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Brady doesn’t care about stats other than wins

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Patriots quarterback Tom Brady recently has found himself in the center of a stat-centric argument over whether he’s still one of the best five quarterbacks in the game.  So what does Brady consider to be the more important statistic when evaluating a quarterback?

“Other than wins and losses?” he said, via Tom Curran of CSNNE.com.

Yes, Curran said.  And so Brady launched into a monologue that may or may not have answered the question.

“I think that people pay to watch the games on TV because there’s a scoreboard,” Brady explained. “I mean, I think that’s what it’s all about.  If there were no scoreboard, then people wouldn’t tune in and watch.  There’s only one stat that matters.  The competition in the NFL is very high, extremely high on a daily basis.  Some individuals compete against other guys and some compete against themselves so even if you don’t have someone you’re competing against, if you’re competing against yourself, you’re always gonna get better because there’s always competition.

“The guys that I’ve been around that find ways to motivate themselves, those are the best players.  They don’t have to wait for some Sunday in September to find out if they’re competitive.  You find that out in March.  You figure that out in February, at the end of February when no one else really is working.  The competition of what’s inside of you and how that’s gonna really help your team and build your team to be more competitive.  That’s all infectious. . . .

“You can’t sit here and compare one year to another year or compare this player to that player.  Winning games is the most important thing certainly for this organization and when you come here you learn that pretty quickly.  Whatever matters to you as an individual it’s far distant from what the team goals are.  And the team goal is one thing.  To score more points than the other team.”

So, basically, it’s wins and losses.  For a guy who hasn’t won the ultimate game in a decade, it’s hard to argue he’s still as good as the guy who won three in four years.  But the arguing over whether he’s as good as he used to be will continue for as long as Brady keeps playing, and beyond.

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91 Responses to “Brady doesn’t care about stats other than wins”
  1. thegreatgabbert says: Jun 9, 2014 4:01 PM

    “Actually, I’ve got so damn much money now, I don’t really care that much about the wins, either. But it’s nice when they happen.”.

  2. thefootballgodssay says: Jun 9, 2014 4:03 PM

    just like ELI MANNING

  3. briscocountyjr says: Jun 9, 2014 4:03 PM

    It’s a shame that his game degraded so much, I was hoping for the broncos pats rivalry to be a consistent attraction.

  4. weepingjebus says: Jun 9, 2014 4:04 PM

    A wise mindset that he will carry forward to his successful Presidential candidacy in 2036.

  5. txrawdog says: Jun 9, 2014 4:04 PM

    Manning Rodgers Brady and Brees are the Mt. Rushmore of QB’s in the NFL right now…everyone else is a level below those four

  6. stabb4444 says: Jun 9, 2014 4:05 PM

    That’s why he’s the greatest ever!

  7. billsbackto81 says: Jun 9, 2014 4:06 PM

    There’s a big difference between the guy that won 3 rings in 4 years and the guy who hasn’t won one in over a decade. Can anyone guess what that might be?

  8. Reynolds says: Jun 9, 2014 4:07 PM

    His stats aren’t as good as some other QBs because he’s unselfish in a lot of situations. He’ll gladly audible from a pass to a run if it means he’s got a better chance of converting. Many QBs throw goal-line fades, where Brady would rather hand it off. His acumen between the ears is better than it ever was, and that’s why he’s still top 5.

  9. crownofthehelmet says: Jun 9, 2014 4:08 PM

    That’s the talk of a QB who’s success has been aided way beyond his OK skill set. And when that aid stopped, 0 SB wins.

  10. Pat says: Jun 9, 2014 4:09 PM

    Ironically, Brady probably wasn’t a top 5 QB for any of the Super Bowls they did win.

  11. rutledge3197 says: Jun 9, 2014 4:09 PM

    Greatest …. Really….. No

  12. thepftpoet says: Jun 9, 2014 4:10 PM

    Teddy Bridgewater will have a better career when it’s all said and done.

    Skol.

