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Norv Turner’s presence making Vikings rethink QB plans

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Given the mess that is his current quarterback situation, it’s reasonable that Vikings general manager Rick Spielman is interested in adding one in this year’s draft.

But his new coaching staff might change when that quarterback is taken.

Spielman said the presence of new offensive coordinator Norv Turner has caused him to rethink how they might approach that search.

Spielman referenced the work Turner has done with quarterbacks including Jay Fiedler and Jason Campbell, which suggests that getting one in the first round is not a necessity.

Because right after saying the Vikings were going to “focus heavily on the draft to get another young quarterback in our system,” he quickly added that there were passers in this draft who could be available in the second, third or fourth rounds that could be franchise quarterbacks.

That’s not the only impact Turner’s having on the offense, as Spielman said the new coordinator has already drawn up 10 plays for second-year wideout Cordarrelle Patterson.

“We expect him to thrive under Norv,” Speilman said of last year’s first-rounder.

Given the success Browns wideout Josh Gordon had getting deep in Turner’s offense last year, a player with Patterson’s speed and explosive ability could help whatever grade of quarterback comes in the door, whenever that quarterback arrives.

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  1. aaronfraudgers says: Feb 20, 2014 1:43 PM

    Just get the best QB you can, period. Norv Turner never stays with one team for very long. We need a QB that can be great even when Norv leaves/retires.

  2. thevikesarebest says: Feb 20, 2014 1:43 PM

    The Vikings are the icon of the league.our dynasty next season will have everyone hating us.they are already jealous of our franchise and this dynasty will make it unbearable for them.SKOL

  3. shaggytoodle says: Feb 20, 2014 1:44 PM

    How many playoff games did Fiedler and Campbell win?

    What good is a WR getting open 55 yards down the field when your QB can only throw it 40 with accuracy?

    Patterson has quite a ways to go if he wants to be a great WR. Starting with route running.

  4. theleaguesbest says: Feb 20, 2014 1:48 PM

    The Vikings: Joke of a franchise, ready to move to an arena league once their new stadium is complete.

  5. chipper41 says: Feb 20, 2014 1:50 PM

    good news because the current group of QBs on the roster would make the team rethink their offensive coordinator approach

  6. pftstory says: Feb 20, 2014 2:01 PM

    So the Vikings were looking to draft a potentially great QB in the first round.
    But now they have a coach who can make a below average QB achieve a decent level of mediocrity.
    This is better than drafting the potentially great QB and having that coach help him reach that greatness?

  7. FlashPatterson says: Feb 20, 2014 2:05 PM

    I would describe the Vikings QB situation as more of a clean slate than a mess… Last year was a mess.

  8. 8oneanddones says: Feb 20, 2014 2:05 PM

    Norv Turner’s presence makes three teams in the NFC North really giddy.

  9. f1restarter says: Feb 20, 2014 2:06 PM

    The Vikings are the running joke of the NFL.

    There’s only a 6.8% chance that they’ll win a Super Bowl before the Sun becomes a red giant and swallows the Earth.

  10. reesesteel23 says: Feb 20, 2014 2:06 PM

    Speilman said the new coordinator has already drawn up 10 plays for second-year wideout Cordarrelle Patterson.

    O the dripping sound?…Salivating is all…

  11. guvsta says: Feb 20, 2014 2:06 PM

    Referencing Fiedler and Campbell as options for getting a QB outside round 1 is probably the clearest indication that they plan to take one in the first. Either that or he didn’t think it through properly!

  12. realfootballfan says: Feb 20, 2014 2:07 PM

    Jay Fiedler and Jason Campbell? How many playoff games did those teams win with those QBs being coached by Turner? Why exactly does Spielman still have his job, but Frazier was the obvious problem? No wonder Packer fans make fun of Viking fans when this is considered acceptable.

  13. thestrategyexpert says: Feb 20, 2014 2:08 PM

    He’s right there’s great value in all rounds for QB this year. Even the 7th round QBs could be exciting if some of your higher board guys are still left.

