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With Foles flourishing, Eagles singing different quarterback tune

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In September, someone (possibly with the Eagles) was putting out the word that the Eagles nearly traded for 49ers quarterback Colin Kaepernick prior to the 2012 draft, and that the Eagles otherwise wanted to pick Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson.

Philly instead settled for Nick Foles in the third round.

Now that Nick Foles has become Nick Freaking Foles, you’ll hear no chatter about what might have been in Philly.  Instead, the current buzz centers on the front office’s foresight.

That’s the gist of the latest item from Reuben Frank of CSNPhilly.com, with extensive quotes from G.M. Howie Roseman:  The Eagles saw in Foles that which no one else did.

Fine.  So why did they nearly trade for Kaepernick?  And why did they covet Wilson?  And why did someone (possibly with the Eagles) leak that in September?

The competing, albeit chronologically separate, quarterback narratives hint at a certain amount of insecurity in the organization, especially as it relates to the selection of players before the arrival of coach Chip Kelly.  While the Eagles successfully concealed for months the post-Andy Reid power structure, word eventually emerged that Kelly negotiated final say over personnel as part of his deal.

As a result, Roseman sets the table for Kelly.  And Roseman needs Kelly to regard Roseman as a competent table setter.  Otherwise, Kelly eventually could have the power to hire his own guy to set the table.

In September, the message is that Roseman wanted Kaepernick or Wilson over Foles.  Now, the message is that Roseman wanted Foles.

Meanwhile, Kelly is the guy who picked Mike Vick over Nick Foles prior to Week One.  Based on Foles’ performance, that could be the strangest decision of them all.

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45 Responses to “With Foles flourishing, Eagles singing different quarterback tune”
  1. logicalvoicesays says: Dec 7, 2013 1:32 PM

    Zero Superbowls. #Wehave3

  2. foolsgoldstandard says: Dec 7, 2013 1:41 PM

    Of course they’re going to say all the right things. Since when has an NFL FO came out and said “Boy, we almost screwed that one up. Lucky for us it all turned out OK.”

  3. mad55555 says: Dec 7, 2013 1:51 PM

    Racistskins got bob for three 1st rd picks and a 2nd. The Eagles got Nick “ZERO INTs” Foles for a 3rd rd pick.
    Who got the better QB?

  4. bn2n2me says: Dec 7, 2013 2:08 PM

    Yall sound dumb as hell. Foles is a lame, never has and never would beat out Vick, or Kaep or Wilson. He’s a product of environment, and play calls but Im in NO ways impressed.

  5. illiniftw says: Dec 7, 2013 2:08 PM

    Maybe Vick WAS the better option at the beginning of the year but Foles out worked him and took the job when he got the chance. Wouldn’t be the first time in the NFL

  6. terrellblowens says: Dec 7, 2013 2:11 PM

    I’m willing to bet the Eagles didn’t leak that they would have drafted Wilson or taken Kaepernick because hindsight doesn’t solve quarterback issues, and those rumors didn’t make much sense anyway. To make statements about the insecurity on the organization based on rumors from anonymous sources is unprofessional.

    I do think there is some level of BS in the “we saw what others didn’t see in him” because if they thought he would have been this good, they’d have spent a first round pick on him

  7. packeranddarien says: Dec 7, 2013 2:15 PM

    Fine. So why did they nearly trade for Kaepernick? And why did they covet Wilson? And why did someone (possibly with the Eagles) leak that in September?

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    And why do members of the “media” always have an agenda?

    (possibly)

    Maybe because their hand picked media darling (coughGRIFFINcough) is shown to be anything but and they have to create a story when there isn’t one?

    Nah.

  8. bleedgreen1988 says: Dec 7, 2013 2:16 PM

    This is what howie does. Andy gave him all this credit after they drafted a 26 yearold offensive lineman with a first-round pick. Howie never said anything to dispute this. Yet, after Andy left, he claimed he was only a big part of the 2012 draft and suddenly disputed Andy’s comments, even though andy was only saying it to give him credit after the pick was made. Howie will only take responsibility for the picks that are proven to be steals.

  9. thestrategyexpert says: Dec 7, 2013 2:21 PM

    The tune goes like this:

    “All touchdowns with no interception makes Chip a hit sensation.”

  10. flavordave says: Dec 7, 2013 2:30 PM

    the Redskins 3 superbowls are starting to look as old as our 1960 world championship trophy. but what really gets me a buzzIng in the morning is the thought of Chip Kellys intricate offensive scheme with his 11 headed offensive monster Machine Tour 2013 cranking at full speed. Man I love it! Hail Eagles!!!!

  11. randomguy9999 says: Dec 7, 2013 2:43 PM

    and for the Millionth time: it is proven that you never…. ever…. ever pick a scrambling QB like Vick as your starter. If they are now, or were ever a scrambler, they never work out. They get injured too often, they lack maturity, they don’t fully develop as pocket passers, they want to do it all themselves.