  13. CKL says: Jun 9, 2014 4:11 PM

    Look he’s not physically what he used to be, I can buy that 100%. I think he started protecting himself more after his 2008 ACL injury. But this constant rehashing of his”elite or not elite” status by the media is silly. He’s certainly never a) thrown one pick six in a super bowl let alone two b) had a 30 plus point loss in a SB ever , let alone after having had a record breaking offense in the regular season. So where are these “over the hill not elite anymore” articles about Manning ? Sure he put up crazy stats, but he had crazy talent on offense, like he always does. Yes I get that he makes guys better, but DT would make (and has made) any Qb’s job easier.

    TB took a beating last year as well has having to break in a bunch of new guys. Now that he’s older, that’s not going to be as easy to overcome. But 75 % of TB is still an elite player. And he’s definitely over 75% of what he was in his younger years. And when he isn’t the best option, he knows he won’t be the Pats QB anymore. And that’s one thing I love about Brady. He will never ever feel he deserves a single thing based on his past performances. That makes him similar to most HOF level players…not at all.

  14. rutledge3197 says: Jun 9, 2014 4:12 PM

    It’s called living in the past….

  15. dallascowboysdishingthereal says: Jun 9, 2014 4:12 PM

    Did he just respond by saying, “scoreboard!”?

  16. 6ball says: Jun 9, 2014 4:13 PM

    .

    If you’re only judging a quarterbacks success by Super Bowl victories, then Dan Marino was a colossal failure.

    You can’t win a Super Bowl without a supporting cast. Look at the number of key contributors to the Seahawks success. It’s hardly just the Russell Wilson show.

    .

  17. reporterofthetruth says: Jun 9, 2014 4:19 PM

    What’s to disagree with? Brady just educated the stats crowd.

  18. emmettotter says: Jun 9, 2014 4:21 PM

    I would rather have Roethlisberger than Brees and maybe Rodgers.

  19. grogantomorgan says: Jun 9, 2014 4:24 PM

    Outside of some troll comments some are just totally off-base. Give TB the weapons PM has and he’d have a career year too.

    When all’s said and done it comes down to wins and losses … someone educate us on which team has the highest winning percentage over the last 10,9,8,7,6,5 years … I think you get it !

    Just saying

  20. jnbnet says: Jun 9, 2014 4:25 PM

    For all you haters out there, lighten up and enjoy watching two of the greatest ever before its too late.
    Brady and Maning won’t be around for much longer. Enjoy it while you can.

  21. kghia75 says: Jun 9, 2014 4:26 PM

    People who think he is declining havent seen what he has to play with each year through adversity and constantly developing chemistry with either new or young players.

    He havent had half the talent Manning, Brees and Rodgers had and once he did we know about the records.

    I dont think there ever will be a competitor like him that has risen above all adversities from having limited physical tools and support casts for years and still performing at the level he does is simply amazing.

  22. janvanflac says: Jun 9, 2014 4:28 PM

    I am not a Pats fan but you would have to be on drugs not to admit that TB is still one of the top QBs in the league. He has gotten his team to the playoffs year in, year out for as long as I can remember, even when they are down to street free agents in the secondary or when he has no WRs to throw to and only blocking TEs on the roster.

  23. ibreathefootball says: Jun 9, 2014 4:29 PM

    How good is a team? Look at their WINS.

    How good is a player? Look at his STATS (can be inflated or deflated based on how good others are around you).

  24. yeahitsme72 says: Jun 9, 2014 4:32 PM

    Brady’s will to win and execution when the world is crumbling around him is second to none.

    He will bookend his career with back to back championships. The Pats have been knocking on the door with a substandard D for years.

    Now that the Defense is put back together it’s end of the line for all these pretenders. Back to back, write it down.

  25. patssox says: Jun 9, 2014 4:38 PM

    >>For a guy who hasn’t won the ultimate game in a decade, it’s hard to argue he’s still as good as the guy who won three in four years.<<

    Nonsense. You just conflated TEAM and INDIVIDUAL, something Tom was trying to avoid.

    Winning the ultimate game – and all the games necessary to get there – requires a complete team effort.

  26. thetooloftools says: Jun 9, 2014 4:41 PM

    Brady is lethal. His preparation and game day focus is the stuff of legends. If they even had a little better D he may have another ring.

  27. sambaughslingers says: Jun 9, 2014 4:42 PM

    In Tom Brady’s career, he has been to at least to the AFC Championship game more times than not getting that far. Obviously you want to win the SB every year, but that’s not realistic in the NFL today. As a Patriot fan I am spoiled by the fact that over the past ten seasons I have been able to watch my team play up until at least the AFC Championship game six times. If I go farther than ten years back even better. Its been a fun ride!

