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Garvin should have been flagged for hit on Huber

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If Kevin Huber weren’t the Bengals punter, the helmet-to-chin hit applied to him by Steelers linebacker Terence Garvin may have been legal.  Since Huber is a punter, it doesn’t matter.

Punters and kickers at all times fall within the definition of defenseless players.  This means that they can’t be struck by an opponent with a helmet or in the head or neck area.

In this specific case, Garvin hit Huber with a helmet in the head, breaking Huber’s jaw.  A flag should have been thrown.

Don’t be shocked if the league admits the mistake during the week.  Even if an express admission isn’t made, the fine that inevitably will be imposed on Garvin will do all the talking.

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  1. kicksave1980 says: Dec 16, 2013 12:28 AM

    I understand that on special teams, you’re looking to hit anything that moves, and I’m fine with that. But it’s a punk move to line up the punter like that. Maybe he feels tougher after lining up…the punter. He should be fined.

  2. blackngold4life says: Dec 16, 2013 12:29 AM

    He’ll get his FedX envelope tomarrow bright and early

  3. mightymorgan18 says: Dec 16, 2013 12:30 AM

    The refs favored the Steelers so the Patriots could still get the first round bye. Duh.

  4. cincy85 says: Dec 16, 2013 12:34 AM

    I was screaming at the tv when that happened. These officials are a joke, almost as big of a joke as this bengals team. Been a bengals fan all my life and I’m just so sick of this stupid crap. They looked like they never played a game of football before. Dalton sucks… Let me say it again dalton sucks. Other then AJ no receiver can get open to do anything. The law firm is like a bag of rocks he’s slow and like to never breaks a tackle (usually falls over from running into his own line. The fact we’re 9-5 is amazing in its self. Needless to say I fully expect us to lose out and miss the playoffs because anytime this team feels pressure they fall apart. Who dey? Anybody that matters. #fedupbengalsfan

  5. a35pittfan says: Dec 16, 2013 12:36 AM

    Shut up already with this garbage. This is why the NFL is becoming a joke of a princess leauge. If a punter trying to make a tackle gets hit he is not a defenseless player. Get with it already. Stupid article PERIOD!

  6. meatcarroll says: Dec 16, 2013 12:37 AM

    Oh please. Let’s stop babying these guys. They’re football players just like the rest of their teammates.

  7. pantsfreezone says: Dec 16, 2013 12:38 AM

    Yes, but Huber isn’t a QB so the refs and league don’t care.

  8. killerpgh says: Dec 16, 2013 12:41 AM

    If Kicker/Punter/QB are considered defenseless at all time they shouldn’t be allowed to to try and make plays on interceptions/returns/etc.

  9. eleventyeight says: Dec 16, 2013 12:44 AM

    Agreed that it was a vicious hit and seems a poster-child type example of the Hines Ward Rule regarding these kind of blind-sided hits.

    But- what was Garvin supposed to do?

    It wasn’t a case of Garvin seeking out someone to hit. The punter ran directly into Garvin’s path and kinda stopped as he tried to adjust to cover the return when he suddenly found himself in front of a Garvin who didn’t even appear to see him until the last moment.

    And it didn’t look much like the punter had been using a mouthpiece.

    So yeah- it should have been flagged(and i’m a Steelers fan) but i don’ know what Garvin could have done to avoid it..?

    A fine is necessary to enforce the rule but Garvin wasn’t trying to hit the guy- the punter ran in front of him. Maybe punters and kickers should use mouthpieces too.

    I hope the guy heels up OK. Dental injuries are terrible.

  10. smokingconch says: Dec 16, 2013 12:51 AM

    So, in the fraction of a second we expect a defender to adjust to an offensive player, he now also has to figure out what position they play before delivering his hit?

    Oh come on…

  11. k4aic says: Dec 16, 2013 12:52 AM

    Well DUH! There were quite a few NO CALLS in this game, with Huber hit being the most obvious. But it’s the Steelers and the refs are in the pockets of the team, probably why Big Jen was laughing it up with them before the game. This league is rigged and it’s a shame!

  12. gallopinggilmore says: Dec 16, 2013 12:52 AM

    great, so not only did the Bengals lose their punter for who knows how long… they should have gotten the ball back and the return TD should of been wiped off the board. Penalty flags were heavily one sided against the bengals in this game. I like both these teams, this just smells like another gift for the Pats

  13. bearwithjetpack says: Dec 16, 2013 12:59 AM

    Contrary to popular belief, punters and kickers ARE football players.

    Head on a swivel.

  14. mayfieldroadboy says: Dec 16, 2013 1:11 AM

    The hit did involve a helmet to the head, more specifically, the chin. And this is the “fabled” Ed Hoculi referring the game. Just proves that some teams are favored by officials, and others are just ignored.

  15. pitpenguinsrulez says: Dec 16, 2013 1:14 AM

    Boo Hoo!!!! The Bumgals lose…thus I can’t wait to see them choke in January. Hey Bumgal fans how long has it been since yinz won a playoff game?

  16. sneakyqb says: Dec 16, 2013 1:15 AM

    If that is the current rule it should be changed. No nfl player who is trying to tackle another should be protected as a defenseless player.

  17. Umbra Aeternus says: Dec 16, 2013 1:20 AM

    If a defenseless player is trying to make a tackle, he should not be a defenseless player.
    I’m not saying Garvin’s tackle was legal or not, but if that kicker wants to make a tackle, it’s fair for the other team to hit him like a normal player.

  18. bryans49ers says: Dec 16, 2013 1:20 AM

    Get the kickers off the field if they can’t be hit!

  19. nfl4days says: Dec 16, 2013 1:35 AM

    Really just a dirt bag move. You know the punter isnt running down one of the fastest WRs in the NFL, and you didn’t have to use that much force. Don’t give me the “its football” BS. Brandon Marshalls block on Sean Lee is the perfect example of blocking a guy with enough force to knock him down but not trying to put him in the hospital just because you can. How about some respect for each others health. That man has a family.

  20. mikebrownistheworstownerinprosports says: Dec 16, 2013 1:43 AM

    A dirty hit…imagine that. That said, the 2 TDs given up by bad special teams is what made the difference. Congrats to the Steelers for winning their superbowl.

  21. trollaikman8 says: Dec 16, 2013 1:45 AM

    It’s the Steelers. Their coach could’ve stepped on the field and kicked the punter square in the face and it wouldn’t have been flagged.

