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John Fox: “Ludicrous” to question Peyton Manning’s legacy

Denver Broncos quarterback Peyton Manning talks with head coach John Fox during their practice session for the Super Bowl at the New York Jets Training Center in Florham Park Reuters

Broncos coach John Fox got a jump start on defending his quarterback’s legacy Sunday night, but he couldn’t say what he wanted to.

Asked what he’d say to someone who questioned Peyton Manning’s greatness after a two-pick night in his 12th playoff loss (against 11 wins), Fox began to nearly splutter.

“I’d say, . . . I can’t really say it out loud, right here,” Fox replied. “I’d get in trouble.

“Ludicrous would be proper English.”

(Of course, the quote sheet given to the media in the press box, likely typed up by an intern or someone with a modern autocorrect dictionary, said “Ludacris,” which would have been way funnier.)

But it’s clear either way, Fox will have another more explicit version of that single when he steps away from the microphones.

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86 Responses to “John Fox: “Ludicrous” to question Peyton Manning’s legacy”
  1. yourmomcalled says: Feb 3, 2014 12:02 AM

    He was crying to Eli after the safety. No 1st down in the 1st quarter? 0 points at the half? Forehead, meet a Defense! And suck it lol.

  2. 4evrnyt says: Feb 3, 2014 12:02 AM

    You’re right, we shouldn’t question Manning’s legacy as a big game choker, he’s earned it.

  3. rcali says: Feb 3, 2014 12:09 AM

    Good luck on that contract extension Mr. Fox.

  4. meatcarroll says: Feb 3, 2014 12:10 AM

    Uh, Peyton’s legacy as the greatest playoff choker in the history of football isn’t in question. How are you gonna lead the “greatest offense EVER” yet score only ONE garbage time TD? It’d be one thing if they lost a shootout; he just completely flopped in the biggest game of his life.

  5. nfl4days says: Feb 3, 2014 12:13 AM

    This would be believable if I didn’t know that peyton would have been considered the best of all time and people would be slobbering all over him if they won. You can’t enhance Peyton’s legacy with a win, and think a 43-8 2 pick loss in the SB with all the weapons in the world has no effect on it. Doesn’t work like that.

  6. cowboysx88 says: Feb 3, 2014 12:14 AM

    Lol

  7. humptyfratz says: Feb 3, 2014 12:19 AM

    Peyton Manning: Greatest regular-season quarterback in league history.

    Postseason: not so much.

    Why is there even a debate? He’s great, but not when it counts.

  8. therealraider says: Feb 3, 2014 12:24 AM

    There is no questioning now, He isn’t the “best ever”.

  9. truthfactory says: Feb 3, 2014 12:24 AM

    This is how stupid the “Legacy” conversation has gotten…

    In a year where Eli Manning, Ben Rothlesburger, and Tom Brady had the worst years of their careers… Peyton Manning is getting “dinged” on his legacy while all those others are sitting comfortably at home and weren’t able to carry their flawed teams anywhere.

    This Broncos team was destroyed in all aspects of the game. Plug in your favorite QB with the best “legacy” in there at QB and the result would have been the same.

    Sorry, but if Brady couldn’t put up points against this weak Broncos Defense, what makes people assume that he would have done anything at all against this furocious Seattle D??

  10. ckg0913 says: Feb 3, 2014 12:25 AM

    Not ludicrous when Manning folds like a chair in a big game. Sure, the line sucked, but Manning clearly lost his composure…..again.

  11. themiamidolphins says: Feb 3, 2014 12:29 AM

    (Of course, the quote sheet given to the media in the press box, likely typed up by an intern or someone with a modern autocorrect dictionary, said “Ludacris,” which would have been way funnier.)
    —–
    Swing and a miss.

  12. coffeeblack95616 says: Feb 3, 2014 12:35 AM

    Fox’s legacy should be questioned. His team looked totally unprepared and completely outplayed today. Pathetic prep work.

