Source: Footballs were properly checked before Colts-Patriots game

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With 11 of 12 footballs used by the Patriots in Sunday’s AFC title game reportedly underinflated by two pounds per square inch, several questions remain.  And here are answers to a couple of them.

First, per a league source, the NFL has reviewed the entire process and determined that the balls were properly checked by the officials before the game.  Which means that, when the balls left the possession of the referee, the pressure was at least 12.5 PSI and no more than 13.5 PSI.

Second, as to the fact that the officials didn’t notice anything wrong with the balls while handling them after every play, the source explains that a pressure difference of one or two pounds would not be obvious, if the official is not specifically looking for it.

In this specific case, the NFL indeed became aware of the issue in the first half — as previously pointed out by Bob Glauber of Newsday.  Per the source, the league opted not to stop the game during the first half but to test the balls at halftime, which they did.

Which is when the NFL determined that 11 of the 12 balls were below two pounds below the mandatory minimum PSI of 12.5.

Plenty of other questions remains, but it appears that the NFL has determined that:  (1) the balls were properly inspected before the game; and (2) there’s no reason to believe the officials should have noticed anything unusual.

259 responses to “Source: Footballs were properly checked before Colts-Patriots game

  1. I don’t think the officials noticing or not noticing is a major factor. Are the Officials professional QB’s? Do they typically practice throwing and catching drills?

    The difference might not be noticable to someone merely handling the ball, but the difference in grip during gameplay to a professional athelete can be dramatic.

  2. I gotta say, this is much more interesting than hearing about the pro bowl “stories” that usually come around this time of year.

  3. If you think the officials would notice ANYTHING, you are delusional. They don’t notice blatant penalties so why something like the inflation of the footballs.

  4. So the culpability is solely with the league and the refs then?

    It doesn’t matter if they didn’t “feel” low it’s their responsibility to check them and since there was nothing noticeable then there shouldn’t be an issue.

    How could you possibly prove that the Patriots did something wrong? Maybe their equipment isn’t calibrated correctly…who knows who cares?

  5. Volume being constant, (along with n and R) the change in pressure is proportional to the change in temp, so P2=P1(T2/T1). A 12.5 psi ball at 70F would be roughly 8.9 psi at 50f. Will the league replicate the pre-game process and conditions?

  6. I’m a Pats fan but I hope they lay down the hammer. I don’t even care anymore. I’m completely sickened by this crap. Send everyone a message. No petty fines that are equivalent to those sent to Lynch for not talking. Take draft picks, heck kick us out of the Bowl. Have the Colts and Ravens play an emergency game. I can’t fathom why this team has to seek every competitive edge. We have had great teams. It’s all tarnished in the eyes of the public.

  7. The league keeps leaking wholly negative information about the Patriots. 11/12 football with low p.s.i., and now that they were property checked before the game. Are this leaking this because they are ticked and the want the Patriots to look bad, or are they making fan expectations horrendous such that when some degree of balancing information comes out (like even the 20 degree differential in temperature from where the were inflated versus on the field could cause a drop in p.s.i. that explains some of this) it could look much better than expected?

  8. it doesn’t really matter, the balls were checked at half time, and replaced, and the pats still scored 28 more points, had no issue on the out come,of the game, end of story.

  9. If the footballs were fine in advance of the game, but profoundly flawed after the game — that means someone got to the balls after the initial signoff.

    What the heck?

  10. Dumb question, after being checked do the ref’s hold on to the balls, or do they go to the sidelines of each team? If they do go to the sidelines, how hard can it be to just put in of those needle’s that you can buy at every sport store and deflate them on the side line? I’m sure every equipment manager has them.

  11. I knew Belichick and Brady were determined to prove that they could win without cheating, but apparently they were also willing to cheat to prove it – You can’t make this stuff up

  12. Conspiricy theorists and jokers alike just keep piling on here!!! Wait until the NFL says something about this before you go pouting and hating the Patriots!!! The only official word here is there’s nothing official yet to report!!!

  13. So, this is interesting, Mr. NFL: how exactly is your league crafting a narrative for young kids? What is the message? Please let me know so I can explain to my son how such cheating is managed; what is the risk and reward balance here. I want to make sure he chooses to cheat at the right times. All I can say, is “Grow up NFL.”

  14. If Belicheat went to the trouble of deflating balls after the inspection it was to help his team regardless if you or I see a benefit or not….time the league came down hard on him, he needs to be suspended no less than 6 weeks beginning next yr, team fine of 2 million dollars, loss of first and second round picks this yr and first and third round picks the following yr. along with a warning of any other infractions would result in Belicheat being kicked out the league, after 5 yrs he can apply for reinstatement……

  15. Indoor-to-outdoor Temperature Variation. Significant differences between the conditions tire pressures are set (the warmth of an attached garage, heated garage or service shop) and in which the vehicle will be driven (winter’s subfreezing temperatures) requires inflating tires 1 psi higher than recommended on the placard for every 10° F difference in temperature between interior and exterior temperatures.

    THE SAME APPLIES TO FOOTBALLS

  16. For all of Belichick’s “genius”, he’s an idiot in this case.

    Why?…..because its like cheating on an exam to get an A+ instead of an A-.

    So he risks getting caught and being a repeat offender/cheater for basically nothing.

    Nice job.

  17. You wonder why Tom Brady the greatest professional QB (per Pats fans) and a man who has been handling footballs almost all his life did not even notice the footballs were tampered with. Or, more likely, he knew the balls would be deflated and just lied to everyone as he wants every little advantage!
    I also wonder how many cheats the Pats have done where they were not caught.
    I put Brady and Bilichick in the same class with Kentucky’s Calapari (who’s teams had 2 final four appearances vacated) as amoral cheats who have become quite rich by thinking they are above the rules.

  18. As someone with experience in qa/qc, it makes me ask what is “properly checked”? Are they weighed, and is the pressure measured? With what equipment – is the equipment properly calibrated, is the person doing the testing familiar with the use of the equipment, etc.? Could they be inflated with nitrogen instead of air – and would anyone know? How were they checked at halftime – same methods? Were they allowed to warm to room temperature?

    Just saying they were properly checked isn’t enough – that could just mean someone looked at them. It also doesn’t mean that the Patriots didn’t alter them. And while it may have not made a difference in the game, why do it (if they did), if it wouldn’t make a difference? You don’t break the rules if you don’t perceive it to give you an advantage.

  19. I wonder what Sean Payton thinks as he watches this unfold and recalls the entire year off he got for “being aware” of player bounties.
    One would think (and hope) the league would take attempts to gain an unfair competitive advantage much more seriously.

  20. Its actually comical listening to people who know nothing try to explain everything! Sadly it is the mainstream media guilty of this the most. Then the average stooge will regurgitate what they hear, and we all suffer. This is fueling the Pats!!

  21. As we approach the Cheater Bowl ,between the two biggest cheats in NFL history .The footballs need to be handled by the NFL. It rains all the time in Seattle and I wouldn’t be surprised to find the exact same thing going on in Seattle to help little Russle to grip the ball. This little “trick” might be common knowledge among cheating organizations.

  22. I have a pretty easy solution, use the same friggin ball, solves everything. Teams shouldn’t be allowed to do anything to the balls.

  23. Ok so hand the Pats there slap on the wrist 25K fine and lets move on. This is blown way out of proportion. It’s clear the Patriots violated a rule, a very minor one.

  24. and then they used ‘correct’ balls and TB and Co. lit ’em up 28-0 in the second half!!

    when rodgers admitted sneaking improperly inflated balls into games nobody batted an eyelash…when the best team in history does it?? Jealousy everywhere!!!

    I love it!!

    Go PATS!!

  25. To your point, if they inspected them AT HALF TIME and noticed they were low, that means they were low in the first half. Did they then adjust the pressure so they were back in-specs before the 3rd quarter got started?

    If so, did they then also re-inspect them AFTER the game was over to check the pressure again?

    They should have done that with both the Pats and Colts balls in order to do a fair and even comparison.

    Even if the balls were off in the first half, if they noticed and fixed this at half time, and no further deflation occured, that means the 2nd half slaughter happened with balls that were in spec.

  26. Sounds like an excuse my kid would use. I know I got cheating on my test, but I got an A, so it doesn’t really matter. I still would have passed.

  27. If Goodell tells me that the footballs were properly checked, I totally believe him. That guy is the beacon of integrity. :/

  28. Did they test the Colts footballs to see if there was a similar deflation? That would go a long way to proving whether there was tampering or not in light of a lack of video or eyewitness evidence.

  29. If they checked the balls at halftime does that mean they fixed/replaced the balls at that time? If so, the Pats went on a 28-0 run in the second half compared to a 17-7 first. If the balls had any effect on their play it was actually worse. Still so many questions.

