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Doug Baldwin, Pete Carroll have different views on contracts

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Seahawks coach Pete Carroll and Seahawks wide receiver Doug Baldwin do not agree about the holdout of running back Marshawn Lynch.

Carroll says Lynch needs to get to camp because Lynch signed a contract and needs to honor it. But shortly after Carroll made those comments, Baldwin took to Twitter and said he hates hearing from NFL teams about how players have to honor their contracts, because teams routinely cut players who have years left on their contracts.

“I hate the ‘but you signed the contract’ argument,” Baldwin wrote. “Players can’t say that s–t when organizations cut them.”

Baldwin’s view is a common one among NFL players, who often complain that their contracts don’t have the same guarantees of their colleagues in professional baseball and basketball. Lynch’s holdout may not be exposing a rift within the Super Bowl champions’ locker room, but it is at the very least demonstrating that players and coaches often have very different views about what it means to live up to a contract.

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  1. 12thlegion says: Jul 25, 2014 8:11 PM

    Just anything to bust on the best. SAD.

  2. madmike66 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:12 PM

    The players should have told the NFLPA that guaranteed contracts were their priority, not the overall percentage of revenue. The owners sit back and laugh and laugh when the players negotiate for a few more percentage points and leave guaranteed contracts off the table.

  3. slugbaitspace says: Jul 25, 2014 8:12 PM

    Angry Doug Baldwin seems a little more angry today than usual…

  4. ialwayswantedtobeabanker says: Jul 25, 2014 8:13 PM

    Baldwin’s view is absolutely legit.

    NFL “contracts” are a one-way street, where NFL teams can cast players adrift that still have X years left on their “contract” with impunity. But players who have a change of heart face an entirely different set of “rules” and consequences.

    In my opinion, Baldwin made a very valid point.

  5. trollhammer20 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:14 PM

    I’m confused. Doesn’t the contract read that the team has the right to cut the player at any time? Likewise, a player can retire if he wants to, at any time.

    If the players want guaranteed contracts for the full terms, then they need to hold out until they get contract language that reflects this (good luck).

  6. odiemon65 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:15 PM

    He’s right, you know.

  7. patriotsarespygaters says: Jul 25, 2014 8:15 PM

    that is why it is hard to repeat SB win in the nfl ,players want to get paid….goodluck trying though

  8. buffaloisadumpsterandtheirfansaremorons says: Jul 25, 2014 8:16 PM

    NFL is dying. Viewership will be down 6% this year.

  9. edenprairieballer says: Jul 25, 2014 8:16 PM

    #SCHISM

  10. tizomps says: Jul 25, 2014 8:19 PM

    Did Pete Carroll honor his contract at USC?

  11. politicallyincorrect says: Jul 25, 2014 8:22 PM

    somehow I would trust pretty much anyone more than Pete Carroll

  12. sumkat says: Jul 25, 2014 8:22 PM

    Bad move by Carroil to say anything. Should of just said “I want him here, but that is out of our hands. We are moving forward with the guys we have here, and they will get an opportunity to show what they can do”

    Saying a player has to honor a contract, when you have routinely released guys that haven’t performed up to their contract (and will most likely be doing so again in the upcoming weeks), is just asking for a coach/player split

  13. billybone says: Jul 25, 2014 8:22 PM

    As a Hawks fan, Pete and John need to nip this in the bud. It’s starting to be BS and we all know a house divided is no recipe for success. Each person has the right to their own opinion but Pete and Doug should know better and to keep this in house.

  14. scrp2 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:24 PM

    Marshawn’s contract is 18 million guaranteed, 31 million total. Russell Wilson makes $17 an hour.

  15. kylexitron says: Jul 25, 2014 8:24 PM

    They are both right.

    Lynch should get to work and honor his contract.

    And teams should have to honor their end of it if the players do, so Baldwin is correct as well, even if that’s not the way it works – it’s still okay to think it should.

    Trying to frame this as a disagreement between coach and player to sensationalize it is a bit of a stretch though.

  16. faepernick says: Jul 25, 2014 8:26 PM

    Seahawks imploding as we speak. Players disagreeing with the coaches publicly, what a mess Seattle is. Without Lynch, this team will be in the bottom half of the league on offense. A bunch of cawks.

  17. doe22us says: Jul 25, 2014 8:30 PM

    Simple then players should do a yr over yr contract.. Lynch was happy when he signed his,but in the light of the others getting paid somewhat is his warped up logic he deserves more coin. And the note of Doug Baldwin wish he would have said that before he signed his. Now that he is signed he is letting fly.

  18. braceyourselffor12 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:33 PM

    Beginning of the end for this never proud joke of a franchise.

    The Seahack troll base are such losers that they can’t tell when they’ve won, so rather than enjoy their time in the sun they talk smack about other teams.

    It looks like hubris has finally caught up with you.

