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Spielman hints Vikings may draft a second-day quarterback

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The Vikings may be planning to draft a quarterback, but not Teddy Bridgewater, Blake Bortles or Johnny Manziel with the eighth overall pick.

Vikings General Manager Rick Spielman suggested that his team might be more interested in addressing another position in the first round of the draft, and taking a quarterback on the second day of the draft.

“I think you can find quarterbacks in the second round and the third round, as well,” Spielman told the Star Tribune. “We’ve started that process on the evaluation part. I think we’re scheduled to go out there and see a lot of these quarterbacks through the spring and get to know them a little bit better. The one thing that I want to make sure we don’t do is box ourselves into having to take a quarterback if there’s another player that’s very significant at another position.”

With Matt Cassel signed for another two years, the Vikings may see Cassel as a player who can start this year while helping to groom a young quarterback who would be available on the second day of the draft, such as Jimmy Garoppolo of Eastern Illinois or AJ McCarron of Alabama. Cassel may not be a long-term answer, but he may be a stopgap that gives the Vikings an opportunity to be patient for a quarterback to develop, rather than thinking they need a rookie to start right away.

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  1. fitzmagic1212 says: Mar 9, 2014 2:45 PM

    smokescreens everywhere.

  2. thestrategyexpert says: Mar 9, 2014 2:47 PM

    I see QBs to like in every round from 1-7 in this draft. You can get a good value if you can forego using a 1st on one. Tough choices for every team to make and it will be an exciting draft!

  3. glennsyank13 says: Mar 9, 2014 2:48 PM

    I think you misunderstood his quote. He meant he will take a second or third day quarterback on the first day. Just like he did with Ponder.

  4. sportsbastard says: Mar 9, 2014 2:48 PM

    Rick should know what 2nd day QB’s look like, he drafted one on the first round a couple years back.

  5. shaggytoodle says: Mar 9, 2014 2:49 PM

    I remember the last time the Vikings drafted a “second day” QB.

    They just happened to use the 12th overall pick on him.

  6. seatownballers says: Mar 9, 2014 2:49 PM

    Lol

    Vikings fans need to realize that their defense is that bad. But this is a smokescreen. Spielman will trade away all of his second day picks to jump back into the first round. Linebacker then a defensive end.
    Best of luck with ponder and Cassel

  7. hutch119 says: Mar 9, 2014 2:51 PM

    I bet Spielman finds himself unemployed sooner rather then later.

  8. duluthvikesfan says: Mar 9, 2014 2:52 PM

    I like how he’s thinking. I would rather see them get Garoppolo or Carr in the second round. The three big names will be gone by the number 8 pick. They would have to trade up for one of the big three and Bortles is the only one I would even consider doing that for.

  9. meatcarroll says: Mar 9, 2014 2:52 PM

    You think Spielman would have been fired by now after drafting Christian Ponder in the 1st round, the Vikings finishing dead last in the worst division in football, and most of all getting taken to the woodshed in the Percy Harvin deal by the reigning Super Bowl Champions.

  10. taintedsaints2009 says: Mar 9, 2014 2:52 PM

    “The one thing that I want to make sure we don’t do is box ourselves into having to take a quarterback if there’s another player that’s very significant at another position.”

    like you did when you drafted ponder? oh. why haven’t you released him? you may not know this, spielman, but he is still on the team. maybe you needed a reminder.

  11. J.Langer says: Mar 9, 2014 2:53 PM

    It really doesn’t matter, Spielman is not a trustworthy judge of QBs at all, whether it’s round one or round seven. As a Vikings fan, let’s just hope we get lucky.

  12. thepftpoet says: Mar 9, 2014 2:53 PM

    Vikings fans unite.

    As we are the chosen ones!

    We decide the fate of the NFL.

    As we obtain greatness that is above all other teams.

    Jealousy awaits us, as it should.

    Our franchise will dominate the NFL for the next five decades.

    The Vikings Dynasty Begins….

    Now.

  13. icebowler says: Mar 9, 2014 2:54 PM

    He knows that if he “Ponders” the 1st round again he’ll be run out of town on a rail after being tarred and feathered.

  14. truvikingfan says: Mar 9, 2014 2:54 PM

    “No intent” equals “for all that is holy……we will take a QB at 8 if it kills me!”

