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Chargers’ Troutman says Burfict baited him into a personal foul

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Chargers offensive lineman Johnnie Troutman picked up a personal foul penalty on Sunday against the Bengals, and he says the result is he learned a valuable lesson: When one player takes a cheap shot and another player reacts, the officials are going to throw the flag on the guy who reacted.

That’s what Troutman says happened on Sunday, when Bengals linebacker Vontaze Burfict started it, but Troutman got flagged for pushing Burfict.

Usually the second guy gets caught,” Troutman said, via Michael Gehlken of U-T San Diego. “I was the second guy, so I got caught.”

Chargers coach Mike McCoy says it doesn’t matter if Burfict started it. Troutman needs to be composed enough not to react.

“You have to be poised under pressure,” McCoy said. “It’s something that whether you get baited or not, it’s unacceptable. That’s what I told him instantly after the play happened. I’m sure you all saw that. After the game, talking to the team, it’s something we can’t accept. You don’t want any unsportsmanlike conducts. . . . That’s kind of certain players’ jobs to bait you into certain penalties. You have to stay away from it. It really hurt our football team.”

And Burfict, who has been known to pick up personal fouls of his own, helped the Bengals by getting a rise out of Troutman.

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54 Responses to “Chargers’ Troutman says Burfict baited him into a personal foul”
  1. bharr170 says: Dec 5, 2013 12:59 PM

    I love Burfict. He’s a beast, throwback physical LB. I sure hope he stays in Cincy for a long time.

  2. thestrategyexpert says: Dec 5, 2013 1:00 PM

    Nice work by Burfict again. One of the best attitudes you will find in football. Despite getting blacklisted by teams on account of that attitude.

  3. steve41015 says: Dec 5, 2013 1:00 PM

    One of the best LBs in the league and that mean streak is a big reason why.

  4. ibottpsgoldpants says: Dec 5, 2013 1:00 PM

    Stop hating on Burfict. Half his personal fouls have been bad calls be refs targeting him. He even has a letter from the commissioner to prove it. Dude is a stud!

  5. wishingtonredslur says: Dec 5, 2013 1:02 PM

    That depends on whether you’d like to go out on your feet.

  6. doctorrustbelt says: Dec 5, 2013 1:05 PM

    Vontaze Burfict is a lot like John Shaft.

  7. jkampel20 says: Dec 5, 2013 1:05 PM

    They were words, guy. If words can make you react when you know he’s trying to get under your skin… You only have yourself to blame.

    Burfict is one of the best LB’s in the league and an animal. He plays with heart and intensity every single play. I wish more pros played with that attitude.

    This is football. Man up.

  8. hooterdawg says: Dec 5, 2013 1:07 PM

    Why can’t officials use replay to assess who started on-field fights? If players know the officials will penalize both combatants, they will be less likely to throw the first punch.

  9. bengalsucker says: Dec 5, 2013 1:09 PM

    Oh please. Burfict helped the Bengals by getting 13 tackles combined. Troutman hurt his team by getting a personal foul call. Don’t blame it on Vontaze becase you can’t control your emotions.

  10. chinahand11 says: Dec 5, 2013 1:13 PM

    At least Johnnie seems to have learned from this; 15 yards backward for your team will induce instant football maturity in some.

  11. johngaltwho says: Dec 5, 2013 1:14 PM

    Baiting someone into a penalty is a part of all sports.

  12. romer318 says: Dec 5, 2013 1:18 PM

    It’s like reading about two five year old kids fighting each other. Just don’t react, walk away and avoid the easy 15.

  13. teambringitstrong says: Dec 5, 2013 1:20 PM

    I’ve watched Burfict since he was at Corona Centennial. He was out out of control then and still is. I will never forget in the 2008 state title game when he purposefully ran over one official because he was standing over the ball. The official threw the flag and signaled an ejection but was talked out of it by the lead official. It was an act of disrespect and a mugging and while you can’t deny his talents, between the ears, he is not there and that’s not a good thing.

  14. doctorrustbelt says: Dec 5, 2013 1:23 PM

    1/2 of Vontaze Burfict’s personal fouls were reactions to other players.

