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Patriots propose making extra points harder


NFL extra points are currently the equivalent of a 20-yard field goal, which is an easy chip shot for any professional kicker. If the Patriots get their way, next year extra points will become the equivalent of a 43-yard field goal.

Among the rule proposals unveiled today by the Competition Committee is a suggestion by the Patriots to move the spot of extra point kicks back from the 2-yard line to the 25-yard line.

That would make field goals significantly harder. Although NFL kickers would likely make 43-yard extra points at least 90 percent of the time, that’s still a significant difference from the 99.6 percent of the time that extra points were made last season. It would also make two-point conversion attempts more tempting because under the proposal, the spot for two-point conversions would still be the 2-yard line.

Patriots coach Bill Belichick has said several times that he believes extra points have become so easy that they’re all but meaningless, so it’s not surprising that it was the Patriots who proposed this new rule.

But it will be surprising if the Patriots can convince 23 other NFL teams to join them, which is what they would need to do to generate the three-fourths majority needed for a rule change to pass. NFL owners tend to be conservative about changing the game, and moving the extra point back would be a significant change. It’s more likely that this preseason, extra points will be moved back on a trial basis. Then, if the feedback from fans is positive, extra points may be moved back next year.

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58 Responses to “Patriots propose making extra points harder”
  1. bayareacolt says: Mar 19, 2014 3:49 PM

    Yeah Belichick has always said he hates the extra point. Not surprised.

  2. gohomeweeden says: Mar 19, 2014 3:50 PM

    43 yard extra point is foolish. I for one would be furious if my team lost a game because of an extra point.

  3. thepftpoet says: Mar 19, 2014 3:50 PM

    After hearing the latest Patriots cheating scandal, nothing this organization says should be taken into consideration.


  4. kneelbeforesod says: Mar 19, 2014 3:51 PM

    Remove the O-line for the play.

  5. ialwayswantedtobeabanker says: Mar 19, 2014 3:53 PM

    Not all that long ago, the NBA had proponents of backing out the 3 point line to make 3 balls harder. That seemed to make sense to most of us.

    But the NBA also has people lobbying for an 11′ high rim — claiming the players growth, athleticism and leaping ability has rendered the 10′ high rim an absurdity. It seems like we should keep the 10′ high rim.

    The question is, is making extra points harder a worthy change or not. My vote is to just leave XPs as they are. It’s all the same to everyone — and it doesn’t have a warping effect upon historical statistics.

  6. mlmeier says: Mar 19, 2014 3:53 PM

    I don’t get the appeal. Kickers are still over 80% accurate from 40-45 yards out (86%, I believe). That’s not really enough to add that much tension to the extra point, and yet enough to really piss people off when they lose a game because of it. I hate to say it, but I’d rather they just eliminate it altogether with the plan Goodell proposed.

  7. chawk12thman says: Mar 19, 2014 3:53 PM

    Yes; lets try it in pre season and see what happens.

  8. blkmanwtan says: Mar 19, 2014 3:54 PM

    What’s the purpose of making the extra point harder? Instead of making the extra point harder, make it difficult for the opposing team to score a touchdown.

  9. jolink653 says: Mar 19, 2014 3:54 PM

    I like the idea. Rather than having the extra points be automatic, introduce a little more risk to kicking it. I’m sure fans would love to see a team decide to go for two instead because of the wind or the weather conditions.

  10. dickshotdogs says: Mar 19, 2014 3:54 PM

    I completely support this idea. To my fellow Patriot fans, Don’t be at all upset with the negative and hateful comments that are sure to follow on this thread. After all, it’s the sincerest form of flattery.

  11. justsomerandomguy24 says: Mar 19, 2014 3:57 PM

    Just make 2 point conversions mandatory. It would be so much more interesting than an extra point.

  12. justbust says: Mar 19, 2014 3:58 PM

    U have to keep it the same, two point conversions are heart pounding when game is on the line

  13. dbara43 says: Mar 19, 2014 3:58 PM

    How about we just move it back to the 10?