  13. bobzilla1001 says: Feb 3, 2014 12:39 AM

    Seldom has Peyton Manning ever snuck up on other teams. He’s usually the frontrunner, the quarterback of either a No. 1 or No. 2-seeded team.
    Just once I’d like to see Manning enter the playoffs as an underdog. Less pressure, less expectations. There’s a reason No. 1-seeded teams and high-profile QBs seldom have won championships in recent history.

  14. soundsofsuccess7 says: Feb 3, 2014 12:41 AM

    Probably ludicrous to think Fox’s words mean anything. If he doesn’t get fired now, a I’ll be shocked. 3 Super Bowl losses and no wins.. How?????

  15. brimab says: Feb 3, 2014 12:52 AM

    Peyton is the best to play the game. No one would have beaten the Hawks today.

  16. tctctime says: Feb 3, 2014 12:54 AM

    Somehow, the Broncos beating has to be the result of SpyGate….maybe the Patriots should lose another first round pick?

  17. bigbaldpapahawk says: Feb 3, 2014 1:06 AM

    It honestly is. Manning IS one of the best ever. Nobody could have beat Seattle tonight. WOOOOOOOOO! Go Hawks!

  18. edithpiaf51 says: Feb 3, 2014 1:08 AM

    John Fox has class to defend his QB but we know Peyton’s playoff record is not the best. He is great in the regular season but not in the playoffs.

  19. xofootballer says: Feb 3, 2014 1:24 AM

    Ludicrous is a good word to describe Manning’s and the Broncos overall performance tonight.
    As far as his legacy – you are what your record says you are.

  20. chinahand11 says: Feb 3, 2014 1:38 AM

    Typical passive-aggressive speculative question from a reporter who doesn’t want to “put his name on it.”

    “What would you say to someone who questioned…” What kind of query is that?

  21. sabatimus says: Feb 3, 2014 2:24 AM

    Gee, that’s funny. I forgot to laugh.

  22. scw1993 says: Feb 3, 2014 2:39 AM

    He pads his personal stats. It’s always how he’s been. Does well in pre and reg season, but when it comes to the big game, he can’t ever close the deal, and THAT’S when he remembers he has teammates, that’s when it’s “we, we, we” and not before. Pathetic. Stats are for losers. That’s his legacy. #FAR from the greatest of all time.

  23. slammincamnewton says: Feb 3, 2014 2:44 AM

    Isn’t old Foxy the only coach to lose two super bowls with two different teams?

  24. logicalcomment says: Feb 3, 2014 3:09 AM

    No point talking about legacy until someone retires

    what if he wins the next 2 superbowls no one will remember this.

    elway lost 3 superbowls but all everyone talks about is how he rode off in the sunset

  25. peytonsneck18 says: Feb 3, 2014 3:41 AM

    Choketon manning

  26. JSpicoli says: Feb 3, 2014 3:43 AM

    Why not? That was all the talking heads could talk about before the game.

  27. joetoronto says: Feb 3, 2014 5:06 AM

    You have to be nuts to even consider him up there with Joe Montana.

    Completely nuts.

  28. insider7 says: Feb 3, 2014 5:09 AM

    You want to talk about his legacy? OK, let’s talk about his legacy.

    This was supposed to be a legacy game for Peyton “Lee Harvey” Manning. So what happened?

    I’ll tell you what happened. He did last night what he does on a regular basis in the biggest games. He gags.

    Consider the following: Manning has a losing record in the playoffs. His arch rival, Tom Brady, has a career lead in head-to-head games, 10-5!

    Brady has been in the league two fewer years than Manning but Brady has two more Super Bowl appearances and two more Super Bowl rings than does Manning.

    Manning is great running up the numbers during the regular season but he absolutely gags in the biggest games. THAT is his legacy!

  29. bag217 says: Feb 3, 2014 5:41 AM

    Numbers don’t lie. Greatest REGULAR season QB ever!

  30. omniscient48 says: Feb 3, 2014 6:14 AM

    At least Manning’s performance was a little better than Bruno Mars’.

