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Silence from Snyder, Allen become deafening

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In nearly 24 hours since a report emerged that Redskins coach Mike Shanahan packed up his office and nearly quit in January 2013 before a playoff game, Shanahan has spoken about the situation (even if he really didn’t say much).  Robert Griffin III has spoken about the situation (even if he really didn’t say anything).

Owner Daniel Snyder has said nothing.  Neither has G.M. Bruce Allen, whose title and circumstances of hiring in early 2010 suggest he is Shanahan’s boss (even if Allen really isn’t).

One day removed from the eruption, the silence becomes deafening.  How can Snyder and Allen not react to Shanahan apparently leaking the report, knowing it would hit only hours before a game and then not denying it (and in fact sort of confirming it) during a post-game press conference in which Shanahan made it clear he has every intention of being the head coach through the rest of the current season?

There’s a chance that the team’s power structure has opted to fight off-the-record fire with off-the-record fire, getting their point across without attaching their names to it.  Citing unnamed sources, the Washington Post reports that management is “angry” about the report.

“Some Redskins officials questioned the timing and motivation behind those sentiments becoming public, the people with knowledge of the situation said, with some suggesting Shanahan — or someone close to him — was behind the story,” Mark Maske of the Post wrote.  “The Redskins officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the situation, said a parting of the ways between the team and Shanahan was increasingly likely.”

So why not do it now?  The Redskins just finished a disastrous three-game home stand, capped by a 45-10 loss to the Chiefs before the smallest crowd for any non-preseason game since FedEx Field opened in 1997.

It could be that the notoriously litigious Snyder has decided to huddle with his battalion of lawyers and formulate a plan before proceeding.  And that plan could include stiffing Shanahan, like the late Al Davis once did.

The organizational dysfunction has been lingering for months.  It’s quite possible that enough stuff has happened behind the scenes to give Snyder enough ammunition to make a straight-faced argument that Shanahan shouldn’t get his $7 million salary for 2014.

With Shanahan’s fingerprints firmly affixed to Sunday’s report and with the eventual decision being made by Commissioner Roger Goodell, it would hardly be the most frivolous legal claim Snyder has ever made.  Regardless, Snyder needs to say or do something, at some point soon.

Shanahan has made look Snyder look bad, and with each passing hour of silence Snyder is looking worse.

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107 Responses to “Silence from Snyder, Allen become deafening”
  1. bennyb82 says: Dec 9, 2013 9:34 AM

    I stopped reading when it said Shanahan is supposed to make 7 million next year…what the…

  2. raiderlyfe510 says: Dec 9, 2013 9:34 AM

    I think Jon Gruden’s in the shadows lurking for that gig. Considering his close relationship with Bruce Allen.

  3. chargersdiehard says: Dec 9, 2013 9:35 AM

    Wish we could get silence from logicalvoice.

  4. getyourownname says: Dec 9, 2013 9:36 AM

    For some reason I keep thinking of the James Bond movie Tomorrow Never Dies.

  5. abninf says: Dec 9, 2013 9:36 AM

    I wonder what the players thought of Shanahan leaking that stuff just before a game. Well, I guess we saw what they thought on the football field. They have no reason to follow him. He should be fired today.

  6. jimmyt says: Dec 9, 2013 9:37 AM

    Let him finish out the season giving the Rams the first or second pick and then fire his ASCII.

  7. ratbirdsrule says: Dec 9, 2013 9:37 AM

    just kiddn good post

  8. richcranium2112 says: Dec 9, 2013 9:39 AM

    two guys who deserve each other. just saying….

  9. America's Team is Also God's Team says: Dec 9, 2013 9:41 AM

    What a mess and what a pathetic excuse of a franchise.

    So glad my favorite team is the clear-cut top man in this classic NFL rivalry, and destined through the will of our great nation to reclaim NFL glory and bring home their 6th Lombardi in less than 2 short months!

    #NothingwillstopDallas #Romoforpresident2024

  10. thesteelskirt says: Dec 9, 2013 9:42 AM

    I. Shocked this is going on in Washington, it seems like a really we’ll run organization….. I can’t even keep a straight face when typing it. If Cleveland is the factory of sadness what is DC?

  11. whyamiacowboysfanagain says: Dec 9, 2013 9:42 AM

    um, serious question…. who do you think it would be WORSE to work for? Snyder or Jerrah Jones?

  12. jlinatl says: Dec 9, 2013 9:44 AM

    It would suck to give a buy out to a coach that leaked info just before game time to intentionally cause his own team a distraction and engineer his firing buy out.

    I think a coach has every reason to be angry about an owner that is too close to a player. I understand the financial advantage of being fired.

    Engineer it in the offseason!

  13. cheapsack says: Dec 9, 2013 9:45 AM

    Jon Gruden (or any other proven and successful coach) would never take this job.
    Owner who interferes.
    Overrated Diva QB.
    Horrible team with no first round draft pick.

    Complete dumpster fire!

  14. realfootballfan says: Dec 9, 2013 9:46 AM

    He hasn’t made anyone look bad but himself. Daniel Snyder is generally a clown, but he’s not responsible for this one since he gave Shanahan everything he asked for 4 years ago when he came to town. Shanahan’s a fraud, and hopefully his career is over after this disaster so I don’t have to hear more of his media buddies misinform the fans that this idiot is some kind of genius.

  15. doorharp11 says: Dec 9, 2013 9:46 AM

    i think with this officiating in the nfl the nfl is rigged and if this continues i will treat this like the nba and not watch a damn game

  16. zam0854 says: Dec 9, 2013 9:48 AM

    Jon Gruden wants NOTHING to do with this franchise. Or this QB. I can’t wait till DHall starts popping off at the mouth about the recent performances. This dude does not hold back lol.

