Skip to content

Report: Browns expect to lose Gordon for at least eight games

Gordon AP

As hearing officer Harold Henderson processes the evidence generated by a two-day appeal and works toward an all-or-nothing ruling on whether Browns receiver Josh Gordon will be suspended 16 games, the team holds out hope for a compromise.

According to Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer, the Browns expect to lose Gordon for at least eight games.  If eight becomes the magic number, it will mean that the NFL and NFLPA have worked out a settlement.

It’s not known whether settlement talks have commenced; as of Monday, they hadn’t.  And the league has plenty of leverage to bring to the negotiating table.  The plain language of the substance-abuse policy, as agreed to by the union, points to the conclusion that Gordon tested positive while in Stage III, which results in an automatic one-year suspension.

Fair or not, especially given the “A” bottle/”B” bottle discrepancy and the low 15 ng/ml threshold for marijuana metabolites, the latest positive represents the culmination of multiple violations by Gordon in only two NFL seasons.  And even though the World Anti-Doping Agency increased the minimum from 15 ng/ml to 150 ng/ml, that switch came just last year — and it occurred over the protests of the WADA scientific board.

That may not be enough for the NFL to overcome the P.R. fallout that necessarily will accompany kicking Gordon out of the league for doing that which is legal in two of the 22 states where the NFL does business, due possibly to an addiction similar to the one that may have resulted in Jim Irsay allegedly driving a car with potent prescription medications in his bloodstream.  Although a suspension is expected for the Colts owner, Irsay doesn’t face a cold-turkey-or-else mandate, enforced via up to 10 drug tests per month.

Then there’s the Ray Rice angle.  He gets suspended two games for knocking his wife out in an elevator, and Gordon gets abandoned by the NFL and the Browns for 365 days because half of his urine sample tested at 16 ng/ml and the other half tested at 13.6 ng/ml, an average of 14.8 ng/ml.  Which is 0.2 ng/ml below the limit that is 135 ng/ml lower than WADA’s new maximum.

Despite those facts, there’s currently no reason to believe that the league is worried about the public reaction to a one-year suspension for Gordon.  Of course, if the league had worried a little bit more about the public reaction to the Rice suspension, the league wouldn’t have made one of the most publicly criticized decisions in its recent history.

Permalink 111 Comments Feed for comments Latest Stories in: Cleveland Browns, Rumor Mill, Top Stories
111 Responses to “Report: Browns expect to lose Gordon for at least eight games”
  1. geezohman says: Aug 6, 2014 8:09 AM

    And the Browns had to have a feeling for this back in the draft, yet waited to get a ‘replacement’ receiver, even half his ‘caliper’.

    Browns schedule is brutal first many games (without him), leading to a public relations nightmare (win loss record) this coming year, (after cleaning house of coaches last year !)…

    factory of sadness

  2. hakunamangata says: Aug 6, 2014 8:10 AM

    There’s one thing that always seems to escape these articles about Gordon’s upcoming punishment and that is that this is his third strike.

    No argument that the league’s disciplinary policy is crazy with the ray rice suspension but this guy has been suspended twice now.

    Add on top of it that he was caught for a DUI AFTER he knew he’d be suspended at some point this year.

    So please let’s not make him out to be a victim in an archarne system. If anyone should know the consequences of the system I’d say it’s the dude who’s violated it two times already and doesn’t show signs of getting his act together.

  3. skoobyfl says: Aug 6, 2014 8:11 AM

    I wonder what would happen if a player’s wife gave the player steroids without his knowledge & then the player knocks her out ? Would he get 2 games or a whole season ?

  4. Bill Belitext says: Aug 6, 2014 8:14 AM

    I think they may need to lock him up somewhere and keep an eye on him. No way that dude can go 8 weeks (without football) and also not be smoking… Just saying

  5. clownsfan says: Aug 6, 2014 8:15 AM

    Well if Mary Kay Clueless says it then it must be true…….

  6. cash804 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:15 AM

    Queue the Ravens fan whining about video evidence that Ray Rice actually knocked his wife out in the elevator…sigh.

    This is a catch 22. Josh Gordon smoked weed. He didn’t murder anyone or knock his fiancé unconscious. To suspend him 16 games for smoking something that is already legal in multiple states is ridiculous and would only further a downward spiral.

    As a football fan (not a Browns fan), the NFL will be more exciting on Sundays if Josh Gordon is on the field.

    #JustLegalizeItAlready!!!

  7. eagleswin says: Aug 6, 2014 8:16 AM

    While the owners can be blamed for several things it’s ridiculous that you keep bringing up Irsay. Gordon’s punishment is specified by the CBA, Irsay’s is not. Gordon is an employee, Irsay is not.

    Yet everytime there’s a suspension all you do is try to make it seem that Employee = Owner. That’s simply not the case.

  8. laxer37 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:16 AM

    If we were talking about a first time offender leniency would be in order.

    Josh Gordon doesn’t deserve any leniency.

  9. gadzod says: Aug 6, 2014 8:20 AM

    So, he may get 8 games for this offense…..I wonder what he’ll get for the DWI he got last month….

  10. lbcoach34 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:22 AM

    so that would mean a negligible yet positive test (on one of two samples from the same piss cup) is at a minimum 4 times as bad as punching and KO’ing a woman.

  11. bonniebengal says: Aug 6, 2014 8:22 AM

    He needs to get less of a suspension than they give to wife beaters. So 1 game.

  12. jmblosser82 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:22 AM

    Rules are rules, he should be gone a year but I suspect money will overturn rules.

  13. micknangold says: Aug 6, 2014 8:23 AM

    It’s impossible to be physically addicted to pot. Stop insinuating Gordon is addicted.

  14. wallydippins says: Aug 6, 2014 8:26 AM

    I bet Gordon wishes he had just done something less punishable that night and just beat some women unconscious.

  15. brasho says: Aug 6, 2014 8:28 AM

    What does testing at 13.6 ng/ml mean exactly?

    Does that mean he was likely a victim of second hand smoke, smoked a long time ago but it hadn’t gotten out of his system, or do people register on these tests even when they haven’t smoked?