  14. trollhammer20 says: Feb 20, 2014 2:12 PM

    Guess Kaep and Wilson have everyone thinking they can wait until the second or third round and still pick a QB who can lead a team to the Super Bowl.

  15. seanpbeck says: Feb 20, 2014 2:15 PM

    You can have Campbell for a 7th if you take Brandon Weeden with him!

  16. deltaoracle says: Feb 20, 2014 2:17 PM

    Play #1 for Cordarrelle: Run as fast as you can down the left sideline.
    Play #2 for Cordarrelle: Run as fast as you can down the right sideline.
    Play #3 for Cordarrelle: Run as fast as you can from left to right.
    Play #4…

  17. chuckforeman44 says: Feb 20, 2014 2:17 PM

    As a Vikings fan, and having watched them play the last several years, I would like to say….”If Norv thinks we can win with the QBs we have on the roster now, perhaps we should look at drafting a new OC with our first pick”.

    …..C’MON MAN!!!

  18. bordner says: Feb 20, 2014 2:18 PM

    “Vikings QB Plans”

    Now there’s three words you don’t see used in the same sentence very often!

  19. fwippel says: Feb 20, 2014 2:22 PM

    As a Viking fan, I’m glad Norv Turner is coming to Minnesota. BUT, assuming that Christian Ponder is salvagable in Minnesota would be a very big mistake.

    If the Vikings are not going to move up in the draft and take Manziel or Bridgewater, they need to trade down, add picks, and pick up someone like Mettenburger or Murray in round two.

    The Vikings have had one genuine franchise QB in their entire history. It’s long past time to find another, even if that means trading up to get him.

  20. r8rsfan says: Feb 20, 2014 2:23 PM

    I think Troy Aikman may be a better endorsement than Fiddler on the Roof and Soup.

  21. dualprime says: Feb 20, 2014 2:27 PM

    Matt Cassel is available…uh…maybe not.

  22. sdsmooth says: Feb 20, 2014 2:27 PM

    Fiedler and Campbell are the new standard in Minnesota? Wow. Well … I guess that’s a slight notch above the old standard of Ponder and Freeman.

    And the circus continues …

  23. purpleguy says: Feb 20, 2014 2:30 PM

    Other than Packer fans (obviously), are people really stupid enough to believe anything a GM says about potential draft picks prior to the draft?

  24. realdealsteel says: Feb 20, 2014 2:31 PM

    None of the QB’s coming out looks like a sure thing. So, it’s possible the best QB coming out of this class of QB’s isn’t in the first or second round.

    This year is a complete crap shoot and a QB guru like Norv (love him or hate him, he knows QB’s) might be able to see the prize of this draft and he may not be in the first round. That’s what he was basically saying.

  25. tvjules says: Feb 20, 2014 2:31 PM

    Troy Aikman isn’t in this draft, Norv.

  26. sdsmooth says: Feb 20, 2014 2:32 PM

    The standard in Green Bay is Aaron Rodgers.

    The standard in Chicago is Jay Cutler.

    The standard in Detroit is Matthew Stafford.

    The standard in Minnesota is Jay Fiedler.

    BWAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

  27. The Great Ted Thompson the Genius says: Feb 20, 2014 2:35 PM

    That’s kind of a weird statement. If Manziel, Bortles, or Bridgewater is there at 8, they’ll pick him no matter who their offensive coordinator is. Is his point that he’ll be less likely to reach for a second-round quarterback in the first round because Norv can turn a sow’s ear into a silk purse?

  28. wydok says: Feb 20, 2014 2:40 PM

    Trade up for Johnny Football.

  29. genericcommenter says: Feb 20, 2014 2:43 PM

    Jay Fiedler was below average as a starter. Sure, he maximized his modest potential. It would make sense if you were talking about finding and grooming undrafted or lowly drafted QBs who can stick on a roster and play if needed. That’s a huge difference from finding a “franchise QB.”

    Campbell was a FIRST RD Pick! And he’s shown he can be a decent starter in the right situation. Not really sure that he has outperformed expectations as a 1st round pick.

    The choice of these examples doesn’t fit the narrative.