    #LogicallyStillHailingTheRedskins

  17. cunninghampeetemcnabbvick says: Dec 9, 2013 9:51 AM

    This mess will only get worse. Even if they fire Shanahan, which they absolutely should do, who is going to want to coach this team? It is clear the ownership will put RG3 ahead of the coaching staff. From the moment that person is hired their authority will be undermined by the relationship between RG3 and Snyder. This is a lose, lose situation if I’ve ever seen one.

  18. packerfansarefat says: Dec 9, 2013 9:52 AM

    Bad administration seems to be the norm in DC.

  19. tgreams says: Dec 9, 2013 9:54 AM

    Waiting on the word any minute now, for the firing of Shanny & his boy. I know without a doubt, Gruden wants no part of this mess & don’t blame him or his brother from staying away or Shanny & his boy from wanting to go. Look at the crowd or lack of a crowd in the stands…they don’t want to be there, either.

  20. pettytom says: Dec 9, 2013 9:55 AM

    Poor logicalvoices. He probably still thinks they have a chance of going to the Super Bowl.

  21. raiderluv says: Dec 9, 2013 9:56 AM

    Mike Shanahan is the most over rated coach in NFL history.

  22. wryly1 says: Dec 9, 2013 9:58 AM

    NFL team owners are among the most powerfully rich and successful businessmen in the country. A few of them seem to think that makes them ‘football guys’ qualified to make football decisions. Almost invariably the results are not good. Shanahan is the poster boy for that delusion.

  23. bigbwoy000 says: Dec 9, 2013 9:58 AM

    One again the question begs to be asked –

    What has Shanahan ever done without John Elway?

    Zip, zero, zilch, nothing.

    Very overrated coach that has his SON as OC.

  24. westsiiide says: Dec 9, 2013 9:59 AM

    “So why not do it now? The Redskins just finished a disastrous three-game home stand, capped by a 45-10 loss to the Chiefs before the smallest crowd for any non-preseason game since FedEx Field opened in 1997.”
    —————-

    Might be worth mentioning that the game was played in a freezing rain/sleet/snow storm too. That would likely account for the small crowd even moreso than the crappy record of the Skins. Skins fans have supported the team through just as bad…

  25. rg3andthensome says: Dec 9, 2013 10:00 AM

    Fire them all. Keep Allen

  26. America's Team is Also God's Team says: Dec 9, 2013 10:02 AM

    NFL franchises can be easily broken down into tiers, for how good or bad they are. For intance, teams like Dallas (obviously), Pittsburgh and San Fran would find themselves in the elite tier.

    A team like Washington is slowly slipping into the laughingstock tier at the bottom with the likes of Jacksonville, Philadelphia, Detroit, Cleveland, Buffalo, Arizona & the New York Jets. They find themselves in the company of the jokers who’ve never even made it there, or those who’ve made it and fell embarassingly short. With the exception of the Jets- who’s lone SB victory in one appearance when LBJ was in offense isnt enough to make up for an otherwise pitiful and laughable existence.

    #Americasteam #10ringsbeforeRomoretires

  27. enkay85 says: Dec 9, 2013 10:03 AM

    I had to create an account to post this because it was irking me. Doubt many people will read it, but as a fan of the Redskins I’m hoping to convey something sensible.

    Snyder grew up a huge ‘Skins fan and bought this team very young and ORIGINALLY ran it like a clown – a young fanatic with an ego who wanted instant results. He was a terrible owner from a football standpoint (and some can argue he still is). But the past 4 years was ALL Shanahan, not Snyder. Snyder moved his office out of Redskins Park, gave Shanny complete control of the personnel and even let Shanny decide if he wanted grass or field turf (I mean, c’mon).

    Shanahan quit on this team last year at 3-6 and he quit again this year. I can say with a straight face that RG3 is not a diva, the only thing I will fault him for (and can you really fault him for this?) was going to Snyder to voice his displeasure about running the RO after he injured his knee last season. What did Shanny do? He ran more RO and tore the kid’s ACL in the process.

    Personally, I get it – people love it when there is blood in the water and want to see other’s fail. It’s why people hate Tebow when, by all accounts, he seems like a genuinely cool dude. RG3 isn’t to blame for this and I think he’s going to be a very good quarterback, Snyder isn’t to blame for the past 4 years (he takes all the blame for everything before). This is all on Shanahan.

  28. teedraper says: Dec 9, 2013 10:07 AM

    So coach Mike Shanahan is blaming the owner & his relationship with RG3 for his inability to win anything without John Elway. LOL

    You crackers are idiots!

  29. pftstory says: Dec 9, 2013 10:08 AM

    People ask who is going to coach this terrible team,
    The owner is willing to pay a HC up to $7 mil per year. I think he’ll find someone.

  30. dcstinks says: Dec 9, 2013 10:08 AM

    I wish we could get silence from America’s Team is Also God’s Team.

    –Eagles Fan

  31. therealsmiley says: Dec 9, 2013 10:09 AM

    Snyder doesn’t have to do anything. Shanahan is under contract for another year and will fulfill his opbligation. Snyder and Shanahan do not owe you an explanation for anything. You reported this drama, you live with it. Hail you drama queen!

  32. phlorioisaphag says: Dec 9, 2013 10:09 AM

    thesteelskirt says:
    Dec 9, 2013 9:42 AM
    I. Shocked this is going on in Washington, it seems like a really we’ll run organization….. I can’t even keep a straight face when typing it. If Cleveland is the factory of sadness what is DC?

    ===================================

    “I Shocked” at your English. It’s “well” run organization, not “we will” run organization…but then again it is a Steelers fan…that lost to the Dolphins yesterday.

  33. gadlaw2012 says: Dec 9, 2013 10:09 AM

    Well, poetic justice. Shannahan got the classy Dan Reeves fired because the quarterback John Elway didn’t like how he was used and liked Shanny’s offense. Then a QB advocating for a firing was fine with Shanny. Now Shanny is going to get fired cause the QB doesn’t like him. Karma.

