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Bengals punter has cracked vertebrae, broken jaw

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The hit that knocked Bengals punter Kevin Huber out of last night’s game did more than cosmetic damage.

According to Chris Mortensen of ESPN, Huber suffered a cracked vertebrae in addition to a broken jaw, and he’ll be placed on season-ending injured reserve.

As Florio mentioned last night, the hit from Steelers linebacker Terence Garvin should have drawn a flag, and will almost certainly result in a fine since punters are always included in the “defenseless players” category.

The play also resulted in an Antonio Brown touchdown, and put the Bengals in a 21-0 hole from which they never recovered.

Now they’ll have to find a new punter while they try to hang onto a playoff berth, while Huber has more pressing concerns.

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  1. smokingconch says: Dec 16, 2013 2:41 PM

    If punters are always “defenseless players” then they shouldn’t be allowed to block or tackle. They should just kick the ball and run to the sidelines.

    Absolutely ridiculous. If I was a punter, I would be offended by having that permanent label.

  2. mayers59 says: Dec 16, 2013 2:42 PM

    I watched it happen. There was no need for that kind of block to the punter. Steelers should be thankful Cincinatti coach had enough class to not retaliate.

  3. steelerfanjo says: Dec 16, 2013 2:42 PM

    So if Garvin doesn’t block him and he makes the tackle, all is well. It is Football. This country was built on toughness.

  4. ampats says: Dec 16, 2013 2:42 PM

    Head on a swivel. Huber got Jacked Up !

  5. nflofficeadmin says: Dec 16, 2013 2:42 PM

    This is a brave young man. Unfortunately, now his damn jaw opens out like a freakin ant’s mouth… Get well soon, son.

  6. coachjohnharbaugh says: Dec 16, 2013 2:43 PM

    its a great day to be a cincinatti bengal

  7. ziggystheansah says: Dec 16, 2013 2:45 PM

    Wow i’m no Bengals fan but i wish a speedy recovery. He got annihilated.

  8. Aaron Saylor says: Dec 16, 2013 2:46 PM

    No excuse for hitting a guy like that. All these weeks we’ve heard defenders claim they have no choice but to hit low, and then this guys takes a high cheap shot on a guy who isn’t even looking. Wow, what toughness those Steelers show.

  9. bgm9876 says: Dec 16, 2013 2:48 PM

    I watched that game last night, the hit looked bad.

  10. iamtheleastmachiavellian says: Dec 16, 2013 2:49 PM

    cheapshot. i’m not bungals fan or punter protector, but damn did he have to try to kill the guy. could have eased up.

  11. fin72 says: Dec 16, 2013 2:50 PM

    Once punters get the ball off they should be fair game like anybody else with a helmet. If this guy is so “defenseless” he has no business trying to stick his nose in to make a tackle.

  12. titansbro says: Dec 16, 2013 2:50 PM

    Cheap shot from a Steeler? Nooo

  13. ctiggs says: Dec 16, 2013 2:50 PM

    WHOOO”S GOT IT BETTER THAN US????? NOOOOOOOOOBODYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

  14. aliquickk says: Dec 16, 2013 2:50 PM

    To be fair, Mike Tomlin did warn everyone once that the Steelers unleash hell in December.

  15. ctiggs says: Dec 16, 2013 2:51 PM

    WHOOO”S GOT IT BETTER THAN US?? NOOOOOOOOOBODYYYYYYYYY!!!!!!!!

  16. marvsleezy says: Dec 16, 2013 2:51 PM

    He should be suspended for at least one game.

  17. jjb0811 says: Dec 16, 2013 2:52 PM

    In Goodell’s NFL, everyone is defenseless expect defenders. Oh wait, they are defenseless knowing how much they’ll be fined.

  18. blacknole08 says: Dec 16, 2013 2:52 PM

    Garvin should have definitely been flagged for helmet to helmet, but Huber wasn’t a defensless player on the field.

    Garvin didnt have to use so much force to take him out though. No way Huber would have caught Brown anyways.

  19. steelerdeathstar says: Dec 16, 2013 2:54 PM

    While a question can certainly be raised about whether Garvin needed to deliver that crushing of a block on a punter, and it can be considered a borderline cheap shot…you need to explain exactly how a punter or kicker who is now involved in attempting to make a tackle on a return man like everyone else on the kicking team, is always considered a ‘defenseless player’? That’s nonsensical.

  20. rolltidenj says: Dec 16, 2013 2:55 PM

    The NFL officials are having a great year. I hope contract extensions are on the table for everyone.

  21. blacknole08 says: Dec 16, 2013 2:55 PM

    When u see kickers/punters making horse collar tackles to avoid returns that wouldnt make them defenseless. That makes them one of 11 men on that team trying to bring a ball carrier down.

    Thats not what happened here but to say they are defenseless because of their position is ridiculous.

  22. beerbaron says: Dec 16, 2013 2:56 PM

    Just the kind of dirty hit the Steelers fans would have cheered, if any of them had bothered to show up for the game.

    A night game against a division rival when you’re still in the playoff hunt and you can’t even fill your stadium? Why even have a team?

  23. sparky151 says: Dec 16, 2013 2:56 PM

    This is a twofer of bad news for the league. First the officials missed an obvious foul. Second it had a large impact on a game that has a big impact on playoff seeding. Here’s what should happen:

    Garvin is suspended until Huber resumes playing. It was a blatant cheap shot and special teams players should know that ever since the Eagles-Cowboys bounty games that kickers are protected. It’s perfectly legal to block them but not to cheapshot them.

    Second the Steelers are repeat offenders, and even the source of the Keith Rivers rule. So the special teams coach should be fined 25K. The team should be fined 100K and not allowed any roster relief due to Garvin’s unavailability.

    Additionally the officials responsible for seeing the illegal block and also the uncalled but obvious block in the back on Andrew Hawkins on the same play should be suspended for a week and not eligible for postseason assignments.

    The league shouldn’t put the health of the players or the integrity of game outcomes in the hands of bad officials.

  24. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 2:56 PM

    Best wishes for a quick recovery, Kevin. Hope you return from this.

    I would hope that the pathetic trolls who made fun of him feel bad after this news, but they have shown that they aren’t human enough to feel remorse. #noclass

  25. endzone says: Dec 16, 2013 2:59 PM

    Gruesome. Doesn’t he also have a concussion? Poor kid will be getting nourishment through a straw during the holidays with everyone eating around him. Sending prayers your way dude.

  26. ochospantalones says: Dec 16, 2013 3:03 PM

    The violence of that hit was totally unnecessary. Based on the angle he arrived from, Garvin could have easily blocked Huber out of the play without trying to kill him. He saw a chance to knock the opposition’s punter out of the game and he took it. This should at least merit a fine.

  27. ravanator says: Dec 16, 2013 3:03 PM

    Glad they show the highlight clips online. I could not bring myself to watch these two weak franchises play another borefest against each other. Feel bad for people that live in Cinci and Pitt.

    #ravensownthenfl
    #joemontanaflacco

  28. daysend564 says: Dec 16, 2013 3:05 PM

    I like watching punters get laid out as much as the next guy. However, the guy speared him in the face intentionally. It isn’t as if the punter was dropping due to a tackle. That guy should be 50-100k lighter in the bank account come Friday for that cheap, illegal hit.

    Next thing, the Steelers will try to tell everybody that Tomlin was “accidentally” on the field.

  29. richndc says: Dec 16, 2013 3:07 PM

    no matter what rules are in place, jacking up someone like that is a cheap shot, any punk can do it. Instead of trying to legislate it, maybe the NFL should quit hiring street trash to play–but that will never happen, as long as that trash makes them money. And hey, we all know Aaron Hernandez was framed and Ray Lewis did nothing wrong, and Ben R. is not really an abuser of women, Suh is not a dirty player….it could go on all day.

