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Report: Bon Jovi’s ownership group has explored building Toronto stadium

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While the potential Bills ownership group fronted by Jon Bon Jovi may currently be saying all the right things about keeping the team in Buffalo, Bon Jovi and company reportedly have explored the possibility of moving the team to Toronto.

According to the Associated Press, the Bon Jovi group has conducted a feasibility study regarding the construction of a stadium in the Toronto area.  The study identified at least three potential sites.

Andy Bergmann, who oversees the group’s stadium plan, denied that any feasibility study has been conducted.

“We have undertaken engineering and design studies,” Bergmann told the AP via email.  “All of our work has been about a generic site and whether it was more rural or urban. We are aware of potential sites in the western NY and southern Ontario region, and are in fact meeting with two Buffalo area developers next week.”

Despite reports that the Bon Jovi group wouldn’t move the team, many aren’t buying it — including Erie County Executive Mark Poloncarz.

“It is my personal opinion that any bid associated with the Toronto group has a long-term interest in moving the team to Toronto,” Poloncarz told the AP.

Any group that would move the team can’t say it would move the team until the time comes to actually move the team, for a variety of reasons.  So none of the groups looking to buy the team will admit they want to move the team, and the question then becomes whether anyone believes the statements of intention to remain in Buffalo.

Few Bills fans believe that Bon Jovi would keep the team in Buffalo.  The latest report from the AP will do nothing to change the minds of those who are convinced that on a steel horse the franchise will ride to Toronto.

I knew if I babbled long enough I’d eventually come up with a way to force a Bon Jovi song reference into this thing.

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  1. canetic says: Jul 24, 2014 11:18 PM

    Ooops, eh.

  2. youpeopleareallthesame says: Jul 24, 2014 11:19 PM

    Wow, who would have thought that Trump would be a better option as an owner?

  3. terremotinho says: Jul 24, 2014 11:21 PM

    Shot through the heart…

  4. beerbaron says: Jul 24, 2014 11:21 PM

    SHOT THROUGH THE HEART!!!

  5. angelogiaquinto18 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:21 PM

    Bill fans are living on a prayer. But I’m sure they will go down in a blaze of glory!

  6. realitycheckbaby says: Jul 24, 2014 11:21 PM

    Told you.

  7. notthatguy87 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:22 PM

    Scum

  8. finfan87 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:22 PM

    This has got to be at least a little stressful for Bills fans in Buffalo. Obviously the best outcome for those fans would be for the team to stay in Buffalo, but on the other hand…Bon Jovi’s group means the furthest the team moves is to Toronto, while some of the other groups could be thinking LA instead. Toronto probably sounds a lot better to those fans than LA does.

  9. yeevie13 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:24 PM

    Good thing this is tagged as a Seahawks story

  10. misterfuji1982 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:25 PM

    Let’s start a new football league, RIGHT NOW!

    Do you put a team in Buffalo before a team in Toronto?

    NO!

    This has needed to happen for years. Dying city Buffalo keeps it’s team close, and a vibrant city gets a team that an entire country would embrace as it’s own.

  11. tolan04 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:26 PM

    Bon jovi is a snake this would be a complete disaster

  12. gd2483 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:26 PM

    The Bills’ trust won’t sell the team to Bon Jovi and his partners because of this. Hopefully.

    Pegulla all the way!

  13. mrbgood315 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:26 PM

    Just go buy 5% of the Dolphins like the rest of your C-list brethren & leave our Bills alone! Save us Terry Pegula, you’re our only hope.

  14. fcoprado says: Jul 24, 2014 11:28 PM

    You can never trust owners, they say one thing keeping a team in town, yet give clues they might move it.

  15. greenbaydean says: Jul 24, 2014 11:28 PM

    I can hear Bon Jovi right now talking to the Bills fans…. Don’t go away mad, just go away…..

  16. buhbay1c says: Jul 24, 2014 11:29 PM

    Jon and his band of wrinkled turds somehow continue to sell out arena shows, so anything is possible I guess.

  17. eaglesfan036 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:33 PM

    I think a team in Canada would be much more acceptable than a team in Europe.

  18. scheer1852 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:34 PM

    Toronto is a great sports city. I’ve always thought Toronto made the most sense for the NFL if they’re really that obsessed with international expansion( sure makes more sense than the UK anyway). Toronto is also the fourth largest city in North America with a very wealthy population. They’d have no problem selling tickets. And who cares if they’re not in Buffalo anymore, it’s better than the team moving to LA or something, Buffalo fans can still make it to the games. As a NY Jets season ticket holder living about an hour north of NYC and commuting to New Jersey to watch the games it doesn’t bother me one bit. I think the Buffalo fans would get used to it. Obviously not ideal for a fan living in western NY but far better than the alternative ie. LA or London

  19. tomcous says: Jul 24, 2014 11:34 PM

    There is due diligence and there are things that just verify the truth … I have zero doubt that Bon Jovi wants the Bills in Toronto.

  20. sopadegato says: Jul 24, 2014 11:34 PM

    Truth is, the NFL’s just interested in keeping the Bills in NY because they’re the only team actually in New York – the Giants and Jets are in New Jersey.

    Still, it needs to happen.

    Toronto Bills, LA Raiders, London Jaguars.

  21. trubroncfan07 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:35 PM

    I and I thought I could like Bon Jovi less than I already did. So it sound like the Bills will be in Toronto and the Jags in London, followed by the Raiders and Rams back to LA.

  22. pittsburghfan71 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:35 PM

    Having a team in Canada would make a lot more sense the England but I hope the Bills stay where they are.

  23. upperdecker19 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:38 PM

    Shot Buffalo thru the heart, and Bon Jovi’s to blame….he gave new ownership, a bad name!

  24. logicalvoicescowboybrother says: Jul 24, 2014 11:41 PM

    I think more teams need to move

  25. kgun80 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:47 PM

    Nobody believed you in the first place now you can take that bum Jaworski with you. There were rumors about this months ago. Rest assured if they get the team and that’s a big if… Considering Golisano and Pegula are also bidding. The NFL will have to deal with an empty stadium until the lease can be broken .

