Ray Farmer open to trading for receiver, but doesn’t think he needs a “big-time” one

AP

The Browns have been adamant that they can survive without wide receiver Josh Gordon this season ever since news of Gordon’s possible year-long suspension first broke and it doesn’t look like anything is changing on that front.

During a Wednesday interview on 92.3 The Fan, Farmer admitted that he doesn’t know if the team will be able to adequately replace Gordon because “you’re not just going to go out on the street and find another” superstar wideout. But Farmer also said that he doesn’t think a superstar receiver is something that a team has to have in order to be successful.

“I would say ‘how important are those guys?”’ Farmer said, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “Name the last big-time receiver to win a Super Bowl. Name the last mega-guy. [Gordon] matters to me because I like the guy and I think he’s a really good player, but at the end of the day, when you look at the teams that have these mega-receivers, name the last guy that won a Super Bowl? … There are none. The last guy that really helped his team get there was T.O. [Terrell Owens].”

While the team isn’t better with Gordon on the sideline, it doesn’t hurt Farmer’s argument that the Browns went 4-12 with Gordon leading the league in receiving yards. Looking at that list of Super Bowl teams does hammer home the need for a high-quality quarterback in Cleveland, be it Johnny Manziel, Brian Hoyer or someone else.

Farmer said he’s open to trading for a wideout and that the team will “unearth every guy that’s available” to ensure they have a capable receiving corps. That group is unlikely to include Gordon or a reasonable facsimile, but Farmer and the Browns don’t look like they’ll use that as an excuse.

45 responses to “Ray Farmer open to trading for receiver, but doesn’t think he needs a “big-time” one

  1. this guy is an idiot! we don’t need a receiver and Manziel isn’t worth a crap but we drafted him #1. I think I can see what’s up in Cleveland. Ray Farmer is a joke

  2. The last guy that really helped his team get there was T.O. [Terrell Owens].”
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    He wants you to call him, I can assure you. That would actually be kind of cool.

  3. Um…I think some guy named Fitzgerald made several spectacular catches game after game to get his team to the Super Bowl and almost won it for them with his last TD run.

  4. Lol, Browns, we gave yal a.first rounder for Richardson, but yal still messed it up, haha

  5. He says theses kind of things while the NFL becomes more and more a passing league.

  6. This guy is trying so hard to show everyone he is in charge it’s pathetic to see his insecurity.

    The browns were showing signs of turning the corner. But no way they get over the jump with mr. insecurity running the show

  7. He’s kind of right but really good but not super star WR’s would help.

    13 Ravens – Boldin and Smith
    12 Giants – Nicks and Cruz
    11 Packers – Jennings
    10 Saints – Colston

    Please point to 1 WR on the Browns that would provide even half the production those guys provided for thier teams. Just 1 with the potential to do so….it’s not there. He may not need a superstar but only AP can run against 9 man fronts and get yards. They don’t have AP.

  8. AND the Seahawks may not have had a 1,000 plus yard receiver but Harvin would have and provided a pretty big spark in the super bowl.

  9. Great another GM that believes that success is dictated by who won the Super Bowl in the past and emulating what they did as opposed to figuring out what’s simply best for his team at this time which is not going to necessarily be the same for any other team at any other time juncture.

  10. So nice to hear from the Browns haters.

    Ray Farmer is the real deal. At the end of the year he wont say we lost Gordon so we lost the season.

    Farmer came into the job with a plan, he and Pettine refined it and now they are executing it.

    They are building a physical smash mouth, but modern era team. That’s what wins in the AFC North when you play outside in November and December.

    Gordon had an amazing year. The Browns will better with him than without him, but Farmer isn’t making excuses.

  11. Victor Cruz and Hines Ward? Not exactly who I think of as a mega/elite receiver in the NFL. They both are/were very solid targets for their teams, but they are more a product of who is throwing them the ball rather than an elite receiver. And neither was the #1 on their respected teams.

    I think Farmer and Pettine are doing a great job so far handling this offseason. Hopefully they know something that we all dont about the Gordon situation, but they need to prepare themselves for life without Gordon. And that life without him, will be a very run heavy offense using Shannhan’s zone block scheme. And having the best defense in the AFC North will help the Browns win games this year.

  12. What he meant was… browns are not super bowl contenders with our without gordon… it just came out wrong…

  13. The last guy that really helped his team get there was T.O. [Terrell Owens].”

    ________

    Aside from, you know, Reggie Wayne, Marvin Harrison, Randy Moss, Larry Fitz and Plaxico. Plus guys that weren’t quite dominant but still very productive like Ward (Future HOFer), Victor Cruz, Greg Jennings…

  14. patriots and seahawks proved that you dont need a stud Wr to win a SB. Good coaching and Defense is more a priority. Sure won’t mind Gordon being out there but what has Megatron won for the Lions …. nothing thats right nothing. If people are comparing Gordon to Megatron Browns will never win a Sb with him on the field. And no reason to bash Farmer he has been on the job for less than 5 months. We can’t put losing on the GM that has had one offseason and one draft. Lets wait and see in a few year how good these browns are.