  19. dfwhawkguy says: Jul 25, 2014 8:36 PM

    Best coach in the NFL? Check. Best GM in the NFL? Check. In PCJS we trust. #nextmanup

  20. jetsfan67 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:38 PM

    Seahawks imploding.

  21. kkalama1 says: Jul 25, 2014 8:40 PM

    Thumbs down if your team will still be scared of Seattle when they play, thumbs up if you know that the seahawks will be even stronger this year. Lynch will be there come gameday. Now move on boys

  22. norcalmafia says: Jul 25, 2014 8:41 PM

    Seahawk players sound just like their fanbase…Never had success then dont know how to act when they find it!

    Back under the bridge with this fraud franchise and their fake bandwagon fans….implosion in 3…2….1

    #@Even Seattle writers have articles on the huge bandwagon Seattle fans (google it)
    #@ I guess the sun shined one day in Seattle..Now here comes the rain
    #@your city sucks

  23. whereyaat says: Jul 25, 2014 8:42 PM

    The players should have told the NFLPA that guaranteed contracts were their priority, not the overall percentage of revenue. The owners sit back and laugh and laugh when the players negotiate for a few more percentage points and leave guaranteed contracts off the table.
    ====================================

    Maybe the most accurate comment I have ever read on NFL contract negotiations. You sir, just won the Internet, for calling out the players on their “SMH” tactics.

    I get it – retirement plans and health care are important – but having guaranteed contracts would make an incredible difference. How are they the only league without guaranteed contracts? What a joke of a union. They need new leadership.

  24. mackcarrington says: Jul 25, 2014 8:42 PM

    The NFLPA sold their players down the river a long time ago.

  25. Marshawn Lunch says: Jul 25, 2014 8:46 PM

    Seahawks fans understand this. The team is getting out some frustration openly and honestly. They may fight and argue, but at the end of the day it’s because a.) they all want to get paid [coaches, owners and players alike] and b.) they all want to win.

    The front office is saying what it needs to say to maintain leverage. Lynch is doing what he needs to create whatever leverage he can. And Baldwin is calling it like he sees it (the way we all see it).

    tizomps asks: Did Pete Carroll honor his contract at USC?

    Yes, he did. He didn’t break any of the terms in his contract by taking the NFL job. Read the terms of his contract.

    Trollhammer asks: Doesn’t the contract read that the team has the right to cut the player at any time? Likewise, a player can retire if he wants to, at any time.

    Yes. If a team cuts a player he can look for work elsewhere right away. That’s not quite the case if he “retires” ala Brett Favor. It IS up to the player and his agents to seek the best terms possible but a player will be waiting for a long time (forever) to get the kind of contract you’re talking about.

    Madmike66 says: the NFLPA missed the boat on guaranteed contracts.

    But the players do get some benefit out of the current arrangement. And anyway, the union would never have been able to persuade the league to do the kind of contracts other sports get. Players get hurt too often.

    Coach Carroll and GM Schneider are saying what they need to say and if I’m right then you’ll see Marshawn Lynch plowing through offensive linemen by week 1. Lynch has a pretty fair contract as it stands, but Adrian Peterson’s contract is ruining this situation. Adrian is making crazy top money, but he’s got only slightly better stats over the last three years than Lynch. Lynch is easily the 2nd best running back in the league right now but he’s not making the 2nd most. Lynch doesn’t need an extension. He needs the rest of his two years to pay more. And I think he deserves it.

  26. georgeexley says: Jul 25, 2014 8:47 PM

    Do BB and BB players get huge signing bonuses ?

  27. rickgjags says: Jul 25, 2014 8:47 PM

    what about this? every player gets an agreed upon minimum and then at the end of the season they get bonuses based on performance, games played, etc… no contracts needed. hello futbol! transfer fees!

  28. brenenostler says: Jul 25, 2014 8:49 PM

    Hey Doug, players get cut for not living up to their contracts.

  29. justanotherdummy says: Jul 25, 2014 8:50 PM

    Baldwin is ignorant and should know better. The players keep their guaranteed money that they receive when they sign the contract. Thats the signing bonus. They keep that even if cut. The yearly salary is really a commission paid according to your value to the team. PlAyers don’t complain when a team eats a contract for a bum.

  30. jacqvoncc says: Jul 25, 2014 8:54 PM

    Good lord! Do you trolls have nothing better to do than sit at your computers all day praying for the next Hawks article to be posted so you can be the first to fly in and bash them? Talking bout “oh, all Seahawks fans do is trash talk every other team”. Is that not what all of you on these boards are doing? So it’s OK for you to trash talk Seattle but the second they mention one thing about your crappy team they’re “a joke of a franchise”. Go cry to your mommies. Seattle dominated in the Super Bowl, were crowned World Champs and will once again prove all you doubters wrong this season.

  31. rrhoe says: Jul 25, 2014 8:57 PM

    For what the players put their bodies through I wouldn’t have no problem with them fighting for guaranteed contracts.