  30. steelhammer92 says: Dec 16, 2013 3:08 PM

    He was going to make a tackle.. It’s not like he was far away from the play and specifically targeted. That’s how punters used to get hurt, and I can understand the NFL cracking down on that. However, to call a guy going to make a tackle defenseless is absurd. Half the time these kickers and punters horse collar tackle and are as much of a threat to a returner’s safety as anybody on the field. If the NFL wants to protect these guys and act like they are helpless, they should make it a rule so they kick and then immediately run off the field.

  31. cupquest says: Dec 16, 2013 3:09 PM

    Isn’t this the kind of no-good, cheap shot hit that the NFL is trying to get rid of? Enough with the ticky-tacky calls on QB and WR hits. But this cheap shot BS on a friggan punter is total crap. Anything less than a 2-game suspension and 25k fine for Terence Garvin would be a travesty.
    Broken jaw, broken spine? Seriously…

  32. bluenose1965 says: Dec 16, 2013 3:10 PM

    I don’t think the guy was defenseless just because he was a punter. The helmet to chin hit was what was out of bounds, whether the guy’s a punter or not.

    It’s a gutless hit and is the reason the game is going towards flag football.

  33. jm91rs says: Dec 16, 2013 3:11 PM

    Is anyone else surprised that absolutely launching your helmet into an opposing players jaw while blocking would be legal in any instance.?Cry about the wussification of the nfl all you want, but clearly the league is trying to get rid of helmet to helmet hits so it seems that this type of thing shouldn’t be allowed on any player. It’s pretty easy to hit a guy in the chest to block him. The only reason to knock him out helmet to helmet style is to make highlight reels and injure guys. Do that a few more times garvin, you’re lucky you didn’t give yourself a concussion moron.

  34. ratbirdsrule says: Dec 16, 2013 3:12 PM

    it was a helmet to helmet hit with malicious intent…he could have blocked him with a pinky finger.
    Huber was not any where near making a play.
    should be a fine if not suspension

  35. akboot says: Dec 16, 2013 3:12 PM

    Looked like a crown helmet shot to me. Very big cheap shot. Reminded me of a couple heins ward shots.

  36. peopletrains says: Dec 16, 2013 3:14 PM

    Classless cheap shot. Hines Ward lives on.

  37. mslegndary says: Dec 16, 2013 3:14 PM

    So the steelers are back to their dirty ways to win a game?’. Smh

  38. awdlmd says: Dec 16, 2013 3:15 PM

    Garvin clearly didn’t know the rule and saw a chance to light up a guy who was easy prey. He deserves whatever suspension he gets. Their special teams coach may consider teaching his players the rules too

  39. webothlose says: Dec 16, 2013 3:16 PM

    Huber should be suspended for multiple games.
    This is the perfect opportunity for the league to send a message about defenseless players and unnecessary blows to the head.

  40. patriotsdefense says: Dec 16, 2013 3:16 PM

    His Name Is Zoltan Mesko

  41. Steeley McBeam says: Dec 16, 2013 3:17 PM

    Hahaha ok @sparky

    If you don’t want to be hit don’t be trying to make a hit on someone else. Even if the rule is as nonsensical as protecting kickers while they are not in the action of kicking, it was a block that’s been throw 1000 times. The problem was the player on the receiving end not protecting himself, not the hitter or the hit itself. Keep your head on a swivel and wear a proper mouthpiece when trying to make a tackle and you will be fine.

    Ice up, son.

  42. ravensterps says: Dec 16, 2013 3:17 PM

    To the people who seem confused and are asking “why let punters tackle if they’re always defenseless?”:

    You can still hit defenseless players. You can still tackle and block them. You just can’t spear them or hit them in the head.

    It’s the same with a quarterback in the pocket. You can still get a big hit on them, you just can’t take cheap shots at their heads.

    Not saying I agree or disagree, just trying to add clarity.

  43. coonsqualler says: Dec 16, 2013 3:17 PM

    Time to go back to the LEATHER helmets. This will stop all the leading with helmet and get back to the fundamentals. Go low, wrap up around the waste and drive with your feet.

    Just Sayin’…

  44. carterd22 says: Dec 16, 2013 3:18 PM

    Everyone complaining about punter/kickers being classified as “defenseless” yet still being allowed to make tackles need to actually understand the definition of the term in this case. It doesn’t mean you’re not allowed to block them or even that you can’t hit them, it means you can’t lead with your helmet or target the head/neck area. I.e. it exists to prevent unnecessary cheap shots such as this that would quickly deplete the NFL’s stable of healthy kickers/punters.

  45. schmokes says: Dec 16, 2013 3:19 PM

    Wonder why Brown didn’t turn and run up the sidelines. Was he worried about a coach getting in his way?

  46. peytonwantsaflag says: Dec 16, 2013 3:19 PM

    “If punters are always “defenseless players” then they shouldn’t be allowed to block or tackle. They should just kick the ball and run to the sidelines.”
    —————————————————

    man you people are thick – defenseless doesn’t mean he can’t be blocked any more than it means you can’t tackle a defenseless receiver – you just can’t lay them out

  47. tavisteelersfan says: Dec 16, 2013 3:20 PM

    15 yards and a $10k fine for hitting too hard …. no wonder Harrison left with a migrane.

    I am not familiar with the rules though Collinsworth or Michaels seemed to be saying that outside a certain kicking zone, he is just another player. That seems to be a lot more like the QB, who if he is carrying the ball downfield from the line of scrimmage, he is no longer defenseless, he is like a runner.

  48. FoozieGrooler says: Dec 16, 2013 3:21 PM

    The play I saw had Huber running towards the ball carrier, I presume for the same reason as the rest of the team, to stop him.
    So how is this one player different from the rest?

  49. nfl4days says: Dec 16, 2013 3:22 PM

    “It’s just football!”- unsympathetic meatheads. The problem isn’t him getting hit, it’s HOW he was hit that’s a problem. Completely unnecessary and classless.

  50. wisconsinhillfolk says: Dec 16, 2013 3:23 PM

    I hate the Steelers and their fans, but I watched it live and every player who tried to tackle the returner got laid out. Textbook. Quit crying and find a less collision-oriented gig.

  51. obsession55 says: Dec 16, 2013 3:23 PM

    Well the announcers keep calling every Steelers game a “slugfest” or a “battle” or they talk about how they “come out swinging”…but now you want to flag them for a hard but clean hit? Everyone expects to get “hit in the mouth” when they play Pittsburgh thanks to the media, and it actually happens and they say it should be penalized. I really cant stand the media…

  52. Chuck Norris says: Dec 16, 2013 3:23 PM

    I didnt see the play, but in high school I fractured 3 vertabrae in my lower back triple jumping, and it doesnt feel good, and there really isnt anything that can be done about it.

    I agree that “defenseless” is a bit too over used, but at the same time there are blocks that are way over the top and unnecessary. When a player has no idea you are there, all you have to do is get in his way, you dont have to kill him. Obviously your job is to get a block on him, I am just basing my opinion on a “pick” play in basketball, it is basically the same thing. You only have to slow the defender down, not end his career… There have been countless plays like that over the years. I just think there is a difference of opinio regarding what is “defenseless”. Goodell has basically said anyone who cant prepare for impact is defensless, and that is going a bit over the top in my opinion

  53. azarkhan says: Dec 16, 2013 3:24 PM

    There should be a fine and suspension for the rest of the year. It was a cheap shot, done by a low life playing for a sleazy team.

  54. scchamil says: Dec 16, 2013 3:24 PM

    Defenseless player does not mean you can’t block a punter… it just means you can’t spear him in the face with the crown of your helmet. A normal legal block is just fine and happens all the time.

    Now, for the life of me, I can’t figure out why an open field block like this would ever be legal under any circumstance with any player, but it clearly wasn’t legal here. It’s not like any team dresses a back-up punter. It’s pretty reasonable to not want those guys assualted (remember you have 3 QBs who can come in if that guy gets hurt).

