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It’s still not known what the NFL specifically has found, or will find, in the #DeflateGate investigation.  It is known that, when the time comes to assess the evidence, a low threshold will determine the outcome.

Per a league source, the “preponderance of the evidence” standard applies in cases involving allegations of conduct that undermines the integrity of the game.  That comes from the league policy manual given to every team.

It’s the standard that applies in civil litigation, a “more-likely-than-not” assessment of the proof that equates to, essentially, a 51-49 test far less stringent than proof beyond a reasonable doubt, which applies in criminal cases.

Although Patriots owner Robert Kraft has insisted on “hard facts as opposed to circumstantial leaked evidence to drive the conclusion of this investigation,” circumstantial evidence could be sufficient to overcome any legal standard — especially a low one like “preponderance of the evidence.”
Depending on the full extent of the evidence obtained during the ongoing investigation, that could be bad news for the Patriots.

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  1. theparadoxx82 says: Jan 27, 2015 7:59 PM

    As opposed to the standard of proof to sit a player?

  2. elmobad says: Jan 27, 2015 8:00 PM

    NEED NO EVIDENCE

    Patriots were caught with 11 deflated balls..

    That’s against the rules!

    Second offense of cheating/breaking the rules!

    “Ignorance is no excuse” quoth Goodell

    One year supension for Belichick plus loss of draft picks.

    keep it fair Goodell!

  3. alexanderthethird says: Jan 27, 2015 8:01 PM

    Give me a break.

  4. hardasahawk says: Jan 27, 2015 8:01 PM

    Unless the league is crocked, Belicheat should obviously be banned for a year with heavy fines, Shady should be banned for 8 games plus heavy fines, Krappy should be fined heavily and they should lose first round picks for 5 years.

  5. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 8:02 PM

    They don’t even have that right now.

    They have low pressure balls on a cold day and a ball attendant (who may or may not be a NEP employee) using the toilet for 90 seconds.

  6. Shanahammer says: Jan 27, 2015 8:02 PM

    This is more of a wish from you then anything…

  7. killitandeatit says: Jan 27, 2015 8:03 PM

    In other words ,”New England you got problems.”

  8. mazenblue says: Jan 27, 2015 8:03 PM

    whiners should be banned from the internet. Gotta keep it fair. Thats what you want, fairness

  9. seahawkz4life says: Jan 27, 2015 8:04 PM

    Focus on the SB, Im tired of hearing this and I cheer for the seahawks not the patriots. Let them be for now, theres a game this weekend, media

  10. mattyj7183 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:04 PM

    So you’re saying they could possibly be found not guilty in the court of law, but guilty in the court of the NFL? That makes sense especially if Ray Lewis ends up playing the role of the judge.

  11. zeke2517 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:04 PM

    So the Patriots’ balls were outside of specifications, and the Colts’ balls were not. Is that circumstantial? Are the Pats really just going to try to A-Rod their way out of this?

  12. johnlink00 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:05 PM

    It’s funny how all these fans of teams that fear the Patriots want Belichick out for a year.

  13. bradwins says: Jan 27, 2015 8:05 PM

    They may only need a preponderance of the evidence to impose a fine, but if they do that they will have egg all over their face and Goodell will likely lose his job.

  14. thelastwordyaheard says: Jan 27, 2015 8:06 PM

    what an absolute embarrassment ..Tagliabue is rolling over in his grave & he’s not even dead yet

  15. riverhorsey says: Jan 27, 2015 8:06 PM

    Gonna have to do better than a ball boy in the bathroom for 90 seconds.

  16. slyall41 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:07 PM

    Another black eye for the league. Sounds like an apology from the league is forthcoming.

  17. zeke2517 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:07 PM

    “Focus on the SB, Im tired of hearing this…”

    This is the WWNFL, my friend.

  18. restoreintegritytonfl says: Jan 27, 2015 8:07 PM

    Hello? The proof is 11 footballs that were deflated. The NFL already has THE evidence.

  19. zeke2517 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:08 PM

    “Gonna have to do better than a ball boy in the bathroom for 90 seconds.”

    Here you go:

    The Colts’ balls were legit, the Patriots’ balls were not.

    Discuss.

  20. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 8:08 PM

    Zeke: It’s a range.

    13.5 PSI becomes 12.5 PSI in that weather, but stays legal. 12.5 PSI becomes 11.5 PSI and becomes illegal. This is real simple stuff.

  21. --Cisco says: Jan 27, 2015 8:09 PM

    Everyone keeps saying that the Colts balls were all within range. Well, duh. They are the ones who ran than the sting.

    Of course they are going to make sure their balls were above and beyond limit. They knew in advance.

    But the key question is what was the psi of the Colts balls before the game and after.

    If they were at 13.5 before and between 13 or 12.5 after, and Patriots were 12.5 before and 12-11.5 after… Well case closed.

  22. brizalmighty says: Jan 27, 2015 8:09 PM

    so we’re now down to rock bottom. dont even need proof…

  23. kylecleric says: Jan 27, 2015 8:09 PM

    More often than not, if you’re in a bathroom for 90 seconds you’re either peeing or washing your hands or both.

    Certainly 90 seconds would be extremely difficult time frame to tamper with 11 balls. Weather is more likely the cause than those 90 seconds.

  24. zeke2517 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:10 PM

    “They have low pressure balls on a cold day and a ball attendant (who may or may not be a NEP employee) using the toilet for 90 seconds.”

    Tell me about the Colts’ balls.

  25. justintuckrule says: Jan 27, 2015 8:10 PM

    If it’s the same standard that the NFL applies to players, the NFL should fine the patriots and take away their draft picks first. Then, if in three years they are found innocent, give them back the money in the pics when the damage is already done. What’s fair is fair

  26. FinFan68 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:11 PM

    Speculation and conjecture is not evidence. Theories, nut not evidence. The question is not whether anything happened to the balls. It is whether or not the Patriots did something to the balls after they were certified by the officials.

  27. johnodocks says: Jan 27, 2015 8:11 PM

    The over/under on the Super Bowl is set at 11.2 psi.

  28. ripwarrior says: Jan 27, 2015 8:12 PM

    Bill billicheck would cheat to win the pro bowl

  29. theotherjules says: Jan 27, 2015 8:13 PM

    I think it’s possible the Patriots have been submitting under-inflated footballs (at various levels) for a while, leaving it all in the hands of the refs who may or may not use gauges on any given day, and being able to use the “hey it’s up to the refs to catch it” defense. That’s kind of what Rodgers does too.

    There’s no punishment for submitting an over or under-inflated ball. The worst that can happen is the ref catches it, fixes it, and moves on to the next one. So why not take a shot of you if know there’s a good chance it will pass?

    Not saying it’s right but at the same time, why not grab a guy’s jersey on a play knowing you might get away with it? Why not flop after a punt because you might get a roughing the kicker call?

  30. mattwalshvideo says: Jan 27, 2015 8:15 PM

    Aaron Hernandez is laughing at the NE Deflatriots right about now.

  31. lemmetalkwouldya says: Jan 27, 2015 8:15 PM

    The league comes out and says that the Patriots balls tested at 12.5 PSI before the game, and the Colts balls tested at 13.5, then says the Patriots balls tested to below 12.5, but they don’t say SPECIFICALLY what the number was. Was it a half lb, 1 lb, TWO lbs., what???

    The league says that at halftime, the Colts balls tested ABOVE the minimum but they DON’T specifically say what THAT number was, either.

    Everyone acknowledges that footballs lose pressure in colder air and wet weather, so it stands to reason that if New England’s footballs were all deflated to a similar number, the Colts footballs would be deflated by the same amount.

    So, what were those numbers, NFL??????

    Right now, all you have is a 90 second video of a Patriots ball boy who took two bags of footballs into a men’s room, long enough to take a squirt, not nearly long enough top tamper with 11 footballs.

    The NFL has NOTHING, and won’t come clean about what the exact halftime pressures were!!!!

    This whole thing STINKS to high heavens, and any lawyer worth a lick of brains can see that the NFL doesn’t have anywhere NEAR 51% of the burden.

  32. andyladan says: Jan 27, 2015 8:16 PM

    If Belichick goes down, he’s a two time offender. Third strike and he’s doing Skecher’s commercials with Pete Rose.

  33. hakunamangata says: Jan 27, 2015 8:17 PM

    If they suspend Belichick it would be the biggest suspension since patriot fans suspended their belief that thier organization is honorable

  34. dpball4 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:17 PM

    Give it a rest. Wait till the NFL gives their findings. All of this is just speculation which is quite tiring. Give the officials gauges on the sideline if PSI makes a damn difference, especially since nobody can even feel the difference. This whole story is insane and had zero impact on anything. GO PATS, shut everyone up.

  35. Patskrieg dot com says: Jan 27, 2015 8:17 PM

    Oh don’t worry. Deflategate has produced only the lowest standard of truth this far.

  36. pastabelly says: Jan 27, 2015 8:18 PM

    I’d like to see a report about who in the NFL is leaking evidence to the likes of Kravitz, Mortensen, and Glazer. Something is rotten at 345 Park Avenue.

  37. jeffesky says: Jan 27, 2015 8:19 PM

    They flat out cheated, they have been proven to do so and its obvious they have done so again. This issue concerning air pressure has been suspected for sometime and thus the NFL sting. The asterisk will there fore be next to Tom and Bills name for all time which is sad but they made the choice and will have to live with it.

  38. tattooit says: Jan 27, 2015 8:20 PM

    Have two more hated teams ever played one another in the the SB?

    It’s embarrassing that this is still being talked about.

    The fact is, the two best teams in the world are about to clash on Sunday night, and the more the media tries to keep this story on life support the more desperate you sound.

  39. blizzard01 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:20 PM

    Hey all you football players out there…
    You’re playing in cold weather, rain maybe snow coming down. Did the football feel different at the end of the game?
    Did refs ever pump up balls in your games because the elements were deflating them?

    Really- anyone ever experience something like this?

  40. whitetrash69 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:20 PM

    People are convicted of crimes all the time based on circumstantial evidence. Also, this isn’t a criminal case, based on the evidence we already have I think all signs point to guilty.

  41. muslimponder says: Jan 27, 2015 8:21 PM

    They don’t need to prove a player’s intent in the event of a drug test that tests positive for PEDs. Same scenario here. Intent is literally irrelevant. They were caught with 11/12 footballs deflated below written specifications. That’s all there is to it. Any other result other than the Patriots receiving punishment (even if arbitrary) means the league is a farce and Richard Sherman was right about Goodell and Kraft’s buddy buddy relationship tainting the credibility of the investigation.

  42. smokim says: Jan 27, 2015 8:22 PM

    “Dum – – – de – DUM – DUM”

  43. mikeytoth says: Jan 27, 2015 8:23 PM

    So what happens if they aren’t found to have tampered with the balls? People will still say they cheated or that goodell covered it up. Also, what happens if this is a shady job by mike kinsil to set up the pats with the help of three other franchises to discredit and break up the patriots? Even in there is proof, somehow they would be found to have cheated to screw themselves. So its a lose lose situation.