    Anyone?

  16. jimmyt says: Aug 6, 2014 8:29 AM

    Please stop comparing the Rice suspension to every other NFL suspension. It makes no sense.

  17. brasho says: Aug 6, 2014 8:30 AM

    geezohman says:
    Aug 6, 2014 8:09 AM
    And the Browns had to have a feeling for this back in the draft, yet waited to get a ‘replacement’ receiver, even half his ‘caliper’.
    ————————–

    You put “replacement” and “caliper” in quotes. Is there a reason for this or are you quoting these words from a brake installation manual?

  18. coachbeck says: Aug 6, 2014 8:31 AM

    Thank you @hakunamangata

    Glad to see some common sense posted.

    Should be a year so he can get his life right. 8 games plus his DUI just means he 4th offense is otw.

  19. Ed Bandell says: Aug 6, 2014 8:31 AM

    So the author is supporting a multiple time drug offender.

    I just want to get this straight.

    I also seem to see where the author seems to fail to realize that this is not a first time offense for Gordon, while it is for Irsay and Rice.

    The author also does not point out that Rice has actually gotten a more strict penalty from the NFL than lots of other players who have been accused of doing the same. Some have gotten a 1 game suspension while others have gotten no suspensions at all. Where was/is your outrage for those cases?

    I think in the interest in being non-biased and if you really do support a cause against domestic abuse, the author would have brought up all of these other cases and expressed the same level of outrage in those cases.

    Otherwise, you do realize how this looks?

  20. eaglesnoles05 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:32 AM

    Hopefully he doesn’t knock out a woman and drag her across the ground by her hair on the way to his hearing, or it could be 10…

  21. 4512dawg4512 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:33 AM

    I just can’t help but to think that this ALL Brandon Weeden’s fault

  22. Ed Bandell says: Aug 6, 2014 8:34 AM

    hakunamangata says: Aug 6, 2014 8:10 AM

    “…No argument that the league’s disciplinary policy is crazy with the ray rice suspension but this guy has been suspended twice now…”

    Actually there are cases where other players in the past were accused of domestic abuse that got the same suspension as Rice, only a 1 game suspension, or no suspension at all. Whether you agree with the lengths in those cases or not, that is another debate. But Rice got not preferential treatment as far as an NFL suspension goes based on other cases in the recent past.

  23. rollonthree says: Aug 6, 2014 8:35 AM

    The management of the NFL becomes a bigger laughing stock day after day. Third strike or not, smoking a little grass (or, more likely, being around people who do) is a much less egregious act than what Ray Ray pulled but he’s going to get EIGHT TIMES the amount of suspension for it. In what world, collectively bargained or not, does that make sense? Only in Roger’s world….and I guess that’s the world we live in today.

  24. handsofsteelhartofstone says: Aug 6, 2014 8:35 AM

    Weed will not enter your system second hand. It doesn’t work that way. It’s an uncreative lie that drug test failures tell.

  25. JackedUpSports says: Aug 6, 2014 8:39 AM

    the disciplinary system is so out of whack

  26. eaglesnoles05 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:39 AM

    Oh excuse me… I meant – Hopefully (gordon) doesn’t knock out a woman and drag her across the ground by her hair (for the first time) on the way to his hearing (for multiple weed offenses), or it could be 10 (games, instead of only 8)…

    Is that better?

  27. infectorman says: Aug 6, 2014 8:41 AM

    What does testing at 13.6 ng/ml mean exactly?

    Nanogram = 1 billionth of a gram

    Millilitre = 1 thousandth of a litre

    Appears he swallowed a stem of dope back in 05′

  28. Ed Bandell says: Aug 6, 2014 8:42 AM

    Let’s set the record straight.

    1) It doesn’t matter whether smoking pot is legal in some states. It is on a widely available list of banned substances in the NFL currently which is part of the CBA the PLAYERS agreed to sign. They know what the rules are. If they habitually break them, that is their own fault.

    2) In the states where it is not legal, there is only one way to get the product, which is also to commit a crime. Let’s not forget all the violence and deaths that occur around illegal drug sales and turf wars. If you buy illegal drugs, you support that.

    3) Josh Gordon’s suspensions do not come from him “just smoking a little weed.” Apparently the reason why he made it to either stage II or stage III is because he got caught with illegal codeine cough syrup. Often referred to as “purple drank” because of it’s color, it is commonly abused substance because it gets you high as well as relieves pain. The problem is that is is a class II narcotic and is only allowed to be used with a prescription. So, the forgery of a prescription to obtain this substance, or buying it through back channels is yet another crime that Gordon committed, not just getting caught with the usage or being under the influence of such a drug.

    And just like this author previously posted about the Ravens signing Will Hill after his numerous substance abuse run ins, the Browns will be happy to keep Josh Gordon and pay him to do his job (which he is good at by the way) because….”of course they do.”

    You can go through the roster of any NFL team and I bet you can find at least one player on the team that is getting at least a second chance after a substance abuse suspension. That’s just reality.

  29. nickster31 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:44 AM

    Just curious, how many of is normal people would lose our jobs if we failed a drug test?

  30. horsepedlr says: Aug 6, 2014 8:45 AM

    if he dosn’t get a year then d washington should be able to play this year to. after all they both did the same thing. if he dosn’t then the cards should sue goodell.

  31. nickster31 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:47 AM

    People need to understand that the Ray Rice punishment (though it is a joke) and the Josh Gordon suspension are apples and oranges.
    Rice is under the Personal Conduct Policy, which is discretionary, and Gordons is under the Substance Abuse Policy, with the punishments having already been agreed to by the union.

  32. trytobnimble says: Aug 6, 2014 8:50 AM

    Cannabis is not a “controlled substance”. Neither is it dangerous. It’s a plant. A gift from God. No pharmaceutical corporation needs to process a marijuana plant to create it. Profits are minimal. That’s why it’s a crime.

