Cary Williams: I stand by my claim that the Patriots are “cheaters”

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Eagles cornerback Cary Williams raised eyebrows around the NFL when he said of a joint practice with the Patriots that he didn’t want to practice with “cheaters.” But Williams doesn’t understand why that claim is controversial.

Did I say the wrong thing? No,” Williams said, via the News Journal. “I stand firm on what my beliefs are, and that’s just that. I didn’t tell a lie. At the end of the day, that did happen. It’s in the history books. As far as I’m concerned, I made a comment about it and that’s that.”

Asked if he thinks the Patriots will be coming after him next week when they practice together and then play against each other, Williams said it doesn’t matter.

“I don’t care,” he said. “That’s the whole point. I don’t care if they come after me or not. That doesn’t scare me. My mentality is I’ve never been a punk, never been a sissy, never been a guy that’s going to be a scared guy. I don’t play this game in fear at all. I don’t fear no man. As far as I’m concerned, you put your pants on as well as I put my pants on. We’re going to man up when we get there.”

If nothing else, Williams has injected a little interest into next week’s preseason game. We’ll see next week if the Patriots take the bait and respond.

263 responses to “Cary Williams: I stand by my claim that the Patriots are “cheaters”

  1. It’s not just a claim … it’s a proven fact. They lost their #1 pick and got fined. For cheating. Case closed.

  2. His team’s starting RT is getting suspended for PEDs. I wonder if he’s got a beef with that too. Or the backup linebacker. I wonder if Cary has an issue with him.

    Get over it man. Spygate was a decade ago.

  3. OK children, one more time. The only difference between what the Patriots were doing at the time and what the rest of the league was doing in terms of “spygate”, was that the Patriots were simply better at it, and took the fall for the rest of the league, as did the Saints for bounty-gate. Unless of course, you’re ignorant enough to believe that either practice was somehow limited to those two clubs. Coaches during that time such as Bill Cowher of the Steelers are on record to that effect, in fact.

  4. I’ll preface this by saying. The Pats are one of the better teams in the NFL they have a great head coach and QB. They win consistently and they usually do it with class. They are a great team.
    But did he really say something wrong? Facts are facts they got caught cheating and haven’t won the Super Bowl since.

  5. It is time the Pats were seen as what they are… unrivaled excellence… tired of the league overpunishing the Pats for stupid meaningless crap

  6. all i know is, if i was him, i’d keep my mouth shut and my focus on the field. Coach Kelly has already proven he has no problem getting rid of guys that don’t fit his system.

  7. Steeler Nation is so far above you and your lowly franchise. We built this league. Pittsburgh’s three rivers are made from the tears of our opponents. Bow to your supreme overlords. says:
    Aug 6, 2014 12:43 PM
    Every team other than the Steelers seems to cheat these days. What happened to the integrity of the league? No one wants to win fair.

    Ask the Steelers headcoach about that one because I think 300 million Americans would disagree with your assessment of their “integrity”

  8. You know what else is in the history books? Eagles having no Super Bowl rings. Tom Brady has accomplished more than what this nobody ever will. Pats franchise > Eagles franchise

  9. Gotta give the man credit for standing up for himself. Regardless of what he said and how you felt about it- he didn’t try to rephrase or back down at all, neither from his original statement or any questions thrown his way afterwards. How accurate he is in calling them cheaters, and whether or not other people were doing it is irrelevant to this instance.

    The guys got stones and stands behind his word. Respect enough there in my book.

  10. Every team other than the Steelers seems to cheat these days. What happened to the integrity of the league? No one wants to win fair
    _____
    you mean the team that brought steroids to the league in the 70s?

  11. A wise man once said: “right is right even if no one is doing it and wrong is wrong even if everyone is doing it”

  12. i like this guy even if he is only stating proven fact! atleast he is willing to stand up to them, unlike the NFL and its precious shield.

  13. I guess he’s never done steroids or HGH, he’s never taken aderall, or done anthing against the rules to perform better.

    Although he was suspended for 2 games in 2010 for an undisclosed reason and he did push a ref.

    He’s just a hater because he played in Baltimore and didn’t like the loss a few years ago. Get over it.

  14. His team’s starting RT is getting suspended for PEDs. I wonder if he’s got a beef with that too. Or the backup linebacker. I wonder if Cary has an issue with him.

    Get over it man. Spygate was a decade ago.
    __________________________________
    I would hardly compare a player on a team violating the NFL substance abuse policy with an entire team and coaching staff that cheated to win the superbowl THREE TIMES!!! And I dont care if it happened 20 years ago–it still happened.

  15. jdmv240 says:Aug 6, 2014 12:40 PM

    good for him… no one like the truth these days… if it hurts your feeling its wrong….

    —————-

    Everyone knows what happened. They broke the rules and were punished. It’s not some new revalation.

  16. The Patriots are cheaters. He didn’t lie. The only reason Spygate wasn’t appropriately exposed as an all-time scandal in sports, politics, religion, etc. is because of Roger Goodell.

  17. Cary is just stating facts, it’s a fact the patriots were fined a half million dollars and lost a draft pick due to cheating for over a decade, also a fact they haven’t won a SB since being caught.

  18. Does Spygate really change the fact that the Eagles are still ringless? No, it doesn’t. Eagles are ringless because they can’t win when it matters. Eagles have to show that they can win the big one. If they can’t do it, it’s on them.

  19. thegenoatkinsdiet says:Aug 6, 2014 12:48 PM

    Stay strong, Cary. 31 fan bases agree with you.

    —————

    Except everyone thinks Tom Brady is great (as voted by the players), Belichick is one of the greatest coaches all time, and any player, including Cary Williams would love to play in NE. And when he got an offer he would go in a heart beat. Have we seen anything that says different? Revis called Belichick a jerk and he’s drinking the Kool-aid now.

  20. 1. Cary Williams (whoever that is) is clearly not a smart person.

    2. If you think the Patriots “cheated,” you clearly are not a smart person, either.

    Most ridiculous storyline in the history of sports.

  21. barsfordays says:Aug 6, 2014 12:50 PM

    The Patriots have ZERO legit super bowls.

    —————–

    That’s not what the record book says… when Brady and Belichick are long gone the book will show those 3 Super Bowls as legit and that’s all people will know. Enjoy thinking about that.

  22. The only people who care about Spygate are those who hate the Pats, and I’m sorry but those Lombardi’s aren’t leaving Mr. Kraft’s office, haters. Might as well drop it.

  23. The only people continuously saying the Patriots were just doing what everybody else in the league does is the media and Patriots fans… If players from other teams have spoken out about it, obviously what they’re doing isn’t as commonplace as everyone tries to make it seem. The media who covers the NFL doesn’t want the integrity of the golden nugget they cover compromised, and Patriots fans would defend the team because their fans. Players know what goes on within a team.. Not the media.. Not the fans. If there’s shady stuff going on, they’re about the only ones who are going to know about it all.

  24. You just can’t fix stupid. Move along and let the ignorant hold on to their shortsighted views and dwell in the past. The funny part is they usually have no idea how dumb or petty they seem.

  25. They’re the biggest cheater in NFL HISTORY!! Not hard to figure it out… They haven’t won a championship ever since they have cheated and got caught! LMAO!!

  26. Frankly, it’s too bad the Pats don’t play the NFC East this year as I’d expect to see an all brawl with this guy. I’d take the under is you expect Chip Kelly to play him in next week’s joint scrimmage with the Pats.

    Cary, let your playing do your talking…

  27. Another sore loser speaks before thinking. All the posters bringing up Spygate are merely jealous and don’t understand the facts behind the case. And all would love Belichick and Brady on their teams.