    Only seven of the other 31 teams have won a Super Bowl since Brady has. And just for the record, Peyton Manning has 0 Super Bowl wins since Spygate.

  28. chrisjohnston10 says: Jun 9, 2014 4:43 PM

    The Pats have been to the AFC Finals in each of the last 3 seasons. What other QB has led their team to that?

  29. pastabelly101 says: Jun 9, 2014 4:49 PM

    Greatest winning percentage BY FAR of any player, QB or otherwise in the History of the NFL- The only stat that matters!!!

  30. jacktheraven says: Jun 9, 2014 4:55 PM

    Now, maybe everyone understands why I defend Joe Flacco. It’s ONLY the wins that count. Smartest thing Brady ever said.

  31. mattwalshvideo says: Jun 9, 2014 4:56 PM

    He’s still competing against Spygate and Spygate alone, it kills both he and Belicheat they’ve never won without cheating.

  32. tennesseeoilers says: Jun 9, 2014 4:58 PM

    Exactly. That’s why Brady won his first Super Bowl MVP while throwing for less than 200 yards. He protected the ball, made smart decisions, was clutch and did what he had to do to win. In this way, Russell Wilson reminds me a lot of him …

    - Titans Fan

  33. bengalsucker says: Jun 9, 2014 5:02 PM

    Maybe someone should forward this to Andy Dalton. All he cares about are his personal stats and ranks himself among the best QB’s to ever play the game. Therefore he wants elite QB money. Yet he chokes when he plays a good opponent and/or in a big game. Wish all QB’s had Tom Brady’s thought process.

  34. blue18hutthutt says: Jun 9, 2014 5:03 PM

    Please spare me the “Brady has never had half the weapons Manning has had” it’s both disingenuous and a flat out LIE

    In 2007 Brady had Moss, Welker and 3 Pro Bowl offensive linemen and like Manning’s Broncos, after setting offensive records produced the lowest scoring output of the season

    In 2011 Brady had two All Pro TEs, Welker (and the Patriots collectively led the league in YAC – something Pats trolls love to point out for Manning to insinuate he’s being carried by his supporting cast) 4 Pro Bowl linemen and again despite being the #1 scoring offense produced their lowest output of the season

    The hypocrisy and blind homerism for Brady on this site is sickening

  35. iamdinguskhan says: Jun 9, 2014 5:03 PM

    SCORRREBOARD! SCORRRREBOARD! SCORRREBOARD! SCORRRREBOARD!

  36. uglydingo says: Jun 9, 2014 5:09 PM

    I hate him but I also rate him as the greatest QB of all time. Last year he did it with Julian Edelman as his top receiver.
    Patriots fans have been spoiled for the past 15 years and they don’t know it.

  37. jimjets says: Jun 9, 2014 5:11 PM

    Aw, isn’t everything he says and does just so perfect!! Why, it’s the Patriot Way!!!

    And I’m being serious here, anybody have his public comments on the cheating? Really, what did he ever answer about that?

  38. eoyguy says: Jun 9, 2014 5:14 PM

    I love the brain dead folks that continue to bring up “spygate” and say they haven’t won since and its the only reason they won those 3 SB’s. So you are telling me that spygate helped them win the Superbowl and nothing else? Because since then, they have still made it to 2 SB’s. Won their conference how many times? Made the playoffs how many times? Won how many playoff games? Yet the naysayers say they only won the SB’s because they were cheating? So which is it, they re still “cheating” and it no longer wins them the SB, or somehow they are winning everything except the SB because they aren’t cheating? Please clarify for me.

  39. nickster31 says: Jun 9, 2014 5:14 PM

    Im a Steelers fan, and without question, if I had to choose between Brady and Manning, at ANY stage of their careers, I would choose Brady EVERY TIME!

    Fact is, fantasy football junkies like Manning because of his stats. In fantasy, Manning is better.

    But in real life, when the game is on the line, Brady is the better player. Just like with Ben for his career, he isnt top 5 because he doesnt have the stats as Manning, Rodgers or Brees. With the game on the line, I would take Ben, because the pressure doesnt break him.