    The problem with the NFL is that a game changing / possibly career ending hit like that wasn’t flagged, but a kicker who flops because some guy brushes by his leg is an automatic first down. As it played out, Steelers probably win regardless, but it was absolutely to their strategic advantage to knock out the punter. If there was a penalty and ejection = Steelers problem. No ejections, no penalty and bengals down a critical player = NFL’s problem.

  55. afcdomination says: Dec 16, 2013 3:24 PM

    gosh, with the bengals going to the playoffs, that is really unfortunate for him. sucks to play all these games and get to where some guys never get a chance to play(postseason) only to go down to something like this.

  56. footballfan01 says: Dec 16, 2013 3:26 PM

    There’s no place for hard hits like that in football. This isn’t rugby or hockey. Players should only block with enough force to impede the other player without knocking them down.

  57. enoughofthatalready says: Dec 16, 2013 3:26 PM

    Sparky lives in fantasy land……..Garvin is an undrafted free agent rookie that is way down the depth chart and is just trying to make a play. He did not know what he was doing…….what, do you think he said……”Let’s break the guy’s vertebrae by hitting his chin” ? So suspend the guy or whatever. He may never be on a team again anyway. He only played last night because of 2 injuries to Steelers LBs. The Keith Rivers rule has to do with a blind side hit to a defender that is facing away from the hitter. The punter was running straight toward the hitter. Not the same thing. Illegal block in the back on Hawkins? Now you are being a sore loser. Hawkins was hit in the shoulder. The score made it 21-0 from 14-0.

  58. fwippel says: Dec 16, 2013 3:27 PM

    The hit happened during the return, not as Huber delivered the punt.

    This was not about blocking a punter as much as it was about using the helmet as a weapon. What was even more unbelievable was the fact that the refs missed the call.

    A cracked vertebrae? I wouldn’t be surprised if Huber receives calls from personal injury lawyers on this one, begging to sue the NFL and Garvin.

  59. footballfan01 says: Dec 16, 2013 3:27 PM

    Cheers to an expeditious recovery.

  60. enoughofthatalready says: Dec 16, 2013 3:28 PM

    mslegndary says:
    Dec 16, 2013 3:14 PM
    So the steelers are back to their dirty ways to win a game?’. Smh

    Yeah…..they used an undrafted rookie free agent to take out the punter in a 14-0 game where the punter’s 2 previous blunders already gave away those 14 points. Garvin did the Bengals a favor. 21-0 before/during, 9-20 afterwards.

  61. enoughofthatalready says: Dec 16, 2013 3:31 PM

    ratbirdsrule says:
    Dec 16, 2013 3:12 PM
    it was a helmet to helmet hit with malicious intent…he could have blocked him with a pinky finger.
    Huber was not any where near making a play.
    should be a fine if not suspension

    Last time I checked, your chin is not within a helmet, therefore no helmet to helmet rule comes into play. Could be unnecessary roughness blow to the head but I did not think that a punter is a defenseless player according to the rule.

  62. dino8500 says: Dec 16, 2013 3:33 PM

    1. whether he is a punter or defensive lineman or tight end doesn’t matter a cheap shot (helmet to helmet) is illegal. period.
    2. defenseless player is just a term used by the NFL to identify certain players in certain situations it does not mean you cant hit or block them (just not illegally in the face)
    3. Big surprise the fabled steeler nation once again show why they are the most classless organization supporting their team and defending unnecessary cheap shots that have no place in sports. The fanbase I’m sure has a lot of decent fans too but the comments on here seem to show off the portion of fans that celebrate cheating and cheap shot behavior.
    4. so after the fiasco against Baltimore and last nights game its obvious that the steelers encourage cheating (especially on special teams) from the top of the organization to the bottom. The proud steeler tradition continues.
    5. steelers fans need to take the advice they give other teams and quit living in the past. you are no longer dominant and you will have to wait longer than expected before you can buy your 7th ring

  63. rodh32340 says: Dec 16, 2013 3:36 PM

    Special team players are always looking for someone to hit…a punter has to have some sense!

  64. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 3:36 PM

    You Steelers whiners need to take it up with the NFL rule book. The rule isn’t new. Just accept the fact that your players don’t have enough class (or talent) to win playing within the rules. #TomlinMakesTheTackle #WallaceGoesForTheBall(s) #GarvinTheCheapShotArtist

  65. duster1982 says: Dec 16, 2013 3:37 PM

    All you people saying “What? He should just be allowed to make the tackle then?!” realize you can block someone without slamming your helmet in to their face, right? Unreal

  66. blackngold4life says: Dec 16, 2013 3:38 PM

    Quitt crying.. maybe if Dalton had a better 1st half instead of getting all his yards against a prevent Defense they may have won..he was awful

  67. steelerfanjo says: Dec 16, 2013 3:45 PM

    I honestly believe there should be two NFL… one for the sissy babies like Brady, Harbaugh, Bengal & Patriot fans and then a league with the old rules. I guarantee you the sissy baby league would fold.

  68. junglerat524 says: Dec 16, 2013 3:47 PM

    Doesn’t matter if it was a punter or whoever, that was a cheap shot. Or as Steeler fans would say, a clean block.

  69. hrdcorbengalsfan says: Dec 16, 2013 3:50 PM

    What do you expect? Hochuli hates the Bengals and always has! No flags for them.

  70. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 3:51 PM

    Keep your head on a swivel and wear a proper mouthpiece when trying to make a tackle and you will be fine.

    This has got to be the dumbest comment I have read yet. The man has a broken jaw and neck from taking a helmet to his neck, and you recommend a different mouthpiece to prevent the injury? And I suppose that Joe Theisman should have worn better pads on his legs? Good grief…

  71. harveyclayton says: Dec 16, 2013 3:51 PM

    In the moment at hand, did Garvin really have time to stop and think. “Ok, let me check and make sure this isn’t the punter coming up toward Brown.?” The hit was helmet to helmet, but the punter had better be ready if he is going to be pursuing a runner.

  72. realitypolice says: Dec 16, 2013 3:52 PM

    Do any of the people on here who are saying the punter could have made the tackle and needed to be blocked have any clue what the difference is between a block and what Garvin did to Huber last night?

  73. londonbengal says: Dec 16, 2013 3:54 PM

    I guarantee this; if that was Vontaze Burfict making that ‘hit’ on the Steelers punter, there would have been about seven flags thrown……

    Props to the Steelers, they beat us up, down and sideways…….

  74. jmorand47 says: Dec 16, 2013 3:56 PM

    What I’m trying to understand is what is wrong with the officials that work Steeler’s games? Seriously. No flag on Tomlin on Thanksgiving and nothing on that blindside block last night. Both of them very easy to see. I wonder.

  75. badoglick says: Dec 16, 2013 3:57 PM

    If the punter hadn’t been blocked, he could have very well made the tackle. He had every right to take him out. It wasn’t like Huber was running away from the play and got his head taken off. He was trying to make a play and wasn’t aware of his surroundings and paid for it with his jaw. That’s on Huber

  76. nickster31 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:00 PM

    I will put it like this;

    If you are only on special teams, you are at the bottom of the roster, right?

    Up 14-0, they punt, AB breaks free, and the only person between AB and the end zone is the punter.

    If the punter makes that tackle, do you think Garvin still has a job today? If the punter horse-collars AB, tearing up his knee, do you think Garvin ever gets another NFL job?

    The answer is no.

    This kid saw AB breaking free and saw the chance to show the coaches what he can do, and he did. He did his job!

    Defenseless player? Why is he defenseless? Is he wearing the same helmet as the other guys? The same shoulder pads? Why is he more defenseless than a 175 pound Miles Austin?