  44. Bill's got balls! says: Jan 27, 2015 8:24 PM

    Why won’t the league tell us unequivocally that all the balls were tested with a gauge by the officials? Why won’t they tell us what kind of gauge it was? Was the same gauge used at half-time?

  45. tim2200 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:24 PM

    NFL went into this assuming the Patriots are guilty.
    Now Wells needs weeks to find a way to connect the dots and cover up the fact that the referee never used a pressure gauge for their pregame check of the footballs.
    The NFL is crazy if they think the Patriots will accept any finding of circumstantial evidence.
    NFL will look really bad when the Patriots take the leagues finding of “fact” (lol) and publicly destroy it by various means.
    Robert Kraft draw that line in the sand last night.
    Self made billionaires don’t back down.

  46. restoreintegritytonfl says: Jan 27, 2015 8:24 PM

    Robert Graft is hoping blind sheep listen to him yet again. But for many fans, it’s revotling to listen to this guy lobbying for outlandish “beyond a shadow of a doubt” proof. The NFL already has the proof, at this point the Pats need to provide firm proof they didn’t mess with the balls. Short of that, it’s only logical to consider them guilty.

  47. rayjayjohnsonjr says: Jan 27, 2015 8:25 PM

    Anybody got/seen/heard of a video of the refs actually checking the balls? Of course, they would never lie about it just to save their face/jobs so lets just assume they did their job perfectly, as they usually do.

  48. meepmeep172 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:27 PM

    Really? Enough with the fear mongering.

    This story jumped the shark with the 90 second pee-break nonsense.

  49. chuckshontaspads says: Jan 27, 2015 8:27 PM

    Low standards, you mean referees, the commissioner, the media – seems like the perfect measurement to achieve for all involved in this except the hardest working, well coached no nonsense Partiots.

  50. thelastwordyaheard says: Jan 27, 2015 8:27 PM

    the league has announced that all ball boys must wear Depends undergarments at all times prior to and during NFL games, effective immediately

  51. wte1 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:28 PM

    OK. so preponderance of the evidence means if the locker room attendant claims he dropped a deuce in the bathroom that is not enough proof b/c a poop would take
    at least 90 seconds.

    But if he said he took a leak that is enough evidence b/c it does not take 90 seconds to pee!

    Unless he was trying to force the pee out before the game and was having difficulty obtaining a solid stream.

  52. meepmeep172 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:29 PM

    Bill’s got balls! says:
    Jan 27, 2015 8:24 PM
    Why won’t the league tell us unequivocally that all the balls were tested with a gauge by the officials? Why won’t they tell us what kind of gauge it was? Was the same gauge used at half-time?

    ___________

    Because this is nothing but a glorified smear campaign.

  53. nflrulebook says: Jan 27, 2015 8:29 PM

    At least Neil degrass Tyson came outr and admitted he got the science wrong and Belichick was right.
    But as they say a lie can travel around the world before the truth has a chance to put it’s shoes on.

  54. hardasahawk says: Jan 27, 2015 8:29 PM

    And Arod was innocent.

    He got caught juiced and had his supplier turn on him but he denies it so there’s “no proof”.

  55. thereyougo2 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:30 PM

    What. Is there a game this weekend or is the season over?

  56. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:31 PM

    smasonsmith says:
    Jan 27, 2015 8:02 PM
    They don’t even have that right now.

    They have low pressure balls on a cold day and a ball attendant (who may or may not be a NEP employee) using the toilet for 90 seconds.
    ———–

    Stop with this cold day stuff. The Giants footballs weren’t deflated in below zero temperatures in Green Bay. It was 40 degrees in Foxborough that day. Stop it already.

  57. thundersnacker says: Jan 27, 2015 8:34 PM

    Fine then. Don’t need proof to back up the allegation? Hand out the 25k fine and be done with it. Goodell want to rewrite the rule book again, just to satisfy his ego? That’s why he needs the investigation.
    And id you don’t need actual hard proof for an allegation, the rest of the teams should be on high alert.

  58. polegojim says: Jan 27, 2015 8:36 PM

    Let’s hear about Super Bowl Matchups!!!

  59. billneftleberg says: Jan 27, 2015 8:36 PM

    the biggest piece of evidence is 11 of 12 patriot footballs found deflated and 0 of 12 seahawk footballs found deflated. Not even a single seahawk football.

    the odds of that happening by chance is over a trillion to one. thats waaaaaayyyyyy more than a preponderence. the fact that a patriot employee took the balls into a locked room just adds to the guilt.

    really who takes a bag of footballs with them to go pee..? patriot fans are in denial

  60. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 8:36 PM

    Zeke: I and many have posed several scenarios in which the IND balls remain legal while NE’s balls fell below min spec without nefarious intervention. The Ideal Gas Law has not changed since those explanations were posted. Briefly: if the temperature-induced drop was 1 PSI, the Colts’ balls would be legal if they started at 13.5 PDI while the Pats’ would be illegal if they started as 12.5 PSI. They could also have pumped them up cold before handing them off. That way, the temp delta is smaller and the pressure loss is smaller.

    Like I said: simple stuff.

  61. neilpountney says: Jan 27, 2015 8:39 PM

    The Colts’ balls were legit, the Patriots’ balls were not.

    Discuss.

    What was the starting point of the Colts balls, we already know Aaron Rogers turns them in over inflated because he likes them that way seems nobody has bothered to establish that point yet because the whole focus of people in a witch hunt.

  62. aljack88 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:40 PM

    mattwalshvideo says:
    Jan 27, 2015 8:15 PM
    Aaron Hernandez is laughing at the NE Deflatriots right about now.
    ==============================
    Lucky thing for you he didn’t meet you.

  63. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 8:40 PM

    Yes, the Giants balls were deflated against Green Bay if it was that cold. But because the G-men are terrible no one Noticed or cared.

    It’s not the “ideal gas suggestion” or the “Ideal Gas Opinion”. It’s the ideal gas law and it applies to every air-filed football ever made.

  64. shaggytoodle says: Jan 27, 2015 8:41 PM

    Most people don’t bring instruments of work to the bathroom with them postal workers, cooks, musicians, nearly everyone except plumbers.

    I don’t know what happened… but i won’t blame people that wonder.

  65. tskocpol says: Jan 27, 2015 8:45 PM

    Depending on the full extent…, could be bad news…
    This says nothing. Not even a likelihood of improper conduct exists so far, let alone a preponderance of evidence.

    Kraft asked for facts, not leaked innuendo. He had every right, as the League’s conduct so far has been disgusting. The clearest hint was the “into another area”wording by Glazer, who either was not told or deliberately concealed that 90 seconds in a toilet was the “area.” Not told is a League distortion, and concealed would be media misconduct.

    Time to rename it Toiletgate.

  66. mungman69 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:46 PM

    Amazing that you keep fanning a fire where there is no flame.

  67. meepmeep172 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:46 PM

    “Low standard of proof applies to #DeflateGate”

    Translation: We’ve got nothing…and we need to save face.

  68. aljack88 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:46 PM

    Mr. Wright 212 says:
    Jan 27, 2015 8:31 PM

    Stop with this cold day stuff. The Giants footballs weren’t deflated in below zero temperatures in Green Bay. It was 40 degrees in Foxborough that day. Stop it already.

    =================================

    You know for a fact that the Giants’ balls were the exact same psi from the moment they were checked in the refs room prior to the game as they were at the end of the game (at zero degrees) ? I don’t think that is possible.

  69. tonebones says: Jan 27, 2015 8:48 PM

    Unless the Colts were playing in a different city, their footballs would have been low on pressure too. What? They were playing in the same stadium and their footballs remained legal even though it was cold outside? Perhaps it was just a coincidence that 11 of 12 balls were made faulty and leaked air for no apparent reason. It couldn’t have been anything the Patriots did. They’ve never been caught cheating.

  70. eastcoastgambler says: Jan 27, 2015 8:48 PM

    If the league does not sanction the Patriots, imagine how loud the Crygaters will get then.

  71. Ghost Rat says: Jan 27, 2015 8:49 PM

    A preponderance of the evidence still places a burden on the league to demonstrate that, based on the EVIDENCE available, it is more likely than that that the Patriots intentionally engaged in prohibited behavior.

    At present, there is ZERO EVIDENCE beyond the simple fact that the balls were low on psi. And the 90 seconds in a bathroom, again lacking physical evidence, will not be sufficient to meet the burden.

    Even with the preponderance test, the league appears to be grasping at imaginary straws.

  72. patsifurnotcheetinurnottryin says: Jan 27, 2015 8:50 PM

    Smason Zeke: It’s a range.

    13.5 PSI becomes 12.5 PSI in that weather, but stays legal. 12.5 PSI becomes 11.5 PSI and becomes illegal. This is real simple stuff.

    So when they fill the balls in a 70 degree room then in that weather 51degrees lose up to 1 pound psi how much do they lose when you bring those balls out in green bay at 5 degrees THE WEATHER HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT you all sound so dumb saying that there has been 10 thousand football games in all types of weather we wood of noticed something by no dont you think

  73. gdbroker says: Jan 27, 2015 8:50 PM

    Please do not feed the trolls.

  74. glen907 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:51 PM

    Hey pats fans forget about the colts balls or the 12th ball defying physics, what about your own back up balls that was put in at halftime and checked at the end of the game, can 1 of you guys please help me with what the spin is on those? thanks in advance

  75. meepmeep172 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:52 PM

    NFL/Leaks/PFT = Wild E. Coyote

    Kraft/Belichick/Brady = The Roadrunner.

    MEEP MEEP!

    Again!

  76. snoqualmieterry says: Jan 27, 2015 8:54 PM

    Kraft doesn’t want leaked evidence to find guilt? Tell your coaches not to leak air out of the footballs.

  77. getyourownname says: Jan 27, 2015 8:54 PM

    I don’t remember Kraft demanding video evidence before cutting Hernandez.

  78. lemmetalkwouldya says: Jan 27, 2015 8:55 PM

    zeke2517 says:
    Jan 27, 2015 8:10 PM

    “They have low pressure balls on a cold day and a ball attendant (who may or may not be a NEP employee) using the toilet for 90 seconds.”

    Tell me about the Colts’ balls.
    ———————————————————
    I would, but the NFL isn’t talking about them …… makes you wonder, doesn’t it? 😉

  79. harryhands9 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:55 PM

    Yeah…so, 11 of the 12 footballs were illegal.

  80. stoopidfool says: Jan 27, 2015 8:56 PM

    I don’t believe the owners will go for this

  81. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 8:56 PM

    Tonebones: Try harder. No matter how many times the question is asked, the answer remains the same.

    A 13.5 PSI football at 70F will still be legal at 50 F when it’s pressure will be approximately 12.5 PSI. Since the league has yet to leak the Colts ball pressure other than to say they were legal at both measurements, we can’t say much more about those balls. Note that what the league has never said officially or in a leak is, “the Colts balls were the same pressure before the game and at half time.”

    Were that the case, it is the Colts that should be investigated.

  82. meepmeep172 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:56 PM

    getyourownname – He didn’t need video evidence. There was a dead body.

    Please…..is that all you have?

  83. daytontriangles says: Jan 27, 2015 8:57 PM

    Remember, this was not something the NFL stumbled into. They ran a sting operation.

