Patriots want to extend the uprights

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Other than the Fail Mary, the most iconic image from the debacle that was the NFL’s use of replacement officials was Patriots coach Bill Belichick grabbing an official following a loss to the Ravens. Belichick was upset because he thought the Ravens’ game-winning field goal had actually gone over and just outside the upright.

Now Belichick is proposing a rule that would eliminate such confusion in the future.

At next week’s league meeting, the Patriots will propose a rule to extend the uprights five feet higher. The hope is that with higher uprights, field goals won’t go directly above the upright, and officials will have a clearer view of whether a field goal is good or no good.

Current rules say “Vertical posts extend at least 30 feet above the crossbar” and “The actual goal is the plane extending indefinitely above the crossbar and between the outer edges of the posts.” But the Patriots believe it’s too hard for the officials to tell if the ball was inside the outer edge of the post if the ball is higher than 30 feet above the crossbar. So the Patriots want the rule to be 35 feet.

It’s hard to see any reason not to pass this rule. The NFL would have to spend a little money to extend the uprights, but if that means a game-deciding field goal is called correctly, it’s well worth it.

100 responses to “Patriots want to extend the uprights

  1. Hey you refs out there, a question. When the ball sails high over an upright, how much of the ball needs to be inside the imaginary vertical line for it to be considered good? I thought I heard someone say if “any” portion of the ball is within the outer edges it is considered good.

  2. Why don’t they just add huge spot-lights that point straight up from the ends of each goal post upright? This would extend them virtually infinitely. If light hits the ball then the kick is no good. This seems like such a simple fix, IMO.

  3. Bigredgoog,

    I officiate high school and college football. NCAA has it to where if ANY part of the ball breaks the vertical plain of the goal post it is considered good. Not sure what NFL rule is.

    I agree with motion to make the post higher. It is not as common in High School for that to happen, but it still happens even there.

  4. Agree that lasers pointing all the way to the roof would be great. Jrod2go, got it backwards though. If the ball breaks the plain of the lazers, it should be declared good. Good idea there Jrod. Extending the post 5 feet would cut down on the problem, but using laser technology would take care of it. So, extend it 5 feet, then add lasers. That way, if something happens and the lasers go out, you still have the extra 5 feet.

  5. How about adding another crossbar at the top of the current goal posts. Make a little more difficult to score. Ball has to pass between all four bars in order to count.

  6. If the rule states “vertical posts extend at least 30 feet above the crossbar,” then it sounds like the Pats can extend their posts as far as they like. They would still be “at least” 30 feet above.

  7. .
    As is the case with instant replay, you just want the call to be correct. Often it seems the kickers are given the benefit of the doubt if it’s close.
    .

  8. Take the 2 uprights and bend them inward, forming a triangle – boom, I just solved your extra point troubles as well. The harder it is to make a kick, the more real football we will see.

  9. Why does Belicheat want higher goal posts? So he can put his spy cameras on top?

    Ha ha! That’s pretty funny! Don’t you agree all you adolescent Patriot haters?

  10. Why not just eliminate FG altogether? It’s not Soccer! If they can’t score a TD they don’t deserve to score.

  11. Other than the Fail Mary, the most iconic image from the debacle that was the NFL’s use of replacement officials was Patriots coach Bill Belichick grabbing an official following a loss to the Ravens.

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    There are many more numerous instances of the union refs affecting the outcome of the game just in the last year alone. Since they aren’t going away the media doesn’t chew on their mistakes like a dog with a bone. Incorrect downs, ball placement horrendously off, calls missed when staring right at the penalty, penalties called that aren’t penalties, etc.

    The so called “Fail Mary” was ruled correct by a league official in the booth, before it was officially announced by the replacement refs on the field, yet the media omits that fact every time because it doesn’t fit their narrative.

