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Irvin, Deion debate D.C. dysfunction

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Last night’s NFL Network pregame show included a lively discussion regarding the still-unfolding situation in Washington.

Former Cowboys teammates Michael Irvin and Deion Sanders argued about the treatment Robert Griffin III has received in Washington.

Deion, who once received a lot of money from the Redskins organization and who quit after Marty Schottenheimer was hired to be the head coach, believes that Griffin “needed a little humble pie,” and that his benching for the balance of the season will give it to him.

Irvin disagreed.  Strongly.

“I’ve always spoke highly and thought highly of Mike Shanahan,” Irvin said.  “Check the tapes, go back as far as you want.  But I’m so disappointed with what I’m seeing. . . . This is personal, and I don’t care what you say.  And there’s no way you sit your quarterback, RGIII, in his second season.  We already know that Cam Newton went through a second season that wasn’t quite what it is, and look at what Cam is doing now.  It is amazing to me.

“And here’s something nobody’s talking about.  This is the third person that Mike Shanahan has had an issue with that was a star player for the Washington Redskins.  I understand, coaches come in and they want to grab control.  And they usually go after a star player to get control.  Donovan [McNabb], Albert Haynesworth.  Say what you will, say what you will.  And now RGIII.

“RGIII’s handling it the best he can.  Donovan said something like this was going to go down.  So I’m not giving Mike Shanahan a pass when someone predicted what’s happening right now to this young man.  You are tearing him down!”

I added the exclamation point for a reason.  By the time he got to that sentence, Irvin was worked up and animated and yelling.

“I doubt that any man can come back from this, walking around three weeks around these guys that you have to lead,” Irvin said.  “And I don’t want to hear about teammates either, [Deion].  I understand that.  We understand as teammates and players, quarterbacks do get special treatment.  You don’t see people arguing when Peyton Manning gets it or Tom Brady gets it.   I don’t want you arguing when this kid gets it.  He’s the quarterback, and the rest of us brothers have to understand that and treat him as such.  I got an issue with all of it.”

Deion remained amazingly calm in the face of Irvin passionate remarks.

“Peyton Manning and Tom Brady won Super Bowls, that’s the difference,” Deion said.

“And you got to give this kid, he’s only in his second year, time to get there and win a Super Bowl,” Irvin said.  “And he’ll never do it with this.  You think they could do this to Andrew Luck?  Let me ask you this question, you think they could to do this to Luck?  Give me a yes or no.  No.  No.”

Sanders answered the question while Marshall Faulk was otherwise trying to speak.

“I don’t think any of Luck’s teammates would ever come out against him, either,” Sanders said.

Both men have a point.  Griffin deserves blame, Shanahan deserves blame, and Daniel Snyder deserves blame.

Ultimately, the guy who finagled a five-year $35 million contract and full control despite winning only one playoff game after a pair of Elway-and-cap-violations fueled Super Bowls deserves the most blame because he had the power to not draft Griffin.  Mike Shanahan also had the authority — and the duty — to ensure that, once Griffin was drafted via a trade for three first-round picks and a second-round pick, Snyder and the rest of the organization would ensure from the get-go that Griffin wouldn’t be permitted to take advantage of the celebrity and power that necessarily come from being the first franchise quarterback that the franchise has enjoyed in decades.

The Redskins now have a franchise quarterback without a franchise.  Whether he’s ever the franchise quarterback again in Washington will depend on many things, starting with who the coach will be in 2014.

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55 Responses to “Irvin, Deion debate D.C. dysfunction”
  1. dietrich43 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:40 AM

    Dan Snyder has the dumpster fire he deserves.

    After the show, did the Playmaker and Primetime go get a bunch of coke and hookers together, like they used to do in Dallas?

  2. biscojay says: Dec 13, 2013 10:41 AM

    And you all said McNabb was jealous and off base. Shame on all of you!!

  3. joetoronto says: Dec 13, 2013 10:41 AM

    Watching Irvin making about race make me wanna puke, what a loser.

