Patriots score 13 points in 30 seconds, grab comeback win

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For the better part of 59 minutes, Sunday was not a good day for the New England Patriots. Things wound up brightening up a lot at the very end, however.

Julian Edelman held onto a two-yard touchdown catch from Tom Brady despite a hit by Jordan Poyer that was flagged for unnecessary roughness with 1:01 left to play, Kyle Arrington recovered an onside kick and then Leon McFadden was flagged for pass interference in the end zone with 40 seconds left to play. It was a weak call by the officials, although New Englanders may think it just penance for the flag that was picked up in their loss to Carolina.

The Pats got the ball on the one and Brady hit Danny Amendola for a touchdown on the next play. They couldn’t get a two-point conversion, making the score 27-26 in a game the Patriots once trailed 19-3. It wasn’t over yet, as the Browns drove the ball into position for a 58-yard field goal with a second to play but Billy Cundiff was short and the Pats held on.

Brady finished the day 32-of-52 for 418 yards, two touchdowns and an interception on a day that went from a horrible start to a worse middle before the happy ending.

Tight end Rob Gronkowski, who missed the first six games of the season, had to be carted off the field after taking a shot to the knee from Browns safety T.J. Ward and initial reports about the severity of the injury suggest that they’ll end the season the same way they started it. Shane Vereen will likely be part of the plan for life without Gronkowski after catching 12 passes for 153 yards on Sunday afternoon, but it’s hard to overstate the magnitude of the tight end’s loss.

The comeback will overshadow another monster day for Browns wide receiver Josh Gordon. Gordon caught an 80-yard touchdown and had a 19-yard catch and a 34-yard run in the fourth quarter to set up another touchdown. Gordon had seven catches for 151 yards, breaking his string of 200-yard outings but setting a new Browns franchise record for single-season receiving yards.

That wasn’t enough to overcome another Tom Brady comeback, although there will still be plenty of people lamenting a loss in Patriots country on Sunday night.

227 responses to “Patriots score 13 points in 30 seconds, grab comeback win

  1. That was an exciting ending, but speaking as a Pats fan, they won one they really didn’t deserve.

    I’m happy with it, but can’t say I’d be proud of it if I’m on that team.

  2. Should read “given come back win by refs”. First the PI call in the endzone and then a no call on hit to the neck area of a defenseless receiver on the Browns’s last completed pass.

  3. I don’t know which was worse, watching the Browns snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, or the fact that it took one of the worst PI calls I have ever seen to do it.

    One thing for sure, I don’t EVER want to hear any Pats fans complain about what happened in Carolina ever again. That call today more than made up for it.

  4. That PI to decide the game was ridiculous. Hopefully all the Pats fans can stop complaining about the officiating. The refs have got the memo and they’re back to their normal pro-Pats form.

  5. The Browns GOT SCREWED.

    I never wish injury on anyone… but… when the NFL steals from a struggling franchise to give to the franchise with the golden smile…. it is like Wall Street stealing from the American citizens.

    TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE CALL.

  6. And the refs give the Pats the game again.

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    “Again?”

    The Pats have lost a few games this season on bad calls by the refs. Shove it.

  7. Wow, this was a great game to watch. I’m bummed the Browns couldn’t pull off the upset. I love what Josh Gordon brings to the offense. Hopefully they can get a QB in the draft. That looked like a brutal hit on Gronkowski– I hope it’s not a serious injury.

  8. As a Patriots fan as insane as this comeback was and as unbelievably clutch Brady is really means nothing anymore. If Gronk is out the Patriots can’t win in the playoffs. There’s no disputing it. With the defense now resembling the 2011 unit they can’t even stop Jason Campbell. They can’t carry this team anymore.

    At this point every other win is a bonus. The Patriots can’t keep this up. It’s a shame too. If they could have stayed reasonably healthy and only lost a few guys they really would be tough to beat. They’re so mentally tough it’s almost impossible to knock them out.

  9. I didn’t see that PI call and only saw tweets from Browns fans saying it was a bad call. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was yet the media won’t mention that since hey, it went in favor of the Pats.

    Good job by the Browns to blow what should have been an easy win just like how the Vikes blew that game at the end. This league truly is pathetic.

    Naturally the media will go and hype up Teflon Tom and the Pats instead of saying the Browns collapsed. Good to know Tommy got that onside kick and then got the PI penalty. He is so amazing he can do all that stuff.

  10. In winning the battle we may have lost the war. I fear Gronk is done for the season. Browns played tall. And the PI call is what it is – we had several calls that went the Browns way that shouldn’t have.

  11. Dont forget the “defenseless” receive penalty on the Browns. Another bad call.
    There were several bad calls today, the worst of which went in favor of the Pats and were key to getting them points

  12. I don’t know how Brady does it. I saw this game on the ticker and was thinking, wow, Cleveland beat New England by a bunch…

    It helps when the officials make putrid PI calls in the end zone that give Brady and the Pats the ball on the 1 yard line.

  13. What unnecessary roughness?

    Also there wasn’t a Cleveland player near the onside kick and there was no pass interference.

    3 blown calls in less than a minute?

    I guess the NFL told the refs that lowly Cleveland couldn’t be allowed to win against the almighty Patriots.

  14. Don’t forget about the bs helmet to helmet contact call which was clearly all shoulder on shoulder. Ridiculous.

  15. Wow, the ultimate in make up calls by the nfl. I want to see what that letter to Kraft said a couple weeks ago. ” Uh, sorry bout that non pi call Bob, we’ll make it up soon”

  16. Man I am not a browns fans but that game was fixed……the NFL and the refs has become such a joke under Goodell…Not sure which call was worse…the hit from a shoulder pad called unnecessary roughness on a defenseless receiver, or the phantom pass interference….if this happens in the playoffs it will be a pity.

    They owners need to find a new commissioner.

  17. That was an exciting ending, but speaking as a Pats fan, they won one they really didn’t deserve.

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    Oh look, another Pats fan apologizing for their team. The Pats have had tons of calls go against them this year, and this game as well. Amendola got laid out on one play and there was no PI call on that.

    They scored a TD, recovered the onside kick, and forced the Browns into a 59 yard field goal. Stop trying to be friends with the haters.

  18. I hate to see the Browns get screwed out of a game that they really showed up to play, as big under dogs, and played well enough to win.

    Two huge calls really hurt them. Obviously the PI. And the hit on a defenseless receiver on their second to last TD. He hit him with his shoulder in the air. How is that a penalty? And the worst part is, on both plays, the ref was RIGHT THERE!

    These refs need to be fined or penalized some how for these calls. They happen far too often.

  19. The penalty was also bad, that was not pass interference and the Patriots got a gift but that didn’t decide the game. There was still over thirty seconds left and does anybody really think Brady wouldn’t have found a way to score? I’ve never seen a quarterback come through in the clutch consistently like him. It’s absolutely incredible.

  20. If that’s pass interference, then PI happens to every wr on every play that they run a route. They got screwed. And I have no dog in this; I’m a Bears fan. Horrible call.

  21. logicalvoicesays says: Dec 8, 2013 4:47 PM

    Here’s how many Superbowls the Patriots* have won since Spygate :
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    Yeah, those two SB appearances and two additional Conference championship appearances since then clearly indicate they suck. Grow up man. I’m an Eagles fan, and the Pats beat my team the one time we actually made it to the SB in recent memory…and I’m saying it’s time to move the heck on. Oh, well. I guess a troll has to troll.

