amusing at the same time.

  182. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 8:52 PM

    flash1283 says:Dec 2, 2013 8:28 PM

    Did JJ Watt even play?
    ——————————————
    Yep, and despite being double and triple teamed the entire game he still had 5 tackles. 3 QB hits and a pass knockdown. I know the only thing that Pats fans can say is that he hasn’t had a ton of sacks, but lets ask Brady about the impact he’s had.

  183. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 8:53 PM

    Do you think the Texans will try video taping to beat the Patriots?

    I mean they’ve clearly proven they just don’t belong on the same field as the Pats. Maybe it’s time to try something new….

  184. htown1035 says: Dec 2, 2013 9:29 PM

    brazzz01 says:Dec 2, 2013 8:53 PM

    Do you think the Texans will try video taping to beat the Patriots?

    I mean they’ve clearly proven they just don’t belong on the same field as the Pats. Maybe it’s time to try something new….
    ———————————————-
    Maybe the Pats should try videotaping in the playoffs, since they haven’t been able to win much there lately.

  185. brazzz01 says: Dec 2, 2013 9:53 PM

    Maybe the Pats should try videotaping in the playoffs, since they haven’t been able to win much there lately.
    ——–

    Who did they beat last year in the playoffs? I forget. I guess it was some crappy team that had no business being in the playoffs….

  186. flash1283 says: Dec 2, 2013 10:02 PM

    htown1035 says:
    Dec 2, 2013 8:52 PM
    flash1283 says:Dec 2, 2013 8:28 PM

    Did JJ Watt even play?
    ——————————————
    Yep, and despite being double and triple teamed the entire game he still had 5 tackles. 3 QB hits and a pass knockdown. I know the only thing that Pats fans can say is that he hasn’t had a ton of sacks, but lets ask Brady about the impact he’s had.


    Really , Brady 371 yards (on the #1 D) 2 td’ sand a QB rating of 102.
    I’d say Brady had a bigger impact for his team thma Watt did for his team. And oh yeah, Brady’s team won. Again.

  187. bcgreg says: Dec 3, 2013 8:09 AM

    Here’s a question. Why would the Texans change anything at the half? Why would they add a “new wrinkle” when they’re destroying their opponent?

    Answer? Poor coaching. Don’t fix what ain’t broke. You outfoxed yourself and got outcoached by NE.

  188. dualprime says: Dec 3, 2013 10:12 AM

    After 187 comments and thousands of thumbs up & down, Antonio Smith says “I was joking about the Patriots spying.” What does this mean? Texans fans can head for the beach (it will be 80 today) and Pats fans can crawl back into their FEMA trailers. See ya next year!

    PS: I’m still laughing at your loss to the Bengals!

  189. brazzz01 says: Dec 3, 2013 11:04 AM

    I’m still laughing at your loss to the Bengals!

    ————

    You mean the team that sits in first place in the AFC North 6 games clear of the Texans in the AFC?

    The team that held the same team to 7 that just put up 34 on the Texans?

    Them? Those guys?

  190. dualprime says: Dec 3, 2013 12:25 PM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 3, 2013 11:04 AM
    I’m still laughing at your loss to the Bengals!

    ————
    You mean the team that sits in first place in the AFC North 6 games clear of the Texans in the AFC?
    The team that held the same team to 7 that just put up 34 on the Texans?
    Them? Those guys?
    ===============================
    Yep, you got it! Those Bengals with the QB from Texas that held Marsha and the gang to 6 points. You’re one sharp Pat fan.

  191. brazzz01 says: Dec 3, 2013 1:15 PM

    Yep, you got it! Those Bengals with the QB from Texas that held Marsha and the gang to 6 points. You’re one sharp Pat fan.

    ——–
    Cool story bro.

    I think the Texans should pick up Andy Dalton and put him on defense. He’d be an upgrade to that soft and weak and severely overrated Texans defense, that’s for sure.

  192. dualprime says: Dec 3, 2013 2:06 PM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 3, 2013 1:15 PM

    Cool story bro.