  33. valentino8100 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:51 AM

    The league isn’t interested in public opinion, only revenue, and thank God. To me, 16 games seems like overkill, but it is what has been agreed upon, and all the players are made aware of this. Somehow, they continue to want to work in such a terrible environment where they make millions. Go figure.

  34. Ed Bandell says: Aug 6, 2014 8:51 AM

    nickster31 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:44 AM

    “Just curious, how many of is normal people would lose our jobs if we failed a drug test?”

    Should add the “thumbs up” if you would lose your job if you tested positive. I would think in a lot of occupations anything that can impair your judgement would cause you to lose your job, even legal prescriptions if abused or legal substances like alcohol. If your job is driving and you show up to work drunk or high, that would get your fired.

    I could see in some cases where depending on the job itself, how long you worked there, and how supportive the company is, they might give you a suspension if you were willing to go through rehab.

    I know in one of my former professions as a Pharmacy Technician that if I failed a drug test, there is zero tolerance. I would be gone and I wouldn’t be able to work in another pharmacy ever again.

  35. mdpgc says: Aug 6, 2014 8:51 AM

    Smoking pot, but still putting up numbers (87 catches 1,646 yrds) and he missed 4 games last year. He would have put up over 2000 probably, if not for the 4 games missed.

    Look at Ricky Williams in 2002 (383 carries for 1,853 yrds)

    Stop hating on the pot smokers, they still produce on the football field.

  36. brownsmakemecrazy says: Aug 6, 2014 8:52 AM

    @nickster31 :

    Josh gordon doesn’t have a regular job. You are replaceable. He is not. Simple supply and demand. Economics 101.

  37. rob471773 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:52 AM

    Why is everyone hung up on the failed test for marijuana?

    It’s like everyone forgets that he got a DUI after the failed test. Both things occured after he was already in Level 3 of the NFL’s drug testing program.

    He should be suspended for the year.

  38. RegisHawk says: Aug 6, 2014 8:54 AM

    The disciplinary system is what the NFL & the NFLPA agreed to. All those players complaining about what is and is not allowed legally vs what is and is not allowed by the CBA contributed their vote to the very system they’re knocking.

    If you continue to make excuses and compromise on the agreed-upon penalties, you will enable the players to continue screwing up, which will lead to progressively worse incidents. See: Leonard Little, Aldon Smith and Josh Brent.

  39. brownsmakemecrazy says: Aug 6, 2014 8:56 AM

    Owners and the NFL seem to ignore the CBA when it benefits them I.e. Jimmy Graham case.

    They also ignore the personal conduct policy when one of their own gets in trouble and tarnishes the shield I.e. Irsay, Haslem, Wilf, and newest addition to the list with Jerry Jones posing in some disturbing photos with younger skanks

  40. jpaq68 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:56 AM

    The NFL needs to be consistent in handing down it’s penalties, otherwise they’re a joke.

  41. Ed Bandell says: Aug 6, 2014 8:59 AM

    trytobnimble says: Aug 6, 2014 8:50 AM

    “Cannabis is not a “controlled substance”. Neither is it dangerous. It’s a plant. A gift from God. No pharmaceutical corporation needs to process a marijuana plant to create it. Profits are minimal. That’s why it’s a crime.”

    That might be a fine definition in your mind, but this is how it is classified legally by the DEA:

    “Schedule I drugs, substances, or chemicals are defined as drugs with no currently accepted medical use and a high potential for abuse. Schedule I drugs are the most dangerous drugs of all the drug schedules with potentially severe psychological or physical dependence. Some examples of Schedule I drugs are:

    heroin, lysergic acid diethylamide (LSD), marijuana (cannabis), 3,4-methylenedioxymethamphetamine (ecstasy), methaqualone, and peyote “

  42. patriottony says: Aug 6, 2014 8:59 AM

    All of this noise is STUPID,,,he still has a nother charge,,(DUI) hanging over him,,,so if he gets it knocked down to 8,,,,,the NFL will really slam him for the DUI….dude do your time,,go get stoned for 12 months…

  43. watchfullhose says: Aug 6, 2014 9:02 AM

    I want to know what the qa/qc results indicate and what that the margin for error was. Also, am curious to see what the detection limit is (at what concentration the lab detects anything at all). It seems to me that a concentration of 1 ng/mL (the amount by which he exceeds the limit) is pretty hard to assure with deadly accuracy – especially considering the “duplicate” sample was 2.2 ng (~14%) off. 14% is a HUGE margin for error.

  44. numba1wiscosportsfan says: Aug 6, 2014 9:07 AM

    In related news, Brown expect to lose at least 10 games.

  45. drfeelyouup says: Aug 6, 2014 9:16 AM

    If he didn’t take a hit, you must acquit

  46. scw1993 says: Aug 6, 2014 9:22 AM

    Ed Bendell you should also lose your job if you beat your wife.

  47. goooooobrowns says: Aug 6, 2014 9:24 AM

    Strike 1: agreed to when entered the supplemental draft (which seems like a really dumb thing to have agreed to at this point)

    Strike 2: Positive for prescription aderall he simply hadn’t cleared with the team. Suspension reduced to 2 games.

    70 negative test.

    Strike 3: barely scrapes the very bottom of the lowest threshold in any professional sport and is actually below the threshold in the control for pot. A level that IS CONSISTENT with 2nd hand exposure.

    For that the league is going to ban him for a year. I realize the league simply doesn’t care but the optics on this suck.

  48. beattention says: Aug 6, 2014 9:24 AM

    Penalize those players on other teams but not my team because regardless what he has done we need all of our plays.

  49. clevelandrocksyourface says: Aug 6, 2014 9:34 AM

    I am amazed that anyone is out of touch enough or just plain dumb enough to still think pot is bad.

    That being said, he passed 70…count them…70 drug tests with that ridiculously low threshold prior to this test…and one of his samples passed THIS one. It all came from the same bladder.

    Get it through your thick skulls. He DID NOT smoke weed. Hence, no suspension is warranted.

    “But but but Cleveland, he got a DUI!!! He obviously likes to party!!! Whaaa!!!!”