  28. Spygate was a violation of a 2007 rule change. Can anyone help me understand why something that happened three years after their last championship would taint all of said championships? You know, besides jealousy.

  29. Cary Williams is an inept fool. Filming coaches calls is still legal and stealing signals is still legal. The infraction of ‘spygate’ was doing so from the sidelines as opposed to a few yards back in the stands. That was the rule they broke. The hot air around this topic is ridiculous. The Patriots didn’t get fined a 1st round pick for spying. Belichick got fined a 1st round pick for being a dink and not stopping when the NFL told them to.

    Cower and Jimmy Johnson have stated on the record that their teams shared in the same practice. Stealing signals is a part of sports.

  30. And one other thing, the filming rule went into effect in 2006. The Patriots won in 2001, 2002, 2004. Ex post facto .

    How can general football fans try to punish a team for a rule that wasn’t even in place until years after their last title? It is all sour grapes.

  31. Of course the only fans who care about spygate are not NE fans – that surprises you?

    Spygate was systemic. It wasn’t a player trying to get an edge. It was an organizational effort to CHEAT.

    Just like Steeler fans don’t care their team has a well documented, systemic history of steroid abuse. Again, not a player or two, but an organizational effort to CHEAT.

    History will show both won some SBs, but the asterisks in the public’s collective mind, as well as the history books, will always follow them.

  32. mattwalshvideo says:
    Aug 6, 2014 1:00 PM
    Eagles no super bowls

    Patriots no legit super bowls.

    call it even.
    ***************************************
    Well the memo that banned taping from the sidelines came out AFTER the Patriot’s 3 rings. Therefore they are legit.

  33. Brady is gonna pick this big mouth 4th stringer all day when they play.
    What an idiot !!!!

    One more time
    “Everyone was doing it but the patriots just got caught & took the fall for the other 31 teams :

    FACT NOT OPINION. …

  34. Steeler Nation is too funny! They won their first four Super Bowls with a crew of roided up goons. They practically invented PEDs!

  35. when brady and belichck are gone, everyone will remember the three asterisks that are there in everyone’s mind.

    enjoy thinking about that.

  36. Once you were done cheating, you were done winning SB’s.

    Steelers have 3 bowl appearances in the last 8 seasons. We’re your boss.

  37. I love how Red Sox players can freely throw a temper tantrum every time a FORMER PED user beats them.

    However, calling the Pats cheaters is somehow off limits?

  38. Almost 10 years later and still not a single person has been able to explain the benefit the Pats allegedly got from doing this. If it was such a help, why didn’t the Jets ever win anything? They were caught the game before the Pats… in the playoffs of all things.

  39. Yawn. Some B-team cornerback trying to make himself relevant. Pats have been one of the best teams in football for over a decade. Best record pre and post filming hand signals in plain view to 70,000 people in the stadium every Sunday.

    Only thing that has prevented them from winning another 2 Super Bowls is the hands of Tyree and Welker. They have a defense again. Look out.

  40. If Cary Williams could have his play do the talking, he’d have shut up. His play is average at best or worse, so he runs his gums.

    Dude wants his 15 minutes, and not on ESPN watching wideouts go by him into the End Zone. His big hope is some local car dealer will hire him as a spokesman because he “speaks the truth”…..

    He should have learned at whatever college he pretended to attend that it’s better to stay quiet and be thought a fool, then open his mouth and remove all doubt.

  41. I for one hope BB strolls out into the middle of the joint practice carrying all three Lombardis and wearing all 5 of his rings and tells every player on both teams in his classic football history monotone that these are things you fight for on the field, not by running your mouth. Then again, Williams won’t be there to get a little history lesson, will he.

  42. It’s weird how much it bothers him considering the Ravens pretty much owned the Pats while he was playing there. I kinda get how the old Steeler guys used to cry about the Pats so much because they always lost to them, but the Ravens were a Cundiff shank away from knocking them out of the playoffs in ’11 and straight up curb-stomped them – in Foxboro – in ’09 and ’12.

  43. No one on here can say that Cary Williams is wrong. The Patriots did cheat & they were punished by the NFL for it.

    We’ll never know the truth here but Marshall Faulk takes it further & says that the Rams installed new plays for the game against the Patriots, and that the Patriots seemed to be so perfectly prepared for them that Faulk believes they must have been taping their walk-through. Nice!!!

  44. Patriots do their talking on the field..Oops…I mean they do their filming on the field.

    Different rules, T-Sizzle


    Yeah let’s quote a guy who beat his then girlfriend.

    Better known as T-Fizzle.

    Is it me or does T-Fizzle look like someone put a midgets head on a big body?

  45. “Stealing someone’s signals was a part of the game and everybody attempted to do that. We had people that always tried to steal signals,” said Cowher, whose 2004 team won 16 consecutive games before losing to the Patriots in the AFC title game. “What happened when we lost that game is they outplayed us. It had nothing to do with stealing signals or cheating or anything else.” – Bill Cowher

  46. FYI … saying that someone else did something wrong too … doesn’t mean it was OK for you to have done it. Try that next time you’re pulled over for a speeding ticket.

  47. That “hasn’t won a championship since” argument is so lame. Neither have more than half the NFL franchises.

    Using that logic every team that won it since spygate must have been cheating. Silly.

    Hate all you want but just getting to the Super Bowl is a hell of an accomplishment and I seem to remember the Patriots in the big game. Eagles????

  48. He does realize his ‘D’ coordinator in Baltimore for their SB run, Dean Pees, was the Pats LB Coach and D coordinator during the ‘Spygate’ years, right? Right????

  49. So Marshall Faulk thinks just because a team installs a new play, the opposing team will have no defense for it? If that was the case, wouldn’t teams install new plays for every game? Every team would be unstoppable! Haha. Some of these former athletes don’t have the common sense they were born with.

  50. “But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don’t know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this.” – Jimmy Johnson

  51. I agree with Cary. The Patriots are cheaters. That’s a fact. They haven’t won a Super Bowl since they got caught cheating. And they lost those two Super Bowls since they got caught cheating to the scrub Giants Quarterbacked by who? Yep. Eli Manning. Just too funny! And the 3 Super Bowls they won were against the scrub Rams (Kurt Warner, undrafted), the Panthers (Jake Delhome, undrafted) and the Eagles (Donovan throw-up Mcnab)! Facts are facts! Geaux Saints!

  52. Cary Williams has been in the league for 6 years and has ZERO Pro-Bowls to his credit. Instead of running his mouth about something that happened when he in high school, he should try to improve his play.

    Philadelphia is his third team in four years. Eventually even his own team decides that what he brings to the table isn’t worth the time and effort to keep him. One year and done with the Eagles.

  53. underdog518 says: Aug 6, 2014 1:27 PM

    It’s weird how much it bothers him considering the Ravens pretty much owned the Pats while he was playing there. I kinda get how the old Steeler guys used to cry about the Pats so much because they always lost to them, but the Ravens were a Cundiff shank away from knocking them out of the playoffs in ’11 and straight up curb-stomped them – in Foxboro – in ’09 and ’12.

    Yup – they won those 2 playoff games….which are 2 of the 3 games they’ve EVER won against the Pats. 3-8 all time, including playoffs.

  54. shadowgamesshades says:
    Aug 6, 2014 12:47 PM

    You know what else is in the history books? Eagles having no Super Bowl rings. Tom Brady has accomplished more than what this nobody ever will. Pats franchise > Eagles franchise
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    Cary, however, does have a ring, and he went through Foxboro to get it. Even picked Brady in the end zone to seal the AFCCG.

