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Bob McNair: Texans won’t repeat mistakes we made with David Carr

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In 2002, the Texans used the first draft pick in franchise history on David Carr, who was beaten up while playing on a bad team and never developed into the kind of player Houston wanted him to be. Now the Texans own the first overall pick again, and owner Bob McNair says his team has learned from its mistakes.

McNair says the Texans now realize that a rookie quarterback shouldn’t play until he’s ready, and a veteran quarterback as a placeholder can be a wise investment.

“I think the main thing I look back on is that we should have had a veteran quarterback in there,” McNair said. “We should have let him start the season and let David learn what it takes to be an NFL quarterback.”

That suggests that if the Texans draft a quarterback next week, they’ll be drafting him with the idea that he’ll sit on the bench and learn while Ryan Fitzpatrick or Case Keenum or T.J. Yates opens the season as the starter. McNair also wants to make sure the Texans can provide a young quarterback better protection than the expansion team’s offensive line gave Carr.

“We weren’t able to give Carr the kind of protection we thought he should have,” McNair said. “I don’t put a lot of blame on him.”

If the Texans do draft a quarterback, they have to hope they’re not making excuses for his failures a dozen years down the road.

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69 Responses to “Bob McNair: Texans won’t repeat mistakes we made with David Carr”
  1. stung4ever1983 says: Apr 27, 2014 12:00 PM

    What wrecked David Carr wasn’t him playing right away. What wrecked David Carr was him being shell shocked due to his offensive line (or lack thereof).

  2. nonetruerthanblue says: Apr 27, 2014 12:01 PM

    Um, hello…

    I agree he shouldn’t play until he’s ready, but don’t just knock David Carr.

    He didn’t even stand a chance behind that horrible offensive line you had in place.

  3. dontbugmeonsundays says: Apr 27, 2014 12:04 PM

    You mean like not having a line to protect him?

  4. tinbender2000 says: Apr 27, 2014 12:04 PM

    Wow. An honest owner willing to admit his mistakes. That is refreshing. Jerrah, you taking notes? Danny boy, don’t bother, you’ll never learn.

  5. scw37 says: Apr 27, 2014 12:04 PM

    Judging the first pick of a new franchise isn’t really fair…Carr was working with nothing. I know many consider him a bust, but I mean the dude had a solid career, unlike almost every other “bust”. McNair seems to have the right idea, now we’ll see if the decisions match the thoughts

  6. bassplucker says: Apr 27, 2014 12:04 PM

    So if you follow that logic, the Texans pick will be Jake Matthews or Greg Robinson. Could happen I guess, but only if they trade down a few ticks.

  7. bigearl61 says: Apr 27, 2014 12:06 PM

    What quarterback can thrive, when they have 2.1 seconds to complete a pass before they are dead-to-rights?

  8. axx1 says: Apr 27, 2014 12:07 PM

    It worked out great for seattle and indi. Whats wrong with starting rookie qbs?

  9. justsomerandomguy24 says: Apr 27, 2014 12:08 PM

    I honestly used to feel bad watching David Carr play. That guy got body-slammed by D linemen 15-20 times a game. It looked painful.

  10. iamdinguskhan says: Apr 27, 2014 12:08 PM

    It depends how ready the guy you draft really is. To say he shouldn’t start was proven wrong by the 2012 class draft picks. Does anyone really feel Russell Wilson, Andrew Luck and RGIII were not ready? All of them took their teams to the playoffs their first year and were the main reason their teams got there. Russell went on to win the Super Bowl next year and Andrew got better. Healthy RGIII will be a top QB.

  11. frotoon2 says: Apr 27, 2014 12:12 PM

    Not all rookie QBs are built equal. If they draft a QB who is pro-ready, he should play. If it’s a guy who needs to hold the clipboard for a year, fine. You can’t decide in advance a single rule that applies to everyone. Pete Carroll would have been foolish to start Matt Flynn.

  12. jburk003 says: Apr 27, 2014 12:13 PM

    Carr maybe could’ve had a decent career if he had an Olinr at Houston..