  30. I hope that the NFL comes down really hard on the Patriots as a team and personally on Kraft, Belichick and Brady.

  31. Why can’t people just be reasonable and admit that whether it had an effect on the outcome of the game, cheating is cheating. Thats it. Its not ‘A rule is a rule unless it affects who won’.

  32. To your point, if they inspected them AT HALF TIME and noticed they were low, that means they were low in the first half. Did they then adjust the pressure so they were back in-specs before the 3rd quarter got started?

    If so, did they then also re-inspect them AFTER the game was over to check the pressure again?

    They should have done that with both the Pats and Colts balls in order to do a fair and even comparison.

    Even if the balls were off in the first half, if they noticed and fixed this at half time, and no further deflation occurred, that means the 2nd half slaughter happened with balls that were in spec.

  33. Hate Us Because You Are Not Us.

    I am laughing at the time and energy the “Lost Fans” will continue to spin about deflated footballs. The Patriots could have had bags of sand and still blown out the Dolts.

    NFLN 24/7 Patriots/ Seattle coverage.

    Keep posting on PFT and get ready and excited for the Pro Bowl draft ( like who cares when you have Andy Dalton as a QB)

    We Are Onto Seattle !!

  34. The theory that the New England balls were inflated with hot air to achieve the desired lighter weight is intriguing and seems plausible. It would certainly explain how this went unnoticed prior to the game. Fans are left with the dubious hope that the NFL will conduct a proper investigation and be forthright in presenting its findings. Spygate does not illegitimize the Patriots three championships. But the destruction of the evidence will forever leave us wondering the degree to which the Patriots achieved an unfair advantage. It would suit the NFL and the Patriots to not repeat past mistakes during this investigation. But I won’t hold my breath.

  35. THE SAME APPLIES TO FOOTBALLS

    Amazingly it applies to Patriot footballs, but not Colt footballs.

    Science!

  36. So a DB who rarely touches the ball during a game notices right away that the ball is much softer and easier to handle. But the ref that handles the ball on every play doesn’t notice a difference?

    Bull. 2 psi in football is a lot. Thats why a db can notice it so quickly.

  37. Who is this source?

    They would feel like every game ball given the PSI difference the weather causes, which is proven.

    Looks like the Patriots filled them to the absolute minimum and the weather did the rest.

    Case closed

  38. madmax80 says: Jan 21, 2015 11:34 AM

    I don’t think the officials noticing or not noticing is a major factor. Are the Officials professional QB’s? Do they typically practice throwing and catching drills?

    The difference might not be noticable to someone merely handling the ball, but the difference in grip during gameplay to a professional athelete can be dramatic.——————-
    Are you a professional QB? How do you quantify that statement? Oh right, you don’t need to.

  39. uwisheuwereapatsfan2 says:
    Jan 21, 2015 11:44 AM
    and then they used ‘correct’ balls and TB and Co. lit ‘em up 28-0 in the second half!!

    when rodgers admitted sneaking improperly inflated balls into games nobody batted an eyelash…when the best team in history does it?? Jealousy everywhere!!!

    I love it!!

    Go PATS!!
    _____________________
    Read up on a couple of stories on how this went down.
    There might even be a few on this website.

  40. What a disgrace. This really makes you wonder: (1) How many games did the Patriots cheat by deflating balls this season? and (2) What else might they be doing to “gain an edge” by cheating opponents?

    Everyone is so focused on one game against the Colts, but the reality is that it’s hard to believe this was the first and only time they’ve done it — it’s just the first time they’ve been caught doing it.

  41. All these guys saying “45-7” miss the mark. Once it’s been established that a term has violated the code, they should be out.

    Cheaters shouldn’t be NFL Champions. Cheaters shouldn’t be embracing Lombardis. Cheaters should be eliminated at the point they’ve been caught cheating.

    Think about this: the Patriots, themselves, were the inspiration for the NFL to mandate rules against filming. That didn’t stop the Patriots. Not at all. The Patriots continued on unfettered. It’s proven. Game tapes for years were BURNED. Those years happened to involve several Super Bowl “Championships,” the kind of lore that makes NFL history. Ick.

    And now they’ve been caught scumming it up again KNOWING full well how illegal it is.

    How many other trangressions have they gotten away with — doing things “the Patriot Way”???

  42. “When Eli Manning drops back to throw his first pass Sunday against the Dallas Cowboys, the football in his hands will be as familiar as an old friend. That is because the ball has been scoured, scrubbed, soaked and seasoned, a breaking-in process that takes months and ensures that every ball used by the Giants in a game will meet Manning’s exact preferences. The leather will have been softened, the grip enhanced and the overall feel painstakingly assessed.

    There are no new balls thrown around in an N.F.L. game. A new ball, despised for its sheen and waxy gloss, is as popular as a late hit. For every N.F.L. game, each team has 12 to 20 balls that it has meticulously groomed and prepared according to the needs of its starting quarterback. The balls, brushed and primed using various obvious and semisecret techniques, bear the team logo and are switched out from sideline to sideline depending on which team is on offense.”

    “Eli Manning’s Footballs Are Months in the Making,” NY Times, November 23, 2013

  43. Wonder why the (ESPN) media talking heads continue to assert New England is a franchise that is ‘run the Right Way.’ There was New Orleans’ Bounty Gate, but aside from that, NE owns three or four of the last four or five nfl ‘controversies’ — depending on how you characterize the Aaron Hernandez ‘thing.’

    And if you ask me, I gotta believe that if the Pats were CAUGHT in three incidents of ‘unethical competitive balance’ issues, they surely have been engaged in more that have yet to be detected.

    Nasty business. The League has quite a task. Throwing bricks at player malfeasance, but appearing weak against coaches/franchises should not be accepted. The fandom is going to keep watching football regardless, but I’m not going to be satisfied without a Bountygate-like set of stiff penalties against coaching, and a forfeiture of significant draft picks. Truly, though, I’d wish for a forfeiture of the game just played. Anything less is not real justice. And this will be the first Super Bowl in my 47 years that I just won’t watch.

  44. If the balls were checked at halftime, and found to be low, did they correct the problem for the second half? And if they checked them at halftime, why did they take a ball out of play at the start of the second half? Also, if it were corrected, the Pats outscored Indy 28-0 in the second half. In addition, did they check the balls on Monday, or Tuesday? So many questions with no answers.

  45. It did not affect the outcome of the game as the score was a blowout, but the nfl has to come down hard here…….just because this is a second offense and the integrity of the league is under fire. It will come down to this. bellicheck is either suspended for the sb (one game ) or for all of the season next yr. pick one bill. you are getting one of those punishments.

  46. This missing point is what did the NFL do once they realized it? The story does not say, as one of the comments states, that the NFL did anything.

    We know that at half-time the Patrtiots led 17 – 7. Then the balls were checked and found underinflated. What happened next? Did the NFL repair or leave alone? Cause the Patriots went off in the 2nd half. I want to know what action the NFL took at half time? Could they really of not acted and look like stooges?

    Regardless, the damage is done to the Patriots image – again. The NFL may just be piling it on because they did not act. I am guessing that know definitive evidence that any member of the coaching staff or management will be found.

  47. Patriots keep shaving and skirting known, well established rules. Patriots fans call everyone who points this out a hater, troll, whiner. Fact–you keep doing it, most of our teams do not. That’s not whining or trolling girls, that is a fact. If it makes NO DIFFERENCE whatsoever, why then risk the embarrassment, shame, ridicule to do it??? Ever think about that? Just as in the taping, this is cut and dry–its a known, clear rule–no matter how those who keep getting caught try and spin it. I am sure the coaches involved have some plan to avoid responsibility, but still…you got caught, again. My judgments and words don’t say as much as the repeated actions of this franchise. signed, hater, troll, whiner.

  48. Repeat offenders. The just can’t help themselves. No need for this. They did not need to do this to win but they did as repeat offenders they must be fined, lose draft picks and anyone that can be proven to be involved should be banned. The league must send a horrible precident that anyone who willfully cheats and is caught multiple times, regardless of how trivial, will be treated harshly. If they can take $36 mill off the cap for the Redskins for violating a non existant salary capped year then the Patriots must be crushed.

  49. Loving these pats fans that just fall in line with cheating and people who don’t like it are haters. Pats have been cheating so much the fan base feels it’s just the patriot way.

  50. Volume being constant, (along with n and R) the change in pressure is proportional to the change in temp, so P2=P1(T2/T1). A 12.5 psi ball at 70F would be roughly 8.9 psi at 50f. Will the league replicate the pre-game process and conditions?
    ——-
    Ideal Gas Law uses pascals for pressure, and the kelvin scale for temperature. Converting the values to the appropriate scales:

    P1 = 12.5 psi = 86,184.46 pascal
    T1 = 70F = 294.26 kelvins
    T2 = 50F = 283.15 kelvins

    Plug those in, P2 comes out to be 82,930.51 pascal, or 12.03 psi.