  55. ftomasic1961 says:
    Aug 6, 2014 1:16 PM
    when brady and belichck are gone, everyone will remember the three asterisks that are there in everyone’s mind.

    enjoy thinking about that.
    ****************************************
    By “everyone”, do you mean the the handful of haters who, to the point of “OCB”, troll all of the Patriot threads?

  56. Had this same discussion with some Pats fans just yesterday. They completely refuse to admit that their coach was cheating and that cheating may have helped them win their championships. All they keep saying is “every team did it”. Prove it. You had two former coaches come out and say they tried it. That’s it. Just like any habitual liar, you tell lies long enough you begin to believe them.

  57. Those of you that think the Pats not winning the last 2 Super Bowls is somehow evidence of their previous cheating, explain if Asante Samuel doesn’t choke and catches the easy pick from Manning, does that mean the Pats never cheated? Because they would have won if he caught that…

  58. Can’t really argue that the Pats got busted for something, even though, it was the placement of the cameras…again, not the fact that they were taping. People seem to forget this point. It’s perfectly legit to tape other teams practices, as long as your camera is in the right place.

    However, Mr. William’s is using current tense, and not past tense. Unless he has some kind of proof showing that the Patriots are currently cheating, then his statement is actually incorrect. It should be, the Patriots WERE cheaters. Small nitpick, but a valid one.

  59. floratiotime says :
    FYI … saying that someone else did something wrong too … doesn’t mean it was OK for you to have done it. Try that next time you’re pulled over for a speeding ticket.
    __________

    Wow, profound wisdom from one of our own.

    Obviously it was not OK to do it. BUT, the fact that this is a copy cat league and has been for decades and that several coaches have come out to confirm that they were also doing it, proves that Pats weren’t alone in this practice.
    They just did it better than others and were too arrogant to stop.
    Whoopdedoo!

    hate on Haters.
    Pats are just better than your team.
    Cry us all a river

  60. Did cheating help the Patriots win Superbowls? We don’t know because Roger Goodell and the NFL destroyed the evidence. The fact that the NFL did this leads me to believe that either the Patriots were cheating on larger scale than believed or there was more wide spread cheating throughout the league and the NFL didn’t want open that up for scrutiny for fear it might lead to lawsuits. Whatever it was it is buried now and our only hope of ever finding out what really happened will probably be a NFL official’s memoir or a disgruntled employee spilling the beans.

  61. cleminem757:

    When will it be time for you to move on? Cheating happens all the time in the NFL, whether its by a missed or blown call, or whatever.

    Time to stop whining about it.

  62. “I stand by my claim that #NobodyhasitbetterthanUS”….

    Acutally Santa Clara, seeing as how your team is riddled with injuries, has a joke at QB, a tantrum-throwing baby head coach and illegal immigrant fans stabbing each other…I’d say about 20-25 other teams have it BETTER than you.

  63. Someone get this dude a wahhmburger and some french cries. So many teams bend or break the rules in every possible way it’s absurd.

    Pats weren’t the only team that did this.
    Colts pumped fake crowd noise.
    Giants faked injuries.
    Ravens blatantly held everyone to end a superbowl.
    Broncos paid Elway and Terrell Davis under the table.
    Dolphins guilty of tampering to get Don Shula.
    Steroids, everywhere.

    In the end one team wins the Super Bowl each season and their name goes on the trophy. The Dolphins forfeited a first round pick for tampering but no one is saying they didn’t go undefeated and win in 1972.

    Get over it everyone.

  64. Cue the comments from butthurt Pats fans who are in denial about the facts. Read the spygate book by Bryan o’Leary if you still refuse to accept reality. Or stay asleep & in the matrix if thats more comfortable for you. At least pronounce your “R”s like a person with an education.

  65. I can’t wait till we “cheat” into another 12 win season!!!
    I love The Patriot Way!!!!!

  66. Steeler Nation is so far above you and your lowly franchise. We built this league. Pittsburgh’s three rivers are made from the tears of our opponents. Bow to your supreme overlords. says:
    Aug 6, 2014 12:43 PM
    Every team other than the Steelers seems to cheat these days. What happened to the integrity of the league? No one wants to win fair.
    ————-

    Yup Pats and STEALERS, the only two teams to have been caught cheating (Tomlin’s was so obvious, it’s hard to believe someone could BE that stupid), fined and suffer the loss of a draft pick*

    *Stealers ducked the draft pick loss after the league said they WOULD lose one, compliments of Goodell.

  67. shadowgamesshades says:
    Aug 6, 2014 12:49 PM
    Wake me up when the Eagles win a Super Bowl. NFC East has the most rings out of any division without any help from the Eagles. #ringless
    ———————————————————–

    The NFCN has the most.

    GB 13
    Chi 9
    Det 4
    MN 0

  68. The rule book is filled with rules which if broken constitute cheating. And there are penalties for them. Pass interference, holding, illegal contact, chop blocks, hitting a QB below the knees while he’s in the pocket, faceguarding, etc these are all instance of cheating by players during a game. Cheating doesn’t just apply to coaches…. The more important situations are when the penalties aren’t applied when rules are clearly broken.

  69. At a press conference, Robert Kraft spokesperson Roger Goodell said, “We are disappointed that Cary continues to defy league policy. This issue was swept under the rug years ago and there is no reason to bring the matter up now. Mr. Kraft is looking into the possibility of punishment for Cary Williams.”

  70. The disconnect comes when mental midgets like this guy can’t differentiate between the concept of WERE and ARE. I’d love to see his Wonderlic score.

  71. Broncos cheated by twice violating the salary cap in years they won SB’s and are the only team to have been caught and fined for taping other teams practices. Then they get blown out in the SB… I guess they cant win without cheating.

  72. “Cary Williams struggled with all year as he finished the season as the 80th ranked corner on Pro Football Focus. His -7.9 grade in pass coverage was 5th from the bottom among full-time starting cornerbacks”

    He seems upset…..

  73. This is NOTHING.

    If Williams spoke out that marriage as defined by the Bible is only between and man and woman or spoke out that he personally believed that the gay/lesbian lifestyle was wrong, or he believed in Jesus as the one who paid for his wrong-doing so he could get into Heaven, why Williams would be suspended and banned for life for exercising his Free Speech and Freedom of Religion.

    Again, his little statement against the Patriots is NOTHING.

  74. When did this turn into a super bowl count pissing match??

    Its not like Williams said the pats don’t have rings or haven’t won a superbowl lately…or that they won rings from cheating even.

    Stupid.

  75. keri williams she knows something we dont because she implies patriots are still currently cheating……dont give me that stuff about refs bcos refs help home teams …… tapes were burnt because other teams were involved

  76. Amazing how many men, and players know zero about football.

    It’s ok Cary…cheating is bad, it’s just a bad thing..now go find your teacher and report those awful Patriots…and may as well include the Steelers, Miami in 1980’s [ Marino’s helmet], Broncos ,Ravens, 49er’s and Cowboys.

    Damn…find something on the Giants, and I’d guess that includes ANY winners

  77. Duh!
    All of America already knew this FACT.
    But its nice for players to remind the people, especially newer NFL fans who didn’t witness the cheating period. 0-2 in Sbowls since caught! 😉

  78. Cary Williams got a 14 on the Wonderlic and had to take it again to try to get a better score and got an 18.

    From the wikipedia, a 10 on the test says that you are literate. 14 is the average score for a janitor.

  79. Don’t have to go back to the 80’s to find the Dolphins cheating. Zakk Thomas talked about them purchasing 3rd party audio of Brady’s audibles and cadences and shut the Pats out. He laughed and said they “knew everything he was going to do…”

  80. Truths4all – Uh, you seem to be confused, the NFL disciplining one of it’s employees, has absolutely no connection to a Freedom of Speech violation…unless he’s arrested.