  40. casurferho says: Jun 9, 2014 5:29 PM

    I started watching football because of Joe Montana. I have been blessed to watch Brady as well! He and Montana are the greatest of all time! No other argument, bottom line , Manning is probably more talented , just not as clutch in bigger moments!! As a Vikings fan, I was blessed to have the Randy Moss years and Chris carter years, Adrian Peterson years, but without a QB , it has not brought a Super Bowl, i have got to watch a ton of Pats football and it has been a killer ride!!!

  41. gacoltfan says: Jun 9, 2014 5:30 PM

    I don’t doubt he believes that at all, but please show me the first player that says “it’s all about the stats, wins and losses mean nothing”. Now that would be news. This is just the same thing any player would say.

  42. realnflmaster says: Jun 9, 2014 5:31 PM

    This guy hasn’t won anything in over ten years, and the last time he won anything his teams were caught CHEATING.

    LOL. No Championships for NE since inception.

  43. RE LEE says: Jun 9, 2014 5:31 PM

    Brady is the most relevant QB judging from how the wags just can’t seem to stop brewing controversies. The other QB’s must be feeling left out.— Brady will forgo padding stats to win. He puts his team ahead of himself and his most brutal competitor is himself. Even his opponents know that.

  44. johnnyquick says: Jun 9, 2014 5:32 PM

    ……even if I stole the other team’s plays.

  45. truthfactory says: Jun 9, 2014 5:32 PM

    Look he’s not physically what he used to be, I can buy that 100%. I think he started protecting himself more after his 2008 ACL injury. But this constant rehashing of his”elite or not elite” status by the media is silly. He’s certainly never a) thrown one pick six in a super bowl let alone two b) had a 30 plus point loss in a SB ever , let alone after having had a record breaking offense in the regular season. So where are these “over the hill not elite anymore” articles about Manning ? Sure he put up crazy stats, but he had crazy talent on offense, like he always does. Yes I get that he makes guys better, but DT would make (and has made) any Qb’s job easier.
    —–

    So somehow, Brady has his worst statistical year in a decade and loses to Peyton in a playoff game, and in your mind it’s a feather in the cap for Brady?? Brady had a similar year to Alex Smith. Good running game, opportunistic defense, and efficient QB play. No one is praising Alex Smith for being a great QB last year.

    I think it’s hilarious that Manning has “always had great weapons”. Yet when Manning missed a year his awesome “weapons” went 2-14… When Brady missed a year, his lack of weapons went 11-5.

    Let me guess, this playoff game wasn’t “fair” because Peyton had the better team. Really??? Were you saying that in the 2000′s when Brady was winning with a superior team?? Of course not, back then it must have been about the QB… NOW that the roles have reversed, it’s about the overall team. Gotcha ; )

  46. tigerlilac says: Jun 9, 2014 5:33 PM

    Al Davis, despite the tuck game, must have loved Brady because he lived Davis’ motto: “Just win, baby.”

  47. iamdinguskhan says: Jun 9, 2014 5:36 PM

    The goal in the game of football is to win. Tom is one of the best ever at winning. End of story

  48. dickshotdogs says: Jun 9, 2014 5:45 PM

    Yeah, you’re right. We Patriot fans have no idea how blessed we are to have Tom Brady. SMH

  49. tigerlilac says: Jun 9, 2014 5:51 PM

    I have watched virtually every snap and pass Brady has taken and thrown in an NFL game. He protects the ball better than any QB that has played the game. You almost never see Brady overthrow a receiver with a DB behind him. He throws to the numbers or lower. He doesn’t throw jump balls (he stopped doing that when Moss left; he actually took too many risks when throwing to Randy). He steps up in the pocket when there is backside pressure as if he had eyes in the back of his head. When sacked, he has an amazing record of keeping possession of the ball whereas guys like Eli and Romo are prone to fumble. Almost all of his picks are in desperate situations when he is taking risks he would not normally take (e.g., with a half or game ending).

  50. finsblood13 says: Jun 9, 2014 6:00 PM

    Get ready to get spanked in Miami Brady boy!!

