Spikes, Talib say Patriots file false injury reports

AP

Two former Patriots say the team put false information about them on official injury reports.

Brandon Spikes and Aqib Talib have both said since leaving New England in free agency that when they were on the Patriots last year, the team gave them injury designations that weren’t accurate. Spikes ended last season on injured reserve with a knee injury, and there were reports that Patriots coach Bill Belichick actually put Spikes on IR because Spikes had shown up late to practice. Spikes seemed to confirm that in an interview on WGR in Buffalo.

“I heard they put me on IR and stuff like that. That was just a false report,” Spikes said, via ESPN.com. “That’s just how things go there. Almost like what happened with Talib and his hip.”

Talib was on injury reports last season with hip injuries, but after signing with the Broncos he said he never had a hip injury.

“The Patriots have their way of reporting stuff, but I haven’t had a hip problem since Tampa,” Talib said. “The injury I had was actually a quad injury. It was reported as a hip injury, but that’s how they do things.”

That’s not how the NFL wants teams to do things. The league office may look into the possibility that the Patriots are playing fast and loose with injury reports.

282 responses to “Spikes, Talib say Patriots file false injury reports

  1. Take away their entire draft and maybe they will learn their lesson. Seriously, this BS should not be tolerated.

  2. Really? Bill B and Company. Cheating? Unreal. These guys are best of the best!

    Look out Bobby Kraft, we’re on to you!

  3. I find that hard to believe. Name one other time…

    Ok… name two other times that the Patriots engaged in shady behavior?!?

  4. Gee, I’m shocked! I guess the saying “If your not cheating, your not trying” really is the “Patriot way” !

  5. When weren’t these two not on the injury report? Funny they never said anything while they were here.

  6. If it was not a hip, then why was he holding his hip?

    And people act like the Patriots are the only team who hide players on IR. Wait until the end of training camp and teams decide that they do not want to loose a player, they put him on IR with some phantom injury so other teams cannot snatch him up. The Patriots are just covering all grounds with a guy who was hobbling and another player who has had hip injuries for 3 straight years.

  7. Spikes said the report about him being put in IR for being late was false. Great reporting here. And does it matter whether it was a quad or hip injury? Talib was still hurt.

  8. Shocker. I’m sorry but EVERYTHING that team does is suspect. The NFL failed with spygate and just tried to go into spin doctor mode instead of addressing and fixing the problem there. By giving the Pats a slap on the wrist and claiming there was nothing to see here, they allowed the cheating to continue and become a part of that teams DNA. Bellicheck is and always has been a cheater with zero character or respectability. Everything he has done in his career is questionable.

  9. I remember reading in the past where this was alleged but I do not remember any sort of investigation. I doubt anything can really be proven unless either of these fellow went to a doctor shortly afterward and had an independent exam. I guess we shall see.

  10. Two players who believed there marketability was (and could be in the future) hurt by injuries, especially chronic injuries, are talking trash. Did you watch Talib last year. His hip was hurting. He wasn’t grabbing his quad when he was walking the sidelines in pain. I seem to recall him not playing quite a few games. Both guys admit they had injuries but Spikes claims his were things he could play through. The Patriots obviously believed his play was impacted and sitting him made sense.

  11. BB may be a very good coach, but he is unethical to the core. From his marriage to the way he coaches he is entirely void of morals.
    Pats fans can argue til they are blue in the face about spygate but one only needs to look at the relationship between the NFL front office and Robert Kraft. They are tight knit and if “all teams were spying as Pats fans suggest” then why were their tapes the only ones that were destroyed. You can argue against that all you want but your argument is biased at best.
    In any case, I cannot wait for BB to retire, partially cause I miss the Bills kicking their a**es year after year but also because the level of fairness, morals and ethics he displays are embarrassing to the very definition of competition.

    Football is and will be better with out him and to be honest, without Kraft too.

  12. If it wasn’t for cheating, this team would be known as the biggest choke job over the past 10 years. Always contenders bit can never “win the big one”.

    Lucky for them they banked 3 SBs while cheating and all the pressure has been off.

  13. Talib should be kissing Belichick’s posterior for reviving his career and helping him get a big pay day.

  14. It’s about time for the NFL to SLAM the iron first on the door of the Patriots. Is there a more dishonest and disingenuous team in the league?

    Is it any wonder that Belicheat wins 3 superbowsl, THEN get’s slammed for cheating, and never wins another one? Coincidence???

    Everyone lauds this franchise as “The Patriot Way”, such a stable and well-run franchise. They are cheaters and completely dishonest, and they’ve never met a rule they weren’t willing to break.

  15. If Talib wasn’t hurt, why wasn’t he playing? So he had a quad, not a hip injury. He admitted he was unable to play. Oh the humanity. Spikes shows up late, gets disciplined and then throws a fit. Why not get to work on time? Player A rips his old team on his way out the door. This is news? Have fun winning 5 games in Buffalo, Spikes.

  16. Actually Brandon did admit to bring “banged up”, and anybody that watched his play in the playoffs could see he was nowhere near his usual self. He was placed on IR to free up a roster spot. As for talib, when he went down the second time he was clearly grabbing his hip on the sideline.

  17. Who cares, this is just another thread to get the haters to scream and cry. If Spikes didn’t have a hurt knee then why did he leave the last game he played in holding his knee? If Talib didn’t have a bad hip why did he leave the Saints game holding his hip?

  18. For the record, the quadriceps muscle originates at the front of the hip. So you could really classify a quad injury as a “hip” and/or “thigh” injury. Not taking my anatomy lessons from Talib in thus one.

  19. Right, Spikes… all you needed was “rest and rehab”. What was the rehab for? Your knee maybe?

    If not the knee than why don’t you finish your story to ESPN and tell them what exactly it was that kept you off the field, limping around on the sideline, and prevented you from covering effectively on pass plays.

    You’re just pissed at BB for expecting you to show up for meetings on time.

  20. And let the Patriot envy fly…Look at the Patriot haters flock like cackling chickens… BB and the patriots were mean to my team.
    Come on get over it.
    As far as injury reports in the NFL…PLEASE!!!! Every team changes diagnoses week to week. Lets be honest, the only reason the NFL has mandatory reporting on injuries is for the “family friends” in Vegas to properly set the line.
    Get over it.

  21. Please try to contain your false shock that B & Co. filed false injury reports. This is done on practically every team. Look no further than the designated “moral compass” of the NFL, when every season the Dungy-led Colts had most of the team on the injury report………sometimes right out of training camp.

  22. Don’t believe the NFL will launch an investigation into the way Patriots handle injuries, based on the ramblings of those two idiots.

  23. The same Talib that couldn’t go in the AFC championship 2 years straight. First time pulling up grabbing his hammy. Second time getting hit by welker. Then spikes, last memory being taunted as he was limping off the field. Sour grapes.

  24. And Talib? So, it was a quad injury that made you miss key games the last two years.

    Whether it was a quad or a hip, the Patriots didn’t make up the fact that you couldn’t play when the team needed you the most because of that same injury — two years in a row.

  25. Funny that Spikes says that, considering he had to be assisted off the field not putting any pressure on his knee. I’ll take Talib’s word, but not Spikes’. He’s been complaining about BB’s style since day one.

  26. Im shocked too! I didn’t know Bill had the ability to falsely have Talib come up lame in 2 AFC championship games. Have Spikes come up lame in the game he got injured. Shocked I tell ya!

    The man is a jedi master. We should all fear him.

    Can we also have the league look into why Talib pulled himself from 2 AFC championship games in row if he wasn’t actually injured? Is he scared of failing in the big games?

  27. Funny how these false injury reports only come out from these two injury prone nit wits after they sign new deals. Why no complaints about it when supposedly happened ?????
    Let’s see what happens mid season & into the Playoffs.
    Morons.

  28. Everybody does it!!!…..Jimmy Johnson said he did this all the time and he didn’t know a coach who didn’t do it!!!!……It’s no big deal, no competitive advantage can be gained!!!……If a team believed it and relied on it , well that’s THEIR fault!!!!!……much-ado about nothing, it’s just some misplaced vowels and consonants, the equivalent of filming on the sidelines 6 feet from where you are supposed to be filming because of a lack of a roof or something……

  29. I get that New England is an easy target for these sort of things, but how long will it take athletes to learn that releasing inside info of previous teams doesn’t necessarily make them look very good to teams contemplating their services. Other teams may be wondering if they’d be next on the gossip list.

  30. I’ve been saying on other posts that players are not buying into BB’s ways anymore and NE is sinking fast. The way he treats people has finally gotten around the league. He figured out after Cleveland that the only way HE can win is to cheat.