  22. Another joke in that home of jokes.
    I wonder how much more the refs make when the go there.
    Pathetic.

  23. I hope Tommy and Billy get the ref’s some great presents this Christmas to return theirs today!

    Browns were totally ripped off!!!!

  24. Absolutely disgusted by the way that game ended. Seems everyone here agrees. The Browns were robbed. The onside kick was legit, but the conduct penalty and the interference calls were gifts from the zebras. I hate being one to complain, but I don’t think I am in the wrong here.

  25. Referees in this league are just getting worse and worse. I have never seen a worse pass interference call in my life and not only that but it was at a crucial point.

  26. LOL yeah that Pats most definitely got away with one today. But do you remember Week 11 in Carolina?

    Or how about Week 7 in New York?

    Its about time a horrid call went our way.

  27. I dunno, I’m a Steeler fan and am supposed to bask in the misery of the much-hated Browns, but I was kinda hoping they would pull off the upset (because hey, lets be honest, I despise the Patriots a LOT more than the Browns at this point in my life).

    This team really is cursed though. I’ve heard enough about the calls and non-calls that I probably will avoid watching the game.

    Browns fans, see you in the early parts of the 2014 draft*

    * laughing on the outside, crying on the inside

  28. Loss of Gronk will be big if its as bad as some think. However, I dont see it being a killer for the Pats. Look at the competition in the AFC. They won games early on without Gronk. They manage to always come back into games if they’re down, help of the refs or not.

    This season, even without Gronk, the Pats can get to the Super Bowl. Just who is their big competition?
    A Broncos team that doesnt play well in winter weather? A Bengals team that is not consistent and has big injuries on Defense? They can beat both of those teams, especially at home. Im anti-Pats and will be shocked if they dont get to the Super Bowl this year, a year of mediocrity in the NFL.

  29. yea the refs gave us that call lol. but the browns had another chance and they blew it. HOW BOUT THEM PATRIOTS

  30. Browns ROBBED by the refs. Horribly called pass interference to give the go ahead TD for the pats.

    Who else is sick of the biased calls for golden boy Brady and media darling Patriots?

    The Bengals were robbed of the #2 seeding. Thanks refs

  31. Whether its the NFL, the Refs, or the Mafia itself they just cannot afford to let the Pats lose & God Forbid their not in the playoffs its a tradgedy to their ratings, they help this team EVERY week, I hope Brady Aknowleges the refs when he gives his HOF speech

  32. Note to nfl teams, when the pats are down, the refs will do all they can to help them comeback. 13 points in 30 seconds? Yeah browns had no chance against the refs and patriots

  33. Refs gave one to the pats, huh? As if he wasn’t interfered with at all, it maybe wasn’t a huge interference but still one that can alter a play. Should it have been called? Hmm that 3rd n 17 reception by Gordon that was reviewed and stood as a catch shouldn’t have been called. That’s a 4th, browns punt and they would’ve never gotten that TD to Cameron. Pats drive next and Vereen was CLEARLY HELD but yet it wasn’t called. Cut the crap,’more bad calls went against the Pats today.

  34. The level of officiating throughout the league recently has been awful. I usually give the refs the benefit of the doubt since reffing a game that moves with rules that make calls subjective is tough, but recently there’s been so many calls that can’t be defended. There were multiple phantom calls in the Lions v Eagles game were even after multiple replays/angles no foul could be seen whatsoever. Bad call in the Indy vs Cin game at the end of the half. Bad call in this game.

  35. fatsolio says: Dec 8, 2013 4:52 PM

    I didn’t see that PI call and only saw tweets from Browns fans saying it was a bad call. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was yet the media won’t mention that since hey, it went in favor of the Pats.
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    There are a lot of complaints that can be readily made about the media, but before adding one please know what you’re talking about. Pretty much every sports analyst or anchor I follow on twitter (not a small number) all said how horrible that PI call was. If you want to attack the media make it count. Uninformed attacks like this just undermine the legitimate ones.

  36. The reffing in this game was absolutely atrocious and it went against both teams. The Pats should have had a defensive TD early were it not for the refs blowing the whistle early.

  37. “It was not a very strong call by the officials, although New Englanders may think it just penance for the flag that was picked up in Carolina.”

    That is a stupid statement.

    A bad call is a bad call. There are way too many bad calls. And bad calls are ruining NFL football.

    The Patriots were not deserving of that win, period.

  38. Disclaimer: I live in Cleveland. Everytime I see Boger’s crew, I wonder how much they can screw the game up. Once again, their calls led to the outcome of the game.

  39. I’m a Patriots fan and even I have to admit there were a string of very questionable, Patriots friendly calls even before the more critical ones (the intentional grounding that lead to a 3 and 17 prior to a Brown’s amazing first down among them)

    No doubt the Patriots have been on the opposite end of a great many bad calls that have lead to losses as well.

    Ultimately the Browns played a great game for 59:30 and have to accept responsibility for not holding firm in the final moments – but they and their fans have every right to complain.

    The win is bittersweet for the Patriots anyways – their chances of winning the Super Bowl just dropped dramatically without Gronk

  40. Anyone else surprised that Brady was not shown running down the officials and shaking hands and thank them this week. Few weeks ago he had no problem under the protection of Gödel rule of free speech when he was all over the officials.

  41. Fixed league. Just like the Phil-det game. Lions got jobbed hard in the second half. Goodells rules make it easier for these book maker owners to get their concussion suit money back. Yay!

  42. jimr10 says:
    Dec 8, 2013 4:57 PM
    Officiating is causing way too many games to be decided by them. Is boger on krafts payroll?

    same boger who called the push on FG vs the jets ?

  43. I believe the officials wanted the Pats to win and found a way to “give” them the game. Kraft is an influential owner … buddies with Goodell … I mean its a game that the Pats were expected to win. Someone needs to give the Browns an apology ,,,,,,, a joke.

  44. Browns got hosed on the PI call but all they had to do was field the (onside) kickoff and they win! You just can’t give Marsha Brady extra chances.

  45. As a bills fan, I can feel the pain of a close loss that browns fans are feeling right now. I’m always rooting for the browns because I know how it is to be an underdog. With that being said, Tom Brady is a great qb, and also one of the most if not the most clutch qb in NFL history.

  46. Browns can’t do anything right. Pats were gifted a win, and the bengals are coming for that 2 seed. WHO DEY!!!

  47. In winning the battle we may have lost the war. I fear Gronk is done for the season. Browns played tall. And the PI call is what it is – we had several calls that went the Browns way that shouldn’t have.
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    Did those calls directly affect the outcome of the game? No, they didn’t. The refs are back on the Pats payroll.

  48. Sorry about the accidental reporting comment.
    Anyhow i think the refs love the patriots. Look just give them the 1 seed.
    Its over we get it. The league wants us to love americas team.

  49. Bring back the replacement refs. And fast. Whatever the refs won at the bargaining table last year was too much. The media was harping about the “integrity of the game” being harmed with replacement refs. Care to rehash that argument, now,? (And not just b/c the result of this game, either)

  50. I don’t know which is more satisfying. A thrilling, improbable come from behind win led by the heroic TBrady; or the fact that it upsets the haters so much that they immediately come out to whine about the refs or the fact they think Brady is overrated. I’ll call it even.

  51. It was 19-3 at one point… the Browns allowed this to become a game again. You can whine about the PI all you want, but this game wasn’t decided one one play.