    Oh, and Redskins: you should pay attention to the Philly / Atlanta / Vick example….. or really, you should have paid attentions before you gave up all those picks…

  12. detectivejimmymcnulty says: Dec 7, 2013 2:44 PM

    bn2n2me says:
    Dec 7, 2013 2:08 PM

    Yall sound dumb as hell. Foles is a lame, never has and never would beat out Vick, or Kaep or Wilson. He’s a product of environment, and play calls but Im in NO ways impressed.

    Uh, who sounds dumb as hell? All QBs are a product of their environment (both good or bad).

  13. janvanflac says: Dec 7, 2013 2:44 PM

    This is why you never know how someone is going to play in the NFL until they do. Helps that he’s had the same 5 O-lineman (and good ones at that) all year. But they liked him when they drafted him too…

  14. wishingtonredslur says: Dec 7, 2013 2:56 PM

    I’m always a fan of players and people who shine brighter than their supposed to (be allowed to) Cruz, Foles etc etc so good on him.

  15. abninf says: Dec 7, 2013 2:56 PM

    It’s not like Foles has played against any contenders yet. Except for Dallas and they knocked him out of the game in an Eagle’s loss.

  16. wishingtonredslur says: Dec 7, 2013 2:57 PM

    Especially if they’re not junkies.

  17. cglacius says: Dec 7, 2013 3:01 PM

    Good for the eagles, but once the dust settles and they play >.500 teams again, then they will go back to the 8-8 or 7-9 team, they really are……..Foles is a younger version of Kevin Kolb/Jay Feely(accurate, immoble, moderate arm strenghth at best, and most of all—-can’t produce against 4-5man pass rush)

  18. dallascowboysdishingthereal says: Dec 7, 2013 3:19 PM

    Cowboys own Foles. Hope is the eagles QB for years to come.

  19. brento1499 says: Dec 7, 2013 3:23 PM

    Meanwhile, Kelly is the guy who picked Mike Vick over Nick Foles prior to Week One. Based on Foles’ performance, that could be the strangest decision of them all.

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    To be fair, Vick clearly outplayed Foles by leaps and bounds in the preseason

  20. sidepull says: Dec 7, 2013 3:24 PM

    Here we go again, eagirls flapping their little wings, sqwacking in the coop. mad5555 fell off the map last year after the girls tanked. Not a peep. Now hes all puffed up again. That trophy case is getting no superbowl again this year so enjoy the ride while it lasts. Foles is doomed for mediocrity and failure. Lets see what you all have to say then. It will be more of the same old same old lines just like every year. Fail.

  21. corkspop says: Dec 7, 2013 3:26 PM

    I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again. Foles showed flashes of strong QB talent right from the beginning. The right coach and the right system were necessary to bring consistency and highlight the talents. Foles should be a starter in the NFL for years to come. I’d feel pretty good with him as the starter and Vick backing him up. And no, I’m not an Eagles fan.

  22. rugdaniels says: Dec 7, 2013 3:32 PM

    Let’s play the next 4 weeks out before declaring Foles a franchise QB. QB rating is just a number if you can’t win when it counts. You’d think Eagles fans would learn not to go overboard w. young players by now. I guess its the only thing they have to cling to.

  23. eagles512 says: Dec 7, 2013 3:49 PM

    Anyone would have started Vick after his preseason which was great. And Foles was not-still seemed to be adjusting.

  24. channer81 says: Dec 7, 2013 3:53 PM

    Racistskins got bob for three 1st rd picks and a 2nd. The Eagles got Nick “ZERO INTs” Foles for a 3rd rd pick.
    Who got the better QB?

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    Eagle fans proving to be pretty ignorant right now, seems they aren’t learning from watching what Wash. is going through they can easily go through the same next season. Not to mention the case where the QB will get too much praise when things are going right and too much blame when they stink.

    Watching Philly this year their O-line is getting little credit for giving Foles TONS of time in the pocket compared to last season where Nick looked nothing like an NFL QB. Their line is healthy, they added guys and are doing a fantastic job.

    Wash. brought in RG3 their offense became part of this evolutionary change in the way NFL offenses ran, one off season later defenses have adjusted. What makes you think they won’t against what Philly is doing?

  25. deuce656 says: Dec 7, 2013 3:53 PM

    logicalvoicesays says:
    Dec 7, 2013 1:32 PM
    Zero Superbowls. #Wehave3

    13 126
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    Yes, you do have 3! 3 wins!!! LOL

  26. vusnu says: Dec 7, 2013 3:55 PM

    Foles is a second year QB. It was to his benefit that he came in as a relief picture to an injured Michael Vick. Had Foles started on opening day, he would have had to endured a very green defense with growing pains, not to mention a fractured locker room.

    Don’t assume Foles would have enjoyed the same success he’s had over the past few weeks had he been the starter on opening day.

  27. darkneptune73 says: Dec 7, 2013 4:16 PM

    Nick Foles, Superbowl MVP?

  28. icdogg says: Dec 7, 2013 4:17 PM

    Kaepernick, Wilson were both good options to be going after. I don’t see what the problem is. They liked Foles and they drafted him, not having obtained either of those other guys. Foles was never a sure thing, in fact even with all he’s done so far he still has a lot to prove.

    Vick certainly looked like the better QB in preseason. But Foles looked good too. The problem with preseason is it doesn’t tell you enough because the situations are not realistic enough. In the real games, Foles has proven his merit and earned the trust of the coach and his teammates.

