Skip to content

Johnny Manziel grateful to Russell Wilson for killing size bias

Johnny Manziel, Kelby Brown, Jamal Bruce AP

In addition to the dissection of his personal life, Texas A&M quarterback Johnny Manziel knows that NFL executives will be monitoring the numbers when he’s in Indianapolis this week for the Scouting Combine.

I’m going to measure 6 feet — I’m 72 inches on the dot,” Manziel said, via John McClain of the Houston Chronicle. “If they want to try to jump on my shoulders and squish me down, it’s not going to be any less than that.”

That kind of measurement would have been a major question mark not that long ago, but the success of Russell Wilson has helped kill some of the short-ism that kept the Seahawks quarterback from being drafted until the third round.

Manziel gets that, and understands he owes Wilson if he goes first overall.

“I think he’s kicked the door wide open,” Manziel said of the Seahawks quarterback. “You’re seeing more guys being successful avoiding that first wave of pressure — get out and do things outside the pocket.

“Wilson does some things he’s not asked to do, when things don’t go exactly as scripted. He’s able to extend the play. One reason they were so successful early in the Super Bowl was that he was 4-of-5 on third down and was able to continue to push the ball down the field and get them where they needed to be.”

Manziel’s working on his skills in the pocket as well (the reason he’s hanging with San Diego-based quarterback tutor George Whitfield), but the fact he can make things happen outside the pocket will only help. Having Wilson establish that makes it easier still.

Permalink 48 Comments Feed for comments Latest Stories in: Home, Rumor Mill, Seattle Seahawks
48 Responses to “Johnny Manziel grateful to Russell Wilson for killing size bias”
  1. noeffinway says: Feb 17, 2014 11:30 AM

    Every few years we read how this or that QB has killed the stigma of being too short and has opened the door for others. But yet every few years it seems it has to be proven all over again.

  2. thestrategyexpert says: Feb 17, 2014 11:43 AM

    Greg Cosell would disagree according to his latest breakdown that made PFT, it sounded like he thought that was a negative quality to move out of the pocket. And he already stated that if Luck was in this draft that Manziel wouldn’t even be close to being in the conversation. So there you have it, a short guy who is mobile is chopped liver compared to a more traditional and taller pocket passer like Luck.

    I guess Russell Wilson was debatably not even draftable because of his height and in despite of his mobility skills either huh Greg? I wonder what he’ll say about the next short and mobile QB if Manziel plays against Russell Wilson in the next Super Bowl. There’s still time for him to evolve into scouting the modern game of football.

  3. bert1913 says: Feb 17, 2014 11:47 AM

    this reminds me of the waterboy movie. i hope manziel isn’t the towel boy

  4. footballcrazyguy says: Feb 17, 2014 11:49 AM

    The ONLY thing that Wilson and Manziel have in common is their height (Manziel is 1.5 inches taller but both are short by NFL standards). Wilson is more intelligent, focused, driven, etc. Those are things that you can’t teach so let’s hold off on the comparisons until Manziel learns to keep out of strip clubs and bars and stop signing hundreds of autographs for his creepy friends and family. He is talking the talk but what idiot doesn’t ahead of the draft. Once the NFL puts a few million is his bank account, will he revert back to the entitled idiot he behaved like in college.

  5. jbcommonsense says: Feb 17, 2014 11:50 AM

    The word ”stigma” implies height is not a factor at all. Brees & Wilson show that some QBs are very good even though they don’t meet height standards, but that does not show that height isn’t a factor to consider.

  6. runmarshawnrun says: Feb 17, 2014 11:50 AM

    The thing Manziel is missing: it isn’t the height of Russell Wilson’s shoulders, it’s the head on top of it that makes him special.

    Manziel hasn’t proved he has that yet. In fact, every time he opens his mouth, he proves he doesn’t.

  7. guitarmaninks says: Feb 17, 2014 12:00 PM

    Manziel is already rich so the money will change him argument isn’t valid. What matters is his ability and IF he has decided it is time to grow up concerning his off the field issues.