  34. MyTeamsAllStink says: Dec 9, 2013 10:11 AM

    at least Jerry Jones teams compete,the Skins are just dead in the water.Now that Al Davis is dead Snyder is the new worst owner in football

  35. normaneinstein7 says: Dec 9, 2013 10:12 AM

    The thing is, Snyder hasn’t meddled during Shanahan’s reign. He’s actually been good the last 4 years. This all falls on Shanahan. Snyder has given Shanahan everything he’s asked for, from practice bubble, upgraded practice facility, full GM powers, etc.

    Snyder is not at fault on this one. The product you have seen the last 4 years has been crafted and molded by Mike Shanahan. I’ve followed the Redskins for years and I know Snyder has deserved criticism for some things he’s done in the past, but he is not to blame for this one.

  36. MyTeamsAllStink says: Dec 9, 2013 10:13 AM

    Gruden already worked with a meddling owner he’s not doing it again

  37. theblowtorchreview says: Dec 9, 2013 10:15 AM

    I would be very wary of Snyder. He is a ruthless shark when it comes to money. I mean who else would sue one of his own long time season ticket holder (a little old lady) who was having financial trouble? And all for a few hundred dollars?

    I think Snyder should appoint himself coach. I would actually consider going to a game to see that debacle.

    Fail to the Redskins!

  38. purpleguy says: Dec 9, 2013 10:15 AM

    It will be interesting to see if any quality coach is willing to take the Skins job and work for Snyder. He’s either gonna have to hire an unknown up-and-comer or throw gobs and gobs of money at a new coach.

  39. tgreams says: Dec 9, 2013 10:15 AM

    Can’t blame the lack of crowd in Deadskin Nation for the storm in the area…Baltimore had the same weather as did Philly & other areas. Look at what the Ravens fans dealt with in the last 2 minutes of the game. Yet, they stuck it out & it wasn’t only to toss snowballs at the Vikings players.

  40. miamimike1 says: Dec 9, 2013 10:15 AM

    As a Bronco fan I can say I saw this coming. Denver had no defense most of his time there. He wasted millions of dollars on poor free agent picks. He went through a new defensive coach every year or two for the most part. He did nothing after Elway retired. He is at best a offensive coach . Not a G.M Not a head coach. He can’t evaluate talent. His actions be it on purpose or some how by mistake only proves his lack of leadership skills. If you want out then go to your boss and tell him. Do not pull thischild like stunt to get out of doing what you want. Your players deserved better from you as a head coach an a leader of this team.
    Washington fans just stay positive and hopefully Snyder will take his time and get the right guy to fix things there. It sucks for any fans to have to deal with bs like a coach basically quitting on them.

  41. cvdt57 says: Dec 9, 2013 10:18 AM

    This is getting ridiculous. In the scientific community, if you make a claim but won’t show your proof you are immediately discredited. Even if there are sources close to Shannahan, that doesn’t mean they can accurately speak for him. Everyone has an agenda and you’ll never know what it is if they’re too chicken to put their name to their info. Seriously, who quits before a playoff game? And in doing so would get their son and best friends fired? The notion is idiotic. Someone is driving a wedge between this franchise and it’s coach. Someone who stands to benefit from it. This story doesn’t make Shannahan look good. Even if it is true, he wouldn’t want it out.

  42. theblowtorchreview says: Dec 9, 2013 10:19 AM

    “Might be worth mentioning that the game was played in a freezing rain/sleet/snow storm too. That would likely account for the small crowd even moreso than the crappy record of the Skins. Skins fans have supported the team through just as bad…”

    ===================================

    Baloney! I remember seeing RFK packed to the rafters in way worse weather conditions than yesterday. Im pretty sure 3-10 has plenty to do with the small crowd.

  43. t8ertot says: Dec 9, 2013 10:22 AM

    The Jets are jealous of the circus attention

  44. duni423 says: Dec 9, 2013 10:23 AM

    I am a Ravens fan. Can’t stand the deadskins, but the skins fans are good fans and deserve better. Danny boy is the worst owner in sports and the fans will suffer til he’s out.

  45. h2ftw says: Dec 9, 2013 10:31 AM

    After Shanahan gets da axe, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Snyder and Allen go after RGIII’s college coach, Art Briles.

    Think about it.

    If you’re gonna give up multiple high draft picks, provide preferential treatment, and build your future around #10, you might as well hire the coach whose system was tailor-made for Griffin’s strengths.

    Just my humble opinion…

  46. America's Team is Also God's Team says: Dec 9, 2013 10:31 AM

    dcstinks says:
    Dec 9, 2013 10:08 AM
    I wish we could get silence from America’s Team is Also God’s Team.

    -Signed, Eagles Fan
    …………………………..
    Philly fans will receive silence from Dallas fans when the number of times Philly even makes the Superbowl matches the number of rings Dallas has.

    Since that’s never going to happen, neither will the silence.

  47. cwwgk says: Dec 9, 2013 10:33 AM

    @enkay85 and normaneinstein7: great analyses, I could not agree more. Thank you.

  48. brutusbigpaws says: Dec 9, 2013 10:35 AM

    Anyone here think “America’s Team is Also God’s Team” and “LogicalVoices” are the same delusional Troll?

  49. eatitfanboy says: Dec 9, 2013 10:36 AM

    Shanahan should be fired. And Snyder should “stiff” him the 7 million he’s due next year.

    I don’t care what you think about Snyder, an owner paying a coach that kind of money has the right to expect said coach to 100% committed and focused, not coaching with one foot out the door.

    The fact that Shanahan is only there because he felt he would lose face if he quit after RGIII got hurt is appalling. The implication is clear that he had zero loyalty to the organization and was going through the motions as a coach.

    I’m not a Redskin Potato fan, but their fans, and their organization deserve better.

  50. halbert53 says: Dec 9, 2013 10:37 AM

    Unless we have inside knowledge, we don’t know all that really went down, just what we have read and have chosen to believe.