  51. DEFLATING BALLS, HUH…Someone needs to deflate some of that PSI from Belicheats…..It’s obvious he doesn’t respect the commish, other coaches, teams, players, or RULES!!!

  52. Gillette lights were also discovered to have a lumen higher than allowed thus causing Colts defenders to let Patriot players slip through their grasp.

    Listen, I’m a pats fan and if INTENT is proven, fine, throw the book at them but this all seems a little petty right now.

    There are many unspoken rules in professional sports and based on brad johnsons quotes, Eli’s ball prep, Rodgers, etc this seems like one of them.

    BB isn’t likable outside the locker room and that’s 95% of the issue.

    Ask yourself, when teams have their ground crews soak the field before playing a ‘fast’ team is that cheating?

    If this year has proven anything to ALL fans, it’ that the NFL stinks at doing anything thoroughly and consistently, on and off the field. It’so been a train wreck year for the brass.

    I don’t expect anything differently in this Inflategate.

  53. None of this makes sense….if they were noticed and checked you would assume they’d fix the ones found to be deflated. If they were fixed and the Pat’s went on to actually play much better without the deflated balls what are we talking about?

    Maybe the NFL deflated the balls so the Colts could say in the game?

    Nothing seems to point an advantage gained. The more we find out the less it makes sense that the Pat’s would have deflated them….they outscored them 28-0 with the proper balls and 17-7 without them.

    If they deflated them on purpose they deserve punishment simply for trying to skirt the rules but I’m sorry if I don’t agree with some of the suggested punishments considering it doesn’t seem like they gained any advantage AND much evidence is being brought to light showing that it isn’t just the Patriots.

  54. I think the rule in a football argument should be, whichever side needs to use multiple equations per-comment to make their case is automatically wrong/

  55. I’m seriously wondering about the quality of the officials. That’s being underinflated by 10%. And these guys handle footballs for a living. You’d think on any change of possession it’d be pretty apparent that the balls didn’t feel quite the same.

    And if it isn’t obvious unless you’re looking for it, how come the Colt player immediately picked up on it following the interception? Must have been a million other things on his mind at that moment yet he correctly noticed something was off.

  56. Wow, not looking good for the Chea tri ots. They tampered with the footballs after official inspection. Funny how so many talking headings trying to explain it’s a “science thing.” Hysterical.

  57. The theory that the New England balls were inflated with hot air to achieve the desired lighter weight is intriguing and seems plausible.
    ===

    Not weight – pressure. But other than that, it’s a very interesting theory. Blow up the balls with hot air and then give them to the officials. By the time you walk them over there, and they get tested, the air inside will still be warmer than the room by 10 or 20 F. That would allow you to get the same apparent gauge pressure but with fewer moles of gas. Once that more sparse gas cools (and it has farther to cool), the pressure will be lower.

    The only problem with it is that to get a 2 PSI drop purely due to temperature in a football, you’d have to put in really, really hot (150F) air. I’m betting the official would notice the burns you’d give him if you handed him that football. He might also wonder why you’re wearing oven mitts.

  58. Second, as to the fact that the officials didn’t notice anything wrong with the balls while handling them after every play, the source explains that a pressure difference of one or two pounds would not be obvious, if the official is not specifically looking for it.
    ___________________________________
    I’m sorry but 2 PSI is not a minor amount and anyone who has played football at the collegiate level knows that it makes a big difference.

  59. To prove his balls aren’t deflated, Bellichick is gonna try to get away with his biggest cheat ever in the Super Bowl.

  60. Seems like a mountain out of a molehill. Basically going 39MPH when the speed limit is 35MPH. Admit guilt with a “no contest” plea as clearly the pitchforks and lynch mob are out for blood no matter what really happened. Pay the fine and lets see what a very angry Pats team looks like in the Superbowl.

  61. The score doesn’t matter unless there is a rule that states you are allowed to cheat, as long as you win by a sufficient amount. If they would have won anyway, then what was the point of cheating? If a kid sneaks into classroom to find a copy of the upcoming test and the answers, it doesn’t matter if he discovers that he knew most of the answers and would have easily passed the test anyway. If he gets caught, he is going to be in trouble no matter how easy the test was. Especially if he has been known to cheat in tbe past. The Patriots created an unfair advantage for themselves. Was that advantage the only reason they won? No, but that doesn’t matter. Whether they won by 1 point or 55 points, the punishment should be the same.

    As for the refs not saying anything, it is possible that they didn’t notice because they weren’t handling the ball the same way or quarterback would. It is possible that they just decided not to say anything. It’s not like shady things haven’t already occurred in the playoff games.

  62. If the officials knew the balls were deflated at half time, did they pump them back up to the appropriate PSI for the second half of the game?

  63. lawrinson20 says:
    Jan 21, 2015 11:51 AM
    Wonder why the (ESPN) media talking heads continue to assert New England is a franchise that is ‘run the Right Way.’ There was New Orleans’ Bounty Gate, but aside from that, NE owns three or four of the last four or five nfl ‘controversies’ — depending on how you characterize the Aaron Hernandez ‘thing.’

    And if you ask me, I gotta believe that if the Pats were CAUGHT in three incidents of ‘unethical competitive balance’ issues, they surely have been engaged in more that have yet to be detected.

    Nasty business. The League has quite a task. Throwing bricks at player malfeasance, but appearing weak against coaches/franchises should not be accepted. The fandom is going to keep watching football regardless, but I’m not going to be satisfied without a Bountygate-like set of stiff penalties against coaching, and a forfeiture of significant draft picks. Truly, though, I’d wish for a forfeiture of the game just played. Anything less is not real justice. And this will be the first Super Bowl in my 47 years that I just won’t watch.
    ………………..
    Please fill me on the other 3 or 4 NFL controversies that were about the Pats, enlighten me?

    The fact that you name Hernandez as one is a bit sad. But even counting that as one, name others?

    Seems it was proven simply that Harbaugh complainedabout ineligible/eligible receiver stuff was a bunch of whiny crap spewed from his mouth. Unfortunately, the public eye still sees that as “cheating” and probably didn’t even follow through on the story that nothing came of it.

  64. How does an official check if a ball is deflated / over-inflated during a game? Compare is with another ball. There was a 10 out of 11 chance that the ball in hand would feel like the others.

    Punishment? Would the other NFL teams not in the playoffs feel punished if they lost some draft picks and had a suspended coach but won the Superbowl? The only reasonable punishment would be to disqualify the Patriots win and give the win to the Colts, putting the Colts in the Superbowl.

  65. So did the NFL neglect to test the 12 Colts balls? Just like they neglected to get the Ray Rice tape. I mean, why would checking those 12 balls matter, right?

    ..and yeah, Mark Cuban was right.

  66. Seriously??? SOURCE??? Who’s that , the NFL’s guy in charge of the investigation?

    The Patriots are gonna get massacred… because when it comes down to who screwed up … the league (the Refs) , the process (the league) or the Patriots…(they knowingly cheated and they have a history of doing it)

    We know how this is going to end! (CYA)

  67. Belichek should be suspended from the NFL indefinitely(minimum 1 year) effective immediately, the Patriots should lose ALL 2015 draft picks and fined $1 million.

  68. Average people drive around with underinflated tire and never notice. A NASCAR driver will will sense, and pit to correct, a difference of a pound or two to remain competitive. Those tires are probably at the 30psi range so percentage wise, a football would act WAY different to a pro if it was 2psi off.

  69. oh and for you conspiracy people out there

    the doctor who red the MRI’s of Sherman and the other dback was trained in Boston, they have no injury, they’re perfect.

    run with it, don’t check it

  70. 1) Obviously the Refs in this game didn’t get their “compensation” & addressed it because they needed to make clear to all organizations that getting away with cheating requires the refs to get PAID first.

    2) It raises the question about how frequently & for how long New England balls have been tampered with? Addressing it this time doesn’t mean officials ignored it countless other times.

    3) (To those who habitually defend Belichick & Brady cheating) The Final results of this game doesn’t alter the fact that cheating occurred. If it wasn’t needed, then why do it?! Unless, it was part of the team’s Standard Operating Procedures, reflective of their “normal” pre-game activities?! In that case, a game plan or optimism about their chances against any given team are irrelevant…the CHEATING occurs anyway.

    4) The absolute LEAST NFL response should include suspending Brady from the Super Bowl & 3 more games next season (4 games total), because there is no doubt that he was the culprit of the ball being changed to his liking. And Belichick needs to be suspended for the SB + 1 year, for this now being his 2nd offense!!!

    CHEATERS, CHEATERS, CHEATERS!!

  71. The NFL is starting to have a big credibility issue. The Patriots should lose all their 2015 draft picks. I bet that would stop Belicheat’s shenanigans in their tracks.