  32. Ground Chuck says: Jul 25, 2014 8:58 PM

    Thi$ i$n’t about money for Mar$hawn Lynch, it’$ about principle. “It$ all about that action Bo$$.” #Bea$t mode

  33. number1hawkfan says: Jul 25, 2014 9:03 PM

    One day into training camp and the hawk haters are predicting an implosion. What a bunch of trolls you all are. Go on the internet and do some research. On a local sports radio show Baldwin was on today and trust me the hawks are fine. Nothing to see here. Sorry haters another year of dominance up here in Seattle.

  34. igocommando says: Jul 25, 2014 9:05 PM

    Marshawn Lunch says: Jul 25, 2014 8:46 PM

    tizomps asks: Did Pete Carroll honor his contract at USC?

    Yes, he did. He didn’t break any of the terms in his contract by taking the NFL job. Read the terms of his contract.
    ………………………………..
    Where can I read the terms of his contract?

  35. footballfan72 says: Jul 25, 2014 9:08 PM

    Ask Pete about USC and honoring his commitment to integrity.

  36. northphxniner says: Jul 25, 2014 9:11 PM

    I hate w hen players complain that the team can terminate the contract at any time. The rest of us don’t have contracts and could be fired/laid off by our companies for any number of reasons, and most of us don’t make millions take the money you make and agreed to make and do your job.

  37. metalhead65 says: Jul 25, 2014 9:12 PM

    funny you do not hear anyone complain when they get their fully guaranteed signing bonus do you? that means you may “only” get 5 million a year like lynch but he already got paid a huge signing bonus. that means he could have broken his leg after signing it and never played again but he still keeps it. if you want more per year then take less up front or better yet sign a 1 year deal because you know somebody else will get more than you. but players don’t want that because what if they have a bad year? shut up and honor your deal!

  38. ufanforreal says: Jul 25, 2014 9:17 PM

    LMAOROF

  39. geejon says: Jul 25, 2014 9:22 PM

    1) Players often don’t live up to their contract and are cut having after receiving tens of millions in “guaranteed” money.

    2) When a player is cut, nothing is stopping that player from signing on with another team. He’s cut because 9/10 times it’s cuz he’s not performing at the level he’s being paid anymore. So they’re crying because teams have the right to stop overpaying them?

    Too funny. The ridiculousness of guaranteed contracts in other sports has made some people believe it’s the NFL that has it backwards rather than the other way around. It’s gotten people to feel it’s more fair that a Matt Kemp given an 8-year $160mil contract based on him playing like an all-star but falling completely apart and playing horrendous for 3 years and with 5 more years left with no worries about losing a penny is perfectly fair …. but a team cutting a guy who stinks in the NFL is totally evil.

  40. dagator8888 says: Jul 25, 2014 9:23 PM

    Love the guys that say the owners hold all the cards, After signing for big bonuses how many players get the big check then don’t live up to their contract or have a career ending injury. Yeah, the owners can cut them any time they like. Generally when they are not worth the pay. How terrible. That never happens in the real world.

  41. dpinchot says: Jul 25, 2014 9:24 PM

    Why should NFL teams guarantee contracts? It seems to me that every time a player signed a very large contact, their performance drops or gets hurt. Carl Nicks….

    Listen, if a team cuts a player with two years left on a large contract, there is usually a very large cap hit. Those cap dollars are valuable. The man signed the deal, and knows he has the option of playing out his contract or retiring. The team could also cut him, leave the contract alone or renegotiate. At his age, his next contact is going to be a league min with years of service.. about 3.8 million. Let him stay out.. He will never see those lost dollars again.

  42. blueballzny says: Jul 25, 2014 9:25 PM

    I’ve never seen such an arrogant fan base as these bandwagon Seattle fans. You can lump together all of the Ravens, Giants, and Packers fan on this site and you still wouldn’t get all of the garbage that these Seahawks fans spew. Where were all of these fairweather Seattle fans the last 30 years?

  43. nosleeptilsb says: Jul 25, 2014 9:40 PM

    Great news! I scored a $9 million dollar lotto ticket at a Tom Thumb in Panama City a half an hour ago! When it pays off I got the 1st crisp $20 bill going towards the pay Marshawn petition! Whoop whoop!

  44. punkin2x74 says: Jul 25, 2014 9:40 PM

    However contracts are contracts. They can be negotiated. If you want to be garunteed x amount of years then you change that line item of your contract. AND if you don’t want to be cut early in your contract then you get your numbers up AND you perform. A team isn’t going to cut you because your their #1 player. So. Get back to the grass Lynch.

  45. redjorgy says: Jul 25, 2014 9:43 PM

    Sounds like the players are finally realizing how crappy the NFLPA are at negotiating.

  46. seatownballers says: Jul 25, 2014 9:49 PM

    Keep trolling
    We’ll keep winning

  47. capn0bvious says: Jul 25, 2014 9:54 PM

    I love how people are salivating, looking for any cracks in the Seahawk’s armor.. Lynch is important, but he’s not the whole team. Life goes on without him, Seattle has other guys who are hungry. When Percy Harvin came up injured last year, people were crowing “that’s it, you guys are DONE!” oops.. won the Super Bowl. No ONE player is the life or death of the team, at least not in Seattle.