  12. Put a crossbar at the top too like a giant soccer goal. that would make it really interesting.

  13. jrod2go says:
    Mar 21, 2014 7:24 AM
    Why don’t they just add huge spot-lights that point straight up from the ends of each goal post upright? This would extend them virtually infinitely. If light hits the ball then the kick is no good. This seems like such a simple fix, IMO.

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    Most games are played in the middle of the day. Way to think that through. smh

  14. Laser idea wont solve the issue of weather the football would bounce inside or outside the uprights. It would just hit the laser. So it wouldn’t work.

    Dan

  15. Yes, it was blatantly obvious that he missed. Michael David Smith has a personal agenda against me and erases all my posts, even if they are relevant to the discussion.

  16. “Where was this 30 years ago?? Then we could confirm that Rich Karlis’ field goal was indeed wide left in that 86 AFC Championship game.”

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    We could have been spared at least one Broncos SB appearance. Ee gads!

  17. jrod2go says:
    Mar 21, 2014 7:24 AM
    Why don’t they just add huge spot-lights that point straight up from the ends of each goal post upright? This would extend them virtually infinitely. If light hits the ball then the kick is no good. This seems like such a simple fix, IMO.
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    Better yet, use lasers, fill the football with Hydrogen- Flame on! if it crosses the laser. You would have to change the netting to prevent fan deaths, but well worth the fireworks…

  18. People get arrested, justifiably, for pointing lasers at helicopters and airplanes, so what do people really think is the likelihood that the NFL will attach lasers to the top of the goal posts?

    “Weak” short range lasers does not matter. FAA would have that idea shutdown in a hurry if the NFL competition committee brought lasers under consideration.

  19. 6ball says:
    As is the case with instant replay, you just want the call to be correct. Often it seems the kickers are given the benefit of the doubt if it’s close.
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    In that Pats-Ravens game, it was the replacement refs who gave themselves the benefit by calling it ‘good’ and getting off the field alive.

  20. This would be a waste of $ if the nfl decides to eliminate kickers like many are wanting to so. I always enjoyed the drama Of a last second field goal so I hope they will stay in the game

  21. Since the goal posts are going to look stupid no matter what changes are made to them, eliminate the goalposts altogether, keep the crossbar and then use lasers.

    If you decide you want narrow goalposts for extra points, then you can shut off the wider field goal lasers and turn on the narrow extra point lasers.

    Then Goodell can fly around the stadium on a hovercraft donning a Darth Vader costume, laughing maniacally at the fans because why the hell not at this point?

  22. As a Ravens fan, I have one major issue with this- the field goal post at the south end of M&T Bank Stadium is actually the original from Memorial Stadium. It’s a piece of history in this town (not that many know about it), and replacing the posts would be removing that history. And let’s be honest- where do you move a historic field goal post if it’s not in the stadium?

    In principle I agree with it. I don’t like to see crybaby BB get his way, but I understand the logic behind it. I simply think it would be more logical to have reviews with projection extensions. Similar to how baseball can show an on screen projection of the foul line, there’s no reason the NFL could not show a projection of the upright. If it’s in or on? It’s good. Any part of the ball outside? No good. Much easier and cheaper than replacing full posts.

  23. patriotsarespygaters says:
    Mar 21, 2014 9:06 AM
    Patriot haters BRADY is 40-11 in his career VS the NFC the texans, vikings, browns, redskins, jaguars lost more than 11 games last season…embrace the hate
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    What’s his record against Denver?

  24. He’s still crying about this ?

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    I’m surprised he didn’t ask the league to suspend Bernard Pollard permanently!

  25. chmura97 says:
    Mar 21, 2014 8:00 AM

    The refs have their work cut out for them in trying to make the Packers a playoff team!

    what does this have to do with the goal posts
    get a life!

  26. To me this is a lot of angst about a really minor issue. A 30-foot or 35-foot unsupported pole will sway in the wind, even if only a few inches, so if you want complete accuracy, should you also care about such movements affecting whether a kick counts? You can never be 100.00% accurate and there will still be situations above the 35-foot level calling for ref interpretation. How many time has this been an issue anyway?