  30. khmer379 says: Feb 20, 2014 2:44 PM

    As long as that QB isnt Ponder 2.0 we be happy! Signed Viking Fans

  31. ugk612 says: Feb 20, 2014 2:46 PM

    Zach Mettenberger in the later rounds, matey 3rd or 4th. Defense and o line first.

  32. backdapack4evr says: Feb 20, 2014 2:49 PM

    Re-think QB plans???
    That is fun-eeeeee
    Lol

  33. shaggytoodle says: Feb 20, 2014 2:49 PM

    Play #5 snap ball, throw to Patterson right away, hope he makes 11 guys miss.

    Chuckles go out to the guy that thinks dynasties are made in one season.

  34. filthymcnasty1 says: Feb 20, 2014 2:50 PM

    Jay Fiedler?

    Jason Campbell?

    It’s a veritable Who’s Who of hapless and tasteless QB’s.

    Way to shoot for the stars, Spieldope.

  35. The Great Ted Thompson the Genius says: Feb 20, 2014 2:58 PM

    Packer fans were hailing Matt Flynn as their savior last year. Wasn’t he the guy who was cut by two different terrible teams in the same season, each time because he couldn’t beat out an undrafted rookie free agent?

  36. riverhorsey says: Feb 20, 2014 2:58 PM

    Should the Vikings trade Peterson for the Rams No. 2 & 13 picks ?

  37. duece5 says: Feb 20, 2014 3:08 PM

    Spielman is THE MASTER of deception…….way to keep them guessing Rick!!!!!

    Translation: We are trading up for Manziel, Bridgewater, or Bortles!!!!!

  38. ariani1985 says: Feb 20, 2014 3:08 PM

    In related news, green bay has lost in the first round of the nfl playoffs for the 5th straight year. Who’s your purple daddy.

  39. whatjusthapped says: Feb 20, 2014 3:17 PM

    I don’t get it, where does all this optimism come from just because Norv Turner has been hired as the new OC? Where has he exactly turned anything around in his entire career?

    To cite Jay Fielder is a joke, Ponder is probably a better QB than Fielder ever was and Ponder will never be a starting QB for any other team except the Vikings.

    Drawing up plays for Patterson is one thing, getting him the ball is quite another. Have the Vikings designed anything to get them out of the NFC North basement. That would be a step up.

  40. gbmickey says: Feb 20, 2014 3:17 PM

    If this doesn’t prove Spielman is delusional I do not know what does. Referencing Campbell and Fielder as examples of Turner molding these qb’s like it was a positive is one funny statement. Whats become embarrassing is having to defend our division to people when we have the Vikings in it.

  41. filthymcnasty1 says: Feb 20, 2014 3:18 PM

    Jay Fiedler???

    Jason Campbell???

    Rick Spielman is a Mortician.

  42. bla bla bla says: Feb 20, 2014 3:20 PM

    Patterson is an awesome return man, but so far he’s Devin Hester 2.0. One trick pony that can’t run routes. He may or may not ever get it.

  43. lukekuechlyrocks59 says: Feb 20, 2014 3:20 PM

    I’ve heard about Jay Fiedler, BARELY ever heard the name Jason Campbell, or anything about what his accomplishments are, if any. I’m sure it ain’t much. If Spielman considers even for a minute, that either of these 2 QB’s were even close to mediocre, and uses that info as one of the factors that help choose a new QB, then the Vikings are in REAL TROUBLE! This is not even taking into consideration Spielman’s record of what he apparently considered quarterback talent in the past. OMG! They say that Norv Turner has a brilliant offensive mind. He’s hung around in the NFL for quite a number of years, so experience is definitely not an issue. His coaching record isn’t exactly stellar, but it’s not disastrous, either. and to NFL coaches, players, AND fans, Norv Turner is a household name. Even without knowing much at all about Norv, I’d still venture that he has a better eye, and knows more about how to spot a talented, potential franchise QB than Spielman can only wish he had. This leads me to just hope and pray that Turner, and any assistants surrounding him, will have a GREAT BIG OL’ VOICE, (more so than the OC’s of the past), in selecting the next bona fide starting QB for the Vikings, ESPECIALLY if they’re going draft him, and decide to wait until the later rounds to make that move. SKOL!!

