Payton “very upset” with Graham’s pair of post-touchdown dunks

AP

When the NFL outlawed the goalpost dunk, Saints tight end Jimmy Graham vowed to lead the league in penalties.  While he’ll have competition from defensive backs throughout the league, Graham got off to a good start on Friday night.

Two touchdowns, two dunks, two flags for Graham.  And one pissed off coach.

Payton said nothing to Graham after the first one.  Payton apparently said something to Graham after the second.  Payton definitely said something to the media afterward.

“Yes, I was [upset],” Payton told reporters, via Nick Underhill of the Baton Rouge Advocate. “I’m very upset. Would you be upset? I was, particularly.”

In all, the Saints had 22 penalties.  But the most avoidable came from Graham, who simply needs to not continue to do that which became illegal after he knocked a goalpost askew in Atlanta during a regular-season game in 2013.

Even if Graham’s defiance of the rules and his coach ends now, it’ll likely be costly.  Under the 2014 fine schedule, a first offense unsportsmanlike conduct foul costs $11,025.  A second offense costs $22,050.  If the league decides to send a message to Graham, he could be donating $33,075 to the various charities that receive the fine money collected throughout the season.

Ongoing defiance would get more costly.  But it’s likely that Graham won’t have to worry about testing the NFL’s limits; Graham already has exceeded his coach’s.

127 responses to “Payton “very upset” with Graham’s pair of post-touchdown dunks

  1. I still think Barry Sanders’ simple toss to the ref and jog to the sidelines was the most badass TD “celebration” around. Graham is a great talent and very fun to watch, but I can’t help but think that he’s a total tool after this nonsense.

  2. Look at me! Look at me!!!!! Real team player.

    Hey Jimmy, isn’t it time you came up with an original celebration, instead of just copying a better tight end than you’ll ever be?

  3. He should dunk on every TD. And since the fines get progressively higher, he should make sure to hang on the goalpost to make it hang down on one side or the other. He’ll get more “bang for the buck” that way. If Payton & the Saints don’t like it, trade him or waive him. I’m sure another team or 2 may tolerate the “problem child.”

  4. Imagine how much more fun work would be for all of us if we celebrated in some way after we accomplished the tasks that we are being paid to perform and expected to perform!!!
    How fun would it be to see garbage high giving each other after each can was collected! Or beauticians chest bumping each other after cutting someone’s hair!!!! Work would be so much more fun.
    Instead we simply go about our business performing the tasks that we get paid for and then move on to the next task to be accomplished just happy to get a paycheck at the end of the week without drawing attention to ourselves ! What is our problem???

  5. He is just having fun and getting the crowd excited in the preseason. No way this continues in regular season. Having said that coach Payton is rightfully upset. Any coach wants the games taken seriously. Even in preseason.

  6. Y’know it was messing up the goalpost that screwed him over, and he only has himself to blame for that. When he screwed up game time while they had to fix it, he cost somebody some money. Never forget the NoFunLeague’s prime directive: MONEY OVER EVERYTHING. If he doesn’t mess up the goalpost, nobody cares.

  7. Increase UC penalties to 25 yards and make the fines a substantial percentage of the player’s salary for that week.

  8. Why is everyone mad at Jimmy? Yes he wasn’t suppose to do it but why is there a rule for that? He had been doing that for what two years now? After a while this game will be played by ROBOTS WHO ONLY OBEY.

  9. Sean Payton got to assess the bubble players trying to make his team, perform kickoff coverage duties two extra times. That is at least worth something to the team, in return for field position in a meaningless game. What Payton should be upset about is the other 20 flags. Oh, and no one cares what the Saints and Graham haters have to say.

  10. Why would he keep doing this? It’s not even a cool celebration. And now it costs your team 15 yards. Bro you didn’t invent the goalpost dunk, let it go.

  11. Time for Jimmy to switch to a layup or fade away jumper.

    He’s clearly fighting a losing battle. The Saints seem to be unable to control their player, but the league won’t allow this to continue.

  12. Graham is a good player, but also an idiot. If he’s that stupid about wasting his money, tell him to donate it to an orphanage or some place which will benefit kids.
    And if he can’t control his dunking, tell him to go play in the NBA.

  13. Honestly, I think in preseason it is worth making his point. I think there is a little Nazi mentality in the league office. Despite the $billions, this is still all about some young guys playing football, competing and having fun.
    I think the league has better things to worry about, like, how a guy smoking pot (Blackmon, Gordon) face career ending suspensions. Or how about how to avoid the league going the way of big tobacco because the people who love it most are being physically disabled due to concussions.
    If Graham does this in a season game, Payton should bench him. that would be too selfish.

