Patriots asked Mankins to take a pay cut before trading him

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Anyone reading Bill Belichick’s heartfelt tribute to Logan Mankins would know that they didn’t want to trade him — right up until they did.

But they gave the best guard Belichick ever coached a true example of The Patriot Way on his way out the door.

Per multiple reports, the Patriots went to Mankins asking for some of his money back. He was scheduled to make $6.25 million this year and $6.75 million in 2015 and 2016.

It’s similar in theme to the spot defensive tackle Vince Wilfork was in this offseason, but enough paper was shuffled to allow him to stay.

But when Mankins balked at a pay cut, as you might imagine he would, he suddenly became expendable — as they all will be at some point.

Their pragmatism was the Buccaneers’ gain, as a problematic offensive line now has a bit more stability.

71 responses to “Patriots asked Mankins to take a pay cut before trading him

  1. I can’t imagine the reaction any other franchise would get if they dealt away a team captain on the eve of the season. Around these parts, its a right of passage. You get people calling talk radio doing their best Belichick impersonation saying “it is what it is”. None of these guys go on to do anything of meaning. Mankins will be no different. What will Packers fans do when they rename the Lombardi trophy…

  2. Not a fan of Mankins. He almost derailed the CBA negotiations during the lockout with his stupid contract demands.

  3. Makings gave up 9 sacks last year, though it’s unclear how many of those were in part due to the play of the other linemen. That’s an awful lot for the 3rd highest paid player at his position to give up.

    Hence the Pats viewed him as worth less to the team than the 6+ mil he was going to make this year.

    And it think Belichick saw a chance to fill the most glaring need the Pats had with a competent pass catching TE. He had 54 catches last year with the lousy Bucs QBs throwing to him. Just hope he’s smart enough to pick up the Pats offense. There have been quite a few free agent receivers that looked good with their previous teams but couldn’t cut it with the Pats.

  4. I get that you’re trying to make something negative out of the way the Pats handled this, but to act like the Pats pulled a shady move on poor Mankins is naive. Mankins himself has been very open talking about how business first the Patriots are, and willingly signed a lucrative deal to stay.

  5. The Patriots under Belichick believe every player has a price and, with Mankins likely about to play the last year at Foxboro (because of his age, salary cap hit and slightly declining play), I guess it was a case of capitalising on a trade now rather than prolonged contract negotiations and (another) potential holdout next year.

    I’m sad to see him leave as he is one of my favourite players, but I understand the business side of the decision and find it difficult to criticise an organisation which has been consistently competitive (and a Super Bowl contender) for the last 13 years or so.

  6. It’s cool, the reaction will be well Bill/The Pats can’t do anything wrong but this “great dynasty” hasn’t won a super bowl in a decade. And when they are out golfing yet again in an embarrassingly weak AFC the pats fans will clutch to their 2004 super bowl shirts and tell us all how much better their team is than the rest

  7. Belichick never has a bad word to say about anyone publicly, unlike the Jeff Fishers and other loser overated coaches. You haters hate but know I am right.

  8. It will hurt the Patriots run game, but Brady was getting killed up the middle in a few games. We’ll see how it goes.

    Makes sense to try and keep him for less $. They might end up doing the same to Brady in a year or two. Brady might decide to take the paycut though. I’m not sure he cares about more $. If Belichick won’t start him, he’ll go though.

  9. team first = doing what is best for the team

    me first = i refuse to negotiate my contract!

    accommodating a player = trading him so he can get his entire yearly salary rather then cutting him and then having the player play for half of what he would have been making which is what Tampa will do next year to Mankins if he does not restructure his contract with them. Granted the patriots get an H-back, cap room and a 4th rounder out of the whole deal so they benefit just as well.

    I support players getting as much as they can as quickly as they can as well as supporting teams dumping those exact same players when they stop to produce at the paid for level. I love people who try to compare NFL players to other union workers like carpenters and delivery drivers.

