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Brady could steal MVP from Peyton

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In a year that inevitably will feature Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning bogarting the single-season touchdown pass record from Patriots quarterback Tom Brady, Brady could return the favor when it’s time to tally the MVP votes.

And here’s where we begin the annual process of pointing out the deep and profound flaws with the “official” awards process to which the Associated Press stubbornly clings.  It’s an all-or-nothing system based on a narrow pool of only 50 voters, most of whom cover only one team and some of whom shouldn’t have a vote for other reasons.

Last year, those 50 voters got it right, giving the MVP to Adrian Peterson after he willed the Vikings to the playoffs and nearly broke the single-season rushing record.  For weeks, most assumed that Manning would win it in a landslide.

This year, that same assumption has applied.  But with the Chargers once again finding a way to bedevil Manning and the Patriots now in position to swipe the No. 1 seed from the Broncos, Brady deserves serious consideration for the honor.

Brady’s stats don’t compare to Manning’s.  But in the only stat that ever really matters — points scored vs. points allowed — Brady’s team could end up surpassing Manning’s.

Taking away the quarterbacks, which team is objectively better?  On offense, it’s undoubtedly Denver.  Brady has been dealing with injuries, inexperience, and at times incompetence.

While Brady’s passing skills arguably have begun to diminish, he now has a chance to do what has been throughout the season unthinkable.  Brady can help the Patriots secure home-field advantage throughout the playoffs, forcing Manning and company to return to Foxboro for yet another cold-weather elimination game after which Peyton possibly won’t be telling people to shove things where the sun don’t shine.

Last year, Manning had to settle for offensive player of the year.  This year, Manning may end up winning “only” the offensive player of the year award.

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193 Responses to “Brady could steal MVP from Peyton”
  1. 2001asterisk2003asterisk2004asterisk says: Dec 13, 2013 9:26 AM

    One plays the game the right way.

    The other complains, argues, begs for flags & yells at the refs like a baby.

    Good lesson for people – if you comlain, cheat and disrespect the game you’ll be rewarded.

  2. blainelacher says: Dec 13, 2013 9:26 AM

    Long time Pats fan here. Don’t see this happening.

  3. metspeed21 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:28 AM

    Don’t worry Pats fans, the refs will help him achieve this honour.

  4. joetoronto says: Dec 13, 2013 9:28 AM

    And rightly so, it based on the WHOLE season.

    Not until the weather turns cold.

  5. thereisfootballwestofjersey says: Dec 13, 2013 9:28 AM

    Game on the line and #18 throws a pick. Sound familiar?

  6. mightymorgan18 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:28 AM

    Wow. You are joking right?

  7. mayfieldroadboy says: Dec 13, 2013 9:28 AM

    And why shouldn’t he?

  8. pitt9 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:28 AM

    Chiefs fan here. I have no love for the Broncos, but in my mind, Manning has already won the MVP award. Short of some sort of miracle, I don’t think there’s anything Brady can do in the final few weeks to steal it.

    Just my 2 cents.

  9. xsfmed says: Dec 13, 2013 9:31 AM

    Peyton will be the MVP. Just stop.

  10. baltimorons says: Dec 13, 2013 9:31 AM

    We all know that Brady condones cheating, so stealing for him is no big deal.

  11. thegregwitul says: Dec 13, 2013 9:34 AM

    “Brady’s stats don’t compare to Manning’s. But in the only stat that ever really matters — points scored vs. points allowed — Brady’s team could end up surpassing Manning’s.”

    So, Tom Brady plays defense now? I’m not sure Brady will be MVP this season, but Bill Belichick has to be the run away favorite for coach of the year, especially considering the success he’s had with a defense battling through significant injuries.

  12. kingpel says: Dec 13, 2013 9:34 AM

    Ummmm. No.

  13. clarencewhorley says: Dec 13, 2013 9:35 AM

    If the Eagles win out and Foles keep up the pace I think he should get MVP votes. If Brady had the weapons Manning has they would be undefeated and if Manning had to play with the Patriots in New England he would have more than 4 losses

  14. all4patriots says: Dec 13, 2013 9:35 AM

    This team, with all of these key season-ending injuries, getting a #1 seed? It would be the best coaching job AND the best quarterbacking performance of (at least) the entirety of the Super Bowl era. There is more work to do, though.

  15. dexterismyhero says: Dec 13, 2013 9:35 AM

    Let the season finish please!!!!

  16. pem34 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:37 AM

    If its not going to Manning (assuming he breaks the single season touchdown and/or yards record(s)), I can think of a few people I would put ahead of Brady:

    Megatron (if Lions wrap up the division) – clearly most important person on his team;

    Russel Wilson or Marshawn Lynch (better year than Brady, teams would be about on equal footing)

    Andy Dalton (yes I said it) if the Bengals secure the #1 or #2 seed and crush Pitt and Balt in the next two weeks

    Nick Foles/Shady McCoy

    I don’t know – Brady just seems to much like a re-tread and considering he is not having one of his better years, it would seem hard to justify.

  17. hehateme2 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:38 AM

    No way. Peyton> miss brady

  18. cardsfann1 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:38 AM

    I really wouldn’t say he stole anything if he ends up winning the MVP. He has less weapons than Manning and has the same amount of wins with some dramatic come backs. The non call on Gronk that cost him a chance for a win gets cancelled out for the terrible pass interference call last week which set up the win… Manning has a plethora of better receivers and a better defense…

  19. Ferdinand says: Dec 13, 2013 9:38 AM

    If the Most Valuable Player is the player who losing would most hurt the team rather than just who is having a great year – the the MVP is clearly Aaron Rodgers.

  20. mayers59 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:39 AM

    If the Patriots win out and get home field advantage, it will be because of Brady more than any other player on the team. Winning home field advantage after losing Welker, Hernandez, Gronkowski on offense and Wilforth and others on defense Brady in my opinion would deserve it. He is more valuable to the Patriots.

  21. tonyugoh says: Dec 13, 2013 9:40 AM

    YES, BRADY IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN MANNING AT PLAYING DEFENSE AND RECOVERING ONSIDE KICKS, HE MUST BE THE MVP!

  22. imthaschmidt says: Dec 13, 2013 9:40 AM

    said this weeks ago and bill should get coty

  23. cunninghampeetemcnabbvick says: Dec 13, 2013 9:40 AM

    How do you figure Brady is even in consideration for MVP this year? McCown, Manning, Rivers, Brees, Foles, Rodgers, Wilson, Kaepernick, Ryan and Cutler all have a better QBR then Brady. That’s not even taking into account other positions then QB. What about McCoy or Charles? What about Megatron? Brady is a great QB, but this is definitely not his year.

    Belicheck may be up for coach of the year though but he’ll face tough competition from Andy Reid, Chip Kelly, Bruce Arians and Sean Payton.

  24. spoilerfutbol says: Dec 13, 2013 9:41 AM

    If Manning breaks TDs and yards records he will win the MVP without discussion

    I hope Manning wins another MVP and Pats a SuperBowl.

  25. ampats says: Dec 13, 2013 9:41 AM

    Tom Brady has put this team on his back and led it to a 10-3 record. Without TB this team could easily be 3-10. The MVP award should go to the player who IS the Most Valuable Player, not who has the best stats. If the Patriots advance to the Super Bowl, as a Patriots fan this will be the most remarkable season since 2001 with the injuries this team has sustained this season not to mention losing one of their better players to jail in June which did not allow them to compensate unlike losing Wes Welker.

  26. m3dman3 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:41 AM

    LOL no way Brady comes close to the MVP.

  27. thejabronisayz says: Dec 13, 2013 9:43 AM

    New England’s success is due in large part to Brady, but it is also due to Belicheck’s system. That’s why the team still went 11-5 with Cassell as the QB. I think the biggest question is this: if you removed Brady from New England and Manning from Denver, which team would do better? I think the answer is New England, whereas Denver would not be nearly as competitive without Manning.

  28. narfmoo12 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:43 AM

    If the Eagles win the last 3 games and go into the playoffs at 11-5, Foles would be 10-1 (counting the Giants game where he replaced Vick in the 2nd quarter). If he has approximately 30 touchdowns and just 2 or 3 interceptions, he deserves the MVP.