    When a QB throws an interception, if he is trying to make yhe tackle, you can block him. If he isnt trying to make the tackle, you cant touch him. Punters or kickers dont want to get hit? Dont try to make a play on the returner.

  77. bigpoppa5501 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:01 PM

    Big hit on Huber no doubt…don’t necessarily think it was a dirty hit. Best wishes on a quick return and Huber needs to go spend some time with Pat McAfee to show him how a kicker/punter should hit!

  78. pittsburghfan71 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:03 PM

    Everybody that things he got hit too hard should go watch soccer. That is rediculous. Watch the replay, the punter was within 5 yards of the ball carrier and he was blocked with one heck of a football hit. If you want to argue that with the hit there was some helmet to helmet contact i would agree with you but this is a special teams player making a big play for his team and i dont think that he meant to hurt the kicker. Honestly he may have not even knew who he was hitting.

  79. Punk says: Dec 16, 2013 4:05 PM

    Peyton Manning broke his jaw and vertebrae in his neck. Missed one play.

    I’m just saying.

  80. izlye says: Dec 16, 2013 4:06 PM

    No problem whatsoever with this Block.
    I’ve played football and coached football on various levels through my life…I find people who say goodel is ruining football, they’re trying to make it touch, etc…out of line..you’re thought since pop Warner not to lead with your head, to tackle with your shoulder. Most fines are deserved…..tackle right. U won’t get fined. But this block was a great, solid block. The fact that he’s a punter should have nothing to do with it. You think in the split second hes thinking o no…quick, he’s a punter, lay off? No ! He should be applauded for giving maximum effort to spring his guy for a td return. Injuries suck, but they’re part of the game, was a clean block’ led w his elbows.

  81. getyourownname says: Dec 16, 2013 4:08 PM

    A few years ago, the Ravens had a long snapper barely able to stand up due to injury. The Cleveland nose tackle (I think Shaun Rogers) could have injured him seriously, and legally, by running him over, but Rogers showed class by merely engaging him on an extra point play in which he was not likely to have an impact.

    Seems like most players have a better sense of the welfare of their fellow players than many forum posters, and of course Garvin.

  82. hnicgm says: Dec 16, 2013 4:13 PM

    Hoping for a speedy recovery.
    But….iMhO it was not a dirty block.
    Based on the point of attack he, the punter, had an opportunity to make a tackle and he, Garvin, was in position to make a block.
    To be sure, it was a devastating hit….but not illegal. Yes, I agree, did he have to hit him that hard???
    I do hope Huber recovers fully and is able to be back on the field soon.

  83. fc187 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:14 PM

    Whine, whine, whine.

  84. junglerat524 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:16 PM

    That’s not on Huber idiot. It’s about a classless Steeler jacking him up with a helmet to the jaw. He has every right to block him from the tackle no doubt. He just went the Steeler way instead. Classless. Not to worry though. Once again the Steelers will be shining their 6 rings while watching another postseason without them.

  85. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 4:16 PM

    badoglick says:
    Dec 16, 2013 3:57 PM
    If the punter hadn’t been blocked, he could have very well made the tackle. He had every right to take him out. It wasn’t like Huber was running away from the play and got his head taken off. He was trying to make a play and wasn’t aware of his surroundings and paid for it with his jaw. That’s on Huber

    You clearly do not understand the conversation. No one is saying that Garvin was not allowed to block Huber. What is being said is that he was not allowed to block him by drilling the top of his helmet into Huber’s jaw. Have I used small enough words?

  86. truths4all says: Dec 16, 2013 4:17 PM

    When Kurt Warner threw a pick against the Saints, he started trotting towards the ball carrier. Warner then got completely blindsided and the resultant concussion led to his request that the Cards really upgrade their O-line which Rod Graves and Whisenhunt pooh-poohed. That in turn led to Warner deciding to retire with his wits intact instead becoming the punching bags that Derek Anderson and Kevin Kolb became.

    BUT, the case in point is there was no flag and the NFL decreed that once the QB or kicker or punter placed themselves in the flow of the play, they became fair game to be hit.

    Huber accepted that danger when he signed his contract and stepped on the playing field and sealed that by running towards the return man which then made him eligible to be hit. Huber bears the brunt of the responsibility as he has to look out for himself.

    If you don’t want to get hit, go play tennis, badminton, pingpong, chess, tidywinks, checkers, or hide behind a computer expressing your indignance that someone hit someone hard enough to knock him on his ass and out of a game. Huber had no business taking money from the Bengals or stepping on the field of play if he did not want risk getting hit.

    There are far too many lawyers trying to tell pro football players how to play football. These lawyers are going to kill the NFL and make it into a powderpuff league.

  87. trollaikman8 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:20 PM

    Typical Steelerfan trying to frame the argument to “OMG y cant we jus play football??!”

    I don’t care if was a punter or a dlineman, the guy got speared crown2chin. Sorry you’re not making the playoffs but that’s no excuse to go cheapshotting 150lb opposition.

    Also, someone check the tape for where Tomlin was standing while this took place.

  88. sippindasyzurp says: Dec 16, 2013 4:22 PM

    Someone will eventually end up dead from a hit.. It will happen, players are only bigger, stronger, faster.

  89. ninersareyesterdaysnews says: Dec 16, 2013 4:24 PM

    If that isn’t the definition of “lining someone up with the crown of the helmet,” I don’t know what is. Hands down one of the dirtiest hits we’ve seen this season.

  90. osage44 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:31 PM

    “Steelers” is just a synonym for “cheap shots”,and it is what a losing team resorts to when nothing else works.

  91. kennyx says: Dec 16, 2013 4:32 PM

    Cheapshot plain and simple…. but what can you expect from the Steelers?

    I dont care if it was a linebacker, or a lineman, but there was no need to line the guy up and go head hunting.

    Put it this way, would it be okay to go after the knee’s of an unsuspecting player, and bend his leg backwards (McGahee/Lattimore style)?

    Absolutely not!!! He could of knocked him down easily with a chest shot… no need to try and show how much a ‘man’ you are by driving your helmet to another man’s chin. CHEAP SHOT!!!!!

  92. 303bengalguy says: Dec 16, 2013 4:33 PM

    Doesn’t matter what the rule is about being a defenseless player. The hit was bush-league, fineable, and suspendable, period.

    It could have been on any position player, it was a stupid play by Garvin.

  93. tonyadams66 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:35 PM

    It’s plays like this that are going to kill someone.

  94. Nofoolnodrool says: Dec 16, 2013 4:36 PM

    You clearly do not understand the conversation. No one is saying that Garvin was not allowed to block Huber. What is being said is that he was not allowed to block him by drilling the top of his helmet into Huber’s jaw. Have I used small enough words?

    I think your outrage and misplaced sense of intellectual superiority would be more believable had you displayed the same outrage when Bell was concussed on thanksgiving by the ravens with no fine or flag? Being a homer is ok, but eat a snickers dude and grab some reality….don’t be bitter your Bungals are getting close….just not yet there.

  95. pbastille says: Dec 16, 2013 4:40 PM

    Last time I saw a hit like that, it was an 8-point buck trying to take on my ’95 Suburban.

  96. jeromepc01 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:43 PM

    On a side not, why does the NFL continue to parade Ed Hochuli and his crew out onto the field? Last week’s “personal foul” call against Nick Fairley for “roughing” the passer and the “hold” on Ndamukong Suh were borderline criminal. And then they miss the most obvious penalty of the game last night (on a play that essentially sealed the game no less). And this is on top of every other blunder he has in every other game. Why are NFL players and coaches always held to a higher standard than NFL officials?

  97. methoderik says: Dec 16, 2013 4:44 PM

    That was a total cheap shot. You can clearly see Garvin notice that Huber wasn’t looking and almost say to himself “Oh I am about to lay Dude out!”
    He could have completely tackled him or rendered him useless on the play without that kind of hit. He took a cheap shot and knew it before he even hit Huber.
    Typical Steelers bull crap. I guess when age catches up to you, and your watching the division leaving you behind, you get desperate.