  52. fatsolio says: Dec 8, 2013 4:52 PM

    I didn’t see that PI call and only saw tweets from Browns fans saying it was a bad call. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was yet the media won’t mention that since hey, it went in favor of the Pats.

    Good job by the Browns to blow what should have been an easy win just like how the Vikes blew that game at the end. This league truly is pathetic.

    Naturally the media will go and hype up Teflon Tom and the Pats instead of saying the Browns collapsed. Good to know Tommy got that onside kick and then got the PI penalty. He is so amazing he can do all that stuff.

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    Why are you so angry? Brady was the first QB to throw for over 300 yards against the Browns, and ended up with 418 total. He played a good game.

    PI call was bad but Patriots still had 40ish seconds and only 30 yards to go. The way Brady has played in the 4th of late, I’d guess they would have scored regardless.

  53. Mr. Ward I’ll pray everyday for your life to be a miserable, painful one. It will match what you did, clapping in celabration while Rob is screaming in pain lying on the field.

  54. Josh Gordon has 774 receiving yards in the last 4 games and the Browns are 0-4 in those games. How is that even possible?! Only in Cleveland.

  55. Cleveland was impressive for 59 minutes. Campbell, Kruger, Cameron, and especially Gordon played outstanding. I do find it interesting that the usual Patriot haters showed up to bash the Patriots, blame the refs, and give the Patriots no credit. Win or lose, the Patriots keep playing hard and keep putting pressure on the other team. Down 12 points with less than three minutes to go the Patriots kept trying. Edelmann and Brady came up big to get a quick score. Gostkowski kicked a perfect onside kick and the special teams unit recovered the ball to keep hope alive. The Pats moved the ball and Boyce got behind the defense and the defender reached out to pull back Boyce’s left arm in the end zone. The Pats got the call but even if they didn’t they still had over a minute to win the game. Gut wrenching for both teams but only losers watch a game like that and don’t appreciate both teams.

  56. Seriously I know all of you hate the Patriots with every fiber of your being but you have nothing to worry about. Gronk probably tore his ACL and the Patriots are as done as he is this season.

    They won’t beat anybody of consequence without Gronk. They won’t win the Super Bowl and they probably won’t win a playoff game. Again Patriots haters have nothing to worry about.

  57. Holy cow! Cleveland should’ve won this game, hands down. The NFL has a woody for the Patriots, because those two calls at the end of the game were bogus! If I’m the Pats, I’d be concerned that with the near losses to the Texans (2-10), and the Browns (4-9).

  58. jhorton83 says:
    Josh Gordon has 774 receiving yards in the last 4 games and the Browns are 0-4 in those games. How is that even possible?! Only in Cleveland.
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    Wow, how ignorant. Ward didn’t cheer the injury. Did you notice him shake Gronk’s hand like ‘sorry that happened brother’? Spew your venom at the NFL who forces DBs to hit like that.

  59. “Officiating is causing way too many games to be decided by them. Is boger on krafts payroll?”

    Yup. Kraft told Boger to call Chris Jones for that pushing penalty that cost the Patriots the game against the Jets. He also ordered Boger to not call the same penalty on the Jets when they did it earlier.

    Is this a demonstration of the average intelligence of a Patriots hater? Or does blind hatred cloud objectivity?

  60. justintuckrule says:
    Dec 8, 2013 5:05 PM
    Fixed league. Just like the Phil-det game. Lions got jobbed hard in the second half.

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    Lions got jobbed? Maybe they should just learn how to tackle and hang onto the ball. McCoy made them look silly, and if they didn’t fumble every other snap in the first half they might have had some more points. Can’t blame that loss on the refs.

  61. I hate to blame refs and I definitely don’t believe games are fixed but those were some awful calls, mostly at the end but some bad ones even before that. I think the entire yardage of the last Pats drive was given to them on 2 phantom calls. Other than handle the onside kick better, there was nothing the Browns could do to keep the refs from scoring on that last drive.

    I’ve seen the Browns lose in every conceivable way for 30 years and I can’t ever remember being this angry after a game.

  62. The Browns received four bad calls right at the end of the game.

    1. Catch by Edelman..he was juggling it when he landed out of bounds.
    2. The PF call on that catch was bogus.
    3. They missed off sides on the on side kick
    4. PI call….not even close to PI.

    The refs were going to insure the Pats had every opportunity to win the game.

    Another week of horrible officiating and not just this game. Something needs to be done.

    For those that don’t know or refuse to believe it, the NFL can legally fix outcomes of games. It is only illegal to fix the outcome if you are gambling. NFL is considered entertainment just like WWE.

  63. This kind of sham victory gift by the NFL to their big market, highly marketed team at the expense on a struggling, hard nosed small market team is what makes people turn to soccer.

    TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE, TERRIBLE CALL.

  64. Boger had double digit mistakes last year. He should have been ineligible for a playoff assignment but the commissioner wanted him to referee the superbowl so every mistake was overturned on appeal.

  65. yes the patriots got a gift….but everyone know forgets how screwed they got against the panthers and jets. calls just evened out. the real issue is how awful the nfl officiating has become.

  66. Oh… you don’t like how a Jerome Boger officiating crew interjects in the final minutes of a game??

    I CAN’T IMAGINE HOW THAT FEELS? Sorry Pats Haters but “it’s in the rules” and maybe you should “stop crying and get over it.”

  67. Today is an example of why I don’t complain about bad calls that go against my team. When the Carolina flag got picked up, it definitely felt wrong – but I knew that someone else would be screwed down the road by the referees later, so yea…

    That’s why I don’t complain.

  68. I bet old BB is glad Cleveland couldn’t challenge that gift PI call the refs gave the patriots lol.

  69. To Browns fans:

    Today was a loss. Thanks for the low tackle and blown out knee. As for you losing the game, you aren’t getting my sympathy.

    On the bright side, you have three games left and host of other players you can cripple.

  70. Patriots win! Patriots win! LOL! (So sorry envious, petty Patriot-hating trolls. You can crawl back under your rocks.)

  71. Pats fan here, seems too many games this year have come down to a controversial call. Some for the Pats and some against. The quality of the officiating is terrible. That said, a W is a W.

  72. If the league kept track of questionable calls, I would bet that over a course of the season, the calls for, and against any team would average out.

  73. You’re bad at what you do Florio – and I’m talking to you directly becuase I know you’ll pull this post immediately. Look at every post – Pats fan or Browns -and they’re all the same – but you don’t have the integrity to call it out. Big pats comeback. Your site and NBC should be ashamed of themselves. You’re a fan site – of the stealers – not a nes site. You’re terrible.

  74. The browns played well and Gordon is incredible. They had the chance to win this game handily but they let the pats score quickly. As for the whiners complaining about the refs favoring the pats…. C’mom guys… Do we fans really know what these clowns can come up with? The pats are in the same footing as any other teams as far as the refs are concerned. Don’t blame the pats. The refs this year are gods toying with teams and their fans. The pats chances look bleak with gronk probably out for the season. I can’t picture any team going to the sb given the same situation the pats are in right now. I don’t know how they do it….

  75. sschmiggles says:
    Dec 8, 2013 4:54 PM

    Oh look, another Pats fan apologizing for their team. The Pats have had tons of calls go against them this year, and this game as well. Amendola got laid out on one play and there was no PI call on that.