  29. erock27 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:44 AM

    Ive always been more of a brady over payton fan . But i find it hard to believe payton not winning mvp this year with his stats . Doing something noone has ever witnessed before . Quite remarkable

  30. wakexxl says: Dec 13, 2013 9:46 AM

    “While Brady’s passing skills arguably have begun to diminish”

    Brady has managed to win after losing his 3 best offensive players Gronk, Welker and Hernandez. He is also playing with a bunch of rookies undrafted free agents. So winning with a team like this is a sign of losing his passing skills…..um how bout no.

  31. massappeal12345 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:46 AM

    What kind of a “winner” QB keeps trying to complete all those easy, time consuming, 5 yard, over the middle passes that Manning kept throwing last night as the clock ran down. It sure pleased San Diego.

    Throw the freakin’ ball down the freakin’ field!!!

  32. shenanigans24 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:49 AM

    There’s no chance, it always goes to the guy with the best stats… Unless its 2008, when the 2nd best stats were good enough. Or 2009 when the 7th best stats were good enough.

    But he’s going to break a record, you have to give it to him if he breaks a record…
    Unless its 2008 when Brees broke the yardage record, and umm- more TDs, and a higher completion percentage, and fewer interceptions.

    Also in 2009 when Chris Johnson broke the yards from scrimmage record. But Peyton definitely deserved it more, I mean- haven’t the 2nd best stats makes you #1.

    So it should always be the guy with the best stats, or Peyton Manning.

  33. mayers59 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:49 AM

    With all the Tebow bashing that went on when he played, remember, if you are saying who is better without which QB, Broncos made the playoffs with Tebow as their QB AND even won a playoff game. So if you are going to bring up that the Patriots went 11-5 without Brady, don’t forget to mention that the Broncos made the playoffs and won a playoff game with Tebow the year before Manning showed up.

  34. cjspiller12 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:50 AM

    Brady does not deserve serious consideration at all. I would give it to Russell Wilson if not Manning. Manning still deserves it. Brady put up stinker games against the Bengals and Jets. Without the help of the refs and his crying the Patriots would of lost a couple of other games as well. If you truly want to talk about an MVP, how about Aaron Rodgers? Even though he won’t win, the Packers can’t win without him. Even Matt Cassell put up stats in the New England “system”. Brady would be an average QB on any other NFL team.

  35. mayers59 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:51 AM

    And yes, lets not forget Nick Foles in the MVP conversation as narfmoo12 pointed out.

  36. blitzed14 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:52 AM

    Through 14 games…

    Peyton had 45 TD passes, 38ppg, and a defense giving up 26ppg

    Brady has 21 TD passes, 27ppg, and a defense giving up 22ppg

    That does not look particularly comparable to me. These voters are notoriously illogical at times, but I don’t think they will miss this one.

  37. colv says: Dec 13, 2013 9:52 AM

    It would be an insult to Payton if Brady won based on those stats. Yes you got it right, Brady’s skills are diminishing, and I know 20 other QBs would love to play as good as he does now, but Payton is lights out this year. As a Ravens fan it’s easy to say these two are arguably the best to ever play the game.

  38. qdog112 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:53 AM

    MVP, first name RUSSELL, last name WILSON. He is the best player on the best team.

  39. zimaman says: Dec 13, 2013 9:54 AM

    thejabronisayz says:
    Dec 13, 2013 9:43 AM

    totally disagree with you dude. the question really should be if you put Brady on Denver’s team and Manning on New England which one would do better

    The answer is Brady every time.

  40. shayeezy says: Dec 13, 2013 9:54 AM

    denver won a playoff game with tebow at QB. the argument that they wouldn’t be competetive without manning is patently false.

  41. madtypist5 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:55 AM

    Can we please stop the madness here? It feels like the media is constantly looking for an excuse to pick someone other than Manning, despite the fact that he’s played amazing and is literally on the road to one of the greatest QB seasons of all time. I’m just not sure what he’s supposed to do when he only gets the ball for 19 minutes in the game. If anything, it’s proof that the Broncos have their own glaring weakness (inability to stop the run, mental mistakes like the offsides on the punt) that Peyton is expected to single-handedly overcome. That he’s criticized for every loss seems to enforce to me that he’s the MVP

    Brady has been brutal at stretches this season – I’d argue the Patriots have been a total team effort in terms of getting the wins they’ve gotten this year. They also had the good fortune of playing 4 weak teams to start the year (BUF, NYJ, TB, ATL).

  42. therealbleedcoltsblue says: Dec 13, 2013 9:56 AM

    Brady has definitely had less help from his receivers, a worse running game, and a lot fewer excuses.

    Plus, he doesn’t seem to suck when it gets cold outside.

    I’d say Brady.

    #diehardColtsfan

  43. 87hollywoodhorn says: Dec 13, 2013 9:57 AM

    brady for mvp? ludicrous, hes never played worse. barely hit 60% comp. far more deserving candidates

  44. weepingjebus says: Dec 13, 2013 9:59 AM

    I think the top choice is Foles, but between Manning and Brady the choice would be Brady. Manning is a guy who gets into a shiny new racecar every morning and then rams it into the wall on lap 440. Brady gets into a beat up old lap car from the 1980s and “somehow” wins the race.

  45. a1entlvnv says: Dec 13, 2013 10:01 AM

    Tom Brady is my favorite QB of all time… but no way he even gets a vote this year. Peyton will surpass 50 TD’s this year.

    And btw…Peyton wasn’t Offensive Player of the Year last year…Adrian Peterson was.

    Peyton was Comeback Player of the Year though..

  46. ringheadcrusher says: Dec 13, 2013 10:03 AM

    If anyone should be shoe-horning into the MVP discussion it’s Drew Brees. Brady’s numbers just aren’t there.

  47. kellyb9 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:03 AM

    Let me preface this by saying both are great quarterbacks, but the thing that’s always bothered me about Manning is that he’s a stat machine. If the Broncos drive down to 1st and goal on the 1, you can bet Manning is going to throw it 3 times. Also, if you compare the amount of Pro Bowl talent he has around him (not just this year but any year), the number far surpasses Brady. At the end of the day, if I have to win 1 game (except against the Giants), I’m taking Brady… hands down. That, above all else, exhibits more value to me than 1 yard TD passes and stats.

  48. fwippel says: Dec 13, 2013 10:05 AM

    How would that look if the refs hadn’t handed last weeks Pats-Browns game to the Patriots?

  49. snaxdsp says: Dec 13, 2013 10:07 AM

    Ever heard of a guy named Brees?

  50. spoilerfutbol says: Dec 13, 2013 10:10 AM

    “Ever heard of a guy named Brees?”
    —–

    He wants an explanation

  51. truthfactory says: Dec 13, 2013 10:10 AM

    Um…. Sorry to say but Brady has had many stinkers this season and won the games because of his defense.

    If Manning doesnt have a great game, they lose. Brady has had like 7 “okay” to “bad” games and they’ve won 5 of them because their defense can get it done.

  52. mightymorgan18 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:10 AM

    An opinion like this only comes about because the Broncos lost. It’s always overreaction whenever a high profile team loses. Would Brady be in the conversation without a muffed punt by the Broncos or a phantom PI call on the Browns? Nick Foles is more deserving than Brady. He has been lights out.

    Voting should be Peyton > Foles > Wilson > McCoy > Brady

  53. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:11 AM

    If the Pats run the table he’ll probably get a vote or two. Won’t be enough though.

  54. wtfpft says: Dec 13, 2013 10:12 AM

    Wow they lose one game and you already jump ship on one of the best single season performances a qb has ever put up. Manning is by far the MVP this year.

  55. strokinmyego says: Dec 13, 2013 10:12 AM

    “How would that look if the refs hadn’t handed last weeks Pats-Browns game to the Patriots?”

    How would it look if Boger didn’t blow the call in the second Jets game? How would it look if Clete Blakeman didn’t pick up an obvious pass interference flag? If the refs were more competent the Patriots could be 12-1 right now. It goes both ways Patriots haters.

  56. onlysane1intheroom says: Dec 13, 2013 10:13 AM

    fwippel says:
    Dec 13, 2013 10:05 AM

    How would that look if the refs hadn’t handed last weeks Pats-Browns game to the Patriots?
    _____________________

    And if the refs didn’t blow the calls against the Jets and the Panthers, the Pats would be 11-2 and in SOLE possession of the No. 1 seed. How would that look?