  15. ninefingers9 says: Mar 9, 2014 2:56 PM

    History has shown…not to trust a word that comes out of Spielman’s mouth!

  16. filthymcnasty1 says: Mar 9, 2014 2:56 PM

    Spieldope has a rich history of obtaining terrible QB’s that includes him being fired for incompetence in Miami. And Spieldope has given birth to last place teams in 3 of the past 4 years.

    But I’d give him a little more rope.

  17. mantastic54 says: Mar 9, 2014 2:57 PM

    It worked for Seattle but for every Russell Wilson, there are 50 Chad Hennes and Brian Brohms

  18. admiralgeneralaladeen says: Mar 9, 2014 2:58 PM

    He could take one in the second or third round. It doesn’t mean he will if a guy like Bridgewater is there.

  19. Norseman says: Mar 9, 2014 2:59 PM

    Mettenberger could be just as good as any of the top 4 QBs, and would be available for the Vikings 2nd round pick.

  20. billbrasky72 says: Mar 9, 2014 3:00 PM

    It should have been pretty obvious at this point already that they won’t be drafting a 1st round QB. If they are paying Cassel starter money, he is going to start. They will draft a mid round QB for Norv to develop.

  21. prideof10000lakes says: Mar 9, 2014 3:03 PM

    We need to draft two qbs. Preferably none named Johnny.

  22. whatjusthapped says: Mar 9, 2014 3:05 PM

    The funny part is that Spieladope couldn’t recognize a QB if his job depended on it. Fortunately for him, it doesn’t as evidenced by taking Ponder and then firing Frazier when it was much his fault for their last place finishes as it was the coaching staff.

    The reason he was fired from his previous GM position for poor QB choices (A.J. Feeley & Jay Fiedler) and nothing has changed since he came to Minnesota.

    I don’t know who or in what round the Vikings will take a QB, the only thing I know for sure is that whoever it is will be a bust and a continuation of Spielman’s legacy.

  23. filthymcnasty1 says: Mar 9, 2014 3:05 PM

    Remember, this is the same guy that said he’s on a quest to find the next Jay Fiedler or Jason Campbell. Rick Spielman is so incompetent that he’s perfect for the Vikings!

  24. ✦ Pittsburgh is the City of Champions ✦ says: Mar 9, 2014 3:07 PM

    I smell smoke.

  25. thegreatgabbert says: Mar 9, 2014 3:09 PM

    Noticing other teams talking about waiting to the second round to draft a QB, some teams began to think, “Oh heck, why don’t we wait until the third or fourth round, there will still be some good ones….”.

  26. coltzfan166 says: Mar 9, 2014 3:12 PM

    But wait, is he gonna draft that guy in the 1st round again?

  27. filthymcnasty1 says: Mar 9, 2014 3:13 PM

    Viking caliber QB’s can usually be found in the later rounds. Or flipping burgers.

  28. tcstunner says: Mar 9, 2014 3:17 PM

    Rick Speilman is so bad that he’s drafted: Greenway, Smith, Rudolph, Gerhart, Floyd, Rhodes, Patterson, Walsh, etc. Has he missed on some players? Yes obviously, because EVERY GM has, BUT he hits more than he misses and that’s really all you can ask for out of a GM. Rick admitted he reached on Ponder and has said he’s going to use Norv’s experience to help him draft a QB this year. A GM that hits more than he misses and admits when he screwed up. Yep, horrible GM.

  29. haraldsigurdson says: Mar 9, 2014 3:22 PM

    I actually think Spielman’s pretty smart. No GM hits on every player. Nobody knew Aaron Rodgers would turn out to be the player he is when he was drafted, otherwise he would have been the number one player picked instead of the guy from Utah. Ted Thompson took a chance, knew the guy didn’t have to step in and start right away, and lucked out. If Ponder would have turned out well, everyone would be saying what a genius Spielman is. You can’t blame the guy for trying to pick players that he hopes will make the team better.

  30. shaggytoodle says: Mar 9, 2014 3:22 PM

    Spielman has had 5 1st round picks in the last 2 seasons. It gets their fans excited and that’s understandable.

    What happens next though is, the team underperforms, then someone needs to lose their job. They look at the coach and GM, but the GM says. Its the coaches fault. Look at all the 1st round talent I give the guy.

