Schneider confirms Lynch holdout, team’s lack of interest in giving him new deal

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Earlier today, the Seahawks announced that they had reached the 90-man roster limit.  Before too long, they’ll go back to 89 by placing running back Marshawn Lynch on the reserve/did not report list.

In an interview with ESPN 710 in Seattle, Seahawks G.M. John Schneider said, via Bob Condotta of the Seattle Times, that Marshawn has “made a decision not to be here.”  Schneider’s comments also indicated that the team has made a decision not to do anything about it.

“There is a specific plan in place here and it’s my responsibility to [owner Paul Allen] and the fans to try to provide a consistent championship-caliber football team, one that the fans feel we have a shot every year,” Schneider said.

“[J]ust two years ago Marshawn was one of our first guys we were able to reward in terms of this plan going forward,” Schneider said, referring to Lynch’s four-year, $30 million contract.

So if Lynch doesn’t show, the Seahawks will rely on the next man up.  Schneider pointed out that coach Pete Carroll and his staff “do a good job of teaching young players and getting them ready to play.”

Does that mean Christine Michael and/or Robert Turbin can get it done if Lynch doesn’t show?

“I think it’s a fair question,” Schneider said.  “But I think obviously Marshawn Lynch is a heck of a running back, you know what I mean?  But it’s just like we had players at different positions, like last year we ran into the deal with [cornerbacks] Brandon Browner and [Byron] Maxwell steps up and has to go. . . .  I think that the players and teammates think that they are comfortable with the next player.  And that’s no disrespect to Marshawn — everybody knows what he can do.”

Soon, we all may find out what Turbin and Michael can do.

89 responses to “Schneider confirms Lynch holdout, team’s lack of interest in giving him new deal

  1. Hold outs, free agent defections, injuries, retiring players, and just the plain old “I already got mine so I’m not gonna play as hard” attitude.

    Dynasty indeed…

  2. I hope the Seahawks dont cave on this one. He signed for an average of $7.5 per year already.

    Fine him to the max, and dont give him a waiver when he caves. It isnt like he is making $2 mill a year, or some lowball number like Charles. He is making top 5 money, and he might barely be a top 5 back

  3. This holdout made me think about Larry Johnson of the Chiefs. Remember him? Back to back 1700+ rushing seasons in 2005 and 2006 with a couple of solid years prior to that. Not as big as a resume as Lynch, but he held out that one year and was never the same again. I’m sure Lynch will get in camp, but he will most likely be disgruntled and that will be bad for morale.

  4. 2 years into a 4 year deal that pays him well above the current going rate for the position. Not to mention Turbin and Michael have more than enough skill to get the work done. I wouldn’t even consider redoing the contract.

  5. I hope he sticks to his guns (n.p.i) and when Seattle starts off 0-2 because Wilson has nowhere to throw, Lynch says “now I want 10 instead of 8”. “For each loss, my price goes up $500K”.

    It’s just business…isn’t that what the owners always say??

  6. As a Rams fan I can’t say I’m too disappointed by this as every team in the division is chasing the Hawks. Looking at this though as just a fan I think this puts a lot more pressure on Russell Wilson if for some crazy reason this boils over into the regular season.. They are used to seeing 7-8 man fronts trying to stop Lynch so it leaves more room in the passing game for Wilson to find his wr’s. If he’s not back there the opposing defenses can lay back in more pass protection packages. I know Christine Michael is the next beast but he’s not there yet.

  7. Good for Seattle. Stick it to these greedy players and make them own up to the deal they accepted.

    It’s not like Marshawn is making peanuts.

  8. This is the reason the Bills got so little in return when he was traded … Boatload of talent & boatload of headache! Maybe there’s something in those Skittles

  9. Michael is an explosive runner. Every time he touches the ball, he his a threat to go the distance. Excited to see him finally play. Best of luck Beast Mode.

  10. He should stay out until they pay him just like emmitt smith did with the cowboys. They’ll pay him once they lose their 1st couple of games without him. Without him their offense is non-existent. He takes so much pressure off their average at best o-line and their QB. They gave up over 40 sacks last year and they only passed less than 50% of the time. Imagine what it would be like with no threat of a running game.