  4. 3yardsndust says: Dec 13, 2013 10:42 AM

    The Redskins dysfunction is the Christmas gift that keeps on giving!

  5. thefirstsmilergrogan says: Dec 13, 2013 10:45 AM

    perhaps shanahan had control of the roster until snyder decided he didn’t; sort of like how it went with parcells when jerry went out and got t.o. against parcells wishes.

  6. themightywhitey says: Dec 13, 2013 10:45 AM

    YOU GOTTA LOVE TRAIN WRECK OF A TEAM …….TOP TO BOTTOM JOKE !
    Griffin is over rated , should have never won the Heisman over Luck in college, the guy that followed him at school destroyed RGIIIs numbers ….Subway will soon pull those ads too

  7. kolbe213 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:46 AM

    I can’t think of anybody who likes to listen to Michael Irvin. Even on the set, you can tell Deion and Marshall are thinking “What is this guy going on about?”

    It’s almost gibberish.

  8. raiderlyfe510 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:47 AM

    A top 10 offense with a 1000 yard rusher and a 1000 yard receiver with 3 games to go. I think all the blame should be on the D Coordinator.

  9. ordiggs says: Dec 13, 2013 10:47 AM

    i agree with Michael Irvin &Marshall Faulk these are HOF’s. Everybody know shanny is a snake in the grass and a dirty bastard. Al davis could see this years ago, Dan Reeves seen this years ago. He wants to blame a 23yr old kid when this team was bad before Robert. He had 1 playoff victory post John Elway but Pat Bowlen was smart enough to rid himself of that parasite. Shanny has 421 winning %, this has nothing to do with Robert, this is bad personell decisions and simple offensive scheme. John Madden called his bluff as well, he will never coach again !!!!

  10. bigmike7914 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:54 AM

    Shanahan has been chasing the I did that not Elway train since Elway retired, and has failed to come even remotely close. Lets just face the facts, Shanahan knew he needed RG3 to win last season, so much so that he brought him back despite his better judgement, anyone thats had a knee injury knows, if you sprain your knee 3-4 weeks tops before you can get back to full speed, I think Shanahan covered up the fact that RG3 had partially torn his acl and most likely needed season ending surgery after the Baltimore game last season, because if it were a simple
    sprain he should have back full speed by the Dallas game. The game has
    passed Shanahan by and he proves it by the tactics that he’s using now, how are you protecting RG3 when you could have done that last year, and at the beginning of this season when anybody with eyes can see that he’s playing on virtually one leg…

  11. sc711 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:54 AM

    You missed the “we brothers gotta stick together”

    Or John Elway would never do that….

    Well….John Elway ran the “annointed one” Tim Tebow out of town….at the time very unpopular with fans.

    Elway, a number 1 pick and HOFer was benched early in his career.

    So was Jake Plummer, 40-18 record at the time.

    Jerry Rice was told by Shanny his days were done.

    RG3 isnt playing as well as Russ Wilson or Nick Foles.

    To anyone watching last night, it was very disturbing, reminded me of Jimmy the Greek jumping the shark.

    Irvin should be fired, we brothers arent sticking together on that.

  12. tukai9248 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:58 AM

    A coke snorter who was busted in a motel naked with hookers and woman beating fraud discuss about dysfunction? Pot, I would like you to meet Kettle.

  13. cornerstone2001 says: Dec 13, 2013 10:59 AM

    I thought Irvin was gonna blow a gasket.

  14. ingraven says: Dec 13, 2013 11:02 AM

    Shanahan is done in DC. The writing is on the wall, the notepad, the ipad, the iphone, the notebook, my hand, your hand, and the ceiling.

  15. usmutts says: Dec 13, 2013 11:03 AM

    Irvin and Sanders look like clowns, talk like clowns, and act like clowns, which is why I can no longer turn on the NFL network until game time.

  16. hkdaddyo says: Dec 13, 2013 11:03 AM

    I think Irvin’s argument would have been better served if he hadn’t insinuated that Albert Haynesworth had somehow been mistreated. The guy was a lazy lump of pus who became the league’s best fall-down artist and he deserved to be run out of town. It should have happened sooner!