    One has to think that after that many hits and sacks, a Qbs pocket confidence has to be damaged, possibly for good.

    I think the younger Carr is overrated. He had so much talent around him. I played HS football with 2 of his starting WRs (Harper & Burse)- they were both the best athletes on the field when we played them, and in fact, his WR Isaiah Burse received California HS football player of the decade in 2010.

  13. theworkhorsebackdotcom says: Apr 27, 2014 12:14 PM

    David Carr holds 2 of the top 3 spots on QBs who have taken the most sacks in a single season. I would hope that everyone learned something from those years.

  14. damcmp says: Apr 27, 2014 12:15 PM

    Carr didn’t have the instincts to play QB, in the pro level he is running out bounds BEHIND the line of scrimmage often….
    Wow McNair is admitting a Carr mistake, I thought he and that renowned actor and NFL beat writer John McClain thought it went great “Pick up that option!” MCNair has made a ton of mistakes from Boselli to Carr to Rick Smith not being a FORS you understand

  15. jjrs89 says: Apr 27, 2014 12:16 PM

    Fun fact of the day: David Carr has 2 Super Bowl rings

  16. fiyeaglesfiy says: Apr 27, 2014 12:17 PM

    In other words, the texans won’t be drafting Derek Carr

  17. infinitig says: Apr 27, 2014 12:17 PM

    Also the fact that even if you did sit David he really wasn’t a starting NFL caliber quarterback.

  18. harrisonhits2 says: Apr 27, 2014 12:18 PM

    Funny how owners and GMs who put terrible Olines out there to protect the QB never seem to get that it doesn’t matter who the QB is, could be Brady or Manning, they won’t play well if the Oline sucks.

    The game starts with the offensive and defensive lines. Houston needs to fix that before the worry about a QB.

  19. bassplucker says: Apr 27, 2014 12:18 PM

    That’s one thing the Jaguars got right. First pick of their entire franchise wasn’t a QB but a Pro Bowl caliber LT.

  20. 12444uggg says: Apr 27, 2014 12:19 PM

    With this class of Rookie QB’s I think you take a wait and see approach. Luck, Willson and RG3 showed some stuff in college that left me with a gut feeling that some of that would translate to the NFL immediately. Manziel is the only with that, but how much?

  21. don2074978 says: Apr 27, 2014 12:29 PM

    Very very low class to throw David Carr under the bus when he didn’t have an offensive line to protect him.

  22. damcmp says: Apr 27, 2014 12:37 PM

    This is Bob McNair the same guy who 1/3 of the way into the 2013 season after a few bad games(played and coached) he had Kubiak yank Schaub at QB (2 Pro bowls 1 pro bowl MVP(laughable as that might be) 12 wins in 2012) for a 2nd year practice squad player Case Keenum (jumped over T J Yates with regular season and playoff starts) with no NFL snaps. Then after the Dec game with Jags in a fit of anger at Kubiak for pulling Keenum and replacing him with Schaub in a effort to win a game, Fired Kubiak! The Texans owner, team publicity dept and fans are full of BS and hot air… So he flaps his gums to get in the media but he knows nothing and has learned nothing from Day 1

  23. noahbird says: Apr 27, 2014 12:48 PM

    So, they’re not drafting Derrick?

  24. paulallee says: Apr 27, 2014 12:49 PM

    Odd thing is that there still is no offensive line to speak of. Until we fix that gaping hole in our game, no QB will be successful.

  25. bcfalcon says: Apr 27, 2014 12:50 PM

    That 4 worded channel should’ve done a sports science on how long David Carr had in the pocket

  26. praetorian12 says: Apr 27, 2014 12:51 PM

    NONE of this year’s QBs grade out anywhere near Luck and RGIII. I don’t think ANY of them are worth of a top ten pick. Any team who needs a QB should be targeting one at the END of the first round or second round. Teams that pass on Clowney, Watkins, Robinson will be kicking themselves.

  27. iamdinguskhan says: Apr 27, 2014 12:52 PM

    Wow! He has more rings than Peyton, Bree’s and Rodgers.