  11. Contract issues aside, he probably doesn’t want to be in camp now, anyway. As a veteran, he doesn’t need six weeks to prepare for the regular season. He can save the wear and tear on his body and reduce the chances of injury if he stays out until a week or two before the season starts, and there’s even a small chance that the ‘Hawks will cave and give him more money. He probably feels that it’s worth the daily fines he may have to pay, especially if the team rescinds them when he reports. in other words, this is a non-story.

  12. He’s no Andre Johnson.

    It’s become obvious the last few years that once a RB hits the wall, they’re generally done.

    Lynch has carried an average of 300 times over the last 3 years. This has been somewhat of a magic number for RB’s.

    Seattle would be foolish to extend him much beyond 2015, which i’m sure is what he wants.

  13. There goes that dynasty. No longer a SB favorite with Lynch holding out or not playing this season.

  14. Just looked at stats and footage of Michael and Turbin. They need to get Lynch in camp right away!!! Michael cannot stay healthy and has already torn his ACL in college and broke his leg, and I’m not sure Turbin is a workhorse. We’ll see though.

  15. Restructure his 2015 contract to add $1M to his 2014 deal. That way the Seahawks can honestly state that they did not add any “new” money to the total deal and Marshawn can get back to football. If Marshawn says no, then there isn’t much that the Seahawks can do. Marshawn was already paid; he was amongst the very fist to get a big contract. Seahawks need to hold firm, even if that means that Michael becomes the go to guy one year earlier than we all expected.

  16. Lynch is the ONLY offensive threat the Seahawks have, other than Harvin if healthy,… this is a guy that does not need camp and will be in shape but if he is disgruntled it may hurt…. I have no confidence in any other Seahawk offensive player…

    this can be the opening salvo of Seahawks run being over or on the downside

  17. Lynch is an amazing player…and he’s a big part of the Seahawks offense.

    Rumor has it that Lynch is worried about his foundation’s future and that’s one reason he wanted more money.

    Look at the success Sherman is having with fund-raising and maybe get some other sports people involved with raising money for Lynch’s organization.

    All kids need hope and any player (or anyone) who works to provide that should be recognized and applauded.

    Seahawks have a great team mentality and I’m sure they can come up with a way to work this out!

    Just because I’m a Lions fan, doesn’t mean I can’t appreciate a great team and a great organization.

    Go LIONS!

  18. Why can’t guys honor the contracts they sign?! The Hawks gave him a very good deal. Now he’s getting greedy and all big headed after the SB win. Cmon man! Do it again then play games! (No pun intended.)

  19. He should stay out until they pay him just like emmitt smith did with the cowboys. They’ll pay him once they lose their 1st couple of games without him. Without him their offense is non-existent. He takes so much pressure off their average at best o-line and their QB. They gave up over 40 sacks last year and they only passed less than 50% of the time. Imagine what it would be like with no threat of a running game.
    ____________________________________

    And didn’t Emmitt Smith end up with the…Cardinals? How’d that work out for him? 🙂

  20. The man just wants the guaranteed money. He’s earned it. Give it to him. No need to extend the years. Just make the money guaranteed and not simply roster and performance bonuses, as is the case at the moment.

  21. All these wannabe comedians and the typical owner-speak from ridiculous fans. But not a single one can tell you the details of his contract and why he’s truly (rightfully) holding out.

  22. I would reconsider signing Lynch again, especially after the personal letter Roger Goodell sent to the team

    “congrats on the sb win guys, I was glad to help you along the way (for a minute I wasn’t sure what else we could do to help against the niners without making it too obvious), even more glad with all the media and revenue it brought in, but next time you guys are on your own, good luck”

  23. This is the reason the Bills got so little in return when he was traded … Boatload of talent & boatload of headache! Maybe there’s something in those Skittles
    ——————————————-

    Now that’s a good one. A Bills’ fan trying to rewrite history so that they don’t look like chumps for trading him….

    Go Hawks

  24. Next man up! Hilarious good luck with that, take away Lynch last year take away that dirty Lombardi.
    #LODBS
    #SEATTLE FANBASEEST.2012

  25. Good thing ML’s already got those parking space ropes; he’s gonna find them handy when he starts off the season as a tailgater.

    But then again, he’s always been up front about being all about that action, boss.

  26. People need to remember what Marshawn brings to the table every game. He’s not just a ball carrier. While the guy can get yards, he’s also very adept at reading defenses, understanding tendancies and what the defense wants to do, picking up the blitz, AND catching the ball out of the backfield.