    Freedom of Speech covers you from the Government impeding your ability to speak freely. It has absolutely nothing to do with your employer taking action against you for statements you make while under their banner.

  81. I’m sure Cary’s opinion will have Tom Brady in tears as he gives his first ballot HOF induction speech.

  82. Shadowgamesshades its time to wake up moron! if your counting championships and you are. The Philadelphia Eagles have (3), do your homework stay in school!!
    As for Cary Williams he needs to shut his pie hole and learn how to be a better corner.

  83. History is replete with violations – some proven and some a pervasive part of nfl culture . Of this dude wants to get hung up on something that happened close to 10 years ago and had a dubious impact on outcomes, then let him stew. The NFL does not want a public conversation about all the ways teams have gone astray to get an possible or perceived or presumptive edge. Player tampering and signing guys who were just cut by your next opponent and violations to coach to QB communications in the huddle (which netted 12 teams other than the Pats) etc – all this is NFL culture of intelligence gathering.

  84. @hairpie2 – you said,

    “Those of you that think the Pats not winning the last 2 Super Bowls is somehow evidence of their previous cheating, explain if Asante Samuel doesn’t choke and catches the easy pick from Manning, does that mean the Pats never cheated? Because they would have won if he caught that”.

    What about these scenarios?

    1. If Rodney Hampton knocks the ball out of David Tyree’s hand or off his helmet.

    2. If Eli Manning get’s sacked and doesn’t throw the pass to David Tyree.

    3. If Tom Brady had more time to complete more passes.

    4. If Randy Moss catches one of the Hail Mary passes at the end of the game.

    etc. etc. etc.

    They lost just like they cheated. Don’t argue facts and don’t try to change the past. It makes you look really bad.

  85. badmoonrison says:
    Aug 6, 2014 1:52 PM
    Cue the comments from butthurt Pats fans who are in denial about the facts. Read the spygate book by Bryan o’Leary if you still refuse to accept reality. Or stay asleep & in the matrix if thats more comfortable for you. At least pronounce your “R”s like a person with an education.


    Yeah let’s all read a book that no one would publish. The guy had to pay for it on his own. Not to mention the entire book has ZERO factual evidence. You can get it for 5 bucks online.

    Garbage!

  86. Every team other than the Steelers seems to cheat these days. What happened to the integrity of the league? No one wants to win fair.
    __________________________________

    Steelers don’t have to cheat, every Super Bowl victory they have was due to the refs giving them EVERY call.

  87. salmen76 says:
    Aug 6, 2014 1:36 PM
    I agree with Cary. The Patriots are cheaters. That’s a fact. They haven’t won a Super Bowl since they got caught cheating. And they lost those two Super Bowls since they got caught cheating to the scrub Giants Quarterbacked by who? Yep. Eli Manning. Just too funny! And the 3 Super Bowls they won were against the scrub Rams (Kurt Warner, undrafted), the Panthers (Jake Delhome, undrafted) and the Eagles (Donovan throw-up Mcnab)! Facts are facts! Geaux Saints!
    _______

    They lost to the “scrub” Giants, who also managed to beat out the other 30 teams on their way to winning the Superbowl. And the Pats beat “scrub” QBs in their Super Bowl wins, but guess what.. those “scrubs” also beat everyone else. If all these teams/QBs were so awful, how come the Saints weren’t Super Bowl champs those years? Where were they?

  88. @gintfan, you just gave more examples to prove my point. So if they were still taping, Samuel catches that pass? He also covers Tyree they was he was supposed to? The refs call the holding of Seymour on the Tyree play?

  89. @gintfan says:
    Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM
    @hairpie2 – “you said,

    “Those of you that think the Pats not winning the last 2 Super Bowls is somehow evidence of their previous cheating, explain if Asante Samuel doesn’t choke and catches the easy pick from Manning, does that mean the Pats never cheated? Because they would have won if he caught that”.

    What about these scenarios?

    1. If Rodney Hampton knocks the ball out of David Tyree’s hand or off his helmet.

    2. If Eli Manning get’s sacked and doesn’t throw the pass to David Tyree.

    3. If Tom Brady had more time to complete more passes.

    4. If Randy Moss catches one of the Hail Mary passes at the end of the game.

    etc. etc. etc.

    They lost just like they cheated. Don’t argue facts and don’t try to change the past. It makes you look really bad.”

    @gintfan aren’t you the one trying to change the past here? Because when I google Patriots championships it says 3. When I google Tom Brady it still shows rings and trophies and records and beautiful women. To the vast majority of people that aren’t a bunch of crotchety old butt-hurt fans on here, the history books say that the Patriots are a model for excellence.

  90. The PATS have a way of dealing with mouths like his. Cpl years back a Steelers DB ran his pie hole like this. On the first series, brady threw 10 straight completions against him including a TD,,80 yards 10 plays 7 points. Coach had to pull him out of the game as he was being taken to school…anybody wanna bet?

  91. How did they cheat against the Panthers? Using spygate truthers logic, they haven’t won “anything” since spygate. However, they did make it to two SB’s and 4 AFCCG’s. Therefore, they must have only been cheating in SB’s. So explain to me where the magic signals are coming from against the Panthers? It was the first time the two played with Fox and Delhomme. They last played in 2001 when Carolina was 1-15 with Seifert and Weinke. So I ask, where are the magic signals coming from from prior games that the Pats could use to cheat?

  92. Most if not all teams did what the Patriots did. Why people dont understand that is beyond me. Coaches have come out and admitted so. What else do you need? I get that alot of people hate the Patriots, probably due to their success, but coaches admitted they did it. Is that not enough? Pats are great..deal with it

  93. “Stupid is as Stupid posts” motto of the Patriots Spygate theorists who most do not really understand what rule was broken and when did it become a rule ( hint: 2006)

  94. thirtyrackdash-
    Patriots – World Champions*

    The * doesn’t need to be in the record books… everyone knows about the tainted, cheating Patriots. Only Patriot fans are willing to look past the indiscretions of their team and continue to tout how great they are when then haven’t won it since they were busted.

    Sounds like someone is butt-hurt that they keep getting called out on the cheating.

    Also, not sure what Tom Brady’s beautiful lady friends have to do with anything unless you don’t have anything really solid to go with except “ifs” and “buts”.

  95. What is this “No super bowls wins since” talk? They’ve been back to 2 super bowls. Does anyone even realize how difficult it is to even get to the super bowl? I can’t believe people even use that as a logical example.

    Idiot fan: “You cheated! See… now you dont even win super bowls! It proves it!”

    Realistic fan: “The patriots went 16-0, 13-3, 14-2… after spygate.”

  96. Can Goodell throw this loser out of football or suspend him for the year? Seriously, Cary Williams must have a very low IQ or must watch FOX Noise all the time to just be carrying on like this. Perhaps he should wait to flap his gums until the Eagles actually win something.

    Most sane people understand that videotaping was legal, that every team was doing it and the Patriots were doing nothing wrong. Spygate was the biggest non-scandal in the history of sports and the Patriots were unfairly tarnished because Goodell wanted to make an example of them. But for losers like this to be carrying on 7 years later is a joke. I’d love to see Cary William’s Wonderlic test. Did he even graduate high school??

  97. As much as I hate the Pats and their tainted wins, The Steelers were the steroid kings of the late 70’s and 80’s and were light years ahead in PED’s. Their Bowl’s should also be in question.