  14. Why is everyone so butt hurt about the dunks? Before it was made illegal by the No Fun League all of us were excited to see the dunks. They were the icing on the cake. And now that it’s illegal y’all say it’s stupid? Smh. He messed up the goal post 1 TIME… Out of all the times he has dunked it. C’mon son. It’s not that big of a deal. LET THE MAN DUNK

  15. OMG…the GODell lemmings are out in droves today so this will definitely be a minority opinion.
    It used to be that celebration on the field was a part of the games. Look in the stands whn the home team scores…people go bonkers…including you. So the player(s) who successfully score are NOT allowed to show their emotions and celebrate because you and the dweebs running the NFL(the networks) are primarily interested in limiting length of games, not respect/disrespect towards your opponent?
    Some of the most dramatic games I’ve been to as well as watched included celebrations.
    God help us…
    Y’all need to get your meds adjusted
    It’s part of life to have emotions

  16. Payton is so mad he’ll probably cut off Graham’s access to his desk drawer where he keeps his “goodies” from the training room…

  17. JG is taking the Seattle approach to his actions. If I just dunk it every time they will tire of throwing the flag and keep the game moving.

  18. “Excessive celebration” penalties are against the rules (necessary or not) …

    These penalties are absolutely avoidable and the fact that some players continue to engage in this “selfie” demonstrates a lack of team discipline …

    Wanna stop it? Fine the head coach as well as the player …

  19. Not a Saints fan, but this is a stupid rule that should be outlawed by the NFL. What’s next? Are they going to start flagging players who spike the ball in the endzone?

  20. Two things I hope happen – The league does in fact fine him the 33k+ for this, and 2nd if he does it again, Payton suspends & fines him for “conduct detrimental to the team”, as that in fact is what it is.

  21. JG is taking the Seattle approach to his actions. If I just dunk it every time they will tire of throwing the flag and keep the game moving

    And yet Seattle’s DBs have been the least penalized in the NFL so far this season.

    Ironic, no?

  22. kayakattack says:
    Aug 16, 2014 8:04 AM
    Yes, because the saints are real stickers about the rules and playing fair.
    ____________________________________

    Um, what does this have to do with playing fair? Graham is not cheating, he is stupidly hurting his own team.

  23. t8ertot says:
    Aug 16, 2014 9:32 AM
    He does what he wants, and I respect that
    ____________________________________

    So, you think he’s more important than his team?

  24. DaveKShape says:
    Aug 16, 2014 7:54 AM
    I still think Barry Sanders’ simple toss to the ref and jog to the sidelines was the most badass TD “celebration” around. Graham is a great talent and very fun to watch, but I can’t help but think that he’s a total tool after this nonsense.

    ________
    That’s true but Sanders was a showboat also. If anyone did the polar plunge or whatever you want to call it where he turned around and fell into the endzone today it would also result in a penalty.

  25. Barry always did it best. Score, toss ball to official, and run back to your sideline, smile, and enjoy the game.

    Randy Moss had a good one as well back when he played in MN… He always would run over to the corner of the endzone, because he paid for tickets for a handicapped child to come to the game, and he would run over there, and give him the ball.

    Don’t make a big deal out of things, and act like you’ve been there before.

  26. once he “hung on the rim” so to speak last year, it was pretty obvious they were going to change the rule. Instead of defiance, he should feel some guilt for his peers who did their dunks without hanging on the goal post.

  27. The rule should only be applied if he messes up the goal post.
    Dunk + crooked goal post = fine
    Dunk + not crooked goal post = who cares let’s keep the game moving

    Everybody wins

  28. The people who are saying it’s a preseason game are spot-on. Payton is just being a good soldier for the Shield. LOL @ getting mad at this, dude get mad about stuff that matters.

  29. It’s called selfish. You do something that you know hurts your team because you “wanna do it”.
    Selfish.

  30. This is the most salient point:

    If the league decides to send a message to Graham, he could be donating $33,075 to the various charities that receive the fine money collected throughout the season.

    I realize the purpose of this site is to trash guys like Graham and pretty much everyone who plays, but I kind of think money to charity is a pretty good thing–in any context.

  31. The celebration is corny. That said, you’d think Payton would ENCOURAGE it in the preseason for one, to give a big middle finger to that dope goodell who took 8 million clams from him for no reason and no.2… To test your kick coverage. No sense in having your kicker show off his leg in the preseason. You want to see what kind of kick coverage you got in case you ever need it.