  22. fantasysportslockerroom says: Dec 16, 2013 1:45 AM

    Can someone please explain why punters are defenseless even while not in the act of punting?

  23. Stiller43 says: Dec 16, 2013 2:02 AM

    Isnt this the same hit that was sean taylors biggest play? (Pro bowl vs brian moorman)

  24. boomgrounder says: Dec 16, 2013 2:03 AM

    How can the NFL referees not know their own rules? It was an obvious helmet to helmet vicious hit to the head of a defenseless player in this instance. It happened near the ball carrier and a referee should have seen it and thrown a flag. I’m not a Bengals or Steelers fan but I thought it was a blatant helmet to helmet hit and I saw it when it happened live and thought the punter would have been knocked unconscious. I don’t know how the referees could have possibly missed it if they were following the play.

  25. raidersftw says: Dec 16, 2013 2:10 AM

    It was a big hit no doubt but I didn’t see the issue. Punters can horse caller kick returners but can’t be blocked?

  26. sicarii87 says: Dec 16, 2013 2:14 AM

    god damned right it’s a fine. Borderline eject-able hit.

  27. zonon85 says: Dec 16, 2013 2:18 AM

    You must have missed Huber’s helmet actually bending at the jaw line from the helmet to helmet hit so it was illegal by rule, the punter not withstanding. Garvin may get a game suspension for it too or at least a $50k fine. I’m starting to understand how and why the league is penalizing for these hits more and more. 5 years ago Garvin would have gone helmet to face and Huber may very well have been taken from this world right before our eyes. As is, within 5 years these type of hits will result in ejection just like in college. I played tight end and linebacker a while back and love big hits, but seeing a player laid out like that makes me wonder how long before “it ” really happens.

  28. regis18 says: Dec 16, 2013 2:49 AM

    If the punter is about to tackle the runner twenty yards down field, is a blocker expected to recognize that it is the punter and adjust his block? The punter is not wearing a red shirt or any identification that he is the punter. That is a strange rule. One cannot expect a potential blocker to identify the punter down field in a fast moving situation. Maybe the punter should be confined to behind the line of scrimmage by rule.

  29. lawyermalloy says: Dec 16, 2013 3:14 AM

    Garvin must feel like a real he-man tonight. Knocking out a 200 pound PUNTER took a lot of courage!

  30. douglasgreenbriar says: Dec 16, 2013 4:54 AM

    Punters trying to make a tackle shouldn’t be protected. Quarterbacks trying to make a tackles after they throw a pick or are just running with the ball shouldn’t be protected either.

    Looks like the refs finally got one right.

  31. tinopuno says: Dec 16, 2013 5:14 AM

    It was a gutless cheap shot!

  32. snccoach says: Dec 16, 2013 5:31 AM

    I’m not a fan of either one of those teams, but that non-call still baffles me. No matter what position Huber was that was a penalty. CLEARLY leading with the head.

    If that kind of hit was put on a quarterback they would of vilified and ejected Garvin.

  33. doctorrustbelt says: Dec 16, 2013 5:41 AM

    As a Bengals fan…. I wasn’t surprised about the no call (on the steelers) and I won’t be surprised when the the league does nothing or barely anything (to the steelers).

    We have seen the lopsided decisions much too often.

  34. seabassfan says: Dec 16, 2013 5:48 AM

    Wait the Steelers did something illegal and got away with it?! I’m in complete disbelief.

  35. tictoccpthook says: Dec 16, 2013 6:01 AM

    When Huber dropped the ball, chased it and picked it up and tried to run with it, he was a legal target.

    The Steelers demolished the Bengals. Easy to see. Pretty good game for a team everyone has written off. They don’t quit.

  36. Kolo Jezdec says: Dec 16, 2013 6:16 AM

    No argument that the hit on Huber should and will likely draw a fine. But c’mon. A punter or kicker is a defenseless player at all times? Certainly while they are in the act of kicking or following through on a kick they are ‘defenseless,’ but when coming downfield to make a tackle? If they are considered defenseless and cannot be legally blocked just like any other player on the kick team, then kickers/punters ought to immediately sprint for the sideline after a kick.

  37. iamozzie says: Dec 16, 2013 6:28 AM

    That had to hurt…

  38. peytonwantsaflag says: Dec 16, 2013 6:31 AM

    Not surprisingly not a word from collinsworth about it – while he’s wetting himself over how tough the stealers are they’re showing non called late hits, blatant holds, pass interference on tv. I don’t want homerism from collinsworth but how about a little objectivity for the team that gave you your career?

  39. Joemontanaflacco says: Dec 16, 2013 6:36 AM

    This team can’t get through a single game without some type of egregious, dirty cheap shot.

  40. edgarcaetano says: Dec 16, 2013 6:38 AM

    Ravens’ Courtney Upshaw got flagged for a chest bump on an opposing punter that was gearing to make a tackle on Jacoby Jones a couple of weeks ago….

  41. remyje says: Dec 16, 2013 6:47 AM

    WVU!

  42. uncletuna says: Dec 16, 2013 6:47 AM

    Always amazed how the Steelers get accolades of being a “tough, but classy” organization…

    Never seen a team get away with more cheap shots than the Steelers…

  43. bonniebengal says: Dec 16, 2013 6:51 AM

    It should be a large fine, and he should be suspended. If the league doesn’t give him a harsh penalty, other teams might decide to take out their opponents punter. Punter is not a glamorous position, but you really realize how important they are when they are gone. It was game changing.

  44. braven4evr says: Dec 16, 2013 6:54 AM

    Granted the referees have been terrible; but they are human and humans make mistakes. Let computers over officiate the game and slow it down even more. IT’S FOOTBALL!!! IT USED TO BE PHYSICAL!!!

  45. eagleaniac says: Dec 16, 2013 7:03 AM

    Cheap shot, another example of sleeping refs.

  46. takingbacksundays5 says: Dec 16, 2013 7:14 AM

    Someone from the Steelers did something dirty and illegal, yet got away with it?

    Color me shocked!

  47. jmblosser82 says: Dec 16, 2013 7:43 AM

    So Pat McAfee can lay the lumber like he did a few weeks ago and it’s fine but they are defenseless players? Not saying the block wasn’t excessive but if a punter/kicker doesn’t want to get hit they should not be allowed to make a play.

  48. jmblosser82 says: Dec 16, 2013 7:45 AM

    Oh and I live in the Indy area and he appears weekly on a morning radio broadcast and he was bragging about the hit. He did say the refs made him get checked out medically

  49. coltsravensfan says: Dec 16, 2013 7:45 AM

    That hit was brutal on a defenseless player. I’m not sure how the zebras missed it.