  48. norcalmafia says: Jul 25, 2014 9:56 PM

    People call your franchise a joke because it is one..In all seriousness Seahawk fans you had the best team in football last year but you even know you had one of the weakest fanbases and no history it is what it is..So now you go puffing out your chests and trying to clown on other franchises after one win is a very bad look..And honestly…that 12 thing you guys are so proud of..everyone thinks its really lame not just Niner fans..I mean after every team wins a SB your gonna get your bandwagon fans but this is just ridiculous. .You went from one of the smallest fanbases anywhere to hella people loving your team and sporting twelve flags..cmon…..I feel sorry for real Seahawk fans that stuck through the hard times cause they deserve these wins..but you have a huge amount of people making your fan base look really bad and ignorant

  49. restorativejusticeprogram says: Jul 25, 2014 10:07 PM

    One reason baseball is dying is because guys are getting paid tens of millions for doing nothing or not producing. People love football because give all they have to EARN that check!

  50. realitycheckbaby says: Jul 25, 2014 10:16 PM

    All the crying by fans of other teams is funny,

    We are the best team in football.

    Your teams are not.

    Quit embarrassing yourselves and live with it.

  51. realitycheckbaby says: Jul 25, 2014 10:20 PM

    People call your franchise a joke because it is one..In all seriousness Seahawk fans you had the best team in football last year but you even know you had one of the weakest fanbases and no history it is what it is..So now you go puffing out your chests and trying to clown on other franchises after one win is a very bad look..And honestly…that 12 thing you guys are so proud of..everyone thinks its really lame not just Niner fans..I mean after every team wins a SB your gonna get your bandwagon fans but this is just ridiculous. .You went from one of the smallest fanbases anywhere to hella people loving your team and sporting twelve flags..cmon…..I feel sorry for real Seahawk fans that stuck through the hard times cause they deserve these wins..but you have a huge amount of people making your fan base look really bad and ignorant
    ==============

    First, drunk posting rules.

    Second, not a single niner player ever won a Superbowl.

    Finally, your fans needed instructions on how to be fans… INSTRUCTIONS!!!!

    WOW.

    EMBARRASSING!

  52. gawdyourteamsucks says: Jul 25, 2014 10:29 PM

    There’s no way the Seahawks beat the Niners in the playoffs last year without Lynch. Even with home field.

  53. whodat5150 says: Jul 25, 2014 10:35 PM

    Okay Coach Carroll, so you’re saying that Seattle honors EVERY contract and that no players have ever been cut/released, prior to the end of their SIGNED contracts?

  54. jacqvoncc says: Jul 25, 2014 10:39 PM

    What is your obsession with the Hawks, Norcal? By the way you cry and whine about them on EVERY SINGLE article, you’d think they beat your medicore team out of chance to go to the Superbowl. Oh wait, that’s exactly what they did! You still crying yourself to sleep at night over that complete domination in the big game? I’ve never heard a grown man so butthurt about another team’s fanbase. Sorry we’re loud, and that we don’t need instructions on what team colors to wear or how to cheer. I’m standing as I write this btw…should I be worried about being handed a memo by guest services telling me that’s not allowed?

  55. pkrlvr says: Jul 25, 2014 10:40 PM

    Perhaps if 75% of the players in the NFL didn’t immediately lay down on the job as soon as they got their payday they’d get guaranteed contracts. Can you imagine how happy Haynesworth would be if that were the case. These guys have lost touch with reality! A lot of them are mental midgets who’d be nothing without professional sports yet they don’t want to show up and play a game for $5mil a year because some other loser held out for $8 mil. Get some perspective! I’d cut off my wife’s favorite finger just to take a couple snaps and these guys are pissing and moaning about doing it for millions.

  56. snoqualmieterry says: Jul 25, 2014 10:43 PM

    If a team cuts a player under contract they still get paid, don’t they?

  57. djstat says: Jul 25, 2014 10:50 PM

    Players get these signing bonues that pay ten millions BEFORE services are rendered. They could blow out a knee the next month at otas and never play again but get to keep all that bonus money. No sympathy.

    Lynch was part of the union that agreed to these rules get into camp. Oh and Lunch got paid despite numerous police incidents

  58. akboot says: Jul 25, 2014 10:52 PM

    Then get a different job you idiot.

  59. seahawkfanfrom1970s says: Jul 25, 2014 11:02 PM

    To the Niner trolls and the Jet trolls and the Viking trolls and the one Indy troll: I hear McDonald’s is hiring.

  60. peopletrains says: Jul 25, 2014 11:15 PM

    He’s right.

  61. deadeyedesign23 says: Jul 25, 2014 11:16 PM

    If you ask USC they have the same views on contracts.

