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Marcus Allen wants Raiders to move back to Los Angeles

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As the Raiders try to solve a stadium situation that currently has no clear answer in the Bay Area, a former Raider who never played in Oakland has a preferred outcome.

Move back to Southern California.

“I’d rather see — I know people in Oakland won’t like this — the team back in Los Angeles,” Hall of Famer Marcus Allen told NBCSN at the American Century Celebrity Golf Championship in Lake Tahoe.  “I think it’s a viable option. . . .We can’t have them back at the [L.A.] Coliseum, the Coliseum now is USC’s home. . . . But there’s some locations there that I know I’ve talked to a few owners [about] and I know that they’ve liked. I can’t divulge my sources though.”

Allen wasn’t bashful about divulging his opinion that the time has come to leave Oakland, again.

“I just think it’s ripe right now, being the second largest market and being the entertainment capital of the world it’s almost necessary to have a team there,” Allen said. “And I think with the corporate support and the brand that has already been there, that’s been established, that has a huge following, I think it’d be a no-brainer.”

Allen also believes it’s a no-brainer that the Raiders should avoid sharing the 49ers’ new stadium, even though Commissioner Roger Goodell would like them to do it.

“That’s not the Raiders,” Allen said.  “The Raiders don’t share things. . . . I don’t think Al [Davis] would like it, I can say that right now. He wouldn’t be happy at all because to him it’s the Raiders and 31 other teams.”

Of course, the may end up sharing a stadium in Los Angeles. But it would be an easier pill for the Raiders to align with a team like the Rams than their long-time rivals from San Francisco who will play in Santa Clara.

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88 Responses to “Marcus Allen wants Raiders to move back to Los Angeles”
  1. billswillnevermove says: Jul 18, 2014 12:46 PM

    Move to Toronto…you can play in that dump Rodgers Centre………joetotronto will show up in his business suit.

  2. udontknowjaq says: Jul 18, 2014 12:48 PM

    The Oakland Raiders was 1 of the 2 NFL teams not on the Forbes top 50 franchises. They move to LA they easily jump into the top 20.. That is a no brainer..

  3. scoonie97 says: Jul 18, 2014 12:50 PM

    Just move Baby

  4. longsufferingkcfan says: Jul 18, 2014 12:50 PM

    I live in LA and can tell you first hand that while most people want a team here, the majority are against it being the Raiders. It’s not worth the problems that come with it.

  5. seatownballers says: Jul 18, 2014 12:51 PM

    Why not? Give the team a new stadium. Problem solved

  6. SilentMajority says: Jul 18, 2014 12:53 PM

    For the love of God! Pick a place,move there, and stay there.

  7. kylexitron says: Jul 18, 2014 12:54 PM

    The Portland Raiders.

    Do it.

  8. radrntn says: Jul 18, 2014 12:55 PM

    Nah thats ok….we understand Marcus that you pack bags and moved…but Raiders deserve to stay put. There is a LA in oakLAnd, and that is about where it can stay.

    Go Raiders.

  9. contra74 says: Jul 18, 2014 12:56 PM

    I live in LA too and Im pretty sure LA residents dont want the Raider fanbase to come back.

  10. brokebackbrees says: Jul 18, 2014 12:57 PM

    Move green bay to l.a.. They can’t even sell out a playoff game.

  11. raiderssf says: Jul 18, 2014 12:58 PM

    Nice. After all the love the Oakland fans gave you before the Pittsburg game, you say this.

  12. humb0lt says: Jul 18, 2014 12:59 PM

    I’m not sure LA wants the Raiders, a team that hasn’t had a winning season in 11 seasons and has the most dysfunctional ownership and management in the league, if not all of pro sports.

  13. r8drn8tn says: Jul 18, 2014 1:03 PM

    It kills me to think of the Raiders moving back to LA, but I understand the business side of that move. It scares the hell out of me but I am mentally preparing myself for the inevitability of this outcome.

    Go ahead and squeeze just a couple more eggs Roger…

  14. peytonmanningsforehead says: Jul 18, 2014 1:04 PM

    The Raiders won one of their three Superbowls in LA. The Chokers haven’t won a thing in over half a century. If that doesn’t prove what a pathetic, dysfunctional laughing stock the Chokers are I don’t know what does.

