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Former Bucs guard says Greg Schiano should get another shot

Davin Joseph, Greg Schiano AP

The Buccaneers were obviously a mess last year.

But not everyone is willing to blame it all on former coach Greg Schiano.

Longtime Bucs guard Davin Joseph, about to go to camp with the Rams after eight years in Tampa Bay, said he thinks Schiano will get another chance.

He will get another shot,” Joseph told Kevin O’Donnell of FOX 13. “A lot of coaches go down the same path. You’re given a direction. He was given a direction when he came here. He executed it well. To me he executed it very well. He did exactly what they asked him to do. Things just didn’t pan out.”

Schiano was fired after going 7-9 and 4-12 in his two seasons, so it’s hard to tell what went “really well” in Joseph’s estimation.

“We just didn’t have the right chemistry last year,” Joseph said. “It takes a lot to be a great team. You see how hard it is with a rotating door with players and coaches to really get a team that has a great core. That was something we weren’t able to develop here in Tampa.”

Of course, a lot of players thought Schiano was part of the problem with that chemistry. If he’s going to pull a Bill Belichick and turn his career around after a bad first act, he’s going to have to learn to work with pros.

Or fall into Tom Brady.

 

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26 Responses to “Former Bucs guard says Greg Schiano should get another shot”
  1. bassplucker says: Jul 15, 2014 4:50 PM

    Delete “another” from that headline and you’re closer to it.

  2. maestro1899 says: Jul 15, 2014 4:53 PM

    “….so it’s hard to tell what went “really well” in Joseph’s estimation.”
    —————————————————————

    How about anything that didn’t involve Josh Freeman?

  3. thestrategyexpert says: Jul 15, 2014 5:04 PM

    It’s very tough to judge a coach when they aren’t paired up with a quality GM that gives them a solid chance and foundation. You need to have that in place first, then you have a test for a coach that can be sensibly graded.

  4. milkmandanimal says: Jul 15, 2014 5:05 PM

    No. Just no. Also, no. Seriously, call the medical staff now. Head to the helmet? Guy stumbling around, unable to walk the sideline? Passed out on the field? No way. None of that says “I require immediate evaluation for a serious head injury” as much as saying “Greg Schiano did an OK job” does.

  5. bucsorbust says: Jul 15, 2014 5:25 PM

    Davin is flat wrong. Schiano’s role was not to create U.S. Marines. People focus on Schiano’s task to restore discipline but it was always to win in the process. You can’t win without discipline, but you can have discipline and never win a thing. Schiano had the talent on the team, but couldn’t lead it, couldn’t coach it. Good family man for sure, but the NFL is not for him.

  6. bucsorbust says: Jul 15, 2014 5:30 PM

    The players gave Schiano a shot. They bought in. But eventually what he was selling they quit buying, and they quit listening. Fault the players or fault the coach, but it’s squarely the coach to lead and get the most out of the team. When the players were buying in, he was 6-4…then they quit buying. They lost six straight to end 2012, then opened to lose another 8 in 2013. Season ticket holder here, and it was awful to take. Might I add, Davin threw it all away too…he cold have led, but failed. So he’s gone too. And let’s not even get into the Freeman saga… So glad it’s over. The RayJay will bleed Red and Pewter in 2014.

  7. bassplucker says: Jul 15, 2014 5:32 PM

    The coach creates the chemistry. If Joseph says the Bucs’ implosion wasn’t Schiano’s fault, but then blames the chemistry, he is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

  8. gofor2with3pointlead says: Jul 15, 2014 5:37 PM

    Well, that’s one man’s opinion.

  9. gofor2with3pointlead says: Jul 15, 2014 5:40 PM

    Pardon me, I neglected to put the emphasis on ONE.

  10. gofor2with3pointlead says: Jul 15, 2014 5:46 PM

    I’d disagree bassplucker. If the chemistry isn’t organic there isn’t a football coach alive gonna make a winner. When Freeman went down, know one on that team wasn’t looking over their shoulder, and they weren’t afraid of the bogey man.

  11. dabears2485 says: Jul 15, 2014 6:00 PM

    He may get another shot some day. It won’t be soon. That second season had way too much bad PR.

  12. 6ball says: Jul 15, 2014 6:00 PM

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    If you have QB instability in the NFL, you are doomed. He was saddled with Josh ” Wild Thing” Freeman and Mike “Not Ready for Prime Time” Glennon. Nobody would be successful under those circumstances.
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  13. fumblenuts says: Jul 15, 2014 6:13 PM

    Toes on the line!!

  14. bucsorbust says: Jul 15, 2014 6:32 PM

    Schiano kept saying, be patient. He never changed up the game plan it seemed, always played not to lose. And lost. I asked Schiano directly one day…after 9 straight losses over two seasons…how long do you expect fans to be patient? When do you think it’s time for coaching changes. More “be patient”. I pleaded with Mark Dominik to can Schiano before the season ended. He told me to “hold the line.” Turned out they were both gone soon. At $9200 a year for my six season tickets, no matter how big a fan you are, no matter how much you want calm and no disruption, you also need to win. There was none of that in sight, and Schiano’s last two losses were the worst ones in his two seasons. They beat Atlanta, Miami, Buffalo, and Detroit all 2013. Got blown out repeatedly. No, Schiano will not be back coaching in the NFL for a long time.

  15. uglydingo says: Jul 15, 2014 6:37 PM

    Schiano was a terrible coaching appointment by the Bucs that cost the team 2 years and successfully smashed promising careers of multiple players including Josh Freeman. He is a polarizing figure loved by a few but detested by most. I wouldn’t even let him back into college coaching.
    The kindest thing I can say about Schiano is that his personality would have blossomed running a Nazi concentration camp in WWII.

