Ray Rice most likely is done in the NFL

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America loves a good redemption story.  The NFL loves one, too.

But Ray Rice most likely won’t be getting one.

At a time when the term “distraction” somehow has become a bad word in the NFL, Rice presents a distraction that no coach will want to tolerate.  It won’t take many players in any given locker room to create a critical mass that makes it impossible to welcome Rice to the team, and few if any teams ever will have few enough dissenters to justify giving Rice a job.

Rice’s shot at redemption becomes undermined in three ways.  First, Rice apparently lied to the team and the league about what happened in the elevator, creating the apparent impression with the Ravens that a punch wasn’t even thrown.  Second, the video becomes indelible and undeniable; if video had existed of Mike Vick drowning or electrocuting dogs, for example, it would have been hard for the NFL to give Vick a second chance.

Third, and most importantly from a football standpoint, Rice plays a position that has more supply than demand.  With six years of wear and tear and signs of diminishing skill, teams will opt in all cases for a guy who doesn’t carry a big, nasty pile of baggage into the building.

For Rice, the best and only hope could be the Patriots, given the whole Rutgers/Schiano connection.  But even if Bill Belichick wants to give Rice another chance, owner Bob Kraft — who once abruptly rescinded the rights to fifth-round draft pick Christian Peter based on his record of violence against women — probably would block it from happening.

So it’s likely over in the NFL for Ray Rice.

81 responses to “Ray Rice most likely is done in the NFL

  1. Oh piffle. Josh Brent was a drunk driver whose passenger was killed when he crashed his car. Michael Vick did prison time. You can name any number of reclamation projects in the NFL over the years given second, third and fourth chances. Rice will get another chance if does what he’s needs to do to earn it.

  2. Bob Kraft dropped Jason Peter due to the urging of his wife…his wife died in 2011 and now Kraft is pal-ing around with 20 something blondes…

    Ray Rice is a better RB than any of those bums on the Pats roster right now, so if/when his suspension is lifted, Im sure he will be in New England

  3. I think he will get another chance. I hope so. Many of you guys who saying he shouldn’t ever play again will be the main one hosting fight parties this weekend for Mayweather.

  4. He plays running back, the most replaceable position in the league, and is just coming off a year averaging 3 YPC, a very poor average. Even before the domestic violence his career didn’t have long left.

  5. All it takes is ONE GM/Owner/Coach to let a sick, twisted coward like this back into the NFL. After all, Dog Killer found that team, didn’t he? All he did was butcher, torture, starve, rape-stand, pull teeth, electrocute and slam dogs to the ground over and over and over and over till they died, all for fun and profit…and he got back in, didn’t he?

  6. Americans loves a redemption story. Yes. Even more, Americans loves to stomp you when you’re down and keep you down for as long as they can. They love to trumpet their own self-righteousness and hold up your mistakes to the world, while conveniently forgetting their own. They love to take a holier-than-thou stance at every opportunity and they love to profit off of your singular misdeed.

  7. How do I say this. First off, I have never ever struck a women, and have only been struck once, although I probably deserved it many times. But is there never justification? If a guy is hit with a punch and spit on, does that not justify striking back in self defense, even if it is a women. I may be old and out of touch, but I don’t understand why a man has to take anything and everything a women does to him without defending himself. Why are men the only ones who have no rights, just because a women is involved. Just saying….

  8. Who are you to destroy and punish a 27 year old man, for life? Let’s ban a 27 year old for a horrible decision and action, who has never had any previous off field indiscretions for LIFE. Shame, shame, shame. People make mistakes, people can be redeemed. Punish, redemption, forgives-ness.

  9. I hate to see his career be over because we know that there have been woman beaters in the league, but what I cannot accept from the Ravens and the NFL is the account of ray rice’s story led them to react the way they did before the new tmz video release.

    Why does the way the story that the story is told or the account have to matter??