  10. I hear lot’s of noise and complaining from lot’s of people – with the notable exception of Logan Mankins. Maybe we should all stop being offended for him. He can take care of this all by himself.

  11. I’m sure mankins cries in his pillow at night in one of the largest cities in the US, in a state people all over the country vacation in, as the pittance of a state lottery winning trickles into his bank account this year, while in the back of his head thinking in five months I’ll be back in my ranch in CA. It’s almost as bad as being in prison.

  12. Good thing he didn’t give the Patriots a home town discount last contract negotiations, because now he has a new home.

  13. All the kool aid drinkers in NE coming out of the woodwork…Can’t blame them for kissing the BB ring I guess given the success, but me thinks the time is *finally* coming where the Pats come back down to Earth…

    The D lines in the AFC East are all pretty fierce this year and Brady may be taking a few more lumps than normal…Saint Brady may be due for an injury fall folks…then watch out.

  14. “I’m a team player, I took them at their word, and I felt I played out an undervalued contract,” Mankins said in 2010. “Right now, this is about principle with me and keeping your word and how you treat people. This is what I thought the foundation of the Patriots was built on.

    “Apparently, I was wrong. Growing up, I was taught a man’s word is his bond. Obviously this isn’t the case with the Patriots.”

    This quote is even more relevant now. Belichek called Mankins one of the best players he ever coached, but never treated him as such during his time with the Patriots. It also makes the front office look dumb by dumping a guy not even two years after giving him a $50million contract extension.

    Mankins graded out as the top guard this preseason by PFF. He’s better than any other guard on the roster. Just a dumb move all around.

  15. New England is an aging quarterback away from being football Siberia. Mankins gets an instant pay raise in Tampa with no state income tax.

  16. The Pats could have easily handled Mankins’ deal for at least this year. I’m no NE or Brady fan, but I feel for him. He has repeatedly left some dollars on the table when negotiating his own deals, to allow for a better supporting cast; his head must explode when Belichick and Kraft pinch pennies like this, and trade an All-Pro for a pittance.

    The most curious part is the timing: Mankins had the same deal months ago as he did yesterday, 3/4 of the way through the preseason. If money is the issue, why did it come up now?

  17. This is what helps to make Bill Belichick the #1 Coach. He is always conscious of value. If he says take a pay cut, do it or else. Logan Mankins just learned a valuable life lesson that everyone is expendable.
    This season is about to start. Bill and Tom can expect another Super Bowl ring.

  18. “The most curious part is the timing: Mankins had the same deal months ago as he did yesterday, 3/4 of the way through the preseason. If money is the issue, why did it come up now?”

    Desperation from the Bucs, and an evaluation of the TE population behind Gronk. Through 3 games, the Bucs OL was one of the worst I have ever seen, and Lovie always waits too long to make a move to fix an ailing unit. The Pats, like they always do, waited until they could get max value out of the guys they trade away. Might still do the same thing with Mallett if anyone gets their backup hurt this week. Belichick may be a lot of things, but he has always come out ahead on trades.

  19. Pretty ballsy to ask a guy who is worth his contract to take a pay cut. How do we know he is worth what he is being paid? The fact that the Bucs traded for him.

    Pats would have probably still traded him if he took a paycut. It would just increase his trade value.

  20. Oh boohoo, poor Mankins, what were the Patriots thinking by not continuing to make Mankins one of the highest paid o-lineman in the league while he was 2nd in allowed sacks in the entire nfl last season.

    The NFL is a business and if you’re not doing what you’re being paid for then goddamn right you should either be released, restructure your contract or be traded to someone willing to pay for what you offer. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with the Pats not willing to pay 6+ mil for allowing that many sacks and not living up to his contract.

    And for those asking why now instead of weeks ago, maybe, just maybe, the Pats wanted to see if he would bounce back from last year’s subpar play during training camp and preseason games.

    And for those commenting on Revis, there was already a report out there that Kraft approached Revis a few weeks back about signing an extension because of how impressed they are with him.