  98. Actually, Robert, that is completely false. The only team known to have taped practices is the Broncos.

  99. Again, every team was videotaping, not just the Patriots. Goodell sent that memo about videotaping to EVERY team in the NFL, not just the Patriots. If the Patriots were the only team videotaping, then why did Goodell send that memo to EVERY team in the NFL? Because EVERY team was videotaping, because it was legal. People really need to get a clue here. It’s a joke how so many people are swayed by the anti-Patriots propaganda. Goodell should resign after what he did to the Patriots. He will go down as the worst owner in sports history.

  100. mistrezzrachael says:
    Aug 6, 2014 2:04 PM
    Amazing how many men, and players know zero about football.

    It’s ok Cary…cheating is bad, it’s just a bad thing..now go find your teacher and report those awful Patriots…and may as well include the Steelers, Miami in 1980’s [ Marino’s helmet], Broncos ,Ravens, 49er’s and Cowboys.

    Damn…find something on the Giants, and I’d guess that includes ANY winners
    ***************************************
    .I remember a giants game where near the end, two giants were were standing on the field between plays. A coach signaled and BOTH of them fell to the ground (in apparent agony) trying to slow things down and give their D a rest. One of them got back up…unsure if he should be faking an injury.

  101. So the Broncos and Niners who were fined and docked draft picks for circumventing the salary cap are cheaters too. And the guys who have been suspended for PED use too.

    Don’t hear those claims but then again these are the Patriots.

  102. People also seem to neglect that “Spygate” has nothing to do with the NFL. That was an espn media generated name for ratings and web clicks.

  103. robert831 says:
    Aug 6, 2014 2:43 PM
    They taped the Rams Super Bowl practice, and many others. They cheated. They were punished. It’s a proven fact. Can we all move on.


    Actually it’s NOT a “proven fact” because it was never “proven”.

  104. @thirtyrackdash – Wow dude I thought we could communicate on a higher level than that but I was incorrect. You can’t communicate on a higher level than that. But since you take it there let’s see.

    You do realize that all of Tom Bradys’ accomplishments, family and possessions are his not yours right? You are an insignificant cog in the massive wheel of Tom Brady. To him you’re what he deposits after his breakfast in the morning.

    And when you’re googling the Patriots remember to read the whole thing. That’s 3 Superbowl wins and 2 Superbowl losses. Both losses were to the NEW YORK GIANTS!!

    BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  105. politically incorrect you’re a butthurt redskins fan, it’s no ones fault your team can’t win anything…why you blame NE in every post that’s not even related is just pathetic. All the rest are just fans of teams who can’t win a thing, don’t come close to the playoffs, and have been whipped by NE on numerous occasions. Nobody cares what you have to say. NE contends each year and will continue this trend for decades to come and there isn’t anything you can do about it. You should be happy that the Saints took the fall for bounty/pay for performance bs, NE took the fall for ignoring a memo and taping in the wrong field location, and about 20 players are taking the fall for substance abuse infractions which happen on all the teams.The Rice suspension is a big joke, the entire nation is talking about it, and is far, far worse than anything the Saints or NE ever did. Raven fans have no right to comment on something that happened a decade ago, when their wife-beater got off with zero punishment.

  106. What a sad sad organization.

    They have a joke of a coach, a joke as a QB, A Proud Dog Killer, and the best proclaimed players in the NFL.

    Here is the Jets Season.

    Oakland Win
    Green Bay Loss
    Chicago Loss
    Detroit Loss
    San Diego Loss
    Denver Loss
    New England Loss
    Buffalo Win
    Kansas City Loss
    Pittsburgh Loss
    Buffalo Win
    Miami Win
    Minnesota Win
    Tennessee Win
    New England Loss
    Miami Win

    I can’t wait to hear the excuses this year of why the Jets are playing like……..well……the Jets.

  107. “My mentality is I’ve never been a punk, never been a sissy, never been a guy that’s going to be a scared guy.”

    ________________________

    I guess he has never been a guy with the ability to keep his mouth shut.

    Stay Classy Philly

  108. hairpie2 says:
    Aug 6, 2014 2:08 PM
    Don’t have to go back to the 80’s to find the Dolphins cheating. Zakk Thomas talked about them purchasing 3rd party audio of Brady’s audibles and cadences and shut the Pats out. He laughed and said they “knew everything he was going to do…”

    FORGOT ABOUT THAT ONE!!!!…genius move by Saban…and got them the win. Funny, in Miami they hate Saban I guess because he was the only one who wanted Brees instead of Culpepper…Ireland over ruled him.

    Do not know about these fans above…but I WANT a coach who will get creative, and do ANYTHING to win, …and win often.

    Watch now…these same fans will say NE & Broncos cheat because of quick count, or snapping ball during substitutions…One of the dumbest claims and arguements I’ve ever seen…The IQ of above fans is ridiculously low…can understand that from jet fans, but all of them?

  109. For all the uninformed and that are clueless about the NFL

    Most of the Patriot haters that talk about “SPYGATE” on a regular basis have NO IDEA what it was about, or the time table in question. It’s funny to me that they think it was cheating, or in anyway,
    negates the Pats 3 rings… Here is a history lesson for you so the next time you want to talk about “SPYGATE”, you actually know what happened!

    “SPYGATE” is in the reference to the illegal taping of defensive signals from the sidelines, for viewing AFTER THE GAME, which was deemed against the rules back in 2006.

    This new rule was established in a memo from Roger Goodell’s office and sent to ALL teams in the NFL. Not just the Pats… Let me repeat… This memo was sent to ALL TEAMS IN THE NFL…

    The reason being is because “SPYGATE” had likely been done by several teams in the NFL for DECADES, and NO WHERE IN THE RULE BOOK did it say it couldn’t be done.

    The rules clearly stated that you couldn’t tape from the sidelines t use that information for assistance DURING the game. It said NOTHING ABOUT TAPING FROM THE SIDELINES TO REVIEW THAT INFORMATION AFTER THE GAME. Which is EXACTLY what we are talking about!

    With that being said, the actual “SPYGATE” controversy is about the Patriots continuing to tape these signals from the date the memo was sent out in 2006, to their 2007 season opener against the Jets on 9/9/2007.

    Anytime, before this memo in 2006, including their 3 Super Bowl titles, IS NOT WHAT WE ARE TALKING ABOUT.

    What is in question is the 2007 preseason and the 2007 season opener against the Jets. THAT IS ALL,, So if you want to call the Pats cheaters during that 1 year time frame, but all means. They were CHEATERS. Too bad for your hater narrative, all of the Pats 3 rings were won before 2006. So what they were doing at that time WAS NOT CHEATING!

    Fox NFL Sunday, September 16, 2007.

    Former Dallas Cowboys head coach Jimmy Johnson said, “This is exactly how I was told to do it 18 years ago by a Kansas City Chiefs scout. I tried it, but I didn’t think it helped us.” Johnson also said, “Bill Belichick was wrong because he videotaped signals after a memo was sent out to all of the teams saying not to do it. But what irritates me is hearing some reactions from players and coaches. These players don’t know what their coaches are doing. And some of the coaches have selective amnesia because I know for a fact there were various teams doing this. That’s why the memo was sent to everybody.”

    Oh also, as for your being in the AFC East
    Winning percentage per division since 2002:

    AFC East: .525
    NFC East: .518
    NFC South: .515
    AFC South: .512
    AFC North: .509
    AFC West: .488
    NFC North: .480
    NFC West: .453

  110. Take the tuck rule away and the pats only managed to cheat their way to 2 superbowls. I wonder where all the evidence went. It was probably dropped deep in the Atlantic somewhere off the coast of N.E.