  50. robt927 says: Dec 16, 2013 7:57 AM

    Put a dress on all kickers and punters. “Head on a swivel” is what all football players are told from day 1 of playing the game.

  51. bigbenownsthenfl says: Dec 16, 2013 7:59 AM

    the punter exemplifies the bungles fanbase….big sissy!!! hahahahaha

  52. vincentbojackson says: Dec 16, 2013 8:01 AM

    Watched the replay about a dozen times. Huber is trying to make the tackle when he is hit. Very unfortunate result, but a player closing on the ball carrier is hardly defenseless. Sorry, that’s called football.

    Garvin makes initial contact with Huber with his arms first and then his face mask in his chest. That’s textbook. Garvin then slides upward when Huber flies backward. The NFL will fine him to cover themselves due to the result, but that hit was football folks.

  53. ickyfreakingwoods says: Dec 16, 2013 8:06 AM

    Of course he should have been flagged. Typical stealer crap.

  54. shaggymarrs says: Dec 16, 2013 8:19 AM

    This hit was vicious! I genuinely felt bad for the guy.

  55. bigbabies says: Dec 16, 2013 8:19 AM

    That rule only applies when they are a punter or kicker…..in this case he was a would be tackler and not a punter.

  56. alewatcher says: Dec 16, 2013 8:23 AM

    NFL officiating is a joke, and gets worse every week. Obvious penalties get completely ignored, and clean plays get flagged. It’s getting to the point that I hate to even watch a game because I know I’m going to see way too many bad calls.

  57. stigman2012 says: Dec 16, 2013 8:25 AM

    Or if you prefer…thank you, Doc Obvious.

  58. whodeytn says: Dec 16, 2013 8:26 AM

    It’s the steelers – of course they weren’t flagged.

  59. knockknockwhosthereowen says: Dec 16, 2013 8:27 AM

    Ahhh just let them play. You gotta keep your head on a swivel. It’s football, people get hit.

    Here’s a suggestion, maybe we shouldn’t be discussing who should get fined and who should have gotten a flag after every hard hit in the NFL.

  60. scooter299 says: Dec 16, 2013 8:31 AM

    You mean to tell me that ED Hocculi and his crew missed more calls in a game, or got other calls wrong? NO, impossible, his crew is one of the worst in football, how could that be? Their crew got downgraded on 2 blown calls from the week before. Time to make them full ,time employees, train them better and be more consistent with the flags

  61. bonniebengal says: Dec 16, 2013 8:31 AM

    Not to mention the uncalled block in the back and a couple of other penalties on that punt return.

  62. xxsweepthelegxx says: Dec 16, 2013 8:52 AM

    I get the excitement of looking for a block, finding and lining up a guy. But it was clear the guy wasn’t even looking, had his head turned. Just extend your arms, use your shoulder, etc…the guy still would have been rocked.

    Senseless hit. Nothing more. A fine will be on it’s way, but will hardly justify the guy missing the post season most likely.

  63. Kaz says: Dec 16, 2013 9:00 AM

    Refs got their checks from the Rooneys. Late hit on sliding qb’s. Helmet to Helmet hits on Bengals players. Obvious block in back on return. Yet the Bengals get called misc taunting penalty.

  64. Kaz says: Dec 16, 2013 9:00 AM

    If that was Burfict flags would have been flying all over the place.

  65. jjconley says: Dec 16, 2013 9:12 AM

    You mean the Steelers laid a dirty hit on someone that took them out of the game? And the refs looked the other way, repeatedly? Say it ain’t so! That NEVER happens!

  66. yourteamstinks says: Dec 16, 2013 9:14 AM

    Who Dey? A team that hasn’t won a playoff game in 24 years, that’s who.

  67. peytonwantsaflag says: Dec 16, 2013 9:20 AM

    Not surprisingly not a word from collinsworth about it – while he’s wetting himself over how tough the stealers are they’re showing non called late hits, blatant holds, pass interference on tv. I don’t want homerism from collinsworth but how about a little objectivity for the team that gave you your career?

  68. seattlesue427 says: Dec 16, 2013 9:22 AM

    Kaz says: “Refs got their checks from the Rooneys.”

    Couldn’t agree more! Pittsburgh’s been buying games for years. I always cheer for my team and anyone who’s playing the STEALERS!

  69. johnodocks says: Dec 16, 2013 9:50 AM

    If you want to treat kickers and punters differently, you need to give them different color jerseys. All the opposing players sees is an opponent’s jersey. He shouldn’t have to figure out if it’s a kicker while he’s trying to make a block.

  70. scooter299 says: Dec 16, 2013 9:53 AM

    “The hit did involve a helmet to the head, more specifically, the chin. And this is the “fabled” Ed Hoculi referring the game. Just proves that some teams are favored by officials, and others are just ignored.”

    Yep, muscles Hicculi has his favorite teams, and refs games like he doesn’t care who knows. Go back and look at the games he refs. most are lopsided and far as penalties towards one team. Also, the favored team wins 98% of the time when he is reffing a game, FYI, always bet the favorite to cover when good ole Ed “Muscles” Hocculi is reffing an WWF, er I mean NFL game

  71. jjconley says: Dec 16, 2013 9:56 AM

    Loving the Stealer fans trying to justify this…someone said that Huber ran ito the guy? LOL

    Get a life. Garvin didn’t even attempt to block him, he just lunged at his head with his helmet. Those are the deliberate hits the NFLsays they want to stop, yet won’t call if it benefits the Bengals (see Miami, hit on Sanu 4th quarter)

  72. PCa Survivor says: Dec 16, 2013 9:58 AM

    I don’t know if this is true or not or if PFT is just trolling. Kickers and punters are often the last tackler on a return but they can’t be blocked? Seriously? How do you know. The game moves at a speed that no lawyer blogging from his basement can comprehend. Unless you put a soccer goalkeeper jersey on these guys you don’t know who they are. And please, no more whining when Ray Guy is passed over again for the Hall of Fame because the HOF is for football players.

  73. seahawkhuskyfan says: Dec 16, 2013 9:59 AM

    Where were all the Steeler fans last night? Stadium looked empty.

  74. whocares69 says: Dec 16, 2013 10:03 AM

    The referees are absolute garbage case in point, no flags for an OBVIOUS blatant personal foul.

    Just rename it the National Fixed League and be done with it.