    I think the Texans should pick up Andy Dalton and put him on defense. He’d be an upgrade to that soft and weak and severely overrated Texans defense, that’s for sure.
    ————————————-
    Good idea but since Andy is fast becoming the best QB in the AFC he should stay put. It really hurts you that his team beat your team.

  193. brazzz01 says: Dec 3, 2013 2:13 PM

    I think the Texans should pick up Andy Dalton and put him on defense. He’d be an upgrade to that soft and weak and severely overrated Texans defense, that’s for sure.

    3 1 <<< The thumbs downer has a good point. Maybe Andy Dalton wouldn't help that limp wristed and laughably weak Texans defense. Hey I heard there's a former NFL QB who is unemployed right now. He'll help that Texans D for sure. As long as he's willing to change positions.

    Do I hear the rumbling of TEBOW TIME off in the distance? I think so!

  194. brazzz01 says: Dec 3, 2013 2:25 PM

    It really hurts you that his team beat your team.

    ——

    Nah, not hurt. It happens. Any given Sunday. You just tip your cap and move on and hopefully come playoff time things are different.

    But if focusing on that floats yer boat then have at it….

  195. dualprime says: Dec 3, 2013 2:51 PM

    brazzz01 says:
    Dec 3, 2013 2:13 PM

    The thumbs downer has a good point. Maybe Andy Dalton wouldn’t help that limp wristed and laughably weak Texans defense. Hey I heard there’s a former NFL QB who is unemployed right now. He’ll help that Texans D for sure. As long as he’s willing to change positions.

    Do I hear the rumbling of TEBOW TIME off in the distance? I think so!
    ===========================
    You’re making this too easy. Last team dumb enough to have TEBOW TIME was…uh…you know.

  196. brazzz01 says: Dec 3, 2013 3:06 PM

    Last team dumb enough to have TEBOW TIME was…
    ——-

    I didn’t realize preseason counted for anything but what do I know.

  197. erod71 says: Dec 3, 2013 7:14 PM

    A wise man once told me, Win if u can. Lose if you must…But always cheat!!!
    I guess he told belichick the same thing. You can’t be that naive to think that every time the pats are at home, they can come back and win the game .even after being completely shut out in the first half. (Things that make u go hmmmmm!!!!) You have to be really stupid to think that the head gear radios and the coaching equipment cant have their communications intercepted by someone in the pats organization and at half time they review the game tapes ,the audio that has been collected. Simply add the call to the play and u know everthing the other team is going to do.
    We can pick up other countries encrypted information off of satellites. You think a radio signal can’t be intercepted ? You’ve got to a patriots fan .!!!
    People never really change they only become more fully what they are. !!!
    The Pats and belichick should have been digraced in a public forum and the cheating coach should have never been allowed to coach even a mighty might team. He might teach a kid to be a cheater. It was ok before he got caught right.

  198. brazzz01 says: Dec 3, 2013 7:24 PM

    A wise man once told me, Win if u can. Lose if you must…But always cheat!!!
    ———–

    Is this the ghost of Al Davis???

  199. superpatsfan3 says: Dec 4, 2013 6:24 AM

    It’s so easy to cheat to win by kicking FG’s…I mean, how hard can it be to win by kicking two 53yd FG’s in the 4th quarter of a game you have to have on a crap field? BTW..how the hell does a southern DOME TEAM have a bad field??? Maybe someone should investigate that?

  200. dualprime says: Dec 4, 2013 11:06 AM

    superpatsfan3 says:
    Dec 4, 2013 6:24 AM
    It’s so easy to cheat to win by kicking FG’s…I mean, how hard can it be to win by kicking two 53yd FG’s in the 4th quarter of a game you have to have on a crap field? BTW..how the hell does a southern DOME TEAM have a bad field??? Maybe someone should investigate that?
    ==========================
    The surface got torn up by Ben Tate and Keenum running for all those TD’s before the Pats kicked those game-winning FG’s. Anymore stupid observations?

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