    He beat up his wife and that’s the end of the story. If the NFL and the Ravens really cared or wanted to make the right decision it would have put domestic violence ahead of embarrassing evidence. The NFL and the Ravens only made a bold decision after embarrassing evidence popped up and that doesn’t mean that they’re proactive against domestic violence or are worthy more support than ray rice is. There are three losers in this case.

  10. Curious where Florio obtained the information that Rice apparently lied to the Ravens and the NFL about what transpired. I know there was a report that Rice’s teammates felt he lied to them, so is Florio assuming that Rice must have lied to the NFL and Ravens team officials as well?

    From a PR standpoint, you would think that the Ravens and the NFL would have run with the idea that they mistakenly trusted Ray (and, apparently Janay’s) version of the incident and it wasn’t until they saw the video that they realized they had been duped.

    However, from the reports I have seen, the Ravens and the NFL took action not because of any deception by Rice but because the shock of watching the assault instead of reading/hearing about it compelled them to take further action.

    Something is just not right about how this all went down.

  11. Bob Kraft dropped that dude because his wife was against it. His wife is gone now & I doubt his 25 y/I girlfriend cares who they have on the team so long as he keeps her flush with $$$$.

  12. He isn’t getting another chance because of his age. I think every player that beats on girls should get kick out of the league just like he did.

  13. He isn’t getting another chance because of his age. I think every player that beats on girls should get kick out of the league just like he did.

  14. The story going around today is that the Ravens are saying what they saw on the video tape is pretty much how Rice described it went down. Ray Rice is a scumbag, but the Ravens and the NFL must be held to a higher standard and they failed so miserably it’s just disgusting. Heads need to roll!

  15. “the video becomes indelible and undeniable; if video had existed of Mike Vick drowning or electrocuting dogs, for example, it would have been hard for the NFL to give Vick a second chance.”

    I really don’t understand this concept. If you Know the guy did a crime, whether or not the video of him is out there shouldn’t make a difference to what the punishment should be. First it was a 2 game suspension. Now he’s cut?

    You don’t issue punishment based on how bad it looks to the fans, you do it based on your policies and rules, consistently. Clearly we know where the NFL’s head is at.

  16. Ray Rice has still been paid millions of dollars to play football. His wife’s comments and a gut feeling tell me he has spent more than he has made. What’s the percentage of NFL players who become bankrupt?

  17. How do I say this. First off, I have never ever struck a women, and have only been struck once, although I probably deserved it many times. But is there never justification? If a guy is hit with a punch and spit on, does that not justify striking back in self defense, even if it is a women. I may be old and out of touch, but I don’t understand why a man has to take anything and everything a women does to him without defending himself. Why are men the only ones who have no rights, just because a women is involved. Just saying….

    If you don’t know by now you are a loser. As an adult you should know how to control your emotions as the physically stronger person can cause much more harm. Thoughtful interaction between adults usually prevents physical harm. Finally have you ever heard of the gold rule? You know do unto to others as you would want do unto you? Step away from your keyboard ….think……easy now isn’t it.

  18. My takes are as follows:

    It amazes me how visually observing something has such a powerful impact — as contrasted with merely connecting the dots to what obviously happened in that elevator.

    What we saw is what I expected to see months ago — and yet only now is everyone furious.

    Americans (most of them) are all about “second chances” (and third chances, fourth chances, etc.). But that video has put the period on the end of the chapter of Rice’s NFL career.

    Michael Vick was able to get a second chance, but I suspect it’d have been a whole hell of a lot different — if video footage had emerged of him electrocuting dogs, hanging dogs, slamming dog skulls on pavement, drowning dogs, tossing stolen “bait dogs” to get shredded, etc.

    It’s just astonishing that we need to see an event or events to get the visceral effect – that should have been provided by common sense. What did we think happened inside that elevator? That Rice was reading poetry to Janay, and she just swooned so much she lost conscious? What we saw is what we should have expected two months ago.

    This just underscores how impactful visual evidence is — relative to mental imagery based on supposition and subjective conjecture.