    I really question if this would be a story if it were any other team…

  21. Dirty ferret

    You the only one who knows the real deal. Logan was my neighbor in north Attleboro. Class guy. Wish him the wife and the kids well. Bill better watch out cuz Logans son case is a clone of him future HOF !!! Go Fresno State Bulldogs forever!!

  22. maybe mankins wouldn’t agree to cheat, as that seems to be pats culture. cheating is systemic and institutional in new england don’t call me boston. the nfl’s version of the RICO statues.

    they operate as it whitey bulger is belichick’s mentor.

  23. The Patriots could easily have traded Mankins earlier in the preseason. Something tells me this was in the works for a long time.

    Reminds me of what KC did to Flowers, letting him go just at the start of training camp, limiting his choices for teams who still had money left to spend. As a Charger fan, we really needed him, but he could have made a lot more signing with another team–had be been given the chance.

  24. Time will tell but this looks like smart football for the Pats

    Mankins was rated as the 18th best Guard – but even that is based on his better run protection than pass protection – and we all know that protecting Brady is job #1

    So Mankins, a mediocre pass blocker wanted to be paid as the best

    The Patriots are likely better off investing the $13 million saved into extending Revis or other players.

    They can find someone as good or better than Mankins at pass blocking for a fraction of the cost

  25. never take a pay cut… play somewhere else… who cares where you play getting your money is key…moment you do this they will come at you till you say no…

  26. Tough to knock Belichick’s track record… but to ship out your left guard a week before the season opener sure seems risky. Zero time for the new guy to get up to speed before he has to protect Brady with everything on the line.

  27. .
    People are forgetting about Marcus Cannon. He’s scheduled to be an UFA after this season and has performed at a high level when asked. I’m sure the Patriots would like to promote Cannon to starter and resign him to a long term deal. Mankins is 32, Cannon 26.
    .

  28. Why anyone would sign long term there is a mystery to me. The pats don’t honor contracts unless your name says Tom Brady or Bill Bellichick on the contract.

  29. What good is a contract if the FO feels they can strong-arm you into taking less half way through? If you don’t like the terms, FO, don’t agree to them.

  30. I’m all for the players making as much money as they can, but at the end of the day they have to understand that it is a business and teams are limited as to how much they can give each player because of the salary cap.

    Mankins was a great player while he was here, but last year he allowed 11 sacks and graded out as a mediocre guard. He’s still a good run blocker, but this is a case of the Patriots getting rid of a big contract of a player who still has value and getting some solid pieces in return. I am really excited to see what Tim Wright can bring to this offense and I really think the space created by trading Mankins will go to a Revis and/or McCourty extension. Belichick knows that a good defense can beat a good offense any day, and those two are a lot more important to the success of the team than Mankins would have been. Elite corners and safeties are extremely hard to find. Solid guards can be had through the draft or through free agency

  31. Gronk is great but a pattern is emerging: only one half of a seasons healthy in every other year. The option of a two-tight end offense makes the Pats much more unpredictable, and with the increased sacks at Mankin’s position, Brady may have been an advocate of this move. Notice how Parts load up on receivers in the year AFTER Tom has had to make do with lesser talent. Who was it who said that it is always better to trade a player one year too early that a year late?

  32. @bullcharger say “Brady might decide to take a pay cut in a year or two”. This is Brady’s last year on his current contract. Next contract is for three years for 27 million, so Toms going to play for less than the 9 million per year he’s on the books for. I’d like to be a mouse in that negotiation room.

  33. Poor Logan and his family…no more New England winters, just sun, sand, sea, no state income tax, lower cost of living, Disney World just an hour away for the kids, swimming pools, fishing boats and a young, upcoming team on the rise with a solid core of able vets on both offense and defense! I hope the Mankins will be able to adapt!

  34. BB seldom does something stupid. My money says he senses Manikin is declining and it wasn’t just the money issue.
    We’ll see how it looks at year-end; reminds me a bit of the Seymour trade, Richard was never the performer for the Raiders he had been for the Pats.