    They scored a TD, recovered the onside kick, and forced the Browns into a 59 yard field goal. Stop trying to be friends with the haters.

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    Well said!

  76. On a side note I’m sure every team that showed interest in Josh Gordon right before the trade deadline when he was reportedly on the market is kicking themselves now. He’s been tremendous this season, producing with whoever has been under center.

  77. TJ Ward with an illegal/dirty hit on the Gronk. He should be suspended for as long as Gronk is out. That was a disgraceful hit to the knee. A deliberate attempt to injure the Gronk. Browns got what they deserved at the end.

  78. To Browns fans:

    Today was a loss. Thanks for the low tackle and blown out knee. As for you losing the game, you aren’t getting my sympathy.

    On the bright side, you have three games left and host of other players you can cripple.

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    You should direct your rage at the NFL’s high tackle rules that make low hits the ONLY way to legally make a tackle and how about the cheap shot that may have ended Hoyer’s career?

  79. bostonian13says:

    Refs gave one to the pats, huh? As if he wasn’t interfered with at all, it maybe wasn’t a huge interference but still one that can alter a play. Should it have been called? Hmm that 3rd n 17 reception by Gordon that was reviewed and stood as a catch shouldn’t have been called. That’s a 4th, browns punt and they would’ve never gotten that TD to Cameron. Pats drive next and Vereen was CLEARLY HELD but yet it wasn’t called. Cut the crap,’more bad calls went against the Pats today.

    Wait, the PATS were the ones who got screwed by the officiating? Which game did you watch?

    Why can’t you just admit your team got lucky today?
    It’s fans like you that make it hard for people to root for the Pats.

  80. I have no interest who won this game.

    I do find it funny though how every bad call these days is played up as some sort of conspiracy. Every game I watched today had questionable, often phantom, calls. That’s just the way football is. When a bad call benefits a team you don’t like, its not some grand conspiracy.

    Also, if there was some conspiracy to help the Patriots the refs wouldn’t have picked up that flag at the end of regulation a few weeks ago. It takes some common sense to put 2 and 2 together though, so its no wonder a lot of people on here can’t seem to do it.

  81. For all the Patriots haters (& Browns fans) complaining about the pass interference call, take a look at the forward progress fumble from the first quarter. Just as bad a call. Had that not happened, the Patriots would have been going for a field goal for the win instead. Awful officiating. Ugly game. Last PI was one call of many that affected the game, but to say it gave the Pats the win may be a little bit of an overstatement. Browns still had a chance in the end.

  82. Patriots fans might as well just leave this post. The trolls have emerged from their mother’s basements. And they only see things through their anti-Patriots lens.

    It doesn’t matter that Kuechly bear hugged Gronk in the end zone. Or that Boger called the Patriots for a penalty no one has ever heard of with the NFL admitting that he blew that same call by not calling the Jets for it.

    No, since the Browns got called for a penalty with over thirty seconds left that’s the proof that the NFL loves the Patriots and will do whatever it takes to make them win.

  83. Pats were going to score anyway, the PI just made it easier, and as it turns out with too much time left as Cleveland had a shot at the end. I am not going to say it was a good PI call, no, what I will say is that the Cleveland kid tugging at the shoulder pads makes it a tougher non-call.

    Pats have been screwed 2x this year, I am not shedding tears for anyone. I would rather have lost the game and kept Gronk healthy.

  84. Yeah, it was a questionable call… but you know what, the Browns had more than a few go their way. The fumble in the first half that wasn’t. Amendola getting mugged on that third down conversion forcing Pats to punt inside the 50. The defensive holding call against Talib. This is just off the top of my head. It probably should’ve been defensive holding, but it’s a moot point – after the recovery of that onside kick, the Pats were going to win that game. The Browns gave up two touchdowns in 2 minutes and complain about the refs… yeah… they were the reason you lost.

  85. patsfan13 says: “If the league kept track of questionable calls, I would bet that over a course of the season, the calls for, and against any team would average out.”

    I generally agree with you but after witnessing today’s game you need to give us Browns fans time for our meds to kick in before saying stuff like that. Browns haven’t been screwed this bad since the bottle throwing game.

  86. Yes it was a bad call, but not as bad as the announcer made it out to be.

    Also, every moron on this board remembers only the last bad call. No one remembers (mainly b/c non-Pats fans are idiots) the early whistle in the first quarter that took away a turnover and allowed the browns to kick a field goal. +3 points for Browns (+the loss of momentum that a turnover brings).

    There was also the catch that hit the ground by Josh Gordon on 3rd and 17 with under 6 minutes left that should have put Cleveland out of Field Goal range, but led to a TD and cost the Pats a timeout. +7 points for Browns.

    At the end of the day the Pats drove 82 yards in just over 1:30 and then recovered an onside kick. No doubt that call was huge, but the way the Pats were driving I think NE’s offence could still have won the game without it. If anything it left too much time on the clock for Cleveland (who blew their last timeout at the goal line, which would have been nice to have on their last drive).

    Go Pats and bring on the Thumbs Down!

  87. Mr. Goodell you owe the Browns a “PUBLIC APOLOGY”

    I will hold my breath, since you are an honorable man …….

    Make me believe in you and this league again !

  88. justintuckrule says: Dec 8, 2013 5:05 PM

    Fixed league. Just like the Phil-det game. Lions got jobbed hard in the second half. Goodells rules make it easier for these book maker owners to get their concussion suit money back. Yay!
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    Absolutely! It’s not like Detroit’s endless string of fumbles or their supposedly tough run defense’s complete inability to stop McCoy had anything to do with that loss. Sounds like someone is just a bit cranky because his Giants suck so hard. Btw, how’s that game against the Chargers going?

  89. The Pats have had plenty calls go against them as have most, if not all teams. But the intensity of the envy coming off some of these comments just because thr Pats appeared to have benefitted from one today (they also suffered some pretty crappy calls made against them earlier in the game) is the real stunner here.

  90. That was pass interference. The ball was in the air and if Boyce wasn’t pulled back that was likely a game winning TD catch.

    Yup.

    The tears of the Pats haters taste sweet and oh so delicious.

  91. I don’t give a darn about whatever happened at the end of that game blown call or not, the Pats chances of playing for a SB just dropped to slim and none. We lost Gronk before during the season and won because we had a defense. Now we lost our defense and you all know how our offense is the past two years in the playoffs without Gronk and no defense.

  92. @3taintedchampionships2biglosse/logicalvoice/pftpoet/6rings/steelersaregodsteam/etc: Weren’t you supposed to be marching somewhere? Oh wait…never mind.

  93. Cleveland had a 12 point lead with 2:30 to go, gave up a TD, gave up an onside kick, then gave up another TD, and it’s the refs fault? Uh, no…

    While on the subject of shady calls, what about that PI call that negated a game sealing interception by Joe Flacco today?

  94. So many emotions. On the PI, it was a bad call but it came on 1st down with a minute left. Based on momentum, the Pats probably score anyway. On Gronk, stinks beyond comprehension and probably eliminates our chances to win the Super Bowl, but the way the D looks without Wilfork and Mayo our chances were slim anyway. Hoping these wins have us as the team of destiny, because thats what we’ll need to have a chance at a ring.

  95. The Pats chances of playing for a SB just dropped to slim and none
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    Major loss for sure…but I am impressed by absolutely nobody in the AFC.

    The Pats with no Gronk have as good a shot to make it out of this conference as any other team. And in the SB…. any given Sunday.