  15. scbaby2013 says: Jul 18, 2014 1:04 PM

    LA raiders and LA rams..awesome

  16. dalcow4 says: Jul 18, 2014 1:06 PM

    The Raiders have shot themselves in the foot by playing up the rebel image and catering to all the lowlifes and gangbangers.

    Now regular people and the people in power, businessmen and politicians– want nothing to do with that team and what that team brings.

    They want to be know as a classy city, not a gang city– and they will never take the Raiders back unless there are two teams set for LA.

  17. purpleguy says: Jul 18, 2014 1:08 PM

    It sure doesn’t make sense to build their own stadium when the new 49ers stadium is right next door. Clearly, LA can’t get its act together.

  18. kneelbeforesod says: Jul 18, 2014 1:08 PM

    I like the Portland idea. They’ll never get the Olympics; but maybe they can pull this off.

  19. FeedtheOldtotheYoung says: Jul 18, 2014 1:09 PM

    The biggest problem with the Raiders franchise is their scumbag wannabe fan base. It ruins the experience for their real fans, and everyone else.

    No thanks.

  20. theevillain says: Jul 18, 2014 1:09 PM

    The only reason the Raiders moved to Oakland was because Al had a deal at Hollywood Park. The power that be were trying to force him to share his stadium deal with another team so he bolted for Oakland. Al would never share a stadium with anyone. Mark is still a Davis and I can’t see him sharing a stadium unless its a temporary situation.

  21. largent80100 says: Jul 18, 2014 1:12 PM

    They better move now or the Rams will.

    Their lease with the Edward Jones Dome allows them to move after the 2014 season unless the dome is one of top tier stadiums in the NFL.

    Oakland’ lease is a one-year contract, staying at that dump does no good for them.

  22. doctorrustbelt says: Jul 18, 2014 1:13 PM

    Let’s Be Honest: While Los Angeles has a lot of creepy individuals who paint their faces and wear leather outfits, metal studs, and breathe thru their mouths… they don’t want those types that act like Raider fans.

  23. ldloudin says: Jul 18, 2014 1:13 PM

    Listen up Mark Davis, Marcus is right! Trade in the smaller market town & its perpetual 2nd rate standing w/ the local press for LA & the weather & the entertainment business opportunities which would exponentially enhance the Raiders’ attractiveness to free agents. If stadium $$ is a problem, MD should sell a share of the team to Philip Anschutz or another media/entertainment type to finance Cowboy Stadium West. This is a no-brainer; you’d better hurry up before the Bills or Chargers get there first. Portland? Laughable, even w/ Nike $$. Sharing Field of Jeans w/ 49ers? Daddy will haunt you forever & not in a good way.

  24. thestrategyexpert says: Jul 18, 2014 1:15 PM

    It could be a great business decision to move the team back to LA. And it could be a great business decision for another team to move to LA and to shut Oakland out of the opportunity and keep them relegated to Oakland. Maybe they are forced to move later, and to a town that is less lucrative than the LA window that will then be closed.

    Or the Bills could set up a preliminary agreement to move their team to LA, and to trade those rights to Oakland for draft picks as an incentive to stay in Buffalo and out of their backyard.

  25. Marshawn Lunch says: Jul 18, 2014 1:17 PM

    LA Rams and Portland Raiders. That’d be great. Portland needs to stop being a bunch of pansies and get tough. Raider nation could help them do it.

  26. 1nationraidernation says: Jul 18, 2014 1:19 PM

    Since it’s a Raider Nation, I think the Raiders should play one pre-season game up in Reno (hot August Nights) , the other pre-season game in Las Vegas, and then play 5 a year games in the Bay Area, and 5 games a year in LA… Season tickets holder can either buy a 5 game regional plan, or can by entire season tickets (they get priority). ..plus as an added bonus ….they can still keep their other one home game a year in San Diego as well.

    To me they are The Raiders…..(need no city)

  27. thraiderskin says: Jul 18, 2014 1:20 PM

    If the Raiders moved back to LA, just think how empty Chargers’ games will be… The Raiders should move to LA, I don’t think Oakland can support them enough. As long as the Raiders don’t leave California, I think it will be all good.