  32. Sean Payton: “Jimmy couldn’t been more than 27 at the time but he was already a legend. He was placed in a group home at 11 and was catching TD’s for the Saints at 25. Catching TD’s never bothered Jimmy, it was business, but what Jimmy really loved to do…what he really loved to do was dunk over goal posts, I mean, he actually enjoyed it. Jimmy was the kinda guy that rooted for the bad boys of the NFL.”

  33. Good job Graham bring FUN back to the N_L don’t sit idly by and watch Goodell destroy the game of football. For those of you that still wear pants how bout giving a thumbs up if you approve this message!

  34. He will probably throw his shoulder out “dunking”when they play the Cowboys. Should be another track meet so get your pop corn ready unless Romo it not playing to his previous level or worse yet on the side lines.

  35. Selfish

    “Why is everyone so butt hurt about the dunks?”

    Why? because the team gets penalized.

    Is it stupid, yeah. They should be allowed to celebrate, within reason, but a rule is a rule, and he’s hurting his team for his ego.

  36. Hey Jimmy. Football is a team sport. There is no ‘I’ in team, but there are two ‘I’s in ‘Idiot’.

  37. If they banned it for no reason then fair enough.

    But they didn’t. They banned it because it delayed a game for 15 minutes which was great pain for everyone watching and it is at least some risk for causing injuries to crowds, fans or on field personnel.

    There are a bunch of rules regarding taunting and celebrating in the NFL that are stupidly heavy handed and typical no fun league.

    But this one came in for a pretty legit reason. If you don’t want to obey the rules they don’t make millions playing a sport. Every day people follow every day rules at work because they have to for safety no matter what the risk.

  38. This is not about a player getting “emotional” and inspiring others. This is an orchestrated, preplanned “look at me” display that gets his team penalized into probable lousy field position. Can not respect anyone who puts his teammates in a hole like this. As long as there’s a rule, it’s a rule. Your move, coach.

  39. I’m disappointed.

    I wish Payton had come out and said, “I have no problem with him doing it in the preseason, when field position really isn’t that big of a deal. It’s a really, really, stupid rule and if Jimmy wants to do it as a protest in the pre-season, and doesn’t mind paying the fines, more power to him. I trust him to be smart enough not to do it when the games count.”

    That’s what I would have said anyway.

  40. I agree with his defiance in the PRESEASON. He will make his point and move on in the regular season. Maybe he can break out the dunk to put the icing on the cake of a sure win. Besides that maybe he can work on his throw downs without touching the rim. Or fake dunk finger roll.

  41. The rule is very stupid in the first place. BUT you shouldn’t hurt your team just because you want to dunk the ball.

    How about this: Jimmy, if you learn how to block correctly, we’ll let you dunk the ball.

    Capiche?

  42. You would think there might be a lot of peer pressure directed at Graham by his team mates after costing them 15 yds for knowingly and stupidly violating a league rule?
    And if a HC is a HC, he should certainly be able to tell Graham not to do it again, and that should be that?!

  43. I’m against stupid rules but this isn’t one of them. Example: I’d love to see Graham dunk on a goal post, subsequently bend it, then once they switch sides of the field, the Saints miss a field goal when it clinks off of a upright due to a bent goal post. If it was to win the game, would any of you still be crying to let him draw attention to himself with a prop? Celebrating is one thing, but altering the equipment on field that helps determine who wins a game due to stupid “celebration” is another.

  44. Maybe he should try and sign with an NBA team if he wants to dunk that badly.

    If he keeps it up the team should suspend him for a game or two.

  45. How fun would it be to see garbage high giving each other after each can was collected! Or beauticians chest bumping each other after cutting someone’s hair!!!! Work would be so much more fun.
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    I would love to watch beauticians bump chests!

  46. Keep killing the game of football, losers.

    People don’t watch because the game is so slow as it is, now it’s gonna be an hour longer than it ever has been due to flags.

    It’s a joke now.

  47. dreaded9214 says: Aug 16, 2014 8:55 AM

    Why is everyone so butt hurt about the dunks? Before it was made illegal by the No Fun League all of us were excited to see the dunks. They were the icing on the cake. And now that it’s illegal y’all say it’s stupid? Smh. He messed up the goal post 1 TIME… Out of all the times he has dunked it. C’mon son. It’s not that big of a deal. LET THE MAN

    Maybe not all of us are “excited” to see something that many people have done in the past. Maybe not all of us are “excited” by the delay caused by a fool that can’t clear the bar “that 1 TIME…”. Did the post move? Did it get higher? Did someone block his dunk attempt? He messed up the post and caused a delay 1TIME so it could happen again. Don’t watch the “No Fun League” and don’t whine, those are your choices.