    They set a trap specifically to catch the Patriots in the act, and they still have nothing.

    They can’t prove it wasn’t the weather. They won’t say what the PSI of the Patriots and Colts footballs were at the time they were initially checked. It seems highly unlikely they can prove 11 of 12 balls were tampered in 90 seconds.

    And what if they decide to press forward with punishment in spite of having zero concrete proof?

    According to the NFL rulebook, you know, those rules everyone is so up in arms about? The fine for messing with the footballs is $25,000.

    That’s it. $25,000. No suspensions, no draft picks. Just a fine, and a small one at that.

    That is, unless Goodell decides the Patriots are the only ones who need to follow the rules and decides to punish them more.

    It would not surprise me in the least. After all when someone conducts a witch hunt, they’re never satisfied until the witch is burned at the stake.

  84. neallday says: Jan 27, 2015 8:58 PM

    It’s a sad day when fans of other teams only hope for beating the pats is if they suspend the coach and qb.

    Just sad.

  85. aljack88 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:58 PM

    If a “Low standard of proof ” is all that is required, how did the Colts ever escape not getting bagged for their running crowd noise through their sound system? Several million people heard the reverb while watching one game, even one of the commentators wondered what the hell it was. A security guard was quoted as saying the Colts did it. Several visiting teams coaches questioned it. What standard applies?

  86. thedoctlc says: Jan 27, 2015 8:58 PM

    All the NFL has officially said so far is the Patriot’s balls were properly inflated pregame, 11 of 12 were underinflated at halftime, and 40+ persons have been interviewed.

    If the league wants to come down hard on the Pats they’ll need documented/photographic evidence of the pre- and post-halftime pressure checks AND complete chain of custody of each football. Short of that, anything more than the minimum $25,000 would likely be fiercely contested/appealed by the Patriots.

    Mort initially reported that 11 of 12 balls were underinflated by 2 PSI at halftime; many since have debated the veracity of this report – especially the exact PSI readings – but I digress. In the myriad of leaks/reports since not ONE has specifically stated the exact pressure of the Pats balls PRE-GAME.

    This morning one source mentioned that after the Pats submitted their beat-up/underinflated balls for pre-game inspection, the officials simply used the “squeeze test” and didn’t even use pressure gauges until after halftime. Therefore, if the Pats played the 1st half with balls the officials deemed acceptable but were in fact underinflated, that’s the official’s fault, not the Patriots.

    Long story short, the league needs a lot more than 11 of 12 underinflated balls at halftime and some kid hitting the head for a minute and a half immediately after leaving the official’s locker room.

  87. ben1332 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:59 PM

    Did anyone ever prove that Sammy Sosa corked that bat with his own hands?
    No circumstantial nonsense either.
    I mean hard evidence.
    If not then I don’t see the problem.
    So what if his opponents’ bats weren’t corked?
    Maybe some rogue batboy took it upon himself to tamper with the bat.
    Or maybe atmospheric conditions replaced the bat’s core.

    The only problem was the existence of people that couldn’t hit more than 60 homeruns in a season and their jealousy.

    Right?

  88. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:59 PM

    Patriots fans’ delusion coming out again…

  89. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 9:00 PM

    A football that is inflated to 13.5 PSI at room temp would be about 10.5 PSI at 0F. It’s a linear relationship unlike your family tree, which is circular.

  90. Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 27, 2015 9:02 PM

    johnlink00 says:
    Jan 27, 2015 8:05 PM
    It’s funny how all these fans of teams that fear the Patriots want Belichick out for a year.
    ———-

    My team doesn’t fear the Patriots, and I am forever grateful to Bill for two of our four titles, but he should be suspended for a year.

  91. fetts81 says: Jan 27, 2015 9:03 PM

    All the pat haters need to get out of their dark basement and go do something with your lives. I’m talking the ones that comment in every damn article there is. I feel sorry for your pathetic life filled with envy and jealousy. Now move on

  92. glen907 says: Jan 27, 2015 9:03 PM

    meepmeep172 says:
    Jan 27, 2015 8:56 PM
    getyourownname – He didn’t need video evidence. There was a dead body.

    Please…..is that all you have
    ***********************************************************
    so what your saying is they don’t need video evidence because they (NFL) already have the deflated balls that were used in the game right?

  93. neallday says: Jan 27, 2015 9:04 PM

    Science doesn’t exist for pats haters. The teams they root for couldn’t beat the pats so this under-inflated ball story is the next best thing.

    Like I said before, just sad

  94. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 9:05 PM

    212: Bad Manning is NEP kryptonite. Weird but true.

  95. meepmeep172 says: Jan 27, 2015 9:07 PM

    And let’s talk for a second about Holier-Than-Thou Ray Lewis. You know, the guy that wants to put an asterisk on Brady’s 15 year stellar career. A career that has no black marks…not even jaywalking….

    Ray Lewis: was charged with the murder of two men in Atlanta the night after the 2000 Super Bowl; he ended up pleading guilty to obstruction of justice and testifying against two other defendants who were with him that night.

    That dude should have an asterisk next to his entire life.

    This whole thing has been about people on their high horses trying to knock someone off who has never done anything wrong. Never given the league a reason to question his integrity. Sure, he has complained to the refs occasionally about a questionable hit. But does that mean he should have his ENTIRE CAREER obliterated over innuendo and circumstantial nonsense? A 90 second pee-break?

    If that is the case, it is open season on everyone in the NFL. I am looking at you, wife beating Terrell Suggs.

  96. tskocpol says: Jan 27, 2015 9:08 PM

    Facts in all this would trace each ball through a full time of testing and retesting, at what conditions each time for at least three tests each.

    I doubt they have that data, or it would have been issued by now. That is what a scientist would need to establish variations to be explained for two sets of Pats footballs and two sets of Colts footballs, as well as for variations within each team’s set according to whether balls were in play or not, or intercepted by the other team. If Colts knew in advance that they would try to spring this trap, their handling of balls requires just as much scrutiny as does the Pats handling. They could have made extra sure their own balls were at high pressure and they could have, say, taken an extra poke at the intercepted Pats ball. Not to mention that Pats balls were in play for much longer time of possession in the first half. Not saying any of this DID happen. Just saying there are a lot of variables that an honest analysis would need to pin down.

  97. willyshock says: Jan 27, 2015 9:09 PM

    Of course The Colts Game Balls tested above the minimum. They weren’t just in on the con job… They initiated it. Two sets of rules for two teams playing in the same game, on the same field is cheating. Further, The League Office instructed The Officials to have an in game bias against one team. That is League Sanctioned Cheating. The NFL and The Tabloid Sports Media don’t just have egg on their faces… They are wearing the whole Chicken Ranch. If The Colts had won this game, and the story broke on game night that The Colts, The NFL Office and the Officiating Crew were complicit in a sting operation to seize The Patriots Game Balls at halftime based upon sketchy allegations from The Ravens and The Jets… Where might this story be? That could have been the story following The Colts to The Super Bowl. Except The Colts got whomped by a better team. So, whatever ‘Standard of Proof’ ends up getting applied to this story needs to identify the peripheral perpetrators who set this train wreck in motion.

  98. daytontriangles says: Jan 27, 2015 9:10 PM

    There is one thing we do have proof of.

    The NFL thought the Patriots were under-inflating their footballs and ran a sting operation to catch them in the act.

    That means they knowingly allowed the integrity of the AFC championship game to be violated by giving the Patriots an entire half of football with a competitive advantage. They could just as easily have checked the footballs again just before kickoff, but they chose to wait.

    When is Goodell going to be held accountable for that?

  99. glen907 says: Jan 27, 2015 9:11 PM

    Hey pats fans forget about the colts balls or the 12th ball defying physics, what about your own back up balls that was put in at halftime and checked at the end of the game, can 1 of you guys please help me with what the spin is on those? thanks in advance
    *********************************************************
    What no takers c’mon pats fans surely the temp outside that day can explain this right? I don’t maybe it’s a conspiracy and the refs fault right, no it was the colts, ravens and jets. hahahaha!!!! GUILTY WITH AN EXPLANATION IS STILL GUILTY

  100. billburke says: Jan 27, 2015 9:12 PM

    So, a ballboy in the bathroom for 90 seconds trumps repeatable simulations by the Patriots? By Headsmart? By ? Pretty sad…If they get fined, I would appeal, then sue for defamation if I were BB and Brady.

  101. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 9:14 PM

    Tskocpol: Right. And that kind if logged data only exists if someone told the officials to log it before the game. If this was a sting, it was terribly planned. A good sting would have had NFL Security guys with eyes on the balls the whole time. The minute the ball sent into the bathroom would have been the time to spring the trap, not halfway through the second quarter .

    In a vice or drug sting the cops don’t let you snort the coke or have “congress” with the freelance hospitality consultant.

  102. billburke says: Jan 27, 2015 9:15 PM

    These are the lasting legacies of BB and Brady…It *must* be a ruling based on facts. There is too much at stake here.

  103. cross300 says: Jan 27, 2015 9:15 PM

    If Goodell doesn’t want to be the next commissioner of the arena league he will be a man for the first time In his life and apologize to Kraft and go on a nice long vacation to hide.

  104. bushwoodcc says: Jan 27, 2015 9:16 PM

    and now we have a source stating the refs didn’t check the footballs with a gauge.

    If the NFL can’t prove the refs checked the footballs then that negates the using a low standard of proof. Using a low standard of proof also requires to eliminate other obvious possibilities.

    Of you have to be as wary of this most recent source and their information as you should have been about all the other leaked information. But given that it seems the refs get worse every year would it surprise you that they just give the balls the squeeze test?

    In all honesty, I hope the refs did screw this up. It will put a lot of pressure on the league to fix all the officiating issues. Time for full time refs and onsite operations staff at games. The league can afford it.

  105. kenberthiaume says: Jan 27, 2015 9:18 PM

    Every physicist says moving a ball from 72 to 48 will lose over 1 psi. Experiments done in universities mimicking rain conditions show 1.5psi loss.

    Which is what they supposedly lost.

    So where is the room for anyone else to remove anything?

    And colt balls were colder at pressure test as they had been outside for days in a bus. Less temperature loss less pressure loss.

  106. canadianpatriotsfan says: Jan 27, 2015 9:18 PM

    Anyone else feel like it all comes down whether or not the refs did their job correctly?

    Is it that far fetched that a 14-plus year veteran officiating crew didn’t bother using gauges to test the balls, because they have done this same routine for years upon years without ever having anyone question game ball pressure before, and elected to instead just use the old hand check method (which they have probably done for plenty of other games as well), to approve each ball? It’s not the Patriots job to test ball pressure. Brady feels which ones he likes, submits them to the officials, who then take over the approval process from there. If those balls were deflated, it’s on them, and that’s the truth. There’s no ball boy using 90 second bathroom break to deflate balls. That’s ridiculous. And it didn’t happen on the sidelines in front of 80 thousand spectators and a ton of NFL Films cameras, and network cameras.

    To me that is the most logical explanation. We are giving the veteran officiating crew the benefit of the doubt because the NFL knows it can’t be leaked to the media that they didn’t do their jobs right. That would be terrible. Therefore they “say” that the balls were correctly checked to save face for their officials under the shield.