  72. Are the team balls marked after inspection by the referee? The kicking balls are. What about the rest? Were the balls switched? How would anyone know?

    Filling them with hot air before inspection could cause them to lose pressure faster than an already adjusted to weather ball. Also, heating up an underinflated ball would cause the pressure to increase just before inspection, only to fall back to the lower pressure once adjusted to outside temp.

    Obviously there is some intent on somebody’s behalf to gain an advantage. The act or result may have been within the rules but conducted to be deceptive.

    The balls will now have to be more controlled and guarded before and during the game.

  73. Folks, as much as we hate these guys let’s use our brains here. If the balls were properly weighed, the most likely truth to this is the cold weather. It’s a known fact balls deflate under 32 degrees, much more rapidly. Also the fact they were being used, could all be a huge misunderstanding

  74. Theres no doubt the Patriots cheated again so the League should come down especially hard and Kraft on top of the League… Belicheat and Brady should both be immediately terminated and sent to Pete Rose limbo…. Banned from league and Hall of Fame. The Patriots should be disqualified from the Super Bowl and Indy made AFC Champ. They should also lose all of their draft picks for the next two years and Kraft fined 10 million dollars. That would end the cheating and help to put some integrity back into the NFL…. Getting caught Cheating for the 2nd time should send clear message to those thinking about it.

  75. So much for the debate of “best of all time” as it relates to team, coach and QB of the Patriots. Brady laughed when asked about this after the game in an interview, yet the QB is the one who benefits the most from underinflated balls (and as others have pointed out, he was quoted a few years ago as saying he prefers underinflated balls).

    Montana, Manning, Elway, Bradshaw, your legacies are safe as you’re still in the debate as “best of all-time”!

  76. As for the refs not saying anything, it is possible that they didn’t notice because they weren’t handling the ball the same way or quarterback would.
    ===

    Ever watched the mechanics of spotting the ball? If a play ends near the sideline the LJ or HL will often catch a toss from a player before tossing it to the U or R depending on who’s nearest. The other of the U or R is marking the spot on the hash. The U or R that took the ball from the LJ or HL runs infield and tosses the ball to the spotting official. I’ve also seen the FJ/BJ/SJ get involved too, but that’s rarer.

  77. hairpie2 says: Jan 21, 2015 11:36 AM

    Volume being constant, (along with n and R) the change in pressure is proportional to the change in temp, so P2=P1(T2/T1). A 12.5 psi ball at 70F would be roughly 8.9 psi at 50f. Will the league replicate the pre-game process and conditions?
    ————————————————————-

    Problem is, you don’t have consistent units. You can’t use Fahrenheit temperature to calculate ideal gas law. In US units, you have to use Rankine, or else the units do not come out correctly when you look at PV=nRT because the units of R contain dimensionless temperature.

    So, doing your calculation in Rankine:

    P2 = P1(T2/T1) = 12.5psi *(510R/530R) = 12.03 psi.

  78. This is as easy as 1….2…..3…..

    1. Condoleezza Rice replaces Roger Goodell as NFL Commissioner.

    2. NFL Officials become full-time, get paid as full time and become responsible for their decisions….and the footballs.

    3. The Patriots suspend their Belichick, McDaniels, and especially Brady for a year…or they can retire.

    Go LIONS!

  79. dietrich43 says: Jan 21, 2015 11:42 AM

    As someone with experience in qa/qc, it makes me ask what is “properly checked”? Are they weighed, and is the pressure measured? With what equipment – is the equipment properly calibrated, is the person doing the testing familiar with the use of the equipment, etc.? Could they be inflated with nitrogen instead of air – and would anyone know? How were they checked at halftime – same methods? Were they allowed to warm to room temperature?

    Just saying they were properly checked isn’t enough – that could just mean someone looked at them. It also doesn’t mean that the Patriots didn’t alter them. And while it may have not made a difference in the game, why do it (if they did), if it wouldn’t make a difference? You don’t break the rules if you don’t perceive it to give you an advantage.
    ————

    Yes, I’m sure that the people doing the checking didn’t take any of the applicable parameters into consideration. You must be a genius since no one had figured this out before you said it!

  80. Several people in this forum have made some risible comments. For example, they claim that the Pats relative lack of fumbles this year is due to habitually deflating the ball. in this poster’s ignorance, he fails to note that of the Pat’s stable of running backs, one has a particular fumbling problem: Ridley. Ridley’s problem was so acute last year that he was benched in favor of Blount. I don’t suppose really being hurt and lost for the season would have any impact on the reduction of fumbles this year, would it? now let’s look at two factors that mitigate heavily against opposing the Pats cheated.
    1) Tom Brady is arguably the greatest inclement weather quarterback of this generation and perhaps of all times. His record in freezing temperature is incredible. Deflating the ball in freezing temperatures is just as helpful during temperatures and perceptive take in as it was in the AFC championship game. Tom almost always outplays his opponent when the weather turns foul. Why would anyone in the Pats organization suppose that NOW, 13 years after Brady’s been playing, they should suddenly start deflating balls for his benefit?
    2) The Pats were playing the Colts; a team they have completely dominated over the past three games. Moreover the Pats ran a heavy personnel package through most of the game (i.e., six offensive linemen in order to dominate the relatively light-weight DL of the Colts). So why would anyone in the past organization think that they needed to tempt fate (i.e., the refs handle the ball on each play) and take a chance at getting caught, when the game was almost certainly going to be wanted home against the Colts anyway.
    3) BB, or someone else in the organization, would have to believe that the ball boys, who are responsible for shuttling the balls into and out of the games, would not notice that the balls are deflated, and that they would keep their mouths shut. These are high school kids were talking about for the most part. They can’t even keep their mouths shut after they kiss a girl. Would anyone really believe that they could trust their ball boys to keep their mouths shut if they pulled something like this?
    Clearly, people who think the Pats did this on purpose are bereft of any analytical skills. You need to stop and ask yourself the more questions before you post silly things.

  81. ESPN Mike & Mike and an official on and he said all the balls were under inflated but 11 were >2lb psi below standard. They also said that Indy’s ball were correct before the game and at halftime. So if it was the weather than wouldnt the same effect happen to all the balls. Also the refs did blow them up at halftime to proper psi levels.

    The deflation has nothing to do with the final score of the game but it is about trying to cheat. This is not the first time an accusation is pointed toward the Patriots for some sort of cheating. It totally affects the spirit of the game.

    The question is what else has the Patriots have done to cheat? I think it is even beyond Belicheat.

    Got to love the Cheaters..err.. PAtriots way.

  82. Eliminate the human factor. We live in a Play-Station world run by by kids who blame losses on faulty controllers.

    God forbid you look in a mirror after getting smoked by 38 points.Forget the human factor of running,blocking and tackling. It had to be the ball inflation. That’s the excuse.

    Ridiculous. #Sorelosers

  83. Pats get away with defalted balls, Seahawks get away with Pass interefence and defensive holding. Which is worse?

  84. NFL to the Super Bowl refs: Do what you have to do but this league cannot let the Patriots be this year’s champions.

  85. #SuspendBill now. How many wins in his career are because of little things like this? Further, how can a self respecting football fan continue to support the Patriots?

  86. BTW.. this game was not won with the assist of deflated game balls.

    But history tells us the Bill and company bend rules.. looking for the edge. What other rules have they pushed?

    I wonder if Goodell will destroy the game balls and the testing records eventually… lol.

  87. Could they be inflated with nitrogen instead of air – and would anyone know?
    ===
    Nitrogen inflation wouldn’t matter. Both are ideal gases at this temperature and pure N2 would be only slightly (half a gram) lighter than air – which is nearly 3/4 nitrogen anyway.

  88. Looks up. sees bad math and spittle flying.

    Wow. QBs screw around with footballs. On every team. They all like them a certain (different) way. Scuffed, a little low or high on PSI. whaever/ Yes, air temp affects inflation PSI. But not 2 PSI. worth. A 75 degree drop in air temp will knock about 1.6 PSI out of a ball. There’s no reason to think Belichick even knew if Brady had someone knock down a little PSI.

    The lunacy, it’s disturbing, but what’s worse is that Goodell will overreact and be inconsistent and wreck the game some more. The league caught MIN and CAR heating up balls in November. No penalties.

  89. Belichick should be suspended for the Super Bowl and all of next year. The Pats should be fined the next five 1st round picks. The fact the Pats won easily is irrelevant. Belichick is a convicted cheat and obviously isn’t worried about the consequences. At what point does the NFL draw the line with them and protect the integrity of the game?

  90. Pretty easy science here. A 10 degree drop in temperature would reduce the pressure by 1lb. 70 degrees when checked… 51 at kick off… dropping into the 40’s…

    I’ll let you do the math.