  17. daysend564 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:04 AM

    RG3 (Rex Daniel Grossman III) is the closest thing the Redskins have had to a franchise QB since Theismann went down.

  18. harrisonhits2 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:05 AM

    Worst coaching staff in the league, mediocre QB that can’t read NFL defenses in real time, pathetically bad owner, skill position players and defenders that had quit halfway into the season.

    No its not all RGFragileEgo by any means. But he’s a fine example of what happens when a player buys into all the hype that he’s a “Superman” and then gets frustrated and goes into a downward spiral once he discovers that no, he’s not “Superman”.

  19. bostonian13 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:07 AM

    Ahhh, c’mon Irvin, relax. The difference between Manning, Brady and Luck is that they’ve proven their worth. Brady and manning are Super Bowl winners, record setters, GOATs – Luck, rookie of the year, pocket passer, clutch, great arm and QUIET. RG3 is a damn diva, there’s nothing more to it. He rushed himself back from a severe injury and is now paying the price for it. What’s wrong with sitting him down and seeing what your backup can get you? RG3 is good but he’s not great….you know why Tannehill, Kaep or Newton haven’t been benched? Because they show up, win, and stay quiet. RG3 has a crap load of targets to throw too or hand it off too, maybe more than the other 3 plus Luck. RG3 is overrated. McNabb?? Once great. Got fat, given too much power by ownership I’m DC then ran himself outta DC, blamed everything on Shanny. Haynesworth? There’s no defending that guy. I’m not sticking up for Shannahan by any chance but let’s be real…lets look at the guys that are being defended. Cut it out…

  20. scrp2 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:15 AM

    Ocean’s Eleven style is how the Shanahan clan will back up that Brinks truck to FedExField.

  21. filmex2000 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:22 AM

    Has Irvin even seen RGIII play lately? He’s been terrible. And the real problem is he has been making the same mistakes over and over again. There doesn’t seem to be a learning curve with him of late.

    They did an interesting recap of many plays on ESPN yesterday, and there were plays there to be made, but RGIII was simply missing them. And when those same opportunities came up again, he missed them again.

    Now, Shanahan may very well have broken RGIII in the playoff game last year. But, right now, the team has no chance to win the way RGIII is playing. Whether that’s a result of RGIII having been permanently broken, no off season training and practice, or just a complete loss of confidence and ability, I don’t blame Shanahan for sitting RGIII at this point.

  22. thestrategyexpert says: Dec 13, 2013 11:27 AM

    Fantastic conversation, good stuff by both guys and just a lot of good things to think about. I liked seeing the different style of passion in both men. And I liked Kurt Warner just sitting there like a statue having nothing to add during the exchange. That was excellent TV after an excellent game.

  23. urfinished says: Dec 13, 2013 11:27 AM

    Are white people allowed to say that they need to stick together?
    Stop it brother Irvin. Until we move on as a human race first and not an African American race first we are not moving on at all.

  24. captainronmexico says: Dec 13, 2013 11:28 AM

    Do they drug test announcers? Wipe your nose, Playmaker.

  25. renhoekk2 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:31 AM

    Shocking that Irvin who pretty much invented the whole DIVA WR phenomenon is defending RGIII and pretty much saying let the DIVA be a DIVA.

  26. badmoonrison says: Dec 13, 2013 11:37 AM

    There Irvin goes again, pulling the race card. I guess whoever doesn’t agree with him must be a racist. That’s why I gave up watching the pregame shows years ago. I enjoy the sport so much more now.

  27. footballchic777 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:38 AM

    Michael Irvin makes everything about race. This is just about Shanny being Shanny……an idiot! Did I hear MI saying anything when he did this to Rex Grossman and John Skelton? Oh geez……he is doing this because they are white! First of all, RGIII has had a horrible year. So he was lucky to still be playing. Secondly, the longer he went the worse he got. Third….NO DEFENSE. Forth. No O Line! Need I go on? This team is a train wreck. A coaches job is to win….no matter when or who!