  51. Robert Chandler says: Jun 9, 2014 6:03 PM

    I guess I am a sentimental fan. Here is what I would like to see before I die: Brady win another Super Bowl; Tiger Woods win another Masters in dominating fashion; and Mike Tyson return to knock some punk into the first row seats…. one more time, for ol’ times sake.

    Brady is a great pro, one of history’s best-ever QBs. When healthy, Tiger Woods schooled a lot of wannabes on how to out-will the competition; and Iron Mike Tyson used to psyche out and then annihilate guys who were bigger, had greater reach, and more experience. These guys were inspirational at how they performed on their best days. I still believe Tom Brady can perform at the highest level, and if they ever put a complete TEAM around him, a lot of these “Spygate” morons will have to eat their words. It will happen.

  52. moondog7 says: Jun 9, 2014 6:11 PM

    Brady’s Accuracy as well as Peyton’s Arm Strength are in decline. Its obvious when watching. Hopefully they can hold on another 5 years and keep giving us all the best we’ve ever seen. It’s been a pleasure watching them go at it. Nothing Better than Peyton vs Brady in the playoffs.

  53. iangas33 says: Jun 9, 2014 6:11 PM

    I hear that winning is a lot easier WHEN YOU SPY ON OTHER TEAMS

  54. mitchfla says: Jun 9, 2014 6:12 PM

    “It’s a shame that his game degraded so much, I was hoping for the broncos pats rivalry to be a consistent attraction”
    That’s funny! Did you miss last season? They split games last year, Pats won the first game , Broncos won the second (with most of the Pats starters out). Just sayin. Gotta remind Broncos fans. And we all know what happened in the Super Bowl . I guess Broncos fans should worry about their teams rivalry against any team in the NFL after that embarrsment of a performance . All I do know as a fan who does rember the season the Pats would have never been embarrassed like that. Fact. I love all these bandwagon Broncos fans over the last 2 years. When you win something start quacking, when your as successful as the Pats over the next 9 years let me know. When you dominate for a whole decade like the Pats have put your 2 cents in on a sports blog. The Broncos will be lucky to be competitive next year, they’re paying way too much for half the team.

  55. whatjusthapped says: Jun 9, 2014 6:17 PM

    Brady is a good Qb, maybe a great qb when he is aided by the videotaping but since that stopped, he’s been a good Qb.

    See the difference?

  56. dickshotdogs says: Jun 9, 2014 6:28 PM

    Yeah, okay, The Dolphins have The Patriots quakin’ in their boots.

  57. fetts81 says: Jun 9, 2014 6:41 PM

    If you look at the stats for a career he’s right there! People forget the lack luster crew he dragged to the AFC title game… That same roster that beat #18 that chilly night in November. 1 thing I DO know… Is the best qb’s in history don’t get their ass handed to them like 18 did against the hawks… Especially with that offence

  58. logast says: Jun 9, 2014 6:43 PM

    The manner in which “Spygate” lives in the heads of so many here is downright comical.

    Compare your favorite team against the Pats after “Spygate”. Who has the better record? Which team has won their division more? Which team has made the playoffs more? Which team has MADE it to the Super Bowl more?

  59. isphet71 says: Jun 9, 2014 6:44 PM

    Hate on Brady if you want because it’s your right and maybe even moral obligation if he keeps beating your team every year, but no QB in the league does more with less help around him on a yearly basis than Brady.

    Brady is the Ultimate Team Guy, and if anyone in the league could get away with being selfish and taking the spotlight, it’s Brady.

  60. realnflmaster says: Jun 9, 2014 7:00 PM

    Which team has LOST the Super Bowl more? Jajajajaja

  61. briscocountyjr says: Jun 9, 2014 7:29 PM

    “I guess Broncos fans should worry about their teams rivalry against any team in the NFL after that embarrsment of a performance .”

    umm, The Pats only managed 6 points vs Cinci… then managed only 9 points against a Lions team that didn’t have a secondary. Ooops, sounds like an emo response there buddy boy.

  62. briscocountyjr says: Jun 9, 2014 7:30 PM

    Any team can have a rough outing, patsies no different.