  16. bucsorbust says: Jul 15, 2014 6:37 PM

    Funny how when the new helmets came out, lots of people talked about how the logo was too big. Now I look at the old helmet, like the one Davin has on in the picture, and the logo looks so 90s-ish, so outdated and small. New uniforms, new coaches, new players, new mindset. All is going to be great in Tampa. Now if we can just get the dang video boards replaced.

  17. mancave001 says: Jul 15, 2014 6:43 PM

    I see the haters AND apologists are out in force. I’m in the middle. I think Schiano’s approach didn’t work in the NFL. We’ve seen this before—a college coach comes in and the team blows up when he tried to treat grown men like kids. I think he also didn’t have the knowledge of the pro game he needed to be successful. That said, there were clearly some factors he didn’t and couldn’t control. He was saddled with inadequate personnel, for example. I think it’s pretty universally accepted that he screwed up nonetheless.

  18. TheWizard says: Jul 15, 2014 6:58 PM

    Bill’s “bad first act” produced Cleveland’s most winning season in the past 28 years.

    Please stop perpetuating that myth, it demonstrates lack of study.

  19. bucsorbust says: Jul 15, 2014 7:08 PM

    @Uglydingo. I am happy that Schiano is gone. But let’s be clear. There were several problems in Tampa, and Schiano was just one of them, albeit a big one that made others worse. He was like putting spoiled mayo on a rotten burger…it only made you get sicker faster. IMO, Josh Freeman’s problems started under Raheem Morris. When Josh was still popular (early 2011), Bucs fans remember the lifeless, slow starts under Raheem Morris. It was awful. Josh went from being calm as a cucumber and good under pressure in 2010 to clinically dead in 2011. Schiano came in and lit a fire under Freeman for a while in Schiano’s first season 2012, but it went out again at game 12 or so and Freeman never ever came back-for whatever reason. Freeman’s history after that speaks for itself. Schiano did a lot of wrong things on the Bucs, but only Freeman did Freeman in. Schiano was a disciplinarian, but that’s apparently all he really knew. And that’s not enough the day in the NFL. Discipline is a side ingredient/garnish, not the main course. But he’s not the reason for some of the Bucs woes. Hopefully they are all behind now.

  20. bucsorbust says: Jul 15, 2014 7:17 PM

    Raheem vs. Schiano. Both were over their head. Raheem wasn’t given the tools, and didn’t have the experience to jump right to HC. He was the new DC then went to HC in a matter of weeks. Schiano was given the tools but didn’t know how to use them. In fact to Schiano, every problem needed a hammer. Raheem didn’t own one. The players quit on Raheem’s coaching staff, and he didn’t have the moxy to sort it out. It showed by lack of effort on the field. Huge blowouts. The players quit playing for Schiano but kept their effort and intensity up for themselves, for their team captains, own pride. They played hard, but were poorly coached, and their head was not in the game. Two different coaches, two different styles, both unproven, both missed mark.

  21. randomcommenter says: Jul 15, 2014 7:26 PM

    Schiano was a scapegoat. He was hired because he was a disciplinarian and the team was too loose because Raheem Morris was too soft on them.

    They made a bunch of changes including switching to a rookie QB. Then their best weapon, Doug Martin gets injured.

    It was a no win situation last year but the Bucs were still competitive in most games and didn’t quit. That’s a reflection on the coach. They may not have liked him but they were playing hard.

    He should have gotten one more year. Schiano did leave the Bucs in good shape. He changed their attitude and that’s a tough accomplishment.

    Now they get Doug Martin back. They add Mike Evans, and bring in a veteran QB. If the Bucs are better this year that will be why, not Lovie Smith magic.

  22. bucsorbust says: Jul 15, 2014 7:36 PM

    Had Schiano and Dominik stayed: They’d have kept Revis and not upgraded the roster. Glennon would be the unchallenged starter at QB. Doug Martin would get 25 touches per game and be back on IR by November. They never would have gotten rid of that O line that gave up in Game 1. Tim Wright would be starting TE…okay player, but not a star. Schiano thought 6-4 was just fine. It wasn’t. No no no. No way should Schiano have gotten another year. This season tickets holder and Buc fan since 1976 would not have kept his tickets to sit through that again.

  23. sanjose61 says: Jul 15, 2014 9:33 PM

    I’m real surprised no one has mentioned the defining moment in Schiano’s tenure… his insistence that his players attack the kneel-down play.

    Schiano cannot be very smart if he blew 90% of the good will he had with his players over demanding that they execute a bush league play that would change the outcome of a game about .01% of the time.

    His players hated it as much as did the opponents.

    It will be very interesting to me to see if he’s learned anything from his irrational obstinance when he gets another head coaching position.

  24. berniemadoffsides says: Jul 15, 2014 9:43 PM

    Another shot of scotch.

  25. swampcannons says: Jul 15, 2014 11:51 PM

    Good lord there are people that think schiano should’ve gotten another year?! Fine, let him coach your team and we’ll see how long you want him around. Zero strategy and no adjustments after halftime equals Not For Long in this league. He had below .500 winning percentage in college and if not for letting Belicheck’s kid walk on @ Rutgers he wouldn’t have his glowing endorsement. Happy trails to amateur hour coaching.

  26. zam1104 says: Jul 17, 2014 12:24 PM

    Schiano just didn’t have the ability to coach x’s and o’s at a pro level, and couldn’t find anyone who could. Plain and simple.

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