    1/4 of Vontaze Burfict’s personal fouls were bad calls

    1/4 of Vontaze Burfict’s personal fouls were accurate interpretations of the rules.

  15. beelicker says: Dec 5, 2013 1:24 PM

    From my season ticket vantage point other teams’ targeting trying to chip & provoke Burfict into “reacting” to their own constant shoves backward over the pile & routinely going so far as to try to constantly knock him off his feet after the whistle started in the preseason his rookie year & hasn’t really let up. I mean this happened constantly from the start (and continues) pretty much seemingly by opponent design.

    Burfict also seemed prepared for it early to the point of expecting it as he’d hold up his hands & grin like “oh ho, haha, I guess ya got me again” & then channeling it constructively into his play from that point.

    What was also apparent from the beginning was his special outlying innate sense of body movement & force application dynamics & spatial/physical awareness while moving at top speeds … aka he “thinks on his feet” & with skillfully applied force

  16. jetsjetsjetsnow says: Dec 5, 2013 1:27 PM

    He’s just figuring this out now….

  17. bengalsucker says: Dec 5, 2013 1:27 PM

    teambringitstrong says:
    Dec 5, 2013 1:20 PM
    I’ve watched Burfict since he was at Corona Centennial. He was out out of control then and still is. I will never forget in the 2008 state title game when he purposefully ran over one official because he was standing over the ball. The official threw the flag and signaled an ejection but was talked out of it by the lead official. It was an act of disrespect and a mugging and while you can’t deny his talents, between the ears, he is not there and that’s not a good thing.

    ———————–

    Burfict has come a long way since then. Of course the kid still has some immaturity he needs to work on. But let’s not keep holding the past against him. He’s growing up and developing into a heck of a football player. So he baited a guy into a foul. Lots of vets still do that. It’s smart football.

  18. atkinsandgreenreignsupreme says: Dec 5, 2013 1:28 PM

    teambringitstrong says:
    Dec 5, 2013 1:20 PM
    I’ve watched Burfict since he was at Corona Centennial. He was out out of control then and still is. I will never forget in the 2008 state title game when he purposefully ran over one official because he was standing over the ball. The official threw the flag and signaled an ejection but was talked out of it by the lead official. It was an act of disrespect and a mugging and while you can’t deny his talents, between the ears, he is not there and that’s not a good thing.

    Out of control???? When??? Half the personal fouls were garbage as confirmed by the league due to shady Refs looking at his history…Has he been arrested Cincy??? Punched a ref his coach or teammates???? Explain the out of control statement in his present playing experiences? Get out of the past and recognize the guy for his maturity and play that has allowed him to be 1 of the best LBs in the league. Did you know he calls all the plays on the defense and wears the mic to hear coach’s plays??? …Enjoy the rest of the season…WHO DEY!

  19. whodeybacker says: Dec 5, 2013 1:31 PM

    Teambring… get over it. He was 17 then. Im betting it was afumble and the ref was in the way of him getting to it. Burfict is intense for sure. I know 31 other teams that would take him in a heartbeat.

  20. bengalskuta82 says: Dec 5, 2013 1:32 PM

    Aww so he baited you into personal foul?
    Hahaha welcome playing against the best. Thats all I can say

  21. raiders85 says: Dec 5, 2013 1:33 PM

    His coach said it best you have to have poise not sure what’s worse the penalty ot being ignorant enough to think people care if he was allegedly baited into just making things worse genius

  22. schmitty2 says: Dec 5, 2013 1:34 PM

    Burfict is a heck of a talent no doubt about it but for all of you defending his style of play and that he’s targeted by officials…he is targeted for a reason! The guy has played out of control and has major anger issues dating back to his days in high school as a previous poster alluded to. If he can cutback on his personal fouls he will be a multi-time pro bowler.

  23. iloveagoodnap says: Dec 5, 2013 1:35 PM

    That’s what the best trash talkers do, get inside the head of their opponents and get a reaction. Steve Smith has mastered it. The key is to also be good, too, because that’s when the other players get real flustered. Not just pull a Jason Pierre Paul and run your mouth, then play like poops on the field.