  107. js4strings says: Jan 27, 2015 9:18 PM

    How does anyone know about any other team scenario because it has never been brought up or checked? Pressure on other balls could’ve all been low and no one checked.

    Without the starting psi of every ball noted and the room temperature, it is impossible to determine exactly what happened. This is for both the Patriots and Colts. You can’t compare anything with out that info, no matter what the psi was during or after the game.

  108. glen907 says: Jan 27, 2015 9:19 PM

    And let’s talk for a second about Holier-Than-Thou Ray Lewis. You know, the guy that wants to put an asterisk on Brady’s 15 year stellar career. A career that has no black marks…not even jaywalking….

    Ray Lewis: was charged with the murder of two men in Atlanta the night after the 2000 Super Bowl; he ended up pleading guilty to obstruction of justice and testifying against two other defendants who were with him that night.

    That dude should have an asterisk next to his entire life.
    ***********************************************************
    And Trolls like you sure do always bring it up so I guess he does have an * on his life right, the same way BB/TB/KRAFT will always have one besides their accomplishments, does that make you feel any better? why bring up something that happened 15 years ago never mind the fact that those men who were charged was found NOT GUILTY BY WAY OF SELF DEFENSE, could it be your trying to deflect? sherman put it beautifully “their past is what their past is and their present is what their present is” and i’ll add that as long as the Kraft/BB alliance remains their future will be the same

  109. olddirtytruth says: Jan 27, 2015 9:20 PM

    What more evidence do you need then 11 of the 12 balls were illegal. And I dont want to hear any whiney Patriot fanboys excuses that it was cold outside, Colts footballs were in the same cold and stayed legal. Open and shut case!

  110. it's all bs says: Jan 27, 2015 9:20 PM

    fetts81 says:
    Jan 27, 2015 9:03 PM
    All the pat haters need to get out of their dark basement and go do something with your lives. I’m talking the ones that comment in every damn article there is. I feel sorry for your pathetic life filled with envy and jealousy. Now move on
    _______________

    even they don’t believe the stuff they are posting…they are just doing it to irritate the Pats fans….they do it all the time….I’m a Steelers fan…I know all about it:)

    Science doesn’t lie!!!

  111. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 9:21 PM

    Glen907: Its been explained repeatedly. You just haven’t read it. That’s your bad.

  112. pats3rings says: Jan 27, 2015 9:21 PM

    Haha, I can’t belive I even have to type this but there will be NO suspensions.

    Tampering with the footballs after they have been cleared by the refs is a fine, and a small one at that. Even if they burden of proof is low the league will only be able to prove that the balls were deflated, if they can even prove that, and will fine the Patriots as a franchise and not Bill or Tom personally.

    I know this reality is disappointing for some of you but the sooner you except it the sooner you can move on.

  113. kenberthiaume says: Jan 27, 2015 9:23 PM

    The balls put in at halftime had were the first half balls pumped up with more air. Of course they didn’t lose pressure all the air was cold in the balls. Pressure loss is due to warm air in a ball cooling. Cold air has nothing to cool to, it’s already as cold as the outside air.

    Same reason the Colts balls didn’t cool as much and didn’t lose as much pressure as they were cold at the first pressure check. They had just come off a bus where they had assumed ambient air temps.

  114. kenberthiaume says: Jan 27, 2015 9:26 PM

    The ballboy is an nfl employee not a patriots employee.

  115. js4strings says: Jan 27, 2015 9:28 PM

    Glen907- again you have no idea what the backup balls were inflated too, besides I believe that report has also been revised again And that they pumped up the original balls. And I’m sure they took down all the information as to the pressure for every ball. Without that info, everything is total speculation.

  116. armchairqb says: Jan 27, 2015 9:28 PM

    Don’t worry Pats fans … the Super Bowl will be over and you’ll have the trophy before you’re ultimately found guilty. And since it will be the middle of baseball season or the NCAA tournament when this happens, no one will even care. So you can live your little cheating lives and pretend like your titles matter.

  117. bountiesrus says: Jan 27, 2015 9:32 PM

    The proof is already out in the open. Footballs given to officials were properly inflated. Footballs given back to the Patriots were deflated in Patriots custody. Case closed guilty as charged

  118. it's all bs says: Jan 27, 2015 9:34 PM

    armchairqb says:
    Jan 27, 2015 9:28 PM
    Don’t worry Pats fans … the Super Bowl will be over and you’ll have the trophy before you’re ultimately found guilty. And since it will be the middle of baseball season or the NCAA tournament when this happens, no one will even care. So you can live your little cheating lives and pretend like your titles matter.

    ______________

    oh sheesh…..seriously!!!

  119. kenberthiaume says: Jan 27, 2015 9:34 PM

    This is like the movie idiocracy with the stupidest most scientifically illiterate people loudly insisting that the only way for a ball to lose pressure is for someone to take air out.

    They’ve never heard of physics. That’s just mumbo jumbo. They are suspicious of all book learnin’. That’s for high fallutin’ sissy boys.

  120. jchemengr says: Jan 27, 2015 9:34 PM

    Everyone assumes the Colts footballs were warm, from being in the their locker room, before being delivered to the officials. If instead the Colts had them on the field, or in the tunnel or in an equipment truck, space being tight in the visitors locker room, they would already be cold and stay at whatever pressure the officials pumped them too. The same reason all 24 balls stayed inflated in the 2nd half. they were already cold.

  121. worknman24hours says: Jan 27, 2015 9:35 PM

    They should call that last game,”The Colts stayed on the Bus Gate.”

  122. jbreyare says: Jan 27, 2015 9:37 PM

    For all the people using the weather as the reason that the Pats balls being deflated, why were none of the balls at the end of the game under inflated? Kickoff temp was 51 degrees. Much colder in the 2nd half but no balls were under deflated then?

  123. alan226 says: Jan 27, 2015 9:38 PM

    Hey NFL, you have leaked every rumor, conjecture, theory, voodoo, oujia board, magic 8 ball theory against the Patriots. I love the way you leak this stuff with 0 proof. How about some hard facts? And I don’t mean a ball boy taking a leak. Oh, wait. You have given us NOTHING. The NFL is an absolute embarrassment ….

  124. notwhoyouthinkitis says: Jan 27, 2015 9:39 PM

    “pats3rings says: Jan 27, 2015 9:21 PM
    Haha, I can’t belive I even have to type this but there will be NO suspensions.

    Tampering with the footballs after they have been cleared by the refs is a fine, and a small one at that. Even if they burden of proof is low the league will only be able to prove that the balls were deflated, if they can even prove that, and will fine the Patriots as a franchise and not Bill or Tom personally.

    I know this reality is disappointing for some of you but the sooner you except it the sooner you can move on.”
    **********************

    Well first of all, you destroyed whatever credibility you thought you had with “I know this reality…” No, you are expressing an opinion about what you hope occurs (at least in the sense of minimum impact on the Pats if found guilty). Learn the difference.

    Secondly, your rose-colored glasses view of what might (note the word) happen conveniently ignores the quite possible loss of draft picks. I know it is disappointing for you but the sooner you “except” (sic) it, the sooner you can move on.”

  125. bleedsoe9mm says: Jan 27, 2015 9:40 PM

    that level of proof has not been met , not even close .

  126. jchemengr says: Jan 27, 2015 9:43 PM

    If folks understood that is a CHANGE in temperature, rather than the temperature itself that affected the pressure inside a football, they would understand this. It isn’t the temperature, its whether the football cooled off.

    A ball that started at 50 degrees, stayed at 50 degrees and started at 13.5 psig will stay at 13.5 psig.

    A football that started at 72 degrees, cooled to 50 degrees and started at 12.5 psig will deflate to less than 11.5 psig.

  127. pats3rings says: Jan 27, 2015 9:51 PM

    Well first of all, you destroyed whatever credibility you thought you had with “I know this reality…” No, you are expressing an opinion about what you hope occurs (at least in the sense of minimum impact on the Pats if found guilty). Learn the difference.

    Secondly, your rose-colored glasses view of what might (note the word) happen conveniently ignores the quite possible loss of draft picks. I know it is disappointing for you but the sooner you “except” (sic) it, the sooner you can move on.”

    I quote the rule book in regards to the punishment for tampering with footballs….. You quote leaked anonymous sources.

  128. meepmeep172 says: Jan 27, 2015 9:55 PM

    armchairqb says:
    Jan 27, 2015 9:28 PM
    Don’t worry Pats fans … the Super Bowl will be over and you’ll have the trophy before you’re ultimately found guilty. And since it will be the middle of baseball season or the NCAA tournament when this happens, no one will even care.

    ___________

    Exactly! And afterwards, like the Roadrunner, I will say, “Meep Meep!” Stick my tongue out at sore losers like you and LMAO!

  129. midunno2012 says: Jan 27, 2015 9:57 PM

    Why is this a story???? Be serious people…this is only about these know it all reporters … It has NO bearing on the game of football…

  130. justintuckrule says: Jan 27, 2015 10:02 PM

    @meepmeep – the 11 footballs are the “dead body”!!!

    You pats fans are such easy targets. So much for the great Massachusetts school system. Maybe they’re cheating too!

  131. pats3rings says: Jan 27, 2015 10:03 PM

    Honestly, for me the best part of all of this is how much this Super Bowl kills the Patriots haters.

    Now I feel bad for the true football fans who just want the league to get to the bottom of this before the Super Bowl because if the league has solid proof that the Patriots tampered with the footballs I think we can all agree that they should be punished before the game. The level of punishment however would be much harder to agree on.

    But the haters think the Patriots are cheaters no matter what the outcome is of the NFL’s investigation and it kills them the Patriots are going to play in the game. They know the league WOULD NEVER suspended Brady or Belicheck for the Super Bowl and if they win they league won’t be vacating any wins no matter what the outcome is of the investigation. And that’s drives them nuts. The thought of the Patriots having 4 Lombardi trophies is almost too much to bear.

  132. kissbillsrings says: Jan 27, 2015 10:03 PM

    I actually pray that Roger makes an enemy of Kraft….
    When the rest of the Nfl owners see that they won’t be fare behind& thus Roger goes bye bye

  133. tskocpol says: Jan 27, 2015 10:04 PM

    About a League “sting” I doubt this was planned. Colts complained, and they lept in, assuming footballs in range at start would measure in range at half time — or else misconduct. They thought they would discover Pats malfeasance fast. But they did not. League honchos unleashed a media witch hunt and now they are in a fix. Wells is hired to drag this out and deflect criticism.

  134. FoozieGrooler says: Jan 27, 2015 10:07 PM

    Anyone notice how the reasonable and objective Pats fans (both of them) are always saying “let’s see what the investigation turns up before passing judgement..
    but as soon as Kraft ignores this same advise and starts proclaiming innocence and demanding apologies, now it’s OK?

  135. ikeclanton says: Jan 27, 2015 10:08 PM

    Patriots organization: “Anyway, since we seem to be out of witnesses, I thought I’d drink a little”

    NFL: “I still think we can win”

    Patriots: “Maybe you should drink a little.”