    This team for the first time in years is playing hard all the way to the end. They never quit. They can never be counted out of a game. That is what special teams do. That is what championship teams do.

    We’ll see.

  96. Fans of all teams need to band together regarding this atrocity that has been the officiating in 2013. Fans need to stop defending bad calls just because they benefited their team that day or they dont want the impression that their team got help to win.

    The fact is this year has seen the worst officiating that the sport has ever faced. The officials are swinging games this year and its blatant to every fan. Absolutely nothing is being done about this! No accountability, no improvement, just silence.

    If your team benefitted from calls its ok to say “i think we still would have won today without the help of the refs, but there were some really bad calls today”.

  97. I am emailing everyone about this. The browns loss helps us come draft day but the officiating at the last four browns games has been atrocious. Look at the non call on Brady for intentional grounding then look at the call on Jason Campbell for intentional grounding. Those two calls told me the game is fixed. I am a long term season ticket holders for the Browns but I will never go to another professional football game again. I don’t care that the Browns lost. I do care that the Browns lost because of totally inept and unprofessional referees. And everyone from the top down to the average fan knows that these guys are not only bad, they are downright horrible. My youngest son’s girlfriend would make a better ref than what the NFL is putting on the field today…

  98. I know there are a ton of Patriot-haters out there… I get it…. but the problem is that it could have been any two teams out there today with those calls. The level of officiating in this league has dropped so much it makes me want to have the replacement officials back.

  99. That was pass interference. The ball was in the air and if Boyce wasn’t pulled back that was likely a game winning TD catch.

    Yup.

    The tears of the Pats haters taste sweet and oh so delicious.

    Nice try. It wasn’t pass interference.

    Also, I don’t think the tears you taste are nearly as good as your tears tasted after Eli beat the Pats in the Super Bowl for a second time.

  100. Honestly surprised at the number of people happy about the Gronk injury. Hate the Pats all you want, but rooting for injuries to good players in the NFL is ridiculous. If you’re one of those guys and are a fan of a team in contention, watch out. All it takes is one hit to the knee to your top player and your season is done. Be careful what you wish for.

  101. Nice try. It wasn’t pass interference.

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    Sadly, wishful thinking just doesn’t make it so. It was a textbook call, the guy was interferered with on his way to the end zone. You may argue that the ball should not have been spotted at the 1. But it was the correct call. I would have thrown the flag too.

    And the tears are very delicious. I eagerly await more to quench my thirst.

  102. The Rock says Cleveland is totally lame, how did this dump get the Hall of Fame? The Rock has to say aww shucks…cause Cleveland doesn’t rock, no it totally sucks…
    — The Rock

  103. Anybody remember the Jets game? Anybody remember the Panthers game??

    You’re right, the refs are horrible and are now deciding too many games! The Brown’s DB DID impede the WR’s progress to catch up AND held/knocked down an arm trying to catch the ball.

    There isn’t supposed to be ANY contact with the WR when the ball is in the air unless the DB is going FOR the ball!

  104. Call that goes against the Pats: LULZ KARMA SPIEGATE TUCKK ROOL. GREAT CALL!!111!1111! STOP WHIINING PATS*** FANS

    Call that goes in favor: League is obviously fixed. Kraft paid off the refs. Why does the league want to protect the golden boy? Sniff. How do they get away with cheating every year? I’m not watching the NFL anymore. Sob. Wah.

    Oh you silly Pats haters… so full of comedy gold…

  105. The Brown’s DB DID impede the WR’s progress to catch up AND held/knocked down an arm trying to catch the ball.

    There isn’t supposed to be ANY contact with the WR when the ball is in the air unless the DB is going FOR the ball!

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    ^

    So accurate… and so eloquent..

  106. What a tease huh Patriot Hater Nation? Just when you thought you were going to have a fun night at Pats fans expense then POW… reality sucker punched you right in your mouth.

    Oh well maybe next week huh? Good night suckers…..

  107. @brazzz01 says: Dec 8, 2013 7:00 PM

    Watch it again, unbiasedly, The receiver was reaching back making contact with the defender to create separation, the defender was not grabbing the receiver. Even the announcers were amazed by that phantom call…..

  108. Most forget the noncall in this game of Amendola getting mugged in the first half when the Pats were starting to move the ball… the bad calls go both ways… the ones we remember are the ones at the end.

  109. Watch it again, unbiasedly, The receiver was reaching back making contact with the defender to create separation, the defender was not grabbing the receiver. Even the announcers were amazed by that phantom call…..

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    I did watch it again and (again) I saw the defender yank the receiver at the 7 yard line and impeded his progress to the end zone. Ball was in the air.

    That is pass interference. A no doubter. Would have said the same thing even if it was a Patriots defender on a Browns receiver.

  110. Dec 8, 2013 7:29 PM
    Looks like another quick exit from the playoffs for New England.

    Yeah because they have a habit of that?

  111. The defender grabbed his left arm and then his shoulder to just impede him enough. Not a great call in that situation, but not the egregious miscarriage of justice some Browns fans make it out to be, although Periera tweeted it shouldn’t have been called and he usually tends to lean towards defending officials. A lot of bad calls in that game for one thing. The Pats may have scored anyway, they had plenty of downs and time, for another The Browns also could’ve recovered the onside kick. Most of the time, picking out one bad call, even at a crucial time, is the cry of the loser.

  112. So you did not see the receiver reaching back making contact to create separation?

    If you didn’t your either blinded by fanhood or just blind.

  113. The Browns played a damn good football game, with the exception of the last minute.

    No doubt, the Pats got the benefit of some questionable calls…..and the Browns got a way with a few themselves.

    But give credit where it’s due, Brady threw for 418 yards, at 36 years old, he’s getting a bit long in the tooth, but once again, he came up HUGE when he had to.

    The man is a fight-to-the-finish, pit bull competitor.

    And for all you Brady haters, he’s getting real close to a very small group of elite quarterbacks (just six) who have thrown for 50,000 yards.

    That along with 5 Super Bowl appearances and 3 wins, Brady has THE highest winning percentage of ALL quarterbacks, current and past…..not bad for a 6th round draft pick.

    Here’s another real stat……the New England Patriots have WON more football games in the last 12 years, regular season and playoffs, than ANY team in a 12 year period in the HISTORY of the NFL, going back to 1920.

    When it comes to results on game day, no duo has ever done it better…….Brady and Belichick have won more football games than any NFL quarterback and coach in the game’s history.

    That being said, I’d easily trade the win today to see Gronk make it to the playoffs in good health, he’s probably done for the season.

  114. That is pass interference. A no doubter. Would have said the same thing even if it was a Patriots defender on a Browns receiver.

    2 1 <<< judging by the thumbs down, clearly denial isn't just a river that runs through Egypt…

    In today's NFL, that is pass interference 10 times out of 10. It really is futile to dispute what is set-in-stone fact.

  115. I thought it was PI. There was a little bumping and jockeying for position on both counts. I think the (light) grab AND the fact that the CB did not turn his head to look at the football coming was what did him in, given that the ball was definitely catchable. If he would’ve turned his head, there would be no penalty.

    – Jets fan.

  116. Periera tweeted it shouldn’t have been called and he usually tends to lean towards defending official

    Based on his notes, Pereira had a problem with it because of the spot at the 1. That part is debatable. The fact it was a flag is not.