  24. isphet71 says: Dec 5, 2013 1:45 PM

    That’s just a great job by Burfict; and a dumb move by Troutman.

    No one cares that Suh got his shoes untied 4 times (and he had to leave the game 4 times because of it for a play) in the Packers game before he eventually stomped on Evan Deitrich-Smith for doing it.

  25. Kaz says: Dec 5, 2013 1:46 PM

    and people are right. If you’ve watched many of Burficts personal fouls have been bs. Which is why the league has apologized at times. Google it.

  26. yahmule says: Dec 5, 2013 1:48 PM

    Wasn’t Troutman John Rambo’s CO? I would expect more discipline from a former special units commander.

  27. rgwhodey says: Dec 5, 2013 1:52 PM

    Burfict didn’t touch him on that play he walked by and something in his ear, I remember thinking he must have said something pretty hilarious to get a reaction like that I hope he was mic’d…

  28. ajschn06 says: Dec 5, 2013 1:52 PM

    I might have missed this, but is Cincy now starting to copy the dumbest slogan in the league with Who Dey?

  29. truths4all says: Dec 5, 2013 1:55 PM

    OK, Troutman, we get it. You are a stooge and nine years old. Anyone who baits you will succeed and get a rise out of you because you are DUMB!!! After years of Pop Warner, high school ball, juco ball, college ball, and pro ball, you still were too stupid and allowed yourself to be baited and hurt your team. And you want to blame Burfict and try to explain away your foolishness?

    I really hope that for the rest of the season, other teams try to bait you and see if you really as stupid as you seem to be.

  30. monsterscream says: Dec 5, 2013 1:55 PM

    He’s rapidly becoming the league’s dirtiest player. This has happened three times this year.

    1. vs. Green Bay – OG Josh Sitton after a FG.

    2. vs. Baltimore – WR Torrey Smith

    3. vs. San Diego – Johnnie Troutman

  31. 303bengalguy says: Dec 5, 2013 1:58 PM

    Burfict should be a top candidate for DPOY. He’s realizing that you can be on the other end of the “bait” game and that other teams are actually game planning to mess with him, and try to get him to draw unsportsmanlike conduct flags. Realizing that, he’s not getting as many now. He still talks as much trash as anyone in the league, but it’s not Richard Sherman-like, it’s good nature stuff.

    Sure I’m a homer, but he might be the best LB in the NFL (prove me wrong, and cite examples please). Never seen a guy be so constantly around the ball and I’m not sure if his instinct can be matched by any defender in the NFL right now. Seriously, if you have Sunday Ticket (outside the Cincy market) tune into their games and bear witness. He’s amazing to watch.

  32. apkyletexas says: Dec 5, 2013 2:01 PM

    Basically, Burfict bullied Troutman.

    Poor fellow.

  33. crownofthehelmet says: Dec 5, 2013 2:05 PM

    From the looks of it, he must’ve used a double-cheseburger as bait.

  34. richcranium2112 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:07 PM

    Burfict plays with an edge and on the edge. If he was on my team, I’d love him like the Cincy fans do.

    He tends to be able to get under peoples’ skin and gets away with some questionable actions. Dude is a beast.

  35. bengalsucker says: Dec 5, 2013 2:08 PM

    schmitty2 says:
    Dec 5, 2013 1:34 PM
    Burfict is a heck of a talent no doubt about it but for all of you defending his style of play and that he’s targeted by officials…he is targeted for a reason! The guy has played out of control and has major anger issues dating back to his days in high school as a previous poster alluded to. If he can cutback on his personal fouls he will be a multi-time pro bowler.

    ——————–

    He’s targeted because of his past. Plain and simple. Explain why the league has already had to apologize to him over flags thrown on him in games? Sounds to me like the refs are going to flag any hard hit that Burfict puts on someone and then let the league sort it out later. He hasn’t had anymore illegal hits or incidents in the league than most other players in the NFL that you never hear about. He plays with fire and that’s what you need in this league. I have no issue with the way he plays. Everyone was ok with the way Ward played and he was a cheap shot artist.

  36. footballchic777 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:08 PM

    Burfict learned this lesson the hard way……over and over and over again! This guy is awesome. With control and maturity…?this guy will be one of the best!