    He is a legitimate 3 down back and frankly there is only one other guy in the league that can say that. Considering the longevity of players like him, I think he’s right to ask for a little more. I don’t think he’s being unreasonable with how much more he wants either.

    I know the guy signed a 4 year deal but like 99.9% of the NFL contracts it doesn’t mean a damn thing when neither side has to abide by it. The team can release him tomorrow and not owe him a penny. As long as that is the way NFL contracts work (little to no guaranteed money) I find it hard to ever blame a guy for asking for more money when they’ve performed at a very high level.

    And since his cap hit this year is $7M, yet they are only paying him $5.5M, I’m betting they could restructure and hand him $10M for this year and somehow lower the cap hit to under $7M. I call it “NFL Math”, they start teaching it to kids in kindergarten.

  27. I do not know what these posters are thinking when they state that without the Beast, Seattle will have no run game…So much plays into the running attack. Earlier, Marshawn struggled a bit getting used to Cable’s zone blocking scheme. Then he ‘got it’ and away he went! Do not get me wrong, I loves the Beast! However, next man up deftly applies to this situation…Michael will be a premier back in the league, the only question is, when does his time begin? Go Hawks!

  28. Bout time these guys honor the deals they make…..sick and tired of the fact that millions is never enough for these guys….you made a deal, live by it like a real man would…..

  29. I’ve seen what Turbin can do, and with almost the same number of carries, his production fell way off last season compared to 2012.

    Michael has only four games and 18 carries under his belt. Looks promising, but…

    Marshawn is a proven commodity, and he’s the engine of the offense. Good luck tackling him with only two defenders. If he would just go down like most other ‘backs, his body would absorb far fewer hits.

    And in two years, he hits the magical 30 milestone. So this is the only time he can play this hand. Now we just wait to see who blinks first.

  30. If I was a teammate of Lynch’s I’d be upset! He’s already paid well and wants MORE. And after some of his mate’s gave a little to keep others on the team! Thanks John Schneider. You and Carroll will keep the Seahawks competitive!

  31. “Why can’t guys honor the contracts they sign?!”

    I’m getting tired of hearing this…teams don’t honor the contracts they sign. I’m not in agreement with his holdout considering I think he is probably in the what, 35% of players in the NFL who are paid what they are worth in a given year. (most either over perform or under perform)

    Do I think he should be holding out? No I don’t, but the way the NFL system is setup. But I am tired of people blaming players for not honoring their contracts when teams are bigger culprits for this than players. But fans cheer teams for the most part so I understand the one sided view.

  32. This is why Schneider is the best in the game. Lynch is already properly compensated for a RB. 7.5mil for 4 years is fair. Lynch is good, but lost some of his power and explosiveness in the 2nd half last year. The wear and tear is catching up to him and it would be dumb for the Seahawks to give him more than he’s already making or extend his current contract. On top of that, it would set a bad precedent. Coming from someone who loves Lynch and owns his jersey, stick to your guns on this one, Schneider.

  33. lovethelions says:
    Jul 25, 2014 2:19 PM
    He should stay out until they pay him just like emmitt smith did with the cowboys. They’ll pay him once they lose their 1st couple of games without him. Without him their offense is non-existent. He takes so much pressure off their average at best o-line and their QB. They gave up over 40 sacks last year and they only passed less than 50% of the time. Imagine what it would be like with no threat of a running game.
    ____________________________________

    And didn’t Emmitt Smith end up with the…Cardinals? How’d that work out for him? 🙂
    —————–

    Your snarky comment would have hit home if it were about the correct Emmitt Smith. He was talking about the 1993 in-his-prime Smith, not the one who went to Arizona.

  34. Lynch signed a contract and got what he wanted at the time,he has to honor that contract or sit out until he caves in but really,his replacement is named Christine? what is it with fathers going along with the wife when a baby boy is born and agree to naming him after a girl,at least it isnt a boy named Sue but that too is coming to a hospital birthing ward near you.

  35. The right move for the Chiefs was to re-do Jamaal Charles contract, as he was greatly underpaid.

    The right move for the Seahawks is to exactly what they’re doing: nothing. Lynch is in the middle of a great contract. And if Seattle wants to maintain a playoff-caliber team for years to come they’ll have to make tough decisions like this, up to and including letting Lynch go.