  31. cooklynn17 says: Feb 3, 2014 6:43 AM

    Really John…

    Then let’s question his career losing playoff record.

    Head scratcher.

  32. z06vision says: Feb 3, 2014 6:55 AM

    Fox’s coaching decisions are nuts. Last year it was Peyton taking a knee with a lot of time left on the clock, this year it was the pooch kick off to Harvin. Great calls :(

  33. fanofevilempire says: Feb 3, 2014 7:10 AM

    Peytons legacy is he is HOf QB but not the best ever, not with this record.

    11-12 playoffs
    1-2 Super Bowl

  34. badassleroybrown says: Feb 3, 2014 7:13 AM

    His Legacy as a CHOKER?

    Yes I agree, its ludacris to question his choking ability

  35. bigdaddy44 says: Feb 3, 2014 7:37 AM

    John Fox, history will show that this game will be more reflective of your legacy, not Peyton Manning’s. If you don’t like what is being said about this game, you can just turn down the volume – again. The boy scout motto is “Be prepared”. John, you ain’t no boy scout. Sheer genius.

  36. eaglesw00t says: Feb 3, 2014 7:46 AM

    If his offensive line decided to play, he wouldn’t have gotten batted around and thrown those picks

  37. laxnhockey says: Feb 3, 2014 7:47 AM

    Peyt0n Manning is obviously a great QB, but his “legacy” is certainly debatable after losing a game like that. He will go down as one of the best to play, but let’s be honest; the Super Bowl is on the line and you have your choice of Joe Montana, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning. Most of America would pick Peyton third from that group.

  38. crazycane says: Feb 3, 2014 8:00 AM

    John Fox was and always will be an overrated HC

  39. marcuswelby1 says: Feb 3, 2014 8:01 AM

    “Ludicrous”? PM many, many regular season records…under .500 playoff record (11-12)…one SB win, two SB losses…that’s “Ludicrous”!

  40. clownsfan says: Feb 3, 2014 8:02 AM

    Not ludacris. Here’s Peyton’s career in a nutshell: regular season champ/post season chump.

  41. heisthejuan says: Feb 3, 2014 8:06 AM

    Peyton is great. Just not the greatest.

  42. grogansheroes says: Feb 3, 2014 8:10 AM

    How come when fans and media slaver all over Manning when he is setting meaningless records, it’s KO to talk about his legacy, but when he stinks it up again (for another record 12th time)it is wrong to question it? Can’t have it both ways!

  43. amoses74 says: Feb 3, 2014 8:12 AM

    I loved Ludicrous until he did that song with Justin Beiber……. now, not so much.

  44. melikefootball says: Feb 3, 2014 8:14 AM

    Fans had it stuffed down their throat all week Manning, what it would mean if he wins and his legacy. Legacy are born when one is older and out of the sport. His legacy will be a lot of awards and not to many SB trophies.

  45. raiderufan says: Feb 3, 2014 8:14 AM

    Ludicrous?

    Peyton’s worse loss in a SB is 35
    Elways lost superbowls by 32 and 45

    Montana’s worse loss in a SB is 0
    Brady’s worst loss in a superbowl is 4
    Warner’s worst is 4
    Eli’s worst loss is 0
    Roethlisbergers worst is 0
    Aikmans worst is 0

    I don’t care to look at all of them but if you look at recent QB’s that have one at least one win and been to more superbowls the 2 guys in denver aren’t exactly killing super bowls.

  46. richwizl says: Feb 3, 2014 8:24 AM

    Manning certainly is among the great QB’s; I’d rank him right up there with Jim Kelly.

  47. lingsun54 says: Feb 3, 2014 8:25 AM

    He has the same number of rings as Trent Dilfer. Hopefully we’re done hearing the crap about Manning being the best QB in the history of the known universe.