  91. I still think that this story was planted by a very disgruntled member of a team who was knocked out by the Patriots. So the balls were switched out at half time. The Patriots punched the Colts in the mouth for the entire 3rd quarter,with properly inflated footballs. People are going to call them cheaters no matter what happens,so,”we’re on to Seattle”… GO PATS!!!

  92. Has it occured to anyone else that the balls were checked indoors and then taken outside into colder weather where the temperature automatically lowered the pressure in the balls probably 1 – 2 lbs.? The laws of physics dictate that. Two lbs. of air pressure do not give me a 30+ point advantage.

  93. Volume being constant, (along with n and R) the change in pressure is proportional to the change in temp, so P2=P1(T2/T1). A 12.5 psi ball at 70F would be roughly 8.9 psi at 50f. Will the league replicate the pre-game process and conditions?

    —–wrong

    did you use pascals and kelvin temp?

    a 20F drop in temp correlates to a 4% drop in pressure.

  94. Many of you are missing the broader point. The rules were broken and an unfair advantage was gained. It did not affect the outcome of this game much but it affected other games. It’s not much to think that losing 2 of the close games this season would have given a different team home field and a bye. Don’t give me this weather crap, the Bears and Vikings both played outside this year and haven’t had any issues with it. It is a decision to cheat from the top down with this classes group. The only reason little will be done is it is the only team in the NFL supported by a large region instead of a city/state meaning more cash for the greedy NFL. With $60 t shirts and $150 A Hernandez jerseys (o wait has in jail) Wolfork jerseys at stake and alot more superbowl gear to be sold who would you want in the big game? Godell will file this with the other Billicheat sins slap them with a small fine take a 4th round pick and sweep it under the rug. Meanwhile Barry Bonds wonders why he didn’t play football for Seattle? If you havent made the connection between this and Saban and Kniffin you are an idiot Pats fan who blindly loves your cheating team.

  95. This is such a joke, they have been deflating balls and cheating ALL season… Probably for years!!!!! This will get swept under the rug like always because Kraft and Roger are buddies.
    Shula is the smart one here!!!
    Patriots will always have an asterisk by wins

  96. So if it was the weather than wouldnt the same effect happen to all the balls.
    ===
    Right, but the NFL isn’t saying what Indy’s balls were, just that they were legal during pre game and halftime. The temperature-based pressure drop most people are coming up with is around .5 PSI. Indy’s balls could have started anywhere above 13.0 and been legal both during pre-game and half time. The question for the Pats is, “Where’d that other 1.5PSI drop come from?”

  97. The best part of this whole situation is how the Seahawks fans will react when the Patriots beat them.

    Just getting beat is one thing, but now they’ll be able to spend a decade gnashing their teeth and twisting their collective panties about how the Patriots shouldn’t have been in the Superbowl in the first place.

    It will be just like the Raiders fans and their beloved Tuck Rule.

  98. If the Patriots are to be found guilty of taking air out of the footballs after they were checked by the officials they will/should be punished.

    BUT, people are jumping the gun on pointing blame as Bill. It could have been Tom, it could have been Josh. It could have been a defaulty air pressure gauge (highly unlikely but still). Point is people should reserve judgement until the league finishes their investigation.

    Also, those expexting vacating wins, suspensions and/or people getting fired should brace themselves for serious disappointment. If found guilty the punishment will be a fine and MAYBE a lost draft pick. MAYBE!

    The reality is this is a bigger league issue than a singular Patriots issue. Look for the league to change how they handle the balls next year.

  99. The Patriots are such “cheaters”, they haven’t won a Super Bowl in 10 years. This story is so ridiculous. EVERY team does things that push the envelope to try to get an advantage…EVERY TEAM! Teams pumping in artificial crowd noise, baseball teams saturating the infield with water to slow down running teams…they ALL do it.

  100. So the chain of custody of the footballs by Patriot personnel is easy to figure out. The balls were checked prior to the game. The officials around half time were aware of the lack of air pressure. How are the Patriots cheating? Unless Bill Belichick paid someone to or told personnel with the Patriots to deflate the balls this whole issue of calling the Patriots or Belichick cheaters comes off as fans who are haters or sour losers.

  101. So 11 of the balls were tested at 1/2 time and found to be low on pressure. Did the officials require the balls to be re-inflated to the proper pressure for the 2nd 1/2 of the game?

    Assuming the balls were inflated properly for the 2nd 1/2 of the game, take away all the Patriots 1st 1/2 points and keep the 2nd 1/2 points.

    The Patriots still win — 28 to 7.

    If the officials did not require the balls to be properly inflated for the 2nd 1/2 then no one to blame but the NFL/officials.

  102. “————————————————————-

    Problem is, you don’t have consistent units. You can’t use Fahrenheit temperature to calculate ideal gas law. In US units, you have to use Rankine, or else the units do not come out correctly when you look at PV=nRT because the units of R contain dimensionless temperature.

    So, doing your calculation in Rankine:

    P2 = P1(T2/T1) = 12.5psi *(510R/530R) = 12.03 psi.”

    So by that logic I would assume that there would be no significant drop in pressure due to temperature, at least not as drastic as Mr. Hairpie suggested. Also, am I correct in assuming that the Gas Laws do not selectively affect balls used by one team, i.e. the 11 of 12 balls the Patriots used?

  103. Redacted comments:
    Several people in this forum have made some risible comments. For example, they claim that the Pats relative lack of fumbles this year is due to habitually deflating the ball. in this poster’s ignorance, he fails to note that of the Pat’s stable of running backs, one has a particular fumbling problem: Ridley. Ridley’s problem was so acute last year that he was benched in favor of Blount. I don’t suppose Ridley being hurt and lost for the season would have any impact on the reduction of fumbles this year, would it? Moreover, can you cite any empirical evidence that deflating a ball would lower the chances of a running back fumbling the ball? Deflating the ball helps the passing game, so far as anyone knows, it does not help in the running game. Now let’s look at two factors that mitigate heavily against supposing the Pats cheated.
    1) Tom Brady is arguably the greatest inclement-weather quarterback of this generation, and perhaps of all times. His record in freezing temperature is incredible. Deflating the ball in freezing temperatures is just as helpful during cold temperatures as it would be in rainy conditions. Tom almost always outplays his opponent when the weather turns foul. Why would anyone in the Pats organization suppose that NOW, 13 years after Brady’s been playing, they should suddenly start deflating balls for his benefit?
    2) The Pats were playing the Colts; a team they have completely dominated over the past three games. Moreover the Pats ran a heavy personnel package through most of the game (i.e., six offensive linemen in order to dominate the relatively light-weight DL of the Colts). So why would anyone in the past organization think that they needed to tempt fate (i.e., the refs handle the ball on each play) and take a chance at getting caught, when the game was almost certainly going to be won at home against the Colts anyway. Not too mention the game plan was very run-heavy to begin with.
    3) BB, or someone else in the organization, would have to believe that the ball boys, who are responsible for shuttling the balls into and out of the games, would not notice that the balls are deflated, and that they would keep their mouths shut. These are high school kids were talking about for the most part. They can’t even keep their mouths shut after they kiss a girl. Would anyone really believe that they could trust their ball boys to keep their mouths shut if they pulled something like this?
    Clearly, people who think the Pats did this on purpose are bereft of any analytical skills. You need to stop and ask yourself the more questions before you post silly things.

  104. If this charge is true the officials should have to squeeze all the Patriots’ balls before a game to make sure they are within limits.

  105. Bill Belichek has already come out and announced that he will spare no effort to find out who on the team screwed up, and left that one football fully inflated.

  106. It will be just like the Raiders fans and their beloved Tuck Rule.
    ====================================

    best post of the day

    losers complain, even after 14 years

    Championship*

    read the word

    it is so pathetically gunny reading the loseing team’s fans posts

    you would take belichick in a NY minute

  107. everyone DOES realize these balls were measured 2 days after the game….right ?
    ===
    Halftime of the game is two days after? I’ve seen that they measured at halftime. Did they put more air in at that point or not? If they did, they can’t have measured the balls two days later.

  108. “Second, as to the fact that the officials didn’t notice anything wrong with the balls while handling them after every play, the source explains that a pressure difference of one or two pounds would not be obvious, if the official is not specifically looking for it.”

    Jim Daopoulos disagrees with this source.

  109. seriously… lets throw some science at this (no pun intended).

    Glad to see people with the pressure – temperature equation. seriously…

    at what temp were they inflated BUT WHAT TEMP when refs CHECKED them, what temp at half time ?

    Heres is one… the pressure gage if by Nuclear Plants QC standards… are… 1. calibrated, 2. what is the accuracy of the gage, 3. what is the range of scale.. seriously..

    Ask pharmacutical companies on testing and calibration.. ISO 9001 or better yet ISO 17025 QC programs.