  136. mschurm1 says: Jan 27, 2015 10:15 PM

    I’m not a Pats fan, but if the league is going to punish the Pats, they should have to prove that they actually did something wrong. The standard shouldn’t be, “They must have done something wrong because we don’t know what else could have happened.”

  137. thundersnacker says: Jan 27, 2015 10:19 PM

    Mr. Wright 212 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:31 PM

    smasonsmith says:
    Jan 27, 2015 8:02 PM
    They don’t even have that right now.

    They have low pressure balls on a cold day and a ball attendant (who may or may not be a NEP employee) using the toilet for 90 seconds.
    ———–

    Stop with this cold day stuff. The Giants footballs weren’t deflated in below zero temperatures in Green Bay. It was 40 degrees in Foxborough that day. Stop it already.
    ===================
    Living in Manhattan, Mr. Wright does not know anything about tire pressure (or therelated physics in the northeast). He walks, rides the bus, rides the subway, or lets someone else drive. He only knows that when his Giants are doing well, he has more (bandwagon) friends. He’s grumpy and needs to take out his frustrations out on Patriots threads because he had no friends this season.

  138. boomgrounder says: Jan 27, 2015 10:20 PM

    Tom Brady prefers deflated footballs per his own words and 11 out of 12 Patriots footballs were illegally deflated. Guilty as charged! 2nd offense for cheating and they won’t come forward and own up to their own misdeeds so I would suspend Brady for the 1st 4 regular season games of 2016 and fine him 1 Million Bucks, suspend Belichick for the entire 2016 season effective immediately following the Super Bowl and fine him 1 Million Bucks, The Patriots Organization would forfeit their 1st Round Draft Pick for 2016 and would be required to operate under a hard cap of 10% less than the rest of the NFL beginning with the start of the 2016 season. Belichick would be required to be evaluated for any mental health disorders and treated if found to have any by psychologists who specialize in the field of diagnosis and treatment of pathological liars. Robert Kraft would be banned from inviting NFL officials and executives to his home due to the appearance of a conflict of interest. He would also be required to pay a 31 Million Dollar fine for his lack of leadership in his franchise that has lead to chronic cheating and casted a poor light on the NFL and the other 31 NFL franchises who follow the rules. If tbe Patriots are caught cheating again while Brady, Belichick and/or Kraft are a part of the Patriots Franchise the New England Patriots will be permanently banned from the NFL.

  139. lukedunphysscienceproject says: Jan 27, 2015 10:24 PM

    I have long stopped caring about deflategate. I have long stopped caring about this Super Bowl in general.

    This has been the most dreary and mind numbing lead up to a SB that has occurred in my lifetime, and I’m old. I have been so unable to find any reasonably interesting analysis about the game itself that I have literally lost the ability to care who wins or loses.

    I find myself reduced to hoping the commercials are funny.

  140. tigerlilac says: Jan 27, 2015 10:24 PM

    Lizzy Borden

    The Chicago Black Sox

    The Chicago Seven and Kent State

    The Vietnam War

    The Kennedy Assassination

    The Marin Luther King Assassination

    The Medgar Evers Assassination

    The Malcolm X assassination

    All were subject to investigaiton

  141. j0esixpack says: Jan 27, 2015 10:24 PM

    You know, with all the “cheating” going on by Belichick, and the ball boy and Brady etc.

    And ALL the players and coaches and equipment managers who have been through New England and have either retired or wound up on competing teams

    You’d think that ONE of them would have stepped forward to confirm that there was cheating of ANY sort in the past 15 years

    But there’s NOT ONE who has said anything… the best you’ve got is that Belichick violated at 2006 rule on camera placement in 2007 (so of course the “logical voices” here assert that violating a 2006 rule invalidates 2001-2004 Super Bowls)

  142. meepmeep172 says: Jan 27, 2015 10:29 PM

    justintuckrule says:
    Jan 27, 2015 10:02 PM
    @meepmeep – the 11 footballs are the “dead body”!!!
    ________

    Hey JustinTuck … aka Raven’s loser sores…. a dead body is not the same as footballs with negligible deflation. The footballs were still alive and an in use and their “lack of inflation” wasn’t never noticed by the Quarterback, The Officials, nor the dude that intercepted the ball (Jackson).

    Hardly a dead body… but nice try……

    MEEP MEEP!

  143. icebowler says: Jan 27, 2015 10:33 PM

    Solution going forward: The balls should be verified much closer to game time. Then the footballs should be stored in a temperature controlled box on the sidelines so that they don’t gain or lose psi during the game. A new ball will be used to start each new drive. The boxes could have gauges which are monitored by the instant replay ref.

  144. rcali says: Jan 27, 2015 10:34 PM

    In this case, the buck stops at Tommy Uggs. 1 year suspension and we’ll be done with QB’s manipulating the most important piece of equipment on the field in bathrooms.

  145. gimmeabruschi says: Jan 27, 2015 10:36 PM

    The NFL has ZERO evidence that New England caused the deflation.

  146. superslugg says: Jan 27, 2015 10:40 PM

    You mean a standard of no proof. No proof of anything. No proof of the breaking of one rule. No disproof of natural causes. Just accusations. Can’t beat em on the field just slander them apparently.

  147. superslugg says: Jan 27, 2015 10:42 PM

    Also quit calling it deflated if you can’t prove that it was ever inflated properly

  148. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 10:45 PM

    For all the people using the weather as the reason that the Pats balls being deflated, why were none of the balls at the end of the game under inflated? Kickoff temp was 51 degrees. Much colder in the 2nd half but no balls were under deflated then?
    ====
    Because the football was already cold. Resistance to temperature change is called specific heat and it’s a property of mass. In a football, most of the mass is in the leather and the bladder. If the leather wasn’t at room temp when the balls were refilled, any air going in and measurent would be a cold measurement. Cold measurement means less temperature delta to outside, and thus less pressure lost.

  149. meepmeep172 says: Jan 27, 2015 10:47 PM

    And let’s talk about the Integrity of John Harbaugh, the SNITCH who started this whole thing. Seems he likes a different standard for his players. Here is a little excerpt from a PFT article on July 24th of this year:

    Ravens coach John Harbaugh is standing behind running back Ray Rice, who was suspended for the first two games of the regular season for assaulting his wife.

    Harbaugh said today that he and his team would get past the suspension and continue to support Rice, one of the team’s veteran leaders.

    “It’s not a big deal, it’s just part of the process,” Harbaugh said, via ESPN. “There are consequences when you make a mistake like that. I stand behind Ray. He’s a heck of a guy. He’s done everything right since. He makes a mistake, alright? He’s going to have to pay a consequence. I think that’s good for kids to understand it works that way. That’s how it works, that’s how it should be.”

    To many, Harbaugh’s comments will come off as too supportive of Rice, and not reflective enough of the gravity of the situation. That’s also a criticism the Ravens as a franchise received when they arranged a press conference for Rice and his wife in May. Whether Harbaugh meant it this way or not, calling Rice’s crime a “mistake” suggests that it was a relatively minor transgression, and saying that it’s good for kids to learn from it suggests that there’s some kind of silver lining to this story. Harbaugh’s comments struck the wrong note.

  150. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 10:51 PM

    About a League “sting” I doubt this was planned. Colts complained, and they lept in, assuming footballs in range at start would measure in range at half time — or else misconduct. They thought they would discover Pats malfeasance fast. But they did not. League honchos unleashed a media witch hunt and now they are in a fix. Wells is hired to drag this out and deflect criticism.
    =====

    I want to give the league more credit than that. I want to believe that the league knows about the Ideal Gas Law. They can’t be so ig’nant that they missed that, could they?

  151. jimsnchz says: Jan 27, 2015 10:56 PM

    I’m 100% sure that everry team in the NFL does something. Scuffed, deflated, inflated balls. Adderall or other PED’s. Stick ’em on sideline towels. Watch signals and try to crack the code. This is just lame. If Tom likes the balls at 12.5 so they fall under the letter of the law when outside, big deal. Perhaps Luck likes to over inflate so they are 12.5 after the elements, is that possible?

  152. glen907 says: Jan 27, 2015 10:57 PM

    But there’s NOT ONE who has said anything… the best you’ve got is that Belichick violated at 2006 rule on camera placement in 2007 (so of course the “logical voices” here assert that violating a 2006 rule invalidates 2001-2004 Super Bowls)
    ***********************************************************

    Eric Mangina, and these are RODGER GOODELL WORDS: Goodell also told Specter that Belichick privately informed him during the initial investigation that the taping practices dated back to when Belichick took over as the Patriots head coach in 2000.”

  153. cobrala2 says: Jan 27, 2015 10:58 PM

    Only lawyers think such things.

  154. dlk47823 says: Jan 27, 2015 10:58 PM

    The person of interest is not some part time, teenage intern. he’s a 50 year old man with 25 years on the payroll. been there allot longer than BB or TB. HE KNEW WHAT TO DO.

  155. carloswlassiter says: Jan 27, 2015 10:58 PM

    glen907 says: Jan 27, 2015 9:11 PM

    Hey pats fans forget about the colts balls or the 12th ball defying physics, what about your own back up balls that was put in at halftime and checked at the end of the game, can 1 of you guys please help me with what the spin is on those? thanks in advance
    *********************************************************
    What no takers c’mon pats fans surely the temp outside that day can explain this right?
    ————————————————————-
    Unless you know the starting PSI of the Colts balls and the Patriots balls (all of them – regular and back up), you have no idea if anything “defied physics”. Most likely scenario is that every single ball in use by either team lost 1 PSI during that game, but some started higher than others.

  156. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 11:02 PM

    907: If something was made illegal in 2006, then it was legal before.

  157. bspurloc says: Jan 27, 2015 11:03 PM

    .
    ballghazi…

  158. wahoo21 says: Jan 27, 2015 11:14 PM

    some of the comments on this topic are borderline ignorant

  159. 8oneanddones says: Jan 27, 2015 11:15 PM

    What’s next, they reenact the 90 seconds in the restroom?

  160. j0esixpack says: Jan 27, 2015 11:17 PM

    Eric Mangina, and these are RODGER GOODELL WORDS: Goodell also told Specter that Belichick privately informed him during the initial investigation that the taping practices dated back to when Belichick took over as the Patriots head coach in 2000.”

    —————-

    THANK YOU 🙂

    as you note it was PERFECTLY LEGAL THEN

    The rule changed in 2006

    So is the conspiracy theory of the haters that Belichick KNEW in 2001 that the rule would change in 2006?

    I don’t think even Belichick can predict the future – but you may be right – he could be just THAT GOOD!

  161. pondbridge says: Jan 27, 2015 11:20 PM

    Have fun having the entire NFL potentially being thrown under the antitrust bus by Kraft and maybe also Kronke, Goodell, if your kangaroo court even THINKS of trying to convict based on flimsy evidence being made up by your incompetent Keystone Kops internal investigators in New York. Kraft plays hardball, and knows what he’s doing, unlike you, Kommissioner. One positive: the prime topic of Spring 2015 NFL meetings will NOT be this contrived ‘deflategate’ NON-issue, it will be choosing your successor. Your Titantic of an organization has just hit the iceberg. Don’t let the door hit your butt on the way out. We (won’t) miss you.