  75. chalkruz1989 says: Dec 16, 2013 10:08 AM

    The punter/kicker cannot have it both ways. They either are defenseless or football players. Why is Kevin Huber allowed to make a tackle if he is “defenseless?”

    Terence Garvin did his job, he impeded a player from tackling his teammate. Sure he could have targeted the chest but he didn’t.

    Still hard to fathom how this NFL is so watered down anymore. Here’s to seeing more ACL/MCL/PCL injuries and no defense.

  76. jjconley says: Dec 16, 2013 10:08 AM

    PCa Survivor says:
    Dec 16, 2013 9:58 AM
    I don’t know if this is true or not or if PFT is just trolling.

    —–

    It’s true, and a legal block in th chest wouldt have been an issue. Spearing the guy in the jaw is an issue…not legal and dirty as all heck.

  77. cincy05 says: Dec 16, 2013 10:09 AM

    yourteamstinks says: Dec 16, 2013 9:14 AM

    Who Dey? A team that hasn’t won a playoff game in 24 years, that’s who.

    ____________

    Might not have won a playoff game in 24 years but the Bengals still manage to put bodies in the stands Pittsburg can’t say that much the stands were empty last night. Cincy has been to the playoffs in 2012 & 2013 where have the Steelers been? Sitting on the couch that’s right. At least the Bengals can make it there.

  78. 6thsense10 says: Dec 16, 2013 10:11 AM

    The punter was no longer a punter. He had an angle on the return man and in that instance was a defensive player. To claim a punter is protected at all times and cannot be hit above the neck or head area even when he is attempting to make a tackle is strange. He is only protected while in the role of a punter. If he becomes a defensive player attempting a tackle or if there’s a fake punt and he becomes a runner he is no longer afforded that protection. It’s a little shocking that Florio doesn’t know this.

    The NFL will not fine Garvin. It was a clean hit according to their rules. It’s not like the punter was hit 40 yds away from the play. He was about 10 yards or so from the ball carrier with his head and focus on the ball carrier and moving towards the ball carrier. I mean come on. People get blown up every Sunday on kick off and punt returns similar to this. Not sure what the big issue is.

  79. peytonwantsaflag says: Dec 16, 2013 10:17 AM

    “kickers and punters are often the last tackler on a return but they can’t be blocked?”

    ——————————————–

    who said they couldn’t be blocked? they can’t be blindsided helmet to face, there are some other ways to block you know.

    I’m really glad you stealer fans are taking such joy in this hit, I’m sure your team will put it on their highlight reel and watch it during their end of year banquet in a couple weeks. (the same one they give Roethlessberger the man of the year award – lol – what a pos classless org)

  80. gofish721 says: Dec 16, 2013 10:21 AM

    I doesn’t matter that it’s a punter or not, it’s now an illegal hit plain and simple. Anyone who looks at the still shots of it can easily see the crown of his helmet as he launched himself helmet first was directly into his face mask at an upward angle.

    I’d like all those supporters of that hit to tell me that if it was their son out there getting illegally jacked like that to tell me they’d be so supportive of it. Doubt it. You’d be screaming bloody murder too…

    I agree that he wasn’t a defenseless player as he was scoping the returner out to possibly make a play on him, but the hit was out of bounds by the rules… punter of not. I wonder if Tomlin waas smirking then too?

    I seemed to help the Pats out. Last week the hit in the end zone v Browns, shoulder pad to shoulder pad, at the end of the gamer that drew the whistle was a joke the other way around. Hit him to dislodge the ball on a clean, solid, but not vicious hit. NFL refs are out of control. A replay to review severity of calls should be considered. It’s hard as a ref to assess correctly these calls live, but appeal to the booth for confirmation at least…

  81. footballfanatic666 says: Dec 16, 2013 10:24 AM

    lol.. national flagfootball league is what you want???… defenseless punter??? lol he was hit dead center of his chest and as he went backwards got hit in the chin… those are facts!!! we should boycott buying nfl products for a while if he gets fined… we can play judge, jury and executioner also… even James Harrison got a concussion who is going to get fined for his concussion??? lol

  82. gallopinggilmore says: Dec 16, 2013 10:30 AM

    This wasn’t about the Steelers or Bengals, this was just another gift for the Pats. They get to keep their 2nd seed that referees have been protecting for weeks now.

  83. fwippel says: Dec 16, 2013 10:34 AM

    “Garvin should have been flagged”? Really? What tipped the league off, Huber’s broken jaw?

    That hit was flagrant and unnecessary, and I was shocked the refs missed it.

  84. wisconsinhillfolk says: Dec 16, 2013 10:36 AM

    The defender should be compelled to purchase a couple cases of pudding for the punter and we should all move on with our lives.

  85. clemenza58 says: Dec 16, 2013 10:37 AM

    If this was a Bengals player that hit a Steelers punter, no one would be whining about it like this.

  86. baltimorons says: Dec 16, 2013 10:38 AM

    On that play alone at least 3 bengals got completely blown up by the steelers. The bengals are just not ready for the big time.

  87. bigbenownsthenfl says: Dec 16, 2013 10:45 AM

    bungles are an awful organization with a 500 winning percentage lifetime coach. a very poor owner, an absolute awful fanbase, many terrible QB’s through the years, 0 super bowls, haven’t won a playoff game in over 20 years. I can go on and on…just typing this is making me realize what a pathetic organization this is from top to bottom. you would think after decades of failures resulting in high draft picks they would fluke and win something. nope. just a bunch of no nothing fans popping off about how great their team is…hahahahaha #pathetic

  88. bigbenownsthenfl says: Dec 16, 2013 10:46 AM

    bungles are an awful organization with a 500 winning percentage lifetime coach. a very poor owner, an absolute awful fanbase, many terrible QB’s through the years, 0 super bowls, haven’t won a playoff game in over 20 years. I can go on and on…just typing this is making me realize what a pathetic organization this is from top to bottom. you would think after decades of failures resulting in high draft picks they would fluke and win something. nope. just a bunch of no nothing fans popping off about how great their team is…hahahahaha #pathetic.

  89. bigbenownsthenfl says: Dec 16, 2013 10:46 AM

    bungles are an awful organization with a 500 winning percentage lifetime coach. a very poor owner, an absolute awful fanbase, many terrible QB’s through the years, 0 super bowls, haven’t won a playoff game in over 20 years. I can go on and on…just typing this is making me realize what a pathetic organization this is from top to bottom. you would think after decades of failures resulting in high draft picks they would fluke and win something. nope. just a bunch of no nothing fans popping off about how great their team is…hahahahaha #pathetic..