  14. jmonty1102 says: Mar 19, 2014 3:59 PM

    Hope gronk isn’t involved with these

  15. sinisterg says: Mar 19, 2014 4:00 PM

    Dumb idea

  16. chinahand11 says: Mar 19, 2014 4:01 PM

    All 43-yard field goals are not created equal. Compare kicking in a snowstorm at Mile High to kicking in a domed stadium. Not fair.

  17. dolphincritic says: Mar 19, 2014 4:02 PM

    I think you should be able to opt and kick from the 43 but get 3 points.

  18. tombradyallday says: Mar 19, 2014 4:04 PM

    the “receiver”

  19. toad8572 says: Mar 19, 2014 4:04 PM

    Automatically award 7 points for the touchdown and allow teams to run or pass for an additional point. If they make it they have 8; if they lose deduct a point resulting in 6.

    That adds strategy without making the game longer.

  20. nfl4dummies says: Mar 19, 2014 4:06 PM

    Move the XP to the 22 (40yd try). If its missed the defending team has a choice to take the ball at the 40 or receive a kickoff. This makes the XP less automatic and will eliminate some kickoffs, which the NFL is trying to make obsolete anyway. Possibly increase 2pt conversion attempts.

  21. nj22 says: Mar 19, 2014 4:07 PM

    How can anyone think this is a good idea? Can you imagine a 2 minute 98 yard Td drive only to lose on a missed PAT because it is a windy day. Give me a break.

  22. sinisterg says: Mar 19, 2014 4:07 PM

    What is everyone talking about , LEAVE THE GAME ALONE ! it doesn’t need to be changed.
    My guess is all those who are in favor of the change are those who play Fantasy Football and aren’t even true football fans.

  23. vusnu says: Mar 19, 2014 4:08 PM

    Give a team 2 points for a drop kick from 15 yards back instead of a straight kick. That should make the conversion a lot more interesting.

  24. 4thqtrsaint says: Mar 19, 2014 4:08 PM

    I’d rather have it backed up than eliminated.

  25. kylexitron says: Mar 19, 2014 4:08 PM

    think of how furious you’ll be the first time your team loses a close game with a rival because of a missed extra point.


    Yes he should, but do you REALLY want to leave a game hanging on something that for decades has been automatic? In the long run, maybe it will be a good change. but in the short term the fan fury for teams losing based on a game mechanic that has been long understood as automatic is going to be understandable.

    As fans we love the drama of close games. Think of how deflating and awful it will be if the drama of close games is completely ruined because of a windy day or a fluke kick.

  26. ez4u2sa says: Mar 19, 2014 4:08 PM

    I hate seeing the rules of the game changed every year. However, this time something should be done. Belichick is right. The PAT has been reduced to a meaningless exercise. There’s an opportunity to do something here that would add to the excitement of the game.

  27. blkandgld4eva says: Mar 19, 2014 4:08 PM

    So you’re now one false start away from a 48 yd extra point -c’mon, man…

  28. orivar says: Mar 19, 2014 4:13 PM

    Unless you’re going to implement more of it’s Rugby roots, leave the game alone. This doesn’t need to be changed and there is still an off chance that the kicker can miss, which DOES happen, and when it does it makes things interesting.

    Maybe extra points would be blocked more if the game didn’t have these insane ‘protection’ rules that result in a 15 yard penalty for just barely touching them.

  29. usation says: Mar 19, 2014 4:14 PM

    Interesting that the NFL has moved up the kickoff, making it, for the most part, a meaningless play, but at the same time they want to push back the extra point to give it more value.

    A kickoff return can be exciting, not so sure about a longer extra pt kick.

  30. bigdawg720 says: Mar 19, 2014 4:14 PM

    It would be a 42 yard kick not 43 in the NFL you add 17 yards to where the ball is placed to get the distance of your kick.

    10 yards for endzone and 7 yards back for holder.

  31. 8to80texansblog says: Mar 19, 2014 4:16 PM

    Is it even possible that kickers can become even more unpopular….