  28. thestrategyexpert says: Apr 27, 2014 12:56 PM

    But if he had the protection then maybe he would have been fine and you didn’t need the veteran player. It sounds to me like McNair has no clue what he’s talking about and he’s just throwing around generalizations which are impossible to dispute. Of course you don’t want any player to play until they are ready, and some players are ready on day 1 and some are not. What happened with Carr might not be the destiny of another player in a similar situation anyhow. McNair is confused and just doesn’t understand this stuff and hopefully the people he has hired to make these decisions are a little more astute to figure out what to do.

  29. lionsandvikingsandbearsohmy says: Apr 27, 2014 12:59 PM

    the vikings will make that mistake for you.. again

  30. gbatap says: Apr 27, 2014 1:01 PM

    Could easily see this team taking Clowney at #1 and then moving back up into the 20-25 range to get another QB named Carr.

  31. rg3sus says: Apr 27, 2014 1:12 PM

    Charlie Casserly always says they ruined David Carr by having him play behind essentially 5 tight ends of an offensive line. Despite being beat badly, Carr did have some OK stats toward the end of his stint in Houston. Glad he ultimately settled in to a career backup and had some success

  32. trollhammer20 says: Apr 27, 2014 1:15 PM

    How about you draft a kid, bring him into camp, and give him an honest shot to compete for the starting job?

    If he is ready, let him play. If not, you have your veteran backup start until he’s ready.

    Doesn’t make sense to anoint anyone until you get them both into camp and see what they can do. Think it can’t work? The current world champions provide an object lesson which indicates otherwise.

  33. kd75 says: Apr 27, 2014 1:18 PM

    McNair isn’t throwing Carr under the bus.

    He’s is admitting that the Texans handled him wrong and put him behind a terrible O-Line with no weapons, to sink or swim.

    in 2002 the Texans weren’t really an NFL team. They were a roster full of cast-offs. This Texans team at least has some established players on it.

  34. revren10 says: Apr 27, 2014 1:32 PM

    David Carr still better then any Vikings qb or RG bust

  35. stexan says: Apr 27, 2014 1:33 PM

    That’s one thing the Jaguars got right. First pick of their entire franchise wasn’t a QB but a Pro Bowl caliber LT
    ———————————————————- Tony Boselli.
    And in 2002 McNair picked a badly injured Boselli in the expansion draft,. He never recovered, never played a down for the Texans. Which was one of the big reasons Carr got body slammed every time he dropped back.

  36. edog9897 says: Apr 27, 2014 1:35 PM

    Ryan tannehill had just as bad an offensive line and still managed. Carr was a bust and thats really all there is to it.

  37. boltjolt says: Apr 27, 2014 1:35 PM

    Carr had a horrible OL that then GM Charlie Casserly, now somehow is a a Analysis who failed miserably to get him a better one. Terrible GM he was. Much like Jerry Jones.

  38. boltjolt says: Apr 27, 2014 1:35 PM

    Carr had a horrible OL that then GM Charlie Casserly, now somehow is a Analysis who failed miserably to get him a better one. Terrible GM he was. Much like Jerry Jones.

  39. rohlo says: Apr 27, 2014 1:42 PM

    People McNair isn’t blaming carr.he is saying g it was their fault throwing him into the fire so quickly n not having a good veteran to learn fro. Nor a good offensive line.

  40. draftrobot says: Apr 27, 2014 1:57 PM

    Good QBs don’t get “wrecked”. Vinny Testaverde played on some of the least talented teams in NFL history with the Bucs and he was able to resume his career with better organizations.

    In 2006, Carr’s last year with the Texans, he was sacked 43 times. The very next year the Texans gave up 22 sacks. That’s not a coincidence. Carr simply had terrible pocket presence.

  41. texanfan62 says: Apr 27, 2014 2:08 PM

    No the pick should have been Julius Peppers, not David Carr, Bozo Bob!