  35. Terrance Knighton exposed Mankins in the AFC CG. It was pretty sad for Mankins that it’s the play he’s going out on as we beat for a sack a big 4th and 3 in the 3rd quarter for a 10 yard sack. Mankins brings a tough attitude to any offensive line and he’s a better run blocker that pass blocker. To make the kind of $ he was getting, you’ve got to do better than giving up so many sacks and big ones like he did last year. Mankins plays hurt and you have to wonder whether he was doing that all of last year or what exactly was behind his very average year. Every player in the NFL, not just Patriots, knows that if you don’t play to your contract and refuse to renegotiate, there’s a good chance you’ll be gone. Instead of cutting Mankins, Belichick was able to get a much needed tight end and a middle round draft pick. It’s great for Mankins that he will still collect every dime of his salary for 2014. Of course, the Bucs will feel no cap hit in 2015 if he doesn’t perform as a $6 million player and decide to let him go.

  36. My mom and I both work in insurance. She’s the VP of Operations. Obviously, very high up. And she always reminds me: everyone is replaceable. If the CEO left tomorrow, they could find someone to fill the job. No one is THAT special.

    I don’t feel bad for Mankins. He’ll continue making his money; he’ll just be doing it on a different team. ::shrugs::

  37. Word in Boston papers that Patriots players are “pissed” at the trade. Mankins was a team captain and the leader in the locker room. Btw,it is reported that the Bucs called about one of their backup guards but landed Mankins. Oh well, they don’t pay me to worry about their team.

  38. chrisk61 says:
    Aug 27, 2014 12:47 PM
    maybe mankins wouldn’t agree to cheat, as that seems to be pats culture. cheating is systemic and institutional in new england don’t call me boston. the nfl’s version of the RICO statues.
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    Gee, maybe Mankins will finally be the one who spills the beans on how the Pats been cheating all these years. There’s easily been over 200 or so former players and coaches who have come and gone since the year 2000….. maybe he’ll break the silence.

  39. Mankins pass blocking last year resembled Max Lane trying to block Reggie White in the Super Bowl. Although still a first rate run blocker, the Pats can’t afford to have two whiffers like him and Solder on Brady’s backside. TB is still the only indispensable player on this team. They will sacrifice in the ground game, but Mankins replacements will do a better job keeping the franchise upright against the pass.

  40. surfinbird1 says:
    Aug 27, 2014 2:26 PM
    Word in Boston papers that Patriots players are “pissed” at the trade.

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    Which Boston papers are those? I live 10 miles from the stadium, 20 miles from the Boston city limits… “pissed”?

  41. darrenjamesmorgan says: Aug 27, 2014 12:32 PM

    The Pats could have easily handled Mankins’ deal for at least this year. I’m no NE or Brady fan, but I feel for him. He has repeatedly left some dollars on the table when negotiating his own deals

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    Mankins has never left one red cent on the table. Not ever. Neither has Megahead, your golden boy.

  42. tolan04 says:
    Aug 27, 2014 11:58 AM
    Patriots got a better draft pick for mankins than they gave up to get welker and moss.
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    This is incorrect. Welker was traded for a 2nd and a 7th. Moss was traded for a fourth (same as Mankins).

    Ya blew it.

  43. You guys so eager to see Brady go and the franchise collapse into ashes are going to be very disappointed.

    This team will be good as long as Belichick is around, and maybe as long as the Kraft family owns it. It all starts with them.

    Garopollo looks like a pro and he’s 2 months on the job. Careful what you wish for.

  44. I think the fish are glad to not have to deal with him anymore, be fun to see if there is a difference in there O line. Bill

  45. Someone forgot to tell Darin Gantt the New England Patriots don’t operate like the Jacksonville Jaguars. Belichick traded an aging player who’s been getting beat on pass plays lately and got a pretty good tight end, a 4th round draft pick, AND the ability to lockup Darrelle Revis and Chandler Jones to longer deals. Selling high. Belichick is brilliant.

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