    Yeah yeah yeah, and Ray Lewis likes to stab people, and Ben Roethisberger likes to molest women in public bathrooms. No Suspension for either of them.

    FREE JOSH GORDON YOU FIENDS!

  50. paulnoga says: Aug 6, 2014 9:37 AM

    Its not over even if its over. Gordon hired an expensive Law firm and they will fight. Remember the “Star Caps” fight against Vikings players. All they need is a judge to go along and stop the suspension.

  51. bmore20 says: Aug 6, 2014 9:39 AM

    He should just suspended on stupidity alone. 3 times? Then a DUI? Obviously football isn’t that important to him.

  52. dkalev says: Aug 6, 2014 9:39 AM

    If they do ever legalize marijuana I hope that the only place you’re allowed to smoke it is within the confines of your own home… That smell is so dang putrid…

  53. r8rsfan says: Aug 6, 2014 9:43 AM

    Reality check – marijuana is illegal in 48 states, including Ohio (actually it’s illegal everywhere per federal law). Put the soapbox aside because this is not the venue to advocate for legalization.

    Gordon chose to break the law in both obtaining and using pot. He’s lucky it was the league that exposed him and not the legal system.

  54. andreweac says: Aug 6, 2014 9:45 AM

    Remember kids – being in the same room as somebody who is smoking cannabis is worse than beating a woman until she is unconscious.

    This message is brought to you by the NFL and Roger Goodell.

  55. tvjules says: Aug 6, 2014 9:47 AM

    Go hit a woman, and they’ll knock it down to two games.

  56. Nofoolnodrool says: Aug 6, 2014 9:47 AM

    He should just suspended on stupidity alone. 3 times? Then a DUI? Obviously football isn’t that important to him.

    1 0
    Report comment

    Does the name Ray Rice ring a bell to you?Nobody from Baltimore is allowed to call some one stupid after what has transpired this off season.

  57. andreweac says: Aug 6, 2014 9:50 AM

    The NFL should simply stop testing for cannabis. Seriously, who cares if an athlete is high? Do they test if they ever drank alcohol?

  58. clevelandrocksyourface says: Aug 6, 2014 9:51 AM

    LEGALIZE IT YOU MORONS! FREE JOSH!

  59. indians4evr says: Aug 6, 2014 9:58 AM

    The threshold is stupid. These guys are athletes. Not role model. Again, for those who refuse to acknowledge the obvious. The U.S. has had three Presidents who have openly acknowledge they got stoned.

    Now, NFLPA go to the NFL and do a letter of memorandum on the marijuana threshold for testing. You, can keep the penalties/suspension the same w/o messing with the contracts.

    What if though, I reside in a State that has medical marijuana and get prescribed a prescription by my DR. and work in another State. I have a prescription and it’s legal where I live. The NFL, better start figuring things out. It is hard to suspended someone who has medical authorization.

  60. Bull Rush says: Aug 6, 2014 9:59 AM

    cash804 says: Aug 6, 2014 8:15 AM

    Queue the Ravens fan whining about video evidence that Ray Rice actually knocked his wife out in the elevator…sigh.
    ~~~
    Actually there are a lot more stupid jokes from people trying to be clever than Ravens fans talking about video evidence. And can we PLEASE stop using “Queue the…” to start a comment. This isn’t a high school play.

  61. 8to80texansblog says: Aug 6, 2014 10:01 AM

    Here’s the deal…. it’s not that Gordon’s suspension is too high….

    It’s that Rice’s was far too low.

    A player got a longer suspension for receiving a free tattoo while in college than Rice got for knocking out his girlfriend.

  62. mildfan says: Aug 6, 2014 10:05 AM

    The kid needs to change. The kid needs to be taught a life lesson. I am hoping it is a year. Aldon Smith of 49ers at least went to treatment.

  63. statweasel says: Aug 6, 2014 10:05 AM

    For those who make the point that Gordon is a repeat offender:

    1. He had some issues in college with weed which placed him in the NFLs program. Clearly he liked weed, still spends time in the company of others who like weed and has made some poor decisions. But he has not – as far as any report I’ve seen – failed a weed test in the NFL yet, at least prior to this event.

    2. Yes, Gordon was suspended by the NFL 2 games for codeine. The “purple drank” is an assumption (perhaps even a likely one) but it is an assumption only. AFAIK, codeine is the only thing he’s ever tested positive for in the NFL’s program prior to this.

    3. His tested level on this event was very low and could not be replicated by a second test. He passed more than 70 weed tests previously and passed some since his “positive” test was made. Whatever else Gordon was doing, he clearly wasn’t repeatedly smoking a lot of weed and if he DID smoke any weed this time, it surely wasn’t very much at all. This is far from a classic case of a pot head toking up repeatedly.

    4. His DUI is something I take seriously – but it was at a very low level and is very likely not going to be a DUI conviction at all when the dust settles. The NFL is hard pressed to suspend a guy for DUI when he has not yet been found guilty and likely will end up with a plea deal to a much lesser infraction.

    Those who want Gordon suspended seem to feel that even if the facts of this “positive” test are minimal, even if he doesn’t get a DUI, he’s still really stupid and deserves the suspension on that basis alone. But pretty clearly the NFL doesn’t suspend for stupid or James Harrison would have had a lifetime ban years ago.

    The idea that Gordon has tested positive for weed repeatedly since coming into the NFL is a myth. How do you go from a 2 game suspension to an indefinite ban after passing 70 tests – not in any reasonable system of management!

    If Gordon is suspended for the year, you can bank on an immediate suit from the NFLPA and Suh and very likely an injunction that ensures he plays while the courts sort this out. Far more likely is that the NFL and the team and Gordon agree to a minimal suspension and he’s back on the field in the first half of the season.

  64. Bull Rush says: Aug 6, 2014 10:05 AM

    Nofoolnodrool says: Aug 6, 2014 9:47 AM

    Does the name Ray Rice ring a bell to you?Nobody from Baltimore is allowed to call some one stupid after what has transpired this off season
    ~~
    Since we are making rules, no grumpy old troll is allowed to chase down Ravens fans on every article and insult them. Gordon has a priority problem. Poster is saying he’s not smart enough to make football his priority.