  31. Whatever happened to the investigation by the nfl regarding the patriots practising with players who are on the PUP list? The nfl swept it under the rug like they usually do when it comes to Krafty Bob and the patriots.

  32. When dirty players talk about putting “hot sauce” on another player to test their injury, is anyone really surprised when coaches flub injury reports? There quite obviously is no accountability process tied to it. We’ve all seen how BB has handled Brady over the years.

  33. This has been suspected for years. Now we have confirmation from two players. What is our Commissioner, Roger Goodell doing about it? Does he need confirmation from 8 more?
    Roger rushed to appoint Ted Wells to investigate Dolphin bullying, but will he lift a finger re Belichick?
    Does Bob Kraft’s strong support of the Commissioner buy inaction on all New England matters? Goodell should have enquired what the Patriots Security Director and Belichick knew of Aaron Hernandez’s nefarious activities before the Police got involved.
    One set of rules for the Patriots and another for the other 31 teams. We are waiting Roger…

  34. Everyone outside of a 60 mile radius of Foxboro knows the Patriots only follow the rules they choose to follow.

    They’ve been giving the league the middle finger for decades.

  35. Yup, as a coach it’s probably a great idea to pinpoint the exact injury so the opposing team can be careful not to re-injure it. This isn’t cheating, it’s protecting players.

  36. There will be no repercussions…. I’m sure Roger will say it’s really not a rule and that Bill is sorry for the miscommunication

  37. The recent 2 time Super Bowl LOSERS and very recent 2 time AFC Championship Game LOSERS
    are such frauds.
    They also seem to get a free pass every year with scheduling, etc
    Wonder how the frauds would do if they were in the NFC West?

  38. Talib’s a liar. We repeatedly saw hip grab his hip throughout the year while wincing in pain. He told Elway it was a less severe quad injury to increase his value and Elway fell for it.

    Spikes is not being honest w/ himself. At the end of the year he could barely walk, had no lateral movement whatsoever and was the worst coverage LB in the league.

  39. and if anyone thinks that the Patriots are the only team that does this sort of thing, I have a bridge in New York and sand in Nevada I want to sell you

  40. Do the Patriots bend the rules probably,but so do all the other team to some degree,but injury reports that’s nothing,god if it’s one thing i hate is when a player leaves an organization either by being cut,traded ,free agency,at some point they love to put out negative information about there former team .I say have them sign a gag order saying the are not allowed to talk about there former team for at least 2 years.

  41. Eventually someone was gonna speak up. Spikes should’ve kept quiet though, because he still has to play BB twice a year… Cut-blocks? Logan Mankins…

  42. So the Patriots would not file accurate injury reports.?I am shocked! I tell you shocked!

    Well that explains how they got to all those Super Bowls and Championship games. They lie in their injury reports.

    You guys are ridiculous.

    Let’s be clear about the motivation behind these “revelations”.

    Talib got a gigantic contract despite a history of missing games due to hip/leg/funny bone/whatever and he is really defensive about it. “I don’t have a bad hip. That’s just what Belichick writes in the reports”.

    Spikes just could not be depended upon to show up to work on time, was shown the door for this and other transgressions, and he is bitter about it.

    Maybe it would have been better if they had released Spikes, tell the world that he is a total screw up and kick him in the butt as he is walking out. That would have been better for his career.

    This is another controversy about nothing. But haters are gonna hate.

  43. You guys are great!!! Love it!!!! I am positive that the Patriots (IF TRUE WHICH I DOUBT) are the only team in the NFL to file shady injury reports.

    Every other team in football is 100% above board. NO DOUBT. Don’t even question it. Can’t be. Only the Patriots are shady.

    Jealousy will get you nowhere.

    In Bill we trust!!!! GO PATS!!!!!!!

  44. The Pats have been cheaters since Belichick has been there. If the NFLL is serious he would be suspended for a year.

  45. Were they injured? Yes. Talib says quad, Pats say hip. Spikes had a ongoing knee injury for most of the year. He was eventually put on IR, yes it was mostly discipline, but teams are entitled to put injured players on IR. OMG!!! STOP THE MADNESS!!!

    I know you guys hate the Pats, it’s probably because we stand a better chance of being in the Superbowl than your team does but this is not exactly some great conspiracy.

  46. I love the hatred of the pats. Its actually reached comical levels. Also funny how much florio seems to dislike the pats as well. Florio do your research and you will find that Spikes as a matter of fact had a knee injury and was playing through pain through his own admission after he left the pats. Could it be that bb decided to bench a lb that was already extremely slowbefore his injury but now had a knee injury???

  47. here come the patriot haters ….i guess this is a competitive advantage that helps win games…..jealous punks … no one is taking them rings cry and whine all you want …..BRING UP THE AFC EAST BUT BRADY HAS A 80% win pct vs NFC 40-11

  48. Wow, I’d say the posts on here are moronic but that would be an insult to every moron in the world. The Patriots should lose every draft pick and be banished from the NFL because 2 players who are not only drug addicts but 1 strike away from a year long suspension have to be telling the truth. I mean the fact that Talib left games holding his hip on numerous occasions and Brandon Spikes, a guy that every guy on the team despised (like everywhere he’s been) can’t walk off the field against Buffalo in the season finale but I’m sure it wasn’t his knee it was his elbow, have to be telling the truth. Stop displacing your anger for your own teams inabilities and shortcomings on the Pats and use the energy to bang your drum loud enough so maybe your own miserable team will listen. You are all just pissed because the Pats signed the best CB in the game, get over it!

  49. Right, like Tom Brady’s shoulder which has had him probable since the 2002 pre-season and ever since?

    It’s common knowledge that none of the other 31 teams would ever pull these shenanigans.

    #sarcasm
    #nothingnewunderthesun

  50. I’m not a Pats fan but injury reports seem pretty dumb to me. The media and the fans/fantasy football participants demand this report.

    Just like media coverage in wartime, nothing good comes of it no matter how much the people feel they “need to know”.

    Now, back to the Pats cheating and all that good stuff!

  51. This isnt anything new,they doit all the tyme and the league dose nothing about it.its sickening just dont understand how this team gets away with so much,its like theyre untouchable and the league is scared of them.

  52. Oh yeah what a huge advantage they’re getting from this, they will win the SB this year and then it will get vacated due to Injury-Reportgate!

  53. Really Spikes?
    Did you see any game film on yourself the last 4 weeks of the season? You literally could not move and had to be helped off the field vs the Bills and didn’t return to the game!

    and Talib? Did they run that false report before or after you sat out all those games during the season? What about during the AFC championship game?

  54. Between this, murderers, and other assorted criminals, I have no respect for this team. I hope the HOF considers this when Belicheck goes up for his vote.

  55. You mean all of the “injured” Patriots players were NOT either “Questionable” or “Out,” as the team always listed them?? Wow, there’s a shocker. . .

  56. And how does this really matter? I’m not even a Pat fan. Other than a team announcing a player out that week and then he shows up to play. which can’t happen!!

    Come on man, you guy’s are stretching on this one.

  57. “Two former Patriots say the team put false information about them on official injury reports.”

    In other news, students at M.I.T have discovered that one plus one equals two, and when the sun rises, the sky will change from black to blue.

  58. When is the tell all book with Ted Johnson Wes welker and Brandon spikes called the patriot way coming out? Florio, write that and get paid.

  59. This is what they mean by “The Patriot Way”. Look at it from the beginning with Belichick. It starts off with tampering to get him as coach. If they didn’t work out a trade they would have been disciplined. Then everything else from there. It amazes me that people hold this up as a model franchise when they really should be shunned. Patriot Way= dishonesty.

  60. Oh please. Injury report is only even there for people who bet on football & fantasy football geeks. Y’all just cuz the W’s keep piling up year after year.

  61. The Spikes situation was pretty dubious, but who cares about the hip/quad thing with Talib? He still missed time. He still sat out multiple games. Who cares what the nomenclature was? It’s hardly as if the Patriots got away with something. I would have loved for Talib to have been fake injured and then still played but he didn’t.

  62. The league will just sweep this under the rug the way they did with the Spygate tapes. Well… I guess they actually swept those into a woodchipper but you catch my drift.

  63. Wondering when a QB will sue them eventually.

    Hip condition and injuries are of a vital concern for a CB. When he enters free agency and his “injury history” shows hip injury after hip injury that NEVER HAPPENED, as reported by the Patriots – he’s now in danger of either not finding a job or of being offered less money because the Pats kept saying the guy’s hips were shot when it had nothing to do with that.