  48. sasquash20 says: Feb 3, 2014 8:31 AM

    Manning has come up small to often in big games to be considered one of the 3 or 4 best ever. Sorry people when tje pressure is on he plays scared. Top 10 prob, not top 5

  49. patriots123456 says: Feb 3, 2014 8:32 AM

    They should have awarded Peyton Joe Namath’s fur coat…because he played like he was wearing it….

  50. touchdownroddywhite says: Feb 3, 2014 8:32 AM

    Terry Bradshaw was a terrible regular season QB who had his 4 best games of his career in the SB. Manning is not Terry Bradshaw…

  51. zimaman says: Feb 3, 2014 8:33 AM

    Absolutely no question here John. His legacy is Peyton Longface and as usual in the big games he gags.

  52. jjackwagon says: Feb 3, 2014 8:38 AM

    Fox is right Peytons legacy is untarnished. He was known as a big game choker before the game and he is still known as a big game choker.

  53. 1historian says: Feb 3, 2014 8:50 AM

    This issue about Peyton Manning’s ‘legacy’ is purely an invention of the media, which is not surprising at all. Even Manning said so.

    The word ‘legacy’ adds a badly needed touch of gravitas to the annual media verbal barf-o-rama that accompanies the week before the Super Bowl – during that week the standards for bad reporting and overall bad writing are set for the rest of the industry to aspire to for the next 51 weeks – until the next one.

    Somebody thought of using the word ‘legacy’ in stories about Manning and they all grabbed it.

    ‘Legacy’ – gimme a break. The dude is 37 years old, ridiculously rich and famous for throwing lots of td passes and making terrible tv commercials.

  54. patriottony says: Feb 3, 2014 8:55 AM

    QUACK,,,QUACK,,,QUACK

    DID YOU SAY,,,OMAHA?????

  55. csbanter says: Feb 3, 2014 9:00 AM

    Peyton is the greatest between Sept 1 and Dec 31. From Jan-Feb he’s slightly below average. 11-12 it is what it is.

  56. sbchampsagain says: Feb 3, 2014 9:02 AM

    The playoffs aren’t difficult.
    If he wanted to win it all, Petyton shoulda just thrown 11 TDS and 0 INTs like Joe Flacco and Joe Montana did.

  57. ampats says: Feb 3, 2014 9:03 AM

    Today is Groundhog Day in Canada. The only problem is forslberger won’t come out to see his shadow since his Broncos and Peyton were totally embarrassed.

  58. ezwriter69 says: Feb 3, 2014 9:10 AM

    Peyton’s legacy has not changed one iota. He will still be remembered exactly as he has been since college: the greatest regular season quarterback ever, without question, who consistently comes up short in the postseason. That’s just fact. His only championship, ever, was against maybe the worst team ever to play in the Super Bowl, the Bears with Rex Grossman.

  59. 1rockyracoon says: Feb 3, 2014 9:17 AM

    Best ever quarterbacks (modern era):

    1) Montana

    2) Brady

    3) not Peyton Manning

  60. ravenswhat says: Feb 3, 2014 9:20 AM

    Why is it ludicrous John? I love Peyton but the “greatest of all time” can’t have a game like that.

  61. surfinbird1 says: Feb 3, 2014 9:31 AM

    Happy feet threw up down the front of his shirt again. When will people get it. Not all on him though. DelRio and Fox stink. Call that being ready to play? What does Elway have to say about that mess?

  62. jpb12 says: Feb 3, 2014 9:33 AM

    They guy led his team to the Super Bowl. That’s nothing to be embarrassed about.

    The problem is the Seahawks are a better team and it showed. The Broncos wouldn’t have made it this far without Manning.

  63. tvjules says: Feb 3, 2014 9:33 AM

    Why is it that simply stating his playoff record is considering questioning his legacy?

  64. laxnhockey says: Feb 3, 2014 9:35 AM

    Jeff Hostetler has won as many Super Bowls as Peyton Manning. Why aren’t we talking about Hostetler’s legacy, since he’s had as much post season success as P. Manning.