  36. It’s difficult to argue with success. However, Lynch has made a healthy contribution to that success. Also, compensating players fairly is not a reward, it’s quid pro quo.

  37. This is why it’s so hard to repeat in the NFL. Guys get a taste of success and then they over-value their worth and create a distraction.

  38. 12 man is in denial with all this next man up garbage….

    Lynch is the MVP of the offense (just like Earl Thomas for the D) he is not going to be replaced as easaily as you band wagon fans think…Please Marshawn call their bluff and hold out!

    Go Cal

  39. Tired of the “these guys should honor the contract” types, and all these bitter Denver, SF, Green Bay, Minnesota and Sherman haters talking all this nonsense. And I’m not even a Seattle fan. You people are pathetic.

  40. Anyone remember Todd Bell and Al Harris?
    They held out on D for the ’85 Bears

    Lynch will be missed about the same.
    #LegionOfGreed

  41. I would reconsider signing Lynch again, especially after the personal letter Roger Goodell sent to the team

    “congrats on the sb win guys, I was glad to help you along the way (for a minute I wasn’t sure what else we could do to help against the niners without making it too obvious), even more glad with all the media and revenue it brought in, but next time you guys are on your own, good luck
    —————————————————–

    Well you know the ole Santa Clara fans’ saying, “If you can’t beat them (which they can’t), make up stupid stories to explain the Niners’ lack of success.

    Win a Super Bowl this Century, then talk.

    Santa Clara fans…………..their funny!

    Go Hawks

  42. Lynch is a phenomenal, nasty running back. There is no doubt about that. But he needs to honor his contract which seems so common among ‘professional athletes’, especially when you still have 2 years left on a deal. I applaud Schneider for sticking to his guns. Next man up.

  43. For you guys who think he should honor his contract, what will you be saying next off season when the Seahawks tell Marshawn to come in and renegotiate his contract or get cut? That’s exactly what’s going to happen you know. That’s why they have those non guaranteed last years in those contracts. Ask Lofa Totupu, Marcus Trufant, and Zach Miller about it. Not saying that’s necessarly wrong, the NFL’s a tough business. But Marshawn sees it coming too and is hoping he can do something about it before it happens. Otherwise he’ll be heading down the road with nothing next year. If you could consider $24 out of his $30 million nothing.

  44. To those chuckling and chortling with glee and hoping Marshawn doesn’t play this season….have you actually seen Christine Michael and the speed and power with which he hits the hole?

    I would recommend that you be very careful what it is you wish for.

  45. Beast mode is the only reason the seahawks get anything done on offense. without him, you have NO run game. he’s the true number 1, one of the very few which remain in the league. he had a total yardage of over 1600 rec and rushing, the rest of the backs combined had 410 TOTAL yards. without him there is no offense, he had more td than anyone on the team, a higher ypr than everyone except wilson. pay beast mode; not sherman (overrated) and overpay thomas.

  46. He already made bank off his frontloaded contract and now he wants that kind of money again. Perhaps someone should educate him on how a contract works.

  47. percyscoredasmuchasdenver says:
    Jul 25, 2014 1:47 PM
    Too many other weapons to worry about ML. Meanwhile, the Niners are absolutely clueless down in the bay.

    #DYNASTYHAPPENSEITHERWAY
    #REPETE
    #ABOVEREPROACH

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    Funny you feel the need to mention the niners even though they are irrelevant to this article. Do you have a little crush on the niners?? I think you do.

  48. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jul 25, 2014 2:42 PM

    lovethelions says:
    Jul 25, 2014 2:19 PM
    He should stay out until they pay him just like emmitt smith did with the cowboys. They’ll pay him once they lose their 1st couple of games without him. Without him their offense is non-existent. He takes so much pressure off their average at best o-line and their QB. They gave up over 40 sacks last year and they only passed less than 50% of the time. Imagine what it would be like with no threat of a running game.
    ____________________________________

    And didn’t Emmitt Smith end up with the…Cardinals? How’d that work out for him? 🙂
    —————–

    Your snarky comment would have hit home if it were about the correct Emmitt Smith. He was talking about the 1993 in-his-prime Smith, not the one who went to Arizona.

    ___________________________________

    Snarky? Really? That’s snarky? LOL

    Obviously that was not the same year…lighten up.

    As for you calling yourself Mr. Wright, I for one would see you as Mr. Wrong. Your charm has underwhelmed me.