  57. newjerseygiants says: Dec 13, 2013 10:13 AM

    If the Patriots won those two SB’s against the Giants, we’d probably see Brady and Belichick’s faces carved into Mount Rushmore.

  58. bucrightoff says: Dec 13, 2013 10:14 AM

    Megatron needs to get an MVP, this seems like a good year. Seriously no one is close to as valuable as he is. He’s the only thing preventing the 2009 QB draft class frm being the worst ever. That deserves a MVP.

  59. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:17 AM

    New England’s success is due in large part to Brady, but it is also due to Belicheck’s system. That’s why the team still went 11-5 with Cassell as the QB. I think the biggest question is this: if you removed Brady from New England and Manning from Denver, which team would do better
    ———–

    Put Brady in Manning’s place in Denver and they have at least the same record as they do now. No reason to think otherwise.

    Remove Brady from New England and put Ryan Mallett in and they are a 3 win team. Maybe.

    Cassel’s 11-5 had just as much to do with the 2008 Pats having the softest schedule I have ever seen as it does with “the system”. Other than the Cardinals in a blizzard the 2008 Pats also didn’t beat any good teams that season.

  60. skinsterps says: Dec 13, 2013 10:17 AM

    MVP Mannings hands down!!! check the stats again for anyone saying. Brady, Foles(LOL) or Russel Wilson(even more LOL).

    We are watching greatness this year that some day our grandchildren will tell their grandchildren about.(of course it will be flagfootball by then).

    Points per game, yards per game, TD’s for a season. efficiency etc. etc..

    Crazy numbers even in this day. manning had only a 92.4 rating last night (which is better than most QB’s) His int was because of his line.

    check stats and come back with real discussions.

    Not a Peyton or Bronco fan BTW

  61. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:17 AM

    How would that look if the refs hadn’t handed last weeks Pats-Browns game to the Patriots?

    -=—

    THey didn’t. It was pass interference. Right call.

  62. Rhodygal says: Dec 13, 2013 10:21 AM

    Nobody better than Brady and his Bunch! Go PATS!!

  63. all4patriots says: Dec 13, 2013 10:22 AM

    this team, with these devastating injuries, with this inexperience, a #1 seed? Coach of the year for BB and MVP for TB should be a LOCK

  64. stealthjunk says: Dec 13, 2013 10:22 AM

    “Brady’s stats don’t compare to Manning’s. But in the only stat that ever really matters — points scored vs. points allowed — Brady’s team could end up surpassing Manning’s.”

    Two problems with this statement:
    (1) Denver Points For: 535
    New England Points For: 349
    Denver Points Against: 372
    New England Points Against: 287
    Looks like Manning is winning in the “only stat that matters” — unless you want to give Brady credit for having a better defense/ST behind/refs him, cause it’s certainly not the offense that is carrying them.

    (2) You say the voters got it right last year by giving the award to AP, who’s team had 3 less wins than the Broncos. Now all of a sudden that Brady is involved, the only stat that matters is wins, even when Brady and Manning would have the same number of wins? Is “hypocrisy” listed in your job description? If Tom Brady was not named Tom Brady and did not have the career he has had in the past, no one would be considering him for anything this year — except a possible benching.

  65. jerrett321 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:24 AM

    Patriots may have went 11-5 without Brady but they missed the playoffs. Broncos won a playoff game over the Steelers with Tebow so I dont think losing Peyton Manning would be a huge dropoff.

  66. zpizzo says: Dec 13, 2013 10:27 AM

    for everyone using the “cassel went 11-5 with the patriots” argument. In 2007-08, new england finished the season 18-1 while playing the toughest regular season schedule of any team in the nfl. In 2008-09, cassel took over the exact same team from last year with the nfl’s EASIEST schedule and only won 11 games to brady’s 18. calling brady or any quarterback a product of a system is one of the most unintelligent comments a fan of the nfl can make to discredit a quarterback. sure some systems fit better than others, but the player still needs to go out and make the plays!

  67. canedaddy says: Dec 13, 2013 10:28 AM

    You could make a good MVP case for Brees, Wilson, Foles, Megatron, Newton… but Brady? That’s a stretch.

  68. favrewillplay4ever says: Dec 13, 2013 10:28 AM

    Peyton has a LOT more talent around him while Brady has played much of the year with many a starter missing. Peytons “toys” are proven while Brady’s toys (with the exception of the injured Gronk) came from other kids yard sales or the dollar store.

  69. bonersoup says: Dec 13, 2013 10:28 AM

    Brady has had a good year but he hasn’t come close to what Payton has done. If Payton falls out of contention, look no further than what LeSean McCoy has done this year to make his case for MVP.

  70. tokyosandblaster says: Dec 13, 2013 10:28 AM

    It’s quite clear that Aaron Rodgers is the MVP. 5-2 with him, 1 win without him.

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  71. sportnorcal says: Dec 13, 2013 10:29 AM

    As a rival it pains me to admit it, but I would put Russell Wilson way up the list and far ahead of Brady.

    Having a great season.

  72. cinvis says: Dec 13, 2013 10:29 AM

    After watching how none of the other Bronco receivers could get open without him on the field, I vote for Wes Welker.

  73. biggestsaintsfanever says: Dec 13, 2013 10:30 AM

    Brees is second in voting. Brady is 5th(I think).

  74. 8to80texansblog says: Dec 13, 2013 10:30 AM

    Best Player ≠ MVP

    I think this year that Peyton has been a better player but Brady has been more valuable.

    Peyton has the Thomas’s, Decker, and Welker.

    Pats have Amendola… and ?? Gronk, sure but he’s played less than half the season.

  75. donchacho says: Dec 13, 2013 10:31 AM

    you didn’t actually argue that brady might win because his team is better? You do realize its mvp not mvt? The pats are the better team buts its irrelevant look at last year ap won and he was on a much inferior team. The mvp is all about stats, thanks for the laugh though.

  76. clarencewhorley says: Dec 13, 2013 10:31 AM

    Wow @thejabronisayz is delusional.

    The Broncos have a far more talented and healthy team that the Patriots.

    Look at the receivers, all of them would be the number 1 on the Patriots. Moreno has been a better back than any of the Pats backs this season.

    If you put Brady on the Broncos and Manning on the Patriots, Brady would be undefeated with similar if not better stats than Manning and the Manning led Patriots would have 4-5 losses.

    That said if the Eagles win out Nick Foles deserves some votes.

  77. 87hollywoodhorn says: Dec 13, 2013 10:32 AM

    ^yea if anyone deserves it other than manning its brees. should have got in 09 and 11. his arm has held up way better than brady’s. crazy that brady is in mvp discussion

  78. golfsox78 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:33 AM

    fwippel says:
    Dec 13, 2013 10:05 AM
    How would that look if the refs hadn’t handed last weeks Pats-Browns game to the Patriots?
    ————————————————–

    How would he have looked if the phantom field goal penalty against the Jets isn’t called or if the refs didn’t poop their pants and picked up the pass interference flag against on the Panthers? It goes both ways – You get some calls and then you don’t.

  79. eagleonadollarbill says: Dec 13, 2013 10:33 AM

    Peyton Manning MVP hands down. Patriots division is trash and Brady couldnt carry Peytons jim bag without his trusty ingenius coach Bill “Belli Cheat”

  80. eballa1 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:34 AM

    Brees would be the next man up. Not Brady

  81. tharoostah says: Dec 13, 2013 10:35 AM

    If the voters had any senses Jay Culter would win this award.

  82. wikidpissah says: Dec 13, 2013 10:36 AM

    The award should be renamed “Player of The Year.” It is usually given to the (offensive) player who has the most dominant year statistically.

    The MVP should be the player who’s team would drop the most in the standings should that player be missing. Using that definition it may be Aaron Rogers.

  83. Chuck Norris says: Dec 13, 2013 10:36 AM

    thejabronisayz says:
    Dec 13, 2013 9:43 AM
    New England’s success is due in large part to Brady, but it is also due to Belicheck’s system. That’s why the team still went 11-5 with Cassell as the QB. I think the biggest question is this: if you removed Brady from New England and Manning from Denver, which team would do better? I think the answer is New England, whereas Denver would not be nearly as competitive without Manning.
    _____________________________

    I completely disagree that New England minus Brady is better than Denver minus Manning. Denver has 4 players with 10+ TDs, that has never happened before. That tells me that the supporting cast in Denver is outstanding. Do you really think that Ryan Mallet, throwing to Amendola, “Dropson”, “Dropkins”, Hooman, Vereen and Minitron (not to mention Ridley putting the ball on the ground every week)
    is better than Brock Osweiler throwing to Welker, Thomas, Thomas, Decker, Caldwell, and Ball while having a solid running game that doesnt fumble?