    Falsifying a medical history in a profession where medical history is a huge part of an employees compensation just seems to be a bad idea and I would NOT be surprised if it doesn’t cost the Pats and NFL something in the legal system.

  64. So both of these players never said a word before they signed contracts with other teams, seems like there feelings got hurt especially Spikes since he only got a one year deal. Talib actually did have a hip injury, let’s go to the tape of all the games he misses and AFC game he was holding his hip. Just a couple of whining men

  65. What a surprise. Haven’t won a thing since Spygate(ten years and counting!) and now fake injury reports?

    Bring down the hammer and bring it down hard, they’ve been making up fake injuries for Brady for years and the NFL, as usual, does nothing.

    #JETSnation #EnjoyLosingToRexCheaters?

  66. And if this were New Orleans instead of New England, the entire coaching staff would be preparing for a year’s suspension.

    Roger Goodell – the best commissioner money can buy.

  67. Go to The Big Show’s Whiner Line with this nonsense! Boo Hoo the Patriots are cheaters:(

  68. Talib says he hasn’t had a hip injury since Tampa…cool:

    ESPNBoston.com | November 20, 2013
    FOXBOROUGH, Mass. — New England Patriots cornerback Aqib Talib was present in practice on Wednesday after leaving Monday night’s loss in Carolina after his previously injured hip tightened up.

    “It’s all right, it’s all right,” Talib said Wednesday of the hip. “It tightened up on me a little bit towards the end of the game. It’s fine though.”

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    Talib was forced to watch from the sidelines as the Panthers’ final drive resulted in what would be the game-winning touchdown. He attempted to return, but ultimately the tightness was too much to overcome.

    “It’s over with now. I’d rather not talk about it,” Talib said. “I tried to go through it, as much as I can. If I could’ve been out there, I would’ve been out there.”

    As far as going forward, Talib classified himself as “day to day,” though he did not appear to be moving gingerly in the locker room.

    “We’ll see,” he said of playing this Sunday. “I’m out there working like everybody else. Just taking it one day at a time.”

    He conceded that Sunday presents a major challenge when the Denver Broncos come to town for a primetime showdown between two of the AFC’s top teams.

    “We thought we had some weapons to go against last week, this is to the next level,” he said of Denver. “They got weapons at almost every position.”

  69. The whole injury report thing is a joke. First of all, if too specific injuries are listed for a player, what do you suppose is going to happen? That’s right, the players on the opposing teams will “test” that injury in the next game. Second, some coaches have been called on the carpet for not listing all their teams injuries (I think because of the above reason). Bill Belichich takes the opposite approach and lists every conceivable injury so that no one except the team knows which are serious and which are not. You call that dishonest and I call it smart.
    With regard to Spikes, he acknowledges that he had an injured knee. He just disagreed with being put on IR and thought he should have just been rested. That’s not his call. Why should the team take up an active roster space for someone who in their opinion (and that’s what it is) is not going to be able to play and contribute?
    And Talib? Quadriceps or hip? Those muscles are closely connected, so would it have been better to have just said leg injury? And what really is the difference? The bottom line is that he was injured repeatedly and couldn’t continue to play or he would have. The team obviously needed him and he couldn’t answer the call.
    And for you Patriot haters out there, I guess it must be frustrating to look at a team that has a record like their’s when so many others don’t. So there must be a reason other than that they are just an organization that gets it done. Filming, injury reports, Goodell loves us, Bob Kraft has an “in”, what’s next ? Alien intervention?

  70. What a joke. Anyone here watch the Patriots games? Talib hobbled on and off the field several games, and didn’t play a whole season. Patriots resurrected his dead career and made his new contract possible. Talk aobut lack of gratitude.

    At the end, before being IRed, Spikes’ knee was so bad he was a liability even in run defense. He’d pick a gap and if the runner was boxed in, then SPikes would destroy him. But if the runner could make so much as a sidestep, Spikes couldn’t react. Strictly a straight line runner. So he gets IRed at the last game of the year and claims all he needed was a few weeks rest???? Obviously math is not his forte.

    Still, it’s fun to watch all you jealous basement boys go berserk over an injury report. Your posts remind me of the nerdy guy whacking off watching high school football practice. Grow up. You’re not fifteen any more.

    I don’t think…

  71. As played out in Casablanca –

    Gooddel as Capt. Renault: “I’m shocked, shocked, that there’s gambling going on here.”

    Belichick as casino manager: “Your winnings sir.”

    Capt. Renault: “Thank you.”

  72. Wow, so glad that the Redskins didnt pick up either of these chumps…right or wrong, they need to shut their mouths. Speaks a lot about their character to call out their former team/employer after they are gone. Reminds me of Edward Snowden.

  73. Sounds like two disgruntled cry babies who are hurt that the Pats didn’t value their skills as much as the teams that were desperate for their mediocre talents.

    Spikes, I’m certain you’re in tears at this very moment just as you stated you will be in tears the entire game when you face the Pats this upcoming season. You claimed that you were not hurt, but needed rest. This is professional football, not to mention a job, big baby!!! I need to rest up, Spikes. Can you call my boss to inform him so that I can still get paid while I’m resting at home? Fool!!!

    Talib, I think BB did you a favor by not reporting every single part of your body on the injury list. When you can actually play 16 games and can man up to take a hit from Wes Welker of all people and not whine like a little girl in agonizing pain afterwards, then you can dispute the idea that you never had a hip issue since you left the Bucs.

  74. I’d imagine that a lot of teams do this sort of thing but when you’re an arrogant prick with a history of cheating then it tends to be more of a big deal than it would for others.

  75. The Pats will never stop this sort of stuff as long as BB is coach there. He clearly is so arrogant he thinks he is smarter than everyone else and can do whatever he wants.

  76. Wah Wah Wah to all you haters…. There is not one of you who wish there team was as consistent as the Pats, Steelers, Colts for the past 15 years.

  77. How is it cheating putting people on IR? What would they gain from it? Just a question since i see no benefits doing so. Other than clearing a spot on the roster which they didnt use. As for the spygate thing… really? Do you honestly believe pats were the only ones doing so….? Thats just naive. Pats were the only ones 2 admit it. Thats it. What the saints did is, imo, alot worse than any of these.

    G-men baby!

  78. Relax everyone spikes is just pissed cuz they made him miss the playoffs because he happens to be a stupid player and talib was and is always hurt, just because they posted a diff injury doesn’t mean they “cheated”.
    PEDs are cheating, paying off refs is cheating but putting your player on the IR when he deserves to be benched is not cheating.
    Giant fan btw

  79. This is a disgraceful revelation. The rest of the teams in the league should not have to be exposed to such moral transgressions! May God have mercy on their souls!

  80. Two guys with sour grapes…..just a coincidence that both guys who got replaced in NE with better talent….Talib should right half that check he got to BB….you kidding me Bill turned his career around and got him way overpaid. Bill responds with his brilliance by signing a better player with less guarantee money.

    Sour grapes and if you want to look into this then why don’t we look into teams faking injuries in the actual game where it makes a difference ala the Giants a couple seasons ago…that directly affects the game. Giants won’t be disciplined or that was forgotten but because it’s the gold standard NE Patriots the non story becomes a story…..oh yeah and if who actually believe that the Pats were the only team to video tape when it was legal to do so and still happens today. People quick to forget Pats weren’t find for the actual taping because it was legal and everyone was doing so. It’s because they did it from the sidelined and not from the box or two rows back in the stands. That reasoning is an absolute joke.

    If you think the Broncos were the only team ever to manipulate the cap your sadly mistaken, thought the Saints were the only team ever to have bounties your sadly mistaken, if you think the Giants were the only team ever to fake injuries your sadly mistaken.

    You guys get all rallied up because it’ your excuse to bring down the gold standard in football. The most consistent team year in year out. The NFL doesn’t allow teams to have consistent winning seasons past 4-6 years and it’s great thst way. NE is the only team who has shown us otherwise and for almost 15 seasons they’ve been at it.

  81. Belicheats time on top is winding down, they might have one last shot at a SB this year. Tom isn’t getting any younger and they have missed on too many draft picks the last couple years.

    Tick toc tick toc…

  82. Hate on haters…

    If any of you want a quick anatomy lesson google hip and quad…You will see they are related.

    But maybe we should listen to Dr.Spikes. Its not like he has an axe to grind with the Patriots or anything.

    Until the NFL has a problem with eth reports its all hearsay.

    As I started this post…HATE ON HATERS!