  90. hemmer19 says: Dec 16, 2013 10:51 AM

    It is total BS if a fine is given on that hit. All the PIT player saw was a guy that was in position to tackle the returner. The punters & kickers don’t wear different colored jerseys. if they don’t want to get hit, have them run off the field as soon as they kick the ball.

  91. scooter299 says: Dec 16, 2013 10:59 AM

    “The NFL will not fine Garvin. It was a clean hit according to their rules. It’s not like the punter was hit 40 yds away from the play. He was about 10 yards or so from the ball carrier with his head and focus on the ball carrier and moving towards the ball carrier. I mean come on. People get blown up every Sunday on kick off and punt returns similar to this. Not sure what the big issue is.”

    Helmet to helmet, with the crown of the head no less, and a broken jaw, on a Nationally Televised game, yep he will get a nice hefty note from the league by Friday

    “If this was a Bengals player that hit a Steelers punter, no one would be whining about it like this.”

    You are correct, because Muscles Hocculi would have made sure to throw the flag and penalized the Bengals for it. Watching the NFL this year has been a nightmare because their official decide most of the games with their horrible calls. Hocculi is one of the worst, he had 2 questionable calls the week before that have been debated

  92. jblmn says: Dec 16, 2013 11:15 AM

    Everyone focusing on whether he is a punter or not has a huge blind spot in their argument. It is illegal to use your helmet as a weapon and it is illegal to launch it into the face or helmet of the opposing player especially on a blind side block. If he blocks the guy in the chest with his shoulder pad or hands no problem. Anyone saying he didn’t go directly helmet to helmet is just not looking at the visual evidence. A good clean solid hit on the punter is ok. Taking that kind of shot is just not acceptable to a player of any position. This the most egregious hit I have seen and If the league doesn’t enforce a penalty they have no credibility for their player safety initiatives.

  93. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 11:20 AM

    meatcarroll says:
    Dec 16, 2013 12:37 AM
    Oh please. Let’s stop babying these guys. They’re football players just like the rest of their teammates.

    You want to volunteer to take that cheap shot, big man?

  94. aljack88 says: Dec 16, 2013 11:20 AM

    seahawkhuskyfan says:
    Dec 16, 2013 9:59 AM
    Where were all the Steeler fans last night? Stadium looked empty.
    ——————————————————
    The media only makes note of it when the Pats’ fans start leaving early. Those empty seats must have belonged to them.

  95. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 11:31 AM

    stealers are an classless organization with a history of underhanded tactics. pioneering the steroid era. creating the Hines Ward rule. grabbing guys by the balls and twisting kness. and an absolute craptastic fanbase that celebrates it all. I can go on and on…just reading these comments is making me realize what a pathetic organization this is from top to bottom. #pathetic.

  96. crush22 says: Dec 16, 2013 11:31 AM

    cincy05 says: Dec 16, 2013 10:09 AM

    yourteamstinks says: Dec 16, 2013 9:14 AM

    Who Dey? A team that hasn’t won a playoff game in 24 years, that’s who.

    ____________

    Might not have won a playoff game in 24 years but the Bengals still manage to put bodies in the stands Pittsburg can’t say that much the stands were empty last night. Cincy has been to the playoffs in 2012 & 2013 where have the Steelers been? Sitting on the couch that’s right. At least the Bengals can make it there.
    __________________________________

    NaNa NaNa Boo Boo

  97. bigbenownsthenfl says: Dec 16, 2013 11:33 AM

    wasn’t a cheap shot. just a more physical team bashing a very soft team. that’s all. if you are going to try and make a tackle then you better protect yourself cuz your gonna get jacked up! he didn’t pay attention and he paid the price. head on a swivel when you play a more physical team. bengals like their crybaby fans have been soft for decades… #1anddoneinplayoffsagain

  98. bigbenownsthenfl says: Dec 16, 2013 11:34 AM

    wasn’t a cheap shot. just a more physical team bashing a very soft team. that’s all. if you are going to try and make a tackle then you better protect yourself cuz your gonna get jacked up! he didn’t pay attention and he paid the price. head on a swivel when you play a more physical team. bengals like their crybaby fans have been soft for decades… #1anddoneinplayoffsagain.

  99. bigbenownsthenfl says: Dec 16, 2013 11:35 AM

    wasn’t a cheap shot. just a more physical team bashing a very soft team. that’s all. if you are going to try and make a tackle then you better protect yourself cuz your gonna get jacked up! he didn’t pay attention and he paid the price. head on a swivel when you play a more physical team. bengals like their crybaby fans have been soft for decades… #1anddoneinplayoffsagain..

  100. billytodd2013blbaad says: Dec 16, 2013 11:37 AM

    actually it looked like he was trying to make a tackle therefore he wasn’t a defenseless player, if anything it looked like he led with the helmet and the last time I checked football was still a full contact sport and that includes kickers and punters! Besides not like that cost the Bungles the game, that was caused by Andy Dalton’s play and Jay Grudens amazing play calling LOL.. somethings never change.. the Browns suck and the Bungles will always be the Bungles.

  101. 6thsense10 says: Dec 16, 2013 11:38 AM

    The Pittsburgh player DID HIT THE PUNTER IN THE CHEST. And he also went lower in a crouching position before exploding into the punters chest. The punter himself was also in a crouching position and once the Pittsburgh player exploded upwards he caught the punter in the chest first and then the crown of his helmet. Secondly there are helmet to helmet protection for a select group of players….QBs and only while playing the role of a passer….if they become a runner helmet to helmet is fair game….receivers only while in the act of catching….once caught and they become a runner they’re fair game….kickers, punters only while kicking…

    There is no helmet to helmet protection for defensive players attempting to make a tackle. I’ve never seen it called and it happens every Sunday. If you have examples of a penalty being assessed on a blocker for hitting a defender helmet to helmet please share. I can’t believe this many people are up in arms about this.