  28. 1nationraidernation says: Jul 18, 2014 1:23 PM

    thestrategyexpert says:
    Jul 18, 2014 1:15 PM

    Or the Bills could set up a preliminary agreement to move their team to LA, and to trade those rights to Oakland for draft picks as an incentive to stay in Buffalo and out of their backyard.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –
    Don’t know what rock you live under, but pretty much a well known fact the raiders paid for the rights to LA.(the check was cashed)…The league can say what they want etc…, but if another team moves to LA…the Raiders will see you in court.

  29. bighat8 says: Jul 18, 2014 1:27 PM

    Mexico City Raiders..huge mkt.

  30. sjsuguy says: Jul 18, 2014 1:28 PM

    The NFL and LA don’t want the raiders in LA because of the negative reputation of their fans so why not just change the teams name? It’s a win win situation for everyone. LA would get a team that they can get behind and support and the franchise would have the 2nd largest market to themselves.

  31. dallascowboysdishingthereal says: Jul 18, 2014 1:29 PM

    I think USC football has become bigger in L.A. than the NFL.

  32. numba1wiscosportsfan says: Jul 18, 2014 1:29 PM

    Big Pack guy here. SO glad they didn’t move the Vikin’s to LA. Woulda been just so wrong.

  33. slugbaitspace says: Jul 18, 2014 1:31 PM

    “That’s not the Raiders,” Allen said. “The Raiders don’t share things…”

    Haven’t they been sharing a stadium with another professional team for more than a few years now…? Or is that dirt just a result of a poorly maintained field?

  34. drfeelyouup says: Jul 18, 2014 1:31 PM

    They could move to Afghanistan. Who cares about the Raiders?

  35. kingpel says: Jul 18, 2014 1:33 PM

    Raiders and Niners sharing a stadium?

    In the words of the great Colonel Trautman:

    If you’re going to do that don’t forget one thing.

    A good supply of body bags.

  36. pantherpro says: Jul 18, 2014 1:33 PM

    Just move the Raider trash from Oakland with you. Take the A’s too since nobody in the bay cares about them either. Lose both teams and then the San Francisco Warriors? Ouch Oaktown no wonder you are bitter!

  37. ariani1985 says: Jul 18, 2014 1:36 PM

    Green Bay has an old outdated dump that you can play in!

  38. jimmyt says: Jul 18, 2014 1:37 PM

    If LA wants any current team to move there they will have to build them a state of the art stadium as well as a state of the art practice facility/headquarters, give them all of the concession and parking profits and pay their enormous relocation fee to name just a few things. The team(s) will not pay for one dime of it. Other than that, it’s just not worth it billionaire owners that are hauling in massive profits just the way it is. Best hope is expansion.

  39. dalcow4 says: Jul 18, 2014 1:41 PM

    No place to call home.

    Bottom line– Nobody wants the scumbags. No city wants what comes with the team. You dreamers think Portland wants to import those kinds of people?

  40. thestrategyexpert says: Jul 18, 2014 1:47 PM

    1nationraidernation:

    I guess the rock I am under didn’t get the memo regarding Davis’ contracted rights to LA. Still though, a preliminary agreement would have to be approved by the league and that would only happen in the event that the rights were available. If that’s not possible then I need to get more sunlight.

  41. raiderlyfe510 says: Jul 18, 2014 1:47 PM

    Like Los Angeles would have supported the Raiders when they going 4-12 the past 10 years.

    SoCal is not a football area that’s why 2 teams left, and the Chargers can’t sell out.

    The Raiders should have never left Oakland. When they went to Los Angeles they went Hollywood and got soft. If the Raiders leave Oakland, L.A. Is the last place they should move. They didn’t support them the first time.

  42. skinssweepgmen says: Jul 18, 2014 1:55 PM

    Mark Davis could probably get some better haircuts in L.A.

  43. fordmandalay says: Jul 18, 2014 2:02 PM

    Angelenos respond; “No.”

  44. fordmandalay says: Jul 18, 2014 2:08 PM

    “SoCal is not a football area that’s why 2 teams left, and the Chargers can’t sell out.” – comments like these are written by people who have no clue of what they’re talking about. The Rams and Raiders had very good attendance and fan support, even though they were playing in the gigantic hellhole that is the Colisseum, with no parking and in the center of the most crime-ridden part of the city. The teams left for the same reason the Colts and Browns left their cities; greedy owners who got offered free stadiums and incredible deals to move to new cities.