  63. kissbillsrings says: Jun 9, 2014 7:43 PM

    I’m just glad to be a Patriots fan & feel especially blessed to have Brady as our QB… Been a fan since the Grogan to Morgan years so I know what pain is…I am gonna be major league bummed when Brady retires or God forbid traded for Draft picks after his current contract runs out in 4 yrs….I’m excited about Garroppolo & him getting to learn under both Brady & BB…. Hopefully he is the future of the franchise but I guess time will tell… Not foolish enough to think he’s another Brady as guys like him are once in a decade if not longer but I hope he’s close!!!!
    GO PATS!!!

  64. jimjets says: Jun 9, 2014 7:47 PM

    I was actually serious Pats fans. Look u guys ate the greatest ever and “Bill” is a terrific likable guy. What did Brady ever say on record about the cheating?

  65. nolasoxfan2012 says: Jun 9, 2014 8:12 PM

    As a Pats and Brady fan, last year was a little difficult to watch. Without any serious downfield threats or studs who could beat solid man-to-man (other than Gronk for a few games), Brady was reduced to dinking and dunking down the field to a bunch of smurfs and street free agents. On some of the biggest plays of the year, his receivers were a collection of ragamuffins that Belichick picked up off of waivers or as undrafted free agents. Somehow, they still managed to win 12 games, with Brady picking up five 4th quarter comebacks. Without a weird call at NYJ and a picked up flag in NC, it could have easily been 14 wins and six or seven 4th quarter comebacks. That’s pretty impressive.

  66. tattooit says: Jun 9, 2014 8:19 PM

    JEEEZZZZZ. How many times a week are you going to remind everyone that Brady isn’t as good as he was 10years ago? Really Mike? Is ANYONE (outside of Bernard Hopkins) close to the athlete they were 10 years ago? No. And that includes Peyton. Put Manning on the Patriot team last season and do you think he gets them anywhere close to the AFC championship game?? NO CHANCE. This Brady is all done nonsense is laughable.

  67. rainsarge says: Jun 9, 2014 8:25 PM

    Brady won 3 SB with ground and pound ball control solid special team defensive teams and lost 2 with high flying spread offenses.
    The last 2 SB winners featured defensive teams for all the nonsense about RB position being dead. Tell it to Ray Rice or Marshawn Beast Mode Lynch or the Packers who went out and got Lacy. This is the NFL you have to be able to run in Dec and Jan.

  68. wildbillsrodeo says: Jun 9, 2014 9:26 PM

    Haters gonna hate!

  69. bobzilla1001 says: Jun 9, 2014 10:00 PM

    I enjoy Steelers fans when the names Brady and Manning pop up. They actually try to convince themselves that Roethlisberger belongs in the same conversation.
    Nickster posted something about with the game on the line he’d take “Ben” (most Steelers fans can’t spell their superhero’s last name). Well, the game was “on the line” in Super Bowl 45, and the game was “on the line” in Denver in the ’11 playoffs. How’d those games turn out?
    It’s been a long time since Roethlisberger has done anything when an important game’s been “on the line.”
    But it’s soooo much fun to pretend.

  70. bornahawker says: Jun 9, 2014 10:31 PM

    All that matters is wins. Ask Fouts or Marino or Kelly or Tarkenton, u get the picture!
    Go Hawks!
    Super Bowl Champions!!!!!!

  71. securb2013 says: Jun 9, 2014 11:08 PM

    Pat’s fans say he is the greatest of all time but he can’t beat Eli.

  72. charger383 says: Jun 9, 2014 11:22 PM

    I would take Brady over any other QB I have seen

  73. bullcharger says: Jun 10, 2014 12:11 AM

    6ball says:
    Jun 9, 2014 4:13 PM
    .

    If you’re only judging a quarterbacks success by Super Bowl victories, then Dan Marino was a colossal failure.

    ————

    Marino was a colossal failure. He could throw the ball sure, but losing is failing. Brady has the best winning percentage of any QB ever. You can say it is team sport, but throwing it a bunch and not getting the points to win is the same as doing nothing and losing. Stats only matter if they also come with wins.

  74. bullcharger says: Jun 10, 2014 12:15 AM

    Brady is better now then he was in 2001, 2002, 2003, 2008 and 2009. It’s not even close. Brady was great in 2004-2007 and then the knee and then in 2010 he was unanimous MVP. Don’t tell me he isn’t better now then when he managed the game in 2001-2003. He’s way better. Manning had neck surgery and broke every record last year. Brady could do the same this year. He hasn’t degraded much and the game is all about throwing now.