  162. purplefaithful says: Jan 27, 2015 11:22 PM

    Did the refs actually use a pressure gauge? With the weather and wetness, you’d expect almost a 2 psi drop. Stretching the leather by falling on it and the like should do the rest. Far more likely the colts cheated. Ideal gas law and basic science say so. You are all idiots. What were the refs recorded air pressure before the game for those colts balls? We’re they even checked? Wetness of the ball would have expanded the leather lowering air pressure as would simply getting tackled on the ball.

  163. purplefaithful says: Jan 27, 2015 11:24 PM

    Oh and the back up balls were not brought outside until after they were checked at halftime.

  164. thesportsjudge says: Jan 27, 2015 11:25 PM

    The preponderance of idiocy is over whelming. To not only NAME an ALLEGED(nothing has been proven) infraction “Deflategate” but to include the equally idiotic fad # before the name REALLY shows the depths society has fallen. Slaves. Slaves to fads. Slaves to sensationalism. Slaves to objectionable “journalism.” I feel baaaad for the sheep who fall for all this garbage.

    Good luck Lemmings!

  165. thesportsjudge says: Jan 27, 2015 11:32 PM

    boomgrounder says: Jan 27, 2015 10:20 PM

    Tom Brady prefers deflated footballs per his own words and 11 out of 12 Patriots footballs were illegally deflated. Guilty as charged! 2nd offense for cheating and they won’t come forward and own up to their own misdeeds so I would suspend Brady for the 1st 4 regular season games of 2016 and fine him 1 Million Bucks, suspend Belichick for the entire 2016 season effective immediately following the Super Bowl and fine him 1 Million Bucks, The Patriots Organization would forfeit their 1st Round Draft Pick for 2016 and would be required to operate under a hard cap of 10% less than the rest of the NFL beginning with the start of the 2016 season. Belichick would be required to be evaluated for any mental health disorders and treated if found to have any by psychologists who specialize in the field of diagnosis and treatment of pathological liars. Robert Kraft would be banned from inviting NFL officials and executives to his home due to the appearance of a conflict of interest. He would also be required to pay a 31 Million Dollar fine for his lack of leadership in his franchise that has lead to chronic cheating and casted a poor light on the NFL and the other 31 NFL franchises who follow the rules. If tbe Patriots are caught cheating again while Brady, Belichick and/or Kraft are a part of the Patriots Franchise the New England Patriots will be permanently banned from the NFL.

    boomgrounder….you think NE is the ONLY team that “cheats?” I think YOU need to be checked for mental stability.

  166. meepmeep172 says: Jan 27, 2015 11:34 PM

    “Low standard of proof applies to #DeflateGate”

    Low standard of journalist integrity applies to this article. Fear mongering at its worst.

  167. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 11:35 PM

    Most people don’t bring instruments of work to the bathroom with them postal workers, cooks, musicians, nearly everyone except plumbers.
    ===
    I have actually seen postmen carry the mail into restrooms. You can bet that “the nuclear football” goes with its carrier when he goes to the can. If you’re responsible for couriering something from point A to point B, you keep it in sight.

  168. skinsandstars says: Jan 27, 2015 11:35 PM

    Here is a thought. Every action on the field changes the ball. Everything it’s spiked, every time there is a pile up on a ball. So take the weather change, and what happens to it on the field, and that could make a big difference. And also, that the 12th ball may not have even been used.

    And I’m sorry but 45-7, even if they deflated the balls. That doesn’t not make you win by that much. The colts didn’t even show up.

    One last point, do you know how many teams do alter their balls? This is more common and has been for a long time. Over inflating, under inflating, scuffing the balls. None of this is anything new. Competition brings out the use of tricks of the trade. The league needs to monitor this more, and check the balls more before during and after a game before I feel they can say a team did it and punish them. Science can easily show they did nothing to them. Or refs not doing their job right. Fact of the matter, this didn’t change the game. And admitting it does nothing but degrade the nfl and the game itself. Just move on and let’s get this Super Bowl rolling.

  169. ikeclanton says: Jan 27, 2015 11:38 PM

    The ending of this ridiculous “investigation” will be–you guessed it–insufficient evidence to conclude anything. The scene from the Pats locker room before the game Sunday:

    Belichick: (pacing back and forth) “You all saw it this week. They came at us: gloves off, unfounded accusations–they challenged the Pats!”

    Brady: “Called us names…”

    Belichick: “Called us names!!”

    Brady: “…but Bob (Kraft) was there”

    Belichick: “Bob’s a killer!”

  170. smasonsmith says: Jan 27, 2015 11:40 PM

    Most people don’t bring instruments of work to the bathroom with them postal workers, cooks, musicians, nearly everyone except plumbers.
    ===
    Further, in my line of work we conduct survey visits. If you’re visiting a respondent, and have to use the restroom, you’re supposed to take you equipment and materials with you to the restroom.

  171. justintuckrule says: Jan 27, 2015 11:42 PM

    @meepmeep – not a Ravens fan. Actually a fan of the team that thanks yours for 2 rings and could care less if yours deflates balls.

    The pats lackey either deflated the balls in the bathroom or they were filled in a sauna so the pressure would drop. Either way, the pats are just as guilty as hermandez. Actually, Hernandez had two other murder possibilities driving with him in the car.

  172. beachsidejames says: Jan 27, 2015 11:43 PM

    Seahawks vs The Cheaters. Cheaters still favored by 1. Can the Seahawks beat a team that cheats?

  173. kissbillsrings says: Jan 27, 2015 11:47 PM

    Over/under on how many more headlines PFT will post on this before the Super Bowl ? 15

  174. aljack88 says: Jan 27, 2015 11:57 PM

    glen907 says:

    “….the fact that those men who were charged was found NOT GUILTY BY WAY OF SELF DEFENSE..”

    ===================================

    I can respect debates that are based on facts.
    But what’s really sad about you troll posters is that you make no effort what so ever to even attempt to google information on whatever it is you try to blurb about. I’ll give you a hint: the double murder is still an “open case”.

    If PFT and all the other media circus was in place back in 2000, do you really think Lewis would have been able to get to where he is now? Do you think the “deal” he made with the Atlanta DA wouldn’t have come under much more deserved scrutiny?

  175. marthajoy7 says: Jan 28, 2015 12:19 AM

    Here is what I understand the deflategate levels to be.
    One football within specs,
    10 footballs about 1 lb under spec
    1 football 2 lbs under spec.
    What this all means is that it was not weather that caused the low pressures.
    What this does mean, is that whomever deflated the balls, intended to deflate all 12 footballs, but goofed up big time and deflated one of the balls twice. Leaving one football within spec. without this goof they might have gotten away with the weather being the cause of the deflated footballs.

  176. whiningtrolls says: Jan 28, 2015 12:30 AM

    YOU TROLLS ARE FUNNY….
    But seriously you need to man up and apologize to ALL Patriot fans for being TROLLS…

    New England Patriots are TRUE. Red, white and blue and all you can do is drool………

  177. jjfootball says: Jan 28, 2015 12:31 AM

    THE LEAGUE IS CORRUPT, IF THEY DON’T COME DOWN HARD ON THIS SHADY ORGANIZATION!

    DRAFT PICKS & SUSPENSIONS STARTING NEXT SEASON.

  178. warrensip says: Jan 28, 2015 12:40 AM

    What’s the standard of proof needed to prove New England tampered with a Pittsburgh Steelers player? Throw a huge enough tantrum so no one will touch you and the Pats will scoop you up, just keep it all on the down low.

    and smile.

    The Patriots cry about the Jets and Revis…. There is a huge chance they had contact with a player that forced himself to be cut as a quitter to end up in New England

  179. aljack88 says: Jan 28, 2015 12:43 AM

    boomgrounder – but what about the 2015 season?

  180. radiosavage says: Jan 28, 2015 12:51 AM

    I’m finding it harder and harder to be outraged by this…and it’s time to pump the breaks on the whole “integrity of the game” thing.

    If tampering with the footballs after official inspection was such an egregious assault on the “integrity of the game” as so many have suggested, then why is the minimum fine only $25,000? Individual players can be fined more than that as first time offenders for certain on-the-field infractions – shouldn’t something that so seriously compromises the “integrity of the game” come with a much stiffer minimum penalty?

    Translation: it doesn’t affect the game as much as the ex-jocks paid to fill up TV time want you to think it does.

  181. getakluwe says: Jan 28, 2015 12:58 AM

    Beli-cheat.

  182. zinger92 says: Jan 28, 2015 3:25 AM

    Why would he take the game balls into the bathroom? 1. That’s just plain unsanitary. 2. He must have REALLY had to go and couldn’t hold it for 5 more minutes. And 3. He doctored the balls. The fact that people are still denying any wrong doing just proves biased people can be.

    The sad truth is there will never be any hard evidence unless that employee admits what we all know really happened. So for the rest of history, the entire world will consider the Patriots success a manipulation of the integrity of the game, and New Englanders will still deny any wrong doing and lay claims of jealousy.

    Winter storm Juno is just God’s way of punishing NE. He knew what happened.

    (im not seriously saying God punished NE, Im not religious at all, just thought its funny)

  183. largentthanlife says: Jan 28, 2015 3:58 AM

    jchemengr says:
    Jan 27, 2015 9:43 PM

    If folks understood that is a CHANGE in temperature, rather than the temperature itself that affected the pressure inside a football, they would understand this. It isn’t the temperature, its whether the football cooled off.

    A ball that started at 50 degrees, stayed at 50 degrees and started at 13.5 psig will stay at 13.5 psig.

    A football that started at 72 degrees, cooled to 50 degrees and started at 12.5 psig will deflate to less than 11.5 psig.

    _____________________________

    I understand that. I understand that could explain why the Colts balls weren’t as affected.
    I still don’t get how the 12 Pats balls that all went through the same changes in temperature could only change the pressure in 11 of them. Seems fishy to me, but I’ll still wait for the conclusion of the investigation to make up my own mind. I’m in no hurry to punish anyone. I’m still not CONVINCED they tampered with the balls. I am skeptical though.