  45. purplezimmerpride says: Jul 18, 2014 2:08 PM

    Moving my Vikings to LA is about the only way I can think of to avoid having the NFC North worst offense and defense. But is having the NFC West worst offense and defense any better?

  46. Raider-in-PA says: Jul 18, 2014 2:10 PM

    Absolutely NO to sharing a stadium with the 49’ers and NO to moving back to L.A.!! The City of Oakland needs to devise a plan for a new Raiders stadium on the same grounds as the Coliseum… Let the A’s have the Coliseum…

  47. raiderlyfe510 says: Jul 18, 2014 2:31 PM

    “SoCal is not a football area that’s why 2 teams left, and the Chargers can’t sell out.” – comments like these are written by people who have no clue of what they’re talking about. ”
    —————————-
    when the Rams were winning big under John Robinson and the Raiders were Super Bowl contenders they were supporting. LA’s a front running “make an appearance at the place to be” kind of town. When the Rams and Raiders were around .500 they didn’t get the support….THATS WHY THEY LEFT!!

  48. jebdamone says: Jul 18, 2014 2:31 PM

    the raiders don’t share things? they have shared the oakland coliseum with the A’s for over 40 years now!

  49. csmountaineer says: Jul 18, 2014 2:33 PM

    “The raiders don’t share?” Whattt? They share a stadium now with athletics. Move to LA would be great for the NFL and the raiders franchise. If you build it they will come…… LA will accept any team that comes to town… Especially if they start winning. Of course they would rather have the packers over the raiders. Anybody would. But Oakland is the right fit.

  50. r8dernation says: Jul 18, 2014 2:40 PM

    longsufferingkcfan says:
    Jul 18, 2014 12:50 PM
    I live in LA and can tell you first hand that while most people want a team here, the majority are against it being the Raiders. It’s not worth the problems that come with it.
    _________________________________

    You had gangs and cocaine long before the Raiders moved to L.A.
    The problem wasn’t the Raiders, it was the 80’s!

  51. ashoreinhawaii says: Jul 18, 2014 2:43 PM

    LA should hold its ground.
    If a team wants to come they have to build their own stadium, and the NFL has to waive the TV blackout rule.

  52. bob4train says: Jul 18, 2014 2:49 PM

    Hmm. Let’s remember the good old day in LA. Al Davis liked Marcus Allen so much that he ordered his head coach (better known as “Head Puppet”) to keep Marcus on the bench permanently. Marcus sat and fumed for about 2 years. So now Marcus is a big fan of the Raiders? Did he forget? Best to keep his mouth shut and look like a fool than to open his mouth and remove all doubt. OK, he has removed all doubt.

  53. JSpicoli says: Jul 18, 2014 2:53 PM

    Why are you guys wasting your time and energy?

    They are staying where they belong, at home, in OAK.

    You guys should not try to become comedians.

  54. blackbeard43 says: Jul 18, 2014 2:56 PM

    “It’s the Raiders and 31 other teams” ha! I like that. Good ol’ Al

  55. babygaga19 says: Jul 18, 2014 3:03 PM

    Just another example of an aged superstar tying to keep his name in the headlines. Pathetic!

  56. ghost2post says: Jul 18, 2014 3:09 PM

    What’s more funny to me than the idiot Raiders haters who post stuff like “chokers” and all the other stupid names they come up with, is how intelligent they sound doing it…

  57. swortybounce says: Jul 18, 2014 3:09 PM

    Raiders aren’t happy in Oakland and the NFL wants a team back in L.A. From a business stand point it’s a no-brainer.

  58. jjackwagon says: Jul 18, 2014 3:11 PM

    Losing is losing, does it matter where?

  59. ghost2post says: Jul 18, 2014 3:11 PM

    Eh bob4train…once a Raider always a Raider!!!

  60. pooflingingmonkey says: Jul 18, 2014 3:13 PM

    Move them to Toronto with the Bills. Canada gets two NFL teams, just not good ones.

  61. greg2geez says: Jul 18, 2014 3:14 PM

    More good news for Marcus, a Raiders move back to LA might happen in time for OJ’s parole.

  62. babygaga19 says: Jul 18, 2014 3:20 PM

    LOL! NFL DOES NOT WANT THE RAIDERS BACK IN LA! How did that work the first time? How is your new stadium going? Raiders are inept, dont know how to run a franchise, and basically are loser irrelevant.