  75. bullcharger says: Jun 10, 2014 12:26 AM

    billsbackto81 says:
    Jun 9, 2014 4:06 PM
    There’s a big difference between the guy that won 3 rings in 4 years and the guy who hasn’t won one in over a decade. Can anyone guess what that might be?

    ——–

    He went to two other Super Bowls and was favoured and only lost by 7 combined. He won the other 3 by 9 points. He could have won or lost any of those games. They weren’t blow outs. One play either way won or lost all of them and the plays were there for both teams. Samuel catches an easy INT and they win in 2007. A missed two point conversion and they probably lose in 2003. Getting to the game so many times is impressive. Not winning the big one in 10 years matters, but barely. Brady has done plenty of winning. Since 2004 he’s been to 5 more AFC championship and 2 Super Bowls. He might still get his 4th. You never know what will happen.

  76. bullcharger says: Jun 10, 2014 12:42 AM

    blue18hutthutt says:
    Jun 9, 2014 5:03 PM
    Please spare me the “Brady has never had half the weapons Manning has had” it’s both disingenuous and a flat out LIE

    In 2007 Brady had Moss, Welker and 3 Pro Bowl offensive linemen and like Manning’s Broncos, after setting offensive records produced the lowest scoring output of the season

    In 2011 Brady had two All Pro TEs, Welker (and the Patriots collectively led the league in YAC – something Pats trolls love to point out for Manning to insinuate he’s being carried by his supporting cast) 4 Pro Bowl linemen and again despite being the #1 scoring offense produced their lowest output of the season

    The hypocrisy and blind homerism for Brady on this site is sickening

    ————

    Can’t argue about 2007…. Of course Brady went 16-0 and was a defensive stop away from going undefeated when he had the great team. Not too bad. In 2008, that pro bowl line let Cassel be sacked twice as often and lose 5 more regular season games than Brady did the year before. It was a great team, but with Brady they were almost legendary.

    Sure he had a good team in 2011. They went to the Super Bowl. What about 2006 when they had bums. He should have won that year too. Huge lead on the colts with the crappy Bears waiting. He wins with anyone and when he has the great players he completely dominates.

  77. sdchicken says: Jun 10, 2014 1:45 AM

    No offense to Julian Edelman who I admire as a player who overachieves, but he wouldn’t even start for the Jaguars, and that was the Patriots best WR last year. It amazes me that the Pats win their division every year and make it to the AFC Championship with little offensive talent other than Brady. He is amazing and I think we will all look back at him, Peyton, Brees and be thankful we got to witness their greatness.

  78. filthymcnastyog says: Jun 10, 2014 2:08 AM

    It’s crazy. Brady wins everything. The game of football and the game of life.

  79. bospat says: Jun 10, 2014 6:06 AM

    @bactobillwhatever. you mean a defense? which
    he hasn’t had since 05? He’s done more with less talent
    then Any Qtbk out there..one year they were the best offensively
    and lost on a fluke play to the Giants..other than that they
    were good teams with glaring holes on defense and 1b/2a players
    all through roster…division and Brady/Bel took them as far as they could go…

  80. jimjets says: Jun 10, 2014 6:24 AM

    Since no pats fan will comment I googled it and couldn’t find anything did Brady never comment on the cheating ?

  81. sportsfan18 says: Jun 10, 2014 8:34 AM

    First, I’m a huge Peyton fan…

    Now that’s out of the way…

    Tom is one of the all time greats…

    Overall, not EACH season, he’s had a very good team around him that does help. Matt Cassell’s stats the year he ran the Pats were very good, better than his other stats.

    Now, Matt is NOT as good of a QB as Tom is and we all know that. That’s NOT my point. My point is that Matt’s careers stats would be better than they are had he played QB every year for the Pats.

    As good as Tom’s numbers are, his numbers wouldn’t be as good if he had been QB’ing the Raiders or the Browns…

    Had Tom been the QB for the Browns, they would have done better than they have over the years for sure but they would NOT have the record that the Pats have had with Tom at QB…

    Football is a team sport and while Tom is great, he is not the whole team.

    Neither is Peyton. Context is important.

    Last point. Tom WAS in a place to thrive and what did he do with the opportunity?