    But, only a fool would keep Shanahan as coach and I’m assuming Snyder is trying to figure out way to fire Shanahan without having to pay big severance pay.

    Secondly, I would (At end of season) trade RG III. This isn’t about his skills or lack thereof (however you view him ) and this situation isn’t necessarily his fault. But, right or wrong, the perception is that any new coach is going to have to coach around him because the owner likes him.

    The potential is there for this to get into an ugly post-Shanahan situation like Favre with Packers, or Jerry Jones unconditional support of Romo or Bud Adams support of Case Keenum. What good coach would want to coach in such a situation?

  51. boyshole25 says: Dec 9, 2013 10:38 AM

    Funny thing is, we skin fans have been through much more drama than this. It really doesn’t even bother 98 percent of us because we’ve seen worse

  52. blackqbwhiterb says: Dec 9, 2013 10:38 AM

    I simply am dumbfounded how the team that won the East last year and had so much promise has fallen so far, so fast….????

    However, I imagine Shanahan’s done now, that kind of story can’t really be undone. Looking forward, the next guy has some pieces to work with- 2 good QB’s, Pierre Garcon, Jordan Reed, Alfred Morris, Kai Forbath, Orakpo and Kerrigan, not to mention about $25 million in cap space for next year. The second round pick will be a high one. About 20 guys are pending free agents, so to get rid of many guys who aren’t producing is possible. Hey, take the $$$ Snyder’s paying and build a team!!

  53. tvguy22 says: Dec 9, 2013 10:53 AM

    I love it. I hope Danny Boy never sells. For RG3-13′s sake, I sure hope they get that 4th win. Otherwise it will be a long offseason. LOL.

  54. getyourownname says: Dec 9, 2013 10:53 AM

    “Snyder grew up a huge ‘Skins fan and bought this team very young and ORIGINALLY ran it like a clown – a young fanatic with an ego who wanted instant results. He was a terrible owner from a football standpoint (and some can argue he still is). But the past 4 years was ALL Shanahan, not Snyder. Snyder moved his office out of Redskins Park, gave Shanny complete control of the personnel”
    ————-
    This is part of Little Danny’s problem. He does not understand good management concepts. No sensible owner gives the coach control of personnel decisions. It has NEVER worked. The reasons he did it are because (i) he does not get the concept of a strong GM (which means independence from the owner) and (ii) he is so starstruck he cannot say “no” to demands of a celebrity coach. He should be focusing on getting a decent GM first and foremost, not a player contract administrator like Allen.

    Also, he does not understand normal concepts of owner-player relations. It’s no accident he cultivated a connection with RGIII. He craves the reflected adulation. Shanny is overrated as a coach, but he is right that Little Danny has been undercutting the coach’s authority in the locker room.

    Danny does not get, and possibly never will, that it takes more than moving his office out of the building to create a sound football organization, which is a relentless PR machine interested only in markting, willing to say anything to manage public opinion (some examples – the PR flack implying he did not understand the radio stattion parodies, bringing out Navajo code talkers into a contrived award ceremony, the unchanging insistence the team has a wait list when everyone knows they are aggressively selling trying to sell season tickets, requring media “partners” to pay money to be able to attend live press conferences). When your orgnization is so lightweight and transparently marketing-oriented, it takes a lot more to create the right atmosphere than moving your office and building a new practive field.

    And he will never sell as long as he is making money. Skins fans, better to find a temporary alternative.

  55. mancave001 says: Dec 9, 2013 10:55 AM

    All you have to do is LOOK at Shanahan lately to see how unhappy he is with the situation. He looks like he wants to cry half of the time. As an Eagles fan I love the chaos, and have lost a of respect for Shanahan since he’s been coach of the Washington Football Professionals. I do think their fans deserve better than Snyder and their lying coach. Not sure the issues with RGKnee can be fixed easily though.

  56. redskinfansince82 says: Dec 9, 2013 10:57 AM

    Shanny quit last year before January….Remember he said he would spend the rest of the year evaluating talent when the record was 3-6. We won despite this clown. Bottom line He put this roster together, He signed all these free agents and proclaimed the depth of the team was deeper than it’s ever been. We’ve had no significant injuries this year. We brought back 21 or 22 starters last year. He’s out of excuses so what does he do he blames everybody but himself. You can’t hide from that horrible record. All he did was complain about everything which Snyder addressed and he still lost. Don’t blame the owner buddy look in the mirror.

    He probably threw the Denver game a bet. I forgot he was our coach with the tribute and all before the game. Gooooood Riddddennnnnnsss!!!!

  57. ziplock10 says: Dec 9, 2013 10:58 AM

    Ahhhhhh… I miss Norval… Even the ole ball coach!

  58. pooflingingmonkey says: Dec 9, 2013 11:03 AM

    As long as Snyder owns this team, they’ll be bad. The Redskins are just his play thing. A toy that gives him the opportunity to hang around with RG3 and act like one of the cool kids.

  59. georgegsmiller says: Dec 9, 2013 11:05 AM

    Hard for me to say this since I am a Redskins fan for life. Have been since I was 4 years old and started watching Football on TV or attending games in person. In my opinion Shanihan is a great coach and knows what he is doing. I get sick and tired of reading that his two Super Bowl rings won in Denver were all about Elway (that’s an insult to the rest of the Broncos players, coaches, front office staff). One QB does not guarentee anything in the NFL (look at Marino), let alone winning back to back Super Bowls. It takes an organization from the Owner all the way down to the water boy all working together towards the same goal. It’s called being on the same page. In the locker room ALL players are accountable. There is no such thing as one player being above the rest of the team. Not if you want to win consistently, year after year, and eventually (hopefully) win the Super Bowl.