  62. norcalmafia says: Jul 25, 2014 11:32 PM

    Where were you tough guys 3 years ago….bwahahahahahahah…still havent got an answer…
    #@does Seattle even have an airport
    #@oaklahoma city is waiting

  63. norcalmafia says: Jul 25, 2014 11:36 PM

    You know whqts really embarrassing? A whole franchise who is proud of a logo they stile from a college team and cant even retire real jerseys because theyre on of the weakest franchises in the history of sports…let alone football…bwahahahahaha

    #@you guys are the shame of Canada
    #@Subaru Outback the official car of the Seattle Seahawks…and trail mix

  64. coachglove says: Jul 25, 2014 11:41 PM

    I guess I’m crazy…because Carroll did fulfill the terms of his contract at USC. His contract contained a buyout clause, which he exercised. That constitutes “meeting the terms” of his contract. The Seahawks (and all NFL teams) ALSO meet the terms of their contracts when the release players. They aren’t releasing them “before the end” of anything…releasing them creates a valid end to the contract. “But JoJo signed a 10 year contract…so how is the team not breaking it when they release him after 4 years?” Well…they actually didn’t sign him to a 10 year contract. The language I am about to use has a very specific meaning in contract law…they purchased (with a signing bonus) the right to buy his services for up to 10 years. The standard NFL contract (as per the CBA) gives teams the right to opt out of any future commitment to the player by meeting certain negotiable terms (generally by paying a specified percentage of the signing bonus). The contract is not a 10 year guaranteed contract. It is a contract that gives the team the right to pay the player a specified amount for up to a certain number of years. As long as the standard NFL contract allows teams to cut players, then players holding out are the only ones who are violating a valid and binding legal agreement.

    Player holdouts are just plain dumb. The player is putting himself above the team. The recent example I can think of is Chris Johnson. He had a TERRIBLE season after his holdout because he was out of sync with the line, the QB, and his entire team.

    Note to self: no Marshawn on my fantasy team this year.

  65. thebirdofprey2 says: Jul 26, 2014 12:27 AM

    Pete Carroll made a big mistake by talking about contract and its the same thing I looked at Jim Harbaugh for saying about Vernon Davis.

    As a coach you got stay out of the contract talks and leave that to the GM. Doug Baldwin is pretty vocal guy and his point is something players and many fans bring when the “honor your contract talk” comes up. Its all painted there for any fans following Seattle that Beast Mode is cut after this up coming season with a year on his contract just like those in the know called Robinson & Rice (both resigned afterwards), Chris Clemons and Red Bryant.

  66. jwilliamsspf says: Jul 26, 2014 12:27 AM

    Negotiate guaranteed contracts into your CBA or quit your whining.

  67. jwilliamsspf says: Jul 26, 2014 12:31 AM

    Wow, I just went through and read some of the comments. Do you all know how collective bargaining works? NBA has guaranteed money because the players got it worked in. The NFL had players more worried about practice time limits than guaranteed contracts.

    Read, people…read. Baldwin’s point is invalid. End of story, he needs to get over it and so does Lynch.

    But I enjoyed someone saying, Did Carroll honor his contract with USC? Haha…that’s funny.

  68. jimmysee says: Jul 26, 2014 1:03 AM

    There’s only 100 cents in a dollar. NFLPA and players have to decide whether they’d rather see some of those pennies going to players no longer playing, like those cut, rather than those who are playing. Can’t have it both ways. Can’t put two gallons of water in a one gallon jug.

    If guaranteed contracts are the priority, go for it in the next CBA. But don’t expect the numbers in those guaranteed deals to range as high. NFL players have notoriously short careers. Their guaranteed deals will more accurately reflect that.

  69. trollhammer20 says: Jul 26, 2014 1:05 AM

    jetsfan67 says:
    Jul 25, 2014 8:38 PM

    Seahawks imploding.
    _____________________

    As a ‘Hawk fan, this comment actually worries me.

    I mean, who on this planet would be able to spot “implosion” better than a fan of the New York Jets?

  70. binkystevens says: Jul 26, 2014 1:17 AM

    Oooh look out for inmates running the asylum

  71. copiouscaffeine says: Jul 26, 2014 1:32 AM

    This is cracking me up. Seahawk fans pretending they have some inside scoop on contracts and how they are negotiated and the rest of the football world trying to educate them. It can’t be done! Bring on some games…even pre-season so we can sink our teeth into actual football!

  72. posmoo says: Jul 26, 2014 1:36 AM

    players can sign fully guaranteed contracts, they just have to negotiate for them; and that guarantee would of course come with a price, a price almost none of them are wiling to pay (see Tom Brady, who’s deal completely guarantees for the nest 3 years on week 16 of this year, but who took about 40% less salary than the market would bare for that benefit).

  73. luccabrazzi says: Jul 26, 2014 1:56 AM

    He does need to honor the contract. Baldwin is right in theory, but the “guaranteed” portion of the contract money is “guaranteed” whether you’re cut or not. So the players arguments don’t make much sense given they’re aware that the”guaranteed” portion is really what they’re negotiating in their contracts. You sign it, you show up, end of story.