  26. VenerableAxiom says: Jul 24, 2014 11:50 PM

    I thought he said he would keep them in Buffalo. How many of these prospective buyers are saying one thing with intentions on another?

  27. firerogergoodell says: Jul 24, 2014 11:52 PM

    Remember when the new Oklahoma City ownership group promised not to move the Sonics out of Seattle?…

  28. veence69 says: Jul 24, 2014 11:53 PM

    Dun dun dunnnnnn

  29. wnbasuperfan says: Jul 24, 2014 11:55 PM

    So he’s realized the present unfeasibility of moving the team to a city and province that don’t want it and is changing his tune, saying he’ll keep them in Buffalo….
    Until in seven or eight years when the political and financial climate changes in Toronto and the city wants a new stadium.

  30. conspiracybrotherjones says: Jul 25, 2014 12:09 AM

    Careful Jon, you don’t want to shot down in a “Blaze of Glory”

  31. timmyp716 says: Jul 25, 2014 12:16 AM

    I hate Bon Jovi

  32. george1859 says: Jul 25, 2014 12:17 AM

    No chance of acquiring the Bills now.
    Go away, and take Jaws with you.

  33. fantasticmrhandsome says: Jul 25, 2014 12:27 AM

    Steel horse…well played Florio, well played.

  34. ghostfacenoah says: Jul 25, 2014 12:27 AM

    Toronto does not deserve an NFL team. There’s no evidence that the fan interest is strong enough (think of all the empty Toronto Bills series seats) and a Bon Jovi/Rogers telecom ownership would be a terrible combo. Rogers owns the Blue Jays and are majority owners in MLSE who in turn own the Leafs, Raptors. All of the Toronto franchises are terrible and ownership has been more focused on turning a profit than putting a good team in front of their fans.

  35. youallrfools says: Jul 25, 2014 12:30 AM

    Mike we all know if this post was three sentences long you would have laid it down on a bed of roses.

  36. scoobydid32 says: Jul 25, 2014 12:38 AM

    Look I understand Bills fans don’t want to lose the team… but Toronto is closer than most fans travel to a Packers game!

    I hope Buffalo keep their franchise but a move to Toronto would be better than London, England.

    Where I live their are only three teams within an 8 hour drive… Buffalo to Toronto is what two hours on a bad day?

    I would hope Bills season ticket holders would have first dibs but it’s the NFL and they might hold you hostage with PSL’s

    GO Bills and Sabres!

  37. dalcow4 says: Jul 25, 2014 12:41 AM

    Told you so. The NFL is maneuvering this all the way. They want Canada. They want England. Then Europe.

  38. thestrategyexpert says: Jul 25, 2014 12:44 AM

    On the one hand I can see how having a team in Toronto could possibly be a good business decision. And it’s not too far away from Buffalo, so some of the fans will probably still commute to the new location of their team residing on an “Edge Over a Broken Heart”.

    On the other hand it could be that they are using their mere “awareness (with implied threat to consider making a bid)” as leverage to get a better Buffalo bid.

  39. pioniere says: Jul 25, 2014 12:49 AM

    I think I can speak for most Bills fans when I say that we DO NOT want this guy to be the next owner!!

  40. luther6 says: Jul 25, 2014 12:56 AM

    Thank you, Mike Florio, for the great coverage. The county and state need to enjoin the Bills from even entering into negotiations with JBJ and his Toronto friends, per the lease agreement the Bills — and the NFL — signed with Erie County and New York State.

  41. silverandblack052099 says: Jul 25, 2014 1:05 AM

    Keep the NFL in the USA!

  42. followme2boston says: Jul 25, 2014 1:17 AM

    This has surprised exactly zero people. They are already boycotting his music in Buffalo, if his groups wins, there will be less than five thousand people at every game until he can weasel a move north of the border.

  43. fansincebirth says: Jul 25, 2014 1:26 AM

    So, can’t wait for the next Bon Jovi concert in Buffalo. Oh,wait….
    Two words: Terry Pegula!!!!!

  44. Matt says: Jul 25, 2014 1:32 AM

    No one is going to pay $1 billion for an NFL franchise to keep it in Buffalo forever. That would be like setting your money on fire. If it sells for that price, the team is moving. If it stays in Buffalo permanently, the franchise is not worth anywhere near $1 billion.

  45. natelan says: Jul 25, 2014 1:32 AM

    How did this guy get so rich? He had like one good song in the 80’s. Who listens to this crap?

  46. seadawgs72 says: Jul 25, 2014 2:17 AM

    Damn! How much money does a butt rocker from the 80’s have? Hopefully his ownership would be better than his music.

  47. criticaldsj says: Jul 25, 2014 2:50 AM

    If you want to move the team to a market with no significant interest in football and hope to occasionally capture the attention of enough casual fans to generate a positive revenue stream, you should probably look at Los Angeles, not Toronto. At least Los Angeles enhances the league’s media packages. Toronto does next to nothing for that.

    This bid was clearly living on a prayer before this news broke.

  48. jimmysee says: Jul 25, 2014 3:52 AM

    The only way to keep the team in Buffalo, like, forever, is to convert it to a Packers-type ownership.

    With the so-called “fake stock” and all.

    That works.

    And the team stays put.

  49. joetoronto says: Jul 25, 2014 3:59 AM

    They’re worth way more if they move, that’s just common sense.

    All small market teams will eventually move, that’s the future, like it or not.

  50. joetoronto says: Jul 25, 2014 4:00 AM

    All small market teams will eventually move, that’s the future, like it or not.

    They’re worth way more if they move, that’s just common sense.

