Shockingly, Pats keep cards close to the vest on Talib

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The clock is ticking on the annual application of the franchise tag.

Regarding the possibility of tagging Aqib Talib, the Pats are keeping their intentions tightly guarded.  As they usually do.

About pretty much everything.

Last year, Talib wasn’t tagged.  He hit the market, eventually rejoining the Patriots on a one-year, $5 million deal.

This time, a far more robust market is expected for Talib.  The problem for the Pats is that, thanks to Aaron Hernandez, it becomes very difficult to invest big money over the long haul in a guy with a history of off-field issues.

And that could be why some believe that Patriots are interested in shaking Darrelle Revis away from the Buccaneers.  With Revis costing $16 million and the tag for Talib costing $11.834 million, it could make more sense to pay the extra $4.166 million to Revis.

76 responses to “Shockingly, Pats keep cards close to the vest on Talib

  1. Teams that have also not won a Super Bowl since Spygate:

    Buffalo, Miami, NY Jets, Houston, Tennessee, Jacksonville, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Denver, San Diego, Kansas City, Oakland, Dallas, Philadelphia, Washington, Carolina, Atlanta, Tampa Bay, Chicago, Detroit, Minnesota, San Francisco, Arizona, St. Louis

  2. The Patriots won’t tag Talib and they sure as hell aren’t going to sign Revis for $16 million.

  3. But when they gave Hernandez all that money on the big extension that was after they already spent a 2nd Round pick on Gronkowski. You need more CBs than TEs anyhow and the Patriots have very little beyond Talib at the moment. They aren’t going to let him get away, well unless they can snag Verner now that the Titans appear to be letting him get away.

  4. Broncos Super Bowls since they got caught cheating the Salary Cap (Capgate): Zero

  5. Every time “logicalvoicesays” leaves a comment I click his name and read “Robert Griffin the 3rd will be the greatest QB to ever live when it’s all said and done. The Washington Redskins are a first class organization who will win Super Bowl upon Super Bowl for taking initative to draft RGIII. If you don’t agree than you are either don’t know the sport of football or are a moron. Case closed. #HTTR”.

    -at that point I remember how ridiculous his opinion is.

  6. IMO the Pats would never give up picks in the deepest draft in yrs AND pay Revis huge money. I also don’t think the Pats would pay him almost 12 mil under the franchise tag, Grimes already set the market at 8. Grimes is older than Talib, but less of a risk. I would bet the holdup is the Pats don’t want to give Talib his whole signing bonus up front, because of injuries, off field issues (from the past) and the Hernandez fiasco. They probably want to defer some of it or base it on playing time, etc. Talib will have to decide if he wants to accept that or hit the market. He’s a good player, but a risk. There are a lot of other good FA CBs out there. Still think it gets done.

  7. .

    Patriots win totals since 2001 : 11, 9, 14, 11, 16, 12, 16, 11, 10, 14, 13, 12, 12.

    They show all the signs of a failed franchise. It’s a wonder the league hasn’t intervened to save the fans from another decade of abuse.

    .

  8. here’s how many PLAYOFF GAMES (nevermind SB’s) the Redskins have won since Camera Gate:

    0

    Zero, plus any other other number, is still ZERO,
    oh non-logical-one

  9. logicalvoicesays says:
    Mar 3, 2014 2:35 PM
    Here’s how many Superbowls the New England Patriots* have won since Spygate :

    …………………..

    Here’s how many Super Bowl the redskins have won since Snyder bought the team: 0

    Here’s how many super bowls the redskins have won since drafting RGIII: 0

    Here’s how many Super Bowls the redakins have won since 1991: 0

  10. thepftpoet says:
    Mar 3, 2014 2:40 PM
    Meanwhile The Vikings are the best team in the NFL.

    …………..

    They finished below 500 last year and have never won a Super Bowl.

    Go back to watching reruns of Mamas Family with Logicalvoicesays…

  11. REMEMBER: new england wouldn’t have had a first round bye and home field advantage in the playoffs if it wasn’t for a BOGUS LAST SECOND PASS INTERFERENCE CALL against Cleveland.

  12. Brady is average. I hate Revis, but at this stage in their careers Revis is better. Hell, Brady is only considered to be an all time great because he played on a Pats team that won 3 Super Bowls with some of the best defenses to ever play the game. Add to that the cheating and Adam V. and Brady looks less important to those wins. (Unless you think, the Tuck rule and his 1 TD pass to go along with his 1 INT in his first playoff SEASON, makes him great) Brady has no major individual records…what all time great QB has held 1 or less passing records?