  74. isuperknowni says: Jul 26, 2014 1:58 AM

    Not fair to #12. Lynch! Go back to Buffalo and see if you get a chance to toss skittles at the fans there during a Super Bowl parade Pete is correct!!

  75. gayforbrady says: Jul 26, 2014 2:01 AM

    Pete Carroll threw his player under the bus with his comments.

    He will lose 25% of the locker room.

  76. GreenAndBlueMakesMeSpew says: Jul 26, 2014 2:14 AM

    realitycheckbaby says: Jul 25, 2014 10:20 PM

    People call your franchise a joke because it is one..In all seriousness Seahawk fans you had the best team in football last year but you even know you had one of the weakest fanbases and no history it is what it is..So now you go puffing out your chests and trying to clown on other franchises after one win is a very bad look..And honestly…that 12 thing you guys are so proud of..everyone thinks its really lame not just Niner fans..I mean after every team wins a SB your gonna get your bandwagon fans but this is just ridiculous. .You went from one of the smallest fanbases anywhere to hella people loving your team and sporting twelve flags..cmon…..I feel sorry for real Seahawk fans that stuck through the hard times cause they deserve these wins..but you have a huge amount of people making your fan base look really bad and ignorant
    ==============

    First, drunk posting rules.

    Second, not a single niner player ever won a Superbowl.

    Finally, your fans needed instructions on how to be fans… INSTRUCTIONS!!!!

    WOW.

    EMBARRASSING!
    ================

    You nailed it mafia man!!

    Realitycheckbaby just got a reality check, prime example

  77. ayyyjayyy says: Jul 26, 2014 2:29 AM

    In the words of Michael Ray Richardson “The ship be sinking.”

    It’s so cute when Seashells fans get so excited about becoming a dynasty or repeating. They force themselves into liking and supporting the roided out SHErman every time he opens his mouth. Most of all, they really believe their *SB championship was legit.

  78. ayyyjayyy says: Jul 26, 2014 2:41 AM

    seatownballers says:
    Jul 25, 2014 9:49 PM
    Keep trolling
    We’ll keep winning

    —————

    I guess the new shipment of PEDs just arrived.

  79. ayyyjayyy says: Jul 26, 2014 2:49 AM

    Realitycheckbaby says:
    Second, not a single niner player ever won a Superbowl.

    ——————

    More proof that the Seashells have the newest football fans. Not too long ago, Anquan Boldin won the SB against the Niners when he was a member of the Baltimore Ravens, which is an AFC team. AFC stands for American Football Conference. The Seashells and the Niners are in the NFC, that’s National Football Conference. Oh and if you were talking about last season’s roster, Jonathan Goodwin won the SB with the Saints. Don’t be embarrassed though as you are a new fan, but yeah isn’t football fun?

  80. Ed Bandell says: Jul 26, 2014 3:06 AM

    And all of these players whining that their contracts are not guaranteed like baseball players’ contracts can shut up. They’ve had the opportunity for years to change this when the CBA is renegotiated. If the Player’s Union reps are not getting the job done then they need to get new player reps. They only have themselves to blame.

    But, they need to know that when contracts get guaranteed that there will be less money to throw around because it will be locked up on injured players sitting on the bench instead of that money being able to be cleared to sign another free agent. That also rules out renegotiation of contracts of players to make room to stay competitive.

    Be careful what you wish for.

  81. belgaron says: Jul 26, 2014 3:51 AM

    Baldwin’s wrong. Players still have to make the team, and the higher their contract the more they have to demonstrate to do so. They can be cut if they don’t live up to their cap value and if they have guarantees they kick in at that point or help provide leverage. If players could phone it in after inking any deal, the league wouldn’t be the same. Players aren’t just competing for playing time within their positional group, they are also competing with teammates for their piece of the salary cap pie. If they don’t measure up, they will be cut or offered a lesser deal to stick around.

    If it wasn’t the way it was, Angry Doug Baldwin would be angry that his teammates were lazy and not motivated, why would they if their contracts guarantees everything?

  82. allday38 says: Jul 26, 2014 4:40 AM

    Pete haters crack me up. National Championship: Check. Super Bowl: Check. Oh he left USC High and dry, blah, blah, blah…..news flash, all college programs are dirty, get over yourselves.

  83. seadawgs72 says: Jul 26, 2014 6:32 AM

    I can’t believe how many people defend the owners about the way NFL contracts are structured. No one is arguing that ownership & management don’t have the right to cut a player at anytime. I believe what most people are saying that it’s inequitable. If a team has the right to release a player with years left on the contract then the player should have the right to find work with a different team at anytime if they’re willing to pay him more. With the state of the country & the extinction of the middle class i don’t know how anyone can defend these faceless massive corporations.