    So now we have a situation in Washington where it sounds as if that type of atmosphere does NOT exist. Where ONE player is above everyone else when it comes to accountabilty to your teammates and coaches. I believe Snyder never received the memo on how to win in this league. He SHOULD know since he was a fan of the Redskins before he bought the team. Why he can’t stay out of the way (IE: Jack Kent Cooke) and let the coaches coach and the players play is beyond me. Undermining your coach and allowing one player to be above the rest of the roster is a recipe for disaster. This leads to disfunction, lack of trust and players feeling they do not have to be accountable. Ultimately, losing. Snyder is a very smart man. But if this story is true then my finger points to the Owner. He is the one that has allowed all of this to happen. He has chosen to intercede and once again divide the locker room/coaches. Since he bought the team he has ALWAYS done this. History tends to repeat its self over and over again in Washington and why is that? Look at the Owner.

    I thought Snyder was making progress as an owner when he fired Vinnie Cerato and allowed Allen & Shanihan to call the shots. It seemed he was finally learning to STAY OUT OF THE WAY. I guess I was wrong. Firing Shanihan would be the wrong move in my opinion. Snyder needs to take a step back and allow Shanihan to coach/run the team. Hold every player accountable the same way. Including RGIII. If that happens, then perhaps the Redskins can move forward again. If not, then the Reskin fans, myself included, will never see another Super Bowl winner again.

  60. therealtrenches says: Dec 9, 2013 11:05 AM

    regarding the “smallest crowd at FedEx field since it ipened in 1997,” westsiide wrote:

    “Might be worth mentioning that the game was played in a freezing rain/sleet/snow storm too. That would likely account for the small crowd even moreso than the crappy record of the Skins. Skins fans have supported the team through just as bad…”

    I write:

    so…you’re arguing that the weather kept such great fans away, not the weather AND a team in completely demoralizing disarray?

    Think again. Three hours north up I-95, in Philadelphia, the weather was *even worse* but the stadium was full.

    The variable here is the suck-itude of the team, and the fan base’s inability to cope with it not the weather.

    And by the way, Eagles fans have braved worse weather while having just as little to root for.

    Gee, what great fans you have down there in DC.

  61. MCxShow says: Dec 9, 2013 11:11 AM

    I’m blown away at the complete 180 this team has done in less than a year. And though many blame RG3, it’s not entirely his fault.

    The owner, city and media created all this hype about RG3 starting with trading the draft picks for him and it only grew more and more until the start of this season. The media especially is to blame (I’m looking at you, ESPN), for putting him into near Brady/Manning status after ONE season.

    Team management should’ve known better and told him, “Listen kid, we’ve invested our future in you, you’re not playing until you’re 100% healthy. Period.”

    RG3 should’ve been smarter about his health, and I don’t want to hear this report about being afraid to lose his job to Kirk Cousins. This team invested their future in you Robert, they’re not going to bench you.

    It’s amazing how believing/buying into hype and losing focus on the game itself can make it so easy to fail and lose.

  62. dcstinks says: Dec 9, 2013 11:12 AM

    America’s Team is Also God’s Team says:
    Dec 9, 2013 10:31 AM
    dcstinks says:
    Dec 9, 2013 10:08 AM
    I wish we could get silence from America’s Team is Also God’s Team.

    -Signed, Eagles Fan
    …………………………..
    Philly fans will receive silence from Dallas fans when the number of times Philly even makes the Superbowl matches the number of rings Dallas has.

    Since that’s never going to happen, neither will the silence.
    ==========================
    Funny how other teams use, “My Team has more rings than yours” when thy have nothing left to fall back on. Thanks for playing.

  63. bronconation13 says: Dec 9, 2013 11:16 AM

    The best part about the Redskins being terrible is that logicalvoices isn’t commenting on any of these posts. The Redskins are so bad that RGIII is no longer allowed to eat at Subway!

  64. brianscalabrine says: Dec 9, 2013 11:19 AM

    Well, at least the Redskins will have a high draft pick this year…..oh, OOPS!!!!

  65. jjackwagon says: Dec 9, 2013 11:19 AM

    Bill Callahan loves working for meddling owners. He sucks as a coach but at least you don’t have to worry about him trash-talking the owner before a game.

  66. nagaswan says: Dec 9, 2013 11:20 AM

    “it would hardly be the most frivolous legal claim Snyder has ever made.” haha, nice dig

  67. twayward says: Dec 9, 2013 11:24 AM

    as a giants fan, i admit a delightful sense of “cowboyfreude” engulfs me when i see jerry jones drag down this once proud franchise. but to see dan snyder do the same to the skins is just bad for the nfl, isn’t it?

  68. jimjets says: Dec 9, 2013 11:28 AM

    This owner is toxic, this kid quarterback is spoiled brat toxic, and the whole teams suffers for it. I don’t give a darn either way about the ‘skins, but they are just bad news, and have been ever since that little clown bought the team. Kinda feel sorry for the fans.

  69. tinbender2000 says: Dec 9, 2013 11:34 AM

    brutusbigpaws says: Dec 9, 2013 10:35 AM

    Anyone here think “America’s Team is Also God’s Team” and “LogicalVoices” are the same delusional Troll?
    ——————————————————————-
    Could be, but one thing is for sure. Steelersaregodsteam bailed on his crappy team and re-registered as America’s Team is also God’s Team. Personally I believe he/she is a logicalvoice wanna be.

  70. sactogary says: Dec 9, 2013 11:42 AM

    “…Shanahan apparently leaking the report…”
    ————————–
    What is the evidence of this? He was asked about it in a press conference, and chose not to lie about it. We’re so accustomed to being lied to, I guess it seems weird when someone doesn’t lie when we expect them to.

  71. r8rsfan says: Dec 9, 2013 11:43 AM

    Gruden went to a team in similar disarray, worked with an impossible owner, and turned the franchise around. Why would you think he couldn’t do it again? Situations are very much alike.

  72. thesteelskirt says: Dec 9, 2013 11:48 AM

    phlorioisaphag it is called posting from a mobile device with crappy spell check. I hope you are a teacher otherwise your working for free ascihole, oops there it goes again.