  51. 1952vikefan says: Jul 25, 2014 4:58 AM

    the Bon Jovi bills never happen

  52. lesterclan says: Jul 25, 2014 5:09 AM

    “Straight to the heart and your to blame, you give love a bad name…”

  53. kingpel says: Jul 25, 2014 5:42 AM

    Damn. I really wanted to believe Bon Jovi was the answer to keep the Bills in Buffalo.

  54. rcbn says: Jul 25, 2014 6:17 AM

    Well I am sure the Buffalo Fans will feel more like Shot through the Heart!

  55. gmen32 says: Jul 25, 2014 6:23 AM

    Well suprise, suprise, the Bon Jovi group has explored stadium options in Toronto. You might as well come out with the truth as NOBODY was buying into the “we would keep the team in Western New York” line. The Bills will not end up in Toronto. The NFL does not need this headache. It runs the most successful league in the world and does it’s best to clean up messy situations as fast as possible. Trying to move the Bills to Toronto has UGLY written all over it for many years. I don’t think the other owners (with the exception of Bon Jovi’s friends) will buy in.

  56. petecarrolmorelikecheatpayroll says: Jul 25, 2014 6:33 AM

    I’m a Packer fan first, but I respect the Buffalo Bills and who they are as a franchise. If Bon Jovi gets his manicured effeminate hands on the Bills, I will like them no more. I hope that doesn’t happen.

  57. The Pittsburgh Steelers: God's Team says: Jul 25, 2014 6:50 AM

    We called it.

  58. arcross12042004scorp15 says: Jul 25, 2014 6:58 AM

    Skullduggery ! We need Pegula’s , not Mr. Pants on Fire

  59. bvolke says: Jul 25, 2014 7:01 AM

    Buffalo fans were smart to start pushing against his bid for ownership. The Wilson family won’t sell to someone who will so obviously move the team.

  60. completefan says: Jul 25, 2014 7:04 AM

    He clearly does not understand the lack of interest in football in Toronto

  61. kingcasper says: Jul 25, 2014 7:18 AM

    LOL…not a chance….Jovi’s a clown!

  62. nnagi says: Jul 25, 2014 7:18 AM

    Bon Jovi doesn’t have the money to buy the Bills, he’s just being used for name recognition…and anyways, if you liked his music you were obvious!y one of those dorks in the 80’s that never fit in with the cool kids

  63. ctiggs says: Jul 25, 2014 7:25 AM

    I guess he is “Halfway there”

  64. gmen32 says: Jul 25, 2014 7:26 AM

    Long term, Toronto would be a terrible football market. Toronto is the Canadian version of L.A. People like to be seen at the “it” events but there is not a true love of the game or the understanding of it. The CFL does well in all areas of Canada with the exception of Toronto. Why? Because it is not the place to be. Short term, the NFL would do VERY well, in the long run, not so much. We all know how well franchises have done in L.A. Note: I live in Toronto

  65. outlawjerseywhales says: Jul 25, 2014 7:29 AM

    Babbling IS what you do best!

  66. bills9951 says: Jul 25, 2014 7:40 AM

    What this post fails to mention is that phony, JAWS. The fact that in the last two weeks ron jaworski has gone on bills radio jn buffalo, and national media outleta like espn to insist jbj’s intentions were to keep the bills in buffalo was a travesty. Ron Jaworski is a biased, unprofessional nitwit. He is not welcome in Buffalo and not a single word of his should ever be believed again.

  67. montrealraider says: Jul 25, 2014 7:43 AM

    The Oakland and CFL fans will hate me but I will say this: 2 teams expansion Toronto + London. And move the Raiders back to LA in a primetime market.

    I think the city of Oakland has made its choice…. and the Raiders would be much better off playing in a stadium and city that are attractive then what they put up with now.

    And I have explored what the logistics for a London team would be and its not all that bad. They simply need some sort of “home base” in the US in Virginia (closest distance to 90% of the other NFL cities) for 3-4 weeks road trips. +Build a training facility in London dedicated to the visiting teams who would get there on monday. + introduce a compensatory system in their salary cap for the distance and travel.

    Toronto has the market for an NFL team and could play in the Skydome (or whatever the current name) while the new stadium is constructed. Im just not sure the CFL Argonauts would survive but they could relocate in Ontario.

    I will say however that the Ralph Wilson Stadium needs MASSIVE renovations by the decades end. I dont think you will ever find the ressources to build a shiny new stadium in Buffalo but it certainly can be renovated if the new owner is serious.

  68. gah05 says: Jul 25, 2014 7:51 AM

    Technically, Toronto is in BILLS territory so what does it matter? They prioritize Bills games and black them out when not sold out on TV. Buffalo folks loves our Canadian $$’s at Bills games but also loves to bash Toronto rest of the time.

    I sure am glad Bills are no longer playing in Toronto. Simple reason the games didn’t fair well is plain losing, uncompetitive match-ups with crazy ticket prices.

    Toronto with it’s own identity, new team & new stadium will do very well. We have the economics and population to support it.

  69. phinfan says: Jul 25, 2014 7:52 AM

    Slippery when wet!

  70. george1859 says: Jul 25, 2014 7:55 AM

    Hey Jaws,
    You are no longer welcome..

  71. buffalo14watkins says: Jul 25, 2014 7:59 AM

    Please Mr. and Mrs. Pegula save our team.

  72. exboomer says: Jul 25, 2014 7:59 AM

    scheer1852
    They’d have no problem selling tickets.

    That’s why Rogers couldn’t give the Toronto series tickets away…just sayin.

  73. baron30 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:11 AM

    Why don’t you report the actual facts, instead of trolling Bills fans.

    The bylaws of the Ralph Wilson Trust state that the trusties CANNOT sell to any group has an intention of moving the team (the trustees need a reasonable belief- stadium feasibility should be more than enough).

    It’s their fiduciary duty to sell to a group that will keep the team in Buffalo.

  74. codiablo says: Jul 25, 2014 8:12 AM

    Hey Rubes – non story! If the lease is up in 6 years, then having the chips in place to bargain with to get as much public money to stay makes sense – it’s good business (which is bad for the every day shmo – “get to work, shmo!”)