    There will be a lot of kicker scapegoats… that’s for sure.

  32. gregoryp3234 says: Mar 19, 2014 4:17 PM

    This may be the most dumb idea I have ever heard. I wonder if the league would even consider it if the rule was suggested by the another team. oh, but since its the patriots, oh, it must be a good idea. what a joke. remember patriots fans, you are only good every year because the NFL says so. The league is fixed. Goodell and Kraft are best friends. Kraft is head of programming at CBS. You’re team is allowed to hold all game every game. Its a joke. It will all come crashing down soon. Open your eyes people, my god. Try not believing everything you are told and maybe our lives would be a bit more “free”.

  33. darthvincent says: Mar 19, 2014 4:19 PM

    the extra point is supposed to be easy, otherwise 2 FG’s = TD

  34. castleanthrax says: Mar 19, 2014 4:21 PM

    If your complaint is weather, losing because of a missed kick, penalty backing it up further, etc.

    Uhm, same goes for field goals.

    That’s the point, to make them less automatic.

  35. cmurr1711 says: Mar 19, 2014 4:22 PM

    They can’t even fill out an injury report properly and they want to make extra points harder? #injurygate

  36. FlashPatterson says: Mar 19, 2014 4:27 PM

    Don’t fix it if it ain’t broke.

  37. rmc1995 says: Mar 19, 2014 4:27 PM

    Keep it where it is, but a player on the field at the time of the TD must attempt the PAT.

  38. rbirving says: Mar 19, 2014 4:27 PM

    don’t do anything that takes the 2 point conversion a thing of the past. Move it back to the 25 and no one will try.

    The reason it’s there was just pointed out. A touchdown is worth more than two field goals.

  39. phinagain says: Mar 19, 2014 4:29 PM

    I like some sort of change to the PAT. It’s so automatic that it is known that a team down 21-14 is down “by a touchdown” – not a TD and extra point. Either eliminate it altogether or change something. 43 yards is a long kick for one point; maybe make this worth 2 points also.

    It makes no sense to make it worth 3, which is the same as if they hadn’t even scored the TD. Or leave it at only 1 point, but only back it up to the 15 yard line.

  40. sinisterg says: Mar 19, 2014 4:35 PM

    If Roger Goddell was the Commish in Soccer they would be able to play with their hands.

    IF he was head of NBA he would eliminate the free throw, either that or he’d move it back to the half court line.

  41. summitmech says: Mar 19, 2014 4:36 PM

    This isn’t news. They started discussing this issue a month or two ago. I watched it on NFL network. And it wasn’t proposed by just the Patriots, or at least there was no mention of the Patriots being any special part of it.

    But yeah, I agree. It would add more excitement to the game for sure. Change it. Make it happen!

  42. griblets says: Mar 19, 2014 4:38 PM

    The player that scores the TD should have to kick the extra point. Now THAT would be entertaining.

  43. h0c2000 says: Mar 19, 2014 4:39 PM

    Ditch the 2 point play and make the play from the 25 worth 6 if the ball makes it to the end zone.

  44. rogcar2 says: Mar 19, 2014 4:40 PM

    What does Las Vegas think?

  45. fanofschill says: Mar 19, 2014 4:41 PM

    I think they should just try to make teams not so easily decide to kick it. Force more action with 2 point play decisions.

    Rather than move where PAT is kicked from or changing its point value why not just move where teams would get ball on a touchback? If a touchback occurs after PAT attempt (make or miss) ball goes to the 35 yard line. If team elects to go for 2pt conversion (made or failed conversion) and a touchback occurs ball goes to the 20……Or change where ball is kicked off from with same type of scenario (though prevention of injuries factored here). You elect for XP try you kickoff from further away than if you tried to go for two.

    Changes field position, increases two points play attempts and overall strategy after a TD – especially after end of half and end of game touchdowns.

  46. lucimorland says: Mar 19, 2014 4:44 PM

    Why not change the rules to make it easier to block XPs? Let defenders vault off each other’s backs. Let them “goaltend”.