    Personally I think the spot should have been at the 7 where the tug on the receiver (clearly and unmistakeably) occurred. But it’s moot anyway because the Pats likely score.

  117. I would like to know why Josh Gordon wasn’t flagged 15 yards for his throat slash gesture… that gesture was outlawed by the NFL a while back…

  118. Only the Factory of Sadness can give up 13 points in 30 seconds to lose a game. They did it even worse against Chicago several years ago.

    The bad PI call doesn’t bother me. It makes up for all the time Kosar/Slaughter got the PI call back in the 80s. It was their go to play every weekend — throw the bomb; get the PI; get great field position; score a TD a few plays later.

  119. I would like to know why Josh Gordon wasn’t flagged 15 yards for his throat slash gesture… that gesture was outlawed by the NFL a while back…

    4 2 << Two ignorant Pats haters who don't know the rule.

    I already knew that all Pats haters are ignorant about the NFL, they didn't have to demonstrate it to me.

  120. Nobody commenting about the Browns failed two point conversion attempt in the 3rd Q? I couldn’t watch the game, but I disagree with the attempt at that point in the game. Make the PA
    T and it’s overtime instead of a loss. Browns coaches have to answer for that one.

  121. Browns going for two means they were playing to win. At this point in the season trying to win and almost winning is better than playing for a tie. A win or loss doesn’t affect their playoff chances.

  122. First of all……the PI penalty did NOT affect the outcome of the game. Unlike the Panthers non-call that decided the game, we still had time on the clock and a chance for a few more plays and which means the Browns had more opportunities to stop Brady..big difference. Secondly…I’m sure there were penalties on both sides that were questionable…you boys have got to stop crying and behave like men.

  123. To sumnomeaztim: What intentional grounding did Brady get away with? I watched the game and saw Brady get an intentional grounding penalty and Campbell get away an intentional grounding in the next series…so are you sure you got your facts straight?

  124. Cleveland was ROBBED! And for you Pat’s fans who point to the “pushing penalty” weeks ago, the fact is there is a rule on the books about this and the film CLEARLY shows the Pat’s player pushing his own team mate into the pile. No question about it. You can call the rule dumb but it IS a rule and it WAS violated.

    As for the picked up flag? No way was the receiver going to get to that ball so for all intents and purposes it was not catchable.

    As some have said here, any Pat’s fan or just a fan of the game ought to be embarrassed at this flagrant favoritism shown by the officials. If it wasn’t favoritism it was pure incompetence and either way people need to be fired.

  125. “Here’s another real stat……the New England Patriots have WON more football games in the last 12 years, regular season and playoffs, than ANY team in a 12 year period in the HISTORY of the NFL, going back to 1920.”

    Easy to win when you steal the other teams playbook, eh Pat’s fans? They got caught once but you can bet they had been doing it for years and years.

  126. The defender grabbed his left arm and then his shoulder to just impede him enough. Not a great call in that situation, but not the egregious miscarriage of justice some Browns fans make it out to be, although Periera tweeted it shouldn’t have been called and he usually tends to lean towards defending officials. A lot of bad calls in that game for one thing. The Pats may have scored anyway, they had plenty of downs and time, for another The Browns also could’ve recovered the onside kick. Most of the time, picking out one bad call, even at a crucial time, is the cry of the loser.

    If picking out one bad call is the cry of the loser, then there were a lot of Pats fans who were crying after the Carolina game.

  127. Here’s how many Superbowls the Patriots* have won since Spygate :

    Very true. They have come in last place 4 times since then and second to last twice. There was that year right after where they went 5 games without scoring a touchdown and that one week where they showed up at the wrong stadium.

    Game is not over until Tom Brady says it is – got it?

  128. Yeah, yeah, yeah. All you whiners about the lousy refs and how they give the Patriots their wins. HA! Tom Brady is a great quarterback and doesn’t need the refs to win. It wasn’t so much Pass Interference as it was an unnecessary blow to the head. Still counted as a PI. You can all just suck it. Brady rules!

  129. For all you Brady jock-sniffing Patriot fans who are constantly ridiculing Patriot-haters, we hate them for a reason:

    Brady is an amazing QB, but he is also the biggest flopper, hand thrower for flags, and whiner in the league when things do not go his way. All of this hate for me began with the “tuck rule,’ and I hated the Raiders with a passion. Brady always gets the calls that other QBs do not…like it or not! The argued flag that was picked up against Carolina has led to two straight games being decided in favor of the Patriots by phantom calls because the refs are terrified to piss off Brady and Co. The Patriots won 3 Super Bowls, all of which were during the Spygate seasons…like it or not, that too is a fact! Screw the fact that since then the Pats have appeared in 2 more SBs, losing both, and that they went 18-0 until it counted. This Patriot team should have at least 7 losses at this point, if not for a fluke play here and there (ala. Denver), and so much referee help in last minute drives. Outplay your opponents for an entire game and win, and maybe more people would respect the team more. Don’t brag and sling crap around when even you know that the Patriots have been handed most of their wins this season by piss-poor officiating. Finally, maybe if your head coach had a personality and wasn’t a whiney-a**ed baby every time something didn’t go his way there would be more respect. Haters, maybe…football fan and lover first, definitely.

  130. Point your rage at the Competition committe of the NFL. Not the players and officials. They do what they are told within the rules. Also, before being too critical of certain calls, get out there and try it sometime. Not as easy as it looks sitting in a warm house with TV, replay, Slow motion, and zoom lenses. Players are going at the knees because of the flags and fines for high hits. What did the Competition Committee think would happen?

  131. When Brady came off the field after that game winner TD against the Saints, the field mikes caught Belichick saying something to him like “Great work, champ.” In any other context anywhere in the world, that phrase is always sarcastic and condescending. But between those two it is simple truth. 10+ years in the league, zillions of dollars, supermodel wife, and the thought of losing still drives him up the wall.

  132. candidad389 says:
    Dec 9, 2013 9:29 AM
    For all you Brady jock-sniffing Patriot fans who are constantly ridiculing Patriot-haters, we hate them for a reason:

    Brady is an amazing QB, but he is also the biggest flopper, hand thrower for flags, and whiner in the league when things do not go his way. All of this hate for me began with the “tuck rule,’ and I hated the Raiders with a passion. Brady always gets the calls that other QBs do not…like it or not! The argued flag that was picked up against Carolina has led to two straight games being decided in favor of the Patriots by phantom calls because the refs are terrified to piss off Brady and Co. The Patriots won 3 Super Bowls, all of which were during the Spygate seasons…like it or not, that too is a fact! Screw the fact that since then the Pats have appeared in 2 more SBs, losing both, and that they went 18-0 until it counted. This Patriot team should have at least 7 losses at this point, if not for a fluke play here and there (ala. Denver), and so much referee help in last minute drives. Outplay your opponents for an entire game and win, and maybe more people would respect the team more. Don’t brag and sling crap around when even you know that the Patriots have been handed most of their wins this season by piss-poor officiating. Finally, maybe if your head coach had a personality and wasn’t a whiney-a**ed baby every time something didn’t go his way there would be more respect. Haters, maybe…football fan and lover first, definitely.
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    Are you effen kidding me with this post? I thought I was going to read something informative but instead and as usual, nothing but more diatribes. Cry me an effen river Justin. I literally just lost 30 seconds of my life that I will never get back reading your drivel. Do you guys sleep at night or salivate at any given chance to come on these threads to bash on a team? Seriously? Flopper? What is he Vlade Divac? Lebron James? How dare Brady show passion out there on the field! Tuck Rule and Spygate once again. Tell me, do you have anything new? Fluke play (Denver)? Maybe you should have a conversation with Welker about that play? No? 7 losses? Are you watching the same season as I am? Who the eff is bragging by the way? All the Patriot fans come on here to actually defend their team because day in and day out they have to listen to the same rhetoric that the likes of you spit constantly on these vines. See, the Patriot fans get over it unlike you and a handful of other constant putrid typing fools who constantly speak about the same BS everyday. Everyday!!!!!? Will it hurt you guys to even give credit to a team that plays hard every week? How about the teams they play actually step up, have better coaching, better personnel on the field? How about aiming your crying towards the referee’s that eff it up every game? Get real. All your post really says is butt hurt period and Patriot fans really won’t care that you hate them now and forever. Like I said before, how about worrying about your team instead of the Patriots?