  28. dirtydavid4 says: Dec 13, 2013 11:39 AM

    Love it they tried to turn this into a racial matter with the statement all us brothers gotta stick together. RG3 benching had nothing to do with what color he but rather how crappy he is playing this year. By the way he has looked out there this year its surprising he has started this long something is still wrong with that knee and he hasn’t fully recovered from his injury. Shannan wants someone who is going to go out and does all the things that helps a team win and can handle when things don’t go right. Who knows maybe Kirk Cousins is that guy.

  29. georgegsmiller says: Dec 13, 2013 11:58 AM

    Have to agree with Deion on this one. Just check out the last 4 games Shanahan started RGIII. RGIII has been terrible and has played well below his normal stat lines since joining the league. Here are his stats (last 4 games) as the starting QB. Pts per game: 12.3. Passing yds per game: 188.3. 4 TD’s and 3 Int’s (passing and rushing TD’s). 58% completion percentage. 75.3 rating. 0 wins 4 losses. Below average numbers across the board and the stats DO NOT LIE. Griffin III has not only regressed from 2012 but from earlier this year. These stats indicate a QB that has lost confidence and perhaps the confidence of his teammates. Which may explain why Shanahan made the move to give Cousins a chance.

    Unless you have 1975 Steelers defense then you are not going to win many games averaging 12.3 per game. I don’t care who you are if you are not producing at your position then you will get benched. A lot of Hall of Fame QB’s were benched early in their careers and bounced back. They became great leaders of their team and eventually won Super Bowl Championships. Here are a few off the top of my head: Bradshaw, Aikman, Stauback, Montana, Plunkett. I could also name P.Simms, D. Williams, J.Theisman, T. Dilfer, J. McMahon and probably other winning Suber Bowl QB’s who were benched at some point in their career’s and bounced back to win a Ring.

    Want to know something else? It’s the coaches decision!! Since when did the players call the shots? A coach has every right to bench a player. It does not matter what position he plays or who that player is if he is not performing and the team is not winning then the coach has to something. A lot of the players named above were benched by the SAME coaches who eventually won a Super Bowl title. They (coach and player) won the title TOGETHER. It’s a coaches right to call the shots and bench a guy when it’s called for. He has a responsibility to the TEAM not one individual. That is why I agree with Deion on this one… and I agree with Coach Shanahan. Shanahan has 2 rings already… what does Snyder have as an owner? ZERO rings and a overall losing record as an owner. RGIII would be wise to maybe call some of the QB’s mentioned above and learn something. Come back stronger, motivated to prove not only the coach but everyone else wrong. That he is THE GUY to lead this team moving forward. This is what coach Shanihan probably would like to see happen as well. Prove him wrong.

    Finally, Shanahan should NOT be fired. For the reasons stated above coach Shanahan has every right to bench a player. It shows everybody on the team that one guy is not above the rest of the team. If a player is performing at a below average level then he will be replaced. Since when did anyone change that rule? Remember, also, the NFL stands for NOT FOR LONG if a player is not performing to his (RGIII) typical standards. The same rule applies to coaches as well. Which may also explain why Coach Shanihan made the move. If Snyder were smart (I know he truly wants to win) then he should let this play out and make a rational decision this off season and stay commited to both coach Shanihan and RGIII. They can work out their differences and come back stronger than before.

  30. circuscivics says: Dec 13, 2013 12:03 PM

    It’s interesting how many of the comments indicate that people construed that when Irvin said, “…rest of us brothers have to understand that and treat him as such,” he was injecting race. I construed “brothers” as non-Quarterback Football players.