    I say Coach of the year belongs to Belichick (though he wont win it) and MVP is Brady’s (though he wont win it), and Offensive Player of the Year is Manning.

  84. nmurray6783 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:37 AM

    You guys do realize this is mostly the same Broncos team that made the playoffs (and won a game) 2 years ago with TIM TEBOW as a QB. And actually added Welker & Thomas.

    To think they would fall apart without Manning is a joke to me.

  85. icanspeel says: Dec 13, 2013 10:37 AM

    I don’t see it… Manning currently has thrown 26 more TD’s than Brady, 26! Broncos D isn’t that great, but gets less negative attention since Manning scores so much.

  86. steelerben says: Dec 13, 2013 10:37 AM

    I’d think some consideration might need to go to someone like Luke Keuchly, too. You have Carolina in the playoff hunt after back to back abysmal seasons largely due to the defensive play. Calvin Johnson deserves a look. So does Lesean McCoy.

    It is tiresome that the quarterbacks get so much attention in the MVP balloting. Does anyone really think that a QB playing at a decent level wouldn’t put up astronomical numbers with the weapons on the Broncos offense? Does anyone really think that a Belichik team isn’t going to win games regardless of personel? Why not look at a team that did poorly last year and made a big run this year, and go with their best player?

  87. wikidpissah says: Dec 13, 2013 10:38 AM

    fwippel says: Dec 13, 2013 10:05 AM

    How would that look if the refs hadn’t handed last weeks Pats-Browns game to the Patriots?

    ———————————————–

    As long as you also reverse the two (Jets and Carolina) that the officials cost the Patriots.

  88. sportsfan18 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:39 AM

    thejabronisayz says:
    Dec 13, 2013 9:43 AM
    New England’s success is due in large part to Brady, but it is also due to Belicheck’s system. That’s why the team still went 11-5 with Cassell as the QB. I think the biggest question is this: if you removed Brady from New England and Manning from Denver, which team would do better? I think the answer is New England, whereas Denver would not be nearly as competitive without Manning.

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    Well said. Brady IS a great QB, of that there is no doubt.

    Not only did the Pats go 11 and 5 with Matt Cassel when Brady missed the season, the Colts went 2 and 14 when Manning missed the season.

    Please read carefully people, Brady is a much better QB than Cassel.

    But let’s look at Cassel’s numbers the season he led the Pats and compare them to Brady’s.

    Completion %
    Cassel completed 63.4% of his passes that yr.

    Brady has completed 63.5% of his passes for his career.

    Cassel’s career completion % is only 58.9% and again that one good season with the Pats helps his average be this high as it wouldn’t be 58.9 without that season.

    INT %
    Cassel 2.1%
    Brady 2.0%

    AGAIN, Brady is a MUCH better QB than Cassel.

    But Cassel did well with the Pats, better than he has elsewhere.

    Cassel would NOT do as well as Brady has had he been the QB for the Pats all these yrs but if he had been their QB for all these yrs, HIS numbers would be much better than they are right now.

    The point is that as great as Brady is (and he is), if he had been on say the Chiefs all these yrs, his numbers would still be good but not what they are now.

    The Colts crumbled when Manning was out and the Pats still managed 11 wins without Brady.

    Now Cassel’s career INT% is 2.8% and that is helped to be that low due to that one good season he had with the Pats or it would be higher.

  89. michael228 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:53 AM

    One plays the game the right way.

    The other complains, argues, begs for flags & yells at the refs like a baby
    Good lesson for people – if you comlain, cheat and disrespect the game you’ll be rewarded.

    ———————————————————————————-
    That’s no way to talk about Peyton.

  90. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:57 AM

    Brady would be an average QB on any other NFL team.

    —-
    Statements like this are is why I laugh at all ignorant Pats haters.

  91. speach20 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:59 AM

    the fact that people still dont believe that brady is MVP is baffling to me. when you look at the weapons peyton manning has you could brady quinn on the broncos and watch him put the same numbers up…..how about we take manning and give him what brady has and watch him throw 47 touchdowns

  92. onlysane1intheroom says: Dec 13, 2013 11:00 AM

    cjspiller12 says:
    Dec 13, 2013 9:50 AM

    Even Matt Cassell put up stats in the New England “system”. Brady would be an average QB on any other NFL team.
    ___________________________

    That argument is tired, and flat out wrong contextually. Cassell went 11-5 with a team and players that the year before won 18 straight games and came within a miracle catch of winning the Super Bowl.

    Wonder how “average” Brady would make the Bills? I’d even bet you’d sniff the playoffs a year or two.

  93. shenanigans24 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:04 AM

    One plays the game the right way.

    The other complains, argues, begs for flags & yells at the refs like a baby.

    Good lesson for people – if you comlain, cheat and disrespect the game you’ll be rewarded.
    ———————————————-
    One guy throws his offensive line under the bus at press conferences, complains about the schedule and has his GM change the rules in the NFL

    The other guy takes the blame for every loss and plays in the elements with no complaints.

    Good lesson for people- if your a whiny dome QB who never hands the ball off you’ll get MVP’s

  94. dboldave says: Dec 13, 2013 11:04 AM

    Who really cares about MVP? I never understand the fascination with who wins a meaningless award. People care about championships, not who a bunch of writers think is the best player.

  95. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:09 AM

    I hope Brady does win the MVP.

    If for no other reason than to giggle at the Pats haters drooling and frothing at the mouth. It would be a goldmine of entertainment!

  96. shenanigans24 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:10 AM

    Fun fact:

    Denver #22 in defense

    NE #25 in defense

    The records have everything to do with “big game” Peyton tossing interceptions at the right times.

  97. bullcharger says: Dec 13, 2013 11:11 AM

    thejabronisayz says:Dec 13, 2013 9:43 AM

    New England’s success is due in large part to Brady, but it is also due to Belicheck’s system. That’s why the team still went 11-5 with Cassell as the QB. I think the biggest question is this: if you removed Brady from New England and Manning from Denver, which team would do better? I think the answer is New England, whereas Denver would not be nearly as competitive without Manning.

    ———————-

    I’ve said this before, but think about the Cassel year in a different way. Brady went 16-0 with the same team the year before. That’s a 5 win difference from what Cassel did. That is basically the same as 10-6 vs 5-11. the Patriots missed the playoffs in 2008 also.

  98. bostonian13 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:14 AM

    The problem is….the people who vote only care about numbers and not what the person has done for their team as a whole. You can argue about Brady and the Belichick system but at the end of the day Belichick isn’t on the field, it’s Brady. And Brady doesn’t play defense or block himself.

  99. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:14 AM

    The Colts crumbled when Manning was out and the Pats still managed 11 wins without Brady.

    —-

    The only possible, logical and sensible conclusion to draw from that?

    Matt Cassell >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky

    Matt Cassell also did go to a Pro Bowl. #justsayin

  100. cjspiller12 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:20 AM

    brazzz01 says:Dec 13, 2013 10:57 AM

    Brady would be an average QB on any other NFL team.

    —-
    Statements like this are is why I laugh at all ignorant Pats haters.
    ________________________________
    Because it’s the truth.

  101. lavaccaflockaflame says: Dec 13, 2013 11:22 AM

    Ok so jus hear this out the patriots lost on defense Vince wilfork Herod mayo tommy Kelly a hobbled talib on offense there is no welker there is no hernandez there is no Brandon Lloyd or gronkowski there is rookies and a “Wes welker replacement” that can’t stay on the field there top wr was a qb in college there starting rb can’t hold into the football … The broncos have 3-5 pro bowlers on the offense in skill positions (d.thomas j.thomas w.welker k.moreno e.decker) but wait hold on the pats are currently the one seed in the afc? You can’t make up that story let’s be serious Brady’s season is more impressive wether u hate em or love em .. Manning gonna have best season ever for qb numbers wise but at the end of the day wins jus mean more ..manning is dan Marino with a ring and Brady is montana with stats

  102. bullcharger says: Dec 13, 2013 11:22 AM

    eballa1 says:Dec 13, 2013 10:34 AM

    Brees would be the next man up. Not Brady

    —————

    Brees has absolutely no chance.