    He took it and ran with it…

    He’s an all time great.

    Signed a huge Peyton fan.

    P.S. of course he’s declining… ALL athletes do as Father Time is undefeated and Tom isn’t a spring chicken anymore.

    That is NOT a knock on Tom as no one escapes Father Time.

    Also, Father Time comes at slightly different times for different people… at some point regardless of how dedicated one is, how hard they work, train, prepare, want it, care etc… they still succumb to Father Time…

  82. swagger52 says: Jun 10, 2014 9:10 AM

    Of course he only cares about wins…He plays in the AFC East. He is guaranteed 5-6 wins a year for almost his entire career as that division is so weak.

    How what is Tom’s record when he plays a real defense? What are Tom’s stats when he plays a Ravens defense or a defense that had a Raven’s coach as a start? Oh…no wonder he only wants to consider W & Ls.

  83. swagger52 says: Jun 10, 2014 9:13 AM

    BTW…Stop with the self-righteousness on stats.
    Just like the fans…they had a SCOREBOARD that was just Ray Lewis countdown to retirement. Ray ended that ceremony with kicking Tom out of contention at Patriots in January.

    Stop just stop with the self-righteousness. You and your fans care about stats.

  84. swagger52 says: Jun 10, 2014 9:16 AM

    How many times do we have to endure this as a fan?

    The National Media serves up a softball to the Patriots and or Brady so that they can indirectly say how great they are?

    I suppose we will have more of this now, because Brady can’t throw a pass to the outside to his WR. He can only throw to Slot Receivers and TEs. Therefore, we have to have the National Media pumping up Tom Brady.

  85. tedmurph says: Jun 10, 2014 10:13 AM

    Easy AFC East standings: AFC N (wicked haaad):
    Pats 12-4 Bengals 11-5
    Jets 8-8 Steelers8-8
    Miami 8-8 Ravens 8-8
    Bills 6-10 Cleve 4-12

    Brady’s rec against ‘real’ Ravens D: 7-3
    Brady’s rec against Ravens coache’s D(Jets): 7-4

    Never let facts get in the way of a good story. Softballs are served up for the haters, not for Pats fans who already know how great Brady is. GOAT.

  86. jimjets says: Jun 10, 2014 11:23 AM

    did any of the current or former pats or the head coach or owner ever comment publicly on the cheating?

    pats fans can you help me out here?

  87. tedmurph says: Jun 10, 2014 11:34 AM

    Why would they? Breaking a rule isn’t cheating. Consider yourself helped.

  88. crownofthehelmet says: Jun 10, 2014 12:06 PM

    “Breaking a rule isn’t cheating.”

    Huh?

  89. patriots87 says: Jun 10, 2014 12:12 PM

    jimjets says: Jun 10, 2014 11:23 AM

    did any of the current or former pats or the head coach or owner ever comment publicly on the cheating?

    pats fans can you help me out here?
    —————————-
    Belichick had a lengthy interview with CBS, I believe, and addressed what is now infamously known as Spygate.

    I think he was very open and up front about it, but obviously i’m biased

  90. TheWizard says: Jun 10, 2014 12:30 PM

    You know, if Bill wants to tape the other teams’ defensive signals he still can.

    Just not from sideline level, which is the rule he violated.

  91. lanman11 says: Jun 10, 2014 2:42 PM

    All of this attention that has appeared out of thin air that focuses on whether Tom Brady is any good at playing QB these days is a product of the Manning Hype Machine, headed by Archie Manning. Peyton just had his doors blown off yet again in a big game, and rather than allow the media to be focused on that, they’ve created a brush fire to draw the attention away from Peyton so he can get over his most recent big game loss, and at the same time, create an off season distraction for his biggest competitor. The Manning’s have so many compliant lackey’s in the media it is pathetic. We’ve seen it for years. I’m sure the hope is to get Brady to focus more on numbers than wins. I doubt that will happen at this stage of his career. If anyone knows the value of wins it’s Brady. Still, I have no idea why someone in the media can’t see through this garbage and focus the attention where it needs to be, i.e. is Peyton’s arm strength to blame for yet another Broncos Super Bowl blowout loss? Would a stronger armed QB have done more with that offense in the Super Bowl?

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