  83. Spikes did have a knee injury, and it’s up to the Patriots to decide whether it is serious enough to ut him on IR. Nothing wrong there. As for Talib, when he was hurt the first time it clearly wasn’t quad. It certainly looked like a hip injjury. I am sure Talib was not totally honest as it would be bad for him to be perceived as injury prone. The leage can look into it, but one mri result showing a hip injury of any kind would put it to bed. I doubt the league will bother.

  84. Why is it that players ALWAYS bad mouth the team that decides not to keep them after they try to hold out for more money in free agency. Give it a rest guys you’ve got a job even if are overpaid

  85. Remember when the colts won the superbowl. During a speech after the Colts said we really wanted to win a championship THE RIGHT WAY. Everytime I read something the pats do that is shady thats the comment that runs through my mind. At the time I didnt really understand what he ment.

  86. Both of these players have real injury concerns and were just trying to deflect the attention away from them. It was well documented that Spikes knee was an issue, and it showed in his play at the end of the season. I do believe it’s the teams right to put someone on IR at any point with an injury. Spike showing up late to practice was the final straw and that landed him on IR freeing up a roster spot to use on someone that would actually be playing in the playoffs. He did have a injury, and they reported it for weeks prior to the ur designation. As for Talib he too had a injury missed 3 weeks during the season. During AFC championship game he says it was a bruise and not the hip, does it matter what is reported during a game? If anything they were protecting him from being attacked for sitting out the most important game of the year with a bruise. Great player but he’s soft. People want to make a story about anything involving the Patriots, and I’m not saying their injury report is not wacky at times but it’s not cheating. This is nothing but sour grapes from two players that are bitter and protecting their own self interest. I’m sure they have no issues with saying what they are saying because they know the Patriots will never make a rebuttal, even though there’s another side to every story.

  87. Spikes couldn’t get up from the turf without help after every play. Fake knee injury my a**. He should have been on IR by week 11.

  88. IR is not the injury report , its injured reserve and people on the IR list don’t have to be seriously injured , the coaches just have to feel the won’t get the most out of a player before he’s fully heals . spikes and talib both had injuries that probably wouldn’t have put them on ir in September , a much different story later in the year when the entire team is a walking injury report , grow up mike !

  89. meshnuts says:
    Mar 19, 2014 7:36 AM
    I’ve been saying on other posts that players are not buying into BB’s ways anymore and NE is sinking fast. The way he treats people has finally gotten around the league. He figured out after Cleveland that the only way HE can win is to cheat.

    ————–

    At first I thought you were on to something, then I realized that the Patriots just landed what many condsider to be the games best corner and they have shown zero signs of any slide, rebuilt their defense over the last 5 years will still winning division titles and going deep into the playoffs and are expected to be better again this year.

  90. This is why I have hated the Patriots ever since it was reported that Belichick and his staff cheated with film-gate. Before that, i just didn’t like Belichick and his “I’m too good for anyone else” attitude.

    As a Vikings Fan, my favorite team has had their fair share of poor history, both on and off the field. But a storied and great history overall nonetheless. I am LOVE the Vikings and am proud to be a fan of theirs since watching with my Dad in the mid 70s (queue the various trolls out there under the bridge). Most fans out there of various teams love their team for the same basic reason.

    The Patriots, to what extent they may cheat, are not shy about it and never take responsibility for it. Cheating is just not acceptable (cough…Saints…cough). The Patriots under Belichick appear to be cheaters. How can Patriot fans support their team that cheats? Is Belichick untouchable? Does his success on the field excuse him from your scrutiny? What say you?

    Thanks, Cheers and Skol!

  91. flbills says: Mar 19, 2014 8:29 AM

    Odd..no comments from the arrogant Pats fans.
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    Jobs, kiddo. We have jobs.

  92. …ok, it doesn’t help either that a guy i used to work with was a Patriots fan and a total a-hole! LOL

    I have read through some recent comments by those supporting Belichick and saying the two players are liars. If they are lying, well then that obviously changes things a little. If it were one player, I would be more inclined to accept the “sour grapes” reasoning. But two players came forth…hmmm.

    I get your loyalty, Patriots fans…I lived through the Love Boat, the Wizzinator, etc…but I never denied they happened. What ev, man, they happened and I was embarrased for my team. I accepted it and moved on. I think those who call “sour grapes” are in that large river in Africa.

    OK, rip away…

    Cheers and Skol!

  93. hugothehornet says:
    Mar 19, 2014 9:20 AM
    BRING UP THE AFC EAST BUT BRADY HAS A 80% win pct vs NFC 40-11

    ——————————————–

    Those 2 losses to the Giants didn’t help

    ——————————————–
    ITS ACTUALLY 3 LOSSES VS GIANTS TWICE IN 2011 BIG BLUE

  94. Does it even matter what the injury was or wasn’t? Spikes went to IR- could’ve been called a knee or a bad hair day, what’s it matter? He went to IR.

    Talib was hurting too, whether it was the hip bone, the thigh bone or the funny bone…he couldn’t play.

    Oh…that thumping you heard after the Patriots got caught with the video camera was 30 other teams throwing theirs in a dumpster out back.

    Don’t forget the, cough….Broncos…cough, team that won Super Bowls and were found to be circumventing the salary cap by paying players on the side. Far more egregious IMO.

  95. Spikes just guaranteed the Bills have no chance this year against the Pats. Probably will put 50 up each game…

    They should have put SOFT on Talib’s injury report.

    See you at the super bowl.

  96. badphish24 says:
    Mar 19, 2014 9:23 AM

    Remember when the colts won the superbowl. During a speech after the Colts said we really wanted to win a championship THE RIGHT WAY. Everytime I read something the pats do that is shady thats the comment that runs through my mind. At the time I didnt really understand what he ment.
    ______________

    One could argue that The Suck for Luck campaign might have flown in the face of doing things ‘the right way’.

  97. Have to keep the bookies in Las Vegas happy!!!!

    Seriously though, its pretty funny that the league claims to be about safety, then makes teams teams make injuries public, that makes those players and the injured area a target for opponents.

    Goodell says he wants to make the game safer then puts players at further risk to please the gambling community.

    Just for the record Spikes said being on IR due to being late was false, and Talib clearly grabbed his hip when hurt, he said quad because hip injuries tend to last which hurst his value

  98. Look at all of the hysteria out here. Haha, love it! Pats get Revis and you can see all of the haters squirming and shaking in their boots…knowing they’ll have yet another year of the Patriots dominating their team. Hang in there fellas. Only a few more years left of your misery.

  99. The Patriots have been doing this for years as a form of protest. The injury report is nothing but a betting tool and if the NFL is serious about keeping betting out of football they will do away with the injury reports.

  100. For all you “outraged” fans who are looking for reasons to hate the Patriots, lets be honest for a second… the injury report is a joke. Any fan who cares about the injury report is a joke. Any coach who develops a game plan based on the injury report is a joke and deserves to be canned. The injury report is for Vegas and fantasy football. Now feel free to go back to your moral high ground.

  101. How trite. Ever consider that Spike’s might be just a little bitter considering the Pats basically refused to bring him back and that cost him money. Let’s not forget Spike’s little porn movie shall we. He is a well known head case and after the Hernandez situation the Pats need to distance themselves from powder kegs like him for a while. In the Talib situation, he just signed a big contract and has to deflect the criticism that he is brittle and unworthy of that contract because of it. Of course he is going to minimize his injury.

    Go back and review the season. Both of these guys did have injuries that seriously impacted their play on the field. Talib was reported to have a hip problem and now he says it was a thigh bruise. Big deal. Talib’s production dropped way off from the beginning of the season to the end. At one point there was talk of him having a player of the year type season yet by the end he could barely cover anyone and was getting lit up pretty regularly. If not an injury, what was that all about?

    All that Spike’s is saying is he wasn’t “THAT” injured that he needed to go on IR. If you have ever watched Spikes in coverage you know that he’s far from the ideal inside linebacker for today’s NFL. By the end of last season he could barely move and was clearly a liability on every down that wasn’t an obvious run. His claim that he really was more healthy than the Pats let on shows just how stupid that cat is, if he wasn’t injured his performance last fall just showed how bad he is in coverage. At least with the injury he had an excuse for it. He thought that he was in line for a big pay day but the realities of the free agent market showed him most teams don’t value a one down player much. Clearly he blames the Pats for that.

    If some of you want to call labeling a thigh bruise a hip flexor on an injury report cheating then what do you consider what the Jet’s GM has been doing? At least with an injury you know the player is somehow compromised going into the game and can plan for it. When a GM lies about his willingness to offer a player a contract that is a whole different can of worms. Dirt bag move versus white lie, not even close in my book.