  65. valentino8100 says: Aug 6, 2014 10:11 AM

    Rice. . . Irsay. . . SMH. Pathetic to try to justify Gordon’s behavior and poor choices by that of anyone else. You can disagree all you want with NFL and NFLPA policy, and if it makes you feel better not to watch, attend, or purchase gear, don’t.

  66. factman1000 says: Aug 6, 2014 10:16 AM

    He will get 8 games to start, then get caught doing something stupid while hes sitting out. Might be the biggest moron ever

  67. bmore20 says: Aug 6, 2014 10:17 AM

    8to80texansblog says:Aug 6, 2014 10:01 AM

    Here’s the deal…. it’s not that Gordon’s suspension is too high….

    Pun intended?

  68. denverdude7 says: Aug 6, 2014 10:18 AM

    5X losers get what?
    ————————————————-
    A well deserved one year suspension that’s what !!!!!

    Do the crime… Do the time. Period.

    Bye-Bye Josh !!!!!!!

  69. ogbobbydeas says: Aug 6, 2014 10:20 AM

    Waste of potential hall of fame talent

  70. m056432 says: Aug 6, 2014 10:20 AM

    Does anyone know, is there a potential 4th suspension coming for the DUI? Since he’s stage three, will a DUI fall under the substance abuse policy or personal conduct policy? If i remember past instances, first time offenders punishments were left to the team’s discretion (Braylon Edwards) I’ll laugh if this gets reduced to 8 games and the league hands down a suspension for the DUI on top of it.

  71. goodellhatesfootball says: Aug 6, 2014 10:22 AM

    If only he hit his wife as hard as he hits the bong, he’d only be out 2 games. Ray Rice needs to punch some sense into this kid.

  72. condeclar says: Aug 6, 2014 10:25 AM

    Go read the website Field and Court dot com….

    Good article about how the testing procedure violates Ohio state law. Ohio law states both tests have be above the threshold (set by company).

    Josh Gordon is an employee of an Ohio company and the star caps case supported the fact that the players are still subject to State employment law.

  73. kevo95 says: Aug 6, 2014 10:32 AM

    Doesn’t make sense Rice knocks out his fiancé gets only 2 game suspension this guy gets maybe 8 for doping ,COME ON MAN

  74. jolink653 says: Aug 6, 2014 10:35 AM

    Third strike. He clearly didn’t get the message the first two times, so he deserves a year just for the sheer stupidity of doing it knowing what he was risking. He’s willing to risk his career for a couple hours of getting high?

    And stop with the addiction thing. Weed is not addictive. Saying that it is spits in the faces of people who have actual addictions to drugs or cigarettes or alcohol.

    I agree the league is better off with Josh Gordon in it, and I hope he gets his life together, but that doesn’t mean I feel sorry for him or think he should catch a break on this. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, you get suspended for a year.

  75. osiris33 says: Aug 6, 2014 10:36 AM

    You don’t seem to understand the difference between the public and the media. That’s why you can’t grasp why fans don’t want the Redskins name changed.

  76. ldebes1 says: Aug 6, 2014 10:46 AM

    Would you quit whining about this? And please stop comparing the Ray Rice, Jim Irsay, and Josh Gordon situations. You are comparing apples to oranges. If you want to argue that Rice’s suspension is too light, or that Irsay’s suspension is too light, please by all means, do so. But Irsay (even if he were subject to the same rules as players under the CBA) would be treated as a first time offender under the substance abuse policy and would not be suspended at all under the CBA. The same way Gordon wasn’t suspended when he first fell under the substance abuse policy.

    Ray Rice is a first time offender under the personal conduct policy. And while many people believe 2 games isn’t enough, the fact is, that many people with normal jobs don’t get suspended when they get into a domestic altercation with their wife. Personally, I think that Wife Beaters should be drawn and quartered, but I don’t think it is the NFL’s job to do it. If you want to criticize someone, criticize the DA’s office for not prosecuting him.

    As for Gordon, please stop saying that the drug is legal in 2 states. It isn’t. It is still illegal everywhere in the US under federal law. The fact that the DEA has said it won’t enforce the law in those 2 states doesn’t make it legal. Would I have a problem if MJ were legal? No. But there are many things that are legal under the criminal justice system that are prohibited by the NFL rules (such as having a prescription for a prohibited substance).

    Gordon knew that MJ was prohibited and that he was on a short leash and still put himself in jeopardy. He knew he would be tested frequently and still put himself in a position for a positive test. Your argument for leniency would work better for a first time offender. Not a third strike loser.

  77. buckifan4life says: Aug 6, 2014 10:53 AM

    I don’t think Gordon’s defense team should deal. Make the NFL look like fools and ban him for a year. I think Goodell is too smart to really do that. There is a problem with their testing parameters when two bottles are different values and average less than the threshold combined. The judge may find in Josh’s favor. Anything more than 4 games and I wouldn’t deal. This is already a P.R. nightmare. ..

  78. realitycheckbaby says: Aug 6, 2014 10:58 AM

    I bet if Goodell sat with Dr Phil we’d find some really screwed up stuff from his past.

    He hides behind the CBA to gleefully nail a pot smoker but is benevolent in his punishment for a guy who balled his fist and hit his fiancée so hard she went unconscious.

    Wonder what that concussion did to her brain.

    My guess is he has issues with women and pot smokers from his past.

    And BTW, saying Rice’s punishment was just because Goodell never punishes domestic violence doesn’t make you, or him, look smart.

  79. granadafan says: Aug 6, 2014 11:07 AM

    Gordon has had numerous violations and is on the Stage 3 program. That weed is legal in 2 states is immaterial. That weed ought to be legal in all the states is immaterial. The drug is still illegal and against league rules. The drug was STILL in his system regardless of the ridiculous argument about the A/ B bottle “argument”. If the NFL reduces the suspension, they’ll send a terrible message to the players about drugs.