  111. Also curions is since “spygate” the Pats winning % is 100% points higher than prior, while the rest of the AFC East is close to 100% points lower… hmmmm… I wonder who was really “cheating?”

  112. All these pats fans don’t see how profound Spygate is/was to the rest of the NFL: your franchise won multiple SBs while they were known to use an illegal means of gaining an advantage. As an Eagle’s fan, my blood boiled when I learned the Pats had an unfair advantage against my team in the biggest of all games. Pats fans r in denial n the NFL is too.

  113. Actually mistrezzrachael, the “snapping the ball during substitutions” is exactly what “spygate” was about. the timing of defensive substitutions, but no one wants to hear that. They somehow think Brady knew what the defense was going to do on every plan even though signals and indicators are changed constantly and the offense has to be set BEFORE the defense. lol?

  114. @thirtyrackdash –

    I apologize. After further review I found the Patriots had 4 Superbowl Losses.

    2 WHIPPINGS by the NEW YORK GIANTS

    1 BEATING by the GREEN BAY PACKERS

    1 TROUNCING by the CHICAGO BEARS

    Just wanted to set the record straight.

  115. actually wiztopher it was proven that taping something that could not be used in game gave the Pats “no competitive advantage” according to the entire independent crew that investigated. The only ones that called the Pats “cheaters” were espn. No one wants to hear that though, so save your blood boiling for something that is accurate.

  116. hairpie2 says:
    Aug 6, 2014 3:34 PM
    Actually mistrezzrachael, the “snapping the ball during substitutions” is exactly what “spygate” was about. the timing of defensive substitutions, but no one wants to hear that. They somehow think Brady knew what the defense was going to do on every plan even though signals and indicators are changed constantly and the offense has to be set BEFORE the defense. lol?

    I liked San Frans dynasty w/Walsh, same with Dallas and JJ…BUT none of them has sustained like Belichick and NE,,,always always 1 step ahead of anyone else.

    When they had Hernandez and Gronk, was cheating cause no one could defend it…and god forbid they snapped it too fast.

    Watch for them to cheat this year too….when game 1 Belichick unveils passing game with a 2 RB set, White and Vereen, and neither blocks….more cheating…as 2 RB’s should not run patterns on same play…is cheating.

  117. wiztopher, could you explain to everyone what the “unfair advantage” the Pats had against the Eagles in the SB? Feel free to cite examples and go into as much detail as necessary.

  118. @gintfan

    Yes, that is embarassing that they lost to the Giants but it happens. I’m still pretty satisfied with being the most dominant team this millennium at 163-61 since 2000.

    I think you need to take a step back and evaluate your own team. The “Gints” starting quarterback ranked 35th in passer rating among players who threw enough passes to qualify. Last time I checked there was only 32 teams.

  119. wiztopher says:
    Aug 6, 2014 3:33 PM
    All these pats fans don’t see how profound Spygate is/was to the rest of the NFL: your franchise won multiple SBs while they were known to use an illegal means of gaining an advantage. As an Eagle’s fan, my blood boiled when I learned the Pats had an unfair advantage against my team in the biggest of all games. Pats fans r in denial n the NFL is too.

    So…McNABB was choking and puking on the field cause of cheating???..Guessing NE had illegal film of Mitchell too.

  120. Thank you @Rebosprj

    Did the Pats get the same memo as every other team in 2006, yes. Did they choose to ignore it in 2007? Yes. Pats are cheaters for 2007 season, fine.

    2001, 2003 and 2004 titles have nothing to do with ‘spygate.’. Not hard to understand

    Did Belichick ignore memo, yes. Is Belichick a prick to the media, yes. Do the Patriots win a lot? Yes

    Those are 3 reasons you haters hate the Pats.

  121. If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying love it big time what a bunch of sore butt hurt losers.

    LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT. ……..

    GO CHRATRIOTS !! $$$!#^☆☆▪¤□《♤♡♤□●•\

  122. I remember Doug Flutie being shocked that the coaches would radio the exact formation and personnel to him as he was in the huddle.

  123. In the contest to be the dumbest moron on the planet we give you Cary Williams. the new leader.

  124. It doesn’t matter what Cary Williams says. At the end of the day, Tom Brady will pick the Eagles apart, like he always does, and the Patriots (cheaters or not) will show their superiority over the Eagles. Before anyone thinks that I’m a Pats fan just blowing smoke, let me say that I’m an Eagles fan, and have been my whole life, and am just telling it like it is.

  125. valentino8100 says: Aug 6, 2014 12:44 PM

    OK children, one more time. The only difference between what the Patriots were doing at the time and what the rest of the league was doing in terms of “spygate”, was that the Patriots were simply better at it, and took the fall for the rest of the league, as did the Saints for bounty-gate. Unless of course, you’re ignorant enough to believe that either practice was somehow limited to those two clubs. Coaches during that time such as Bill Cowher of the Steelers are on record to that effect, in fact.

    ————–

    They were better, yet got caught? Hummmm… makes sense.

  126. Maybe whiztopher what should make your blood boil is how Andy Reid your HC mismanaged the clock as your QB D McNabb puked his way down the field.

    Your team lost the game and was beaten by the better team. At least your city has a statue to its greatest hero Rocky Balboa since it has no Lombardi’s

  127. The reputation as cheaters will follow the Patriots around for as long as they play in the league. It will follow them around until the end of time. Deal with it.

  128. Unless Richard Petty’s Winston Cup titles don’t count because they changed the name…..Im pretty sure the Eagles titles from 48, 49, and 60 still count as Championships.

  129. Comment section closed, @rebosprj has educated all of us and settled the matter. See you on the field.

  130. bill Cowher on spygate
    “We didn’t lose the game because of any ‘Spygate,’ because of them having any additional things,” Cowher told 93.7 The Fan on Wednesday. “[If] they’re guilty of anything they’re guilty of arrogance because they were told not to do something but it was something everybody does. They got caught doing it with a camera.”

    Spygate happened in 2006 since then the Patriots have still done what most franchises can only dream of doing. Make 2 SB’s in 5 years… their W-L record is 88-24

  131. Hey Cary! I dont hear you talking about your RT Lane Johnson who is suspended for PED violation… which means he is a cheater

  132. Patriots fans get so made whenever anyone bring up spygate. Sure, the extent of the cheating and how advantageous it was is sometimes exaggerated, but they cheated nonetheless. Be angry the Patriots cheated, not the people bring it up.

  133. “what should make your blood boil is how Andy Reid your HC mismanaged the clock as your QB D McNabb puked his way down the field”

    I don’t know if it was Andy Reid mismanaging the clock or just the fact that Donovan McNabb was out of breath and couldn’t move any faster. In either case, the Eagles should have put that game away in the first half, and didn’t. Those last minutes were excruciating for an Eagles fan to watch, as the clock was ticking away while the Eagles lollygagged around.

  134. more for the patriot haters

    Bill Cowher
    Stealing someone’s signals was a part of the game and everybody attempted to do that. We had people that always tried to steal signals,” said Cowher, whose 2004 team won 16 consecutive games before losing to the Patriots in the AFC title game. “What happened when we lost that game is they outplayed us. It had nothing to do with stealing signals or cheating or anything else.”

    Cowher, an NFL studio analyst for CBS, interviewed Patriots coach Bill Belichick last week, and he said the two talked extensively afterward, the first time they had done so since they were both NFL assistant coaches.

    Cowher professed his admiration for Belichick and the sustained success he has enjoyed in the salary-cap era.