  19. wolejr03 says: Sep 9, 2014 9:43 AM

    I think he will get another chance. I hope so. Many of you guys who saying he shouldn’t ever play again will be the main one hosting fight parties this weekend for Mayweather.
    ———————————–
    When, or better *IF* boxing allows inter-gender fights, you would have a valid point. Until that happens (NEVER), your post says you belong in the caveman days!

    I hope this piece of trash never plays in the NFL again! What he did is absolutely disgusting!

  20. Brandon Marshall is considered a great player and great teammate, despite the fact that he had held a knife to his ex-girlfriend’s throat when they were a couple.

    James Harrison punched his ex-girlfriend in the eye when they were together, and less than a year later he was a Super Bowl hero for the Steelers against the Cardinals.

    No video evidence exists of either incident. Both players were given proverbial slaps on the wrist, and everything has been quickly forgiven and forgotten.

    There are dozens more players out there in the league right now with horrible acts of domestic violence on their records. If the league truly cared about the issue, all these players would be wiped out and replaced on their respective teams. This issue has been ongoing for years, and it’s troublesome to say the least that it’s only now being addressed to any degree.

  21. The irony is that Brandon Marshall has beaten up his partners (wife and girlfriends) multiple times over many years and he was never charged.
    His good fortune is that nothing was ever captured on video in an elevator. Marshall appears to have his mental disorder under better control since he moved to Chicago.
    However, it is interesting that all of the media (and Bob Kraft) are piling on Rice but it was just one incident compared to Marshall’s repeated incidents that were conveniently overlooked.

  22. Ridiculous! Yet Mike Vick gets back in and a whole cast of others! James Harrison never got any suspensions and Jim Brown (just to name some related names on domestic violence) gets a pass?! It’s just not right.

  23. Your first reason undermining Rice’s probability of return to the NFL is incorrect – that he lied about what happened in the elevator. In fact, it’s been quoted today from a raven’s source that (grossly paraphrased) “what happened in the elevator is essentially what a Rice described, but looks much more violent in video”. I point this out to suggest that the ravens deserve no credit for quick response to the reality of what happened, only for quick response to a PR nightmare and to their own best business benefit.

  24. Ray Rice will beat all odds. You can back him into a corner but he’ll come out swinging. Sure this story has been a slap in the face to his reputation, but he’s a fighter and if there’s a puncher’s chance to win this I’m confident Ray will find a way.

  25. He’s gonna sue and get reinstated. His punishment was already handed down. Can’t go back and change it. The nfl knew a punch was thrown in the elevator. Why else would the wife be knocked out? Now that the video has leaked people want to act outraged. She clearly hits him in the face before they get on the elevator. Where’s the outrage on that? Oh it’s a double standard…. Ok. Alcohol was involved, mistakes were made, move on.

  26. People need to give him a second chance.
    Are we better than God himself to pass judgment on another human being? He who is without fault cast the first stone.

  27. Ray Lewis, Mike Vick, Josh Brent, Richie Incognito…really? Make an example, that there are no second chances in the NFL since it’s an elite professional sports club with thousands of other deserving kids competing for that roster spot.

    There is NO rehearsal in life.

  28. everyone needs to remember, that while he has a right to make a living, playing for the NFL is a privelege, not his right. C-ya in the canadian league wifebeater!! too bad roger goodell wont lose HIS job over how badly he mishandled this

  29. I don’t believe he should get a 2nd chance… and I believe we have the right to cast stones (I think we should not spend one nickel on certain criminals.. no rehap.. no free housing… why spend any resource on a murderer or rapist?).. this is not that but I take exception to your views..

    but if he did get a 2nd chance

    I am really hoping it is one game and the players go Longest Yard on him!

  30. Some players like Michael Vick have the talent that is worth a second chance. Ray Rice is an aging running back coming off a down year. There is no big upside to signing him, and he’s not worth the negative publicity it would bring.