  31. jbcommonsense says: Dec 13, 2013 12:11 PM

    ”Griffin deserves blame, Shanahan deserves blame, and Daniel Snyder deserves blame…. Mike Shanahan also had the authority — and the duty — to ensure that, once Griffin was drafted… GRIFFIN wouldn’t be permitted to take advantage of the celebrity and power ”
    =============================

    REALLY tired of the excessive, undeserved blame being heaped on RGIII for my dysfunctional Redskins’ problems. Their terrible record has NOTHING to do with RGIII being a celebrity. He was running for his life [while completing 60% of his passes] behind an ineffective offensive line, and their secondary is terrible. Give RGIII a better offensive line and a coach with better game plans and you will see an excellent QB once again. HTTR!

  32. delmonte55 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:15 PM

    UHH Mike, the Redskins do not have a franchise Quarterback. They have a struggling 2nd year player.

  33. skins1970 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:19 PM

    The only people to blame for the mess is Jim Haslett and Keith Burns their units let the Skins down. Haslett took a top 10 defense and turned it into a joke and Keith Burns destroyed a decent ST unit.I miss Wayne Sevier he was greatest ST coach the Skins had.

  34. cfos00 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:34 PM

    With regards to Irvin, anytime you’re referencing Donovan McNabb in regards to anything Redskins, you’re doing something wrong. The guy was the only one that couldn’t see how hopelessly washed up he was by the time he hit DC. The other “star” he mentioned was Haynesworth, who was out of the league within a year of getting released, so let’s not act like he was worth anything at that point. Leave it Michael Irvin to make Deion the voice of reason in an argument.

  35. chargrz says: Dec 13, 2013 12:41 PM

    Irvin and Sanders are a couple of Rhodes scholars!

  36. kitnamania13 says: Dec 13, 2013 12:59 PM

    I can’t imagine the thoughts going through Rich Eisen’s head every time Sanders, Irvin, or Mariucci opens his mouth. He must get a lot of free Papa John’s to be willing to work with those two geniuses.

  37. thegreatgabbert says: Dec 13, 2013 1:02 PM

    Well, if you’re going to have a dysfunction debate, may as well bring in the leading experts in the field.

  38. randomguy9999 says: Dec 13, 2013 1:05 PM

    RG3 is a franchise QB?

    he’s 3-10 this year, waves team business all over the place, doesn’t show the maturity to avoid contact and be an NFL passer… he’s a mess, not a franchise QB

    if it was anyone else, nobody would even be talking about him being benched, he deserves it

    … and it’s not even a benching, it’s protecting a guy you spent a ton of picks on from reinjuring a knee in garbage time of a brutal season.

  39. bigblackanvil says: Dec 13, 2013 1:05 PM

    This is insane. This aint about punishing RG3. Its about keeping our franchise QB from needless harm and unnecesary injury when its so obvious he is not recovered from last years surgery. This is the best thing for RG3. Besides how many starters on playoff teams will be playing week 16? This is just crazy. HTTR

  40. gward90 says: Dec 13, 2013 1:08 PM

    The guys saying that Irvin is a loser for bringing up race (when he didnt) while they subsequently bring up race are losers. He brings up Luck as he is the only other QB that was taken in the top 5 picks of the first round. At least two HOF – Faulk, Irvin, even Warner have spoken out against this. Even Madden has called out Shanahan for what this is. It does smell of a personal attack. You let players play to get out of a funk. Why tell the team and public its for health reasons when you let him get killed in the snow. Then leak to the media its for play reasons. And if it is for play reasons the whole team needs to be replaced and we need to call up the practice squad guys cause it can’t get worse. Mike is burning the barn before he leaves. Also just because someone has committed past transgressions in their life does not mean they no longer have anything valuable to say. Some of you are the worst of society.

  41. roverboy1949 says: Dec 13, 2013 1:24 PM

    Please don’t mention Peyton Manning and/or Tom (Terrific) Brady in the same breath as RG3and8. They earned what special treatment they get (if any), and now that I think of it, so doesn’t RG3and8. He is a young know-it-all who has a lot to learn. When you play with the big boys, you better be ready.