  8. therealraider says: Feb 17, 2014 12:03 PM

    I wont be surprised if Manziel measures 71 & 3/4 inches.

  9. trollhammer20 says: Feb 17, 2014 12:04 PM

    Save the kind words, Manziel. But when you get drafted a lot higher than you otherwise would have, and sign a larger contract than the current SB champion QB has, maybe you might want to make a large donation to Russell’s favorite charity?

  10. bobleblah says: Feb 17, 2014 12:05 PM

    Too late for Doug Flutie.

  11. theworkhorsebackdotcom says: Feb 17, 2014 12:06 PM

    “Hey I wasn’t too shabby either”

    -Doug Flutie

  12. The Steelers cast such an immense shadow over the league. There's no wonder why we are so widely envied. We are superior. We have six Lombardis. What do you have ☹? says: Feb 17, 2014 12:10 PM

    What about Drew Brees?

  13. hawkstradamus says: Feb 17, 2014 12:11 PM

    I know Russell Wilson, and Johnny Manziel you’re no Russell Wilson.

  14. sanfranfanyouknowit says: Feb 17, 2014 12:20 PM

    Drew Brees is the standard for short QB’s. Russell Wilson is a benefactor of an amazing defense. If he was on another team with half that defense he wouldn’t even be relevant. Russell Wilson is mediocre at best

  15. kd75 says: Feb 17, 2014 12:20 PM

    On average we are about 1cm taller the morning than in the evening.

  16. realitypolice says: Feb 17, 2014 12:22 PM

    I may be in the minority, but I think Manziel is going to be fine in the NFL for the very reasons others think he won’t.

    You think defenders are going to be able to get into that hard head of his? Does he seem to you like a guy that gets intimidated very easily? Or gets deterred my minor setbacks?

    Does he have maturity issues? Sure. He grew up rich and spoiled and suffers from a slight case of Affluenza. But guess what? Everyone in the NFL is rich and spoiled.

    What he also has is off the charts athleticism and a great big pair of you know whats. I’ll take a guy like that on my team every day of the week.

  17. tennesseeoilers says: Feb 17, 2014 12:26 PM

    As a Titans fan, I can’t help thinking that Johnny Manziel is the next Vince Young. And all I have to say about that is … YIKES.

  18. dontbugmeonsundays says: Feb 17, 2014 12:32 PM

    footballcrazyguy says:
    Feb 17, 2014 11:49 AM
    The ONLY thing that Wilson and Manziel have in common is their height (Manziel is 1.5 inches taller but both are short by NFL standards). Wilson is more intelligent, focused, driven, etc. Those are things that you can’t teach so let’s hold off on the comparisons until Manziel learns to keep out of strip clubs and bars and stop signing hundreds of autographs for his creepy friends and family. He is talking the talk but what idiot doesn’t ahead of the draft. Once the NFL puts a few million is his bank account, will he revert back to the entitled idiot he behaved like in college.

    Crazy thing is, he probably already has a few million in his bank account haha

  19. officialgame says: Feb 17, 2014 12:39 PM

    The biggest difference between the two is Russell Wilson protects himself while Manziel has no regard for his body. In the NFL that distinction is critical. Wilson’s body type is also a bit thicker. For what its worth I think Manziel could succeed but only with the right team, offense, and coach.

  20. 8to80texansblog says: Feb 17, 2014 12:43 PM

    @sanfranyouknowit

    I agree that RW benefits from a great defense and had he been drafted by Cleveland he wouldn’t be close to wearing a ring. But that said, RW exudes leadership like I haven’t seen.

    Now as for Johnny Football… if you read McClain’s article, I think you might change your opinion of him a little… And for reference, McClain is a huge Baylor Bears guy and has no love for the Aggies so he’s by no means a homer.