  73. govtminion says: Dec 9, 2013 11:49 AM

    Shanahan has made look Snyder look bad, and with each passing hour of silence Snyder is looking worse.
    ====================

    Give Shanahan a little credit here, at least. If he accomplishes nothing else in his coaching career- and since Elway retired, it appears he won’t- at least he did something I never thought someone could achieve.

    He made Dan Snyder look bad. Seriously, I didn’t think he could look WORSE, and Shanahan found a way? Well played, coach!

  74. jimiinpa says: Dec 9, 2013 11:50 AM

    raiderluv says:Dec 9, 2013 9:56 AM

    Mike Shanahan is the most over rated coach in NFL history
    ==================I don’t know about that, Brian Ballick is pretty bad and over rated. The ” great offensive guru ” from the vikings didn’t do crap at Baltimore, before the fanboys start he didn’t win the super bowl Marvin Lewis did. And the offense ALWAYS sucked while he was there

  75. granadafan says: Dec 9, 2013 11:55 AM

    Meddlesome owners like Snyder, Irsay, Al Davis, Jurrah Jones undermine the authorities of coaches. Griffin clearly wasn’t ready to play after his knee injury but Shanny was forced to play him because Bob ran to Danny boy.

  76. thestrategyexpert says: Dec 9, 2013 12:04 PM

    Words are for champions and leaders.

  77. dirtydrynn27 says: Dec 9, 2013 12:12 PM

    Americas team?……Puleeze stop hyping up the Cowboys,and stop boasting about 20 year old superbowls.Redskins are God awful but they are 2 and 1 against Americas over rated team in the last 3 meetings.One more thing,Philly is going to wipe your cowgirls in that game!

  78. badmoonrison says: Dec 9, 2013 12:12 PM

    Im shocked Dan hasnt fired him yet. Maybe Dan wants to get all his affairs in order before doing so. Or maybe they had a sit down to air things out.

  79. gibbskins9 says: Dec 9, 2013 12:14 PM

    Mr Snyder please SELL, first Joe Gibbs and now Mike Shanahan if this keeps up be well be left with the Zorn’s of the world, sounds like another Dallas Cowboys situation with a figure head at head coach.
    WE REALLY MISS YOU MR. COOKE.

  80. stonedwhitetrash says: Dec 9, 2013 12:15 PM

    RG three and out is what’s fermenting this team, any football team that puts it’s fate in the hands of one unproven player is in deep do do

  81. vavikingfan says: Dec 9, 2013 12:17 PM

    Don’t we all wish we could live in the delusional world of America’s Team is Gods team?

  82. CowboyErik says: Dec 9, 2013 12:17 PM

    RedSkins will suck with or without him, it’s largely a tradition, St.louis Rams of the NFC East

  83. whyamiacowboysfanagain says: Dec 9, 2013 12:19 PM

    As a follow up to my earlier posted question about who would be WORSE to work for, I found this interview of Tony Dungy by Dan Patrick…..

    “If I said you could work for Daniel Snyder, or Jerry Jones, or not work at all….” Patrick tried.

    “Let’s just say I’m retired from the NFL,” Dungy said.

    “So you would rather not work than to work under those two guys?” Patrick tried again.

    “No, I think I could work for anybody,” Dungy said. “When you work for Dan Rooney, you work for Lamar Hunt, you work for Jim Irsay, even the Glazers were great to me and let me pass or fail based on my ability. I think that’s what you’re looking for as a head coach, and I don’t know that you get that in Washington or Dallas. The problem I have with both those organizations: You’ve got to build a team; that’s how you win championships. You can’t just say we’re gonna bring in the best player, we’re gonna bring in guys, it doesn’t matter what kind of teammates they are or what type of history they have, if we get star players we’re gonna be good. And I think both of those owners think that’s the case: The more star players you have, the better you’re gonna be. And that’s not how you build championship teams.”

    ……couldn’t agree more…….

  84. lawyermalloy says: Dec 9, 2013 12:22 PM

    Fired for cause!

  85. America's Team is Also God's Team says: Dec 9, 2013 12:29 PM

    dcstinks says:
    Dec 9, 2013 11:12 AM
    America’s Team is Also God’s Team says:
    Dec 9, 2013 10:31 AM
    dcstinks says:
    Dec 9, 2013 10:08 AM
    I wish we could get silence from America’s Team is Also God’s Team.

    -Signed, Eagles Fan
    …………………………..
    Philly fans will receive silence from Dallas fans when the number of times Philly even makes the Superbowl matches the number of rings Dallas has.

    Since that’s never going to happen, neither will the silence.
    ==========================
    Funny how other teams use, “My Team has more rings than yours” when thy have nothing left to fall back on. Thanks for playing.

    ………………………………………
    Funny how other teams with no accomplishments to speak of justify to teams with numerous accomplishments “that’s all you have to fall back on”. Say what you want. End of the day, the Eagles are and always have been a laughingstock of the NFL due to how poorly they perform when the time counts. New regime promises no change either- Chip Kelly lost the big game in college time and again.

  86. eatitfanboy says: Dec 9, 2013 12:30 PM

    westsiiide says:
    Dec 9, 2013 9:59 AM
    “So why not do it now? The Redskins just finished a disastrous three-game home stand, capped by a 45-10 loss to the Chiefs before the smallest crowd for any non-preseason game since FedEx Field opened in 1997.”
    —————-

    Might be worth mentioning that the game was played in a freezing rain/sleet/snow storm too. That would likely account for the small crowd even moreso than the crappy record of the Skins. Skins fans have supported the team through just as bad…

    ================

    Might be worth mentioning that 35 miles away, in identical weather, M&T Bank Stadium in Baltimore was packed. And another 90 miles or so north of that, in much worse weather, so was the Linc.

  87. pastorbobs says: Dec 9, 2013 12:31 PM

    Initially I agree that the report made Synder look bad. Now it seems clear that Shanahan was behind the report, which looks much worse for him than the owner.