  63. ducksk says: Jul 18, 2014 3:27 PM

    Marcus who?

  64. bucsorbust says: Jul 18, 2014 3:32 PM

    I want them back in LA too. I’m sick and tired of hearing every week about LA somehow needing or deserving a team. Let them go and then be done with it.

  65. schmitty2 says: Jul 18, 2014 3:37 PM

    ” But there’s some locations there that I know I’ve talked to a few owners [about] and I know that they’ve liked. I can’t divulge my sources though.”

    Umm, the only other viable option in L.A is the Rosebowl so I have no idea what he’s talking about when he says “locations”

  66. sjsuguy says: Jul 18, 2014 3:48 PM

    The raiders will always be 2nd class citizens in the Bay Area.

  67. kingseamas says: Jul 18, 2014 4:04 PM

    Been a fan since 1968. Stay in Oakland. If they can get someone to match their cash and nfl buy-in – play somewhere one year. Wherever. Levi or UC Berkeley (parking is a nightmare/impossible but BART is two blocks away) or even Candlestick. Only 7 home games. Oakland needs to get this done. Raiders games have been selling-out. Sounds like our hall-of-gamer Marcus Allen is trying to cash-in with some venture capitol investors in LA. A new stadium and the Raiders and Oakland would be making cash. A’s and Raiders in Oakland.

  68. jayyemm77 says: Jul 18, 2014 4:07 PM

    LA raider fans are some wannabe scumbag fans? Wow I literally can’t believe you just said that! These past 2 years that I’ve been going to the Raider vs Chargers game at chargers home I see most of the stadium filled with Raider fans! Hmm I wonder where there from? Los Angeles baby!!! Stop being a L.A hater!

  69. jayyemm77 says: Jul 18, 2014 4:11 PM

    How do you call your self a Raider fan “Ducksk”. Marcus who? Seriously? I wish all these non sense comments will just stop already.

  70. pantherpro says: Jul 18, 2014 4:21 PM

    Raider trash foreever! Enough in every US city to support them wherever they go!

  71. nite2al says: Jul 18, 2014 4:30 PM

    AL wouldn’t like moving to LA.

  72. marissalynn0304 says: Jul 18, 2014 4:31 PM

    Marcus Allen doesn’t know the Raiders history all that well….the Raiders and Al Davis played in San Francisco’ Kesar stadium and Candlestick Park back in the days sharing with the 49ers. So he needs to forget about all those “Raiders don’t share with anyone and its the Raiders and 31 other teams” and suck it up until they can find a home. As much as I am a true Niner fan and don’t like the idea myself, it’ll give the Niners more money to pay off their stadium. Raiders don’t need to move back to LA cause it’ll just cause more problems.

  73. flannlv says: Jul 18, 2014 4:36 PM

    Move the Raiders to Vegas. With Goodell’s statement of moving a team to London, the NFL has removed the argument about sports gambling.

  74. longsufferingkcfan says: Jul 18, 2014 4:58 PM

    r8dernation says:
    Jul 18, 2014 2:40 PM
    longsufferingkcfan says:
    Jul 18, 2014 12:50 PM
    I live in LA and can tell you first hand that while most people want a team here, the majority are against it being the Raiders. It’s not worth the problems that come with it.
    _________________________________

    You had gangs and cocaine long before the Raiders moved to L.A.
    The problem wasn’t the Raiders, it was the 80′s!

    _________________________________

    I see the problem firsthand when I go to sports bars on NFL Sundays and seeing a bunch of wannabe tough guys in silver and black causing problems while the fans of the other teams (and there are many; LA is a melting pot) are all behaving themselves with only a few exceptions. In fact, many bars are now refusing to show Raiders games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: we don’t want the Raiders and their fans here.

  75. numba1wiscosportsfan says: Jul 18, 2014 4:59 PM

    man. the raiderz. lol

  76. dirtydrew says: Jul 18, 2014 5:48 PM

    We don’t want the jail bird Raider fans at Levi’s anyway. Go to LA. Build your own stadium, it could seat 35,000. Then you might, and I mean might sell it out.

  77. mickton says: Jul 18, 2014 6:38 PM

    I think that is a marvelous idea.