  103. psousa1 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:30 AM

    Brady will not win it but if you just had any other QB on the pats would .500

  104. bullcharger says: Dec 13, 2013 11:31 AM

    fwippel says:Dec 13, 2013 10:05 AM

    How would that look if the refs hadn’t handed last weeks Pats-Browns game to the Patriots?

    ————-

    That isn’t close to true. The Browns collapsed and didn’t stop Brady from scoring the first TD of the comback after playing great defense the whole game. Then they didn’t recover the onside kick which is a complete disaster. Sure, a call went the Patriots way, but Brady still had the ball with time to score, and the fact that the Patriots scored so quickly actually gave the Browns 35 seconds to with the game they may not have had. Of course the Browns blew that too.

  105. psousa1 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:34 AM

    Pardon my truncated English. If the pats had any other QB they would probably be a .500 team.

    Home field, top seed, bottom seed I don’t think will matter in the AFC this year. Any of the 6 seeds could win the conference – whomever they may be. Nobody has a clear cut advantage like Seattle does in the NFC.

  106. jovenaromadio says: Dec 13, 2013 11:34 AM

    Stats r 4 losers, remember 2007? Im a pats fan but who cares about the records we want the SB!

  107. RE LEE says: Dec 13, 2013 11:35 AM

    They can hand the MVP to Peyton because he has the stats to deserve it. We pats fan are just thankful we have Brady as our qb. Win or lose he is our own MVP for carrying the team on his back and fighting to eke out wins in hopeless situations. I watched the bronco- charger game last night and I can’t help but wonder how Brady does it. I fear for our team because we are clobbered with injuries. MVP awards from a handful of persons is the least of our concern right now…. Had Wes been healthy it could have helped the broncos; Woody another ex-pats played well for the chargers. It would have been fun to see these guys play against each other. I like Peyton but it was a revelation to see Rivers do the interview. Man, can this guy talk. He dominated the conversation. It was fun to watch him talk. Guys… Just enjoy the games. Both Brady and Peyton will be in the hof. For sure…

  108. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:40 AM

    Tebow: 1 playoff win for the Broncos
    Manning: 0

    #justsayin

  109. footballchic777 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:40 AM

    There are many other MVP options besides those 2!

  110. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:44 AM

    like Peyton but it was a revelation to see Rivers do the interview
    —-

    I became a Rivers fan after his gritty performance in the 2007 AFC Championship game. Compare that to Ladyann Tomlinson sitting on the bench in that game pouting behind his dark visor.

  111. peymax1693 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:44 AM

    Assuming that Manning breaks the records from TD passes and yards in a season, having Brady be MVP would be like awarding last year’s AL MVP to someone other than Miguel Cabrera. I don’t know about that.

  112. dlbpatsfan says: Dec 13, 2013 11:50 AM

    As much as I love Brady and the Pats, Manning definitely deservers the MVP award this year. Anyone else makes no sense to me, look at what the guy is doing.

  113. mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports says: Dec 13, 2013 11:52 AM

    Brady for MVP? Why? Because the Pats have won 10 games against a weak schedule? It certainly can’t be based of his weak stats. Andy Dalton is having a better season. Not saying he should be MVP, I’m just showing how ridiculous it is to say Brady should be MVP. They needed help from the refs to beat the Browns at Gilette! The Bengals should be ahead of them for a BYE.

  114. dallasstars9 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:00 PM

    Passing Rating for Manning – 112
    Passing Rating for Brady – 88

    Yards for Manning – 4811
    Yards for Brady – 3685

    TDs for Manning – 47
    TDs for Brady – 21

    Completion % for Manning – 67.8
    Completion % for Brady – 60.8

    I am not sure what the argument is…

  115. mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports says: Dec 13, 2013 12:12 PM

    Also, as to the Brady/Cassel stuff, Pats fans keep saying “but Brady was 18-1 with the same team Cassel was 11-5 with”. By that logic, what was Brady’s record the year after Cassel went 11-5? Oh yeah, Brady went 10-6 in 2009.

  116. cospgsmadman says: Dec 13, 2013 12:13 PM

    Brady ?!!! NO WAY !!!!

  117. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:27 PM

    I’ve said this before, but think about the Cassel year in a different way. Brady went 16-0 with the same team the year before. That’s a 5 win difference from what Cassel did. That is basically the same as 10-6 vs 5-11. the Patriots missed the playoffs in 2008 also.
    —————-

    The Pats going 11-5 with Cassel in 2008 is irrelevant. The Broncos won a playoff game with freakin’ TEBOW. Not with Manning. #justsayin #factsarefacts #umadbro

    So all this talk about how bad the Broncos would be without Manning… that bird just don’t fly.

  118. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:31 PM

    Tebow won a playoff game for the Broncos.

    Why can’t Manning?

    Hmmm….

  119. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:37 PM

    Because it’s the truth.

    ————–

    Fantasy and wishful thinking sadly just doesn’t make it so.

  120. whoknowsnothing says: Dec 13, 2013 12:46 PM

    Dolphins always give Brady are hard time and this week they could actually beat Brady and his bunch.

  121. seattlelibtard says: Dec 13, 2013 12:48 PM

    OK, I’ll say it. I can’t stand watching Manning play. It seems like every play, he’s flapping his arms like a seagull and changing the play. No other QB gets away with that much movement. After the snap, his leg hop dance looks ridiculous, then he throws the most wobbly passes. I’ll admit, his passes are accurate, but they are also very ugly.

    The MVP should go to this year’s officiating crews for decidedly changing the outcomes of the games.

  122. candidad389 says: Dec 13, 2013 1:12 PM

    Some of the irrational posts on here are hilarious. First off, anyone who is saying “well Manning has all of these weapons…Decker, Welker, Moreno, the Thomas’s,” please think about what you are saying. We all know what Welker is capable of from his time in NE. However, he is having a worse statistical season than any with Brady (except for TDs). Decker has shown signs of greatness in the past, but he has benefitted greatly from playing with Manning (as has Moreno, whom everyone was calling a bust until Manning arrived in Denver). D Thomas I will give you that, he is a beast, but who the heck was Julius Thomas before this year? No one that anyone knew. I am simply saying, great QBs make their receivers, backs, etc. better (that includes Brady…he will throw for over 4,000 yards again and probably throw 25+ TDs because he makes his receivers better as well). Neither team has a defense, so really the success of both lies almost solely on their offenses, which Manning’s has been nothing short of the greatest statistical QB in NFL history this year. Give credit where it is due, Manning is having a much superior year than any other, and when it is all said and done, should have the best statistical season in history. MVP=most valuable player…it was clear that when Gronk was playing he was the most valuable player in NE, not Brady. Without Manning the Broncos are a 3 to 5 win team if they are lucky. Manning=MVP. There is really and honestly no competition if the voting is done right.

  123. forsbergler says: Dec 13, 2013 1:12 PM

    The funny thing is Pats fans actual think there a chance of this happening. Still delusional, it will be fun watching this team go 1 and done in front of the home crowd this year.

  124. Mr. Wright 212 says: Dec 13, 2013 1:23 PM

    Not when the Patriots are about to lose to the Fins.

  125. peymax1693 says: Dec 13, 2013 1:35 PM

    I love how many Pats fans are saying that if Brady had Welker back he would be putting up numbers like Manning. I guess they forgot most of them were saying Welker wouldn’t be missed because Amendola was an upgrade. Well, which is it?

  126. abel660 says: Dec 13, 2013 1:40 PM

    Pats have been cheated a lot this year its the pats against the world this year with gronk going to be out more games he has played ridley fumbling vereen out majority of the year brady passing to rookies and undrafted players the two best players on their D to get hurt and brady to put the pats where they are now is unbelieveable

    Brady is a for sure MVP if you dont think so because manning has three GREAT wrs a great rb then you are crazy the stats say manning but if you put manning on the pats he wont have brady’s records or stats they would be worse you put brady where manning is he would have already broken the record and be undefeated…

    If you hate brady thats fine but you cant disrespect what he has done so far this season with this injury filled team and cast offs

  127. peymax1693 says: Dec 13, 2013 1:45 PM

    dallasstars9 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:00 PM

    Passing Rating for Manning – 112
    Passing Rating for Brady – 88

    Yards for Manning – 4811
    Yards for Brady – 3685

    TDs for Manning – 47
    TDs for Brady – 21

    Completion % for Manning – 67.8
    Completion % for Brady – 60.8

    I am not sure what the argument is…

    Apparently, it’s that Manning’s ungodly stats have translated into a disappointing 11-3 record, while Brady’s pedestrian stats have resulted in a surprising 10-3 record. Oh, that and the fact that Brady plays defense better than Manning.