  102. koenig61 says: Dec 16, 2013 11:39 AM

    I dont see how the Punter is defenseless when he is trying to make a tackle. The same rule appies for QB’s when they throw an interception, you cant seek the QB out and hit him, however if the QB attempts to make a tackle he can be hit. As far as the helmet to helmet, i saw Garvin lead with his shoulder, and guess what, his head is on top of his shoulder so no matter what his head will be out in front, his helmet then hit Huber in the chest, and then rode up his chest and hit huper in the chin. Go review it and see that garvin first hits huber in the chest and then the hit rides up. Garvin didnt run after huber just to hit him, Garvin was stnading there, and huber was 1 yard away from making the tackle, and Garvin hit him hard. Viciously hard yes, but its football, and either you make punters and kicker leave the field immediately after they kick, or you allow them to be hit. You cant call someone who is attempting to make a tackle defenseless. That makes no sense, and basically says theres one player on the field who cant be blocked or hit no matter what. If the kicker and punters are always defenseless, then they should be eeliminated from tackling. No doubt Rodger Goodell, will fine Garvin, but in no way did Garvin seek Huber out and launch himself into Huber. What compounds the hit is Hubers jaw was broken, but to me thats probably got more to do with Huber not wearing a Mouthpiece. How about the league starts enforing the mouthpiece rule for all players? You cant start giving out fines and punishment based on a players injury from the hit, like fans want with the Gronkowski ingury. Just because it looks vicious or results in an injury doesnt make it illegal.

  103. Deb says: Dec 16, 2013 11:42 AM

    And Smith should have been flagged for the hit on Bell in the Ravens game no matter how the league wanted to sugarcoat it after the fact. But really, neither Bell nor Huber should have been hit above the shoulders since Goodell has fixed all that … right?

  104. footballfanatic666 says: Dec 16, 2013 11:43 AM

    it was a great block… in the tradition of Steeler smash mouth football!!! the season may be gone thanks to injuries and referees but it is GREAT TO SEE THE SPIRIT IS NOT!!!

    GO STEELERS!!!

  105. jblmn says: Dec 16, 2013 11:46 AM

    Head on a swivel blah blah blah. What a tough guy you must be. Why not just let guys hit guys in the back also. Oh sorry, the refs did hat too when Antonio Brown hit a guy in the back trying to knock him into the punt. Happened right in front of the ref and no call.

    Has nothing to do with being soft. Was the cheapest of cheap shots ever and your too blind to see it.

  106. Steeler's Didn't-but-Will-eventually says: Dec 16, 2013 11:51 AM

    Seems to me the Bungle fans’ butts hurt more than the punter’s jaw. So sorry (not really) PIT didn’t roll over and play dead and let you win the game. Cry more.

    It’s also hard to take criticism about attendance from a fanbase that only recently has been able to avoid TV blackouts.

  107. jblmn says: Dec 16, 2013 11:53 AM

    When a ball carrier is diving for a touchdown and the defender dives also and their helmets hit, it is a totally different situation then when you size a guy up and blind side him high. The helmet hit directly in the guys jaw. That’s why it is fractured. Not even a close call.

  108. scooter299 says: Dec 16, 2013 11:55 AM

    Let’s take a closer look at Ed “Muscles” Hochuli shall we?

    Week 1 TB@NYJ- Late personal foul called on TB to put the Jets in position to kick winning FG with 2 seconds left NYJ won 18-17

    Week 2-Min@Chi- 2 questionable replays upheld and a questionable non call in the last drive, game winning, for the Bears Chi won 31-30

    Week 3-Det@Wash- 2 unnecessary personal; foul calls that were borderline Det won 27-20

    Week 6- Cin@Buf- Bengals called for twice as many penalties and 51 yards more than the Bills, but still won in spite of the calls Cin won 27-24 OT

    Week 7 Hou@KC- KC won 17-16

    Week 10 Wash@Min- The Vikings were called for 1 penalty the entire game for 5 yards and won 34-27

    Week 11-ATL@TB- TB won this game easily, but were called for 11 penalties along the way, even though they were up and beating the Falcons soundly, up by 18 at one point before penalties started flying

    Week 14 Det@Philly- 2 very questionable calls against Det, one for roughing the passer on 3rd and long that kept drive alive, the league DID NOT fine the player for a late hit. On same drive a defensive holding call against Suh that every NFL analyst said they do not have any clue what was called that SUH was being held

    Week 15- Cin@Pit- Two bad calls missed against the Bengals, the hit on the defender and also early in the game Dalton slid and was popped by a defender, with no call, Bengals called for twice as many yards as the Steelers in penalties

  109. djc1coldh2o says: Dec 16, 2013 11:58 AM

    ” was a great block… in the tradition of Steeler smash mouth football!!!”

    What a crock of crap!

    Steelers are the dirtiest team in the league and until the refs and league does something about it, “the tradition” will continue.

  110. scooter299 says: Dec 16, 2013 12:11 PM

    The Pittsburgh player DID HIT THE PUNTER IN THE CHEST. And he also went lower in a crouching position before exploding into the punters chest. The punter himself was also in a crouching position and once the Pittsburgh player exploded upwards he caught the punter in the chest first and then the crown of his helmet. Secondly there are helmet to helmet protection for a select group of players….QBs and only while playing the role of a passer….if they become a runner helmet to helmet is fair game….receivers only while in the act of catching….once caught and they become a runner they’re fair game….kickers, punters only while kicking…

    Think you need to re-watch the hit again, his crown of the helmet squarely catches punter square in the jaw, have seen players called for hitting defenseless player, even when they had the ball, on less violent hits than this. BTW I am not a Steeler or Bengal fan, just a fan on the games being called fairly and in today’s NFL that does not happen, it is more like the WWF, where the outcome is predetermined by the refs

  111. mightyjoe214 says: Dec 16, 2013 12:14 PM

    This is a primary example of the pussification of the league. The punter was attempting to make a tackle and got blasted. There was nothing illegal or wrong with the play. Every time there’s a play when someone gets hit hard, the Puss public is demanding a suspension or fine.

    REAL MEN ARE AN ENDANGERED SPECIES NOW!!!!

  112. scottwsx96 says: Dec 16, 2013 12:15 PM

    Anyone that is focusing on the “protection of the punter” aspect hasn’t seen the hit in question and anyone that says that the hit was to the chest is deluding themselves.

    There is an animated GIF that clearly shows Garvin leading with the crown of his helmet and hitting Huber on the left side of his helmet.

    And whoever said that the punter just ran into Garvin… lay off the funny stuff m’kay.

    I’ve tried linking to the GIF in question, but I guess links are a no-no because my comment keeps getting removed so I’ll describe how you can see it here:

    Go to the Bengals official message boards (you can find it in the “Fan Zone” section of the official team site). In the “Cincinnati Bengals Football Discussion” section, go to “Game Day”. Then open the “Huber gif” post. The animated GIF is in the opening post.