    If the gage are NOT calibrated, this is even less of an issue…

  110. Pats out scored Colts 28-0 in the second half with the footballs properly inflated. Ok Pats are the filthiest cheaters in the history of cheating and they cheat anyway they can. Blah blah, let’s get back to the actual game now.

  111. Just because the Pats did better in the second half, after the correction, doesn’t mean that cheating doesn’t matter. It just makes them punks for cheating when they didn’t have to. GO HAWKS!!

  112. To those blaming the freezing temps. You do realize that it was not cold let alone freezing? Kickoff temp was about 50 degrees. So warm that most players didn’t wear sleeves or cold gear. Find a new argument.

  113. If balls were diliberately deflated below regulation by the pats or anyone on their staff, then they are cheating. If that is found to have happened, then anyone who thinks this is the first time is a class A fool

  114. I believe a PFT article earlier said that the balls were inflated at 72 degrees, and then went out into the rain at 51 degrees. That’s enough to lower PSI, but I’m not sure by how much.

  115. It is a little-known fact, that technically speaking the Patriots never actually violated the letter of the law in Spygate. This is not my opinion, but comes from a series of three articles, which I will cite here: ‘The NFL is full of legal spy tactics, but sources say only the Patriots are known to have used illegal videotaping procedures.’ By Jeffri Chadiha, ESPN.com, Sept. 13th 2007; ‘After the big meeting, five things we learned about Spygate: The Patriots got their just desserts for stealing signals. But Matt Walsh, the media and even the Rams share responsibility for Spygate,’ By John Clayton, ESPN.com, May 13th 2008; ‘Seven years later, Spygate continues to haunt Roger Goodell,’ By Jon, Wertheim, Sep. 17, 2014

    1) BB thought it was perfectly legal to tape a teams signals, providing they were not used during that same game. That’s how the specific wording was in the rule book. Clayton reports that, ‘Goodell said he didn’t agree with Belichick’s position that the taping of coaches’ signals during games was legal. Goodell got an admission from Belichick that the Patriots taped signals since he took over as a head coach in 2000. Belichick thought he could tape signals as long as he didn’t use the information in the same game.’
    2) Because the Pats would only use the taping if they were going to see the team again that same year, they had virtually no film of any NFC team, or most AFC teams that they either did not meet that year, or they thought they would not see them again later in the year. Per Wertheim, who reported this. This means that their three SB wins are valid in terms of beating the teams on that day. Only the first SB, because they played the Rams earlier that year, could taping have had any impact, but it’s far from sure they would have taped them and kept the tape, not knowing that they would make it to the SB that year.
    3) The practice of stealing signals was ubiquitous in the NFL, although it was not done through videotaping primarily. Chadiha quote an NFL executive in this context, “There isn’t a team in the league that doesn’t try to steal signals [but] I haven’t heard about teams recording footage like the Patriots were…But you can bet everybody is trying to steal in some way. In fact, you can go to any NFL game and you’ll find some coach whose sole job is to look for defensive signals.”
    I think the facts as they were documented at the time establishes a great deal of hypocrisy of the fans of other franchises. The chances are pretty strong that your team was stealing signals too; they just weren’t doing it through videotaping. And Bill Belichick did not actually think he was cheating, according to the strict letter of the law. This might have some bearing on the present situation. Bill Belichick will take the letter of the law and push it right against the legal line, but he’s really not been documented as stepping over that line. A case in point is the recent Ravens game. The four-man formations were perfectly legal, but they also were unconventional and unused in the pro game until now. Considering that Bill Belichick doesn’t have a documented history of actually cheating in terms of the letter of the law, and deflating the balls to the degree they are claimed to have been deflated would be a violation of the letter of the law, I think it is very presumptuous to believe that he ordered this to be done. In fact, I think it’s highly unlikely that anyone in the organization in terms of the upper echelon would’ve thought this was a good idea. Perhaps some low-level functionary, or the ball boys, may have been involved, providing that atmospheric conditions are not to be blamed (again provided that the reports are true that 11 of 12 balls were found deflated). And today the Panthers punter reported that the same thing happened with the balls that he used to kick with in Charlotte, in almost nearly exactly the same weather conditions. He claims that the air pressure simply deflates out of the ball in this kind of weather. I can’t say that I know that’s true or false, but I think it’s worth considering.

  116. So to everyone saying ” It was cold outside, of course the pressure is going to decrease”

    You’re right.

    However using the ideal gas law…. PV=nRT where n, R and V is constant you get

    T2 = T1(P2/P2)

    Converting to all the correct units, assuming 72°F for initial temp (room temp-ish)

    It would have had to be a constant -14°F for the ball to be 2 PSI below 12.5

    Obviously this gets a little more complicated than just using the IGL but the math doesn’t really work.

  117. The 45-7 argument doesn’t hold water.

    If the Yankees used their own baseballs, which were more juiced than permissible, and won game 7 by the score of 10-1 off of 10 home runs….should we all just shrug our shoulders since the score was a blowout anyway?

    Nobody knows how the game would have unfolded if the Pats used conforming footballs. For all we know, Brady could have thrown a pick-6 on his first pass and the game could have taken a different path.

  118. To those blaming the freezing temps. You do realize that it was not cold let alone freezing? Kickoff temp was about 50 degrees. So warm that most players didn’t wear sleeves or cold gear. Find a new argument.
    ===
    Yet another person that doesn’t understand that it’s the temperature difference, not the absolute temperature. It doesn’t matter that it wasn’t cold. It matters that it was colder than inside the lockers. It was ~72F in the lockers and and 50F on the field. Dropping the temperature of a a football-sized blob of 12.5 PSI (a), 72 degree air to 50 F will give you a pressure drop of about .5 PSI. Dropping a football-sized blob of 27.2 PSI(a) air from 72 to 50 F will give you about a 1.1 PSI drop.

    I’m not sure wether gauge pressure or absolute pressure is more correct to use in this instance. It seems to me that the atmospheric element of absolute pressure would be nearly constant inside the warm locker and outside in the cold. I’m actually leaning towards absolute pressure being correct for doing gas law calculations, because absolute pressure gets the molar variable right.

  119. The balls were deflated after the refs checked them. So Patriots fans can’t use the Aaron Rodgers excuse either.

  120. Patriots steal plays by spying on the opposition sidelines. They deflate balls below allowed limits to improve ability to control the ball. They dig through the rule book and take advantage of little regulared rules regarding formations and designated receivers.

    What else is this team doing that isn’t being caught? I’d say a full investigation is required to look at everything this team does from equipment to food and water provided to the opposition. I wouldn’t put anything past these serial cheaters.

  121. They cheated this way not only because Brady can pass better but also to help eliminate fumbles.

    Patriots fumbles 2013 = 10

    Patriots fumbles 2014 = 1

  122. NFL investigations are more like CYA missions or Jedi MindTricks like Eddie Murphy used on Mr. T in Raw.

    “I heard you had deflated balls.” “No you didn’t.” “Maybe I didn’t.”

    “I heard you saw Ray Rice’s tape.” “No you didn’t.” “Maybe I didn’t.”

    Shula was right.

  123. The awkward moment when…New England is .500 in the super bowl despite their cheating
    ===

    To be .500, NE would have to beat SEA to be 4-4. I think most Pats fans would probably accept that kind of awkward.

    Or did you not know that NE had been in the Superb Owl before BBK?

  124. Multiple players from other teams teams have reported that they also change the inflation level of balls, usually for the team QB’s preference (never mind that Brady likes his football fully inflated). So its yet another instance of a general practice done all around the league but lets hang this on Belichick, he beat us like a drum. BB now says thanks the Non-competetent Football League pencil pushers in New York for giving him some great world-against-us bulletin board fodder for the Super Bowl. A $25K fine? Commissioner Bad-dell doesn’t make much of a salary (!?) and this will help him make ends meet (sic).

  125. It takes seconds to take air out of ball, of course–it’s the easiest thing to do–and who’s going to notice with 200 people standing on the sideline.

    A for all the pats homers who wave off all this rule-breaking as no big deal, we won easily, we ran the ball, yada, yada. Wrong: It’s cheating–period. It’s gaining an unfair advantage–that’s WHY the pats do it–and we are not talking a hair under-inflated, we’re talking significantly under-inflated. If they didn’t think it was an advantage, they wouldn’t have been doing it–and you can bet the pats have been doing this for a long time. An under-inflated ball is easier to grip, easier to catch: You decrease the possibility of dropping or losing the ball, especially in cold weather. Anybody who’s played football know that a fully inflated football can be slick and is easier to drop.

    The Pats are serial cheaters–and weren’t punished sufficiently for spygate. The plays against the Ravens were BS, too–maybe technically legal, but sneaky, deceptive. That’s why no other coaches have done it, not because Belichick is brilliant. Other coaches are not comfortable getting ahead by being sneaky. Harbaugh thought it was sneak, deceptive–and I’ll take Harbaugh’s credibility over Belichik’s.