    If you wanted to be completely accurate about using a vertical plane, you would put a laser in the ground, not in the post. Of course this means the laser would not precisely align with the poles when the poles are moving.

  27. I came into this post to write about the use of lasers, and how it could also be helpful for officiating games, but that it all really comes down to a need for central officiating.

    I’m the first to be against anything “Big Brother”, but if a standard touchdown can be reviewed, than I think a questionable field goal should be able to be reviewed as well. As such, the use of lasers or some kind of technology similar to what TV stations use to show the first down line could be use by a central officiating office to determine if a field goal is good or not, not to mention more accurately call correct spots, fix penalty calls, etc.

  28. This is a good rule. Im not gonna be a D and talk about things that allegedly happened 10 years ago.

    Look how much kicking rules have changed in the last year and a half and now adding this. Cray

  29. filthymcnastyog says: Mar 21, 2014 9:11 AM

    Sci-fi freaks…. Lasers? you can’t do lasers. what if the laser cut a plane in half that was flying overhead
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    Thanks for raining on the parade. I was thinking about all the exploding footballs we’d get to watch. That would have been a great little touch.

  30. Eutaw’s Finest says:
    Mar 21, 2014 9:09 AM
    As a Ravens fan, I have one major issue with this- the field goal post at the south end of M&T Bank Stadium is actually the original from Memorial Stadium. It’s a piece of history in this town (not that many know about it), and replacing the posts would be removing that history. And let’s be honest- where do you move a historic field goal post if it’s not in the stadium?

    In principle I agree with it. I don’t like to see crybaby BB get his way, but I understand the logic behind it. I simply think it would be more logical to have reviews with projection extensions. Similar to how baseball can show an on screen projection of the foul line, there’s no reason the NFL could not show a projection of the upright. If it’s in or on? It’s good. Any part of the ball outside? No good. Much easier and cheaper than replacing full posts.

    I stopped reading after “as a ravens fan”

  31. Yes, because wanting to make sure field goals are, you know, actually good, is somehow cheating.

    SMH

  32. This rule is a no-brainer. Fun to see those refs on either side of the goal posts look at each other as if saying “if you raise your arms I’ll raise mine”.

    The more important but more controversial proposal from the Patriots is to push back the extra point line of scrimmage to the 25 yrd line. They should do this or just get rid of the extra point.

  33. if all you suckers want to eliminate field goals, and extra points and kickoffs,, why would we call it football??

    #stopbeingdumb

  34. I like the idea of putting a bar across the top of the goal post making it a square and the ball has to go through that square to be good. You could have sensors in the goal post that light up if the kick is good. The crowd would go nuts seeing a goal post light up with a game winning kick.

  35. Exploding footballs IS the answer. Use technology to do this (I haven’t got time to work this out today).

    If the football explodes, the kick is good.

  36. Carolla has been talking about this for years, it takes just about 5 more feet to solve the issue, no safety issues. Lasers won’t work cause the ball can’t bounce in or out with a Laser. I do like the idea of putting a cross bar on top, to add another level of difficulty.

    I’m not a Pats fan but the BB hate is insane, let it go. If your team can’t hire a coach or a GM to contend with the guy then that is their fault. My Birds lost an SB to BB, and I don’t blame BB, I blame bad execution, ARs crappy time management, and Donny5 being awful at the end.

  37. BB is really focusing on speciat teams – first the 43 yd extra point and now longer goalposts. He should really be focusing on how the Pats continue to roll through the regular season and then choke in the playoffs.

  38. Patriot haters whenever an article that says “Patriots” is posted on PFT:

    ARF ARF ARF clap clap clap clap ARF ARF ARF ARF ARF clap clap clap ARF ARF ARF ARF

    LOL

  39. blkandgld4eva says: Mar 21, 2014 10:14 AM

    BB is really focusing on speciat teams – first the 43 yd extra point and now longer goalposts.
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    I think the Steelers should focus on not losing 55-31 to the patriots….