    Seriously, look at that hit and explain how that isn’t leading with the helmet or how that’s just Huber and Garvin accidentally colliding.

  113. jmblosser82 says: Dec 16, 2013 12:16 PM

    Everyone complaining the refs handed the steelers this game go back and look at the present the bengals got against the steelers on MNF a few weeks ago.

  114. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 12:17 PM

    crush22 says:
    Dec 16, 2013 11:31 AM
    NaNa NaNa Boo Boo

    Sadly, this is the most intelligent response I have seen from a Steelers fan today. It only goes downhill from here. #MyIQisTooHighToBeASteelersFan

  115. 6thsense10 says: Dec 16, 2013 12:21 PM

    I just got through reading the NFL rule book and it seems kickers/punters are defined as defenseless at all times even if they are trying to make a tackle. Florio was correct and I was wrong on that point. Seems the NFL added this rule around 2010 or 2011. If that’s the case the league should really mandate they wear some kind of red jersey so the rest of the players know without thinking they are restrictions on how I can treat this player.

  116. tictoccpthook says: Dec 16, 2013 12:43 PM

    From fan responses above, denial of failure to play up to the Steelers level of play, it is obvious that the Bengals are going nowhere (familiar territory). To be a winner and not a whiner you have to recognize it when you’ve been fairly and clearly beaten, otherwise you’ll never improve.

  117. jblmn says: Dec 16, 2013 12:59 PM

    Has nothing to do with whether they won or not. The bengals clearly played horribly in the first quarter. The argument is about a hit that is so obviously against the rules and has severely injured a man. This isn’t even a close call punter or not. I doubt you can break someone’s jaw unless 1) they don’t see it coming and 2) you hit them with momentum directly to mouth which is part of the year the last time I checked. Unless your a steelers fan and talk out the other end.

    Many tackling and blocking techniques have been banned from the game and this is obviously one if them for good reason.

  118. 6thsense10 says: Dec 16, 2013 1:00 PM

    Fyi

    Definition of a Defenseless Player
    Posted by Staff
    The following is taken from the 2011 NFL Rule Book (pages 73-74) and defines players who are in a defenseless posture. The material is also covered in the 2011 League Policies for Players Manual, distributed to all players in training camp.

    It is a foul if a player initiates unnecessary contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture.

    (a) Players in a defenseless posture are:

    (1) A player in the act of or just after throwing a pass;

    (2) A receiver attempting to catch a pass; or who has completed a catch and has not had time to protect himself or has not clearly become a runner. If the receiver/runner is capable of avoiding or warding off the impending contact of an opponent, he is no longer a defenseless player;

    (3) A runner already in the grasp of a tackler and whose forward progress has been stopped;

    (4) A kickoff or punt returner attempting to field a kick in the air;

    (5) A player on the ground at the end of a play;

    (6) A kicker/punter during the kick or during the return;

    (7) A quarterback at any time after a change of possession, and

    (8) A player who receives a “blindside” block when the blocker is moving toward his own endline and approaches the opponent from behind or from the side.

    (b) Prohibited contact against a player who is in a defenseless posture is:

    (1) Forcibly hitting the defenseless player’s head or neck area with the helmet, facemask, forearm, or shoulder, regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the defenseless player by encircling or grasping him; and

    (2) Lowering the head and making forcible contact with the top/crown or forehead/”hairline” parts of the helmet against any part of the defenseless player’s body.

    Note: The provisions of (2) do not prohibit incidental contact by the mask or helmet in the course of a conventional tackle on an opponent.

    Penalty: For unnecessary roughness: Loss of 15 yards. The player may be disqualified if the action is judged by the official(s) to be flagrant.

  119. yourteamstinks says: Dec 16, 2013 1:09 PM

    Cincy05.
    Your right the Steelers didn’t make the playoffs the last two years. Whoopty do. They have played in 1/3 of all AFCCG games since the merger. Do you think the fan base is worried about 2 seasons? The Bengals fans always put the cart before the horse. How about win something before you run your mouth…lol. Even a playoff game would suffice.

  120. scottwsx96 says: Dec 16, 2013 1:15 PM

    tictoccpthook says: Dec 16, 2013 12:43 PM

    From fan responses above, denial of failure to play up to the Steelers level of play, it is obvious that the Bengals are going nowhere (familiar territory). To be a winner and not a whiner you have to recognize it when you’ve been fairly and clearly beaten, otherwise you’ll never improve.

    —————–

    This is an article about an illegal hit on a punter. I’m not sure how you sum up the comments responding to such an article as a failure to recognize being beaten. Of course the Bengals fans and I’m sure the players themselves know they got beat down hard.

    That doesn’t change the fact that the Garvin hit on the punter was an illegal (dirty?) head-to-head hit.

  121. ballbuster00 says: Dec 16, 2013 1:24 PM

    Typical of the spineless rusted out Steeler fans. Back in the day, they whined when Atkinson or Tatum used to tattoo their receivers heads and claimed how dirty it was. Now they act like all’s fair in love, war, and football. We didn’t consider tattooing Swann and friends wrong but part of the game, all the while Pukesburgh fans were crying like babies. Of course Harris never really got clocked because he was busy running out of bounds. True black and gold and rust player…

  122. jblmn says: Dec 16, 2013 1:30 PM

    Forget about the win or loss or who is a tougher team better fan base blah blah blah blah blah. That was the most ridiculous and uncalled for hit. If everyone is going to act like a tough guy then let’s make the NFL more like MMA and then let them slug it out. But don’t look the other way on that then flag a 200lb safety for taunting after getting push late by a 300+ pound lineman. Anyone remember Steelers Seahawks SB.

  123. scchamil says: Dec 16, 2013 1:47 PM

    To all the people who keep saying “its ridiculous that you can’t block a punter when he’s trying to make a tackle” – you know that’s not what the rule says right? Can we please stop with that line of nonsense? Of course you can block him normally, but as a defenseless player you just can’t spear him in the face with the crown of your helmet. Defenseless player is just a name they give to receivers who are going up for a ball, QBs and kickers. Given the nobody has a back up punter on game day – I think that’s pretty fair.

  124. Deb says: Dec 16, 2013 1:50 PM

    mightyjoe214 says:

    REAL MEN ARE AN ENDANGERED SPECIES NOW!!!!

    ———————————————-
    Oh dear. I certainly hope not.

