Charles Haley calls Tom Brady’s Super Bowl rings “tainted”

AP

Charles Haley made it to the Hall of Fame, in part, because of his five Super Bowl rings.

But he said just because Tom Brady has four now, he doesn’t have the same measure of respect for the Patriots quarterback.

Asked by Clark Judge of the Talk of Fame Network to compare Brady to former teammate Joe Montana (who also has four rings), Haley said it wasn’t close, because of #DeflateGate

Joe didn’t have to cheat,” Haley said. “I’ve lost all respect [for Brady]. When your integrity is challenged in the game of football, to me, all his Super Bowls are tainted. You have to say this just didn’t happen overnight. Who wants that shadow over them? I could be wrong. But I realize there were 12 balls deflated and 12 ain’t. Then you’ve got [Patriots coach Bill] Belichick coming on three different times trying to explain it, . . .You know something is wrong.

“This is what Charles Haley believes — it’s going to come back to haunt him one day. If the league doesn’t come down on this guy, . . . Everybody is talking about it. Nobody believes it was by accident. It is what it is. I’m not going to take any of his Super Bowl rings away from him. But it’s sad that it has to be tainted like it is right now. Hopefully they’ll come out and let us know what really happened. Then all the mystery is gone.”

Granted, Haley wasn’t exactly a choirboy during his career, and the 49ers were long-standing circumventers of the salary cap.

But in Haley’s mind, PSI: New England is a scandal that will cloud Brady’s career.

372 responses to “Charles Haley calls Tom Brady’s Super Bowl rings “tainted”

  1. Some people will say almost anything to get some attention. Either that or Haley just isn’t that bright.

  2. Cue the Patriots fans bashing Haley for stating his opinion, which many others share. It is sad that his legacy is tainted by the spygate and deflate scandals

  3. I’m guessing Mr.Haley will now be offering pristine quotes like this more often now that he’s been inducted into the HOF. Personally, I think he should just relax and mind his own business. He has 5 rings, why does he even care?

  4. A lot of folks feel the same way. Not the fans of course … they wouldn’t care how much they cheated. But it does matter to people who haven’t yet turned in their conscience.

  5. The problem is that while Pats fans and most of their media don’t care, non-Pats fans will never be convinced. Of course they’re all tainted, they have to be simply due to public perceptions outside NE.

  6. Oh Charles, I’ve fairly certain that you cheated at some point. He’s just getting nervous since he is the only person with 5 rings and Brady could be joining him.

  7. Give me a freakin break please. Tom Brady won 4 Super Bowls because of a little less air in the ball….laughable at the least, more like ridiculous.

  8. Didn’t Montana say he worked on his own footballs to get them the way he wanted? So the difference is he did it himself instead of having someone else do it.

  9. There were definitely some shenanigans going on. Where there’s smoke there’s fire.
    The NFL has no choice but to make themselves look kind of bad and act like it was much ado about nothing after the Patriots won the Superbowl but those that that aren’t gullible can see the Patriots for what they truly are. It’s okay that it is becoming the WWE because the sport is still growing.

  10. Funny how many comments like Haley’s are coming from people who have either been a) embarrassed by the Pats on the field, or b) who have some connection to “best ever” teams into whose ranks the Pats are now crowding.

    Well, I guess they don’t call it the Pro Football Hall of Class.

  11. I guess Brady used the deflated footballs again in the SB to take apart the “best” defense in football? So much ignorance on this subject it’s laughable…

  12. First of all, the investigation is not over. The NFL is still looking into it. Second of all, the reports that have recently came out make the Patriots look innocent. Only one ball was under-inflated, and it was the one that the Colts’ sideline got their hands on. I’m not jumping to assumptions, but that is rather ironic that it was the only ball.

    Charles Haley is simply jumping to assumptions, presuming the Patriots cheated and that is why they are successful. He is nothing more than another bitter former player who achieved greatness but now is afraid another team is overshadowing his greatness in era where there is a salary cap and makes it much harder for teams to go on spectacular runs.

  13. He finally gets his due after many years and all that comes out of his mouth is negative stuff?

    So someone out there should write a long magazine piece on EVERY ‘alleged’ tainted Super Bowl, once and for all, so it can all be put in perspective.

    Seattle led the world in mugging receivers down the field and PED violations so let’s start there…

    PS

    I’m not pro NE or anti Seattle, just commenting from the middle.

  14. Don’t let facts get in the way of your argument Charles! your teams did cheat they screwed with salary cap so they could keep all there players. So stop throwing stones from your glass house! This definitely isn’t very intelligent.

  15. It really is sad how jealous people are of the Patriots’ success. Now he’s tainted because or something that hasn’t even been proven and when they’re exonerated it will just be something else. Your bitter envy is so transparent. Must be tough being so miserable every day.

  16. Aren’t all penalties pretty much “cheating” in football, and getting caught? Deflating the footballs for an advantage is in essence the same thing. It’s on the refs to know what is going on with the footballs on the field. This whole nonsensical “scandal” is nothing but a “missed penalty” by the refs, that will be taken care of off-the-field by the league. An illegal hit, which like deflating footballs, is “illegal” and penalty-worthy, but it’s not some egregious act of ultimate cheating that will tarnish careers. Give me a break.

  17. Haley isn’t the only one.

    It is Aikman, Bettis, and Brunell as well.

    Montana was pretty skeptical in the fact that he was certain Brady knew something, but didn’t think it was a big deal.

    The NFL needs to interview Brady, Belicheck…..everyone.

    Come out with the findings, what is the delay NFL???