  135. Jimmy Johnson thoughts on spygate
    What Belichick could have been thinking is that if it’s legal for one team to do it (the home team) then it must be legal for another team to do it when they are on the road. I’m not saying he thought it was legal, but that it should be legal. It just doesn’t seem to promote a competitive advantage to allow the home team to tape signals for future games. I mean, at one time, the Jets made the playoffs. If they taped the Patriots signals, they could possibly beat them because of it.

    I’m not condoning the practice of breaking rules (I actually believe in strict enforcement), highlighting the obvious discrepancy is a must in this situation.

    While most fans are tired and ready to move on, I really suggest they take a hard look at what really happened instead of listening to the “but they cheated” ‘Hatriots’. (I hate that name, but it seems to become standardized).

  136. while there are individual cheaters on every team, only a few condone the practice………. Pats are one of those teams, Seahawks probably another.. but Pats have downright institutionalized cheating and low standards

  137. @thirtyrackdash –

    I apologize. After further review I found the Patriots had 4 Superbowl Losses.

    2 WHIPPINGS by the NEW YORK GIANTS

    1 BEATING by the GREEN BAY PACKERS

    1 TROUNCING by the CHICAGO BEARS

    Just wanted to set the record straight.

    4 3

    7 super bowls in total …thats pretty good for a franchise

  138. Coach caught and punished for cheating. A player in jail awaiting trial for committing three murders. An owner who can’t find his Superbowl ring and their best player is looking at 40. Go Pats!

  139. This clown should thank god he lives in the era of social media where any 2bit JAG can have their 2 days of fame. Any other decade apart from this media saturated one would allow this big mouth to fade into obscurity where he belongs. What has he ever done in the NFL and why do we care what he has to say about anything? Unreal

  140. “As far as I’m concerned, you put your pants on as well as I put my pants on.”

    Cary, I’m pretty sure I put my pants on better than you do…

  141. @thirtyrackdash –

    Not worried about the QB in NY. Everybody knows, Offense wins games, Defense wins championships.
    See in NE you’re all about the offense. In NY we are all about the defense.

    @smd28

    7 Superbowls is good.

    Giants have been to 5 and won 4. Not bad at all.

  142. PFT’s headline must have gotten the Patriot haters really salivating today. This is like throwing gasoline on a flame. If an article mentions the Patriots in any respect whatsoever, that triggers the usual trolls to come out and vilify Brady, etc. But to actually reference “cheating” in a headline, I fear that PFT may have caused some of the Patriot haters to have a heart attack of ecstasy (although they’ll die happy, having written yet another diatribe against Belichick).
    Anyway, those of us who admire and root for New England hope you enjoy your headline and that Cary Williams relishes his brief moment of celebrity. Rest assured, however, that the team you despise is busy doing preseason work and has neither the time nor the disposition to worry about trivial and insignificant comments by a run of the mill cornerback in another division. You think they cheated? Boo hoo, talk to me about something relevant.

  143. Greatest QB’s Of All Time

    1-Montana
    2-Unitas
    3-Elway
    4-Brady
    5-Baugh
    6-P. Manning
    7-Favre
    8-Aikman
    9-Marino
    10-Young
    11-Moon
    12-J. Kelly
    13-K. Warner
    14-Brees
    15-Plunkett

  144. You gotta love the Boston fans.
    They boo hoo because everyone is razzing them about Spygate.
    But they also gloat over the “fact” that no BoSox player was listed on the Mitchell Report.
    Seems like playing both sides of the coin to me.

    (By the way, how was Senator Mitchell’s ties to the Red Sox not a conflict of interest?)

  145. I remember Doug Flutie being shocked that the coaches would radio the exact formation and personnel to him as he was in the huddle… Defensive that is…

    No way!!! dalcow, are you trying to say a professional coach can actually identify an opposing teams defensive formation????

  146. politicallyincorrect says:
    Aug 6, 2014 4:33 PM
    while there are individual cheaters on every team, only a few condone the practice………. Pats are one of those teams, Seahawks probably another.. but Pats have downright institutionalized cheating and low standards

    Didn’t your redskins just have salary cap $$$ taken away…for cheating?????

    So, how did it feel to see the fans…of YOUR team, give Tom Brady and his band of cheaters a standing ovation @ the joint practices????

  147. Everyone knows that if it was some other team instead of the Patriots that was caught, the N.E. fans would be joining in, dog piling the guilty team.

    Pats fans might as well accept the fact that Spygate is always gonna be thrown up in their faces, at least until the next coaching staff takes over.

  148. smd28 says:
    Aug 6, 2014 4:33 PM
    @thirtyrackdash –

    I apologize. After further review I found the Patriots had 4 Superbowl Losses.

    2 WHIPPINGS by the NEW YORK GIANTS
    _____

    Oh the horror of 17-14 and 21-17…what a WHIPPING! Good hard fought games on both sides. Pats had leads in the final 2 minutes of both. Eli came through against an old defense (2007) and a bad defense (ranked 31st overall in 2011). Congrats.

  149. So many jealous Pats haters. Continue to hate, people! And when the Pats hoist their 4th SB trophy up this year you (and Cary) will be eating some major crow.

  150. I think the real case is people just can’t handle greatness and need excuses to help them sleep at night, that’s the only reason Mangini even started this in the first place.

    This is like calling Josh Gordon a cheater because he did something against the rules that gave no advantage.

  151. A story done on ESPN several years ago…and you can look it up…determined that it was the 1963 San Diego Chargers who introduced ‘roids to pro football. They actually passed out the little blue pills which were keval then. It sure helped them.

  152. That cheater Belichick has 2 rings with the Giants… if you dont think they were taping back then, you are nuts.

    Giants**

  153. Jimmy Johnson at the time said on his Fox show that he thought every team in NFL had donee this as well ,including his champion Cowboys and Dolphin teams he coached. Pats were guilty of being arrogant period. Get a life , this is the greatest Franchise of the post salary cap era!!! P.S.
    no coach has said they lost to pats because of it, Bill Cower always comes to their defense & he was in position who could’ve been hurt the most by it if there was any validity to it in the 1st place.

  154. Listen up people – Cary Williams plays for the Eagles.

    Their coach is a convicted cheater – Chip Kelley – His Oregon football program is on probation. He is banned from coaching in the NCAA. That is a fact.

    That says it all. No wonder Chip hasn’t taken Cary to the woodshed. How can he?

    Living in Philly you find out that Eagle fans are just haters. Cary Williams fits in perfectly with this crowd. He’s a fraud just like Eagle fans.

    NY Giant Fan in Philly

  155. under Goodell, many bad people seem to be getting away with too much… and to have influence

    Pats.. Kraft and BB
    Dolphins
    Seattle and PCarrol
    JJ and Cowboys

    just to name the obvious

  156. What does “take the bait and respond”mean? Is the writer expecting the Pats to put a bounty on Williams? Cuz, I think teams and players have probably learned the lesson on that one, thanks to the Saints. Again, a situation where everybody knows other teams did the same thing but only the Saints got hammered for it. But I’d expect the Pats AND the Eagles players to be professional and go hard even if it’s a pre-season game. A lot of them will be trying to earn or keep a job. Williams can expect a tough game but not because of what he said.

  157. We’ve been through this. It’s really all about sports fanaticism. The NFL culture is replete with violations of all kinds, from player tampering, to chop-blocking (49ers), to salary cap violations (Broncos), to steroids (Steelers), to signing players freshly cut by your next opponent, to the coach-to-QB headset communication window (which nabbed 12 teams not named the Patriots). The NFL would rather not talk about Spygate because it opens up a can of worms about the NFL culture of intelligence gathering. Football has also drawn war metaphors, and espionage has always been a part of war.