  31. Kudos to Will Gay (who has all of the credibility to make a statement) to come out to support getting the Rice’s counseling.
    The crime here is Roger’s handling of this. I’m disappointed that it was apparently more important to get Michael Sam a job than to eliminate Rice’s.

  32. Americans do love redemption stories. So long as the person redeeming himself isn’t a young black male.

    That said, he’s likely done playing football for a living. And he deserves to be.

    Hopefully they get the help they need. But I gotta say, whenever I read a blurb written by Florio on this subject it reads as if he is as excited as a little boy getting an ice cream sundae.

  33. Stick a fork in him…that Rice is cooked.
    Too old for a team to consider him and he had slowed, check out last years stats.
    Plus he will have to be reinstated and that isn’t a guarantee that will happen.

  34. Give him a year, guys that kill should be gone, we are still looking for Ray Lewis’s suit, there are guys that have (through drunk driving) killed people that are playing. What Rice did was horrible, stupid, evil, but he should not be banned forever. He needs to take the year off. Let fans forget a bit. Then if he can help a team give him a shot. I doubt he would get that because teams are scared of backlash… If teams can’t take tebow’s publicity why should they deal with this?

  35. Once again, I believe you are losing perspective here.

    What Rice did was horrendous. However, this is the same NFL which allows drunk drivers who hit and kill people back into the league after serving a suspension. This is the same NFL that allowed Michael Vick back into the league after lying to the commissioner’s face about his involvement in dog-gate.

    Rice has committed (as far as we know) one violent act that was caught on tape. Should he be suspended? Yes.

    For life? If so, then the NFL is telling its players that they can be forgiven for behavior that kills a person, but not for domestic violence (even if that doesn’t kill or severely injure).

    Finally, here’s a little more food for thought: can we get the victim’s perspective here? Not that this will justify Rice’s behavior, but to find out whether or not he’s a serial abuser. That might help shed some perspective.

  36. “The video becomes indelible and undeniable; if video had existed of Mike Vick drowning or electrocuting dogs, for example, it would have been hard for the NFL to give Vick a second chance.”
    ———————————–
    Why? Are the dogs any less dead because there’s no videotape of them getting killed? Were Vick’s actions any less heinous because they weren’t caught on tape? Lack of visual documentation does not determine the egregiousness of an incident; the incident itself makes that determination. Rice’s actions were horrific on their own merit; we don’t need a video to validate that. Statements like the above serve to do nothing but explain how so much time is spent on idiotic issues like a team’s longstanding nickname as opposed to covering the topics that actually matter. Just as the NFL could have gotten a copy of that video & pursued this matter with the vigor it deserves, so could any number of other media outlets. Instead, too many in the media choose to chase fabricated controversies of their own creation. Amazing.

  37. Flo, two things. Distractions have been an NFL bug-a-boo for the past 10-15 yrs,,,where u been?
    The Sun Sentinel had a good article this morning listing at least 15 prior Dolphin players who committed battery against their spouses or live in girlfriends,,,the NFL did nothing.
    Lastly, if a gay player knocks out his boyfriend in a Los Vegas hotel elevator and is charged with battery on a spouse, will the NFL suspend that gay player? I say NO. Talk about distractions,,,,,,

  38. Doesn’t matter what the football watching public thinks, it matters what the sponsors who sell to a more female more general public audience think. Mr. Rice is out because the NFL’s brand can’t take this kind of damage with the sponsors and with the general public that the sponsors sell things to. And no CFL for him either. Criminals are inadmissible to Canada without a waiver. There’s just no way any elected politician anywhere is letting that happen…..

  39. politicallyincorrect says:
    Sep 9, 2014 10:22 AM

    I don’t believe he should get a 2nd chance… and I believe we have the right to cast stones (I think we should not spend one nickel on certain criminals.. no rehap.. no free housing… why spend any resource on a murderer or rapist?).. this is not that but I take exception to your views..
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    I agree with you 100% but he is not a murderer (some have beaten the system and still are gainfully employed by main stream media), and there are many NFL players that have been accused or have admitted having outside relationships with other women that are still playing in the NFL and you have many players that have used and continue to use illegal drugs or have been convicted of DWI.