  75. baron30 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:14 AM

    even ESPN got it right….”Under terms of the team’s lease with the state and county, the Bills — including Wilson’s estate — are not allowed to negotiate with anyone, who to their knowledge, has an intention of relocating the team before the end of the 2022 season, when the lease ends.”

    cant even negotiate, let alone sell.

  76. SparkyGump says: Jul 25, 2014 8:19 AM

    Does anyone ever tell the truth anymore? smh

  77. 315judman says: Jul 25, 2014 8:30 AM

    When the Buffalo Bills have played in Toronto during these past few seasons, it has been the lamest NFL game of the season. This is one reason why the Bills have decided (albeit for the time being) to not continue the Toronto Series. In short, it has been a disaster. The die hard Bills fans who have made the Toronto trip in the past few years will not go there for games in the future if the franchise is based in Toronto.

    The NFL would have a team that would need to be subsidized.

    It is easy to say the team should move to Toronto if you have never been to Buffalo on game day.

    Have you been recently, Mr. Florio?

  78. waldoampere says: Jul 25, 2014 8:32 AM

    Why doesn’t he just stick to writing his overrated, crappy corporate rock songs?

  79. bonnovi says: Jul 25, 2014 8:40 AM

    Told you he was a liar.

  80. ike1973 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:43 AM

    The NFL is a business, and in a pure business sense it would be more profitable to have the team in the 4th largest city in North America than in Buffalo. I honestly think it would be the best option for the fans as they would still be able to go to the games. I can only imagine what they would name the team if/when they move. I vote for the Toronto Maple Bills. ;)

  81. iloveagoodnap says: Jul 25, 2014 8:47 AM

    Everyone saying that the Bills moving to Toronto wouldn’t be that bad, please, just stop now. Because you have NO idea what youre saying.

    Western New Yorkers will NOT support the team if they move to Toronto. They are the Buffalo Bills. Moving them 2 hours away makes no difference to them. Buffalo is Buffalo, Toronto is Toronto. There is no connection between the 2, especially in sports.

    Oh, and for those saying Buffalo is a dying city that doesn’t deserve a team and blah blah– that must be why it has more revitalization projects going on than it ever has right now, has an economy that is rising for the first time in 60 years, a cease in the rapid population decline it saw for 60 years, and has been named on several lists for up and coming cities by reputable media outlets in the last year and half.

    Keep on talking without knowing a thing though.

  82. jpaq68 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:47 AM

    Of course whoever wants to buy/ends up buying the Bills is going to say that they have no intention of moving the team – they can’t feasably move for six or seven years. They will just keep telling Bills fans exactly what they want to hear because, quite frankly, they would make the next seven years a living hell. Remember, these are the same people who have never gotten past losing four Super Bowls in a row and that was almost twenty years ago.

  83. phillyphan420 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:49 AM

    I’m trying to think what would be worse for Bills fans: team moving to Toronto, or team being owned by Jon Bon Jovi?

  84. phuzzball says: Jul 25, 2014 8:49 AM

    It’s bad enough to use a bunch of lame song puns, but at least stick to Bon Jovi tunes. Just glancing through I’ve found a Mötley Crüe & a Vixen song title; so if you need help with this…”I’ll be there for you.”

  85. nflfan4now says: Jul 25, 2014 8:50 AM

    I really have to laugh at all the posters who say the Bill’s fans should be happy the team might ‘only’ move as far away as Toronto, not LA. No Bill’s fans will even think of going to Toronto to see them. Border crossing problems, no tailgating, arrogant fans…
    The Maple Laff’s are one of the Sabre’s biggest rivals right now, I can’t imagine sitting in a stadium with their fans trying to cheer the “Bill’s” on.
    If they buy the team and then are forced to stay here for the first 7 years, not only won’t the fans be planning on driving to Toronto to see them they will also abandon them here. Expect to see a very empty stadium.

  86. iloveagoodnap says: Jul 25, 2014 8:50 AM

    joetoronto says:
    Jul 25, 2014 3:59 AM
    They’re worth way more if they move, that’s just common sense.

    All small market teams will eventually move, that’s the future, like it or not
    ………………….
    You mean like all the small market teams that moved in the MLB? Because 15 years ago, that’s exactly what was said. And, how many relocations in the MLB have their been in that time? Oh, right. Just one- out of Canada, into a smaller US Market, ironically.

    Also, don’t like your own posts. It’s pathetic.

  87. happywolverine says: Jul 25, 2014 8:51 AM

    A Toronto NFL franchise would make like the Vancouver Grizzlies did: fizzle out over several years.

    Ontario is a liberal run nanny state. Tailgating would only be permitted in government run “tailgating lots”.

    This would be an epic fail

  88. sunzu717 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:55 AM

    I’ve lived in Toronto all my life and been a Bills fan since 5. 50% of fans at Ralph Wilson stadium home games, are from Toronto & surrounding Canadian towns. You drop a new stadium in Downsview or slightly outside the City where you can tailgate and the Corporations will buy up everything, what’s left will be bought up by fans for 20 years to come – like the Toronto Maple Leafs franchise and seating at the ACC. Toronto is the closest and most lucrative option for the NFL. It’s like having the LA or London market an hour away driving from Buffalo, not hours away on a plane to LA or London. Bills fans and residents should embrace this option so they can travel an hour North to watch their team – because another ownership group will take it to LA or London, despite their claims of staying in Buffalo.

    The Rogers series did not draw as much interest as expected for two reasons firstly, tickets were being sold for an enormous amount of money due to the deal they made and lastly, there was no true tailgating allowed outside the Skydome. You lower the ticket prices and allow tailgating like the Ralph and you’ll be sold out every season for 20 years within 24hrs of going on sale, mark my words.

    Good luck to Bon Jovi’s group, it’s the best thing that can happen to Buffalo by keeping their team local and viable for years.