  133. The Patriots were GIVEN a won by the officials on a bad pass interference call that gave them the ball on the one! Sorry Factory of Sadness, you got a loss, but this one wasn’t on you!

  134. he Patriots were GIVEN a won by the officials on a bad pass interference call that gave them the ball on the one!
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    Nope, they weren’t given the win they earned the win because they were the superior football team.

    The better teams should and does win most of the time.

    And it’s not like it was a bad call. It was the right one. I’ve watched it at least 20 times already and see no reason to think otherwise.

  135. Brady is an amazing QB, but he is also the biggest flopper, hand thrower for flags, and whiner in the league when things do not go his way. All of this hate for me began with the “tuck rule,’ and I hated the Raiders with a passion. Brady always gets the calls that other QBs do not…like it or not! The argued flag that was picked up against Carolina has led to two straight games being decided in favor of the Patriots by phantom calls because the refs are terrified to piss off Brady and Co. The Patriots won 3 Super Bowls, all of which were during the Spygate seasons…like it or not, that too is a fact! Screw the fact that since then the Pats have appeared in 2 more SBs, losing both, and that they went 18-0 until it counted. This Patriot team should have at least 7 losses at this point, if not for a fluke play here and there (ala. Denver), and so much referee help in last minute drives. Outplay your opponents for an entire game and win, and maybe more people would respect the team more. Don’t brag and sling crap around when even you know that the Patriots have been handed most of their wins this season by piss-poor officiating. Finally, maybe if your head coach had a personality and wasn’t a whiney-a**ed baby every time something didn’t go his way there would be more respect. Haters, maybe…football fan and lover first, definitely.

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    Translation: I am envious of Brady’s and the Patriots success.

    Perfectly understandable, but that does not excuse the numerous factual errors and unsubstantiated claims in your post.

  136. And it’s not like it was a bad call. It was the right one. I’ve watched it at least 20 times already and see no reason to think otherwise.

    Peter King, MPeriera and every talking head on every NFL show says it was a bad call. Being an unobjective homer, thinking the Pats never get a lucky break or call(sometimes they do), is no better than an unobjective hater that automatically thinks the Pats cheat or the NFL rigs the calls in their favor, and run to post about it.

  137. Will it hurt you guys to even give credit to a team that plays hard every week? How about the teams they play actually step up, have better coaching, better personnel on the field? How about aiming your crying towards the referee’s that eff it up every game? Get real. All your post really says is butt hurt period and Patriot fans really won’t care that you hate them now and forever. Like I said before, how about worrying about your team instead of the Patriots?
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    Patriots hating would bother me except for the fact that the Patriot haters are the same people who were actually waving their pom poms hoping that the result of an NFL championship would be tarnished because one team supposedly had a Super Bowl walkthrough tape. And they were bitterly disappointed when the news came out that the tape never existed and the guy who made that claim was outed as a liar.

    I hate a handful of teams but I would never hope that any championship they won was tainted because that would disgrace the league and the sport that I love.

    Hence, most Patriot haters are not real football fans. They disrespected my sport and my NFL and therefore I disrespect them.

    Don’t take anything a hater says seriously. I just laugh at them. It’s fun. Try it!

  138. Browns going for two means they were playing to win. At this point in the season trying to win and almost winning is better than playing for a tie. A win or loss doesn’t affect their playoff chances.

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    I get that and kind of agree…but if it backfires it’s kind of disingenuous to talk about officiating when if you just kicked the extra point it doesn’t matter.

    The burnt timeouts earlier in the half was more devastating to the Browns than the pass interference call. If the Browns – a team that was moving the ball on the Patriot defense all day – had one more time out, they might have – and probably do – give Cundiff a much easier FG try….

  139. Peter King, MPeriera and every talking head on every NFL show says it was a bad call. Being an unobjective homer, thinking the Pats never get a lucky break or call(sometimes they do), is no better than an unobjective hater that automatically thinks the Pats cheat or the NFL rigs the calls in their favor, and run to post about it.

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    The problem with such prognostications is the reality that this is the way the NFL is today. You can thank Bill Polian for that.

    Saying it “SHOULD NOT be pass interference” is not quite the same as “IS not pass interference”. I get the sense that those prognostications are talking about the former and not the latter. They would be incorrect if it was the latter.

    The eye test tells me – using today’s standards, that it is pass interference. Now as I said it’s arguable whether it was a foul in the end zone or at the 7 yard line. But PI did occur. That is indisputable.

  140. Prognostication means telling the future, so I don’t even know what you’re talking about there. You sound like a raider fan, twisting himself into a pretzal because his eyes say the tuck rule was a fumble, even though the rules at the time say it wasn’t. Can’t have it both ways. Incidental contact, although a judgement call, is not DPI. Pats may have scored anyway, but they caught a break. According to almost everyone.

  141. If Peyton manning gets the same kind of call (and he does many times – especially when he was a Colt) – then I expect consistency around the league. It’s not being homerish at all. Hence, I see absolutely no problem with calling it pass interference, nor with saying it was the right call. If you’re calling it for one, you are calling it for all. I have no problem with that.

    What a purist thinks what “should be” pass interference based on their wishful or non- existent-in-the-NFL-in-2013 criteria is completely irrelevant. I may agree with them, but it doesn’t matter because that era of the NFL is in the history books. And this is what the league wants. They want records broken every year. And that’s what they’re getting. In fact the whole passing era brought on by Polian’s rule changes make all passing records moot in my opinion. But that doesn’t matter.

    Bottom line: Based on today’s standard: There was enough visual evidence to get the flag out. The yank at the 7 yard line, the grab at the elbow and the face mask was all there.

    Bottom line: Right call.

  142. Prognostication means telling the future, so I don’t even know what you’re talking about there. You sound like a raider fan, twisting himself into a pretzal because his eyes say the tuck rule was a fumble, even though the rules at the time say it wasn’t. Can’t have it both ways. Incidental contact, although a judgement call, is not DPI. Pats may have scored anyway, but they caught a break. According to almost everyone.

    Except it’s the opposite of that. The rulebook called Brady’s fumble an incomplete pass. The rulebook since the “emphasis” called what I saw yesterday pass interference.

    If you really believe that a guy yanking on another guy at the 7 and impeding his progress to the end zone is “incidental contact” then we will have to agree to disagree. Like I said in my other post, gimme consistency. Manning has gotten that call many times. So let’s see every QB get it.