    Let teams put a cheerleader on the 53-man whose job it is to get launched into the air and block the thing before it crosses.

    If you want to make it harder to make an XP, make it easier to stop the XP.

  47. donkey930 says: Mar 19, 2014 4:44 PM

    Instead of having a professional kicker kick the extra point. Make the person who scored the touchdown kick. That would prevent it from being automatic and also increase fantasy value for offensive players.

  48. corymolenaar says: Mar 19, 2014 4:45 PM

    By moving the extra point back it takes out most fake or bad snap opportunities to still get 2. Leave the line of scrimmage where it is and have extra points still worth 1. This still gives you the option to run a fake for 2 points or just line up and go for 2. Make an option to kick from the 43 worth 2 points but if you miss the opponent can have the ball there or elect to receive the kickoff.

  49. summitmech says: Mar 19, 2014 4:46 PM

    And for the record…

    This change would only be for field goals, not for a 2-point conversion. This would make 2-point conversions more popular.

    Also, I am not for changing aspects like how many points are awarded, but I do hate extra points being automatic. I think it ads to the suspense of the game for both the team that’s ahead as well as the team that’s behind. It depends on how you look at it.

    In a close game, where the extra point often seals the win when teams are tied, now neither team will know for sure that they’ve lost or won. The team on defense can have some hope they might not lose. The team on offense is no longer as assured of their victory.

    I hate knowing the result of the play before it’s over, and when over 90% of all extra points in a season are successful, it’s easy to guess what will happen currently.

  50. restorativejusticeprogram says: Mar 19, 2014 4:49 PM

    Only a player on the field when a TD is scored may kick the extra point.

    Makes it more exciting and makes kickers less important.

  51. jimjets says: Mar 19, 2014 4:51 PM

    I have a proposal for the Pats….bug off. The lot of ’em.

  52. jr507 says: Mar 19, 2014 4:57 PM

    Just eliminate the PAT – 7 points for a TD. Conversion could be 1 point up for grabs for either team scoring team or defense (if they make the stop). This way you are never taking points off the board.

    Most importantly, let real football players decide football games. It would be nice to have the roster made up of 52 athletes and a punter, rather than 51 athletes, a punter, and some guy built like a 7th grade girl.

    Kickers suck.

  53. bleedsoe9mm says: Mar 19, 2014 5:25 PM

    they should just let Bill decide the rules it would be a much better game

  54. jc327 says: Mar 19, 2014 5:29 PM

    I’m actually good with that. I like it better than anything else I’ve heard so far.

  55. rick630c1 says: Mar 19, 2014 7:17 PM

    Here’s a thought, they wish to add drama to the XP, figure out a type of field goal posts that for a field goal they remain at their present width. For an XP attempt the posts are narrowed to a specific width, say half what they normally are. This way you still have it at the same spot so faking the kick while running/passing it for 2 is still an option.

  56. bcgreg says: Mar 19, 2014 7:31 PM

    Make extra points harder? Kick them from where the TD was scored like in Rugby. So if you score right up the middle, you kick straight on. If you score at the pylon, then the xtra point is taken at that severe angle. There. The xtra point is harder.

  57. 4allintensivepurposes says: Mar 19, 2014 7:35 PM

    Leave it where it’s at. But make the kicker do that “spinning around in a circle with his forehead on the baseball bat” thing.

  58. bcgreg says: Mar 21, 2014 8:10 AM

    @ jr507

    The first 3 kickers I randomly looked up were:

    6’1″ 215 lbs
    6’1″ 222 lbs
    6’2″ 228 lbs

    Where did you go to school where 7th grade girls were this big? It’s the 2010s, my friend. The days of Matt Bahr and the Gramaticas are over. Even the next 2 kickers I looked up were both 5’9″ and 200+ lbs. The “smallest” guy I could find was Robbie Gould at 6’1″ and 180 lbs. Henery is about that too.

    And let’s not forget about Janikowski at 6’2″ and 250lbs!

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