  125. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 2:07 PM

    Thanks 6thsense10. Makes it pretty clear that the hit was illegal and should have been called, and that Hochuli’s crew is complete horses***. #SeeWhatYouHit

  126. scchamil says: Dec 16, 2013 2:18 PM

    Steelers were the better team last night and more prepared for the elements, etc – so Bengals deserved to lose that game (point blank period). I’m sure no one in the Bengals locker room believes they played well enough to win under the circumstances and Steelers offense played great.

    That said, as a fan it would’ve been nice to see the game play out with some consistentcy with the penalties / calls. I think the safety/vs 1 inch line ruling on the fumbled snap was questionable at best (pretty sure ball touched goaline and no fwd progress) – but whatever – game of inches, total judgment call, bad play by Bengals. But then Dalton gets hit hard and late after a slide – no whistle, no first down; A play that has been consistently (if not ridiculously) called in every other game I’ve seen. Earlier this season Burfict tried to contort his body in midair to avoid a sliding QB and his toe grazed the side of QBs knee – they literally couldn’t throw their flags fast enough. Huber hit right next to the play punt return + block in the back on Hawkins on same play – no whistle, no punter in a game where we really needed one. Refs can’t see everything, but it’s hard to believe that the refs didn’t see Huber’s head snap back. Antonio Brown – extra curricular shoves all game including after the whistle on a downed punt to started a fight that the refs broke up – no whistle. Then a ridiculous “taunting” foul on Nelson for jawing with O lineman that extended drive for FG. Every team wants to play tough and mean, but no other team gets more leash to do that kind of stuff than the Steelers. It’s been a common theme in Steelers games for the last 8 or 9 years. Something about the Steelers name makes everyone (including the refs) think 1970s football rules… the problem is both teams don’t get to play by them.

  127. cup1981 says: Dec 16, 2013 5:07 PM

    C’mon, the hit was shoulder to chest and the punter’s chin head snapped forward, hitting Garvin’s helmet. There will be no fine at all, guaranteed.

    For you Ben-Gal’s fans crying foul… Do you really think these guys are looking at the numbers of each player as they line them up for a block that springs the runner? If you do, than you have never played football in your life. You don’t see numbers, you only see colors, and the opposite color as your uniform = hit as hard as you can.

    That was not a blindside hit. It was the punter’s fault for focusing on the runner instead of the freight train that was coming his way. Gravin hit the man straight on, so how can you possibly call that a blindside hit?

  128. dnmaster0765 says: Dec 16, 2013 5:28 PM

    I cannot believe these comments. Huber was completely blindsided. That was a nasty, violent vicious hit. Huber is looking upfield for a ball carrier when he is struck under his face mask with the crown of Garvin’s helmet. Unbelievable. Is this what you think football is supposed to be? Fractured jaws and vertebrae? Garvin should have been immediately tossed from the game, suspended and fined. That kind of play is uncalled for anywhere in any league. He’s fortunate he wasn’t paralyzed. Cup1981 you’re either high, did not watch the game or have obviously never played a contact sport in your life. I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, you were stoned when you watched the game.

  129. realitycheckbaby says: Dec 16, 2013 6:56 PM

    vincentbojackson says: Dec 16, 2013 8:01 AM

    Watched the replay about a dozen times. Huber is trying to make the tackle when he is hit. Very unfortunate result, but a player closing on the ball carrier is hardly defenseless. Sorry, that’s called football.

    Garvin makes initial contact with Huber with his arms first and then his face mask in his chest. That’s textbook. Garvin then slides upward when Huber flies backward. The NFL will fine him to cover themselves due to the result, but that hit was football folks.
    ==============================

    If you watched it a dozen times and that’s what you came up with, you should be one of the blind officials.

    Tell us how wrong it is when the league apologizes and ring$ that guy up.

  130. thegenoatkinsdiet says: Dec 16, 2013 7:50 PM

    cup1981 says:
    Dec 16, 2013 5:07 PM
    C’mon, the hit was shoulder to chest and the punter’s chin head snapped forward, hitting Garvin’s helmet.

    You are really going to blame Huber here. Way to play the “blame the victim” card. Nice to see you have the same amount of class as the Steelers do: none.

  131. tsmercurio says: Dec 16, 2013 8:57 PM

    Maybe I’m just paranoid but,

    1. Defenseless player. 15 yards
    2. Peel-back block (yes different from number 1) 15 yards
    3. Targeting, by leading with helmet outside the tackle box. 15 yards
    4. Launching. 10 yards
    5. Contact to head or neck area. 15 yards

    I could suck at math, but I count a total of 70 missed penalty yards..

  132. bryan43016 says: Dec 16, 2013 11:32 PM

    People give the punter was defenseless argument a rest he was hit head on facing Gavin that is not defenseless. It wasn’t helmet to helmet Gavin hit him square in the chest leading with his right shoulder.

  133. twdomes says: Dec 17, 2013 10:02 AM

    He wasn’t defenseless. The rules state, “a kicker/punter, who is standing still or fading backwards after the ball has been kicked, is out of the play and must not be unnecessarily contacted by the receiving team through the end of the play or until he assumes a distinctly defensive position.”

    So that being said it still was a cheap shot. I know it’s the “NFL” and it’s for “tough” guys, but its a punter. A 200 pound, very little padding, punter. He could have easily pushed him out of the way instead of breaking the guys jaw. Who ever defends a hit that sends someone to IR is ignorant. His jaw needed to be wired shut. COME’ ON MAN!

  134. ydousuk says: Dec 17, 2013 9:48 PM

    bryan43016 says:Dec 16, 2013 11:32 PM

    People give the punter was defenseless argument a rest he was hit head on facing Gavin that is not defenseless. It wasn’t helmet to helmet Gavin hit him square in the chest leading with his right shoulder.
    ———————————————————-

    And yet, the punter’s jaw was broken…… If the blocker didn’t hit him in the head, HOW DID HIS JAW GET BROKEN?

    Jeez

  135. ydousuk says: Dec 17, 2013 10:04 PM

    yourteamstinks says:Dec 16, 2013 1:09 PM

    Cincy05.
    Your right the Steelers didn’t make the playoffs the last two years. Whoopty do. They have played in 1/3 of all AFCCG games since the merger. Do you think the fan base is worried about 2 seasons?
    ———————————————————-

    Well, lets see, the stadium was short about 20,000 “fans” for a nationally televised game with playoff implications, against a hated divisional rival. I am not a fan of either team, but from what I saw, I would say that the “fan base” isn’t worried because a lot of them have given up on the team.

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