  89. billswillnevermove says: Jul 25, 2014 8:56 AM

    Bye, Bye Bon Jovi and see ya joetoronto. You just blew it!! Keep running your mouth. Game over!! Under terms of the team’s lease with the state and county, the Bills — including Wilson’s estate — are not allowed to negotiate with anyone, who to their knowledge, has an intention of relocating the team before the end of the 2022 season, when the lease ends.

  90. Please Ban TheStrategyExpert From Posting says: Jul 25, 2014 8:59 AM

    Nothing we haven’t known all along.

    Conveniently no mention that NYS Lt Gov is a WNY native who has publicly said any owner who would want to move the Bills doesn’t know the fight theyd get from NYS to try to do so.

    Move along people. Nothing to get worked up about.

  91. Please Ban TheStrategyExpert From Posting says: Jul 25, 2014 9:04 AM

    sunzu717 says:
    Jul 25, 2014 8:55 AM
    I’ve lived in Toronto all my life and been a Bills fan since 5. 50% of fans at Ralph Wilson stadium home games, are from Toronto & surrounding Canadian towns.
    …………….
    Where do you get your facts? That is a bold face, flat out lie.

    The official numbers as released by the Bills are that 15% of fans are Canadian- not from Toronto, but in general, Canadian. And most come from within 30 minutes of the border.

    You see, I know youre not from Toronto. Because people from Toronto like all sorts of teams- almost none of which are the Bills. Toronto is Pats, Giants others. Also, you would know Torotno is 2 hours, not 1 hour, from Buffalo.

    Good post though.

  92. billswillnevermove says: Jul 25, 2014 9:06 AM

    jpaq68 says:Jul 25, 2014 8:47 AM

    Of course whoever wants to buy/ends up buying the Bills is going to say that they have no intention of moving the team – they can’t feasably move for six or seven years. They will just keep telling Bills fans exactly what they want to hear because, quite frankly, they would make the next seven years a living hell. Remember, these are the same people who have never gotten past losing four Super Bowls in a row and that was almost twenty years ago.
    _________________________________
    At least we have been to a Super Bowl, your team Jacksonville hasn’t and never will. Enjoy your home games in London next year.

  93. jeffreyshulenburg says: Jul 25, 2014 9:07 AM

    Let me put things this way. As a Bills ticket holder, I would not go to Canada for games. It adds 2 hours to an already long commute. And thats before you take into account the god awful boarder.

    18% of Bills season Ticket holders are from Rochester NY right now. And im pretty sure that number would drop to the area of 2% because of travel. When the Bills held games IN TORONTO they sold 30,000 seats. Nobody came.

    Im sorry guys. That, combined with exporting our team overseas, means that if the Bills move, even to Toronto, the NFL loses a viewer.

  94. catquick says: Jul 25, 2014 9:11 AM

    So they are liars and cheats. Is this who the NFL wants as an insider?

  95. joetoronto says: Jul 25, 2014 9:12 AM

    It’s done, time to embrace the Toronto Bills. :)

  96. happywolverine says: Jul 25, 2014 9:19 AM

    NFL belongs in America PERIOD

  97. jpaq68 says: Jul 25, 2014 9:21 AM

    billswillnevermove says:
    Jul 25, 2014 9:06 AM

    At least we have been to a Super Bowl, your team Jacksonville hasn’t and never will. Enjoy your home games in London next year.
    _________________________________
    Spoken like a true Seahawks fan.

  98. pftfan says: Jul 25, 2014 9:23 AM

    It’s not rocket science. Western New York is 400 miles northwest of New York City and it’s 8 million residents. And Buffalo plays in the 51st largest media market (smaller than Jacksonville’s – 47th).

    Buffalo too small a market to support an NFL football team. And unlike a comparable small market in Green Bay, Buffalo has no vaunted legacy to tout short of OJ Simpson and four straight Super Bowl losses.

    Sorry Buffalo, but your time is up.

  99. chad504boy says: Jul 25, 2014 9:23 AM

    If I was Steve Ballmer, I’d much rather invest in the NFL with the Bills than Clippers in the NBA. 2 billion for an NFL Franchise is much better value.

  100. pftstory says: Jul 25, 2014 9:24 AM

    $x millions in future income after buying the team and keeping it in NY.

    $$XXX millions in future income after buying the team and moving it to Toronto.

    You’ll get more investors (lenders) willing to put up more money if you can promise them a greater return.
    This is how Bon Jovi, on a measly 80’s rocker income, can compete with the bids of billionaires.

    So from his view, he can acquire the team and move it to Toronto, or he can not afford to acquire the team. If your goal is to own a team, which option would you pursue, the one that ends up with you owning a team or the one where you can’t?

    So he may upset many Bills fans if successful, but he’ll make many in Toronto happy. Terms with the lease may be great hurdles, but they can be worked around $$$.
    He’s going to need to want to work a ton harder and offer a ton more than anyone who wants to keep the team in the Buffalo area.

  101. thetooloftools says: Jul 25, 2014 9:25 AM

    If the Bill fans think the team will stay in Buffalo, they’re “Livin’ On A Prayer”. :o)

  102. laughingstockmafia says: Jul 25, 2014 9:26 AM

    Please Ban TheStrategyExpert From Posting says:
    Jul 25, 2014 8:59 AM .

    Move along people. Nothing to get worked up about.
    _______________________________
    Sure seems that you and billswillnevermove are pretty worked up about it.

  103. billswillnevermove says: Jul 25, 2014 9:29 AM

    joetoronto says:Jul 25, 2014 9:12 AM

    It’s done, time to embrace the Toronto Bills.
    __________________________________
    In your dreams………..won’t happen, never will. Go away troll.

  104. wwwmattcom says: Jul 25, 2014 9:31 AM

    If that group purchases the team, just imagine a huge boycott. They would lose 2 billion just as quickly as the team is sold.

    What would other profit sharing owners think?

    Expansion team maybe, then when it fails, send them to the LA abyss.