    Belichick ought to suspended for the Super Bowl–seriously, that would teach him a lesson. The team plays, he watches from the comfort of his den. To me, this is worse then supposedly paying players for knocking guys out of games. That is in fact not easy to do–and if you make an illegal hit, you get penalized and can get kicked out of a game. Two NO coaches got kicked out of the league for a year for that. Suspend Belichick now.

  126. Those footballs were inspected before the game, officials said they were good. the balls stay with the officials from then on.

    there are a 1000 cameras all over the field and know one saw brady deflating them. then at halftime the league looked at the balls and said they were down 2lbs.

    what a joke! whiny babies every where

    weather condition and 400lb men jumping on them cause them to leak air.

  127. Patriots fumbles 2013 = 10

    Patriots fumbles 2014 = 1
    ===

    Your 2014 number is wrong. Per Football reference Brady has fumbled 6 times this year. You have compared 2013 fumbles to 2014 fumbles lost, I belive.

  128. To all the Patriot haters out there , do you really believe your favorite team hasn’t crossed the line, road the line or possible broke regulations? Yeah ok keep dreaming. People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones.

  129. Belichick, Kraft, as well as Brady, owe their biggest explanation to the fans of New England. The people selling out their stadiums, the people representing their merchandise, explain to us who exactly you think you are? If this is confirmed, by all means, take your loser mentality back to Tennessee, and take your cali golden boy Tom Brady with you.

  130. So the refs inspected the balls properly before the game. This confirms there was foul play. Science does not explain a whole 2 pound air difference, and even if it did it wouldn’t just so happen to the patriots balls , and just so happen to a team that’s been known for bending rules . That’s not hatin that’s just good common sense. When even pats fans start complainin that they are sick of all these shenanigans , then you know something must be wrong.

  131. I had to stop at a gas station and get air in my tire do to the temp change in that weekend. Maybe that the reason they were deflated !!
    Also why hasn’t aaorn Rodgers been “investigated” for using over inflated balls. If you fine one you should fine all. The NFL is doing this to make it more interesting. It’s like a reality show partionaly scripted

  132. aelsurf says:
    Jan 21, 2015 11:42 AM
    Indoor-to-outdoor Temperature Variation. Significant differences between the conditions tire pressures are set (the warmth of an attached garage, heated garage or service shop) and in which the vehicle will be driven (winter’s subfreezing temperatures) requires inflating tires 1 psi higher than recommended on the placard for every 10° F difference in temperature between interior and exterior temperatures.

    THE SAME APPLIES TO FOOTBALLS

    —————————————
    This would apply to ALL footballs in that game, not just 11 of 12 of the Pats. The Colts footballs would be affected also…. science doesn’t discriminate

  133. I love watching the rest of the league cry over this stuff. The other teams, their players, their fans…all were promised parity, yet the same guy was in 6 of 13 Superbowls played in seasons he started in, and the same team played in 9 of 14 AFC Championships, including the last 4 straight. You’ll always find something to snivel about while the Patriots will just continue finding new ways to win.

  134. Yeah all but one of the Patriots balls… loses over 15% of its air, on the couple plays a quarter it is in the game. So over 90% of the balls the Pats used weren’t properly inflated.

    Except one…. which goes to the guy with the Luckiest Job ever. He gets to keep a hold of the Kickers ball. Who wouldn’t want a gig like that.

  135. I have to laugh at the excuses the Patriots fans are making, as usual…

    1. PATS FAN: Everybody does it. (That is false. If that was true Kraft would sue the league for millions).

    2. PATS FAN: Spygate never gave any advantage. (Completely false. Knowing another team’s plays is a huge advantage).

    3. PATS FAN: Haters will hate. (That is false. People despise cheaters, which the Patriots have been proven to be – a cheater!).

    4. PATS FAN: People are just jealous because we win all the time. (That is false. Far more people respect a winner if they win fairly than those that win by cheating.)

    5. PATS FAN: Who cares on to the Superbowl. (A lot of people care. Not just teams that played fairly and lost. But fans that love the sport and want a fair competition.

  136. ball PSI always changes with temp.. every game.. 70 degrees to 50 degrees can easily cause up to 2-5psi in change.. The Colts are the biggest embarrassment in the NFL.. BTW any QB will tell you the strings and surface of the ball are much more important than 2psi of pressure.. Such a joke.. More and more teams are actually coming yo the Patriots defense.. See you in the Superbowl Haters. 😉

    GO PATS!!

  137. Incorrect hairpie2. Temperature is in Kelvin, pressure in pascals. You are correct that we can drop volume and also the n and R, since these are constants. So:
    72 F = 295K
    52 F = 284K
    12.5 psi (lowest pressure allowed) = 86184 Pa

    solve for x Pa via:

    86184 * (284/295) = 82970

    converted to psi = 12.033 psi

  138. Was every ball tested with the gauge and documented? or was it the squeeze test? That information is important.

  139. If in the SB Richard Sherman can’t catch any interceptions, THEN we know the fix is in – LOL. Not a fan of either team, but this whole thing is ridiculous.

  140. I love how this article was written to take the responsibility of officiating the game away from the game officials. The review what is reported to have happened. A cornerback from the Colts catches an errant throw, thus having in his hands one of the balls which the Patriots were using during the game. He goes to the sideline and states his opinion that the ball is not properly inflated, and thus starts an investigation into the impropriety. However, the official on the field who handles (not one ball on one play of the game) every ball that enters the game has no clue that there is a difference in the balls being used by each team. In comparison, how many balls do you estimate that that official has placed ready for play in this his 17th/18th game of the season with relationship to how many balls this cornerback has handled? Who should be the expert on the field with a ready reference to how a properly inflated ball should and does feel? Yet the cornerback can tell while the official can’t. I call shenanigans.

  141. Would over or under inflated balls change how the game is played? I believe that you must execute game plan on both defense and offense in order to win!! Did the Colts execute game or was it the balls fault?

  142. So everyone who thinks Belichek ordered this, what if like Aaron Rodgers, Brady liked the footballs over inflated? Do you really think Belicheck would’ve told Brady to suck it up and use an under-inflated ball? Good lord, the conspiracy people are driving me crazy.

    The most logical conclusion is that all of the balls were pumped to the minimum level (Brady likes them softer) and checked inside where the temperature was likely over 70 degrees. And then were taken outside where it was 50 degrees (20 degree drop for those can’t subtract), which corresponds to somewhere in the 1-2 psi drop range per football.

    So does anyone have information that shows that all balls were exactly the same psi level, each one was exactly 2 psi low, how did they miss the 12th? And you can’t tell me that there is any way to measure that exact. Every gauge has an inherent error, +/- 5%. Good lord, this is such a non-issue it’s pathetic.

  143. Objectives for the 2015 season:
    1) Squish the Fish
    2) Squish the deflated Patriots balls
    In Rex we Trust
    GO BILLS…

  144. When teams blatantly cause harm to the integrity of the game the NFL needs to impose harsh penalties.

    Given the severity of these revelations and NE history as a repeat offender, the following penalties should be imposed on NE.

    1. Unparalleled financial penalties. (multiple millions of dollars)
    2. Substantial loss of draft picks for multiple years (3 to 5 years)
    3. Lengthy suspensions of personnel (at least one full season and post-season), or fire them and impose lifetime bans.

  145. This whole discussion is idiotic. If an underinflated ball supposedly helped Brady, why was Andrew Luck 12 for 33 passing using the same balls? How could an “advantage” like this help just one team but not the other?

  146. @coldwater32301: Yeah because that has absolutely nothing to do with Stevan “The Fumble Machine” Ridley being on IR since week 6. Look up those fumbles last season, 95% of them came from Ridley.

  147. “why was Andrew Luck 12 for 33 passing using the same balls? ”

    Catch up before you comment. They don’t use the same balls. Each team supplies their own.

  148. If the NFL refs noted the difference in the first half but did NOTHING about it, then the NFL failed to uphold the integrity of the game. Part time refs are ruining this game.

  149. So Since the great florio seems to think the only way to check the feel of the ball is through a “source” I have decided to do my own experiment.

    I took two NFL reg footballs my neighbor had one and I did. Both are fairly new and hardly used. We inflated both balls to the bottom of the 12.5 psi. left them in my garage in about 38 degree temp and after 2 hours they had dipped down to 12.2 psi. That was without being touched or rubbed or anything. So air cancome out without sub freezing temps. What we also did was put one football at 11.5 psi and one at 13 psi and asked member of our family to pick up the balls and tell us if they thought the balls were the same or different balls. Of the 8 people we asked all 8 immediately knew one ball “had more air in it”.