  102. Patriot fan is PATHETIC!

    Their only answer is: “Well, everyone else cheats too!!”

    Maybe, but the Patriots are the team who pushes the envelope the most and the most often.

    When there is no fear of retribution (Goodell and Kraft are tight) teams can do whatever they please.

    Well, at least one team can.

    Choke on it groganshero and all you other chowder loving honks.

  103. Notice how Spikes explanation quickly degenerates into “I was…you know….” and “stuff like that….” It’s not unusual for a guy that is disgruntled and protecting his future to say things that are less than true. Spikes is a big guy and he lays bonecrushing hits on anyone that gets in front of him, but he is not a pass coverage LB, so he had to be taken off the field on 3rd downs. Hi injuries and the fact that it became obvious he was a pass coverage liability hurts his chances to obtain a higher paying and more secure contract from other employers. He is defending his ability to make a living by refuting the injury claims. I would guess his new contract has very little if any guaranteed money so he needs to kill any notion he is either injured or cannot pass cover. I saw an interview with him where he proclaimed he was excellent in pass coverage. “Just watch the film” he said. That’s all you need to know about his truthfulness on the issue.

    Talib has chronic hip problems and he clearly was holding his hip area when he was injured with the Pats, on multiple occasions. It would not surprise me if his AFC Championship game injury was somewhat Quad oriented because of the way Welker hit him across the thigh area, but that game ended the season for the Pats so there was really no relevant injury report the following week. Talib has guaranteed money so I have no idea why he would say this other than he wants to avoid any perception his new contract was a bad idea for Denver because he has a chronic hip problem. The Patriots resurrected his career and made it possible for him to make 56 million dollars. NOBODY would have paid him even close to half of that prior to his stop in New England. Talib has a reputation for not being the sharpest tool in the shed so this is not a complete shock. He might also have hurt feelings that the Pats would not offer him a Denver style contract but then go out and sign Revis.

    This is much ado about nothing. Whether a guy is listed as having a quad injury or a hip injury is really irrelevant. The guy is hurt and probably can’t run well, and his chances of playing are designated by the “probable” or “doubtful” designations etc. I personally feel that by identifying the body part you just incite players and teams to go after that body part in a game, to knock the player out. Do I have to list those teams here? They ought to stop requiring body parts to be listed.

  104. Do I think it’s unbelievable that Belichick would not be honest with injury reports? Of course not – how many years has Tom Brady been “probable” with a shoulder injury?

    BUT

    Both Spikes and Talib have reasons ($$$) to downplay their injury histories, so I take what they say with a grain of salt. Actually in Spikes’ case I’ll take it with a block since he’s obviously got an axe to grind. Since neither side is objective, I choose not to believe any of them.

  105. Funny how they never mentioned anything while with the team, i mean arent u players man enought to say something?, yeah let me wait till im not back with the team so i can run my mouth, Talib when was the last time u won anything?, Spikes good luck stopping Vareen or Ridley come sunday, im sure BB will have something just 4 u lol.

  106. OK, so the issue is the Patriots didn’t list the proper body part for their injuries? I do not see the issue with that at all. The problem would be if say Brady was listed as doubtful all week and then miraculously he plays on Sunday. The teams are required to list a body part, you uninformed idoits who are calling for the Patriots to be kicked out of the NFL. The injury designation is the one that matters (out. doubtful, probable, etc).

    Also, both of these players missed multiple games due to injury, so does it really matter whether it was a quad or a hip? Not really!

  107. Let me get this straight.
    Talib’s injury was his quad according to him and not his hip and yet he still missed a few games.
    Spikes wasn’t all that injured according to him but the Patriots IR’d him thus taking a starter off their team.

    How exactly did the Patriots gain a competitive with either of these moves?

    It amazes me to read some of the responses to this that lack total perspective.
    Where are you when a guy doesn’t show up on an injury report but then is a last minute scratch. Now that I can see getting upset about but I guess if its not the Patriots doing this, its really not all that bad, eh.

  108. “Is it any wonder that Belicheat wins 3 superbowsl, THEN get’s slammed for cheating, and never wins another one? Coincidence???”

    Ah, ghent32, you idiotttt. The Pats turned over their defense in the 2005-6 seasons. It took them years to win their first SB after drafting McGinest, Bruschi, and Law (among others). And losing 2 SBs by a combined 7 points when you have an enormous target on your back is not too shabby.

  109. Who was the moron this past fall who accused the Pats of cheating because he felt they knew when his team was going to run something. Basically the same as Faulk’s stupid allegation. Fact is if you have ever read comments from veterans that join the Pats after spending time with other teams you realize the Pats are just more prepared than just about any other team in the league. Usually those vets are in awe of the efficiency of the Pats system because they have never seen anything like it. Idiots like Faulk and that guy confuse pregame preparation and game planning with cheating because they come from teams like the Texans that don’t even allow their QB to audible at the LOS. Having stupid coaches and GM’s who can’t replicate their system is no reason to call it cheating. You guys just follow stupid teams who can’t run with the big dogs.

  110. charmcitychampions says:
    Mar 19, 2014 7:12 AM
    Shocker. I’m sorry but EVERYTHING that team does is suspect. The NFL failed with spygate and just tried to go into spin doctor mode instead of addressing and fixing the problem there. By giving the Pats a slap on the wrist and claiming there was nothing to see here, they allowed the cheating to continue and become a part of that teams DNA. Bellicheck is and always has been a cheater with zero character or respectability. Everything he has done in his career is questionable.

    ____________________________________

    A slap on the wrist? $250,000 fine and draft pick loss in a slap on the wrist? You do realize a first round pick is basically a top tier player, right? So, in essence, they lost $250,000 and a starter/possible pro bowler?

    And to all the people talking smack, I think it’s funny how these guys don’t talk anything until they are OFF the Pats….hmmmm, how things work out?

  111. When the Pats re-acquire one or both of these players down the road, they’ll both be singing a different tune. Like Revis now. Players speak selfishly from emotion, not from integrity.

  112. …ok, it doesn’t help either that a guy i used to work with was a Patriots fan and a total a-hole! LOL

    I have read through some recent comments by those supporting Belichick and saying the two players are liars. If they are lying, well then that obviously changes things a little. If it were one player, I would be more inclined to accept the “sour grapes” reasoning. But two players came forth…hmmm.

    I get your loyalty, Patriots fans…I lived through the Love Boat, the Wizzinator, etc…but I never denied they happened. What ev, man, they happened and I was embarrased for my team. I accepted it and moved on. I think those who call “sour grapes” are in that large river in Africa.

    OK, rip away…

    Cheers and Skol!
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    duluth but you are completing ignoring the facts. As a pats fan I watch all the games. Here are the facts:

    Spikes – he was clearly hurt and specifically the knee. he was helped off during the Bills game. Also read some of the things that he said during FA and after signing with the Bills. He admits that he had a knee injuring and was playing through pain. Pats felt he wasn’t playing well and it was the playoffs. It makes sense to shut him down for the playoffs and use that roster spot on a healthy player.

    Talib – As another poster copied and pasted, there are multiple articles that quote Talib stating that he was having an issue, ie tightness in his hip, during the season. He missed a bunch of time as a result….so thus he was put on the injury report with a hip injury during the season. The only thing that could be questioned is what designation he was given after leaving the AFC championship game. I don’t recall what the Pats gave him as an injury designation during that specific game. But does it matter if it was hip or quad? They are closely related.

    So what is the problem? This is much adoo about nothing

  113. As of me typing this, 184 comments, the most commented article on the site. The Patriot hating has gone so far off the deep end, you people seriously need help.

    Just watch how pathetic Spikes was his last few games. He couldn’t even move. Talib sat out with a BRUISE. They did him a favor by saying it was his hip. They should have just said he was a wuss who didn’t want to ruin his chance at a fat contract, that’s why he sat out the AFCCG.

  114. duluthfan says:Mar 19, 2014 9:40 AM

    …ok, it doesn’t help either that a guy i used to work with was a Patriots fan and a total a-hole! LOL

    I have read through some recent comments by those supporting Belichick and saying the two players are liars. If they are lying, well then that obviously changes things a little. If it were one player, I would be more inclined to accept the “sour grapes” reasoning. But two players came forth…hmmm.

    I get your loyalty, Patriots fans…I lived through the Love Boat, the Wizzinator, etc…but I never denied they happened. What ev, man, they happened and I was embarrased for my team. I accepted it and moved on. I think those who call “sour grapes” are in that large river in Africa.

    OK, rip away…

    Cheers and Skol!