    As far as I know, this is Rice’s first brush with the law. Don’t get me wrong, what he did was wrong and against all the principles I stand for but everyone needs a second chance. How about Bill Clinton, Justin Bieber, tons of movie stars, politicians and yes, even Catholic priests who get away with breaking the law??? Are they better than Ray Rice? Are they on a higher standing than him? Yes, he punched his then girlfriend.

  40. People crying alligator tears over Rice’s “right to a career” truly puzzle me. Ray Rice has the right to have a career, it doesnt mean he has the right to play in the NFL just because he wants to. I am almost positive he has plenty of other highly employable skills that will land him a decent gig in the service industry and I wish him the best of luck in his future endeavors and hope he gets treatment fixing whatever seems to be malfunctioning with him.

  41. Shame on the NFL for mishandling this whole situation and a bigger shame should cast upon them if Ray Rice does not get a second chance. I have never laid a finger on a woman and never will but I am starting to sympathize for the guy. can the man not get an opportunity to rectify his behaviour and attitude towards woman ?! And I am sure this is his first offence of such ! Give the man a chance and all that he is going through makes it a tougher situation for his wife !

  42. So it goes from a 2 game suspension to cut from the team and banned for life? Holy overreaction, Batman. Neither extreme seems appropriate. Not defending what he did at all but that’s just wack.

  43. I in NO WAY condone what he did. But I have a legal question for Florio. If the justice system reviews all the videos and makes a determination for pre trial intervention, presumably because the guy has no history of priors, do you think it appropriate that the NFL uses him as a sacrificial lamb? The guy is a college grad who did a ton of community service. He’s never had anything in his background to suggest that this is serial behavior. Isn’t that the reason the states atty let him have pretrial intervention? I’m not at all suggesting he pay no penalty. But he was essentially given an NFL death sentence for a crime for which the justice system says did not merit trial.

  44. At some point he should be re-instated. However, I don’t think any team will ever sign him. I certainly hope that no matter how bad my team needed a RB, they would never sign him, but if some owner decided they were willing to take all the criticism that would come with it, they should have that right.

    A season long ban seems appropriate. A lifetime ban would not be fair since as has been mentioned in other posts, there are several other players that have been convicted of DV playing now. The only difference being a videotape.

    That being said, I would hope no team ever signs him (or any other player who commits this type of crime).

  45. Hypocrisy! Hypocrisy! They let people back into the league who have KILLED people, reference Stalworth and upcoming Brent. This is a horrible thing, but no one was killed.

  46. no second chance for ray the wife beater. if everyone deserves a second chance theni guess aaron hernandez deserves a second chance to . vick didn’t deserve a second chance either. shame on the eagles and jets for signing him. but when your a loser franchise who’s very desperate to become relevant again, you’ll hire anyone who can make plays no matter what hes done.

  47. I’ve said Vick deserves a second chance, and I believe that’s true of Ray Rice as well. He needs to seek counseling to help with his anger, but if he can overcome his issues, he should be given the opportunity to play again.

  48. Seeing a heinous crime committed versus just knowing it was done is a difference. Public outrage demanded a new punishment. The Ravens were correct. Witnessing an act is always more powerful. I don’t understand the folks here who don’t get it.

  49. Here’s the difference…
    When you earn $40 million, you are held to a higher standard (as it should be).
    I earn less than 100K, and if I verbally assault somebody at work I can lose my job forever.

    And I can’t believe some people are saying the punishment is too severe because he didn’t kill somebody. Let’s see if you’d have the same response if that was a relative who was licking the elevator floor.

  50. Its over for Rice, this isn’t a Chris Brown situation even though its equally horrific. The outrage will never ease up enough for him to play again. Brown had fans blaming Ri for her beating.