    And don’t bring up rings, cretins. Rings are team accomplishments. If rings mattered, in regards to individual greatness, Dilfer and Wilson are better than Marino, Tarkenton, and Fouts and they are equal to P. Manning.

    Please…the Pats, if you overlook their cheating, had some of the greatest TEAMS and coaches in NFL history between 2000-2007. They’ve had the same HC since then and that’s why they are competitive. BB wins with Cassel as QB and scrubs on defense.

  13. Why is it every Pats article turns into a hate fest by trolls who are clearly jealous of our first class organization, either way try to keep comments on the topic of the actual article.

    It’s always the sane comments over and over again and it’s really repetitive. No secret the a Pats keep everything private that’s how they do business let it go it shouldn’t shock anyone.

  14. marinephinfan1 says: Mar 3, 2014 3:20 PM

    Brady is average. I hate Revis, but at this stage in their careers Revis is better. Hell, Brady is only considered to be an all time great because he played on a Pats team that won 3 Super Bowls with some of the best defenses to ever play the game. Add to that the cheating and Adam V. and Brady looks less important to those wins. (Unless you think, the Tuck rule and his 1 TD pass to go along with his 1 INT in his first playoff SEASON, makes him great) Brady has no major individual records…what all time great QB has held 1 or less passing records?

    And don’t bring up rings, cretins. Rings are team accomplishments. If rings mattered, in regards to individual greatness, Dilfer and Wilson are better than Marino, Tarkenton, and Fouts and they are equal to P. Manning.

    Please…the Pats, if you overlook their cheating, had some of the greatest TEAMS and coaches in NFL history between 2000-2007. They’ve had the same HC since then and that’s why they are competitive. BB wins with Cassel as QB and scrubs on defense.


    Dumbest comment ever!!

    You can say all those same things about Montana
    Every SB he won his D was ranked #5 or better.

  15. REMEMBER: new england wouldn’t have had a first round bye and home field advantage in the playoffs if it wasn’t for a BOGUS LAST SECOND PASS INTERFERENCE CALL against Cleveland…………………..or maybe they would still have if not for the NON call pass interference against Carolina???

  16. Talib, this is your last opportunity for a decent payday, do the right thing by your family and shop the market.

    #nohometowndiscount

  17. As a Panthers fan, I’m torn between wanting Revis out of our division, and wanting to watch the very entertaining spectacle of him failing miserably in Lovie Smith’s defense and foaming at the mouth in the post-game presser meltdowns.

    I may pull for the former. I should get plenty of laughs at the expense of those new totally butt-ugly Bucs uniforms.

  18. I remember that last second pass interference call against Cleve. That resulted in the Bengals missing the bye and getting blown out at home by a 9-7 Wildcard team. That must still sting.

  19. phillyshouldsignmaclin says: Mar 3, 2014 3:07 PM

    Would the Eagles have won in 2004 sans spygate ??
    ——-

    Yes. The pats D beat the puke out of McNabb. The guy could barely stand in the fourth quarter.

  20. The Eagles would have performed better in the 2004 superbowl if mcnabb wasn’t puking all over his shoes.

  21. “With Revis costing $16 million and the tag for Talib costing $11.834 million, it could make more sense to pay the extra $4.166 million to Revis.”

    Uh, Revis is a free agent now? That’s news to me. In order for the Pats to pay that extra 4 million and change to Revis, they’ll have to surrender multiple draft picks. Since the Pats are picking near the bottom of the first round, you’re talking about dealing a first this year and likely next year along with a third or fourth round pick. And that’s assuming the Bucs, who have plenty of cap space to retain Revis and still sign other free agents, choose to flip the superstar CB who just recently got back to 100%.

    It doesn’t add up. Why give up a superstar when you just brought in a legit coaching staff? And don’t tell me about the Cover-2. Lovie himself has said more than once since becoming head coach of the Bucs that he plans on playing heavy man coverage within the Cover-2.

  22. Most fans, and certainly not “illogicalvoices”, understand that the Patriots were one play away from home field advantage throughout the playoffs except for a missed tackle on fourth and long by Steve Gregory in Miami. Not that it would have mattered, even if they got to their third Super Bowl in four years, Seattle would have beat them. Still, with everything that went against them in 2013 they were one play from being the best in the AFC. If Brady and Belichick are back and stay healthy they are always a threat to win it all.