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    Spikes doesn’t even know what he’s talking about. He did have a knee injury and he was put on the IR. How are the Patriots cheating on that one? He was injured and he was put on the IR. That’s just dumb. Spikes just didn’t like being shut down going into the playoffs.

    As for Talib, I don’t know if he was lying or not, but he had a good reason to lie. They Patriots may have fiddled with the injury report to show hip instead of quad too. It’s possible. However, Talib definitely didn’t have a quad injurty the first time he was hurt in NE, so I don’t really believe Talib when he says he never had a hip injury in NE.

  115. flbills says: Mar 19, 2014 8:29 AM

    Odd..no comments from the arrogant Pats fans.

    Arrogance is when you THINK you are better than others. Fortunately we have scoreboards and league standings to erase all doubt. The Patriots have the best record over the past decade. So the only “deadly” sin you can accurately accuse us of is pride.
    You’d have that too if your team didn’t have a worse record than the Patriots.

  116. I hate the PATS! But who cares! Talib and Spikes, need to shut there mouth and stop crying. Its football, not church. I know they cheated in the past and it cost my team the SB but this isn’t cheating and other teams are doing it too. I can care less about a team trying to mislead players from targeting a particular body part. They did Spikes a favor by not announcing he is a idiot who not only under achieved but can’t get to meetings and practice on time. These players are so soft now a days. They talk on how tough they are and what they been through but make issue over nonsense.

  117. It’s official, Patriots haters have taken over the top spot as the most delusional group in 2014 from Holocaust deniers, the fools that think the earth is only 6,000 years old (and that humans lives alongside dinosaurs), and climate change deniers. And, please, would the fools that post about Belichick’s marriage just shut up.

  118. Oh please, every team does this to some degree, the Redskins back in the Joe Gibbs Super Bowl days were notorious for stashing players on IR.

    Move along, nothing to see here.

  119. Gee. Two guys playing down their injuries and the team playing them up, as if that’s something that hasn’t happened 7,999 times already in the league. Oh the horror! We can’t have that!

    And Spikes DID hurt his knee in week 17. I saw him grab his knee and get attended to on the sidelines…. so clearly the team felt he wasn’t 100%.

    And like my board name says…

  120. THE PATRIOTS SET THEIR TEAM CLOCKS 5 MINUTES AHEAD.

    LET’S GET OUTRAGED AND MAKE ANGRY POSTS ABOUT BILL BELICHEAT AND HIS MANIPULATION OF TIMEPIECES.

  121. I see anthony20031 and bullcharger providing some support to the notion that Spikes and Talib are lying. If that is true, then I accept that and retract most of what I said. What I will not retrack it my opinion that Belichick is not a stand-up guy and will bend/break the rules to get any advantage. And even if you don’t believe that, he is a world-class a-hole…IMHO.

    No hard feelings Pats fans! Mostly I am just itching for a Super Bowl victory out of my Vikings.

    Cheers, Beers and Skol!

  122. Like I always say… all Pats haters really are morons that know nothing about football. Nothing I’ve seen in this topic changes that opinion.

    Discuss.

  123. All teams MAY do these kind of sheninigans. However, the Pats have gotten caught… and their rep is pretty poor on this kind of “following the rules” thing.

    Watch yer back, Bill. You’ve got a target on it.

  124. If the injury to Talib wasn’t that bad why did his play fall off?

    I have to wonder… then does that make him soft? Can’t take a little pain? Is he a limp wristed wussy? Is he a quitter? #hmmmm #goodriddance

  125. I find it more disturbing that we have two whiney tattle tales. Grow up Aqweeb… I cant wait to find out what Denver does wrong once he’s booted from that team. This little punk always needs attention. Without the Pats you would be in Canada ungrateful baby.

  126. sacpete1 says:
    Mar 19, 2014 10:15 AM
    Let me get this straight.
    Talib’s injury was his quad according to him and not his hip and yet he still missed a few games.
    Spikes wasn’t all that injured according to him but the Patriots IR’d him thus taking a starter off their team.

    How exactly did the Patriots gain a competitive with either of these moves?

    It amazes me to read some of the responses to this that lack total perspective.
    Where are you when a guy doesn’t show up on an injury report but then is a last minute scratch. Now that I can see getting upset about but I guess if its not the Patriots doing this, its really not all that bad, eh.

    AMEN!!!

  127. When it comes to news, CONSIDER THE SOURCE. That’s all you need to do. What do Spikes and Talib have to gain now? Think about it. They weren’t complaining while in New England, and, the Pats aren’t the only team to do this, that is for sure. Belichick gets thrown under the bus because he isn’t like other coaches and doesn’t go out of his way to have a great relationship with all of his players. He calls it like he sees it.

  128. THE PATRIOTS SET THEIR TEAM CLOCKS 5 MINUTES AHEAD.

    LET’S GET OUTRAGED AND MAKE ANGRY POSTS ABOUT BILL BELICHEAT AND HIS MANIPULATION OF TIMEPIECES.

    —-

    LOLOLOL

  129. So that wasn’t your hip you were grabbing near the end of the Saints game Talib? Or where Wes Welker hit you? And Spikes could barely move at the end of the year and to be honest is a garbage coverage linebacker. Patriots were smart to let these two guys go. And I’m sorry but could someone find me a team that doesn’t manipulate the injury reports which by the way only serve Vegas and Fantasy football interests.

  130. How many players dropped by the Patriots have made this claim?

    2. That’s it.

    Is it any surprise that it’s the 2 most recent players? 1 who needed to save face because he wasn’t able to stay on the field majority of the time (Talib), and 2, a player known to show up late for a meeting (a known no-no for any patriot under BB – see Randy Moss) and was having extreme difficulty playing the game he’s supposed to be good at. Spikes was terrible…so ya, I’d try and save some face too if I were him.

    So Talib claims it wasn’t his hip -ever- in New England. It was his quad. Bottom line – you still couldn’t play…but that’s BB’s fault.

    I loooooove watching all the hate flow for the Pats…it’s comical…because you are all fans of the PERFECT franchises!

    I may not agree with everything they do, but for people to think that their teams aren’t practicing similar tactics is absurd.

  131. The Rams and Ravens got fined 20K by the NFL for Not listing Ed Reed and others on the injury report despite those guys practicing all week.

    I imagine the Patriots will be fined at least that much if this is true.

  132. Brandon Spikes is on a 1 year deal that is all about his next contract. Pretty obvious why he has gone from playing like the walking wounded to denying their was ever a problem.
    The proof is in the video. Talib, without question, spent a good part of the year favoring his hip. Watch the games. How exactly could someone dispute that? It’s not rocket science why in this era of non-guranteed money, and short careers, why guys who have extensive histories of being hurt would try to downplay it. Especially Talib, who was known for hip injuries before he was Patriot.

  133. Talib was clearly injured much of last year, whether it was the hip or knee he was on the injury report.

    Spikes was also clearly injured late in the season and a disgruntled player who was disciplined. He was not playing anywhere near 100% and this is sour grapes over team discipline.

  134. @lolatpatshaters
    Like I always say… all Pats haters really are morons that know nothing about football. Nothing I’ve seen in this topic changes that opinion.

    =================================
    What a poose! Poor little fella…take it easy. Everybody stop being mean to the patsies before this lil guy starts crying. Somebody’s vag hurts!

  135. Sorry folks, this falls squarely into the “gamesmanship” realm of the NFL. Every team does it, particularly those that routinely have to play cheapshot artists like the Steelers and don’t want to give them a roadmap on where to hit injured players. Speaking of which, wake me up when Belichick tries to trip a player to stop a TD return.

  136. SBCHAMPSAGAIN

    This is a completely different scenario and is in now way relates to this.

    You’re saying they were fined for them not being listed, but practicing?

    Patriots listed them on injury report and they WEREN’T PRACTICING.

    Hip/Quad – not a big discrepancy.

    If they were seeing Brady had a knee-injury, but was really dealing with a concussion…then someone may have an argument.

  137. denver1983 says:
    Mar 19, 2014 9:03 AM

    Once cheaters always cheaters!
    ************
    You’re right. The Bronco’s organization does know a thing or two about cheating.

  138. One minute Spikes says that he’ll be in tears when he plays the Pats this year and then he tweets he’s “free at last!”

    #notthebrightestbulb

  139. Pats cheat – now way. Clean program.


    Ironic a Steeler fan would accuse another team of cheating.

    Steve Courson and Dr. Rydze say hi.

  140. What a poose! Poor little fella…take it easy. Everybody stop being mean to the patsies before this lil guy starts crying. Somebody’s vag hurts!