    Mostly he is average when it comes to drafting. So he has no problems trading a lot of picks. That way it covers his glaring weakness, of being able to put together a well-rounded team. Losing 40 games the last 4 years is evidence of that.

  31. haraldsigurdson says: Mar 9, 2014 3:24 PM

    Norseman: I also think Mettenberger would be a great pick for the Vikings. Watch the LSU-Georgia game and see all the great pro-style reads and throws that Mettenberger makes. I think the system he ran with Cam Cameron is very very similar to what Norv Turner does, also.

  32. filthymcnasty1 says: Mar 9, 2014 3:26 PM

    I’m really going to miss that noodle armed Ponder chick, and all the apologist Viking fans proclaiming him to be the next Bert Favre.

  33. brenenostler says: Mar 9, 2014 3:27 PM

    Christian Ponder was also a 2nd day QB

  34. backdapack4evr says: Mar 9, 2014 3:32 PM

    Speilman is the best GM the rest of the NFC has!!
    Lol

  35. afcdomination says: Mar 9, 2014 3:34 PM

    but why? yesterday Viking fans were talking about how solid they were at QB with 5 million dollar Matt Cassel at the helm. 2010 pro bowl remember?

    I actually laughed writing that.

  36. filthymcnasty1 says: Mar 9, 2014 3:35 PM

    Is there anything more entertaining to rival fans than Spielman pondering his next QB pick? How is he going to screw it up this time?

    I can’t wait.

  37. DonRSD says: Mar 9, 2014 3:37 PM

    How does that GM have a job!!??

  38. riverhorsey says: Mar 9, 2014 3:41 PM

    Not buying it. Minn will pick a QB at no. 8.

  39. haraldsigurdson says: Mar 9, 2014 3:42 PM

    Packer fans: 26-26 tie late in the season AT LAMBEAU FIELD. That sort of thing used to be unheard of when Ron Wolf ran the show. Packers aren’t that much better than the “cesspool-dwelling” Vikings. “Pride cometh before the fall…”

  40. 4allintensivepurposes says: Mar 9, 2014 3:48 PM

    As a fan of repetitive jokes, he should draft another second round QB in the first round. Like he did with Ponder. Remember that? Ha.

  41. filthymcnasty1 says: Mar 9, 2014 3:49 PM

    In MN, price cometh before, during and after the fall. I’m not sure that hapless and tasteless team will ever get up.

  42. stellarperformance says: Mar 9, 2014 4:02 PM

    The 26-26 tie was a comeback from a sixteen point deficit that (eventually) clinched the division for the Packers, due to tie-breakers with the Bears. And considering they did it with a fourth-string “street” walk-on in Rodgers’ absence would make Ron Wolf proud. It had to be the worst “loss” of the season for the Vikings…..amongst many others of course.

  43. ninefingers9 says: Mar 9, 2014 4:16 PM

    I still dont know who is the bigger idiot…Goodell or Spielman!

  44. prideof10000lakes says: Mar 9, 2014 4:20 PM

    At least we have the most beautiful state in nation, as well as the woman.

  45. shaggytoodle says: Mar 9, 2014 4:20 PM

    Yes the Packers tied Minnesota, at GB, but the Packers weren’t the team with a 16 point lead and the best RB in the game.

    The Packers were not only missing their starting QB but a back up as well, along with starting WRs TEs, Clay Matthews was playing injured if he even played that game.

    As a Viking fan is that worth being proud of?

  46. theytukrjobs says: Mar 9, 2014 4:21 PM

    Translation:

    If Bortles, Bridgewater, and Manziel are all selected in front of us, we won’t just take Carr just because.

  47. purplehaze28 says: Mar 9, 2014 4:24 PM

    If you don’t have #1 or #2 pick, then it doesn’t pay to waste your first on a QB. In Spielman we trust!

  48. deltaoracle says: Mar 9, 2014 4:26 PM

    I don’t trust anyone who looks so much like Eric Cantor.

  49. shaggytoodle says: Mar 9, 2014 4:30 PM

    If Spielman has done such a wonderful job drafting, Why has Peterson been the ONLY consistent offensive weapon for least 4 seasons?

    That’s a pretty clear red flag Vikings fans, you guys need a new GM.