    Synder is probably consulting his legal team to see what can be done.

    In the end it may be more beneficial to the team as a whole to get rid of Shanny earlier rather than later. Even if it means a painful 7 mil. payment.

  88. cuda1234 says: Dec 9, 2013 12:49 PM

    Bobby Griffin is a coach killer just like Timmy Tebow before him (Josh McDaniels, Tony Sparano). Cross these guys at your own risk!

  89. gregmorris78 says: Dec 9, 2013 12:55 PM

    Shanahan isn’t in it for next years money. Remember, he was going to quit once last years playoff run ended. Too bad it ended by griff tore up knee. Mike couldn’t leave like that. He wanted to go out on a high note.

    Mike was sick of Dan Snyders ways. Though Snyder doesn’t make football decisions, he still affects the franchise regardless of the coach. Special treatment of griff had had an unquantifiable affect on the team and continues this year. Griff is caught in the middle, a young naive kid with a big heart and drive to win.

    When the owner sues little old ladies, the local papers, throws out signs that read to my husband in Afghanistan with love, threatens to have fans thrown out of the stadium if they are derogatory towards the owner, disrespects the players by giving griff preferential off the field treatment, stands up on a soapbox and proclaims the team name never will change, the bad karma becomes legendary. People don’t like him and he’s made surprising enemies including john riggins, the dc government and gobs of innocent fans. None of these are football decisions. Brady doesn’t need kraft to pick up Giselle in a limo. Come on dan/griff REALLY thought that was a good decision? To ignore cousins in the locker room after last years Baltimore win was ridiculous, even though collateral damage.

    I can’t imagine anyone else credible coming to dc while Snyder owns the team.

    Snyder can’t help it, he’s a douce. Completely unintentionally.

    I will forever respect mike Shanahan and the job he’s done in Washington. People in football circles understand what’s been going on.

    Snyder should sell the team NOW…

  90. thefirstsmilergrogan says: Dec 9, 2013 12:56 PM

    For those disputing the source for the espn article, ask yourself who, besides shanny, would be in possession of the information about his intentions prior to a playoff game? the people who cleaned out his office? and he did this prior to a playoff game? did he plan to have someone move all the stuff back should they win the game? doesn’t ring true to me. no, the only person with the info and the motive would be shanahan himself.

    and if he really did clean out the office, i think for a head coach to give up on his team before the last game being played is a reason for termination.

  91. drs76109 says: Dec 9, 2013 12:56 PM

    Wasn’t Bruce Allen in Oakland when Davis fired Shanahan for cause? That could be a reasoin – to line up the ducks in a row. Because there certainly looks like a case.

    Might also be that they’re figuring out who else to fire, or whether to fire the younger first and goad the elder.

    Past Shanahan, the only other coach with HC exp is Raheem Morris, I believe.

  92. drs76109 says: Dec 9, 2013 12:57 PM

    I meant past Shanahan and Haslett, of course.

  93. gibson34 says: Dec 9, 2013 1:03 PM

    WORST FRANCHISE IN THE NFL….FANS ARE FINALLY SEEING IT TOO AS THERE WAS NOBODY AT THAT STADIUM YESTERDAY….LOVE IT…LOL

    FTTR

  94. kingpel says: Dec 9, 2013 1:05 PM

    Hopefully they hire Raheem Morris as the new HC and him and Snyder can do chest bumps on the sideline every time RG3 scores.

  95. dirtydrynn27 says: Dec 9, 2013 1:08 PM

    Skins are 3 and 10 so why does everybody hate them?

  96. hooterdawg says: Dec 9, 2013 1:20 PM

    If the details about the ESPN report are true ( Shanahan cleaned out his desk before the Redskins playoff game last postseason) then it is likely that Shanahan’s intentions were not a secret to everyone in the organization. He/his camp are not the only potential source for this story; those within the Redskins who want to find a reason to fire him with cause could have leaked this. Shanahan can’t comment now if it is, in fact, a true story.

  97. djcologne says: Dec 9, 2013 1:22 PM

    Koolaid man is doing some crafty work behind the scenes to get out of that carny show called The Redskins!

  98. dhardy8207 says: Dec 9, 2013 1:23 PM

    h2ftw says;

    “After Shanahan gets da axe, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Snyder and Allen go after RGIII’s college coach, Art Briles.”

    ————————————————–

    An interesting scenario there…. Only thing is, Briles lack of NFL experience. With Baylor’s success this year within the collegiate rankings, I’m sure the alumni would pony up BIG to keep him. Baylor doesn’t have the deep pockets the Longhorns or the Skins have but they have really been focusing on building their football program to compete with Mack and company…

  99. riverhorsey says: Dec 9, 2013 1:24 PM

    So I’d like to know how you know “Shanahan’s fingerprints firmly affixed to Sunday’s report”?

    Why couldn’t Snyder leak it and make it look like Shanahan did it ?

    If you’re going to fix responsibility to Shanahan then tell us what proof you have he leaked it.

  100. selldannysell says: Dec 9, 2013 1:24 PM

    That team just quit yesterday. As a lifelong fan of the burgundy-and-gold, I’ve seen good teams and bad teams. This has to be, by far, the worst I’ve ever seen. When Marty Schottenheimer coached here, he made it clear to Danny to stay off the practice field and away from the players so he could work. Thus, Danny fired him because he wasn’t “having any fun.” What happens is that, now, he’ll only hire someone who will let him pal around with the players and let him jock-sniff to his heart’s content. However, his doing that means that he’ll pick favorites, which undermines the coaching staff, creates resentment in the locker room, and compromises the on-field product. There’s no reason for him to be socializing with RGIII and sending his security detail to cater to him and his wife. Danny says he’s “pissed” by everything that’s happening with this team? Until he looks in the mirror and comes to realization that he needs to stop acting like the high-school nerd allowed to hang out with the jocks, performances like yesterday will become the norm. The NFL sees the dysfunction that rules this organization. No one worth their salt is going to want to come to D.C. because of that. The only reason Shanahan is here is because he and Danny had a prior business relationship. He was far from the best coaching choice out there.