  184. dddriver5000 says: Jan 28, 2015 4:01 AM

    I am interested in what some of you Patriot fans have to say about this post. I btw am a Packers fan (Yes it still hurts), and have no bias in this issue. I like Tom Brady and think your coach is truly one of the best ever. But here is my two cents, in my opinion the odds are 60-40 that they cheated. Again I hope its proven they did not but the Pats only have themselves to blame for this mess, because I truly believe if they didn’t do the spygate thing, this would have been a minor SB story (Prob a fine and stern warning) The circumstantial evidence is pretty bad, you got 12 Colts balls, that were checked and seemed fine, you got the kickers ball thats fine and the other 11 that the pats offence would use or did, the psi was proven to change. You have got scientists looking at studies that say if you were to have a underinflated ball, fumbling it (the ball) would be of great benefit for whoever use them on offense. The pats not just one year but year after year (7 years in a row) have a coincidence level that would be like winning the lottery as far as losing the football fumble wise(His words not mine). Also now we have a ball boy (Equipment guy) who could have easily had 11 balls waiting for him in that restroom and just swapped them out in 90 seconds, btw for all you guys saying its not that unusual for someone to use the bathroom (duh … most people do use them) what seems strange to me how many people pee, get done, wash their hands etc, etc in just 90 seconds! Go to any restaraunt and tell me how many people are in there for 90 seconds? (Thats really suspicious personally) Again I hope the pats didn’t cheat and heres why, if someone squeals or they find hard evidence, after all these denials and the pats arrogance with the denials, if they do find out they cheated. you are going to have to ban coach and qb for life, that right for good. I know alot of you are saying no way but the nfl will have no choice but to hammer the pats to the wall after all these denials and arrogance. Not only that but all the other superbowls victories (pats) will be worthless among fans and sportwriters, media alike, if their found out to be guilty at this point. I really hope the pats are found out with unequivocally evidence that there clean because if there found out to be truly guilty its going to be really ugly for anything to do with the Patriots. But the way the fans and team acts as far as deny this it reminds me of a little problem in Wisconsin we had a few years ago with a guy named Ryan Braun (same type of denials and attitude), it takes awhile but the truth always comes out, it just takes awhile sometimes. Good Luck Pats but after watching the Hawks beat us I really believe the pats are going to get blown out, but I hope I am wrong ad the pats get a little justice for my Packers…..

  185. RegisHawk says: Jan 28, 2015 6:44 AM

    The ball-boy used the bathroom on 2 separate trips with 12 balls. I’m waiting for some story to be leaked out about his prostate. Maybe Joe Theisman can help sort this case out…

  186. yette1 says: Jan 28, 2015 6:52 AM

    A couple things: The paragraph in the rule book about inflation requirement for the footballs expressly states a penalty of $25,000, so if the rule applies, the penalty stated with the rule should also apply.

    Also, court require a preponderance of EVIDENCE! That means not what PFT and ESPN have been “reporting” on this story, that means FACTS! Wondering what happened behind a closed door is not a FACT, that’s called supposition and is not permitted in a court of law.

  187. afwhigs says: Jan 28, 2015 7:29 AM

    If the NFL wants to punish the Pats, they should – within the established rules, which is a $25k fine for altering a football out of regulation.

    If Goodell wants to create some sort of mega-punishment without true proof of intent, then I have a problem with that. He went totally overboard with spygate (without even reviewing the evidence), and hopefully he won’t do so again.

    This is such nonsense.

  188. afwhigs says: Jan 28, 2015 7:35 AM

    boomgrounder says: Jan 27, 2015 10:20 PM

    “…Tom Brady prefers deflated footballs per his own words…”
    ——————————————–

    My GOD people – Brady made an off the cuff JOKE four years ago while discussing Gronk spiking the ball. It wasn’t an in depth discussion of how he likes the football inflated. Holding that up as some sort of evidence of ANYTHING is absurd.

    I’m not a Pats fan and I don’t care either way, but the fact that the Pats haters will use anything and everything as supposed “evidence” of something gets old really fast.

  189. letsgobuffalo4 says: Jan 28, 2015 7:45 AM

    Pats fans keep grasping at straws: “well they didnt say EXACTLY how underinflated the balls were”- ummm you dont launch a full scale investigation and interview 40 ppl in 1 week for a ball thats .2 psi under. And if weather was at all a possibility then this case would be over. Goodell would love to find a way out of punishing kraft. Also as for the “did they use a guage to measure the balls?” the nfl statement said the balls were tested “correctly”, that means the ref didnt toss it up in the air and say ‘yep, thats between 12.5 and 13.5 psi’ lol. All signs point to guilt. Motive- deflated balls are easier to hold onto AND brady himself said he prefers them like that. Timeing: a PATRIOTS employee took the ball into the ONLY area where camera’s are not allowed after they were properly checked. And nfl has stated the balls were tested to be underinflated in the first half of the game. Im not Columbo………but case closed. There arent 100 coincidences here- the cheaters cheated again.

  190. letsgobuffalo4 says: Jan 28, 2015 7:54 AM

    I am not a pats fan (obviously) but i think they would have beat the Colts no matter what! Having said that, they should have never even played them. Would the pats have beat the ravens without cheating? They won by 3. Not to mention other games won. Pats fans saying “well if we beat the seahawks with regulation balllls then we proved we’re good enough. Ummm, thats one game. In that case the Cowboys, Chargers, Chiefs and RAMS are all super bowl winning teams b/c they beat the seahawks in ONE game with regulation balls. You shouldnt even get an attempt to beat or lose to the seahawks- thats the point. Pats were so much better than everyone at not fumbling (which deflated balls help with that) over the last 5 yrs that ppl did the math- to be THAT good the odds are .0000616 , so either they basically won the lottery the last 5 years, or there was some foul play. One seems much more likelier.

  191. bencoates57 says: Jan 28, 2015 8:06 AM

    I think it’s good news. It means the Patriots will forever say that the fact they were sanctioned does not mean they were guilty.

  192. bencoates57 says: Jan 28, 2015 8:09 AM

    “The pats lackey either deflated the balls in the bathroom or they were filled in a sauna so the pressure would drop.”

    ————————————–

    No proof yet. The league cannot hold the Pats responsible for loopholes in its own protocol. If the Pats did not break with protocol in having this individual migrate the balls unescorted, then I don’t see how the league can hold the Pats responsible.

    The Pats will point this out and they will win.

  193. grogantomorgan says: Jan 28, 2015 8:10 AM

    How does the NFL and the media save face ?

    Come out and say there a low threshold of proof required.

    Still no evidence, science has bunked the low psi in the footballs so what now ….

    Apologize and hope you keep your job !

  194. baddegg says: Jan 28, 2015 8:22 AM

    Why are all of you celebrating the fact that an organization can punish someone without definitive proof? If this happened to you at your job you would be outraged.

  195. neardeadinoh says: Jan 28, 2015 8:27 AM

    I am not a Pats fan but this witch hunt is bordering on insanity. I am starting to believe the NFL and Goodell want this kind of wild speculation, without facts. I mean if this really was a sting op by the NFL they blew it badly and the ONLY reason Goodell is allowing the Pats to be destroyed by the media and other team fans and players is a huge cover up for his own stupidity. If I run a sting, I have both teams balls measured precisely for psi and recorded before either team touches them. Then at halftime those same footballs are measured AND recorded again. The next day I put out a report showing factual evidence that either exonerates or crucifys the Pats with facts. Unless of course the psi loss is equal for both teams except the Pats psi was lower to begin with making their footballs outside the range of the lower specification. Seems to me not only did Goodell sanction allow a possible infraction of the rules during the AFC Championship but he encouraged what he believed was tampering. In a championship game!! This whole media mess is completely on Goodell. Not the potential cheating (and until I see some evidence from the NFL, it really is only alleged, last time I heard guilt has to be proven and the assumption of innocence prevails, Oh unless you are a Patriot) but all this crazy they cheated talk by fans, media former whiny players, and all those that foam at the mouth over anything regarding NE. Its PURE speculation people! Will you just roast t BB & TB on a stick and get over it? Good Lord I can’t wait to read something about the actual GAME!!

  196. jetfan74 says: Jan 28, 2015 8:40 AM

    @smasonsmith

    And in the real world where normal people have a job to do, they use the bathroom BEFORE they start their work. If you have a lengthy meeting you go BEFORE IT BEGINS. The fact that the employee chose to do this after starting his work is irresponsible on his part, but the fact that he chose a one person private bathroom w/ a lock looks awfully suspicious. Since we are relating jobs, I drive nearly 3 hours to start my day and I may go before I start but mostly after I complete my trip due to the nature of what I am hauling. Sound like I can relate to the ball boys job here? It’s A and B with no stops in between!!!! It’s inexcusable and that’s how it should be looked at.

  197. billsfan1 says: Jan 28, 2015 8:42 AM

    Apparently some radio station, in NYC perhaps, (Unsure as I heard it locally on the sports talk show), says that they did the 90 sec deflate test and they were able to do it in under that time…. in about 40 sec. actually.
    SO there is the rebuttal to all your examples of Jim-Bob from Shrewsbury performing his own scientific test.
    The Pats did it and everybody knows. BB is also the master at deception (ask his wife) and knows that the punishment will amount to nothing compared to the advantage gained….

  198. xavierl1976 says: Jan 28, 2015 8:52 AM

    Losing faith in folks. However this turns out, it is disgusting to see people presuming guilt before innocence. It is disgusting to see people assaulting the character of others before they have sufficient evidence to do so. It’s disgusting that people don’t take at least a few moments to investigate facts on their own. So much to learn still, major lack of information provided by NFL, which admits it hasn’t figured it out. All the people directly involved, Colts, Pats, NFL, admin, etc. admit they don’t have it figured out – only possibilities. Yet, a bunch of folks who know every little proclaim to be smarter than everyone else and string up the accused. Disgusting.

  199. xavierl1976 says: Jan 28, 2015 8:57 AM

    It is especially disgusting when there is simple science to explain the deflated balls. People don’t want to believe it because it is more salacious to have a story about cheating. That is sad. For the smarter, decent folk on here, the science follows….

    The reality is that every football in every cold weather game loses PSI, it is simple science. And if you had been suspect of a team and measured a ball immediately at halftime you would see it below the range. The only way for that not to occur would be if the ball was overinflated, inflated at high end of range, or was reweighted much later after the ball had warmed back up. It’s that simple, and there is no debate, it is fact proven by science and empirical data.

    Dozens of respected scientists have performed this analysis and while there are differences in their views on the exact PSI (most have been in the range of 1 to 2 PSI given a 25-30 degree temp differential) and equation assumptions, there is no difference in the basic premise that a change in temperature reduces PSI. Separate from equation crunchers, HeadSmart Labs of Pittsburgh actually took the time to run a simulated experiment using conditions involved at the game showing a 1.9 PSI drop.

    Simple science, no foul play required.

  200. kepdogg23 says: Jan 28, 2015 9:07 AM

    Pats fans towards everyone that thinks they’re guilty, “Can we wait until we hear all the evidence”.

    Pats fans defending their beloved team, “Temperature change, spiking the ball, the guy just took his balls into the bathroom to pee, we are owed an apology, Belichick gave a great presentation on atmospheric pressure, we would have won anyway, at least our team doesn’t employ a wife beater, the Hernandez case is still open and we cut him right away, Witchhunt!!”

    I will admit, the Patriots, and a majority of their fans annoy the crap out of me. Punishment or not, it is great to see Belichick, Brady, and all the obnoxious fans in such a predicament!!

  201. nflnfl13 says: Jan 28, 2015 9:10 AM

    Better get ready for some horrendous qb throws next year and a lot of dropped footballs by receivers and backs. Many more fumbles are also on the way next year. No doubt one of the outcomes of this deflategate scandal is the first time ANY qb is going to touch the game football next year is after the opening kickoff. Those balls are going to be brand new out of the box and never touched by anybody and an NFL official (extra spare ref already present) will have possession of them right up to the opening kickoff. Problem solved.

  202. beachsidejames says: Jan 28, 2015 9:12 AM

    Low standard of proof for a team with low standards. Arrogant cheaters and liars that need to be punished.