  40. mayers59 says:
    Mar 21, 2014 7:41 AM
    Agree that lasers pointing all the way to the roof would be great. Jrod2go, got it backwards though. If the ball breaks the plain of the lazers, it should be declared good. Good idea there Jrod. Extending the post 5 feet would cut down on the problem, but using laser technology would take care of it. So, extend it 5 feet, then add lasers. That way, if something happens and the lasers go out, you still have the extra 5 feet.
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    What are you talking about, roof? Football doesn’t have a roof.

  41. thethunderofgunns says:

    Yes, make ‘em higher that way all the spy cameras Belichick keeps scattered among the stadiums can receive a better signal for Foxboro HQ
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    Really ? Around “stadiums” ? So you’re saying Belichik sneaks into other team’s venues using what, his patented Hoodie Of Invisibility, and somehow installs video systems without the team whose stadium it is having any idea ?

    LOL your tin foil hat must be awfully tight today.

  42. myeaglescantwin says:
    Mar 21, 2014 7:25 AM
    all we frickin want is goal post with frickin lazers

    is that too much to ask.
    __________

    PFT comment of the year?

  43. Laser goal post would cause all sorts of crying from fans when the tip of the ball touches the laser on a winning field goal. With goal post that would be a missed field goal. With lasers it’s a winning field goal. Keep the goal post and let the ball bounce off or in.

  44. you guys got it all wrong,BB wants to raise the bottom bar up a foot and a half so we can watch 95% of players choke trying to dunk the ball after scoring a TD.

  45. Here’s an idea to use technology. The networks use that digitally added yellow line to denote where the 1st down marker is on TV. Why don’t they put those lines vertically on each post of the goalpost?

    Obviously you wouldn’t be able to see this live on the field, but for those rare questionable ones, you’d be able to see where the ball crossed on TV replay.

  46. I agree but don’t understand why the patriots would want this. Any call that is even close to questionable wil go in their favor so this would hurt them on close fgs.

  47. jrebar88 says:
    Mar 21, 2014 9:10 AM
    patriotsarespygaters says:
    Mar 21, 2014 9:06 AM
    Patriot haters BRADY is 40-11 in his career VS the NFC the texans, vikings, browns, redskins, jaguars lost more than 11 games last season…embrace the hate
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    What’s his record against Denver?
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    its 3-1 in the last three seasons including playoffs haha

  48. Instead of extending a useless 5′, why don’t they just put cameras on top of each corner of the goal post. You can watch the football all you want and replay it whenever you choose to as well.

  49. If its not a clear miss then it should be considered in – cmon thats not even football anyway

    Also I was at that Ravens Pats game – everyone sitting in that end zone with the best view of it went crazy. it was obviously in

  50. More bs about who made the suggestion. Just like with the foul poles in MLB, it is extremely hard to rule on close calls when the ball goes out higher than the pole. What would be the harm of extending them? More calls would be correct. But since a Pat said it, we’ll just snark on them instead of debating the wisdom of the idea.

  51. They should raise it 5 feet AND put a cross bar at the top, and require the ball to go through the box, marked by radar or lasers or whatever. Than there are no questions.

    I bet BB could make a few more rule changes that make the game better and more interesting. Maybe all extra points SHOULD be drop kicked!

  52. harrisonhits2 says:
    Mar 21, 2014 11:14 AM
    thethunderofgunns says:

    Yes, make ‘em higher that way all the spy cameras Belichick keeps scattered among the stadiums can receive a better signal for Foxboro HQ
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    Really ? Around “stadiums” ? So you’re saying Belichik sneaks into other team’s venues using what, his patented Hoodie Of Invisibility, and somehow installs video systems without the team whose stadium it is having any idea ?

    LOL your tin foil hat must be awfully tight today.

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    Lighten up Frances, my post was in jest. Thanks. 🙂

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