  105. theravens1 says: Jul 25, 2014 9:33 AM

    Bon jovi should run for mayor of Toronto too! If Toronto buys the Bills, they could promote lying as one of their most honored traditions up there!! Where is Jimmy Kimmel and his follow up on this?? #jimmykimmel

  106. tictoccpthook says: Jul 25, 2014 9:36 AM

    The Bill’s stadium is in Orchard Park, not Buffalo. Likewise the Patriots stadium is not in Boston, the Cowboys stadium is not in Dallas. The Giants and Jets stadium is not in New York State. Moving the Bill’s stadium across the river to Ontario would keep it closer to Buffalo than the current stadium is, and closer than the Cowboys are to Dallas or the Patriot’s are to Boston, the Giants or Jets are to NYC.

  107. kane337 says: Jul 25, 2014 9:39 AM

    From a business standpoint moving the team to Toronto makes perfect sense to expand your game to another country and tap into that huge market. The NFL will get more money just from the next TV contract negotiations not to mention all the new money they will generate from merchandise sales.

    Sorry to break the news to long time Bills fans but nobody cares if you won’t go to Toronto to support the team. There aren’t enough of you to support them now. Hence the small market label. You have had all these past decades to develop the teams national brand like the Packers and Steelers have. If they had done so they would not be considered a small market team.

    No doubt the NFL wants a Canadian team.

  108. luvnlfe says: Jul 25, 2014 9:40 AM

    How bad does’ Jaw’s look right now… Bon Jovi let his buddy put his reputation behind a half baked story…something to be said for a partner that lets a partner swing in the wind…i think the work is “jerk”

  109. sunzu717 says: Jul 25, 2014 9:45 AM

    Please Ban TheStrategyExpert From Posting says:

    Where do you get your facts? That is a bold face, flat out lie.

    The official numbers as released by the Bills are that 15% of fans are Canadian- not from Toronto, but in general, Canadian. And most come from within 30 minutes of the border.

    You see, I know youre not from Toronto. Because people from Toronto like all sorts of teams- almost none of which are the Bills. Toronto is Pats, Giants others. Also, you would know Torotno is 2 hours, not 1 hour, from Buffalo.

    Good post though.
    ———————————————-

    I am from Toronto, and yes you can get to Buffalo in a good hour + driving fast like I do. Most come from 30 mins within the border really? In thousands of bus loads? We are not all Pats & Giants fans, like you’ve stated – we fill up the Ralph at every home game and it’s not 15%, it’s closer to 50% sorry to break the news to you. Where do you think all those travel buses come from Amherst? lol. We have the money to sustain the Bills for years, Buffalo does not – it’s that simple. The NHL, MLB & the NBA are here to stay we need the NFL badly.

    The bidders from Buffalo who claim to keep the team there WILL move it to LA or London – if they can’t purchase it for less than 900 million. They will not pay North of 900 million to keep it in Buffalo – simple economics. We are your only viable and local option, don’t you get that? Keep fighting it and end up in LA or London then we both lose.

  110. rdrfan says: Jul 25, 2014 9:54 AM

    Another stab in the back for us fans. How much longer will we put up with it is the question. Sad Sad

  111. jpaq68 says: Jul 25, 2014 9:59 AM

    sunzu717 says:
    Jul 25, 2014 9:45 AM

    They will not pay North of 900 million to keep it in Buffalo – simple economics. We are your only viable and local option, don’t you get that? Keep fighting it and end up in LA or London then we both lose.
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    Agreed, but I think the threshold may be a little higher that $900 million – $950 million perhaps. If the Bills sell for more than than that then the new owner(s) plan on either moving the team or expect the local/state government to give them a new venue. If contruction isn’t started on a new stadium by 2018 at the latest then the new owners will most likely move – they’re not going to let Cuomo and the rest of those clowns in Albany blow smoke at them for any longer than that.

  112. billswillnevermove says: Jul 25, 2014 10:05 AM

    sunzu717 says:Jul 25, 2014 9:45 AM

    Please Ban TheStrategyExpert From Posting says:

    Where do you get your facts? That is a bold face, flat out lie.

    The official numbers as released by the Bills are that 15% of fans are Canadian- not from Toronto, but in general, Canadian. And most come from within 30 minutes of the border.

    You see, I know youre not from Toronto. Because people from Toronto like all sorts of teams- almost none of which are the Bills. Toronto is Pats, Giants others. Also, you would know Torotno is 2 hours, not 1 hour, from Buffalo.

    Good post though.
    ———————————————-

    I am from Toronto, and yes you can get to Buffalo in a good hour + driving fast like I do. Most come from 30 mins within the border really? In thousands of bus loads? We are not all Pats & Giants fans, like you’ve stated – we fill up the Ralph at every home game and it’s not 15%, it’s closer to 50% sorry to break the news to you. Where do you think all those travel buses come from Amherst? lol. We have the money to sustain the Bills for years, Buffalo does not – it’s that simple. The NHL, MLB & the NBA are here to stay we need the NFL badly.

    The bidders from Buffalo who claim to keep the team there WILL move it to LA or London – if they can’t purchase it for less than 900 million. They will not pay North of 900 million to keep it in Buffalo – simple economics. We are your only viable and local option, don’t you get that? Keep fighting it and end up in LA or London then we both lose.
    _________________________________
    50%? You are nuts!! Not even close!!! You rubberheads from Toronto can enjoy the only sport you have, the Maple Laughs……..The Bills move to Toronto when the Maple Laughs win the Cup, which is never!!

  113. pftfan says: Jul 25, 2014 10:13 AM

    tictoccpthook says: Jul 25, 2014 9:36 AM

    Moving the Bill’s stadium across the river to Ontario would keep it closer to Buffalo than the current stadium is, and closer than the Cowboys are to Dallas or the Patriot’s are to Boston, the Giants or Jets are to NYC.

    ——————–

    Metlife Stadium is only 11 miles away from midtown Manhattan.