  21. r81ders says: Feb 17, 2014 1:05 PM

    Am I the only one on here thinking that Willson would not have done it with out that killer D…With out that D Willson is like a Drew Bress…He looked lost in couple games but that defense got them the ball back many times for him to succeed. So unless Mr.Football goes to a team like the Hawks defense he has more to worry about then thanking Willson

  22. chunkala says: Feb 17, 2014 1:05 PM

    I think Manziel should be most grateful to the NFL front office for changing the rules that protect small QBs in the first place. There’s no way QBs like Wilson, Brees, Manziel survive the types of hits they would have received if 1980s rules still applied.

    In regards to Wilson, I don’t think he’s some amazing QB yet but his best strength is realizing that he doesn’t need to put up huge numbers to be successful and that he doesn’t do anything stupid to lose the game for his team.

  23. titansbro says: Feb 17, 2014 1:06 PM

    manziel’s college career is defined by making something out of broken plays. that just doesn’t work in the nfl with any consistency. the players are way too fast & athletic. they need you to not have broken plays. can you do that johnny? i’m not sold.

  24. beastmode5150 says: Feb 17, 2014 1:06 PM

    The “Russell Wilson benefits from a defense” Crowd, umm, can you go ahead and google “Most Touchdowns in first two seasons” and let me know who has that record? Thanks. For extra credit on your assignment, let me know how many rushing yards and rushing touchdowns that same person has their first two years.

  25. higheriqthanyou says: Feb 17, 2014 1:10 PM

    Sorry Johnny but RW isn’t successful because of his height but in spite of it.

    RW is a man. He studies and leads possibly better than any QB in the NFL south of Manning & Brady.

    He doesn’t spend his timing hanging out for photo pops at parties.

    That would be Kap.

  26. chawkup says: Feb 17, 2014 1:12 PM

    RW’s work ethic sets him apart. JM has never shown that he is willing to work like he needs to work to succeed in the NFL. Whichever teams drafts him will have some early success due to his athleticism but it will not be sustained unless this guy can show that he is willing to spend 16-hour days at the office. I don’t think he can.

  27. branbeezy says: Feb 17, 2014 1:12 PM

    He also forgot to include Drew Brees.

  28. higheriqthanyou says: Feb 17, 2014 1:13 PM

    Does the defense give RW a higher QB rating than 25 NFL QBs such as Kap, Roth, Brady, Ryan, Luck, Stafford, Romeo, Smith & Newton, to name a few?

  29. mncowboysfan says: Feb 17, 2014 1:16 PM

    Drew Brees would like an explanation as to why Johnny is not grateful of him for kicking that door down.

    Things to ponder:

    Perhaps a door is less structurally stable the lower it is kicked…hmmm.

  30. meatcarroll says: Feb 17, 2014 1:16 PM

    The Seahawks are a model franchise.

  31. filthymcnasty1 says: Feb 17, 2014 1:17 PM

    With that D, the Seahawks could have won with Mini Me at QB.

  32. meatcarroll says: Feb 17, 2014 1:27 PM

    Haters here feeling some type of way because Russell Wilson is on pace to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, unlike media golden boys Andrew Suck and Robert Griffin the Turd, who are both busts. #ReigningWorldChamps

  33. meatcarroll says: Feb 17, 2014 1:27 PM

    Haters here feeling some type of way because Russell Wilson is on pace to be a first ballot Hall of Famer, unlike media golden boys Andrew Suck and Robert Griffin the Turd, who are both busts. #ReigningWorldChamps

  34. footballcrazyguy says: Feb 17, 2014 1:32 PM

    Manziel is not rich!! His family have built up this image of the wealthy Texas oil family. Nothing could be farther from the truth. They are a lot closer to the trailer park than the country club. They are all waiting to cash in on old Johnny.

  35. thestatsishere says: Feb 17, 2014 2:20 PM

    Russell Wilson is more disciplined, more accurate, and is in an amazing system. He’s more of a Big Ben clone (minus size) than much else. If he really was an “elite” qb then he’d have won Super Bowl MVP honors.

    I think Manziel isn’t that lucky.