  143. So your argument apparently is the vast majority of observers(mostly neutral) that think it’s a bad call base their argument based on wishful thinking and non existent criteria, while a Pats fan, alone on an island, thinks it was the correct call because he knows the rulebook and today’s standards better than anyone else. RIIGGGGHHHT.

  144. So your argument apparently is the vast majority of observers(mostly neutral) that think it’s a bad call base their argument based on wishful thinking and non existent criteria, while a Pats fan, alone on an island, thinks it was the correct call because he knows the rulebook and today’s standards better than anyone else. RIIGGGGHHHT.

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    No. I go on the eye test. I clearly saw pass interference in the standard that’s been set by the league in recent years. The eye test doesn’t lie. I know what I saw. You are entitled to believe otherwise. That is your opinion. Just because I disagree does not make me a homer.

    And yes, Brady fumbled in the 2001 playoff game and got away with a technicality. You know it. I know it. The whole country knew it. Judging by his goofy postgame comments, even he knew it.

    The eye test said fumble, it was a fumble, and it was a joke of a rule that said otherwise. So… you can take those homer accusations and tuck them away. Pun intended.

  145. Pats fans that just can’t admit they get a lucky break once in awhile, like all other teams, give the rest of us a bad name.

  146. Pats fans that just can’t admit they get a lucky break once in awhile, like all other teams, give the rest of us a bad name.


    I think I just did. Read the post above.

    And I’m not calling “lucky” what I believe is the correct call.

    I do find it comical that some Pats fans are up in arms about it. I wonder why Pats fans didn’t rush to the Raiders defense in 2001 with such zeal and vigor….

  147. Tuck rule, as I’ve said many times was the correct call, not luck. You believe PI is the correct call because you want to, as a homer. As much as you want to hold your breath and stomp your feet, sometimes when the most of the world thinks one way and you think the other, it’s time to examine whether your thinking may be flawed.

  148. Tuck rule, as I’ve said many times was the correct call, not luck. You believe PI is the correct call because you want to, as a homer. As much as you want to hold your breath and stomp your feet, sometimes when the most of the world thinks one way and you think the other, it’s time to examine whether your thinking may be flawed.

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    No, I believe PI is the correct call because that’s exactly what I saw. It’s not my fault you don’t like it. Couldn’t care less whether you do actually.
    But I do think it’s your “most of the world” assumption that may be flawed.

    And when Brady more or less admitted that he fumbled in that game and got lucky on a technicality that is all I needed to hear. Pats fans just look so silly trying to slice it, dice it, call it something else other than what it was.

    A fumble.

    If you really think the ridiculous technicality that made Coleman a textbook fumble way he did isn’t “luck” then with all due respect I’m afraid your homer accusation may be pointing in the wrong direction.

  149. If you really think the ridiculous technicality that made Coleman call a textbook fumble way he did isn’t “luck”…
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    Fixed

  150. A technicality is still a rule, no chance or luck involved, it’s in the rulebook and was called correctly. If a ref makes a bad judgement call, it’s lucky. Like yesterday.

  151. A technicality is still a rule, no chance or luck involved,
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    Brady didn’t “fumble” because technically his arm had come forward and he hadn’t completed a “tuck”… as absurd as it was to think a QB who had clearly ended his throwing motion and had both hands on the ball before it came out could still possibly be “throwing” or tucking. When the NFL tells us that absurdities like that are acceptable enough then yes…. it’s luck.

    And I agree if the ref makes a bad judgement call and your team benefits then it’s lucky. Will happily disagree that such an occurrence was yesterday. Not when I’ve seen the flag for the same kind of contact (and less) made elsewhere in the league again and again. When that is the norm, then people can’t pretend it’s not.

  152. Tuck rule was not an acceptable absurdity or a judgement call. It was a rule(a bad one).

    That’s the word from ESPN officiating expert Gerry Austin, a two-time Super Bowl referee:

    “The best answer on that play would have been no call at all,” Austin said Monday.

    Mike Pereira, former VP in charge of officiating:
    Do I think that was DPI in New England? No.

    On one hand, two experienced rules officials, who usually tend to favor the refs, say no call. On the other hand we have brazzz01 ‘eye test’. Case closed. I’m bored. Over and out.

  153. Tuck rule was not an acceptable absurdity or a judgement call. It was a rule(a bad one).
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    You go right ahead and keep on telling yourself that. I prefer to be objective.

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    That’s the word from ESPN officiating expert Gerry Austin, a two-time Super Bowl referee:

    “The best answer on that play would have been no call at all,” Austin said Monday.

    Mike Pereira, former VP in charge of officiating:
    Do I think that was DPI in New England? No.

    On one hand, two experienced rules officials, who usually tend to favor the refs, say no call. On the other hand we have brazzz01 ‘eye test’. Case closed. I’m bored. Over and out.
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    In other words: Argumentum ad populum et auctoritate.

    Thanks for playing.

  154. What ever happend to the days of cheering a team. Now it’s how much trash can I talk about another team. Or trash a player you have never met. It’s almost as bad as Republicans vs Democrats. That’s why I chose to stay independent. This has just become sad and shows how low people will go when they are bitter about their own lives.

    😦

  155. I’ve seen some say the Browns “got screwed”, but really it was the Bengals who got hosed. The Pats kept a crucial 1 game lead for the 2nd seed thanks to that call. If the Browns had won, the Bengals would have the tiebreaker over the Pats for the 2 seed and that huge playoff BYE.

  156. Remember, Tom Bradys body at the combine.? Someone needs to break both legs and be done with is fall career… He wins more games than anyone. I MEAN I GO BACK TO THE 60 s AND HE NEVER LOSES… Sick of,em…. I mean he never gets hit..

  157. Looked at the replay again. Well whaddaya know…. it’s still pass interference and still the right call.
    Who’dve thunk it.

  158. And then you have the tuck rule. Pats have won more than one game this year due to the refs. And a high percentage of the difficult games end up being at home – year after year. Broncos will blow them out at Mile High.

  159. Patriots fan here.

    This was clearly a bad call by the refs on the PI. You can’t say it cost Cleveland the game though, odds are the Patriots score later in the game anyway with less time left.

    The Patriots have had at least one and potentially two wins stolen from them by far more egregious blown calls.

    1. The “Pushing” call vs. the Jets
    2. The missed defensive holding call vs. the Panthers

    So I still see the Patriots as down one when it comes to the bad call department.

    They were due for a good call.

  160. And then you have the tuck rule. Pats have won more than one game this year due to the refs. And a high percentage of the difficult games end up being at home – year after year. Broncos will blow them out at Mile High.

    Hahahahahahahahahahah Well, Your Broncos better hope the Pats lose a game in the next 3 because you know what happens when Peyton gets a little cold………..that’s right…….TOM BRADY OWNES HIM!!!!!! And don’t look now, But if those beat down, in decline, cheating, no good Patriots have home field advantage.

    It really must suck to be anything but a Boston Sports fan, That’s all we do is win.

  161. The road to the SB is going through Foxborough. How ironic my beloveded Patriots winning SB XLVIII on the Giants home field. With Tom Brady and his beatup squad. I like the sound of that.

  162. The road to the SB is going through Foxborough. How ironic my beloveded Patriots winning SB XLVIII on the Giants home field. With Tom Brady and his beatup squad. I like the sound of that.

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    The AFC is so wide open this year. There are no juggernaut teams so even a banged up and inexperienced Patriots team is in the mix. And in the Super Bowl maybe in cold and bad weather… who knows.

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