    The NFL has to stick to their guns in regards to Gordon because he’s blown so many chances.

  80. crush22 says: Aug 6, 2014 11:21 AM

    … And Mikey’s Irsay obsession continues.

  81. ducksk says: Aug 6, 2014 11:22 AM

    Using pot still has some consequences, it was his choice. Own it. Clean up or go back to where you came from. As for the DUI. If it’s pt .09 or pt .2 he broke the law. No pity, I think he he is just a stoner and stupid. Ba bye.

  82. sbchampsagain says: Aug 6, 2014 11:27 AM

    druggies. yuck.

  83. codythao35 says: Aug 6, 2014 11:28 AM

    Wait, what? This guy should be out of the league already. Guess he must be Satan’s disciple.

  84. pfu2 says: Aug 6, 2014 12:13 PM

    Mary Kay is a joke, on another note she just found out Weeden isn’t on the team & that the Browns drafted Johnny Football.

  85. jnbnet says: Aug 6, 2014 12:13 PM

    Simple solution. Waive the suspension. His tract record says that he will fail the next test….then suspend him after strike four.

  86. radar8 says: Aug 6, 2014 12:24 PM

    micknangold says:
    Aug 6, 2014 8:23 AM

    It’s impossible to be physically addicted to pot. Stop insinuating Gordon is addicted.
    ——————————————————

    It’s a psychological addiction and it is every bit as real as a physical addiction.

    So, yes, Gordon is addicted to pot.

  87. buckifan4life says: Aug 6, 2014 12:32 PM

    He reportedly has passed 70 drug tests in the last year or so! Give the young man a break. By the way, those of you who could pass that many drug tests and never had a couple drinks a drove, cast the first stone.

    This country is becoming a real mess and there are so many holier than thou people out there all of the sudden…

  88. buckifan4life says: Aug 6, 2014 12:35 PM

    Simple solution: drop pot from the banned substance list already… it’s not a performance enhancer.

  89. rajbais says: Aug 6, 2014 12:41 PM

    And Cleveland avoided drafting WRs???

    Face it, in a Western they’d go into a gun fight with forks.

  90. simplesimon1 says: Aug 6, 2014 12:56 PM

    It’s not fair to suspend a player when the limits being used are below the instruments ability.

    As an example, to decipher between 15 and 16 ng/mL is not possible. That’s why Olympics use 50-60 ng/mL. The error introduced by the instrument or the technician can add more difference than the test itself. It’s also why all samples are tested in minimum of 3 times, always. That way you get an idea if the sample reading is even correct or significant.

    The NFL is actually using a technique and numbers which are so low that error can exceed the limits of the instrument. The league better be careful. Even a zero reading can have that amount of background. I could smell a lawsuit if a suspension happens and you have any technician in charge of running HPLC samples. They know this is not possible. The league can effectively use this low threshold to suspend whoever they want because the low limit set is impossible to validate exactly.

  91. ghost26 says: Aug 6, 2014 1:02 PM

    micknangold says:
    Aug 6, 2014 8:23 AM

    It’s impossible to be physically addicted to pot. Stop insinuating Gordon is addicted.
    ——————————————————

    It’s a psychological addiction and it is every bit as real as a physical addiction.

    So, yes, Gordon is addicted to pot.

    Mick,

    Exactly. I love the arguments from people who truly believe that people can’t get addicted to marijuana b/c it’s not ‘physically addicting.’ Last time I checked neither is gambling or over-spending or over-eating yet there are a large percentage of people in this country who clearly can’t control themselves.

  92. mrfrostyj says: Aug 6, 2014 1:12 PM

    brasho says: Aug 6, 2014 8:28 AM

    What does testing at 13.6 ng/ml mean exactly?

    Does that mean he was likely a victim of second hand smoke, smoked a long time ago but it hadn’t gotten out of his system, or do people register on these tests even when they haven’t smoked?

    Anyone?

    ————————————————

    Yes and no. It could mean he is telling the truth and was a victim of second hand smoke (and the person who commented that’s not possible obviously didn’t pass 9nth grade science), It could mean that he had smoked but it was quite a long time prior to the test (which isn’t likely due to Gordon reportedly having to be tested regularly in the step 3 process) or it could mean that instead of smoking it he instead used a product that had Marijuana in it (brownies, cookies, etc) which could also be done with or without his knowledge and result in testing under the current legal limit but above the NFL’s threshold. Obviously with one of his buddies getting arrested for possession during his first traffic stop this year he actually has a pretty clear case for the second hand smoke argument.

    That’s the reason the World anti doping agency has a “legal minimum amount” of 150 ng/ml. Which is 10 times higher than the 15 ng/ml the NFL currently uses. There is no possible “second hand smoke” argument with that amount unlike the NFL’s which is way too low and as if related to a legal substance like Alcohol would give police the ability to arrest a person for DUI if they ingested a cap full of over the counter cold medicine or used a really strong mouth wash and then took a Breathalyzer.

    With pot now being legal in Colorado and Washington state the NFL even if it decides to keep it’s current legal level amount needs to throw out the A or B bottle method and just go with 1 true result because this won’t be the last time a guy gets a positive due to “luck of the draw” testing. Should Gordon be suspended. Yes, The policy is pretty clear on that but the problem is the “All or Nothing” part of the policy. Punishment should fit the crime and not be decided before the crime is committed. 1 year ban is ridiculous for almost testing positive for pot. If this was Ricky Williams or Justin Blackmon aka guys who are blatantly breaking rules and don’t care 1 year ban is understandable. In this case the guy in question has been clean for years and is paying for things he did in college with other teammates who might not be influences in his life anymore.

  93. ghost26 says: Aug 6, 2014 1:15 PM

    ‘simplesimon1 says: Aug 6, 2014 12:56 PM

    It’s not fair to suspend a player when the limits being used are below the instruments ability.

    As an example, to decipher between 15 and 16 ng/mL is not possible. That’s why Olympics use 50-60 ng/mL. The error introduced by the instrument or the technician can add more difference than the test itself. It’s also why all samples are tested in minimum of 3 times, always. That way you get an idea if the sample reading is even correct or significant.