  42. bigblu73 says: Dec 13, 2013 1:46 PM

    bostonian13 says:
    Dec 13, 2013 11:07 AM
    Ahhh, c’mon Irvin, relax. The difference between Manning, Brady and Luck is that they’ve proven their worth. Brady and manning are Super Bowl winners, record setters, GOATs – Luck, rookie of the year, pocket passer, clutch, great arm and QUIET. RG3 is a damn diva, there’s nothing more to it. He rushed himself back from a severe injury and is now paying the price for it. What’s wrong with sitting him down and seeing what your backup can get you? RG3 is good but he’s not great….you know why Tannehill, Kaep or Newton haven’t been benched? Because they show up, win, and stay quiet. RG3 has a crap load of targets to throw too or hand it off too, maybe more than the other 3 plus Luck. RG3 is overrated. McNabb?? Once great. Got fat, given too much power by ownership I’m DC then ran himself outta DC, blamed everything on Shanny. Haynesworth? There’s no defending that guy. I’m not sticking up for Shannahan by any chance but let’s be real…lets look at the guys that are being defended. Cut it out…
    ==================================================================
    Your comment is flawed in so many ways I don’t even know where to begin! First and foremost Andrew Luck DID NOT WIN ROOKIE OF THE YEAR!!!!LOL There is a very very logical reason why Tannehill, Kap, and Newton haven’t been benched. All three of those teams are in playoff contention, all three have teams that are waaaay better than the Redskins, NONE of them are recovering from ACL Surgery, and lastly none of those teams have a highly touted back up QB that they are showcasing to move to get much needed draft picks for. In case you haven’t noticed Shanahan is a bit of a dictator. Anyone that doesn’t do exactly as he wants seems to have problems with Shanny. From Jake Plummer to McNabb to Haynesworth. BTW Haynesworth was given a raw deal. You don’t take the most dominant DT at the time in the game, give him a boat load of money and then play him out of position!!!! Theres no such thing as a 6’6″ Nose Tackle in the NFL and thats exactly where Shanny wanted Haynesworth to play!! Thats like Chip Kelly trading for Tom Brady and insisting Brady run the Read-Option offense! BTW, say what you want about McNabb but isn’t it mighty ironic that McNabb predicted that RG3 would have issues with Shannahan?LOL Either his real name is McNabbstradamus or there;s really something to Shanny’s mis-handling of players!!!

  43. coltsreign says: Dec 13, 2013 2:04 PM

    Heres the difference
    CAM NEWTON WASNT HURT COMING INTO HIS SOPHMORE YEAR

  44. jh360 says: Dec 13, 2013 2:19 PM

    Deon nailed right in the beginning. They’re shopping Kirk Cousins. Simple as that. Shanny is just late. He should have sat Griffin to start the season but is finally doing it now.

  45. trickydix2000 says: Dec 13, 2013 3:13 PM

    McNabb is certainly appearing to be vindicated.

  46. stairwayto7 says: Dec 13, 2013 3:42 PM

    If RGIII was white Itvin and Sanders would say bench him for a black qb!

  47. chipbeastkelly says: Dec 13, 2013 4:13 PM

    I wish the equivalent of a ACL tear on Irvin’s vocal cords.

  48. kingpel says: Dec 13, 2013 5:43 PM

    I cant believe he singled out relationships he had with McNabb and Haynesworth as a measuring stick for African American players. Those guys absolutely SUCKED! How is his relationship with London Fletcher, Rod Smith or Terrell Davis? Players who actually performed.

    Irvin bringing up the race card is weak and shows that he obviously cant look at this situation objectively.

  49. tb1109 says: Dec 13, 2013 7:32 PM

    When he said Brother I knew micheal was getting racheal pathetic Mike. This excuse is getting way to old and predictable in the black community. What’s next Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson coming to RG III’s defense. Maybe the NAACP needs to say something about this white coach bringing this black man down.

  50. superleadhead says: Dec 13, 2013 10:55 PM

    Shanahan has a long history of ego problems with players. Since RGIII came into the league he has responded to adversity with grace. You choose. As far as Irvin is concerned. He’s a proven A hole.