  128. tominma says: Dec 13, 2013 1:50 PM

    If the Pats finish with 12 wins, it should be a slam dunk for Bray as MVP and Belichick as Coach of the Year. Both of them held this team together in the face of adversity from Day 1.

    The Pats actually should be 12 – 1 right now were it not for the refs! Against the Browns, REMEMBER, the DB NEVER looked back and the contact happened when the ball was in the air. Contact is allowed ONLY if the DB is making a play for the ball!

    Against the Panthers, the ball was uncatchable because the defender tackled the intended receiver away from the intended target zone! HE never made a play for the ball.

    Against the Jets, the refs were made aware of the “pushing” before the game, and also during the game, by the Jets. The Pats reminded the officials too, regarding the Jets. Yet the refs waited until the game turning play to call it.

    The refs shouldn’t be deciding games in the last minutes UNLESS it is obvious and enough to affect the outcome. The refs are blowing more and more calls every year.

  129. bigwii says: Dec 13, 2013 2:08 PM

    Is amazing how biased and hypocritical all you critics are when it comes to Brady. It is ridiculous how most if you don’t even know what MVP stands for. Brady for MVP!

  130. itsfootballfolks says: Dec 13, 2013 2:23 PM

    When Brady set the touchdown record there were “Running Up the Score” headlines just about every week on PFT, I seem to remember.

    Why have there been no “Running Up the Score” headlines this year?

  131. peymax1693 says: Dec 13, 2013 2:28 PM

    nmurray6783 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:37 AM

    You guys do realize this is mostly the same Broncos team that made the playoffs (and won a game) 2 years ago with TIM TEBOW as a QB. And actually added Welker & Thomas.

    To think they would fall apart without Manning is a joke to me.

    This year’s defense doesn’t remotely compare to 2011′s defense. The Broncos won as many games as they did in 2011 thanks to their defense. That has clearly not been the case this year.

  132. Mr. Wright 212 says: Dec 13, 2013 2:28 PM

    itsfootballfolks says: Dec 13, 2013 2:23 PM

    When Brady set the touchdown record there were “Running Up the Score” headlines just about every week on PFT, I seem to remember.

    Why have there been no “Running Up the Score” headlines this year?
    ——————-

    Because they aren’t running up the score. See how simple that was? You Patriots fans all have your heads so far up Brady’s rec. canal that you can’t see anything but his duodenum.

  133. jr4real says: Dec 13, 2013 2:49 PM

    As a Steeler fan I’m no fan of the Patriots. But hands down I would take Brady over Manning any contest. All these people posting stats. Who cares. Manning can’t adjust if a team takes away his time in the pocket and keep a big time of possession advantage. Brady on the other hand can score against any defense and can do it quickly if needed.

    I can’t see why Manning is even in the conversation. He is just a media darling.

  134. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 3:01 PM

    Tebow would have beaten the Ravens in Denver.

    Why can’t Manning?

    #Under500InThePlayoffsLOL

  135. rythestunner says: Dec 13, 2013 3:05 PM

    I’m not a fan of either team, but why might Brady steal the MVP? He’s not even in Top 5 in yards, has a relatively abysmal (for him) QB rating of 88.3, and the team he plays for isn’t even any better than the Broncos.

    The ONLY stat that Brady is superior in is Interceptions thrown, and he only has that advantage by 1 interception. Manning has thrown twice as many touchdowns, and essentially crushes Brady in every other measurable QB stat.

    So WHY should Brady win the MVP? Why should he even be in the Top 3 in voting?

  136. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 3:11 PM

    So WHY should Brady win the MVP? Why should he even be in the Top 3 in voting?
    —–

    If the MVP is a stat award (and it probably is) then yep, Brady isn’t in the conversation.

    If the MVP is really for the most “valuable” player then that’s a different story.

    The Broncos would be a good team with Brock Osweiler being protected behind a tremendous OL and throwing passes to Thomas, Decker, Welker and Moreno running the ball. Not as good as with Manning but still good.

    Without Brady the Pats are not thinking about the playoffs, they are thinking about what number to give Clowney next year.

    Facts.

  137. winstonjed44 says: Dec 13, 2013 3:15 PM

    The mvp has always gone to the player who has been the best player/ had the most impressive season. Obviously both Brady and Manning are both extremely valuable to their teams, and frankly it’s impossible to measure how valuable they are to their teams. It’s not who did more with less, Manning deserves to win.

  138. audge86 says: Dec 13, 2013 3:15 PM

    Manning is playing incredibly well, obviously. His stats are fantastic and he’s doing great. Opoy by far. But most valuable? Not so sure when his line up includes welker, Decker, Thomas, thomas and Moreno. This is the line up Tebow took to the postseason, plus a couple great new players. Manning still lost the head to head battle.

    Russell Wilson won’t win, his defense is amazing and marshawn lynch is a beast

    Brady is on a patchwork team right now. It’s almost funny how bad it is. They’ve lost like half of their defensive starters. Gronk has hardly played. Welker is gone. Hernandez just had to kill people. Woodhead is gone. Vereen was out most of the year. Ridley is fumbly. their second round draft pick wr has been out (Dobson). Brady has led a game winning drive in the last 3 games. Oh and their oline has sucked and Brady spends a lot of time on the ground.

    Out of context, Manning has it based on stats. But watching games and looking at injury losses, I would go for brady. I can’t believe how they’ve won with the injuries

  139. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 3:21 PM

    Picked off…LOOK OUT… gets past Manning.. and it’s TRACY PORTER TAKING IT ALL THE WAY! TOUCHDOWN NEW ORLEANS!

  140. mmason0071 says: Dec 13, 2013 4:42 PM

    Isn’t it cute to watch the old fogies fight over an award that obviously belongs to Russell
    Wilson. Put either of the old farts behind the offensive line Wlson had to work with most of the year and they would have retired by the third week of the season.

  141. sactogary says: Dec 13, 2013 4:44 PM

    Ferdinand says: Dec 13, 2013 9:38 AM

    If the Most Valuable Player is the player who losing would most hurt the team rather than just who is having a great year – the the MVP is clearly Aaron Rodgers.
    ———————————————-
    But it isn’t. You can give someone an award for what they probably would have done.

  142. sactogary says: Dec 13, 2013 4:46 PM

    *can’t

  143. dcpatfan says: Dec 13, 2013 5:09 PM

    peymax1693 says:
    Dec 13, 2013 1:35 PM
    I love how many Pats fans are saying that if Brady had Welker back he would be putting up numbers like Manning. I guess they forgot most of them were saying Welker wouldn’t be missed because Amendola was an upgrade. Well, which is it?

    2 6
    ___________________________________
    Str8 Troll..Not one of these posts mentions if Tom had welker back…and last i checked Edelman is leading wes in receptions and a deadheat in yardage. Amendola may or may not workout but the bottomline is The Patriot Way next man up mentality works.

  144. listenup823 says: Dec 13, 2013 5:25 PM

    6 of the Patriot wins have been by 3 points or less.. They could easily be 4-9 right now

  145. seattlesue427 says: Dec 13, 2013 7:07 PM

    Any discussion of MVP that doesn’t include Russell Wilson is just so much crap. He’s a leader in every sense of the word and to be able to do what he’s done in his second season is nothing short of incredible!

  146. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 7:15 PM

    Regarding Wilson. Arguably the most fun player in the NFL to watch… which is not a criteria for MVP

    I suspect a lot of QB’s would win games for the Seahawks with that defense and a beast like Marshawn carrying the rock…

    But I am a fan, and I think he will get at least one MVP someday.

  147. brazzz01 says: Dec 13, 2013 7:16 PM

    6 of the Patriot wins have been by 3 points or less.. They could easily be 4-9 right now

    ——-
    Could also easily be 12-1 or possibly 13-0. That logic works both ways.