    How’s that for snarky? 🙂

  49. Dude is more interested in late night double doubles at In-n-Out and hittin up the club’s in the bay than football. He just trying to get one more chunk of change for the Fam First movie then hang em up.

  50. He may deserve more but the GM has to look at the bigger long term picture of how to pay everyone for the benefit of the team overall. NFLPA approved the CBA as it is and for players to hold out 2 years into a 4 year deal (like V Davis) on a SB contending team that is cap challenged is selfish. Look at Tim Duncan, getting paid way less than he could command in the interest of rings and the team. Its no accident SA has the strongest bench in the NBA. Sherman & Thomas just ate a bunch of Cap and RW is coming up for a mega deal. Too bad for ML but they are not going to pay more for your services.

  51. Snarky? Really? That’s snarky? LOL

    Obviously that was not the same year…lighten up.

    As for you calling yourself Mr. Wright, I for one would see you as Mr. Wrong. Your charm has underwhelmed me.

    How’s that for snarky? 🙂
    ——–

    Failed again. It is my last name.

  52. I respect lynch a lot. Hopefully he’s just being himself and waiting like usual to show up, if not I have confidence in our receivers and Wilson along with Michael and Turbin to get the job done. L.O.B will get the O plenty of chances, not to mention the pick 6’s they will get

  53. nfl teams not much on RB’S anymore till time to win title.no high drafts,not much high pay but if you don’t have one your not winning

  54. Wait… I thought the Bills were pathetic for GIVING HIM away…now every1 understands what most Bils already knew…..and we wound up with a better backfield just not a better team…

  55. Snarky? Really? That’s snarky? LOL

    Obviously that was not the same year…lighten up.

    As for you calling yourself Mr. Wright, I for one would see you as Mr. Wrong. Your charm has underwhelmed me.

    How’s that for snarky? 🙂
    ——–

    Failed again. It is my last name.
    ——————————————————-

    I have no dog in the hunt but dude, that’s your come back??

  56. Wait… I thought the Bills were pathetic for GIVING HIM away…now every1 understands what most Bils already knew…..and we wound up with a better backfield just not a better team…
    —————————————–

    Please refer to my post above, that responded to another Bills fan’s lame attempt at rewriting football history….

    Go Hawks!

  57. So many of you people don’t seem to know that they’re, there, their, your, you’re, to and too are all very different words with different meanings and applications.

  58. Lynch has very little leverage. His existing contract is WAY above what RBs are making on the free agent market since it collapsed for the position. The Seahawks really believe that Michael and Turbin can carry the load. On top of that, the Seahawks plan to be less reliant on the run. Wilson is only getting better, and they drafted a productive speed demon in Paul Richardson (over 1000 yards on a terrible Colorado team) and have Harvin on the field. Baldwin, Kearse, and Chris Matthews can work in the space those guys create. Seattle will call Lynch’s bluff all day (or all season if necessary). He probably deserves a little extra cash, though. He’s just not going to get it, especially now.

  59. For Seahawks fans, going from Tim Ruskell to John Schneider must be like going to bed with Rosie O’Donnell and waking up with Jessica Biel.

  60. Running backs are easily replaced nowadays.

    2013 stats:

    Marshawn Lynch: 1257 yards, 4.2 avg, 12 TDs
    Eddie Lacy: 1178 yards, 4.1 avg, 11 TDs

    For that production, Lynch was paid $8.5M, Lacy was paid $600K. Do the math, folks.

  61. So a guy that had 18 carries for 54 yards last season is gonna replace Marshawn and the offense will not skip a beat? And Richardson will come in a rookie wr and dominate cause he’s fast?

  62. Lynch is their offense. If he holds out all they’ve got to fall back on is a QB who can only make 1 read before his starts to scramble.

  63. “So many of you people don’t seem to know that they’re, there, their, your, you’re, to and too are all very different words with different meanings and applications.”

    Your use of “you people” is incorrect grammar.

  64. snoqualmkanem says:
    Jul 25, 2014 6:05 PM

    Your use of “you people” is incorrect grammar.

    Haha! You’re wrong but Im curious. Enlighten me. Do you prefer y’all? Yous guys? It’s called a colloquialism.

  65. isaidjoemontegna—“you people” is redundant. “So many of you don’t seem to know—–” is the preferred construction, although I wholeheartedly agree with your original sentiment.

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