  23. thepftpoet says:

    Meanwhile The Vikings are the best team in the NFL.

    ____________________________
    The Vikings have finished dead last in the NFL North in two out of the last 3 seasons. Primarily because they don’t have a qB that in the top half of all starters.

    Now that is not going to change in 2014 so another last place finish is very likely for the “best team in the NFL”

  24. Brady is NOT AVERAGE. His QB rating this year was 11th out of 32. That makes him slightly above average.

  25. trollaikman8 says: Mar 3, 2014 3:46 PM

    “Brady is average.”

    Stopped reading.
    ———————————————————–

    That’s fine. I hear that ignorance is bliss. Go and take a gander at Brady’s average numbers last season and tell me why he’s better than those.

    Let me guess…because he was better in previous seasons? The Pats have three Super Bowl wins with him at QB? He has a supermodel wife?

  26. Here’s how many Superbowls the New England Patriots* have won since Spygate :

    =============

    These sort of comments are getting old and lame. There are about 28 teams that haven’t won a super bowl since spygate.

  27. It’s funny how the media and websites like this have a moan whenever the Pats, Andy Reid etc etc keep something secretive, therein ruining any chance of “breaking stories” or “insider info” around those teams.

  28. @marinephinfan1 – What is your agenda with the Patriots honestly? You just love to come on here just like the other no lifes and trolls talking about “spygate” “overrated” “tuckrule” blah blah blah to the blippety blah blah blah. Worry about the dolphins who have stunk since ’72. Dan Marino should’ve played somewhere else. Good weather that’s it. @logicalvoice – I can’t figure out your issue with a team that isn’t even in your division. Why? What is the fascination? I am completely flummoxed with this but then again, I am just as bad for responding to these diatribes. What have the Redskins won? What have the Jets won? What have the Dolphins won? Jealousy is a deadly sin period!

  29. trollaikman8 says: Mar 3, 2014 3:46 PM

    “Brady is average.”

    Stopped reading.
    ———————————————————–

    That’s fine. I hear that ignorance is bliss. Go and take a gander at Brady’s average numbers last season and tell me why he’s better than those.

    Let me guess…because he was better in previous seasons? The Pats have three Super Bowl wins with him at QB? He has a supermodel wife?


    Yes ignorence is blis.
    Please tell us how so many people can be wrong about Brady by calling him one of the best ever but you have it all figured out.
    All these head coaches former coaches and players they are

    Brady’s second half of the season last year after he got some weapons back 66.8% comp 370.8 yards per game, 14/4 td to int. yep that’s “average”

    The sad thing is anyone can easily show you how stupid you comment is but you have absolutely nothing to back up you comment about Brady being “average”

  30. Go and take a gander at Brady’s average numbers last season and tell me why he’s better than those.
    ————————————————–
    Brady’s receiving and TE corps:

    Amendola: started only 6 gms and played hurt all yr.
    Edelman: College QB 7th rnd pick who no one wanted as a FA last yr.
    Hooman/Mulligan: 5th rnd castoff and UFA off the street.
    3 rookie WRs: including a 4th rnd pk and UFA.

    Nobody could have done more with less. No objective watcher of FB would call Brady average, only haters w/an agenda.

  31. I doubt the Patriots are really interested in Revis but, if they are. they will end with him or Talib on their terms.

  32. thenyolive says: Mar 3, 2014 3:42 PM

    phillyshouldsignmaclin says: Mar 3, 2014 3:07 PM

    Would the Eagles have won in 2004 sans spygate ??
    ——-

    Yes. The pats D beat the puke out of McNabb. The guy could barely stand in the fourth quarter.
    _________________________________

    Another voice from the peanut gallery that forgets that spygate was about defensive signals being taped. That doesn’t change McNabb’s puke-a-thon in the 4th.

  33. Isn’t it interesting to observe that whenever there is a posting involving the Patriots how many moronic spygate comments are made? I’d think serious football fans would know better.

  34. Logical voice is the funniest guy in the world.

    I love reading his post because they are hilarious. I will never take he or the Redskins seriously as long as Snyder owns and runs that team.