  203. flaccotoboldin says: Jan 28, 2015 9:12 AM

    xavierl1976 – Fox News much?

    Science is science. There is not way the Patriots balls should have any different change in PSI than what the Colts balls have.

    By indirect reports, that seems to be the case.

    now- IF, IF we find out the Colts balls dropped a similar amount, that says something different. But I’m highly doubting thats what we find.

    Because common sense and current reports both say different.

  204. sbchampsagain says: Jan 28, 2015 9:21 AM

    The Patriots were already caught cheating per the NFL rules.

    They were using footballs not up to spec. in the AFC CG.

    Seems like everyone outside of Boston has read the rulebook.

  205. sbchampsagain says: Jan 28, 2015 9:22 AM

    If it walks like a duck, it’s a under-inflated duck.

  206. weepingjebus says: Jan 28, 2015 9:43 AM

    Low standard of intelligence, too.

  207. tskocpol says: Jan 28, 2015 9:45 AM

    Here is the problem many of you do not seem to recognize. The rule book does NOT require teams to maintain ball pressure throughout games. They certainly cannot deliberately take pressure out of the precertified range, but innuendo apart, no one has come close yet as far as we know to proving the Patriots deliberately did that. It is the referees’ responsibility to put good balls in front of players, and all of us have seen them switch balls on TV in many games. They had the chief responsibility here to remove low pressure balls if it was so obvious. Apparently it was not.

  208. sbchampsagain says: Jan 28, 2015 9:52 AM

    So if the Patriots push the boundaries and are exactly within the law of the rules (when it comes to substitutions and eligible players) it’s legal.

    But when the Patriots push the boundaries and are exactly outside the law of the rules (when it comes to footballs/equipment) it’s legal too?

    Can’t have it both ways, Pats fans.

  209. evilpatsrule says: Jan 28, 2015 9:54 AM

    In other words, the NFL leaked information throughout it’s investigation, and now that it’s pretty clear it was just the weather and the fact that the officials did not check the balls the way they claimed they had, they’re going to drop the hammer on the Patriots anyway so that they don’t look like the morons, even though they will still look like morons and only the other morons will think the Patriots deserve the punishment they will be getting even though they didn’t do anything wrong.

  210. letsgobuffalo4 says: Jan 28, 2015 9:59 AM

    Pats fans are holding onto the “we dont know for sure yet” thing, but more evidence will mount against them and NFL will release the final statement and pats will be guilty. You can call these “reports” BS, but a reporter would be let go for blatantly making up false things. We found out about ray rice tapes BEFORE the nfl released official statement through REPORTS, we knew what the nfl was finding in the Big Ben case through REPORTS. As a bills fan- i found out about Rex as new head coach through 3 different reports before the NFL announced it. These reporters have inside sources and we are getting leaks of what the NFL is finding out. Pats fans can deny until its “official”, but the rest of us see whats developing and how bad it looks for the patriots.

  211. cinzano08 says: Jan 28, 2015 10:03 AM

    By the way science says the Pats are right and proven by the brains in Pittsburgh! I would believe these guys more than Godell.

  212. mogogo1 says: Jan 28, 2015 10:13 AM

    The truly unbelievable part is that Goodell and Company have bungled yet another investigation. I find the thing highly suspicious but the NFL was so lax with how they allowed those footballs to be handled it seems unlikely they will ever be able to definitively prove anything.

    Crazy that the Colts had told them about the issue after the regular season game yet their grand plan was to wait until halftime of the playoff to recheck the pressure. Why not right before kickoff?

  213. letsgobuffalo4 says: Jan 28, 2015 10:14 AM

    tskocpol says:
    Jan 28, 2015 9:45 AM

    Haha, a guy who just picks up a ball is supposed to notice 2 psi difference? the player gripping it hard to launch it 40-50 yds would notice. The guy gripping it tight while running with it will notice……..but not the ref pick it up gently. Pats fans started with “no evidence they were low!”, the “well, we dont know if the balls were checked properly” now NFL says- yes balls were underinflated and yes they were checked correctly before the game. Now its the refs fault??? Pats need 100 ‘coincidences’ or ‘theories’ to go their way to make this right………….OR………. simple answer- the known cheaters just cheated again.

  214. it's all bs says: Jan 28, 2015 10:22 AM

    tskocpol says:
    Jan 28, 2015 9:45 AM

    Haha, a guy who just picks up a ball is supposed to notice 2 psi difference? the player gripping it hard to launch it 40-50 yds would notice. The guy gripping it tight while running with it will notice……..but not the ref pick it up gently. Pats fans started with “no evidence they were low!”, the “well, we dont know if the balls were checked properly” now NFL says- yes balls were underinflated and yes they were checked correctly before the game. Now its the refs fault??? Pats need 100 ‘coincidences’ or ‘theories’ to go their way to make this right………….OR………. simple answer- the known cheaters just cheated again.
    ————————–

    it’s the weight of a dollar bill….even Joe Theisman and Steve Young said you can’t tell the difference

  215. sbchampsagain says: Jan 28, 2015 10:29 AM

    THe patriots ALWAYS push the boundaries. Tha’ts what’s made them so good.

    They were pushing the boundaries here, failed, and got caught. The balls need to be at 12.5. No less or it’s illegal.

    The Patriot’s cutsie nod-nod, wink-wink excuses of temperature, rogue ball boy, Ref didn’t catch it so its legal, are irrelevant.

    Live and die by the sword. And the reputation that comes with it.

  216. spud1111 says: Jan 28, 2015 10:29 AM

    Let’s play a game called LOGIC.

    The Pat’s balls had reduced air pressure.
    The Colt’s balls did not.
    Cui Bono? (Who profits?)

    PS The refs handle the balls continuously. They never raised the issue-is this the real problem here?

  217. smasonsmith says: Jan 28, 2015 10:32 AM

    Science is science. There is not way the Patriots balls should have any different change in PSI than what the Colts balls have.
    ===
    You don’t know what the initial or final conditions of the IND balls was, thus any comparison is specious.

  218. mben35 says: Jan 28, 2015 10:42 AM

    “The Patriots have already been caught cheating.” – No they haven’t. They have been found to have had footballs below the minimum requirement. This in itself is not the cheating people are screaming it is. What would be cheating would be the intentional act of removing air AFTER the referee approves the balls.
    If the footballs passed inspection at 12.5psi, and lost any amount of air, they would be “under inflated”. This would be the referee’s issue to correct during the game. The referee is always issued a pump to maintain the football pressure throughout a game. That’s part of the referee’s job, not the football teams’ responsibility.
    “The Colts footballs didn’t lose air” – how do we know this? If the Colts footballs started at 13.5 and dropped to 12.5, they would still be in range, while the same 1psi drop drops the Patriots out of spec. Let’s also not forget that the Colts knew there was going to be an inspection at halftime, and could have easily given their balls a little attention with a helmet pump before turning them in.
    I love the rush to judgement because its the Patriots.
    OMG! The ball boy stopped to take a leak! Smoking gun! Ban them all! Take away their titles! Make Brady get a divorce! Make Kraft sell the team!
    Meanwhile, Seattle leads the league in PED suspensions. No one cares.
    Seattle lost mini camp practices and were fined twice for violating contact rules in camp.
    No one cares.
    Its only cheating if New England does it.
    You can hate them because they continue to win, that’s fine. But listen to yourselves whine about air pressure in a football! You sound pathetic!

  219. mwh1953 says: Jan 28, 2015 10:50 AM

    11 out of 12.

  220. richardernsberger says: Jan 28, 2015 10:59 AM

    The Pats have fumbled /signficantly/ less than other teams in recent years, according to analysts who’ve studied the issue. Coincidence? Not if you are familiar with Belichick and the pats.

  221. dryzzt23 says: Jan 28, 2015 11:26 AM

    Since WHEN does the media care about the FACTS or EVIDENCE?

    Only when it’s something that fits the media’s leftist agenda do they “care” about facts and evidence.

  222. tripg says: Jan 28, 2015 11:29 AM

    They can be found guilty without evidence…Then surely the Colts and their equipment manager should be punished as well. Of the 11 balls said to be deflated only one was 2 psi below limits. The other 10 were in the 1 psi range. So the only ball handled by the Colts just happens to be deflated at twice the level. Coincidence…I don’t think so. If the Colts equipment manager was alone with that ball for more than a few seconds, he is guilty as well.

  223. daringhart13 says: Jan 28, 2015 11:56 AM

    I guess taping the Ram’s walkthrough and knowing their red zone offense prior to a Super Bowl wasn’t enough, huh?

    Taping the Jets?

    The Patriots have been cheating for many, many years……but you know, there isn’t enough proof.

    NFL = WWF

  224. dumbaseinstien says: Jan 28, 2015 11:58 AM

    Guilty, Liars & Cheaters.

    Throw Belicheat’s & Baby Brady’s A$$e$ out of the league & punish Kraft & the Patriots with huge fine & loss of 2 yrs 1st rounders.

  225. granadafan says: Jan 28, 2015 12:19 PM

    I love how physicists and scientists like Neil DeGrasse Tyson and Bill Nye are destroying Bill Belichik by saying that Bill’s “scientific” explanation make absolutely no sense. The temperature would have have to been in the 90s during the time they filled the balls and a needle was the only REAL explanation for that much of a pressure drop.

  226. blabidibla says: Jan 28, 2015 12:20 PM

    Simply put:

    Pre-game the balls were tested at the correct pressure. At some point, while in control of the NE Patriots, those 11 balls lost pressure to the point they were no longer usable by NFL standards. The same did not happen to all of the other balls being used during the game. This isn’t the first time it happened.

    That’s enough evidence to say NE is not overseeing their equipment to NFL standards – as is clearly required by the rules.

    Penalties are coming.

  227. PCa Survivor says: Jan 28, 2015 2:12 PM

    mattyj7183 says: Jan 27, 2015 8:04 PM

    So you’re saying they could possibly be found not guilty in the court of law, but guilty in the court of the NFL? That makes sense especially if Ray Lewis ends up playing the role of the judge.
    ____________________________________

    Yes Perry Mason, the standard of proof in court is different than the workplace environment. The standard of proof is different for a criminal case vs. a civil case. The standard of proof is different for a jury vs. a grand jury. Don’t worry, you will learn this in your 11th grade civics class.

  228. tskocpol says: Jan 28, 2015 2:22 PM

    You think taping the Jets makes a difference? Why bother really? I have. Ever understood why this would create any advantage you could not get with a fan camera in the stands. The thing about Spygate is that the Patriots were wrong to ignore a memo. They said so. Did not lie. And they were punished with unusual severity. But all those who say they have otherwise cheated just say so. No proof. This time, there will have to be sound factual roof. People can declare this superb championship team to be habitual cheaters, but that does not make it so. This time, Mr. Kraft is fighting back against conviction by innuendo.

  229. aljack88 says: Jan 28, 2015 5:46 PM

    daringhart13 says:
    Jan 28, 2015 11:56 AM
    I guess taping the Ram’s walkthrough and knowing their red zone offense prior to a Super Bowl wasn’t enough, huh?

    ================================

    Yup, that’s right, you guessed it.

    My prior comments about troll’s efforts to research facts is confirmed.

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