  15. No, you might not NEED a super star, but if you are going to use a 1st round pick on a short, run around and chuck the ball, you might want to think about putting some talent around him.

    Right now, you could have Julio Jones, but you traded down. You could have had Sammy Watkins, but you traded down.

    You remind me of the Indians from the movie Major League. It is almost as if you are trying not to be successful.

  16. He’s right. Wide outs only touch the ball maybe 5-6 times on a good day. I think it’s important to have someone tall to catch jump balls in the red zone, but a great quarterback who can find the open man is much, much more important to team success than a star wide receiver.

    There are exceptions, but they are few and far between. Even the superstars of today probably don’t qualify.

  17. Hines WAS a Pro Bowler and the #1, even with Holmes and Wallace there. Hines drew the other teams #1 CB.

    Pro Bowls – 4
    All Pro – 3
    Super Bowl MVP – 1

    Not elite? Come on.

  18. “I would say ‘how important are those guys?”’ Farmer said, via Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. “Name the last big-time receiver to win a Super Bowl. Name the last mega-guy. [Gordon] matters to me because I like the guy and I think he’s a really good player, but at the end of the day, when you look at the teams that have these mega-receivers, name the last guy that won a Super Bowl? … There are none. The last guy that really helped his team get there was T.O. [Terrell Owens].”

    ____________

    The last guy, that helped his team get there, and helped his team win, and was the difference maker, was Santonio Holmes.

    From his goal line TD catch in the regular season game against the Felons, to his performance in the AFCDG vs SD, breaking that open, to his play in the SB on the last drive, it was him.

  19. A big name receiver is not necessary. You need big time players. That means guys that are willing to work their asses off. Just look at Seattle’s “pedestrian” crew of receivers. They worked their butts off and walked away with a Super Bowl ring. Two of them were UDFA’s. They’re damn good at what they do because they work hard at their craft.

    I’m surprised teams continue to draft WR’s and LB’s in the top 10. IMO the top 10 type of draftees are can’t miss QB’s, left tackles, and unstoppable DL’s. The rest are pieces of a puzzle.

  20. 2012 -Giants – Victor Cruz
    2011 – Packers – Greg Jennings
    2009 – Steelers – Hines Ward
    2007 – Marvin Harrison

    Yea, QB is important, course, ya ain’t got one of these either, Raymond.

  21. Farmer is right, but then again, he has to make excuses for why he stayed in Cleveland when he coulda had the Dolphins job, which in that case he wouldn’t be concerned about WRs. What I want to know is why, since the Browns found out about Gordon’s possible year-long suspension right after round 1 was over with in the draft, the Browns did not draft a WR period? (Unlike Miami, which has a good WR corps but still drafted 2 WRs).

  22. Farmer is right to some extent- the Seahawks just won the Super Bowl while playing most of the season with Golden Tate, Doug Baldwin, and Jermaine Kearse at receiver. It would have undoubtedly been an easier road for the Seahawks with better receivers, though. It’s frustrating to see the QB running around for 8 seconds waiting for a guy with average speed to break open somewhere. It really helps an offense to have a guy who reliably gets open.

    Then again, maybe Farmer is trying the Seahawks model out right now- strong defense, strong-armed QB who can extend the play, solid running game, average receivers.

  23. He’s 100% right. Gordon was almost non existent in the Brian Hoyer led victories for Cleveland and the inability to do anything other than air it out is probably the reason Brandon Weeden is now hoping to make the Cowboys this season instead of being the Browns starter as the passes that didn’t get caught by Gordon or Little were mostly intercepted. Gordon’s huge games were mostly when Jason Campbell was in and those losses can be more attributed to the defense failing than the offense sputtering (in other words the team shouldn’t have needed that production out of Gordon let alone get it and still loose).

    The Brian Hoyer to Jordan Cameron tandem (Cameron would be the other guy who caught passes in the pro bowl with a Cleveland Browns helmet that everyone seems to have forgotten about even though he scored in that game too) is what teams should look out for if Hoyer starts this season. If Manziel is the starter his scrambling ability should be able to get anyone open enough the the receiver position in Cleveland would just be plug and play.

    Bottom Line is Gordon was the main target during most of the Browns losses and Clevelands dependance on him has more to do with their lack of a running game than him being a superstar. If Kyle Shanahan does his job the Browns should have no problem winning without him since with him the last two seasons have only garnered 4 or 5 wins anyway.

  24. Reading these comments are unbearable. I like how everybody says that johnny is a bust? He hasn’t played a down and probably won’t for awhile. These are the same people that were jumping for joy when they drafted Brady quinn.
    Come talk to me in three years when we can actually make a judgment on how he’s done.
    Plus the Detroit Lions have been tearing it up with the best receiver in the league.

  25. 3-5 really solid receivers outweighs 1-2 really good ones. Otherwise, your game plan is shown and you end up passing to someone like Greg Little who will drop the ball more than catch it.

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