    As for Norcalmafia i was going to say i appreciated what you said about the real Hawk fans but then i read on & saw your additional comments. It’s hard to say in real numbers what Seattle’s fan base is but as far as the region it covers I’d bet you my house it’s the largest in the nation. Washington, northern Idaho, western Montana, & a good portion of Oregon are & always have been Seahawk fans since their inception. There are more trolls on this thread than there are fans ironically since all of you are accusing us of arrogance & trolling your crappy team. Have fun in Santa Clara & don’t forget your bullet proof vest considering your new roommates from across the bay attract some unsavory characters.

  84. RegisHawk says: Jul 26, 2014 7:10 AM

    It’s the same troll with multiple accounts.

  85. pgilbert15303 says: Jul 26, 2014 9:38 AM

    Regis, you’re a kick in the shorts… Love the hypocrisy. You enjoyed busting on Boone and Davis.

    Boone and Lynch are both Pro Bowlers…. If the ingrates liked their front loaded contracts but not the backend… RETIRE!

    Let’s play football!

  86. bucsorbust says: Jul 26, 2014 9:43 AM

    It’s a simple philosophy. Pay is up front for many NFL contracts, and Marshawn got paid up front. Also, NFL players get paid on potential to help their teams make it to the superbowl. Not only did they go, but they got some extra cash in that run. Paid in full. You want a new contract? Finish the old one first.

  87. blackhawks2010 says: Jul 26, 2014 10:04 AM

    Meanwhile in San Francisco, Aldon Smith is popping pills and drinking himself to oblivion and Coach Harbaugh and ownership can’t stand each other. Chris Culliver…., Kaepernick “alleged” sexual assault….did I miss anything?

    It’s entertaining watching the 2 fan bases bash each other, especially 49ers fans calling Seattle a bandwagon. San Franciso invented bandwagon, most apathetic west coast city of all. Neither team is imploding, Seattle is still the best team in NFL as much as it pains me to say that.

    Can’t wait for the season to start!

  88. realitycheckbaby says: Jul 26, 2014 10:05 AM

    ——————

    More proof that the Seashells have the newest football fans. Not too long ago, Anquan Boldin won the SB against the Niners when he was a member of the Baltimore Ravens, which is an AFC team. AFC stands for American Football Conference. The Seashells and the Niners are in the NFC, that’s National Football Conference. Oh and if you were talking about last season’s roster, Jonathan Goodwin won the SB with the Saints. Don’t be embarrassed though as you are a new fan, but yeah isn’t football fun
    ==============
    Ha ha ha ha ha ha

    “You’re wrong. We’ve hired players – actually one – who won with another team so that makes our team really cool and really good.”

    Ha ha ha ha

    Tell me, how many has YOUR team, your QB, your coach won – in the last 25 years.

  89. realitycheckbaby says: Jul 26, 2014 10:06 AM

    ——————

    More proof that the Seashells have the newest football fans. Not too long ago, Anquan Boldin won the SB against the Niners when he was a member of the Baltimore Ravens, which is an AFC team. AFC stands for American Football Conference. The Seashells and the Niners are in the NFC, that’s National Football Conference. Oh and if you were talking about last season’s roster, Jonathan Goodwin won the SB with the Saints. Don’t be embarrassed though as you are a new fan, but yeah isn’t football fun
    =============
    BTW – was that info included in your instructions on how to be a fan?

  90. kevjones75 says: Jul 26, 2014 10:12 AM

    I have a lot of respect for the Seahawks organization, but I have a feeling a lot of these guys are getting inflated egos, muck like their fans.

  91. higheriqthanyou says: Jul 26, 2014 10:19 AM

    You are all missing the big picture.

    Carroll wants to win more than anyone. He’s been ruthless cutting dead weight and starting the best players regardless of where they were drafted or how much they were paid.

    It’s why we’re the best team and organization in football.

    For him to say this should certainly sound the alarm in other teams’ camps that Christine Michael and the new receiving corp are ready and that Carroll doesn’t see the need to rely on Lynch like we had to in the past.

    Be afraid.

  92. claimersays says: Jul 26, 2014 10:20 AM

    trollhammer20 says:
    Jul 25, 2014 8:14 PM
    I’m confused. Doesn’t the contract read that the team has the right to cut the player at any time? Likewise, a player can retire if he wants to, at any time.

    If the players want guaranteed contracts for the full terms, then they need to hold out until they get contract language that reflects this (good luck).

     These issues are sorted out during CBA negotiations. NOT by individual players/agents. Put down the Trollhammer and grab a Trollbook! P.S. They hide information in them.

  93. howiehandles says: Jul 26, 2014 10:24 AM

    Baldwin is right, but blame the NFLPA for not negotiating guaranteed contracts for all players, or the players not asking for them. It’s not as though John Doe, the middle manager for Acme Inc. gets a guaranteed deal at his job either. Little sympathy from me. You chose that career. High risk, high reward.

  94. winninaintsinnin says: Jul 26, 2014 10:31 AM

    The hypocrisy? No more hypocrisy than from other fans on this board.