  65. eagleswin says: Feb 3, 2014 9:37 AM

    tvjules says:
    Feb 3, 2014 9:33 AM
    Why is it that simply stating his playoff record is considering questioning his legacy?

    ————————————

    You are labelled a hater if you say anything negative about Peyton, even if it’s just to bring up his documented shortcomings.

    To some he walks on water and should never be questioned.

  66. vcupats says: Feb 3, 2014 9:39 AM

    Peyton Manning was at the intersection of Elway Blvd and Favre Street before the Super Bowl. Guess which way he went?

  67. sb44champs says: Feb 3, 2014 9:41 AM

    Yeah, the Saints don’t look so bad in the debacle in Seattle. At least the Saints played them in the hardest, loudest stadium in the league. Brees is just as good as P. Manning. Brees beat 3 future HOF’s on his way to SB44 MVP: Warner, Favre and the ‘great’ P.M.

  68. weepingjebus says: Feb 3, 2014 9:52 AM

    I’m just glad that everyone got to see the Peyton Manning that Patriots fans have known for a decade. Honestly, for a while there I thought you guys were all sniffing glue or something. “The Greatest Ever” — lol

  69. peymax1693 says: Feb 3, 2014 9:56 AM

    As a Manning fan, I am still in a state of shock over what transpired last night. The most surreal aspect of that train wreck was that Manning actually wasn’t as awful as the final score would suggest. He set a SB record for most completions, and this wasn’t a case where he picked up most of those stats in garbage time. His first half stats were basically the same as his second half stats.

    In fact, if you had told me that at halftime Manning would have completed 70% of his passes for close to 150 yards, I would have been pleasantly surprised and would have thought the Broncos were either in the lead or within striking distance. But, the Seahawks proved to be the better team in all 3 facets of the game last night.

    This loss hurts because it might have been the last, best chance Manning had to prove to the doubters that he is the GOAT. As other people have said, rightly or wrongly, the GOAT can’t lose a SB like that.

  70. pastabelly says: Feb 3, 2014 9:57 AM

    Manning set the Super Bowl record last night for most completions in a game. That’s his legacy. He sets records. His closest comparison is Dan Marino, but Manning did win a Super Bowl and maybe more credit for that should have gone to guys like Dwight Freeney, who was an absolute beast. Unfortunately, when the Colts/Broncos win and put up pinball numbers, it’s all about Manning and his legacy. When they poop the bed, it’s always about something else.

  71. wisconsinhillfolk says: Feb 3, 2014 10:28 AM

    Manning is top 3 all time, but I’m beginning to dislike Coach Fox.

  72. rbirving says: Feb 3, 2014 10:30 AM

    Defense wins championships.

    Seattle had the best defense in the league, hands down. There isn’t QB in the league that could have led their team to a win agains the Seahawks, plain and simple.

    You want to bach Peyton because his team couldn’t beat the best? Fine, compare his against QBs that have played 23 playoff games.

    37 years old and he put up the best season a QB has ever had. They simply were not good enough to beat the Seahwaks in one game.

  73. rbirving says: Feb 3, 2014 10:32 AM

    I also believe the story that everyone seems to ignore is that the Denver defense could not stop the Seahawks from scoring. Held them to field goals, but simply couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down.

    Hats off to the Seahawks. The best team in the NFL, yesterday.

  74. therooneyskilledwebster says: Feb 3, 2014 10:44 AM

    In their record 5 Super Bowl defeats the Broncos have been out scored by a 206-58 margin for an average score of 41-12. Luckily for their fans, “maryjane” is legal in Colorado.

  75. wikidpissah says: Feb 3, 2014 11:08 AM

    peymax1693 says: Feb 3, 2014 9:56 AM

    As a Manning fan, I am still in a state of shock over what transpired last night. The most surreal aspect of that train wreck was that Manning actually wasn’t as awful as the final score would suggest. He set a SB record for most completions, and this wasn’t a case where he picked up most of those stats in garbage time. His first half stats were basically the same as his second half stats.
    ===============================
    The Broncos didn’t have a first down until 5 minutes into the 3rd Quarter. Two interceptions, one a pick 6, and a fumble.