    LOLOLOL. U mad bro?

    #ugotowned
    #tooeasy

  141. Both Talib and Spikes know now that the Pats are better than the teams they went to…fantastic job of landing outstanding free agents, BB. This is nothing more than sour grapes from two “losers”.

  142. patriotsarespygaters says: Mar 19, 2014 9:43 AM

    hugothehornet says:
    Mar 19, 2014 9:20 AM
    BRING UP THE AFC EAST BUT BRADY HAS A 80% win pct vs NFC 40-11

    ——————————————–

    Those 2 losses to the Giants didn’t help

    ——————————————–
    ITS ACTUALLY 3 LOSSES VS GIANTS TWICE IN 2011 BIG BLUE

    ———————–

    That’s true… and I was at the regular season game. I respectfully hate Eli Manning the bloody Giants and I still wake up feeling like the Patriots have a chance to win those two Super Bowls … ugh. I was glad to see the Giants go down the tubes last year.

  143. Inquiring minds need to know. Why are all Pats haters morons that know nothing about football?

    #butwhy
    #needtoknowwhy

  144. At least Bob Kraft isn’t popping pills like Bob Irsay. At least the Patriots didn’t have a Bountygate like the Saints. At least the Patriots don’t have half their team in prison like the Bengals do. At least the Patriot players aren’t taking illegal drugs like half the Broncos and Seahawks are. At least the Patriots don’t circumvent the salary cap every year like the 49ers do. Every team plays fast and loose with the rules. I didn’t even realize the Colts haven’t won a Superbowl since Spygate.

  145. So Bill does Spikes a favor and instead of saying he was a problem off the field and airing dirty laundry on him, and Spikes has an issue with that?

    And did Talib understand his injury? Its pretty easy for a quad injury to involve the hip. Per a google “the most common is the rectus femoris. This is because it is the only one of the four muscles which crosses both the hip and knee joints. This make it more susceptible to injury”

    Really, Spikes seems a jerk, and Talib seems to be nit-picking.

  146. Based on his feeble limp wristed excuse for being late I just don’t think Spikes likes shoveling snow.

    I could think of better places to end up than Buffalo if that is the case….

  147. I see anthony20031 and bullcharger providing some support to the notion that Spikes and Talib are lying. If that is true, then I accept that and retract most of what I said. What I will not retrack it my opinion that Belichick is not a stand-up guy and will bend/break the rules to get any advantage. And even if you don’t believe that, he is a world-class a-hole…IMHO.

    No hard feelings Pats fans! Mostly I am just itching for a Super Bowl victory out of my Vikings.

    Cheers, Beers and Skol!

    ——————–

    He is a good coach and any coach will bend rules or their interpretations of the rules. I agree he is abrasive etc. To me he is just like any other coach or player that teams and fans love to have on their team but despise them when they are on another.

    People bring up Spygate all the time but refuse to actually pull up the facts. They say the Pats cheated their team out of a SB etc. But the fact remains that what the Pats were doing was legal if I recall when they won their SBs. Right before the season started in which they got caught, a memo was sent out to clarify the rules. At that point during that season he broke the rules.

    And that doesn’t take the fact into the equation that multiple head coaches have come out and said that what the Pats did was done by a lot of teams. Not to mention the only rule they broke was the location from which they filmed. Even the clarification of the rule mentioned using that film during a game and so if you go off that memo I can understand that it can be construed then that you can film from where they did as long as that film was not used during the course of that game. But regardless, I get it he broke a rule, they got their punishment. I think it is time everyone moved on.

    For instance Jimmy Johnson had this to say:

    “This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn’t think it helped us. Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches.

    These players don’t know what their coaches are doing, and some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That’s why the memo was sent to everybody. That doesn’t make Belichick right, but a lot of teams are doing this.”

    In regards to people saying that the Patriots haven’t won anything since Spygate is a fallacy.

    – Pats record since Spygate 80-24 (includes playoffs. Thats the best record in the NFL in that timeline by about 20 games I believe
    – 5 division titles in 6 years (only year they didnt Brady was out for season during first game)
    – 4 AFC Title game appearances in 6 years
    – 2 Super Bowl appearances (of which they only lost by a combined 7 points I believe)

    People are just hating. Research all this crap and you find the truth.

  148. And you know what, I really resent PFT putting all this anti-Patriots stuff out there. It’s just set up for people to take shots at the Pats. Everyone loves to try and knock off #1 when you’ve been a dynasty for so long. I understand that comes with the territory. That’s all some people have I guess. But it’s odd to me that every time I try to defend the Pats against that phony Spygate scandal, PFT ends up deleting my comments. Someone here has an ax to grind.

  149. Can we use this to get rid of the gaggle of annoying former patriots players on the NFL network and ESPN…

    I can’t stand this “Patriot Way” crap – you play in a weak division, in a weak conference – shut it.

  150. I’d expect nothing but outrage from the inferiority complex-riddled Jets fans. Let’s be honest, when their team was last relevant, and won their only Super Bowl, man hadn’t even set foot on the moon yet.

  151. Who cares. They were both injured and on the injury report. I don’t see that as cheating.

    And maybe the Patriots haven’t been the Super Bowl since Spygate because it’s hard to get to the Super Bowl. Plenty of teams haven’t been in the last 10 years and I don’t hear allegations of cheating.

    By the way, I’m not a Patriots fan.

  152. hugothehornet says:
    Mar 19, 2014 9:20 AM
    BRING UP THE AFC EAST BUT BRADY HAS A 80% win pct vs NFC 40-11
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    That’s true… and I was at the regular season game. I respectfully hate Eli Manning the bloody Giants and I still wake up feeling like the Patriots have a chance to win those two Super Bowls … ugh. I was glad to see the Giants go down the tubes last year.
    —————————————

    A chance? they were ahead in both games with a little over 2 mins left in both games….patriots 31st ranked pass defense showed true colors couldnt close deal

  153. I cannot believe the collective intelligence in these comments….I am not even close to a Patriots fan, but what is cheating again here? What advantage was gained by saying a player was injured and sitting him? This is an advantage now days? Too many fans are so upset with a successful team they will just latch onto anything….do you know how many teams are not forthcoming on injury reports? So it was his quad not his hip? LMAO….OMG that is how they won all of those games….some of you need to sit back and think for a minute, just think, use your head, because frankly these comments make me week for society.

  154. The quad spans the length of the upper leg. Specifically, it’s tendon attaches proximally at the hip socket and pelvis….just sayin’

  155. BountyGate then BullyGate, and now IRGate? But if any other team did this the NFL would discipline them for sure. Don’t worry Pats fans, nothing’s gonna happen as long as Goodell is commish and GMO-monger Kraft is the owner.

  156. Well this obviously gives then an enormous advantage over other teams because…..well, you know their players are injured, but they don’t tell anyone the exact injury because…….but it’s so important that other teams know because they need to……….

    Yeah, this is just another stupid reason for everyone to pile on the Patriots. Two ex-players, one of whom was admittedly bitter because the team wouldn’t pay him? I’m sure they’re entirely objective. Probably didn’t occur to them that Belichick saved them further injury by not letting opposing teams know which areas of the body to target to knock them out of games. And Spikes needs to shut his mouth. He could barely move, but it’s important that he play injured and create a major defensive liability.

    Funny how everyone else is so quick to point the finger at the Patriots for cheating, but conveniently ignore any transgressions by their own teams. But hey, don’t let facts get in the way of your angry, jealousy-fueled rants. How many teams circumvented the salary cap to win a Super Bowl again? Any reason people can find to hate the Patriots though

  157. Look, no one hates Belichick more than me. That being said, this is his way of protesting the injury designation process and I really can’t blame him. Why should teams give out any injury information at all? Seriously think about it. The ONLY reason is for gambling purposes which Goodell and the NFL are supposedly so against. The NFL loves to give off the impression that they hate legalized gambling. So, if they are so against gambling but still makes teams list injuries ask yourself why.

  158. Yeah, because reporting a quad injury as a hip injury is going to fast track you to the Lombardi trophy. Most of you are imbeciles.

  159. Haha ohh Pats fans. I love when every comment on here is “OH YAH HERE COME DA HATUHS. BRING IT AWN! BB OWNS YOU GO PATS!”

    You guys are getting awfully defensive…I guess being the NFL’s biggest choke job the last 10 years is starting to get to you. There is no envy, there is no jealousy…I’m jealous of teams that actually win the Super Bowl. I’m a Bills fan, we have plenty of experience doing what you’re doing – being the best team in the regular season and choking in the playoffs…why would I want to go through that again?