  48. If Payton is so upset than fine the crap out of him. We continue to allow these selfish players to feel as if they are the most important thing on the field.

  49. “Who’s Jimmy?”

    Great. I didn’t know Richard Sherman’s tag was nosleeptilsb!!!

    Graham is just another turd floating in a bucketful of them.

  50. It’s funny because he’s emulating Tony Gonzalez by doing it but at the same time if the league told Tony that it was now illegal he wouldn’t disrespect the rules, his teammates or his coaches by continuing to do it.

  51. Glad to see all the Saints haters alive and happy. As a saints fan I was laughing when he did this. Sticking the middle finger up to Goodell is natural to us down here. And honestly I’m not sure why all of y’all are upset. I thought the whole league hated goodell. If anything y’all should be on the players’ side on this one. And to the idiot who said we’ll never win with Graham…check back with me when we are on a plane to Arizona in January.

  52. I understand Jimmy’s frustration with this rule but hurting your team is nit gonna change anything. It is very selfish when what you’re ydoing is hurting the team, jimmy needs to stop thinking about himself and think about the team

  53. 2 personal fouls, maybe they should consider throwing him out of the game for complete disrespect to the rules..

  54. This guy is a good talent, but I would not want him on my team.

    If you look up the definition of what a team is, this guy violates it. He should put his stupid celebration aside and do what’s best for the team.

  55. It’s a shame that the NFL doesn’t allow this anymore but it’s (obviously) rather foolish of Graham to be doing this. If I was Payton I’d be having a long talk with him.

    Someone else earlier in the comments mentioned Barry Sanders’ TD “celebration” and I have to agree. That simple toss to the official and jog back to the sidelines always looked to me like Barry was saying “Yeah, yeah, no big deal. It’s just a touchdown and trust me, I’ll be back in here again before the game is over.”

  56. I watched the post game conference. Peyton didn’t seem like he really cared. He was just saying it because he has to. I’m sure once the regular season starts jimmy will stop doing it.

  57. I’m a bleed-Black-and-Gold SAINTS fan but I can still recognize bad behavior when I see it. Not the man-of-character he is supposed to be. Fine him and let’s move on. This is getting way too much attention which was the point to begin with.

  58. I never had strong feelings either way about Graham, and I supported him in his contest against the franchise tag, but his reaction to a rule change that he is responsible for completely changes the way I see him, and not for the better. I comes across as a petulant child who is more worried about his ego and tough guy image, then he is about the well being of his team.

    This is worse then anything Desean Jackson ever did when he was with the Eagles. He might have acted childish off the field but he never did anything to purposely hurt his team on the field.

    I don’t care how good he is I’d rather take Desean back today if it meant keeping Graham off my team. There is no place in the NFL for guys who put self ahead of team.

  59. Get a clue people. This was predictable for a preseason game. He’s had his fun, and stated how he feels about it. Now it’s over. Big deal.

  60. TD celebrations are ridiculous.

    “Look at me. I actually did what I get paid millions of dollars to do. I did want most kids do every year playing football.”

    It’s a touchdown, moron, not world peace. Guys that celebrate a touchdown like they’ve cured cancer are clowns.

    Show some class. The other guys on your team helped you to get that TD.

  61. Someone needs to tell the coach that dunking a football after a TD is nowhere near as big of an infraction as overseeing a defense full of cheaters who collect bounties on opposing quarterbacks.

    Enjoy that ring, Payton. It means NOTHING unless you win fairly – something you didn’t do in 2009.

    Before getting mad at his tight end for breaking a minor rule, the Saints’ head coach needs to think about who really broke the rules, and in a major way.

  62. I respect the opinions concerning my “Aints” and our superstar, and I personally have always hated his little dunk thing because it detracts from the team’s accomplishments. But you suck clowns that troll the same thing on every Saints thread are tired and sad.

    So, let’s look at the Big Board:
    4 + “Bountygate” references
    1 + veiled Katrina reference
    1 + 2009 NFCCG reference

    4+1+1 = combined IQ of trolls on here. Thinking hurts the first time, so you might want to approach it slowly.

  63. Some people just don’t know how to lighten up and have fun! Jimmy just having fun in preseason. Everyone complaining how Goodell ruining the game, then you side with him.

    Saints haters!

  64. Saints are gonna tear it up this season. WHO DAT! Guess that’s why there’s so much whining from other teams fans. Must be doing something right.

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