    So after my own little experiment I am going to go a head and say any number of things could have happened to cause balls to be at a lower psi. in fact since we don’t know what that measure was I don’t think we should be yamming on and on and on and on about this just yet.

    I just heard Shannon Sharpe (a former Raven) on the 4 letter network almost screaming BB should be suspended for a year and saying how this is the same as putting bounty’s o other players health and paying people forinjuring people. Right Shannon same thing.

    I am not even a patriots fan but man people are pathetic. The pats are better than your franchise. Hell they are better than the franchise I route for. Its is just how it is right now. get over it.

  150. “Catch up before you comment. They don’t use the same balls. Each team supplies their own”
    Know what you are talking about before you criticize someone. Each team provides balls, but they do not use only the balls they provide.

  151. A legal question for Mike Florio. If this rule is so important to the game, shouldn’t the balls be weighed after the game. If the NFL has never weighed a ball during or after a game since the rule was put in place, isn’t it the leagues fault for improper enforcement? Balls should be weighed before AND after a game.
    If Aaron Rodgers admitted to over inflating a ball and hoped he didn’t get caught that is a form of cheating(except in the eyes of patriot haters). Did the NFL look into this by weighing Green Bay footballs after their games. To think only the Patriot’s do this is naive but I understand why everybody hates them but in a legal sense, the league bears some responsibility for this happening. Can they rightfully assume nobody else has done this before if they never weigh balls after all games and just assume this is the first and only time?

  152. “sportnut92 says:
    Jan 21, 2015 12:11 PM
    Folks, as much as we hate these guys let’s use our brains here. If the balls were properly weighed, the most likely truth to this is the cold weather. It’s a known fact balls deflate under 32 degrees, much more rapidly. Also the fact they were being used, could all be a huge misunderstanding”

    $$$$$

    Perhaps, but what’s your reply to the FACT that ONLY the PATRIOTS balls were DEFLATED?

    Up next – The next lame attempt to make excuses for your lame cheating team that got caught – AGAIN.

    NEXT…..

  153. So they say they waited until halftime to check the balls and did. Does this mean they inflated them to the correct PSI to start the second half when the game was 17-7? If so how did the Pats score the other 28 pts.? Not condoning cheating but ??? Did they also check the Colts Balls? Or did they bring any!

  154. Tuck Rule
    Spygate
    The phantom down being dialed up in the 2011 AFCG
    Deflategate

    How can anyone call Belicheck the best coach of all time he did awful in Cleveland before he went to New England where he had all these controversies and suspicions of cheating.

    Calling him the greatest coach in NFL history is an insult to Lombardi, Landry, Walsh, Noll, SHULA, Parcells, and Halas.

  155. A few things to note here that a lot of fans seem to be missing and questions that need answers:

    1. The idea that the refs allowed the Pats to continue to use non-conforming balls is ridiculous until proven otherwise. The balls were almost certainly re-inflated for the second half…. a second half in which the Pats dominated the Colts.

    2. Bardy’s passing numbers in the first half weren’t spectacular and there were several drops by Patriot players. He also threw an awful interception, likely caused by the ball being light. If they did intentionally deflate their balls, it hardly gave them an advantage.

    3. Were the Colts balls checked as well? That’s a big one because if the argument is that it was the temperature that caused the decrease in pressure… comparing the Colts balls to those of the Patriots would have easily cleared things up. If only one teams balls had a noticeable change in pressure, it obviously wasn’t the cold.

    4. Is this a common practice that is simply being made into a big deal now that the Patriots are involved? We know Rodgers over inflates balls by his own admission… so do most QB’s play lose with the rules when it comes to ball pressure and the league and other teams look the other way most of the time? Given some of the comments we have seen from those in the league, I think the answer might be yes.

  156. So if the footballs were properly checked before the game, how does this become the Patriots’ problem? Do we know what the footballs that the Colts brought weighed? Is there evidence that the Pats were deflating the footballs while the game was in progress?

  157. From a physics teacher:

    Given the conditions of the game, a ball which meets specifications in the locker room could easily lose enough pressure to be considered under-inflated. Some math:

    – Guy-Lussac’s Law describes the relationship between the pressure of a confined ideal gas and its temperature. For the sake of argument, we will assume that the football is a rigid enough container (unless a ball is massively deflated, it’s volume won’t change). The relationship is (P1/T1) = (P2/T2), where P is the pressure and T is the temperature in Kelvins.

    – The balls are inflated to between 12.5 and 13.5 psi at a temperature of 70 degrees Fahrenheit (294.1 K). Let’s assume an average ball has a pressure of 13 psi. Since these are initial values, we will call them P1 and T1.

    – The game time temperature was 49 degrees F (278 K). We are attempting to solve for the new pressure at this temperature, P2. We plug everything into the equation and get (13/294.1) = (P2/278). At the game time temperature, the balls would have a pressure of 12.3 psi, below league specifications.

    Furthermore, given that it was raining all day, the air in the stadium was saturated with water vapor. At 70 degrees, water has a vapor pressure of 0.38 psi. The total pressure of the ball is equal to the pressure of the air inside the ball and the vaporized water in the ball. At 49 degrees, the vapor pressure of water is 0.13 psi. Up to 0.25 additional psi can be lost if the balls were inflated by either the team or the refs prior to the game. Granted, it’s unlikely that anyone would inflate balls from 0, but it easily could cost another couple hundredths of a psi in pressure.

    – For a ball that barely meets specifications (12.5 psi), it’s pressure would drop to 11.8 psi during the game… enough to be considered massively under-inflated.

  158. 20 degree difference equals roughly .5 psi decrease. Not 1 pound, not 2 pounds, not between 3 and five pounds (each of which is stated above at some point). When people make these statements they are just showing their ignorance in the matter.

    I really don’t care why they are deflated, how they are deflated, when they were deflated, etc. Might as well wait for the results of the “investigation”, but realize that the reason for a 2 lb difference is NOT because they were subjected to 20 degree cooler temps after inflation…the math just doesn’t work.

  159. I bet they were inflated or stored in a very warm environment, and checked while warm…then outside in a cool environment where they lost pressure. Tests will show that to be the cause.

  160. Football Pressure Drop by Temperature

    The necessary law is called Gay-Lussac’s Law and is fundamental to the study of gases. It was derived in 1808 by Joseph Louis Gay-Lussac. The Kelvin temperature needs to be used to study changes since it is directly tied to the motion of molecules. The Kelvin temperature of a 75 degree Fahrenheit room is 297 K. The Kelvin temperature of a 35 degree Fahrenheit field is 275 K.

    The basic gas law will use Pf to mean the final pressure as read on the field. Pi means the pressure as read indoors. Tf mean the temperature as read on the field. Ti means the temperature as read inside. P means pressure, T temperature, f means final state, and i means initial state. The mathematical form of the gas law is as follows:

    Pf = Pi x (Tf/Ti)

    The ratio of the temperatures is 0.926. That is easy but the pressure to plug in is more difficult. The NFL stipulates an internal pressure of at minimum 12.5 psi (pounds per square inch). That however is the gauge pressure reading. There is normal atmospheric pressure both inside and outside a ball before inflation. This normal pressure is 14.7 psi. Inflation merely increasing the pressure inside beyond the normal. At the start of inflation the pressure difference is 0 between inside and outside. To inflate to the NFL minimum of 12.5 psi means the gauge might read 12.5 psi but the true pressure inside is this plus atmospheric pressure of 14.7. Thus at minimum there is 27.2 psi inside. Since there is 14.7 outside the ball due to the atmosphere, the pressure gauge reads the difference of the two so 12.5. Physics is based upon what is really there so the Pi to use is 27.2 psi.

    Use the equation now and you will find that the Pf on the field is 25.2 psi.

    Now stick a pressure gauge inside the ball on the field. The gauge reads the difference between ball pressure and atmospheric pressure. So 25.2 minus 14.7 or 10.5 psi.

    This is what the NFL is reporting as the difference. They stated a pressure drop of 2.0 psi. The calculations should a drop from 12.5 to 10.5 psi due to the temperature drop. Thus there is no scandal but rather basic physics at work.

  161. If the under inflated balls gave the Patriots an advantage, why did they score more points in the second half (when the balls were properly inflated) than they did in the first half?

  162. Oh, no, a referee would NEVER fib about how well he inspected the footballs (heavy sarcasm). Other team’s equipment managers are reporting that many times, the referee just picks the football up and does a squeeze test. No gauges, no scales.

  163. From what I’ve been hearing, adjusting the inflation is so commonplace that everyone – players, coaches, and refs alike – know it’s a routine practice. They look the other way because, frankly, they know it’s a silly rule, and most of them do it themselves.

    That is, until someone decides it’s a good time to apply a little selective enforcement. That’s the problem here, and the part of it that bothers me.

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