  160. Can we pump the breaks for one second.

    Whatever the Talib injury was in the AFC Champ game, it wouldn’t matter what the Patriots designated it as. They didn’t have a game the following week and thus had no more injury reports to file. If he wants to cry that all of his previous injuries weren’t to his hip, he needs to check the tape and the doctors note. There is clear conflict with his version of the story.

    Spikes is just hissy. His knee was falling apart as the season wore on. Most players are pretty banged up by seasons end. The team could have suspended him and probably should have now that he can’t stop his crying. His knee hurt enough to land him on IR, but the finally push was obviously him blowing off playoff team meetings.

    There were lots of team that played fast with the injury report from last year. Most even. Anyone remember Peyton’s mystery ankle injury that turned into a double ankle injury all of a sudden?

    What will happen is the NFL will send a memo and teams will continue to seek shelter underneath the umbrella team paid ‘medial opinions.’

  161. Complete joke of a franchise
    You’re an embarrassment to our country and our military
    If this is how Bob Kraft runs his businesses maybe we should stop buying his products!

  162. Its a scandal that the Pats are putting all their players on the injury report even when they are healthy in order to throw off other teams preperations…

    Buffalo allows injured players to say they are fine to keep them off the injury report, thus giving teams the chance to over prepare and they are fined.

    And the NFL goes on…

  163. I don’t get why the NFL needs specifics with injuries.

    The NHL does it right with simple things like “lower body injury” and “upper body injury”.

    Keep it simple. Designating specific injuries only helps opposing players hone in on those areas and causing further injury.

  164. I’ll repeat what an earlier comment stated.

    If Spikes didn’t hurt his knee, then why did he leave his last game holding his knee?

    If Talib didn’t injure his hip, then why did he leave the Saints game holding his hip?

    Now, Talib’s injury in the AFCCG may have been a quad, but don’t tell me he didn’t injure his hip during the season.

    And also, earlier in Belichick’s tenure in NE, he was criticized for not having a BIG enough injury report, which is why he’s had Brady on it every week with a shoulder malady for 10 years. Now, he’s being criticized for having too much of one? My good God!

    And, to all you haters, I’m sure EVERY team is forthcoming with their injury reports. Yep, the 31 other teams tell everyone who’s hurt, what’s hurt, and when their timetable for return is. We know exactly who is going to play every week by Wednesday afternoon. Yep.

    Jesus, get over yourselves. Every team fudges the injury reports. Someone earlier said hockey had it right. I say baseball and basketball have it right. There are no official injury reports in those leagues for the purpose of informing your opponents who’s playing and who’s not. The NFL should ditch them too. Teams know who’s hurt and will play and who’s injured and will not WITHOUT the weekly injury reports. The injury reports–like spreads–are for the masses for betting purposes.

  165. Who cares, i really don’t give a crap if vegas’s betting lines are compromised, thats the only real use for an injury report other then a lowlife coach telling his players what to target on an opposing injured player. The damn thing should go away.

  166. So Talib actually left a conference championship game over a bruise….from a collision with a midget…

    The more I think about that, the more I think this guy is really, really soft.

    #iceupson
    #goodriddance

  167. WOW THE HATERS ARE PATHETIC JUST WOW
    ARE YOU ALL SO JEALOUS? WOW
    THIS IS FASCINATING
    I GUESS HATERS KNOWS IF GRONK WAS HEALTHY , BRADY WILL BE A 6 TIME SUPERBOWL CHAMP OR SUMTHING
    THIS IS JUST BAFFLING PATS TROLLS AND HATERS ARE SOMETHING ELSE

  168. Whats the problem….Talib and Spikes faked injuries all the time….thats the way they do it.
    Now they can go show up on another teams injury report

  169. Considering the Patriots cannot respond fully without violating HIPAA guidelines, this is a non-issue, unless Talib and Spikes agree to allow their medical records into the public sphere.

  170. All of you are shocked and dismayed that the Patriots would stoop so low and do such a thing, please press the thumbs down button.
    If you believe that “Honest” Bill Belicek is capable of deceiving others, please press the thumbs up button. Thank you!

  171. Not a pats fan at all I never understood why teams had injury reports. Just get rid of injury depots and forget about it!

  172. I don’t see how it benefited the patriots taking Talib and the other lazy bum out of the game. Bottom line Talib was always hurt most of the time or was he just a faker?

  173. The first occasion something like this has ever occurred in NFL history.
    Please note the date and time.

  174. Hahahahahaha!!! You Pats haters are unbelievably funny! Listen to yourselves and then examine the team or teams that you follow. Do you truthfully accept in your own mind that those teams don’t “adjust” the injury report to mess with other teams’ preparation? C’mon…be real now….

  175. I can see the day when all the teams’ medical staffs are hired by, and answerable only to the league office. The money is becoming too big, and as a result the legal repercussions too great for this not to happen…

  176. So let me get this right; people here dumped all over Belichick for trading for a bad apple like Aqib Talib in 2012.
    “Yeah, there’s the Patriots way for ya.”
    And now the very same bad apple is viewed as a pillar of integrity, one that wholeheartedly told the complete truth at his introductory press conference, and we have no reason to doubt that.
    Got it.
    What a mind-numbing bunch of hypocrites.
    More important, aside from dumping on the Patriots, someone has to explain to me why this is a big deal?

  177. Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
    Captain Renault: I’m shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
    [a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]
    Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
    Captain Renault: Oh, thank you very much.

    C’mon people. If you don’t think every team does some of this you are delusional.

  178. What does NFL injury reports and the Russian newspaper “Pravda” have in common. They are both full of lies.

  179. Everyone on here complaining as if what the Patriots do will affect their personal lives.

    Ok, so if SpyGate never happened, your bills would all be paid, right?

    No.

    If the Pats make honest injury reports you’ll see a pay increase at your job, right?

    No.

    Quit crying. That’s all this generation does is cry. If it’s not one thing, it’s another.

    Go Patriots 2014!

  180. LOL The Mexico City Batidores Culo will cum into the NFL and whip all the other gay American teams! Here cum the Batidores Culo cumming in 2 the NFL 2 win D Super Bowll! Move over SheHawks and FortyWhiners and R******s! Cuz the Batidores Culo we’ll win it awl! #BatidoresCulo4TheWinAndTheyWillBeThe2014SuperBowllChampions

  181. kirburnicus says:Mar 19, 2014 7:05 AM

    When I think of dishonesty I think of the Patriots.

    2229

    403

    Not a big deal however 2229 people think the same about the Pats.

    And the Pats are trying to get the League to change the xtra points to the 25 yard line so its a 43 yard xtra point cause they have one of the most accurate kicker in NFL history.

    They are always trying to get a inch here and a inch there and that will be their legacy.

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  182. I’m a Detroit Lions fan, born and raised. It’s been educational, these last ten years and more, reading all of your love letters to BB and the City of Boston. Before y’all shared those innermost thoughts, I pretty much had assumed that all Americans enjoyed similar upbringings. Well, you’ve disabused me of that notion, I must say! How so? For starters, y’all apparently stay cloistered in nunneries, until at least the age of retirement. How else to account for the fact that y’all are shocked–SHOCKED! I say–at things which other folks take for granted. Like, for instance, that Coaches cheat. (News flash: So, too, do Mommies and Daddies. Sometimes, one or both, with Santa Claus.) Tell me true, most of you are still virgins, right?

  183. Does ‘Batidores Culo’ translate as ‘Men Who Walk About in Public With Their D’s in Their Hands’? ‘Cause, that’s how I picture your twink selves. Just a bunch of short, fat, sexually ambivalent men, angry with the world (and the Man upstairs) that y’all weren’t born even the least bit Butch, like many a respectable lesbian is. (I know, pookie, it’s just not FAIR! There, there, dry your tears on the hems of your nightgowns.)

  184. I AM NOT A PATRIOT FAN

    people are just jealous of success…
    Every NFL team ‘cheats’ in anyway they can get away with it….

    we live in a society where every crumb has a ton of competition, to think that a company, a football team, and organization will not do everything short of murder to succeed is ignorant !!!

    Every Pro franchise misleads on Injury reports, its part of the elusive game that has to be played for the sake of game planning and strategy. Anyone with a sense, anyone that has ever competed will understand and get it.

    The no bodies that have never done anything, wont go anywhere, wouldnt win a farting contest are the ones that make comments about this kind of thing.

  185. Injury report schemes are hard to pin down. It’s like all the complaints about player tampering. No one ever gets in trouble for doing that so many teams do it.

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