  42. texanfan62 says: Apr 27, 2014 2:10 PM

    That’s why you pick Clowney or Khalil Mack, not a QB. Go get your QB in the 2nd round. Personally, I hope they pick Mack (looks like another Ray Lewis) then pick AJ McCarron or Zach Mettenberger in the 2nd round!

  43. whatjusthapped says: Apr 27, 2014 2:12 PM

    He’s right, when a team drafts a QB too high and he isn’t ready to play, it sets the team back at least 3 years. Just look at the Vikings.

  44. deafcone says: Apr 27, 2014 2:13 PM

    David Carr sucked. the OL wouldn’t have mattered.

  45. briang123 says: Apr 27, 2014 2:24 PM

    The most accurate thing I ever saw on ESPN was those NFL Draft promos where David Carr was standing there under center with no offensive line in front of him and the voice over asking “what does your team need?”

  46. artworkworld says: Apr 27, 2014 2:36 PM

    I have never seen a quarterback hold on to the ball longer than David Carr. He just wouldn’t throw the ball away when there wasn’t anything there. If you put Peyton Manning behind the line that Carr had, he would have had fewer than half as many sacks because the ball would have come out quickly. Complete the pass or throw it away, but don’t just hold it until you get sacked. I watched every game he played as a Texan & he was an accurate, tough, likable quarterback. He just had no pocket presence.

  47. dartwick says: Apr 27, 2014 2:38 PM

    I thought everyone knew that the Texans screwed up with car by not having an offensive line – it had little or nothing to do with playing too soon.

  48. jpat2424 says: Apr 27, 2014 2:44 PM

    A. O-line makes all the difference just ask Jay Cutler

  49. wishingtonredslur says: Apr 27, 2014 2:49 PM

    Your mistake wasn’t playing Carr, your mistake was putting a foosball style offensive line/turnstile in front of him.

  50. SAV says: Apr 27, 2014 3:02 PM

    2nd round you get your QB first pick you get ya freak!

  51. deafcone says: Apr 27, 2014 3:03 PM

    Carr did nothing everywhere he went. he wasn’t a 1st round QB, period.

  52. oldcracker says: Apr 27, 2014 3:41 PM

    The same thing happened to Couch in Cleveland, and has continued for the last 15 yrs.

    I don’t care if Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, or Dan Marino is your QB. If they spend the day running for their life or eating turf, what do you expect them to do??? That O-line is critical!!!

  53. ibreathefootball says: Apr 27, 2014 4:02 PM

    Aka we’re not taking Blake Bortles because his strength of schedule was just as crappy as David Carr’s at Fresno State.

  54. gary2525 says: Apr 27, 2014 4:07 PM

    No but Cleveland will….. Lol

  55. jeremycrowhurst says: Apr 27, 2014 4:36 PM

    So… you needed to learn that throwing a QB into the lineup with no O-line, and no starting-calibre WR or TE, would be bad? Good job, Bob.

    Sounds like he’s ready to blaze a new trail with all new mistakes.

  56. thegreatgabbert says: Apr 27, 2014 4:39 PM

    Don’t understand all the wailing and hair tearing over the David Carr situation. He started for the Texans for five years, had some decent seasons on a very bad team. They paid him nearly $50 million for his services over that time. It wasn’t like he was some one in a decade phenom coming out of college. He only had one good season, playing in a second rate college conference, as a 22 year old senior. Carr delivered exactly what you would expect from him. He’s still playing in the NFL, twelve years later, so what’s the beef?

  57. bluenose1965 says: Apr 27, 2014 7:09 PM

    Bosseli was drafted in the expansion draft with the agreement that if the Texans took him, the Jags would leave Gary Walker unprotected.

    Boselli was never going to play.

  58. wareagle1961 says: Apr 27, 2014 8:04 PM

    Season ticket holder for the Texans for the first 7 years. Saw every home game during that time. I watched Carr go from a young quarterback with a live arm to a shell-shocked shadow of himself.

  59. campcouch says: Apr 27, 2014 8:15 PM

    Rookie QBs that thrive do so when the team around them is at least solid.