  44. filthymcnasty1 says: Feb 20, 2014 3:24 PM

    Jay Fiedler???

    Jason Campbell???

    A lot of people wonder why the hapless and tasteless last place Vikings are so bad at football.

    But now, after reading this article, they can just sit back and enjoy the games.

  45. dickshotdogs says: Feb 20, 2014 3:29 PM

    Ryan Mallett.

  46. filthymcnasty1 says: Feb 20, 2014 3:37 PM

    Jay Fiedler???

    Jason Campbell???

    If those guys were the target, then that noodle armed Ponder chick wasn’t too far off the mark.

  47. gbmickey says: Feb 20, 2014 3:38 PM

    Hey how did the master of deception fare with the Ponder reach in the 1st round? How about the 2mil. dollar wonder Freeman? The only marginal qb you had Cassell couldn’t wait to get out even with the real possibility he will make less money next year. This whole offseason makes one wonder how this franchise can even function.

  48. r8dernation says: Feb 20, 2014 3:40 PM

    Wow, how long can this guy ride Aikman’s coattail?

  49. therealbigben says: Feb 20, 2014 3:45 PM

    The Vikings should draft QBs with every pick in the draft. That’s their best bet at landing the next Jason Campbell

  50. filthymcnasty1 says: Feb 20, 2014 3:48 PM

    Jay Fiedler???

    Jason Campbell???

    The Vikings are what happens when the brain trust is brain dead.

  51. fwippel says: Feb 20, 2014 3:56 PM

    Regardless of what Turner does now, it is Rick Spielman whose neck is on the chopping block if the next QB of the future ends up being a bust.

    Spielman has embarrassed himself over the past couple of years with his choices of reaching two rounds early for Ponder, paying Josh Freeman $2 million to sit on the bench, and believing that Sage Rosenfels was a potential starter / quality backup.

    There are plenty of QB prospects in this year’s draft. However, reaching at #8 for a guy like Derek Carr would be a colossal mistake. Taking any QB in round one other than Manziel, Bridgewater or Bortles would be a huge mistake.

    The thing is, I just don’t believe Spielman knows how to recognize QB talent, so I don’t have much confidence in his ability to select one in either the draft or free agency.

  52. Norseman says: Feb 20, 2014 4:11 PM

    If I played fantasy football, I’d make damn sure Cordarrelle Patterson was on my team.

  53. mt10425 says: Feb 20, 2014 4:27 PM

    Yeah, go ahead put all your offensive eggs in norvs basket. We did for years. One year without Norv brought our boy Rivers back to life.

  54. bobnelsonjr says: Feb 20, 2014 4:29 PM

    They are deceiving themselves with deception.

    Unless the ever start taking a realistic approach to the QB position, they will be in the same boat they have been in since the late 70′s.

    Poor ol’ Norv shouldn’t have to put up with this nonsense.

    They keep changing the narrative in Minnesota (deception of the week, not deception of their weak) until their customers just don’t know what to believe after half a century of deception. Look at the trash viking customers post here unedited!!

    Ponder will not lose the starting job to a rookie.

    It is not like the days of starting Tarvaris Jackson with his Sponge Bob backpack.

  55. bobnelsonjr says: Feb 20, 2014 4:33 PM

    Minnesota vikings – Making wise QB decisions since 1979.

  56. sidepull says: Feb 20, 2014 4:40 PM

    Norvus Nerve.
    Good luck with that.

  57. jermainewiggins says: Feb 20, 2014 5:01 PM

    Filthy is rly bored again… nothing better to do but comment on viking threds.

  58. shaggytoodle says: Feb 20, 2014 5:16 PM

    The vikings are so awful that thier fans can’t remember the last time they were in playoffs. A few years ago the packers hosted the vikings, GB wasn’t one and done that year.

  59. filthymcnasty1 says: Feb 20, 2014 5:18 PM

    Jay Fiedler???

    Jason Campbell???

    Spieldope must have woke up feeling like Viking fans haven’t been ridiculed enough today.