  98. patsfan1820 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:47 PM

    How was the hit not flagged? Seriously do cheap shots to the helmet not warrant a flag? Sheesh.

  99. jgg1 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:48 PM

    What everybody is missing and nobody has pointed out is, in the heat of battle you see a player trying to tackle your guy, you don’t stop to think am I allowed to block this guy or not. I not saying block wasen’t legal the NFL will determine that. This is football expect to be hit.

  100. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 4:48 PM

    Thanks for all of the well wishes from Steelers fans for Huber’s recovery.

    Oh wait, there weren’t anyway. Just an intense need to justify the unjustifiable.

    Lack. Of. Class.

  101. theytukrjobs says: Dec 16, 2013 4:49 PM

    The hit was unecessary sure but punters need to watch where the hell they are going. This dude was running one way and looking another.

  102. rjt34 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:51 PM

    I dork have a dog in this fight, not a fan of either Pitt or Cincinnati.. The hit was cheap, bush league.. He’s a PUNTER, the Pitt guy is a LB.. He needs to show what a tough guy he is by lighting up a punter? It’s like Sean Taylor lighting up Brian Moorman a few years back in the PRO BOWL GAME.. Come on guys, u wanna show how big & tough you are? Go knock down a 230LB RB with a tough hit not a frigging punter! Take on a guy like Marshawn Lynch/Arian Foster up high & show how tough you are.. Not a lot of street cred hitting a punter, they are nothing more than grass fairies!!

  103. allidoiswin55 says: Dec 16, 2013 4:56 PM

    That was obviously a cheap shot .. But what I don’t get is why their wasn’t a flag ? That play had points scored that by rules should have been taken off the board..

    My team is full if hitters .. And they get flagged all the time even though they happen against TE’s and LB’s.. This was a clear foul and affects this guys life for a while …

    The Seahawks play this way and are flagged regularly , take into account all the complaints about Gronk but forget that was legal and take this play which was illegal and add your outrage to this..

    If this was to a playoff teams kicker guranteed this was have major ramifications .. And retaliation should have been had…

  104. steelersfanfromtheseventies says: Dec 16, 2013 4:58 PM

    afcdomination says:
    Dec 16, 2013 3:24 PM
    gosh, with the bengals going to the playoffs, that is really unfortunate for him. sucks to play all these games and get to where some guys never get a chance to play(postseason) only to go down to something like this.

    Its only one game he will be missing( post season)

  105. jeromepc01 says: Dec 16, 2013 5:08 PM

    There was only one bright side to that hit Garvin laid on Huber. And that was that we got to hear Al Michaels say this:

    “Hold on now. There’s a flag on the field. Oh wait. No, that’s the Bengals’ punter Kevin Huber.”

    Really, Al? You’re now struggling to tell the difference between a little yellow flag and a grown ass man dressed up like a tiger?

  106. black43gold says: Dec 16, 2013 5:09 PM

    Like a few others have pointed out, Pat McAfee needs to teach a class on how to cover your own punts. No need to patronize all punters/kickers by calling them “defenseless” at all times, most likely due to their small stature and lack of depth at the position, but the rule has to be complete and account for events like this one.

    I say if you have a small guy like Huber punting, the team should be able to elect to have an extra “tackler” in the formation, and the punter must head to sidelines after kicking the ball. Or if you have a stout punter like the Colts do, then the punter is also a tackler and can be treated like any of the other 10 men in the coverage unit. It is ridiculous to expect guys flying around the field to determine what position the guy plays that you are about to level. It sure is easy to criticize Garvin’s decision-making when you see a slo-mo replay 10 times as a fan, but it just is not that easy to do.

    And since this story was partially leaked by Rapoport, you already know there is misinformation. Huber did fracture his jaw, but the cracked vertebrae was an old, pre-existing injury. Not caused by the hit. This is not like a car claims adjuster that gives you insurance money for an already broken headlight when you get rear-ended.

    It definitely doesn’t change the fact that Huber got a broken jaw, and I definitely feel for the guy and hope he recovers quickly. As a Steelers fan, I’d gladly offer any of the punters we’ve had on roster this season to the Bengals as a condolence.

  107. steelcurtainn says: Dec 16, 2013 5:12 PM

    The Steelers have a habit of always breaking something in Cincinnati. Their not called the steelcurtain for nothing.

  108. onbucky96 says: Dec 16, 2013 5:16 PM

    Steelers are always getting in cheap shots. Why doesn’t someone, I don’t know, order a Code Red on a Steeler one week. Fines don’t seem to be working.

  109. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 5:27 PM

    @steelcurtainn
    I sincerely hope that no one ever does the same thing to one of your players. We can only assume that you and your fellow trolls would mock your own guy in the same way.

  110. Deb says: Dec 16, 2013 5:29 PM

    The moment the punt left Huber’s foot and he started running toward the ball carrier, he became a defender. Punters are only defenseless up to the point that they get the ball away. Anyone who doesn’t understand that distinction, shouldn’t be writing about sports.

    My response to this is the same as it is to any perceived foul: If it’s a foul, flag it on the field. It does no good to fine someone after the fact. As for the calls to suspend Gavin … well, tackle football has reached a sad state if we’re now suspending blockers for doing their job.

    Best wishes to Huber in his recovery.

  111. jmblosser82 says: Dec 16, 2013 5:34 PM

    Excessive hit for sure but you can’t go for a tackle or slow the player down and still be defenseless. Huber at the least would’ve slowed brown down with no block but the garvin was way too fired up.

  112. steelerrc says: Dec 16, 2013 5:46 PM

    Punt the ball, run off the field. Problem solved.

  113. wisconsinhillfolk says: Dec 16, 2013 6:04 PM

    He laid out a guy attempting to bring down the ball carrier and it was beautiful. He did his job. No way this guy gets suspended. The mere suggestion is laughable. Like watching a punter with a mouthful of gauze.

  114. marthisdil says: Dec 16, 2013 6:10 PM

    “will almost certainly result in a fine since punters are always included in the “defenseless players” category.”

    Bull. Had he done it to the punter in the act of kicking, yes.

    However, this punter was coming in to try and make a play on the return man and got blocked. The guy that put him down even turned his head away so he wasn’t leading with the head. It’s the punters fault for not paying attention to who was in front of him.

  115. timmons94 says: Dec 16, 2013 6:11 PM

    Only thing that matters-that Huber will be ok and a speedy recovery. Don’t like to see anyone get hurt

  116. realitycheckbaby says: Dec 16, 2013 6:16 PM

    Fine and suspend him.

    Also suspend the refs for blowing such an obvious call.

    Steelers cheating?

    Wow.

    Who would have guessed?

  117. realitycheckbaby says: Dec 16, 2013 6:18 PM

    Deb says:
    Dec 16, 2013 5:29 PM

    The moment the punt left Huber’s foot and he started running toward the ball carrier, he became a defender. Punters are only defenseless up to the point that they get the ball away. Anyone who doesn’t understand that distinction, shouldn’t be writing about sports.

    My response to this is the same as it is to any perceived foul: If it’s a foul, flag it on the field. It does no good to fine someone after the fact. As for the calls to suspend Gavin … well, tackle football has reached a sad state if we’re now suspending blockers for doing their job.

    Best wishes to Huber in his recovery.
    ===========================

    So if Roth is in the act of throwing a pass, you don’t have a problem with someone taking out his plant foot or launching the crown of their helmet to his head?

    Oh wait, against the rules?

    So is crown of helmet to anyone.

    And so is taking out a defenseless player.

    Read the rules – punters and kickers are considered defenseless players.