    Let’s see if I understand.

    You all can brag on your teams and make predictions and rag on other teams, because your teams won – or not – sometime in the distant past. And that simply shows what great fans you are.

    But Hawk fans doing the same thing – while actually supporting the best team in football CURRENTLY – are pompous or have inflated egos.

    Did I get that right?

    Desperation? Jealousy? Envy?

    You choose.

    BTW, if your front office thinks so little of you as fans that they are compelled to issue “how to be like Seahawk fans instructions”, you’re not good fans.

    Then again you fit your coach, QB and WR.

    No substance.

  95. imaglaser says: Jul 26, 2014 11:07 AM

    Actually when teams cut players, they are executing clauses IN THE CONTRACT. Thanks to the agreement made by the players association, this is standard in all contracts. Guaranteed money is still paid. Owners are not breaking contracts, they are executing their outs specifically written IN THE CONTRACT!

  96. notthetroll says: Jul 26, 2014 11:38 AM

    I think that if you are a Seahawks fan and all this contract talk doesn’t concern you, it should. At least a little.

  97. pizzon says: Jul 26, 2014 12:03 PM

    someone tell Pete Carroll to shutup

  98. politicallyincorrect says: Jul 26, 2014 12:06 PM

    generally I would say that seeing things different than Pathetic Pete would be a good thing; Carroll is not exactly ethical or honorable, is he?

  99. politicallyincorrect says: Jul 26, 2014 12:08 PM

    seahawks are like one of those new money guys… just don’t know how to act and will quickly fade away when the correction occurs

  100. norcalmafia says: Jul 26, 2014 12:49 PM

    So much to be proud of if your a Seahawks fan…
    Went from the weakest fanbase to a pretend one in 2 years
    your most sacred icon is a flag with a 12 you didnt even think of yourselves
    your most popular jersey is a #12 that say “fan” on the back…hahaha..sorry thats so lame
    your most famous player ever is Brian Bosworth
    your proud of Macklemore..hahaha even lamer
    you win a superbowl…only took 50 years…
    #@small market mullet men
    #@you try to be Raider fans except your all dorks and limegreen is ugly

  101. gohawks7 says: Jul 26, 2014 11:48 PM

    I thought Lynch was “just about that action boss”. Now he’s, just about that money. He’s getting paid right what he should be, RB6 in the league. At 28 years old, best thing he could do is shut up and play for his $5 mil. Michael will make him obsolete if he sits out too long.

  102. senoreno says: Jul 27, 2014 2:51 AM

    Split that locker right up..

  103. seahawkfan76 says: Jul 27, 2014 12:25 PM

    What you haters,and especially Whiner fans, don’t understandis, this is not effecting our locker room or team comraderie the way that VD and Boone is hurting yours! Hawks Org. is just so much better than all other teams, that we handle this kind of stuff with class and dignity. We got this! And it certaintly wont hurt our season, we are still the favorites to win it all again, and as you all know, we probably will! So be afraid, be very, very afraid!!!……GO HAWKS!!

  104. bosstycoon333 says: Jul 27, 2014 2:24 PM

    It is crazy seeing how many people always make assumptions saying Seahawk fans were the “weakest” or “where were they 20 years ago”, just goes to show how little you actually know. Now yes, there are a ton of Seahawk bandwagon fans because, well, that is what happens when you win. 1 thing about Washingtonians is that they show up for their team, now yes, most of us have given up on the Mariners several several several years ago, but Seattle has always been a football city. Even back when the Hawks played in the Kingdome and they were garbage, people showed up and yes, they were loud, always been loud, so how people think the fan base wasn’t strong a few years ago is just silly, it surprises me how so many people are shocked that there are so many bandwagon fans, have you seen them play? Very entertaining team just like the 49ers

  105. seahawkfan76 says: Jul 27, 2014 2:41 PM

    Oh, by the way….Im a 49er fan!!!!!

  106. seahawkfan76 says: Jul 27, 2014 2:52 PM

    ROFL!!! Its so funny how whiner fans hate on seahawk fans?!! But who are the ones that had to have instructions sent to them in the mail, on how to be Great fans, just like the Seahawk fans?!!!! ROFL!!!!! Who does that?!!!

  107. cruiseon says: Jul 27, 2014 4:06 PM

    Seahawks have sold out 87 straight home games, yet guys like Nocalmafia are on here claiming Seahawk fans are the bandwagon fans.

    How many straight sellouts have you had there in Santa Clara, or wherever it is they moved you to?

  108. senoreno says: Jul 31, 2014 4:58 AM

    Cruis-niners have sold out since 1974..before your team was even conceived.. Do you want me to tell you how many straight games that has been..I’ll bet you it’s more than 87..

    where’s my staples “that was easy” button when I need it.

    Btw-in 2009 seahawks were ranked as the 2nd to last loyal fan base..you know, before all the contrived names like legion of ped, 12thped, beastquake were artificially created

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