  148. castleanthrax says: Dec 13, 2013 7:29 PM

    You have no ‘value’ on the shelf. I get the argument but no value on the shelf, just the way it is.

    All in all these QB’s and this Pats fan would prefer the Lombardi trophy anyway.

  149. jesusmhdz says: Dec 13, 2013 7:40 PM

    If Foles were playing with the Pats and having the same record, he would be a good Qb having somewhat a good season.

    However, if Brady were having the season Foles is having and that one-loss record when starting he would undoubtley be considered for MVP. I know Brady has been w/o weapons but since Gronkowski was back he seemed like the good Brady, not like the sloppy Qb he looked the weeks before. E.g. just look at the Pats – Bengals game.

    Lets just see how Brady plays against Miami before we lose ourselves with this MVP talk.

  150. lanman11 says: Dec 13, 2013 9:39 PM

    I asked Tom about which one he wanted and he said the same thing he’s said the last 14 seasons……”I’ll take the Super Bowl.”

  151. themagicalrighttestical says: Dec 13, 2013 11:15 PM

    Each QB will win the only award that matters to them. Manning the MVP and Brady the Super Bowl MVP

  152. seattlesue427 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:45 PM

    The arguments against Wilson always seem to mention that the Seahawks have a great defense and a beast of a running back, great special teams, and an amazing kicker, etc…. Just because he plays on a well-balanced team, should that preclude him from winning MVP? The only reason Manning and Brady are even in the running is because passing is almost their entire game. Wilson for MVP!

  153. All-American Voltron says: Dec 13, 2013 11:49 PM

    There’s the statistical reason for being voted MVP, and then the bigger picture of doing more with less. Adrian sort of did both last year, and Peyton has the stat one nailed this year, but it really can’t be understated how remarkable Tom Brady is this year. it’s like the early 2000′s again, Brady with no-name receivers!

  154. tigerlilac says: Dec 14, 2013 3:42 AM

    Sorry, but Brady is underrated, especially by a large segment of the media and fans that try to dismiss or diminish his accomplishments. Stats are for losers. Charges that Brady’s teams cheated are for losers. Blaming the refs is for losers. Comparing him to players that have never won an NFL title are for losers. Winning is for winners. Brady has won more games than any other quarterback over the last 10 years. He has a winning record against every NFL team. He makes other players better and his team is never out of a game, even when down by 11 points, without the ball, with less than 3 minutes on the clock. Not only will he be a first ballot hall of famer, he is arguably the best quarterback of all-time.

  155. bcgreg says: Dec 14, 2013 9:28 AM

    If Manning breaks the record, he wins. If he doesn’t break the record and the Pats get the # 1 seed, then Brady wins. If he doesn’t break the record and Denver gets the # 1 seed, it’s 50-50 leaning toward Manning. And, I’m a Pats fan.

  156. Mr. Wright 212 says: Dec 14, 2013 2:35 PM

    bcgreg says: Dec 14, 2013 9:28 AM

    If Manning breaks the record, he wins. If he doesn’t break the record and the Pats get the # 1 seed, then Brady wins. If he doesn’t break the record and Denver gets the # 1 seed, it’s 50-50 leaning toward Manning. And, I’m a Pats fan.
    ———————–

    Logic from a Pats fan? It CAN’T be. But I agree fully.

  157. marlinjackson82 says: Dec 14, 2013 4:18 PM

    Peyton is 4 TD away from his 5th MVP. All every intelligent football fan needs to know is that Peyton is 1st in DYAR (Advanced Cumulative Stat for QB) and Tom is 9th behind Rodgers who missed so many games

  158. brazzz01 says: Dec 14, 2013 4:57 PM

    Logic from a Pats fan? It CAN’T be. But I agree fully.
    —–

    Don’t forget. You can’t spell ELIminated without ELI!

  159. brazzz01 says: Dec 14, 2013 4:59 PM

    Just because he plays on a well-balanced team, should that preclude him from winning MVP?

    —-
    And you just made an argument against him. MVP is supposed to go to the “Most Valuable Player”.

    Not sure I agree that Wilson is more valuable to the Seahawks this year than Manning is the Broncos, Brady is to the Pats, Brees is to the Saints, etc.

  160. brazzz01 says: Dec 14, 2013 5:01 PM

    he is arguably the best quarterback of all-time.

    ——–
    Not yet. Not when two guys ahead of him have more rings (and 0 losses) in the Super Bowl.

    Brady needs to win one more to get to the top IMO.

  161. taintedsaints2009 says: Dec 14, 2013 5:16 PM

    i just dont see the pats doing anything without Gronk on offense. I see them as a one and done team with no Gronk.

    Patriots need to do some serious WR/TE recruiting this offseason. Gronk won’t be ready until mid season, if ever. their WR corps is just unreliable becaue they are all constantly injured.

  162. Mr. Wright 212 says: Dec 14, 2013 5:39 PM

    brazzz01 says: Dec 14, 2013 4:57 PM

    Logic from a Pats fan? It CAN’T be. But I agree fully.
    —–

    Don’t forget. You can’t spell ELIminated without ELI!
    ———————

    As long as the Patriots can’t beat the Giants when it counts, Patriots fans cannot talk to me. You seem to be the only one of them who hasn’t learned.

  163. mayers59 says: Dec 14, 2013 5:51 PM

    @brazzz01

    Please don’t put Terry Bradshaw up there as one of the best of all time. Montana yes, Bradshaw no. Yes Brady has 2 losses in the SB, but he has been there 5 times.

  164. bcgreg says: Dec 14, 2013 5:56 PM

    Mr. Wright 212 says:
    Dec 14, 2013 5:39 PM

    As long as the Patriots can’t beat the Giants when it counts, Patriots fans cannot talk to me. You seem to be the only one of them who hasn’t learned.

    —————–

    But you agreed with a logical Pats fan? Want more logic? Eli didn’t beat the Pats in those 2 SBs. The Giants defense did. All the credit to them. Eli as the MVP of the SB was a joke. Should have been the D-line in both SBs. I just can’t stand when people want to throw Eli’s name into the mix with his brother, Brady, Brees, Rodgers. Sorry, but Eli is not in the same area code as those guys. If winning a SB was the criteria, then the pro Eli guys must think Trent Dilfer, Mark Rypien, and Jeff Hostetler are in the same class as Peyton, Brady, et al.

  165. bcgreg says: Dec 14, 2013 5:59 PM

    @ mayers59

    AND, Brady has been to two other AFCCGs (2006 at Indy and last year against Baltimore–losing to the 2 teams that eventually won the SB those years).

  166. Mr. Wright 212 says: Dec 14, 2013 6:15 PM

    Whatever helps you sleep at night, kid. Eli made the throws, the defense did their job, and again, Patriots fans cannot talk to me. Always have to give backhanded compliments and try to qualify things when they lose. Two clean titles beats three Spygate-aided ones. Good night.

  167. brazzz01 says: Dec 14, 2013 6:19 PM

    As long as the Patriots can’t beat the Giants when it counts, Patriots fans cannot talk to me. You seem to be the only one of them who hasn’t learned.
    ———-

    Translation: Yes I love living in the past!

    You Giants fans seem to enjoy living in the past a lot for some reaosn. I prefer to live in the present. This is 2013. You really need to get with the times. In 2013 my team is competing for the #1 seed in the conference, and your team, well, stinks. To put it politely.

    So you should be honest and admit it. Admit your team reeks. Admit your team doesn’t belong on the same field as the Patriots. Admit your team has no business even being mentioned in the same breath as the Patriots. Admit that Eli is not an elite QB, and that it’s laughable that anyone ever thought he was.

    Admit it. Own it. Wear it. Love it.

  168. brazzz01 says: Dec 14, 2013 6:21 PM

    Please don’t put Terry Bradshaw up there as one of the best of all time. Montana yes, Bradshaw no. Yes Brady has 2 losses in the SB, but he has been there 5 times.
    —-
    I am no steeler fan but Bradshaw still has 1 more ring than Tom. So does Montana.

    The point is Brady can’t be the GOAT in my opinion if there are two guys ahead of him with 4 rings. One more and yes, he’ll be up there.

  169. brazzz01 says: Dec 14, 2013 6:23 PM

    Whatever helps you sleep at night, kid. Eli made the throws, the defense did their job, and again, Patriots fans cannot talk to me. Always have to give backhanded compliments and try to qualify things when they lose. Two clean titles beats three Spygate-aided ones. Good night.