  60. ishotthesharrif says: Feb 20, 2014 5:45 PM

    As a Vikings fan, this “we need to get a QB this year” mentality scares me to death: every time we get in a situation where we absolutely need to address the position we go out and get a QB with maybe 1-3 good years left (Warren Moon, Randall Cunningham, Jeff George, Brett Favre) with zero backup plan or overdraft a QB based on need (Tavaris Jackson, Christian Ponder); Josh Freeman will be a joke that haunts our franchise for the next twenty years.

    As many needs as we have, if we don’t have a shot at Bortles or Carr (as I assume both Manziel and Bridgewater will be long gone) at #8 I’d rather we:

    >Try to see what interest STL has in drafting a QB at #2, then trading them #8 to move backwards for Sam Bradford/Pick #13/Pick #106; target a DB like Ha Ha Clinton-Dix, Justin Gilbert or Darqueze Dennard at #13, use the newly-acquired 4th rounder for either OL/DL depth.

    >Offer the Browns Pick #8 for Brandon Weeden/Pick #26/Pick #35; Weeden has familiarity in Norv’s offense – let him start, let Ponder back him up, draft Jimmy Garroppolo with Pick #40 as our long-term development plan. Hope we suck enough to have a shot at Jameis Winston in 2015. Spend Pick #26 on a DB and Pick #35 on either a DL/OL.

  61. tremoluxman says: Feb 20, 2014 5:46 PM

    I’m sitting here busting a gut laughing at all the football experts slagging the Vikings and Turner.

    As my wife famously said to me, “If you’re so smart, why not call Winter Park and apply for the HC job?”

  62. toddc612 says: Feb 20, 2014 5:47 PM

    Norv, just pretend that Ponder is not on the roster and go from there, okay?

    My gawd. Dump that waste of space that is Christian Ponder already –no fan wants to see him take the field ever again.

  63. swendog says: Feb 20, 2014 5:59 PM

    Norv didn’t get Fiedler until Denny had already worked his magic on him, so that one doesn’t count.

  64. favrelous says: Feb 20, 2014 6:50 PM

    Hey Flash (jerry rice’s nickname CP)
    Go short, med & long. Run them on the right, center and the left. WHAMMO, 9 new plays.

  65. khmer379 says: Feb 20, 2014 7:16 PM

    Wow all these packers fan bashing turner wait till we bash your defense lol this year will be great.. I know one thing for sure the Packers will not win the north!

  66. admiralgeneralaladeen says: Feb 20, 2014 7:30 PM

    I never realized how bored Packer fans are. And Packer fans say Vikings fans come and invade THEIR articles with trolls.

  67. vikingcheesegrater says: Feb 20, 2014 7:37 PM

    This is the time of year when you can’t believe anything coming out of the mouths of GM’s and coaches. Anything can be a smokescreen.

  68. bigjim50010 says: Feb 20, 2014 9:35 PM

    Will it even matter?

    I would like to see them actually put together back to back winning seasons.

    They will mess it up, implode midseason and the Purp fans will turn so quick on Zim and Norv, they will seriously reminisce on how good it was with Chilly.

  69. wiseguy12 says: Feb 20, 2014 11:48 PM

    It’s funny to see all the experts predict how terrible the Vikings will be in 2014. In 2011 the Vikes finished 3-13. Everyone expected more of the same with the optimists predicting 6-10 maybe even 8-8. In 2012 they had a 10-6 record far exceeding most expectations. Last year many expected a 9-7 or 8-8 (primarily due to Ponder’s questionable skills) and Minnesota was fortunate enough (or unfortunate depending on how you look at it) to finish at 6-10. Truth is so many things can happen during the course of the regular season it is nearly impossible to predict how a team will finish. One thing is certain, you have to have enough quality and depth to compete. Minnesota has some young talented player and of course Adrian Peterson. I say draft the best quality player available on defense at No. 8 and trade for a young (or maybe not so young) backup QB with potential that the staff can work with. The coaching staff was lost last year and did not have much to work with at the QB position. That combination contributed heavily to the dismal season.