    Of course rules say the HC can’t stand on the field either so…

  118. askcoachjay says: Dec 16, 2013 6:20 PM

    For crying out loud people… it doesn’t matter whether or not he was the punter (although, it is correct that they are designated as defenseless). If he was a reserve linebacker, the block is still illegal.
    Rule 12 Article 9: It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.
    (a) Players in a defenseless posture are:
    (8) A player who receives a “blindside” block when the blocker is moving toward his own endline and
    approaches the opponent from behind or from the side.
    (b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:
    (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or
    shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless
    player by encircling or grasping him; and
    (2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of
    the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.
    I’m pretty sure he did all of these.

  119. sw19womble says: Dec 16, 2013 6:43 PM

    “pbastille says: Dec 16, 2013 4:40 PM

    Last time I saw a hit like that, it was an 8-point buck trying to take on my ’95 Suburban.”

    Oh wow. I hope your ’95 Suburban wasn’t a complete write-off :(

  120. progress2011 says: Dec 16, 2013 7:07 PM

    GET THE FLAGS OUT ALREADY!!!!

    This once great “CONTACT SPORT” is being injected with sooooo much estrogen….Men with testosterone will no longer be able to play!

    1. Since the kicker is a “Defenseless Player” why can’t women play!

    2. Since you can’t tackle the QB high or low and you essentially have to lay them on the ground with a pillow……..again, you might as well allow women to play the position.

    3. Since any hit is now called “VIOLENT” …. stop delaying the inevitable….put flags on the guys and turn it into flag football already…..that’s what’s happening here anyway!

    VIOLENT…. why the heck do guys have on all those friggin pads, if it’s not supposed to be VIOLENT!!!
    Play rugby then!

  121. ninersareyesterdaysnews says: Dec 16, 2013 7:29 PM

    This hit is no different than a WR making a crack back block…if the WR lined him up and then lowered his head and weighed 25 more pounds. Even in the old NFL that was a sketchy hit.

  122. whodeyneedsgm says: Dec 16, 2013 7:38 PM

    2 weeks left for 5 in a row…

    3. Huber Jacked up by no class hit

    2. “Taint” by Wallace-Classy

    1. Tomlin as 12th man.

    Just the Steeler way to increase jersey and memorabilia sales.

  123. bonniebengal says: Dec 16, 2013 7:44 PM

    I didn’t hear it myself but people in Cincinnati are saying that Dave Lapham said on the radio that Steelers players were taunting players about taking their punter out and making it seem planned. Head hunting needs to be investigated.

  124. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 8:05 PM

    @progress2011
    Then let’s follow your logic and get rid of penalties altogether. Let Suh stomp on hands and kick guys in the groin. Break arms. Break legs. Grab ‘nads. Go for the concussion. It’s a violent sport, right?

    Enjoy watching the 8th stringers by the end of the season in your world. #ThinkBeforeYouType

  125. da9ers says: Dec 16, 2013 8:05 PM

    It’s the steelers they lost to tebow lmfao

  126. Deb says: Dec 16, 2013 8:30 PM

    realitycheckbaby says:

    So if Roth is in the act of throwing a pass, you don’t have a problem with someone taking out his plant foot or launching the crown of their helmet to his head? Oh wait, against the rules? So is crown of helmet to anyone. And so is taking out a defenseless player. Read the rules – punters and kickers are considered defenseless players. Of course rules say the HC can’t stand on the field either so…
    ——————————————–
    Don’t add words to my post.

    Once the ball leaves the punter’s foot and he begins chasing the ball carrier, he’s no longer a punter. He’s a member of the defense running down the ball carrier. Yes, read the rules.

    A comparable analogy would be Ben throwing an interception. If he were trying to tackle the ball carrier, he would no longer be a defenseless quarterback but would become a member of the defense. And yes, it would be okay to block him in that situation. That is why you don’t usually see quarterbacks like Brady, Roethlisberger, and Peyton Manning running down guys after interceptions.

    I never said the hit was legal. My comment on this was the same as it is for every hit and every team: FLAG IT ON THE FIELD where it will have an impact on the game. Fining Garvin after the game doesn’t help the Bengals. That’s why I don’t believe in fines.

    Huber was chasing down the ball carrier, so he was fair game. But it was an unnecessary hit, and I didn’t like it. I don’t see how you can suspend Garvin for that–he was blocking a legitimate “defender.” It’s still tackle football and the suspensions and fines are getting out of hand. However, I could care less personally if he’s fined.

  127. dcapettini says: Dec 16, 2013 8:41 PM

    If they are always “defenseless”, put a skirt on them so everybody will know. Or, perhaps more to the point, don’t put people who are inherently “defenseless” on the field. I don’t care how far they can kick. If they cannot play football, they should not be out there, period. If a team feels that they need the extra yards over what a genuine football player can give them, then have the guy exit the field as soon as he kicks.
    The hit was a bit excessive, but this guy had no business even being out there. No way that a marginal player should be suspended, ending his career, or fined a significant percentage of his already somewhat meager earnings. A $100k fine would be 25% of his entire gross pay for the year.

  128. jmblosser82 says: Dec 16, 2013 9:04 PM

    Looked at the replay, garvin does lead with his arms but the sudden impact does a whiplash motion and Huber’s chin met garvins helmet whose momentum was still carrying him thru huber. Huber wasn’t doing himself any favors by watching brown and not even glancing where he was going. I can see a fine coming but since it would appear this is his first offense I can’t see a suspension.

    Get well Huber , hopefully you can get back to work next year.

    Good luck Bengals, hope you win out and help keep the ravens out.

  129. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 10:23 PM

    How do some of you still not get this?

    A man launched himself into another man’s neck with the crown of his helmet.

    How does that make the guy getting hit a wuss who shouldn’t be on the field? The hit broke his jaw and neck.

    How exactly is this complicated?

    If there is nothing wrong with the hit, why don’t we see hits like this happen every week?

  130. jollyjoker2 says: Dec 16, 2013 11:05 PM

    cheap shot by a POS. Guy should be thrown out of the league. This guy wasn’t even hardly in the play and gets leveled in the helmet.

  131. Deb says: Dec 17, 2013 12:26 AM

    @thegenoatkinsdiet …

    Garvin didn’t launch himself into Huber’s neck with the crown of his helmet. Try watching the film again. And Huber did not suffer a broken neck. He walked off the field. Exaggerate much?

    You do see hits like this every week. But usually players are paying attention. This hit was brutal because the punter was focused on Brown and didn’t see Garvin coming. He was caught completely unaware. And punters aren’t exactly built to take those kinds of hits.

  132. mark4steelers says: Dec 17, 2013 12:27 AM

    There is no way this guy should be considered “defenseless”! First, he was running toward & had the angle on the Antonio when he was blocked. Second, how would Garvin know the guy was going to crumble like a cookie (other than the fact that he’s a Bungle)? Third, He wears pads & plays football! Don’t go out there unless you’re willing to accept the fact that you are ABSOLUTELY going to get hit by a really big guy, really hard in the course of your career! It’s part of the game.

    Granted, lawyers like M.F. LUV those key inflammatory terms like “Defenseless” because it’s translates to a pure gravy train for them. Anything to make a buck (or a lot of them). Even help destroy an ageless game.

  133. lamarcro says: Dec 17, 2013 12:28 AM

    It should have been a flag, cincy would have had a better chance at the game. He launched himself into another man’s neck with the crown of his helmet. No excuses though, Pitt walked all over them. I dont agree with the hit at all, 1 it was a punter 2 you rarely see that in the nfl. Me and my dad watched it happen a lot on many other games on sunday where lineman had clear shots on linebackers chasing the quarterback and but only gave them a hard push or some body. Because players respect each other. It was a bitch and immature move, but you cant tell these rookies anything. Little guy trying to be a man. Life goes on though. #WhoDeyNation

  134. cspsrbums says: Dec 17, 2013 1:59 AM

    @dcapettini
    So who cares what the fine does how about the punters career and health gone. hat hit could of happened to anyone on that field it was a blind side hit and unnecessary Garvin should be gone for the season. He used his helmet as a weapon mabe he should be charged, you do that on the street you would go to jail what makes the field any different. (Gross negligence ).