    I don’t think starting Foles at the start of the year would have been the right thing to do, nor would it have won the Eagles any more games. If they did not want Vick to start the season they should not have brought him back at all, and once the coach has a QB battle in preseason the coach needs to respect the outcome, otherwise the players will not trust the coach.

  29. lingsun54 says: Dec 7, 2013 4:20 PM

    Foles is #3 in QBR on ESPN’s site and #1 in passer rating. He’s the real deal. 19 TD’s & 0 Picks. He’s already better than Matthew Stafford, for instance.

  30. steves11 says: Dec 7, 2013 4:31 PM

    The story will change as soon as Foles has another stinker of a game like he had against Dallas….and you can be sure that he will have another one…and another…and another. He may have some great games in between the bad ones, but Foles is NOT the next coming of Peyton Manning, Tom Brady or Drew Brees. He’s a serviceable NFL quarterback who can win some games for a decent team. But he’s not and never will be a Superstar.

  31. 25cuts says: Dec 7, 2013 4:33 PM

    channer81. Teams adjust every year. The difference is that foles can be a true pocket passer. Rg knee apparently needs the gimmick offense. The shanahans are fools, they should have given the kid a chance to throw from the pocket instead they gave him the green light to run and get destroyed. Well worth all those picks hahaha

  32. dangerouslyabsent says: Dec 7, 2013 4:50 PM

    It’s certain that illogical wasn’t even born when the slurs last won the SuperBowl.

  33. mancave001 says: Dec 7, 2013 5:04 PM

    bn2n2me says:
    Dec 7, 2013 2:08 PM
    Yall sound dumb as hell. Foles is a lame, never has and never would beat out Vick, or Kaep or Wilson. He’s a product of environment, and play calls but Im in NO ways impressed.
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    Then we’re not the ones who sound dumb. What does the guy have to do? His passer rating is ridiculous. He may set the the TD to INT record this week. He’s picked up first downs with his legs. He’s super accurate. He makes quick decisions. He’s as cool as ice in the pocket. He’s got a strong enough arm. He’s 6’5″ tall. No one is saying he’s Tom Brady 2.0 or the next Joe Montana. But he’s playing REALLY well.

  34. greymares says: Dec 7, 2013 5:21 PM

    Reid wanted Wilson, Roseman was in the camp of “Nicky Montana”

  35. birdsfan20 says: Dec 7, 2013 5:31 PM

    @logicalvoicesays #YouAlsoHaveThreeWins #HTTE

  36. 1ogica1voicesays says: Dec 7, 2013 5:59 PM

    Best quarter backs in order of appearance
    1) RG3- so good looking
    2) Rodgers-who could deny that guy
    3 Brady-duh!
    4) Eli- some people may disagree with me on this one.
    5) Foles-the way he plays the game makes him cute. I mean he’s perfect right now

  37. 1ogica1voicesays says: Dec 7, 2013 6:37 PM

    bn2n2me says:
    Dec 7, 2013 2:08 PM
    Yall sound dumb as hell. Foles is a lame, never has and never would beat out Vick, or Kaep or Wilson. He’s a product of environment, and play calls but Im in NO ways impressed.

    Correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t he already beat out Vick? Thoroughly, if I recall. And I’m pretty sure he beating out Kaep at the moment pretty thoroughly too. But hey man pass me whatever your smoking. Next your gonna say he can’t beat out Geno Smith

  38. psunick says: Dec 7, 2013 7:49 PM

    Why is it that QBs that rack up wins but have average stats are praised, while baseball pitchers who rack up wins with average stats are given a shrug of the shoulders?

  39. coltsreign says: Dec 7, 2013 9:01 PM

    I believe Nick Foles is the man who is the answer to Philadelphia’s QB issues. All he needs is an improved defensr and he will be in talks of Elite, MVP, Pro Bowl, and First round bye.
    Give him a few more years though.

  40. coltsreign says: Dec 7, 2013 9:03 PM

    P.S.
    Vick is done. What evers left of his contract should be given to foles and all those young guys who contributed

  41. coltsreign says: Dec 7, 2013 9:33 PM

    Randomguy999999
    Has a point. These guys cant play football with running.
    Scramblers get scrambled

  42. hbegley6672 says: Dec 7, 2013 10:17 PM

    Um. Yeah, but… The dog murderer did actually outplay Foles in the preseason… So! There’s that STORY! It’s a story… Now everyone is cool because they can say narrative

  43. larrydavid7000 says: Dec 7, 2013 11:33 PM

    The beagels are a JOKE next year will be nothing at all. Redskins are down this year but WILL rise again in 2014.

  44. stoneblue0000 says: Dec 8, 2013 8:30 AM

    NICKY SIX!

  45. alaricsrevenge says: Dec 9, 2013 10:22 AM

    larrydavid7000 says: Dec 7, 2013 11:33 PM

    The beagels are a JOKE next year will be nothing at all. Redskins are down this year but WILL rise again in 2014.

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    Of course you’ll rise. Being in the bottom of the division means there’s nowhere to go but up.

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