  51. therealbleedcoltsblue says: Dec 14, 2013 3:41 AM

    bostonian13 says:
    Dec 13, 2013 11:07 AM

    Ahhh, c’mon Irvin, relax. The difference between Manning, Brady and Luck is that they’ve proven their worth. Brady and manning are Super Bowl winners, record setters, GOATs

    __________________________________

    I think what this guy and the Shanahan defenders are missing is that these guys got to this status because their coaches had confidence in them.. BEFORE they were proven and stuck with them through rough patches.

    Peyton Manning had one of the worst rookie seasons by a QB in NFL HISTORY. He followed it up by having a really horrible 2001 where he also got his jaw broken. At this point in time, Peyton hadn’t proven a damned thing, but in NEITHER case did anyone consider benching him.

    Tom Brady had a pretty lackluster 2001. He threw only 18 TDs didn’t break 3000 yards passing and had 12 picks in 14 games…. yet he started even over the then franchise QB in the Super Bowl.

    RG3 on the other hand had one of the best seasons by an NFL rookie QB. He’s coming off a devastating injury and playing on a team that flat out does not have a defense and can’t seem to protect him at all. Yet, to certain people he’s done, overrated, etc. and isn’t ‘proven’.

    Andrew Luck is on a better team in a weaker division and is putting up only slightly better numbers than Griffin, but no one is giving up on him yet… but in their eyes he’s more ‘proven’ because his team keeps him in position to win even with his sub par passing skills.

    I think Irvin is saying when you don’t follow the precedent, and there is no good reason that you’d expect a QB to become better at his craft by sitting him AFTER he’s had success… that opens the door for this type of criticism.

    #iftheshoefits

  52. rayb47 says: Dec 14, 2013 6:50 AM

    A lot of Redskin fans are down on Shanahan and have every right to be. Unless you have followed Shanahan’s career you have no idea what a tyrant he is. One commentator has it right when he pointed out if you trace Shanahan’s career back to his days with the Raiders there was nothing but controversy then. During Shanahn’s stay at Denver the Broncos were noted as being a dirty team. Several players greatly disliked playing for him, John Elway included. Where ever Shanahan has landed discord and controversy surrounded him.
    I have no idea why Synder hired Shanahan and gave him control over player personell. It must of have that jackass smile of Shanahan’s that convinced Synder he was choosing the right man. Haynesworth and Mcbabb were both belittled by Shanahan and some of you morons make unsavory remarks about them. RGIII is another example where Shanahan will burn down the barn before he leaves, all in spite.

  53. ziplock10 says: Dec 14, 2013 9:10 AM

    All time low!!!!!!!!!

    When 2 cowboys discuss how bad the Redskins are treating its team… and I agree…………………………………………………………………………………………………………………………….

  54. glennheightstxparkandride says: Dec 14, 2013 1:26 PM

    I agree with Michael Irvin’s comments. I also agree with the other comments being made to so degree. In this situation I would pay attention to Donovan McNabb’s comments very closely. He feel victim to this same issue. He went from a big contract to a 1 year deal in 1 year. He was sacked all the time even though he could run. RGlll is doing the best he can in this situation. But the subject of race will come up because he is a black quarterback. He is not the only black quarterback to ever get benched but…If you have no trust in your coach and the team is starting to fall apart. Who do you look at the coach? The first is the quarterback who is responsible for trying to keep the team in sync, Leader, motivator. But you must put good players around your quarterback as well. If you learn nothing at all from Coach bill belichick he doesn’t care what color you are, he just wants you to do your job and win games. If you can’t do that then he will bench you and later get rid of you but he does give you a change to redeem yourself. RGlll needs to heal and that is it. There is nothing wrong with his game, it is his injury that is causing all the issues and the decision that were make to put him back on the field before he was ready injury wise and that is the truth.

  55. badmoonrison says: Dec 14, 2013 10:57 PM

    RACIALIST: Someone who uses racism to push their own feeble-minded agenda. Michael Irvin is a Racialist.

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