    We amplified Spygate into a major story only because the Pats had the gall to pursue an undefeated season one game after being cited. Had they folded and gone 8-8 that year, the issue would have died. The worse punishment the Pats received for Spygate was the NFL allowing the rumor of a walk through tape to fester during preparations for the Super Bowl. I don’t care what the players say, this HAD to weigh heavily on their minds and in my opinion cost them that game.

    Otherwise it’s no big deal. The taping of defensive signals was supposed to aid Brady’s offense, but Brady did not put up many points in those SB seasons. He did not take off as a QB until he got some more weapons in 2007. Until then he was aided by a ball-hawking, hard-hitting defense. This defense was old and slow by 2007 (see comments by Colts players) and then turned over the following the year. THIS is the reason they have not won a SB since then. But losing two SBs by a combined 7 points and registering an undefeated regular season is still the hallmark of a champion POST-DYNASTY.

  158. Pats fan and the media did make a big deal out of their so-called undefeated season. It always comes back to the same thing…they couldn’t win the only game that mattered that year. The NEW YORK GIANTS WON THAT GAME!

  159. Thinking this mouth got a whole lot more than 15 minutes of fame…read down all the comments. Will take you more than 15 minutes to get through them. He can speak the truth, it’s his right…What’s really a shame is , this is how he will be remembered by his team, the fans and all the other teams and their fans. Hope he brings more to the field this year than he has in the past or he’ll be looking for a job. Won’t be able to blame it on “spygate”.

  160. and all Pats supposed accomplishments are bull…. no legit SB wins and no wins of note since being caught cheating….. inflated AFC East and AFC record but little real achievement

    I attribute 90% of Pats success to Brady

  161. spygate was nothing. the pats have proven ever since by continuing to win their division every year, go to superbowls every other year, or make the acf championship game a gazillion times at the very least that their “cheating” whatever it was was very insignificant in helping them win. maybe if they fell off the face of the earth and turned into the jaguars overnight after they were caught all you haters points might hold some water but they didnt. it does not bother us pat fans, we know we are good and dont need to cheat to win. we let two sb’s slip through our hands recently. were knocking on the door every single year. the fact is we have the best qb in history and best coach.

  162. Except taping from the sidelines became illegal in 2005….. after the Patriots won all their Super Bowls.

    Poor poor Pats haters… wrong again…. time to find another excuse for why your team gets owned again and again by – as Shannon Sharpe put it – “the gold standard franchise in the NFL”….

  163. To throw the Patriots under the bus when every other team was also ‘cheating’ and videotaping is one of the worst things the NFL has ever done in my opinion. Goodell and the NFL should apologize to the Patriots and should give the Patriots back the draft pick that they stole. You’d have to be the most naive person on the face of the earth to think the Patriot’s were the only team videotaping and trying to steal signals. Why do coaches constantly cover their mouths when their on TV calling plays? Because they know the opponent is out there looking for any advantage to guess their plays.

  164. Cary Williams is apparently stricken with LAMES (Look At Me Syndrome).

    Realistically I think it is safe to say the majority of NFL franchises would love to have an owner like Mr.Kraft, a first ballot HOF coach like BB, or a first ballot HOF QB like Mr.Brady.

    Envy breeds trolls – nuff said.

  165. True. All the evidence — and I mean ALL the evidence — suggests there was zero benefit.

    Where is it supposed to be beneficial? It can only help the Patriots offense since it’s defensive signals that are being taped. (Brady did not put up many points during their championship years. They turned into the Colts AFTER the 2006 season).

    And it can only help against a team the Pats are facing for the second time in a season. You don’t need an edge to beat an AFC East rival these days. As far as teams the Pats faced in the playoffs they faced in the regular season over that 3-year stretch … I think there were 3. Two were the Colts (and the Pats beat them the first time as well). The only game I’d question is the AFCCG in which the Pats beat the Steelers 41-27. The Steelers beat them handily in the regular season game (also at Heinz Field), and Brady performed considerably better in the rematch.

    Other than that …

  166. Funny. In baseball, stealing signals is part of game strategy. The only time they try to hide anything is during pitcher/catcher conferences. Everything else is out in the open.

  167. “Every team other than the Steelers seems to cheat these days. What happened to the integrity of the league? No one wants to win fair.”

    Really? Got anything to back that up with the all other team cheating bull?How is Coach Tomlin coping the whole sideline interference?The “spygate” is over with.

  168. It would be interesting to query players such as Williams and any fans that agree with him to see if they actually understand the facts surrounding Spygate

    My guess is that they have no clue what the issues were – but offer their opinions just the same.

    By making such comments as Williams did, all they really do is illustrate to the world that they are ignorant at best.

  169. houfan777 says: Aug 8, 2014 2:33 AM

    “Every team other than the Steelers seems to cheat these days. What happened to the integrity of the league? No one wants to win fair.”

    Really? Got anything to back that up with the all other team cheating bull?How is Coach Tomlin coping the whole sideline interference?The “spygate” is over with.
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    You’ll never get a defense of this from the Stealer fans, because it’s indefensible. It is so much more egregious than spy-gate, because no one can say, “Everybody does it”, because never before to my knowledge has the head coach intentionally interfered with a play in progress.

    Totally classless.

  170. Pats are very lucky to play in AFC East and AFC; don’t think they are a top 10 overall team.

    Pats are the least ethical org in the NFL.

    Pats are mostly Brady…. the rest are frauds, most notably BB

  171. Pats have 3 super bowls and went to two more with Brady.

    We don’t care how we got it.

    We will be going to the dance again. We don’t care how we get there.

    We enjoy drinking the salty tears of The teams we defeat.

  172. The New England Patriots – Greatest NFL Franchise of The Last Generation (and it’s not even close)

    Overall Regular Season Record: 224-128

    Super Bowl Record: 3-3

    Playoff Appearances: 15

    Playoff Record: 21-12

    Seasons At Or Above .500: 16

    This one was actually a pretty easy call. The Patriots have been to six Super Bowls in 20 years. They built a legitimate dynasty at the turn of the century. They had a 16-0 regular season and near-perfect year on the resume, and they have finished below .500 just one time (2000) over the last 15 years.

    Yeah, I think most fans would take that.

    New England has won 124 games over the last ten years, an average of almost 12.5 per season, and they are a championship threat going into every season.

    New England had a stretch of 10 straight postseason wins and have gone 21-12 during the time period covered. Those 21 postseason wins are more than the bottom eight teams on this list combined!

    There really aren’t enough superlatives to hurl at this franchise, which is actually pretty amazing considering that in the first year considered, 1992, the Patriots went 2-14 and were in the midst of a half-decade spiral in which they went 19-61 and were the absolute doormat of the league.

    Enter Robert Kraft, who has hired Bill Parcells, Pete Carroll, and Bill Belichick to coach the football operations, and the rest is NFL History.

  173. New England Patriots Fanclub Est. 2001
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    Is that why they’ve sold out every home game since 1994?

  174. “The New England Patriots are the gold standard franchise of the NFL”
    — Shannon Sharpe

    What… you NE haters didn’t actually think he’d say that about your team did you?

    LAWL

  175. Are you sure this guy plays for the Eagles and not the Jets? Sounds like a New York Jet, talks like a New York Jet and acts like a NY Jet. Rex, what the hell you waiting for? You need def. backfield help, he already has the team mantra down: “Patriots are cheaters” Waaa, waaa….”they haven’t won anything yada yada yada”. I’m a Bills fan and I can clearly see that this big mouth belongs in NY with the rest of the whiners.

  176. The man speaks the truth. I’d give anything to see what Goodell got rid of. And I believe one of those Lombardi trophies in Mr. Kraft’s office belongs to the Eagles.

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