    Don’t fool yourself.

  76. tigersfandan says: Feb 3, 2014 11:09 AM

    What do you expect him to say? “Peyton’s terrible in the playoffs and his legacy is in tatters!” Yeah, that would be great for team chemistry.

  77. wikidpissah says: Feb 3, 2014 11:30 AM

    rbirving says: Feb 3, 2014 10:32 AM

    I also believe the story that everyone seems to ignore is that the Denver defense could not stop the Seahawks from scoring. Held them to field goals, but simply couldn’t get off the field on 3rd down.

    ==================================

    The defense was the only part of the Broncos that showed up. Of the first 29 points, the defense allowed 13, despite being put in some very difficult spots. They held Seattle to 3 twice, and keept it a one possession game.

    They definitely let down in the second half, but they didn’t dig the hole the Broncos found themselves in.

  78. therooneyskilledwebster says: Feb 3, 2014 11:43 AM

    peymax1693…”he set a Super Bowl record for completions…” With that sentence you basically summed up Peyton’s career, padding irrelevant stats when they have little or no impact in the outcome of the game.

  79. slick50ks says: Feb 3, 2014 12:00 PM

    Manning and his stats are what a weak schedule will get you. And it was a pathetically weak schedule this year.

    MAYBE top 10 ever. Maybe…

    Playoffs? He’s not a top 20 QB.

  80. themiamidolphins says: Feb 3, 2014 12:12 PM

    Peyton is the best ever. He truly is. Deal with it.

    He obviously didn’t play well, but the entire team played poorly. Peyton Manning doesn’t play defense, he doesn’t play on the OL, and he doesn’t play special teams.

    But hey, it’s all Peyton Manning. That guy sucks. Don’t point out the awful line play, defense or special teams. Pointing those out don’t help your argument, so it’s understandable.

  81. greenmtnboy31 says: Feb 3, 2014 12:31 PM

    I like Peyton, but clearly his record breaking regular season is a result of padding his stats on a pretty weak schedule. This game puts those regular season stats into better perspective. Half the teams the Broncos played have a losing record. In a sixteen game schedule, the Broncos only beat four teams with a winning record. He was clearly running up the score against the Titans and Texans just to pad his stats, which came back to haunt him yesterday when he really needed to step it up. I’m sure even Peyton would concede that he would rather have won yesterday than to have the single season touchdown record against weak opponents.

  82. therooneyskilledwebster says: Feb 3, 2014 1:16 PM

    In his 3 Super Bowl appearances Manning has thrown 3 TDs and 4 INTs (2 of which were returned for TDs). By comparison, in Brady’s 5 Super Bowls he has 9 TDs and only 2 INTs (with no pick 6′s).

  83. doe22us says: Feb 3, 2014 3:24 PM

    Peyton is a great QB, any one that thinks otherwise is not being objective, conveniently peoples narrative changes when they say football is the ultimate team sport, but when Manning looses its all on him, that is a head scratcher. Did he play great, hell no, did the team stink up the joint damn straight that was an embarrassment.

  84. raiderapologist says: Feb 3, 2014 5:57 PM

    Manning should start wearing #16, since he only plays large in the regular season.

  85. propertyofthebroncos says: Feb 3, 2014 11:33 PM

    He’s right-you cannot question Manning may be the best to ever play qb, though I put my Elway up there too. But hats off to Seattle. It hurts but the best team won out there. Congrats guys. And to my Broncos…let’s get it done next year!

  86. ateeezzz says: Feb 4, 2014 10:51 AM

    I think people are overlooking a relevant factor in Manning’s stats. Most of his record setting “passing” yards are yards after catch. The Seahawks didn’t allow much of that. 34 completions don’t mean much if the ball doesn’t advance much. Kudos to the Hawks defensive side.

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