  50. deflateddome says: Mar 9, 2014 4:36 PM

    Datone Jones…22 snaps…Sherrod, Perry, Neal, Burnett, The Packers should just abandon the draft and use UDFAs…It would be a lot cheaper and stock can go down to 200.00

    2013..Most profitable year ever-Mike Murphy..

  51. thetooloftools says: Mar 9, 2014 4:41 PM

    He is the Vikings version of Matt Millen.

  52. packerbackernj says: Mar 9, 2014 4:49 PM

    If you read old 2006 articles about how Spielman was a failure in Miami, it is oddly similar to whats happening in minny.

  53. dragonfly99 says: Mar 9, 2014 4:54 PM

    You can’t believe anything Spielman says. We all know he desperately needs a quarterback, unless he is content sticking with Ponder and Cassell for the next two years. No wonder AP is looking for a new team.

  54. icedvike5000 says: Mar 9, 2014 5:13 PM

    As usual, the Packer fans come out in force to rip on the Vikings. Did the Packers win the Superbowl this year? I don’t think so, they backed into the playoffs in another play in game against the bears because they managed to somehow beat the teams they needed to to cause a tie with the Bears. I don’t get giddy when the Vikings “back” in either. The Vikings will eventually get the right pieces in place to make a legitimate Superbowl run, and Packer fans will still rip on Viking fans. I really don’t care. We are getting a new stadium, a new coaching staff and a new start. That’s all i can ask for is a little hope with a little football reality. Viking fans are smart football fans, and we understand what it takes to be winners, our team has been to Superbowls, NFC championships and playoffs numerous times, there will come a day when we are sitting on the podium with the lombardi trophy. it’s just a matter of time.

  55. golforepar says: Mar 9, 2014 5:14 PM

    Only in Minnesota you can draft that poorly and keep your job!

  56. cantonbound13 says: Mar 9, 2014 5:25 PM

    Spielman thought Jay Fiedler & AJ Feeley were quality NFL starting QBs. He’s a joke!

  57. haraldsigurdson says: Mar 9, 2014 5:25 PM

    Green Bay is not head and shoulders above the rest of the North division. They have the best QB, but beyond that the team is very mediocre, as indicated by their slide last season without Rodgers.

  58. mackstrong2013 says: Mar 9, 2014 5:32 PM

    Packer fans and the like can come in and circle jerk each other all they like, but the reality is if our D wasnt so atrocious, mostly in the last 3 minutes, and Cas had started all year, we win the division. The focus seems to be D, as it should. We play in a terrible division, with the Green Bay Aaron Rodgers’ being the only actual high level team, Cas can get it done for a year to close the gap.

  59. stellarperformance says: Mar 9, 2014 5:42 PM

    Their “slide” without Rodgers? They won the North Division without Rodgers……and Matthews. Take away your best O player and your best D player. NOW you’re better than Green Bay? What kind if logic is that? Green Bay owns the Vikings…….with or without Rodgers…..and Matthews.

  60. myfootballknowledgeisgreaterthanyours says: Mar 9, 2014 5:43 PM

    No matter what Ponder needs to go now. We don’t even know what QB they will select but no matter who it is deserves the back up spot over Ponder. We Already have one crappy QB on the team with Cassel we don’t need a repeat of 2013. Rick should be fired just for the fact he’s responsible for drafting Ponder but theirs so many other reasons Zygi should fire him. How did Zygi get so rich he’s obviously not that intelligent if he still hasn’t fired Rick yet.

  61. jjackwagon says: Mar 9, 2014 6:17 PM

    Vikings should spend all seven picks drafting QBs. Maybe they can find one good one.

  62. ramosj7215 says: Mar 9, 2014 6:20 PM

    I agree, 2nd day QB ok.. We need defence!!!

  63. rajbais says: Mar 9, 2014 6:58 PM

    He needs to be careful on that.

    He’s not been good with QBs.

    Matt Cassel
    Donovan McNabb
    Christian Ponder
    Sage Rosenfels

    Not that impressive.

    Joe Webb is okay because he at least reached his potential according to his draft status.

  64. hazelmn says: Mar 9, 2014 7:10 PM

    You are going to have great, all-pro LBs and DEs staring you in the face at pick #8. Why would you reach on a QB who you are not sold on? I think what Rick is not telling us, though, is that one of those Big 3 QBs is at the top of his board, and if he falls to #8 he will take him in a heartbeat.