  135. ravanator says: Dec 17, 2013 8:08 AM

    Clean Hit!!! Bengals and their fans are weak crybabies. Ravens win AFCN!!!!!

    #ravensrepeat
    #bengalsareirrelevant

  136. jmblosser82 says: Dec 17, 2013 8:10 AM

    Forget about the cracked vertebrae, team said it’s more likely a prexisting condition. After seeing the slowed zoomed in replay the arms were not led. But huber never glanced at where he was running and that’s on him. Excessive hit indeed, very bad luck, but I think a suspension is a bit much.

  137. sixlombardisinyourface says: Dec 17, 2013 8:12 AM

    Can anyone define “defenseless player” ? No really I can’t wait to hear this definition of “defenseless”.
    Huber was fully dressed in league approved and supplied equipment from head to toe and was making an attempt to tackle the oppoents ball carrier. At what moment did he become “defenseless” ? Because of his body weight ? Because of his percent of body fat ? Because of his position as a punter ? He signed a contract to play football and cahses his paychecks every week right ?

  138. podevil says: Dec 17, 2013 8:22 AM

    The only thing that was wrong with the hit was it was executed by a Pittsburgh Steeler…If A Bengal did it to the Steeler punter, it would be a good hit..So tired of reading how the Steelers did this and that….Grow up people! It’s just a game and these things happen every game, no matter who is playing…I am not a Steeler fan, but what Garvin did was not a bad hit…and definitely not a blindside hit…and as far as the idea that Garvin should have “let up” ..that is completely ridiculous.. Anyone who has actually played in any level, knows that is when you get hurt..and as far as Garvin targeting a specific player, the game is so fast at that level, just hitting a player with a different color jersey is a task…

  139. bonniebengal says: Dec 17, 2013 8:28 AM

    They need to make this fine a statement so nobody tries to take a punter out again. I have a link to Dave Lapham saying that Steelers were taunting Bengals players, saying “We took your punter out. You’re done.” The players told him this themselves. The fine needs to be 50,000 plus suspended for rest of the year. The officiating crew needs to be investigated. I want to know if they or any of them family members had money on Pittsburgh. I want to know if they suddenly have unexplained affluence of any kind. The TD return should have been called back due to the hit on Huber and an uncalled block in the back. The first TD should have been a Safety. I want to know if the NFL is behind this or if the officiating crew is in somebody’s pocket.

  140. ballbuster00 says: Dec 17, 2013 10:05 AM

    @steely “happens a 1000 times”… yeah right. And the last time was when? I thought so. It happens every now and then but those players draw a flag and could end up on the sidelines. You are right in that he had no business not wearing a mouthpiece, but I doubt that protects against a broken neck.

    This one was a helmet to helmet no doubt. Some try to make it a chest hit that when up into the head. James Harrison’s hit on Colt McCoy was one where his helmet hit into the chest and rode right up into the head. This one had initial contact into the face mask. If the main impact was the chest as some claim, then I doubt there is enough force left to both break a jaw and a neck.

    Thing is, he easily could have buried his shoulder right into his chest, drove the guy hard into the ground, and knocked the wind out of him for a week. This was meant to do more and was uncalled for. I’m for penalizing a guy to be suspended as long as the injured player is out on such a penalizing hit like this. If a guy goes down on a clean, legit hit, then that’s life. But cheap shot crap like this needs to have an equalizing penalty.

  141. kmartin173 says: Dec 17, 2013 10:18 AM

    I don’t even care about the “defenseless”, what kind of “man” wants to do that to a punter?

  142. Deb says: Dec 17, 2013 11:23 AM

    lamarcro says:

    It should have been a flag, cincy would have had a better chance at the game. He launched himself into another man’s neck with the crown of his helmet. No excuses though, Pitt walked all over them. I dont agree with the hit at all, 1 it was a punter 2 you rarely see that in the nfl. Me and my dad watched it happen a lot on many other games on sunday where lineman had clear shots on linebackers chasing the quarterback and but only gave them a hard push or some body. Because players respect each other. It was a bitch and immature move, but you cant tell these rookies anything. Little guy trying to be a man. Life goes on though. #WhoDeyNation

    ————————————————
    I disagree with your line that Garvin launched himself into another man’s “neck.” Given the speed at which these plays occur, it would be impossible to target someone’s “neck.” In fact, I doubt Garvin even realized he was hitting the punter. He just went for a guy who had an angle on the ball carrier.

    Otherwise, though, your post is the most mature and reasonable I’ve read from any Bengals fan on this thread. And you’re right–Garvin should have just shoved Huber aside.

  143. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 17, 2013 12:05 PM

    Deb, let me put it this way. Ever heard the old football adage “See what you hit”? You say you’ve seen the video. Where are Garvin’s eyes, given the angle of his facemask?

    From what I see, Garvin is looking at Huber’s waist. Or lower. Had he kept his head up and seen Huber’s face when he made the tackle, this is just one great hit and nothing more comes of it. No broken jaw. No cracked vertebrae. No pending fine. But he didn’t.

    I will agree with your comment that he did not target the neck. He couldn’t see it. But it is where he hit. And Huber will spend the next two months eating through a straw because of it.

  144. winninaintsinnin says: Dec 17, 2013 12:21 PM

    BTW, for anyone who cares it’s Article 7: Players in a Defenseless Posture. Subsection (a) (6) on page 67 of the rules book.

    7 Players in a Defenseless Posture
    (a) Players in a defenseless posture are:
    (6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return.

  145. winninaintsinnin says: Dec 17, 2013 12:56 PM

    Hey everyone – the rules are the rules.

    You may not agree – fine. I may not agree – fine.

    But they are what they are.

    There have been a bunch of rules over the last several years to protect QBs that may seem to be too much, but they are the rules.

    I keep reading people say there should be no action against this guy because you don’t like the rules.

    It’s not how it works.

    A punter (or kicker) is considered defenseless when on the field – THAT’S THE RULE.

    If that was a receiver trying to catch the ball (defenseless) the guy would certainly be fined and should have been flagged and possibly tossed.

  146. harbingeroftruth says: Dec 17, 2013 12:57 PM

    Garvin should be fined and suspended for two games starting in the 2014 season. The Steelers should be fined as an organization and levied a punishment of a draft pick.

  147. benjaminremo says: Dec 17, 2013 1:06 PM

    You’re right, Garvin should have stopped and thought about who he was hitting before making such a vicious block…Get out of here. He was playing football and I for one am glad they didn’t throw the flag for once. You don’t have time to think about who or what you are hitting, it’s all reactionary. Flip side, I don’t see anyone screaming about a punter tackling a guy by the facemask, which seems to happen on the regular. That is also dangerous, wouldn’t you say? All in all, a good hit.

    I feel for Huber and do not wish that on anybody. If Huber had gotten up and trotted off the field, we would be talking about what a good block it was instead of victimizing a guy who is just trying to make a name for himself.

  148. mostlombardisintheleague says: Dec 17, 2013 1:08 PM

    If a punter or kicker are defenseless, why are they allowed to attempt to make a tackle ?

    If punters are to be considered to be defenseless, then change the format of the entire punt routine: the punter and only the punter with no member of his team or his opponents team on the field punts the ball from corresponding yard line determined from previous play. Receiveing team takes over on downs from where the ball lands.

  149. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 17, 2013 1:09 PM

    I disagree with your line that Garvin launched himself into another man’s “neck.” Sorry, but Mike Pereira disagrees with you. Search his tweets if you don’t believe me.

    I am certain you won’t believe this one, but a Bengals media person is reporting that Steelers players were taunting the Bengals after the play, saying, “We got your punter! We got him!”