  101. dcstinks says: Dec 9, 2013 1:29 PM

    America’s Team is Also God’s Team says:
    Dec 9, 2013 12:29 PM
    dcstinks says:
    Dec 9, 2013 11:12 AM
    America’s Team is Also God’s Team says:
    Dec 9, 2013 10:31 AM
    dcstinks says:
    Dec 9, 2013 10:08 AM
    I wish we could get silence from America’s Team is Also God’s Team.

    -Signed, Eagles Fan
    …………………………..
    Philly fans will receive silence from Dallas fans when the number of times Philly even makes the Superbowl matches the number of rings Dallas has.

    Since that’s never going to happen, neither will the silence.
    ==========================
    Funny how other teams use, “My Team has more rings than yours” when thy have nothing left to fall back on. Thanks for playing.

    ………………………………………
    Funny how other teams with no accomplishments to speak of justify to teams with numerous accomplishments “that’s all you have to fall back on”. Say what you want. End of the day, the Eagles are and always have been a laughingstock of the NFL due to how poorly they perform when the time counts. New regime promises no change either- Chip Kelly lost the big game in college time and again.
    ============================

    Please tell me of your accomplishments in the past 15 years other than getting a bunch of draft picks from New Orleans for what? Nothing.. Oh wait lets try it the other way, lets trade out our draft picks to St. Louis. Redskins will have a #1 pick this year.. Oh wait.. Nvm…

  102. tillihawk says: Dec 9, 2013 1:29 PM

    Snyder can’t win in this circle… its a definite catch 22. I guess my first question is “what owner doesn’t have relationship with players?” most of them do. Even the ones you never see on TV talk to players. Snyder has stayed out of the way the past several years. The cap penalty has hurt this team more than people think. Right or wrong, it has hurt them. Of course Snyder sends limos to pick up players wives or whatever.. he’s a flipping billionaire for God sake. He likes making his players happy. He’s involved and cares. I would think most people would want an owner who is willing to pay anything to get the right coaches and players in to win a Super Bowl.. That is all Snyder has done but it hasn’t worked out. Now he backs away and this site is saying he’s making it worse by not talking.. UNREAL. Something is up with Shanny.. I think he just realizes the game has passed him by and also realizes how much his son sucks as a coach so he is wanting to bail. The blame should not be going towards Snyder in this case.

  103. deaconrules75 says: Dec 9, 2013 1:34 PM

    John Riggins said of Dan Snyder “there is darkness in this man’s heart!”. He is the worst owner in all of sports. Skins are filled with I, I, me players and have the worst locker room culture in the NFL! They will never attract a quality head coach. Good luck Danny Boy!

  104. raiderlyfe510 says: Dec 9, 2013 1:38 PM

    RedskinFan,

    Lane Kiffin’s available…and he can even get his pops to coordinate the defense. LOL, that’s how he got most of his jobs, by including his pops in his sales pitch.

  105. 1bigtex says: Dec 9, 2013 2:06 PM

    raiderlyfe510 says: Dec 9, 2013 1:38 PM

    RedskinFan,

    Lane Kiffin’s available…and he can even get his pops to coordinate the defense. LOL, that’s how he got most of his jobs, by including his pops in his sales pitch.

    ………………………………………………..

    Don’t remember Monte being part of Lane’s staff in Oakland or when Lane was an assistant at USC. I do remember the discussions about Lane wanting Megatron while Al insisted that Jamarcus was a “great playa”. Lane Kiffin is a slimeball, but Al missed that Russell instead of Johnson picked by a couple of light years.

  106. therealtrenches says: Dec 9, 2013 2:39 PM

    ibigtex wrote:

    Don’t remember Monte being part of Lane’s staff in Oakland or when Lane was an assistant at USC.”

    But you *do* remember Monte being on Lane’s staff when he was *head coach* at Tennessee and USC, don’t you?

  107. America's Team is Also God's Team says: Dec 9, 2013 2:53 PM

    dcstinks says:
    Dec 9, 2013 1:29 PM
    America’s Team is Also God’s Team says:
    Dec 9, 2013 12:29 PM
    dcstinks says:
    Dec 9, 2013 11:12 AM
    America’s Team is Also God’s Team says:
    Dec 9, 2013 10:31 AM
    dcstinks says:
    Dec 9, 2013 10:08 AM
    I wish we could get silence from America’s Team is Also God’s Team.

    -Signed, Eagles Fan
    …………………………..
    Philly fans will receive silence from Dallas fans when the number of times Philly even makes the Superbowl matches the number of rings Dallas has.

    Since that’s never going to happen, neither will the silence.
    ==========================
    Funny how other teams use, “My Team has more rings than yours” when thy have nothing left to fall back on. Thanks for playing.

    ………………………………………
    Funny how other teams with no accomplishments to speak of justify to teams with numerous accomplishments “that’s all you have to fall back on”. Say what you want. End of the day, the Eagles are and always have been a laughingstock of the NFL due to how poorly they perform when the time counts. New regime promises no change either- Chip Kelly lost the big game in college time and again.
    ============================

    Please tell me of your accomplishments in the past 15 years other than getting a bunch of draft picks from New Orleans for what? Nothing.. Oh wait lets try it the other way, lets trade out our draft picks to St. Louis. Redskins will have a #1 pick this year.. Oh wait.. Nvm…
    ……………………………………………
    1) What does the Redskins trading their draft picks to St Louis have to do with the Dallas Cowboys? Nothing, at all.

    2) Philadelphia losing in 3 straight NFC title games is not an accomplishment, and losing a superbowl is not a bragging point either.

    4) Fact still remains that Dalla has 150% more superbowl wins than Philly has NFC titles.

    Game, set, match.

    #Dallas

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