    Toronto is 99 miles away from Buffalo.

    People get hung up on this whole New York/New Jersey thing, and don’t realize there’s a “New York” Tri-State Metropolitan region that forms a 20-mile perimeter around New York City that also includes Northern New Jersey and Southern Connecticut.

    Saying someone from Buffalo is more “New Yorker” than a Hoboken resident who commutes 10 minutes into Manhattan everyday is ridiculous. People from Buffalo maybe residents of New York State, but they aren’t “New Yorkers”.

  114. Please Ban TheStrategyExpert From Posting says: Jul 25, 2014 10:23 AM

    @sunzu

    Dude, you are lying through your keyboard, and I don’t get why.

    Toronto is 110 miles from Ralph Wilson. In no world, between Toronto and game day Bills traffic, is that taking an hour.

    You’re not breaking news to me. Facts are facts. The Buffalo Bills have their own numbers on where their fans and ticket sales come from, and sorry to break it to you, but I’m going to take their word over yours. You’re really trying to argue with the numbers the team itself releases? Is that a joke?

    Local bidders like Pegula, Golisano, etc- anyone who is from WNY- IS NOT going to move them. You clearly know nothing about Buffalo or the Bills if you don’t think its viable, and if you think they wont pay more than 900 million. Like, have you followed any of the sale thus far, at all? It doesn’t take much research to know that’s not true. The Bills are in the top 2/3 of the league in revenue despite not having won a thing in 15 years. You don’t think with a new owner, new stadium and new success they wouldn’t only generate more? Please. And clearly you know nothing about Buffalo itself- it absolutely has the money to sustain long term. If you take off your Toronto colored glasses you might clear the arrogance out of your field of vision and realize there IS money in WNY, despite your misguided stereotypes. And, the Bills have been in WNY for 50+ years. So where is your evidence that cant continue?

    Lastly- Bills fans would not consider a move to Toronto regional. They would consider it the death of their team, and that would be that.

    But again- great counterpost.

  115. officialgame says: Jul 25, 2014 10:29 AM

    When the Philadelphia Soul won the Arena league title in 2010 Bon Jovi promised a free concert for the fans. We are still waiting. His word means nothing Bills fans so beware.

  116. deadlevelbest says: Jul 25, 2014 10:30 AM

    ITT people think that a person who lives in New York isn’t a New Yorker.

    Such dumb.

  117. iloveagoodnap says: Jul 25, 2014 10:35 AM

    sunzu717 says:

    The bidders from Buffalo who claim to keep the team there WILL move it to LA or London – if they can’t purchase it for less than 900 million. They will not pay North of 900 million to keep it in Buffalo – simple economics. We are your only viable and local option, don’t you get that? Keep fighting it and end up in LA or London then we both lose.
    ……………………
    Where is your evidence for saying new owners will move the team if they cant get it for 900 million? In the fact one prospective owner just cleared $1.75 billion of his assets to liquid, in addition to the billion plus of liquid he already had, as part of his $5 billion net worth? Is it the fact that the local bidders have met with local investors, and local deveopers about a new local stadium?

    And where is your evidence Buffalo is not viable? Is it the fact the economy and city as a whole are improving? The fact they’ve supported them for 55 years? Saying its simple economics isn’t a fact if you don’t support it with evidence.

    Bills fans don’t care if its LA London Toronto- anywhere that isn’t Buffalo means goodbye to their team and their support. So, no, its NOT their only viable option. Google the topic and youll find pretty quickly that even writiers for your own Toronto Sun don’t forsee the Bills going anywhere.

    If you want to be credible, do your research and support your claims with facts. Claims without facts are meaningless.

  118. deadlevelbest says: Jul 25, 2014 10:39 AM

    Also the Bills are profitable and will remain so into the future, especially if they start winning. Why would anyone spend $2.5 billion to move a profitable franchise to gain marginally more yearly income?

  119. iloveagoodnap says: Jul 25, 2014 10:42 AM

    kane337 says:
    Jul 25, 2014 9:39 AM

    Sorry to break the news to long time Bills fans but nobody cares if you won’t go to Toronto to support the team. There aren’t enough of you to support them now. Hence the small market label. You have had all these past decades to develop the teams national brand like the Packers and Steelers have. If they had done so they would not be considered a small market team.
    ………………..
    Well, this is one of the more ignorant things I’ve read, ever.

    1) Green Bay and Pittsburgh are absolutely considered small market teams. Small market is about the size of the- shocker- MARKET you play in. Not your brand.
    2) The Bills play in the 2nd smallest market- behind only Green Bay, and yet are in the top 2/3 in revenue.
    3) The fans don’t support the team? They currently are in the biggest rut in NFL history and still have support and sell outs early on. In recent years the sell outs have dwindled later in year because fans are tired of going to see anther 3-8 team in another pointless November game, for the 14th year in a row.

    Get your facts straight before spewing out claims that are said like fact with 0 evidence behind them.

  120. gtownbengals says: Jul 25, 2014 10:59 AM

    An NFL team in Toronto would be immensely popular and a huge success. The Greater Toronto Area has a population of 6M and is expected to grow to 10M over the next 25 – 30 years, more than enough to draw a fan base. In addition, a significant portion of the population are rabid football fans, but unfortunately have allegiances to other teams. Of my 8 closest buddies who all live in the GTA (We’re all huge fans, attend games both Bills and other, have the NFL TV package), but we all cheer for different teams, only 1 Bills fan in the bunch.

    However, if the team was a Toronto based team, I’m sure some of those allegiances would change (Not mine though).

    The Bills Toronto Series was a failure due to a some of the following reasons:

    1. Ticket prices were ridiculous, more than double that of attending a game in Buffalo itself. We went to Buffalo on a different weekend instead.

    2. The tailgating was restricted and only purchased alcohol from the licensed groups was allowed.

    3. The teams scheduled were brutal.

    I love attending a game a year in Buffalo and don’t want the team to move, but Toronto is a viable NFL option.