  36. pantherfan40 says: Feb 17, 2014 2:34 PM

    cant wait to see how johnny reacts when a real defense comes at him , and a real secoundarys covering his wrs

  37. beastmode5150 says: Feb 17, 2014 2:37 PM

    Russell Wilson isn’t Elite because he didn’t win Super Bowl MVP? Interesting.

  38. footballcrazyguy says: Feb 17, 2014 2:58 PM

    There isn’t a team in the league (other than Indy with Luck and possibly SF with Kaepernick) who wouldn’t trade their starting quarterback for Russell Wilson straight up. Of course he benefitted from a great defense but he makes few mistakes and is only going to get better.

  39. j0esixpack says: Feb 17, 2014 3:09 PM

    Interesting that the “black QB” card was never really played leading up to the Super Bowl and of course, after (despite the dominance of the Seattle D the offense certainly got the job done too)

    I’d say that’s the bigger breakthrough in mindset change – forget about size

  40. sanfranfanyouknowit says: Feb 17, 2014 3:21 PM

    For all the Seahawks trolling on here let me ask if Russell Wilson ever won a game with his arm. Here I’ll save you the trouble, no its always been the defense. I understand he doesn’t throw picks, he doesn’t throw the ball. nobody throws less passes over the last 2 years than Seattle, Carroll probably understands if they relied on his arm too much they couldn’t win games

  41. seabrawk12 says: Feb 17, 2014 3:45 PM

    Whoa there Johnny. Lets not go comparing yourself to a Superbowl Champion QB just yet. For someone that’s too scared to go to the Combine OR Pro Day, this guy is sounding awefully confident.

  42. lanman11 says: Feb 17, 2014 3:47 PM

    Doug Flutie 2.0.

    Except not the same quality guy. At least not right now….. But there is still time for him to grow up and mature…..hopefully.

  43. onbucky96 says: Feb 17, 2014 3:48 PM

    Johnny Football in Dallas! Dark Lord Jones, use your evil powers and make this happen!

  44. grambo2014 says: Feb 17, 2014 4:23 PM

    The only reason RW wasn’t MVP was bc the defense was historically great against “the best passing attack ever”.

    Go check his completion #, QBR and the result of EVERY offensive drive. Check out the #TD vs #INT in the post season and compare it to Luck, Kaepernick and Newton.

    He didnt win a game w his arm. Maybe the win against the Panthers or the 4th down conversion against the 9ers. BTW While Wilson was winning that game go check the 9ers QB performance in Q4.

    He plays on a team with a run-first offence and a great D yes, but his job is to win games and against that measure he is a complete success!

  45. stagedoorjohnny says: Feb 17, 2014 6:32 PM

    Russell Wilson kicked the door open for QBs under six foot tall.
    Mr. Manziel is six foot tall. The door was already open for him…check out Drew Brees, Lenny Dawson, Fran Tarkenton, Joe Thiesmann, Michael Vick, Sonny Kilmer just to name a few.

  46. usdcoyotesfan says: Feb 17, 2014 8:19 PM

    It also helped Wilson to have the refs on his side.

    9/24/12 Packer fans never forgive, never forget.

  47. txnative65 says: Feb 18, 2014 3:42 AM

    Wilson also had the highest passer rating in Div I at Wisconsin behind a pro sized line. While lack of height may make it more difficult to see downfield, he actually has larger hands than many taller pro QB’s, giving him great ball control and helps hold on in tight situations. His biggest asset in my view is humility, to let his teammates share in the victory spotlight, and following the coaches plan, rather than his own glorification. I don’t know that Manzel’s family has money, but Wilson’s Father was a prominent attorney, as is his Uncle, and his Grandfather was a University President, so he certainly wasn’t destitute in need of a fat contract to save his family.

  48. dionte08 says: Feb 19, 2014 9:18 AM

    Russell Wilson is not the first short Quarterback. Look at Mike Vick, Sonny Jurgeson, Doug Flutie, and Pat Haden. Those are the ones you should thank. Not Johnny Manziel.

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!