  78. mickton says: Jul 18, 2014 6:39 PM

    Please go to la

  79. Baggabonez says: Jul 18, 2014 7:54 PM

    I live in LA and can tell you first hand that while most people want a team here, the majority are against it being the Raiders. It’s not worth the problems that come with it.
    _________________________________

    You had gangs and cocaine long before the Raiders moved to L.A.
    The problem wasn’t the Raiders, it was the 80′s!

    _________________________________

    I see the problem firsthand when I go to sports bars on NFL Sundays and seeing a bunch of wannabe tough guys in silver and black causing problems while the fans of the other teams (and there are many; LA is a melting pot) are all behaving themselves with only a few exceptions. In fact, many bars are now refusing to show Raiders games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: we don’t want the Raiders and their fans here.
    _________________________________________
    1) Gentrification.
    If Harlem can be gentrified, so can the Raiders. There will be no tailgating at the proposed Farmer’s Field. Hence, parking lot fights will be replaced with restaurants and amenities. To gain access to the stadium potential trouble makers will have to pass through several levels of security. It’d be like going into a Las Vegas Casino. Easy to get in but very difficult to get out. Relatively safe. $5 beers will keep everyone relative sober and persuade drunkards to continue to frequent those bars you hate them at.
    2) Management.
    Clearly the Raiders are under new management. I have no idea why people keep saying “same old Raiders”. Results cannot be guaranteed but clearly it’s not business as usual.
    3) As a “longsufferingkcfan” your agenda for not wanting the Raiders to return to LA is transparent.
    4) Everything is cyclical. The NFL can’t guarantee LA a winning organization. LA is a destination. Opposing fans will flock to LA to watch their team just like at Qualcom.

  80. 1nationraidernation says: Jul 18, 2014 8:17 PM

    thestrategyexpert says:
    Jul 18, 2014 1:47 PM
    1nationraidernation:

    Still though, a preliminary agreement would have to be approved by the league and that would only happen in the event that the rights were available. If that’s not possible then I need to get more sunlight.
    – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – – –

    funny i think the league told the raiders the same thing last time as well, and they moved anyway. In all reality if you own something, you own it….thats the bottom line….and the raiders own LA…..wanna go to court… so be it…

  81. raiddawgz says: Jul 18, 2014 9:03 PM

    Set it str8. The Raiders do not need consent from the league. The league tried in past and failed to stop The Raiders from moving there. The Raiders can argue they still own rights to LA. They do not need 2 give up anything if they can get private investments (majic johnson..etc) Also, you bosos that are saying you do not want Raider fanz back…We never left! There are plenty of NFL fans here in So Cal that would welcome The Raiders or any other team, these arent the 80s any longer, the crack and speed is all up north with the 40 whiner band wagon. RAIDERS 2 L.A.

    p.s. KC fan can go back to Looserville, Kansas

  82. babygaga19 says: Jul 18, 2014 9:13 PM

    LA, NFL dont want the Raiders. Hell, not even Oakland wants them. Good luck with that!

  83. golynxgo says: Jul 18, 2014 10:19 PM

    When the Costs sky rocket and the Minnsoda taxpayers will have to cover the new stadium (the owner will be in jail too) Those fans will want the Vikings to move to LA

  84. mackcarrington says: Jul 19, 2014 12:38 AM

    Marcus Allen is one of the few football players who never ended up on the crime sections of the papers. Before, during, or after his career.

  85. coachdjax says: Jul 19, 2014 12:57 PM

    London wants an NFL team and the Raiders new star running back MJD (cough, cough), thinks London deserves one. The London Raiders it is.

  86. babygaga19 says: Jul 19, 2014 1:30 PM

    For any of you that have not seen NFLNs special on Marcus Allen, watch it! I truly forgot what a special back he was. I would put him in Barry Sanders category, maybe better. MA was the bomb!

  87. jharvey6 says: Jul 22, 2014 10:31 PM

    Raiders fans think Marcus Allen should move Honduras.

  88. elmwoodero says: Jul 29, 2014 7:14 PM

    San Antonio Raiders, I seriously doubt it, but Oakland didn’t deserve Raiders either, let los Angeles spoil the Raiders with a new stadium. All the talk about los Angeles not being able to hold a team, well apparently either can oakland hahaha

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