  35. Is his mother out of jail yet? Since he threw her under the bus has anything changed? I didn’t think so.

  36. It’s because playing it close to the vest is everybody on 3…1…2…3 “The Patriot Way!!!”

    I like both players and I’d be happy if they were Jets. And if NE pays revis $16 million next year, I’ll ride my bike from one end of the jersey shore to the other in Pats garb from head to toe

  37. Logicalvoicesays… You know what the problem is with your posts, it’s not the fact that you say the same thing every time when it comes to the Patriots, it’s that you have absolutely no football IQ at all. I have been waiting for a long time for one of your posts to actually be “logical” and look I’m still waiting…..

  38. doctorrustbelt says:
    Mar 3, 2014 3:17 PM
    REMEMBER: new england wouldn’t have had a first round bye and home field advantage in the playoffs if it wasn’t for a BOGUS LAST SECOND PASS INTERFERENCE CALL against Cleveland.

    ************************

    Oh come on! Goes both ways man. What about that BOGUS LAST SECOND call in OVERTIME vs. JETS ? The only time all season that crappy rule was called.

  39. Yes, say Patriots and they say spygate; say Jacksonville and they say tarps (the Jaguars outdrew the Steelers AGAIN this year but that’s irrelevant).

    Far less brought up (although it was above) is the Broncos circumventing the salary cap during their late nineties SB years. That’s a real crime IMO, it underlies the integrity of the game.

  40. He would be the best WR on the Pats too.

    But as noted above, this team is in decline and needs to reload in the draft. Includes drafting a QB in round 2/3 as Tom is approaching the end, quickly.

  41. AJ McCarron is a born Patriot and BB will take him in the 1st round.

    The Texans will take Clowney in the draft and send their #2 to NE for Mallett. Bill O’Brien loves Mallett and then will have Clowney and Watt as his 3-4 DE’s.

  42. Hey razzle. I didn’t know McCarron was a born lying cheating mumble mouthed two faced sore loser.

  43. u4iadman says:
    Mar 3, 2014 7:41 PM
    He would be the best WR on the Pats too.

    But as noted above, this team is in decline and needs to reload in the draft. Includes drafting a QB in round 2/3 as Tom is approaching the end, quickly.

    Where do you people come up with this? How are they in decline?
    They lost Welker Hernandez and only had Grong for 6 games. There leading wr was a former QB and there D was decimated by injury and they were still 1 game away from playing in a 6th SB since 2001.
    What part of that is in “decline” ?

  44. bushwoodcc says: Mar 3, 2014 4:32 PM

    Another voice from the peanut gallery that forgets that spygate was about defensive signals being taped. That doesn’t change McNabb’s puke-a-thon in the 4th.
    ——
    The only peanut gallery I’m familiar with has folks who think camera gate had something to do with the Pats winning; Logical, Rustbelt, Steelers fans, Colts fans, Ravens fans, etc.
    That 2004 Pats D was better than people remember.

  45. Talib is a proven commodity in NE. Revis hasn’t really proven anything since the knee injury. If give talib 3 years with incentives based on playing time. We can’t keep losing him when the big game is on the line though.

    As far as the comment section goes it used to be really really good, now it’s loaded with trolls and out of 100 comments maybe half are on topic and a quarter are actually intelligent. Occasionally the right post still brings out some truly thought provoking comments, but it’s getting rare. The pftpoets, and the logicalvoices (who are actually the same person) are ruining the comment sections on this great site. I do miss the old days before the nbc partnership when the site traffic was low and there were almost no trolls. Alas those days are long gone and the popularity of the site means they are never coming back. I’m really happy for florio and his team for the success they’ve had, but I miss the old PFT.

  46. Keltic- the same thing has happened on other boards I frequent or used to frequent. Every conversation breaks down into personal attacks and arguments. No fun.

    I feel for Talib- great talent and perfect for your team but…you’re right, 2 years in a row he’s missed the biggest game of the season and they have stumbled. You just can’t show him the money, good as he is.

    Also, I feel for him b/c, as we know, the man has had off the field problems in the past and it looks like he could flourish in the NE system as had others- Dillon, Moss, etc. but the injury bug could do him in.

  47. dlk47823 says:
    Mar 3, 2014 4:43 PM
    dstroi-
    last time I checked, Pats were in Miami’s division.
    Were you talking WNBA?
    *******************************************
    Please go back and read what I wrote because clearly you misinterpreted the whole picture. That part of my comment was targeted at Logicalvoice who is a Washington Redskins fan. Last time I checked, they were not in the AFC. You and the other 8 people that gave you the thumbs up, please try to keep up. Have a good day.

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