  60. sopadegato says: Apr 27, 2014 8:18 PM

    As a Texans fan, I’m looking forward to drafting a higher profile Sam Montgomery in Jadeveon Clowney, because a guy with great athletics and attitude issues worked so well last time. I also look forward to like with Mario Williams, he inevitably leaves for another team because he’s just out to get paid, and promptly sinks into obscurity.

    I also look forward to drafting whatever second round scrub QBs are left (McCarron or Mettenberger) who will more than likely turn out to be about as good as 2013 Matt Schaub.

    You know, looking forward to it in that sort of “entertaining trainwreck” sort of way. I wonder how many teams will wind up getting burnt by that whole “Defense wins championships!” myth everyone’s spewing right now. Spoilers: the -least- talented QB to helm a championship team in the last decade plus? Joe Flacco. The others? Manning, Manning, Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Rothlisberger, and now Russell Wilson.

  61. jmblosser82 says: Apr 27, 2014 8:36 PM

    In today’s NFL a rookie QB can thrive, but he needs a lot if help. Big Ben had a lot if success early on, great defense and a solid running game helped him. Luck, Manning 2.0, great regular season QB but Struggles in the playoffs. Wilson, great running game and defense helped him win.

    Carr had no line, no weapons, and no defense. He was doomed to fail before he even started.

  62. evansvc says: Apr 27, 2014 8:39 PM

    “Bring in VINCE YOUNG” for a tryout…He is a LOW risk-HIGH reward type of guy… Vince is mobile— with talent and playoff experience…. He is motivated and determined to show he can play this game at a high level…. His career record of 31-19 tells you he knows how to WIN….
    Vince would be a wise choice for any GM/Head Coach looking to upgrade their quarterback pool….

  63. titansbro says: Apr 27, 2014 9:05 PM

    This franchise has bad 3 #1 picks in it’s short existence. I think repeating mistakes is what they’re all about.

  64. clintblairjr says: Apr 27, 2014 9:17 PM

    That was then and this is now most QBs are ready to play but if Oline sucks than you are going to have a disaster

  65. edavidberg says: Apr 27, 2014 9:28 PM

    Kubiak was a disaster last season as a play caller and decision-maker. Schaub and Kubiak together lost several games on their own at the start of the year (including the Seattle game which was equally on Kubiak for that ridiculous play call) and then for Kubiak to put Schaub back in after losing it earlier in the year was inexplicable. Surprised Kubiak lasted as long as he did there.

  66. jjackwagon says: Apr 27, 2014 9:28 PM

    Texans won’t repeat mistakes we made with David Carr

    Good…that means we can look forward to a brand new crop of mistakes.

  67. dragonrider2300 says: Apr 27, 2014 9:38 PM

    When the Texans had their first draft as an expansion team, they should have drafted a Left Tackle at the top of the 1st round, gotten a decent RB in the 2nd round, and signed a decent veteran QB to ‘hold the fort’ until year 2 or 3, when a ‘franchise’ QB would be drafted.

    Then just stock up the offensive line and offensive skill positions continually until the ‘franchise’ QB is brought in. Keep the vet QB to help the new QB learn how to play in the NFL for a year or so. It was a BIG mistake to draft a QB with their first pick ever, and have no team around him and no line protection. Carr never had a chance to succeed. Recall that the late QB Steve McNair sat on the bench for a year when he first joined the league – he turned out well with his career. We all know how long Aaron Rodgers warmed the bench (a couple years too long, as it turned out).

  68. clintblairjr says: Apr 27, 2014 10:07 PM

    Carr was terrible at reading def and recognizing blitzes. He was a strong arm QB who played in a weak confrence, not to mention not very mobile with a small frame. I agree he should of sat bc he was not a starter at the begining. His brother Derek needs to sit a few years to bc he will not be a good QB unless he sits a few yrs. Simple, Draft a QB who played and thrived in a tough conference for his entire collegiate career.

  69. lawyermalloy says: Apr 28, 2014 7:17 AM

    There is NO quarterback in this draft that is worthy of the first player taken in draft or can be a franchise QB right off the bat!

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