    —-

    Translation: I love remembering the time that my team used to be good because now they’re a laughingstock.

    Yup. Living in the past. Comical….

  170. beachsidejames says: Dec 14, 2013 8:15 PM

    The pats win as team and brady is their leader. He is definatly in the running and if they win it all he gets mvp hands down. Best qb over the last 10 yrs and still very strong arm. That is the difference between these two. Equal in every talent catagory except the arm. Brady’s the man…problems for Tom tommorrow though. Fins 27 Pats 17

  171. dualprime says: Dec 14, 2013 8:38 PM

    Marsha isn’t winning MVP this year or any other. he’ll bee one a done, even if they do luck into the #1 seed.

  172. frostymugobeer says: Dec 14, 2013 8:44 PM

    Brady and the Pats are 3 very lucky plays away from being a 7-6 team….no way Brady gets MVP
    NO way the Pats get to the SB…..that’s the facts jack !

  173. tigerlilac says: Dec 14, 2013 10:51 PM

    Lucky?

    Luck is defined as success or failure apparently brought by chance rather than through one’s own actions. Probability is the chance that something will happen or how likely it is that some event will happen.

    Over a statistical sample of 39 games or more luck goes away and probability takes over. Brady played 16 games a year. Over the last 10 years (11 years less the one year he was injured) that is 160 regular season games. In those 160 games Brady has more wins than any other NFL team. He also has a winning record against every NFL team. That is not luck. Brady wins because he is better than his competition.

  174. daveperry7859 says: Dec 15, 2013 9:19 AM

    no way Jamal Charles should be mvp! no one has done more for their team than him, he has the ball 38% of the time. always with the qb for mvp. there are other players out there who should get the recognition. MVP is some one that is most valuable to the league, and that would be Charles the most used, bet rb in the league. might as well change it to most valuable quarterback!

  175. jasonculhane says: Dec 15, 2013 11:11 AM

    The only other player besides Manning that diserves the MVP is McCoy. Charles is doing great, but McCoy has been real dominant. He’s put the Eagles on his back the whole season and if they win this week with another solid performance he should talked about.

  176. Mr. Wright 212 says: Dec 15, 2013 4:16 PM

    Like I said all week, Fins would win. And stop talking about Brady as MVP. That ended today.

  177. dualprime says: Dec 15, 2013 9:17 PM

    dualprime says:
    Dec 14, 2013 8:38 PM
    Marsha isn’t winning MVP this year or any other. he’ll bee one a done, even if they do luck into the #1 seed.
    ———————-
    Told you!

  178. tommynatorii says: Dec 16, 2013 2:28 PM

    MVP for the Fins with that last second pick he threw!

  179. dedicatedhawkfan says: Dec 16, 2013 4:59 PM

    2001asterisk2003asterisk2004asterisk says:
    Dec 13, 2013 9:26 AM
    ” … The other complains, argues, begs for flags & yells at the refs like a baby.”
    ___
    sounds like an accurate description of Manning and Brady.

    Wilson for MVP!!

  180. brazzz01 says: Dec 16, 2013 7:48 PM

    I think Eli(nt) should get MVP.

    When you throw 25 ints in 3/4 of a season you’ve done your part to help a team win. Even if it isn’t your team…

    #lolgiantsfans

  181. bartpkelly says: Dec 17, 2013 12:38 AM

    The problem with MVP is it is was “Peyton’s to lose” from week 1 basically. Like the Heisman and college football rankings, you need to wait until at least the halfway point to start making declarations like that.

    Also, QBs have a HUGE advantage. Look at what KC would be without J.Charles or Seattle without Wilson? Wilson battled injuries on his team and has less than great WRs like Brady. His stats are not at Peyton’s level but he, like Brady, is getting his team in position for homefield advantage and best record in the league playing the 49ers, Cardinals and Rams twice, the Saints, and the Panthers also. Not the Raiders and Bills and Jets.

  182. Mr. Wright 212 says: Dec 17, 2013 1:02 PM

    And, unlike New England, which is very beatable in post-Spygate years, no one is beating the Seahawks at home.

  183. Frazier28/7 says: Dec 17, 2013 1:29 PM

    Much like Peyton stole it from Favre in ’09

  184. Mr. Wright 212 says: Dec 17, 2013 1:34 PM

    Frazier28/7 says: Dec 17, 2013 1:29 PM

    Much like Peyton stole it from Favre in ’09
    —————

    Who made it to the Super Bowl (and had THAT “stolen from them?”) Favre wasn’t robbed of anything.

  185. salutethis says: Dec 18, 2013 6:44 AM

    Lol! Gimme a break! Peyton should have won this award last year and these guys that “got it right” just watched a team without AP bitch slap a Eagles team that was playing well… Cause without AP there the team is less predictable and tougher to game plan against… Huh, so the team is getting better without AP less that one year after that pr machine bogarts the award and now some moron wants to do it again? Figures.. I think somebody just wants to say Peyton already got the award and he should never get it again. No offense but if you are gonna base giving the mvp award to a guy who pulls out wins against weak teams with miracle bounces and very questionable penalties called, why didn’t Tebow get the award? I mean this looks like the same thing that happened except that it is Tom Brady so the sports writer homers and “logical” fans are gonna say its justified… gimme a break!

  186. brazzz01 says: Dec 18, 2013 10:20 AM

    And, unlike New England, which is very beatable in post-Spygate years, no one is beating the Seahawks at home.

    Do you think Eli(nt) and the Giants will ever make the playoffs again now that they no longer cheat with their embarrassing and disgraceful fake injuries?

    I say no.

    Discuss.

  187. annes22 says: Dec 18, 2013 10:46 AM

    Why does Brady deserve MVP?? So he’s got injuries, just like every other team, and yet we hear about the Patriots all the time. It’s boring listening to it. Peyton deserves MVP.

  188. Mr. Wright 212 says: Dec 18, 2013 12:15 PM

    brazzz01: Did you really skip 2nd lunch at your school to spend the hour trolling in the library? Have we not established that I couldn’t care less about the Giants’ failures right now? I don’t live vicariously through them like you do the Cheats. Your pithy attempts at “trash talk” falls on deaf ears. Save the keystrokes.

    The point was made.

    The Fins won. Brady does not deserve MVP. Peyton, Russ, Jamaal Charles or even your nemesis Richard Sherman could be more viable candidates than Brady. Hell, even Tannehill, for what he’s done with that dysfunctional bunch.

    Next time stay on topic, ya little ADHD nitwit.

  189. siaaa says: Dec 18, 2013 12:48 PM

    as a long time Charger fan I have to say that Ive never feared Manning because we’ve always kicked his ass but when it comes to playing Brady, he scares the hell out of me. There isn’t a single coach or GM or owner in this league that would take manning over Brady even at this point in their careers. that includes the bronco’s organization. one is simply a winner and the other is a choke that cant play in big games or cold games (this is a sensitive subject with Peyton) which is what he’ll have to do come playoffs.

  190. brazzz01 says: Dec 18, 2013 4:34 PM

    Interesting. It seems that a former Giants player is actually on record as admitting that the fake injury tactic was TAUGHT to them by the Giants defensive coordinator.

    Wow.

    #dirtyfilthycheaters
    #2taintedchampionships
    #2asterisks
    #disgraceful

    And the Giants haven’t made the playoffs since this tactic was stopped. HMMMMM….I wonder why.

  191. mikejkc2002 says: Dec 19, 2013 5:37 PM

    Brady will steal the MVP just like he and the NFL stole the Superbowl from the Raiders.

    But he’ll choke again in the post season. Book it.

  192. brazzz01 says: Dec 19, 2013 8:24 PM

    mikejkc2002 says: Dec 19, 2013 5:37 PM

    Brady will steal the MVP just like he and the NFL stole the Superbowl from the Raiders.

    But he’ll choke again in the post season. Book it.

    —————–
    *cough*roughingthepasser*cough*

    #karma

  193. coolherc says: Dec 20, 2013 5:54 PM

    thereisfootballwestofjersey says:
    Dec 13, 2013 9:28 AM

    Game on the line and #18 throws a pick. Sound familiar?

    ————————————————–

    Yes. Sounds like Tom Brady (see Carolina and Miami).

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