  65. kev86 says: Mar 9, 2014 7:31 PM

    Ponder pick part II. Whose it going to be Minny? More would bet BUST.

  66. fwippel says: Mar 9, 2014 7:47 PM

    I would have thought this was painfully obvious considering the contract they just gave Cassel.

    I am hoping they will select Garoppolo, Mettenberger, Murray or Shaw to be their QB of the future.

  67. whatjusthapped says: Mar 9, 2014 8:04 PM

    tcstunner says:

    BUT he hits more than he misses and that’s really all you can ask for out of a GM.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++
    Yet his draft picks were so impactful that the Vikings finished in last place in two out of the last 3 years.

    I am all for the Vikings signing Spielman to a 10 year contract extension. The Packers already consistently sweep the Vikings, what’s another 10 years of guaranteed wins?

  68. shaggytoodle says: Mar 9, 2014 8:07 PM

    The Vikings need defense? They have used 3 1st round picks defense the last two years.

    When you invest 3 first round picks on the defense in 2 off seasons. There should be some improvement on it.

  69. jcbadger34 says: Mar 9, 2014 8:27 PM

    tcstunner says: Mar 9, 2014 3:17 PM

    Rick Speilman is so bad that he’s drafted: Greenway, Smith, Rudolph, Gerhart, Floyd, Rhodes, Patterson, Walsh, etc. Has he missed on some players? Yes obviously, because EVERY GM has, BUT he hits more than he misses and that’s really all you can ask for out of a GM.
    ————–

    Rick’s been with the Vikings for over seven years. You listed 8 players. Of those 8, all but kicker Blair Walsh were first round or early-second round picks. Two of them certainly do not qualify as “hits” yet based on their small body of work (Floyd and Rhodes), and Toby Gerhart can hardly be called a “hit” when he’s going to wind up with another team, after barely doing anything with the Vikings.

    So you listed 5 legitimate “hits” out of his 7+ years with the Vikings. I’ll throw in the one you missed with Adrian Peterson. So make it 6 hits in 7 years. How many draft picks has he had in those 7 years? More than 40, certainly. 6 out of 40+…..I don’t think that qualifies as “more hits than misses.”

  70. tcstunner says: Mar 9, 2014 8:41 PM

    Rick has only been the GM for the last few years.

  71. tcstunner says: Mar 9, 2014 8:45 PM

    Here’s some more players he’s drafted: Khalil, Griffen Loadholt, Robinson, Harvin, etc. Should I keep going?

  72. jcbadger34 says: Mar 9, 2014 9:24 PM

    You don’t get to use the fact that Spielman wasn’t GM as an excuse for all the bad picks, when you give him the credit for the good picks from that time.
    ———
    Harvin – Isn’t on the team.
    Loadholt – Hardly a “hit,” unless you’re just talking about his cap hit.
    Griffen – Big contract, but he’s hardly earned it yet.
    Khalil – Looked great as a rookie, looked pretty awful last year.
    Robison – Very good pick, credit where credit is due. Though we’ll have to see how he (and Griffen) do when they don’t have Jared Allen taking all the attention.

    Now, let’s go through some of the other high (1st-3rd) draft picks during Rick’s stay.

    Ced Griffin (2nd) – Had a couple of good years, then injured and gone.
    Tarvaris Jackson (2nd) – Ha.
    Ryan Cook (2nd) – Nope.
    Sidney Rice (2nd)- one good year with Favre, then gone.
    Marcus McCauley (3rd) – Who?
    Tyrell Johnson (2nd)- Huh?
    Asher Allen (3rd) – Ha.
    Chris Cook (2nd) – Hahaha.
    And of course….. Christian Ponder. First round pick.
    ——–
    We could go back and forth on this all day, and you could point out misses for every GM. Bottom line, the results on the field speak for themselves. One playoff win, which only came when they sold their souls for one good year with Brett Favre. Last place in the division for three of the last four seasons. The simple fact is, he’s an average-at-best drafter who is completely incapable of finding decent QBs, dating back over 10 years.

  73. jcbadger34 says: Mar 9, 2014 10:02 PM

    And they always say, the measure of a good GM isn’t what he does in the first round or two. You’re expected to have a good success rate there (unless you’re Al Davis), because those are the players that everyone EXPECTS to do well. It’s how you do with the late round picks and UDFAs that set the good drafters apart.