  51. skinsdiehard says:
    Sep 9, 2014 11:27 AM
    Seeing a heinous crime committed versus just knowing it was done is a difference. Public outrage demanded a new punishment. The Ravens were correct. Witnessing an act is always more powerful. I don’t understand the folks here who don’t get it.
    ———————————-
    What? Are you really trying to sell the point that the only reason this crime demands greater punishment is because it was seen publicly? Just because the greater punishment did not occur prior to the video being seen by the general populace does not make it right. Even Goodell himself admitted that point. Public outrage does not determine punishment; justice determines punishment. Anyone with any true sense of right and wrong cannot possibly believe that a crime committed outside of the range of cameras is automatically less egregious than the same act committed within view simply because the optics of the latter may be “more powerful.” Fortunately, the law is built on logic and reason, not emotion.

  52. You found a way to shoehorn Hernandez into every personnel decision the Pats made for a year, saying they had to be careful not to draft anyone with any signs of behavioral issues, but now you suggest they’re the only team that would consider Rice? If there’s one team I would bet against him playing for it’s New England.

  53. I’m all for second chances, everyone screws up at some point in their lives. I just don’t believe he should get a second chance in the NFL. I didn’t think M. Vick, or the others who have killed people should have either. Playing in the NFL is a privilege, not a right of passage. He can certainly get a second chance on life, get some counseling and then go get a job like the rest of us. Maybe flipping burgers or selling cars will put things in perspective for him. The NFL is starting to come down on these guys and Ray’s case has fueled the fire. It’s about time. Too often some of these athletes think they are above the law and feel like they’re entitled because of their celebrity status. Maybe after making millions and having everything handed to them a little manual labor is in order.

  54. Lots of talk on here about a lifetime ban. The only problem is that the NFL has never stated “life-time ban”. He’s been suspended indefinately. That is not a life-time ban. The NFL has left itself plenty of wiggle room. I can only guess that they’d love Ray Rice to say and do all the right things and come back stronger than before. The NFL can not and will not pass up a good redemption story. I sometime wonder which is more real: the NFL or WWE?

  55. I hope Janay survives this. And I do mean survive, as in keeps breathing.

    Because abusers always find a way to blame their victim for any and all stresses or misfortunes, or set backs or even mild annoyances and beat the snot out of them for it.

    Jany will be blamed and she will be badly beaten.

  56. For real…

    He should sue the NFL and the Ravens. The NFL are not following their own policies with the just enacted domestic violence policy aka The Ray Rice rule.

    Its states:
    1st time = 6 games
    2nd time = Possible ban

    Technically, he was caught once, therefore, he should be suspended the 6 games…that’s where he has grounds for suing. The Ravens have basically terminate his contract and The NFL suspended him indefinitely going against what their policy now states regarding domestic violence, which in turn has basically ban him (because realistically no team is going to touch him, because it’s going to cause a major distraction).

  57. bluntsmokinskinsfan says:

    He’s gonna sue and get reinstated. His punishment was already handed down. Can’t go back and change it. The nfl knew a punch was thrown in the elevator. Why else would the wife be knocked out? Now that the video has leaked people want to act outraged. She clearly hits him in the face before they get on the elevator. Where’s the outrage on that? Oh it’s a double standard…. Ok. Alcohol was involved, mistakes were made, move on
    _____________________________________
    Agreed….
    And she supposedly spit on him too, which BTW is totally DISRESPECTFUL.

    And I know some NFL fans like the meaning of words, ie REDSKIN

    Spitting upon another person, especially onto the face, is a universal sign of anger, hatred, disrespect or contempt.

  58. Donte Stallworth killed someone while driving drunk – back in the league.

    Leanard Little killed someone while driving drunk – back in the league

    Michael Vick – killed and tortured animals for over a year – back in the league

    But Ray Rice should never ever see the field again because hitting a woman is much worse than killing a man. SMH…

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