  37. 303bengalguy says: Dec 5, 2013 2:09 PM

    This is modern day Vontaze in a nutshell, after last weeks game (in which he played on a sprained ankle):

    “I feel like I was a productive person out there. I’m playing for my coaches and my teammates,” Burfict said. “I have so many leaders around me I feel like I have to step up because they’re expecting me to be great and do big things for the team and be a leader.

    “That makes me want to do well; that they care about me so I want to do well.”

  38. mrgroovesd says: Dec 5, 2013 2:14 PM

    Burfict did the equivalent to a flop in the NBA but didn’t get caught flopping, instead Troutman was called for the foul. Bravo Burfict!

  39. doctorrustbelt says: Dec 5, 2013 2:18 PM

    All Burfict’s detractors would gladly trade their team’s best defensive player for Burfict.

  40. themonkeyman says: Dec 5, 2013 2:25 PM

    “They drew First Blood…they drew first blood…”

  41. davetrembley says: Dec 5, 2013 2:28 PM

    No excuses, Troutman. Play smarter.

  42. bengalsucker says: Dec 5, 2013 2:31 PM

    monsterscream says:
    Dec 5, 2013 1:55 PM
    He’s rapidly becoming the league’s dirtiest player. This has happened three times this year.

    1. vs. Green Bay – OG Josh Sitton after a FG.

    2. vs. Baltimore – WR Torrey Smith

    3. vs. San Diego – Johnnie Troutman

    ——————–

    Dirtiest player in the league because he baits players into personal foul calls? Give me a break. That’s the most absurd thing I’ve heard. Dirty players are out to hit their opponent to injur them or end their career. (see Brandon Mariweather). Burfict is not out to put someone out. He’s out to win ball games and play as hard as he can.

  43. oside760 says: Dec 5, 2013 2:37 PM

    Johnnie who?

  44. johnelwayishorsefaced says: Dec 5, 2013 3:11 PM

    If you’re less emotionally mature/stupider than Vontaze Burfict you should probably seek a new line of work or just go crawl under a rock somewhere. He’s about as stupid as they come so it’s a real problem if he’s inside your head.

  45. akboot says: Dec 5, 2013 3:13 PM

    This guy is just now figuring that out? Holy smokes. This guy is sharp.

  46. citizenstrange says: Dec 5, 2013 3:20 PM

    Of course you should cheat preemptively. It worked for Tomlin didn’t it?

  47. junglerat524 says: Dec 5, 2013 3:41 PM

    Three Words:

    Defensive Player Of The Year.

  48. jjackwagon says: Dec 5, 2013 3:53 PM

    If you feel you are being bullied on the field I am sure Martin has an empty seat on his couch.

  49. aljack88 says: Dec 5, 2013 3:57 PM

    “…..his special outlying innate sense of body movement & force application dynamics & spatial/physical awareness while moving at top speeds … aka he “thinks on his feet” & with skillfully applied force…..”

    beelicker – kudos to your description. I have visions of Butkus, Lambert, Singletary and so many other great ones while reading that.

  50. t8ertot says: Dec 5, 2013 4:25 PM

    The way players have baited Burfict this year, what goes around comes around

  51. nje22 says: Dec 5, 2013 4:38 PM

    Every bad ass defense needs that crazy Nuke LaLoosh guy, “we dont know what the hell hes gonna do” type to give a def an edge, bears had it, ravens had it, steelers, you get the pt.
    He makes us…dangerous

  52. stevincinci says: Dec 5, 2013 6:28 PM

    junglerat524 says:
    Dec 5, 2013 3:41 PM
    Three Words:

    Defensive Player Of The Year.

    uhhh,,,,, that’s five words dude.

  53. kazkal says: Dec 5, 2013 7:43 PM

    Can someone link about goodell letter to burfict can’t find anything on it

  54. gallopinggilmore says: Dec 6, 2013 9:40 AM

    Its dirty but I’m happy to see them on the instigating end rather than the receiving end of personal fouls. They’d be the 2nd seed in the playoffs if it wasn’t for boneheaded personal fouls against the Bears.

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