    Ted Thompson isn’t considered by most (non-Vikings fans) to be a good GM because he’s great at picking in the first round. In fact, he’s average at best in the first. He’s got some great picks like Rodgers and Matthews, some good ones like Raji, Hawk, and Bulaga……. and plenty of questionable/bad/incompletes like Justin Harrell and Derek Sherrod. It’s what he does at the end of the draft, and the production he gets out of undrafted players that sets him apart.

    It’s Tramon Williams (undrafted, discarded by the Texans in the preseason), Sam Shields (undrafted), Jarrett Boykin (undrafted), Brad Jones (7th round), James Starks (late 6th round), Desmond Bishop (6th round), Josh Sitton (late 4th round).

    Looking at Spielman and the Vikes, I hardly see any good, major contributors coming after the fourth round, other than Blair Walsh (but a 6th round pick for a kicker is really more like a 3rd or 4th rounder for a position player), and John Sullivan.

  74. brucecheckin says: Mar 9, 2014 10:06 PM

    One thing to keep in mind is that he was not always the sole decider on who to draft; when Chilly was coach they had the triangle of doom drafting. He has only been in charge for two years. I agree he whiffed hard on Ponder. Harrison Smith was a hit. Kyle Rudolph ditto. Cordarrelle Patterson and Xavier Rhodes look good so far. Not sure about Floyd so far but he was rated as a top 10 by a lot of “experts” and was drafted in the late round so not sure I can blame him and pundits have said it takes a year to two to exceed at DT (eg Dontari Poe).
    If there is anything I would fault him for is not getting regular producers out of his later rounds. When you look at the successful franchises the get quality players rounds 3-7. That said it may just be that they have had sucky coaching since Stone Face walked the sidelines, and hopefully that will change this year.
    I like the QB from LSU in round 2 and think that the team that gets Aaron Murray in round 6 will at least get a good backup.

  75. zayzillionz says: Mar 9, 2014 11:42 PM

    People relly meed to stop acting as if every other GM makes.better choices than Spielman… Every pick is not a gem get it thru ur thick heads sometimes they just don’t work out… But if we do draft a qb dsy 2, id prefer Tahj Boyd or Jimmy Garropolo… Day 1 i want Justin Gilbert if we dont sign Verner or Khalil Mack … But the qb decision doesnt just sit on Speilman Norv Turner will ne involved so im comfortable with where we are right now

  76. ejmat2 says: Mar 10, 2014 11:25 AM

    taintedsaints2009 says:
    Mar 9, 2014 2:52 PM
    “The one thing that I want to make sure we don’t do is box ourselves into having to take a quarterback if there’s another player that’s very significant at another position.”

    like you did when you drafted ponder? oh. why haven’t you released him? you may not know this, spielman, but he is still on the team. maybe you needed a reminder.
    —————————————-
    Why release him at this point? He’s making a low salary and isn’t a bad backup (whether it’s 2nd or 3rd string). I’m pretty sure they have to pay him no matter what although I maybe wrong there. Either way, may as well keep him. He knows the system and as long as he’s not a starter all year, who cares. If he has to come in for an injured Cassell, so what? I don’t think Ponder is a good QB but they can do worse as a backup.

  77. ejmat2 says: Mar 10, 2014 11:33 AM

    shaggytoodle says:
    Mar 9, 2014 4:20 PM
    Yes the Packers tied Minnesota, at GB, but the Packers weren’t the team with a 16 point lead and the best RB in the game.

    The Packers were not only missing their starting QB but a back up as well, along with starting WRs TEs, Clay Matthews was playing injured if he even played that game.

    As a Viking fan is that worth being proud of?
    ———————————–
    Yes considering most of the Vikings defense was on IR as well. If you point out one team’s injuries point out the others as well. The fact is the Packers are not any better than the Vikings without Aaron Rodgers. With Rodgers that team is much better. It’s the ONLY difference between the Vikings and Packers.

  78. shaggytoodle says: Mar 10, 2014 3:40 PM

    Go look at the win probability, and when you see how lopsided those numbers are, maybe common sense will come over you and you will realize. That with most of your game changers healthy.

    The fact that you couldn’t beat the Packers with a 16 point league in the 4th, and the best RB in the league. Its pretty sad you guys feel that’s an accomplishment.

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