  70. mnsadsportsfan says: Feb 20, 2014 11:48 PM

    Just please deactivate ponders key fob to winter park

  71. campcouch says: Feb 21, 2014 12:44 AM

    I think he inferred that if he could get Fiedler and Campbell to produce something reasonable,he could get a slightly more capable QB in Ponder or even Freeman to be a bit more successful. I mean he did put Gus Frerotte in the Pro Bowl in Washington. He’s pretty lousy as a HC but not bad at getting the max out of QBs. At worse he’ll improve whatever signal caller you have or will draft.

  72. mackstrong2013 says: Feb 21, 2014 3:32 AM

    This team has a lot of holes, and turning around from such a disappointing year could be tough. Fortunately we play in the NFC North, so, you know, we have that going for us.

  73. brewdogg says: Feb 21, 2014 7:12 AM

    Does anybody out there remember when the Packer faithful were reminiscing fondly about the accomplishments of Lynn Dickey and Don Majkowski and trying to forget things like the John Hadl trade and drafting Jerry Tagge and Rich Campell?

    And then they went and traded the 19th overall pick in the ’92 draft for a guy who was 0-4 with two interceptions for his career.

    That reminds me…. I wonder what Mark Chmura’s opinion of Woody Allen is……

    Did you know that at no point in Vikings franchise history have they had more than 5 sub-.500 seasons in any ten consecutive years? I wonder how frustrating a fanbase must become when following a team that only manages a winning record 5 times over the course of 24 seasons. I’m guessing they tend towards selective amnesia about times like that…..

    Anyway, i’m thinking that a fresh start at QB is probably a good idea. Really don’t care if it’s someone else’s young backup (even if that player has not posted the greatest efforts to this point) or some rookie. Ponder does not seem like he is in a position to succeed at this point (although our experiences with letting players like Brad johnson and Rich Gannon walk should cause hesitation), so it’s time to give someone else a chance. I don’t know any more about it than anyone else, so i’ll jsut sit back and see what happens.

    Good day all.

  74. kbdl31 says: Feb 21, 2014 12:42 PM

    Am I the only one who thinks this is a good sign? I like the idea of taking a defensive player first round instead of reaching for a QB, which would probably be Carr. After all, defense does win championships, and we had plenty of holes to fill without reaching in the first round. Call me crazy but even if we managed to get one of the top three quarterbacks, personally I would feel a lot better taking Khalil Mack or Anthony Barr. Let’s not forget that despite our mess at QB this year, our defense was actually a lot worse than our offense. And I think Norv will be great for us.

  75. filthymcnasty1 says: Feb 21, 2014 12:55 PM

    Jay Fiedler?

    Jason Campbell???

    “Uhhh, Rick, you can stop embracing the suck now”.

    - Jared Allen

  76. purplehaze28 says: Feb 21, 2014 4:44 PM

    Sorry guys.
    Toby Gerhardt is going to the Rams for pick #2.

  77. rickytheviking says: Feb 21, 2014 5:39 PM

    Go Norv!!!

    Get us a Tom Brady or a Russell Wilson in the
    later rounds
    Not a Ryan Leaf in the first round

  78. jimmyjames65 says: Feb 22, 2014 9:33 AM

    Offer the Browns Pick #8 for Brandon Weeden/Pick #26/Pick #35; Weeden has familiarity in Norv’s offense – let him start, let Ponder back him up? Aiming high are we? That sounds like a quick way to destroy a below average to mediocre team.

  79. jimmyjames65 says: Feb 22, 2014 9:35 AM

    Vikings will be lucky to finish 3rd ahead of the Bears.

  80. shaggytoodle says: Feb 22, 2014 9:37 PM

    khmer379 says:
    Feb 20, 2014 7:16 PM

    Wow all these packers fan bashing turner wait till we bash your defense lol this year will be great.. I know one thing for sure the Packers will not win the north!
    ____________

    They bashed them last year too… and could only muster up a Tie. I

    If there was a season the Packers wouldn’t win the division it would have been last year.

    They can’t always have that bad luck when it comes to injuries.

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