    The NFL is actually using a technique and numbers which are so low that error can exceed the limits of the instrument. The league better be careful. Even a zero reading can have that amount of background. I could smell a lawsuit if a suspension happens and you have any technician in charge of running HPLC samples. They know this is not possible. The league can effectively use this low threshold to suspend whoever they want because the low limit set is impossible to validate exactly.’

    Simon,

    You just don’t get it do you? Every NFL player is a member of the player’s union & every aspect of the drug testing process was already collectively bargained & agreed to by the player’s union. Therefore there is no gray area here. Now while every player has the right to file an appeal–they have absolutely no grounds to file a lawsuit against the league, anyone employed by the league, or anyone who handles the testing.

  94. sguire says: Aug 6, 2014 1:26 PM

    People,

    You can’t “set the record straight” if you have your facts wrong. I’ve read a lot of people saying a year is just fine for a whole host of reasons. While I do not share this opinion, people are entitled to have their opinions. People are not entitled to their own facts and there is a lot of misinformation being posted as “facts.”

    Understand that I am an attorney practicing criminal law so I’ve researched the facts that I will post:

    1. Possession or even acquisition of small amounts of marijuana is not a crime in many states. In many states it is the equivalent of a minor traffic ticket. So, justifying the marijuana policy on the notion that it’s illegal in all but two states is inaccurate. Would you advocate suspension from employment if somebody got a ticket for going 56 mph in a 55 zone? What if two radar guns were used and one showed the driver going 52 mph and the other 56?

    2. Second-hand smoke indeed can cause false positives. Studies show that positive tests can occur from second hand snake if you are in a small, enclosed area, such as a car, with people that smoke. Those studies, however presume a much higher testing threshold. The NFL’s testing threshold is much lower than most employers, correctional agencies or the Olympics. Thus it is far more likely to detect second hand smoke. Considering reports that Gordon was passing 10 u/a’s per month and considering how long THC stays in your system, it is almost certain that the presence of THC in his system was due to second-hand smoke.

    3. Gordon had an earlier positive test for codeine, but this by no means indicates he was consuming “purple drank,” which contains codeine and most likely destroyed Jamarcus Russell’s career. Codeine is a very commonly prescribed medication (Tylenol-3) and is actually the only medicine that will actually help a severe cough. The over-the-counter stuff literally does nothing. Google it.

  95. buckifan4life says: Aug 6, 2014 1:28 PM

    Really ghost? Are you absolutely sure about that???

  96. FinFan68 says: Aug 6, 2014 1:28 PM

    I have no problem with a full year ban on a repeat offender. What I do have a problem with is the ridiculous way that the results are obtained/viewed. It’s not even the woefully low thresholds; it’s the fact that the difference in labeling (admin process) means a 1 year suspension or a negative result solely depending on which bottle the technician happened to grab first and label “bottle A. The results in both bottles should be over the limit to constitute a positive test, IMHO. Test bottle A; if over the limit–test bottle B. If B is over the limit then call it a positive test and punish according to the schedule. If bottle B is not over the limit (like in this case) then call the test a negative test and press on.

    Yes, the players (union) signed off on this process and can be held to the letter of the language but I doubt seriously this situation was the intent. I believe that the tests are accurate but may differ by a few ng (tolerance). The language was probably written to avoid any loophole the lawyers can exploit by the results not matching exactly, i.e. A shows 175ng and B shows 173ng therefor the results must be bogus. (even though both are clearly over) That is not what we have here and the NFL should realize this and fix the debacle

  97. tcostant says: Aug 6, 2014 1:49 PM

    Isn’t it funny how the “plain language” in the CBA wasn’t worth the paper it was written for Jimmy Graham.

  98. statweasel says: Aug 6, 2014 1:51 PM

    The CBA is very clear as many of you have noted.

    It’s also very likely unenforceable as a legal document in the state of Ohio.

    There are all sorts of things people agree to, vote on, approve and otherwise ascent to which are later determined to be unenforceable, illegal or invalid. Contracts and agreements are overturned every single day.

    So when someone says the testing limits are too low, too imprecise or too easily distorted with the NFL’s current processes, they are making an argument which the CBA cannot itself settle. Repeatedly posting “it’s in the CBA so it’s a done deal” isn’t an answer. It is (very likely if the NFL is heavy handed) the court system which will determine whether the CBA is enforceable in Ohio and under Ohio law.

  99. weepingjebus says: Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM

    No, pot is a performance de-enhancer, that’s why it’s listed. Who is going to pay $350 a ticket to watch a bunch of stoned potheads drop passes and screw up plays? I can get that in my local park for free.

  100. wvucolumbus says: Aug 6, 2014 2:27 PM

    The appropriate punishment suitable for Josh Gordon and the merits/benefits of legalizing marijuana are two totally separate subjects.

    1) I completely am in favor of the legalization of marijuana in all 50 states.

    However,

    2) I completely am in favor of Josh Gordon receiving the punishment that was collectively agreed to for a THIRD offense.

    Just because I agree to #1 doesn’t mean that I believe Gordon should be “let off the hook”.

    I constantly view many posts where the focus of the argument is #1. They then “reach” to void all responsibility of Gordon based on this irrelevant opinion.

  101. simplesimon1 says: Aug 6, 2014 2:32 PM

    @ghost,

    You stated:

    “You just don’t get it do you? Every NFL player is a member of the player’s union & every aspect of the drug testing process was already collectively bargained & agreed to by the player’s union. Therefore there is no gray area here. Now while every player has the right to file an appeal–they have absolutely no grounds to file a lawsuit against the league, anyone employed by the league, or anyone who handles the testing.”

    Sorry, but I work with the instrument they speak of. The internal standard used in this testing is closer to the 150 ng/mL range specifically because it takes error out. The sensitivity of these instruments cannot provide data that deciphers the difference between 15 vs 16 ng/mL. So it matters not what is written in the CBA because those that made the CBA and signed the CBA aren’t professionals in the field.