  150. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 17, 2013 1:11 PM

    In fact, I doubt Garvin even realized he was hitting the punter.

    Probably right. But isn’t it his job to know? How hard is that?

  151. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 17, 2013 2:36 PM

    If this was just a hard clean hit like all of you Steelers fans said, why does Tomlin expect the league to nail him for it? Why isn’t he vowing to fight for his ‘innocent’ player? Obviously he knows what all of us know about that hit…

  152. winninaintsinnin says: Dec 17, 2013 4:55 PM

    mark4steelers says: Dec 17, 2013 12:27 AM

    There is no way this guy should be considered “defenseless”! First, he was running toward & had the angle on the Antonio when he was blocked. Second, how would Garvin know the guy was going to crumble like a cookie (other than the fact that he’s a Bungle)? Third, He wears pads & plays football! Don’t go out there unless you’re willing to accept the fact that you are ABSOLUTELY going to get hit by a really big guy, really hard in the course of your career! It’s part of the game.

    Granted, lawyers like M.F. LUV those key inflammatory terms like “Defenseless” because it’s translates to a pure gravy train for them. Anything to make a buck (or a lot of them). Even help destroy an ageless game.
    =================================

    Mark, you have to read the rules.

    It has nothing to do with lawyers.

    No one is saying he should sue or the player should be sued.

    If I don’t like the rule that you can’t go at the knees of a QB does that mean the rule shouldn’t be enforced?

    The rules are the rules. The punter is considered a defenseless player at all times.

    Period.

  153. cincystew says: Dec 17, 2013 5:33 PM

    Guy most likely has his life changed by a dirty hit, and there isnt one person from Pitt who can just own it and say it was a dirty hit. If that was a Bengal, yes there would be trolls saying similar things. But a reasonable fanbase would also have people saying that they wish him a speedy recovery and not using it as a forum to try and act like they are tough so they feel good about themselves sitting on their couches in January with nothing to cheer for. Reason #1 why nobody would give a damn if Pitt and every Yinser in it sank into the Ohio River.

  154. cincystew says: Dec 17, 2013 5:34 PM

    and if that were Vontaze, he would probably be suspended the last two games of the year. And nobody can deny that. Double standard.

  155. scchamil says: Dec 17, 2013 6:39 PM

    “and if that were Vontaze, he would probably be suspended the last two games of the year. And nobody can deny that. Double standard.”

    That’s exactly right and that’s my biggest problem with it. I’m not even mad about the Steelers guy – it was a cheap shot, but it’s a fast paced sport and players make bad decisions sometimes. If a guy wants to the weigh the risk and go for a knock out, ok hope it was worth it. The problem I have is that here is the most violent illegal hit of the season…and it wasn’t even a penalty. There were literally no consequences – it was completely to the benefit of the team who committed the foul. To echo a Seahawks fan who mentioned this earlier – I watch my team get ticky tack personal fouls weekly. I watch every team get them. How was this not called? Every team has “tough guys” who would occassionally like to lay some guys out- but they don’t. Not because it’s right or wrong morally, but because the NFL has put rules in place that absolutely kill your team (ask Ahmad Brooks…ask Burfict).

    So here is a prime time game and league officials miss a hit so brutal that it will go on all the offseason ref training videos, miss the block in the back on the same play, miss Dalton getting hit well after he slides, miss Brown hitting guys and starting fights after the whistle… I’m not as mad at the Steelers for doing it. It’s just fundamentally a problem when the team that commits the fouls benefits from them without any repurcussion. Steelers played a good game and Bengals didn’t play particularly well… so I truly don’t believe it would’ve changed this particular W/L outcome. It’s just a lot easier to impose your will and beat up a team, when the officials put their whistles in their pocket for one side and not the other. To their credit, the refs did later catch Nelson for “taunting” a Steelers OL to extend an eventual scoring drive. broken jaw, concussions, cracked vertibrae = play on fellas. potty mouth language in vicinity of opponent = gotta whistle that.

  156. superpatsfan3 says: Dec 17, 2013 7:13 PM

    Nowhere in the rule book, I believe, does there say “Use minimal force” when making a play of any sort. I believe the blocker could’ve made a much lower hit (squaring him up in the chest) but to say he’s “defenseless” when he’s trying to make a tackle is BS. That guy gets paid hundreds of thousands, if not in the millions to punt a ball 2-8 times, every sunday. It’s stressful, I’m sure but it’s nowhere near the pressure of kicking and it’s damn sure nowhere close to being as physically taxing as an every-down player. The whole “Goal” in my opinion of football is to enforce your will upon your opponent. That means hitting them hard, over and over, until they do not want anymore. I’m very sorry that that guy sustained such severe injury but that’s part of it. The hit was borderline dirty…not if the NFL didn’t lose (yes they lost) the concussion lawsuit this doesn’t even make the news. I think he’ll get a hefty fine…and I think that guy will likely punt again and continue making millions, punting a football a few times a week on Sundays 16 times a year.

  157. ydousuk says: Dec 17, 2013 9:43 PM

    Deb says:Dec 17, 2013 12:26 AM

    @thegenoatkinsdiet …

    Garvin didn’t launch himself into Huber’s neck with the crown of his helmet. Try watching the film again. And Huber did not suffer a broken neck. He walked off the field. Exaggerate much?

    You do see hits like this every week. But usually players are paying attention. This hit was brutal because the punter was focused on Brown and didn’t see Garvin coming. He was caught completely unaware. And punters aren’t exactly built to take those kinds of hits.
    ———————————————————-

    So, let me get this straight, it was the punter’s fault that the Pittsburgh player hit him illegally?

    Seriously? So it didn’t have anything to do with the Steeler blocker leading with the crown of his helmet, and breaking the punter’s jaw……….right.

  158. realitycheckbaby says: Dec 17, 2013 10:56 PM

    @superpatsfan3 – I guess you wouldn’t mind if a DL picks Brady up and drops him on his head, breaking a few vertebra. Or hitting him in the mouth with the crown of the helmet so he’s out for the rest of the season?

    What’s that? It’s against the rules because he’s defenseless?

    Well guess what, the rules also say the punter is whether that’s over your head or not.

    This is not interpretation. The rules specifically define kickers and punters, during the kick or the return, as defenseless.

    EOS

  159. gallopinggilmore says: Dec 18, 2013 10:43 AM

    This is just sad. A guy with a bright future in the NFL may never come back by personal decision if not due to permanent injury. I wish Huber a strong physical and mental recovery.

  160. scchamil says: Dec 18, 2013 12:54 PM

    @superpatsfan3 – I get what you’re saying. It is the goal of every team to impose it’s will on the other… but you can’t give one team avenues to do that which aren’t available to the other team. Bengals can’t police their own game and retaliate because they’ll be flagged so quick it will make their head spin. The rules are really restrictive -but the selective and inconsistent enforcement of theose rules by refs is what is killing these games.

    Maybe 10 years ago that was a “borderline dirty hit” (and even then I think you’ll hear a lot of old pros say that targeting the punter for a head shot was sketchy in their day too). However in todays NFL – it’s not even remotely close to legal or clean. It’s exactly the kind of hit they claim they are trying to eliminate and the reason we have to put up with all the questionable ticky tack personal foul calls all season. It’s literally the most physically damaging illegal hit I’ve seen all season – and the refs completely ate their whistle. This is not the one that people should be riled up about (even Steelers fans) – its clearly against the rules that all the teams went into the season with (I’m every special teams coach in the legaue went over rules regarding head shots to punters). So it’s not really about the league going soft (it may be)… its about terrible officiating and the fact that we’ll see 20-30 hits a lot less damaging, premeditated or obviously illegal called this Sunday – and almost all will impact games. Either the refs need to get on the same damn page or they need to follow Belicheck’s suggestion and let the coach call for a review on anything.

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