  121. Louis CK's Gut says: Jul 25, 2014 11:00 AM

    Im a Bills fan. Fact of the matter is we wouldn’t support them in Canada. It might not make sense to those of you outside of the situation, and its not worth explaning. It’s just the way it is. To 99% of Bills fans in Buffalo/Rochester, the Bills leaving, even if only to Toronto, we would consider them dead to us. They are our team, not Toronto’s, and that’s the way we see it.

    I just hope it doesn’t happen. There are plenty of people in WNY who have money and can make it happen. This news is no surprise. Let’s just hope things work out. Buffalo can and would support the team if it stayed. Anyone who says different just doesn’t know the facts. But who cares.

    Go Bills and stay in Buffalo- that’ s what it comes down to.

  122. Louis CK's Gut says: Jul 25, 2014 11:07 AM

    pftfan says:
    Jul 25, 2014 9:23 AM
    It’s not rocket science. Western New York is 400 miles northwest of New York City and it’s 8 million residents.
    …………….
    What does the proximity to NYC have to do with anything in this matter?

    Buffalo and NYC are by no means connected other than the fact they share the same state. There are 4major cities (Columbus, Cleveland, Detroit, Pittsburgh) within less miles of Buffalo than NY. Buffalo’s viability has 0 to do with NYC.

    So, I guess I fail to see what your point is?

  123. joetoronto says: Jul 25, 2014 11:07 AM

    They need to change the logo and put money bills on the helmet instead of buffalos.

    The Toronto Bills. :)

  124. jimijammworld says: Jul 25, 2014 11:09 AM

    sunzu717, I’ll forget more then you’ll ever know about the Bills and the market. Stop putting misinformation out there. If 50% Canadian people were already going to games, then there would be no need to regionalize.

    Mensa members litter this comments section.

  125. phcist says: Jul 25, 2014 11:10 AM

    Couldn’t they write a clause in contract of sale forbidding a move out of Buffalo for 50 years?

  126. billswillnevermove says: Jul 25, 2014 11:23 AM

    joetoronto says:Jul 25, 2014 11:07 AM

    They need to change the logo and put money bills on the helmet instead of buffalos.

    The Toronto Bills
    __________________________________
    You are a troll, always have been on this site, always will be. How are your Raiders doing? Funny how a 56 yr old dude wants to troll on a Bills post like he is 2 yrs old. Grow up.

  127. Buffalol Bills Fan says: Jul 25, 2014 11:27 AM

    This isn’t something new. It’s no secret Toronto, London, LA are all more viable economically. They’re more viable economically for more teams in the NFL than not, in fact. But that doesn’t mean Buffalo isn’t viable. It absolutely is, and there are people here to get it done. Let’s just hope they do, and this team actually starts winning again. People forget, part of their recent struggles is because we have been worse than any other fanbase (except the Bengals) can relate to. No playoffs this year sets a record.

    Go Bills!

  128. rcali says: Jul 25, 2014 11:30 AM

    God Dell should be happy to hear this since he wants to export NFL teams so bad.

  129. joetoronto says: Jul 25, 2014 11:56 AM

    The NFL will make an exception and let them play in the Rogers Centre, while the new stadium is being built.

    This cuts down on the amount of lame duck time tremendously.

    Ladies and gentlemen, welcome your Toronto Bills. :)

  130. kane337 says: Jul 25, 2014 12:45 PM

    Oregon Raiders, London Jaguars, Toronto Bills

  131. billswillnevermove says: Jul 25, 2014 1:40 PM

    joetoronto says:Jul 25, 2014 11:56 AM

    The NFL will make an exception and let them play in the Rogers Centre, while the new stadium is being built.

    This cuts down on the amount of lame duck time tremendously.

    Ladies and gentlemen, welcome your Toronto Bills.
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    Been to Rogers Centre, will never go back again……took me months to get that Canadian stench out of my clothes.

  132. fireeyes111 says: Jul 25, 2014 3:21 PM

    How do you people not understand that NFL teams can be “viable” literally anywhere? You could plop an NFL team down in the middle of North Dakota and between national TV revenue, team-related revenue-sharing, and the payroll cost certainty offered by a hard salary cap fixed to a relatively small share of football-related revenue, the team wouldn’t ever need to sell a single ticket and it would STILL turn a profit. Probably not a big one, based on how much debt the team had to take on as a result of financing a team purchase or stadium, but it would still make money.

    The debate here has never been about whether or not the Bills can make money playing in Buffalo, because the answer to that is a very obvious yes (inarguably so, in fact). The question is whether they can make ENOUGH money to satisfy the hawks in the NFL boardroom, guys like Dan Snyder and Jerry Jones, who care far more about the bottom line than the image, history, or soul of the league.

    If, like some, you see the NFL as purely a business, then the answer to that question is obvious; the Bills (and several other teams) should be moved. LA should have two teams, so should Chicago; NYC should have three, and every decision that’s made should have the bottom-line be the first and really only consideration.

    If, however, you believe that sports are more than just a business, that civic pride and history and a shared sense of community and camaraderie are valuable as ends in their own right, then moving the Bills, a historic team with a historic owner and part of the fabric of what made the NFL what it is today, would be an affront to everything sports in America are supposed to be about.

    You want to rip the most significant piece of civic pride from the hands of a truly beloved community, from an incredibly dedicated fanbase who eat, sleep, and breathe the Bills as something approximating a religion, be my guest. But that day will be the beginning of the end of the NFL, the moment when the league forgot what enabled it to become the most successful sports league in the world in the first place. May any true fan is the game rite the day when that happens.

    Paul Brown was called a communist for supporting revenue-sharing. Ralph Wilson gave Al Davis money from his own pocket to keep the Raiders afloat. Let us not disgrace their memories.

  133. seadawgs72 says: Jul 26, 2014 6:59 AM

    @jpaq68

    Wo dude. Leave the Seahawks out of this.

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