    Let me put it this way. They are using an amount that is so low that somebody could test to have 16 ng/mL simply because that amount is beyond the capabilities of the instrument itself. If a machine has a sensitivity of 10ppm, which is usually what these machines have, well that is 10 ng/mL. That means 20ng/mL, as an example, can test anywhere from 10ng/mL to 30ng/mL. There is a specific range that is used. That’s why the WADA says to use 150 ng/mL, or 150ppm. Because it’s impossible for the background to exceed the instruments capabilities.

    Gordon should find any technician that works with an HPLC. The CBA, signed or not, is not legal when the league takes advantage of the lack of knowledge of the other side. Honestly, I now fully question all drug testing being done by the NFL. There is no way to accurately test the levels they are. They can simply say anybody tests positive and suspend accordingly if that is the level they’re using.

  102. provguard says: Aug 6, 2014 2:48 PM

    8 games is way too long. About 1 game and a note from Mom?

  103. shaneafer says: Aug 6, 2014 2:49 PM

    I’m not going to compare any of this to another suspension for a different act. Not saying other suspensions should have been handled differently, but in this case, it should be simple.
    If Josh Gordon has violated the substance abuse policy (which HE signed) multiple times (which he has), then he should be punished accordingly. Obviously, I do not know the wording of the policy, or the actual punishment, but seriously, this is not his first time offense. So, honestly, if he ends up suspended for the whole year, fine; if the NFL decides to compromise and make it 8 games, fine. Really, it could just come down to if you do the crime [multiple times], you do the time.

  104. mactimo says: Aug 6, 2014 3:28 PM

    Mary Kay and every other media member misses the most important thing in this story. The CBA cannot preempt or supersede rights contained within state law. This is the holding of the US supreme court and the federal court of appeals from the starcaps case. In ohio the law is if you have 2 samples and one is a negative then the whole test “must” be considered a negative test. So under Ohio law josh gordon passed his test and it was negative. So the cba can’t come in and institute a different testing standard and take away his employment. The starcaps case lasted 2 years the whole time those guys played. Josh will play, this season, period!!!! Mary Kay doesn’t know what she is talking about

  105. mactimo says: Aug 6, 2014 3:39 PM

    @ghost26 You could not be more wrong in your comment that he has no right to file suit because he agreed to the cba. The supreme court of the united states completely disagrees with you. He has ever right. Just like the starcaps case which im guessing you didn’t read. He can file a lawsuit and he will win! guaranteed. Ohio law is clear and the cba cannot supercede state law. The US supreme court has held this for the last 108 years

  106. tralfaz1127 says: Aug 6, 2014 4:49 PM

    mactimo the second sample is to verify the presence of the substance that was positive in the first test. Not an opportunity to use the lower amount. He tested above the limit, the b sample verified the presence of the drug he tested positive for, so he failed the test.

  107. simplesimon1 says: Aug 6, 2014 5:23 PM

    @tralfaz1127

    Sorry, but read my previous comments. With the lower than low amounts they are using as their threshold, the test becomes invalid. 15ng/mL is barely above background and deemed invalid if it were taken to any court of law with a professional that knew how the instrument works and it’s effective sensitivity. This is why the WADA suggests 10 times the amount for a true positive test. This “positive” would never hold up in court. The fact that there were 2 means nothing because even a completely negative sample would test background of near the same level.

  108. mrmidevil says: Aug 6, 2014 6:45 PM

    I fail to see the issue. As an NFL player, you are NOT allowed to use drugs. Regardless of the threshold, if you use drugs, you should face the penalty.

    To a larger issue-

    What is so hard about staying out of trouble?!?!?!? You are paid MILLIONS to play a GAME….and you cant keep yourself out of trouble?

    I don’t get it.

  109. jollyjoker2 says: Aug 6, 2014 9:11 PM

    sb zero weeks. This stuff doesn’t make you play better – if anything – worse. And considering several states its legal that makes 8 games – crazy. Ray Rice – beats a gal half to death and gets two games. Pathetic.

  110. excessivedrinking says: Aug 6, 2014 9:41 PM

    Here’s the difference.

    Non Browns fans look at facts, and realize that Gordon should be suspended for the whole year.

    Browns fans look at “hope” and blame things like society and poor judgment for Gordon’s continued ineptitude.

    Sure seems like the non Browns fans have a more realistic view. Maybe that partially explains why the Browns have been the door mat of the league since they came back to take beating after beating.

  111. Ed Bandell says: Aug 8, 2014 12:27 PM

    “3. Gordon had an earlier positive test for codeine, but this by no means indicates he was consuming “purple drank,” which contains codeine and most likely destroyed Jamarcus Russell’s career. Codeine is a very commonly prescribed medication (Tylenol-3) and is actually the only medicine that will actually help a severe cough. The over-the-counter stuff literally does nothing. Google it.”

    I actually don’t have to google it as I have multiple years of experience working in a Pharmacy. I know that Tylenol # 3 is only one of the many forms of medications that codeine appears. In that form it is used as a pain killer. Usually in a liquid form (mixed with some other ingredients) it is used as a cough suppressant. Rarely if ever is the pure codeine tablet used for anything anymore.

    It is actually not as widely prescribed as it once was because of the potential for abuse and addiction. Over the years there have been many non-narcotic drugs coming onto the market in order to treat pain and coughs. There are plenty of other things Josh Gordon could have been prescribed for a cough. Also, don’t know if you’ve ever had strep throat before, but it doesn’t exactly make you cough. I would have bought the excuse if he said he was taking it for the pain in his throat as strep can be very, very painful.

    The only thing we have to go on is Josh Gordon’s word. Given his track record I think his word isn’t worth a thing at all. The man has some drug addiction issues and they need to be taken care of. I am not saying that to be vindictive, or because I hate the man, or the team he plays for or anything. There are a lot of fans out there that have their priorities screwed up.

    “Who cares if he is destroying himself with drugs, he can play football!”

    The man needs to get his life straight first, and football second.

Leave a Reply

You must be logged in to leave a comment. Not a member? Register now!