  18. Once a cheater will always be one. The Patriots rings are useless. Might as well throw them aways and start all over. This time without Brady and Belichicken and we’ll see how the Patriots do

    Packers, Patriots, Saints, and Buccaneers are known for cheaters and will remain 4ever in their heads.

  19. Pat haters, making mentally deficient chipmunks the world over look like rocket scientists.

    If there was ever a cacophony of fools its the Pats haters.

  20. You can never take someone who refers to themselves in the third person seriously. At least that’s rjpats’ opinion.

  21. All these comments bashing Haley…He didn’t volunteer his opinion, somebody interviewing him asked. And if the Pats did not cheat with deflate business, and hey, let’s say they didn’t, they did cheat regarding spygate and so it is the org’s own fault people feel this way. Pats fans can cry jealousy all they want. The organization tainted itself with spygate. So no one is willing to give the org the benefit of the doubt. And since the organization did in fact cheat before: WHY SHOULD the Pats get the benefit of the doubt? Buy the ticket, take the ride.

  22. Well what do you know another player calling bradys and belicheats rings tainted. The whole world knows the patriots and belicheat rings are tainted. Well of course, except pats fans who just tend to look the other way and pretend spygate and deflategate never existed.

  23. Jealousy is a sign of lack of confidence. Haley is already preparing for the day that Brady passes him for most Super Bowl rings. I respect players who congratulate those who break their records. Montana and Haley are coming off as very small.

  24. Apparently circumventing the salary cap doesn’t count as tainted in Charles Haley’s eyes, but he’s free to return his rings and titles if he’s so concerned about being morally righteous. We’ll give him a call when Patriots fans actually decide to care about the opinion of a has-been former player. Until that time we’ll just go ahead and enjoy our reign on the NFL throne

  25. Basic situation: Anyone who has a claim to records, being one of the best ever, is threatened by Belichik and Brady success. Maybe Don Shula won’t be ranked as highly as a coach, Haley as a player. They want to still be special, still be above others, and if Brady-Belichik are suspect, then they can claim that their old records are better, even if they are being surpassed. It’s not cynical or manipulative; they persuade themselves to think that way.

  26. so does half of football fans but that doesn’t change the total number of championships.

    Half the people in the MLB hall of fame are tainted, but they are still in.

  27. And I guess he didn’t realize that (1)the 49rs got one of the largest fines in NFL history for salary cap violations to win one of their SB’s for which they received a huge fine and loss of 2 draft pics (2)their team was owned by a guy with ties to organized crime for everyone of their SB’s (3)the cowboys recently losing cap space for salary cap violations(4)whatever the nfl rules, it was illegal to take the PED’s that were rampantly used by him and others on his teams (5)that the severe psychological disorders he was found to have, such as being severely bipolar not only effected his judgment throughout his playing career but afterwords too. The only reason it took so long to induct the guy is that the voters were afraid to inducti a nutjob like him and provide further embarrassment to the NFL.

  28. Regardless of wheter or not they cheated, it is pretty incredible that Tom Brady and Bill Belicheck have won 4 Super Bowls together. IMO I think they probably did cheat, but if they didn’t it is sad that Tom Brady’s legacy will always be met with skepticism for what otherwise would be a pretty remarkable career.

  29. The man speaks the truth. I’m sure most players who did things the right way, with integrity, feel the same.

    You Patriots fans need to realize that this is how almost everyone outside of New England views your team.

  30. No way possible the Pats in any generation beat Haley’s Cowboys. The only way would have been for the Pats to cheat…oh wait!

  31. I will say this. Brady is a great QB and possibly top 3 all time.. but Brady needed help from his team to win.. not one single SB win brady had a last drive where he actually went all the way to the end zone.. and if it wasnt for the defense they had in the early 2000 plus the Tuck rule.. brady doesn’t come close to wining more than 2SBs. Shoot Venateri shouldve won one of those MVP’s lol.

    Lets put Joe in this ERA.. with all the rules that Defenses have now. . hits to the head, low hits, PI’s, defensive holding.. etc… does Joe still win 4 SB? I think so.. possibly more.. he probably wouldve won 5 had he not been hurt so much towards the end of his career.

    Now, lets put brady in the 80’s without all the rules that protect the QB and the WR’s…. does he still win 4 SBs? im thinking probably not. shoot, as i said, without all the tuck rules, etc bs .. he doesn’t win 4 in this era much less in the 80s.

    btw.. im a big fan of brady as he is a bay are kid and former niner fan.. im not hating.. just stating facts.

  32. It’s pretty common sense……

    If the entire 2 week coverage around the country leading up to a Super Bowl is about how about 1 team cheated….. and the coach and QB both looked questionable trying to explain it…….. there’s some level of taint here.

    Get used to the * symbol, Pat fans.

  33. I’m no Patriots fan but will say that Joe Montana, although great, played with a stacked team in the pre-cap days.

    He always had great people…Rice, Taylor, Clark, etc to throw the ball to and oh yeah, Roger Craig in the backfield running all over the place and catching those little dump passes from Montana and gaining another 30 yards after the catch.

    The Patriots went to six Super Bowls with a varying degree of personnel due to the salary cap and no consistent deep threat at wide receiver.

    I think I’d take Brady over Montana.

  34. Vinatierri bailed out Brady twice and now CB Butler bailed him out. Brady’s never won a super bowl really. Not like Joe Montana.

    Patriots are good. I mean above average, don’t get me wrong.

  35. This is what is so frustrating. Someone please tell me exactly when did they “cheat”. The story of them filming a superbowl walk through had been false and the reporter apologized and retracted the story. Or is it that they filmed from the sideline instead of the press box during games? Or was it when they have been accused of deflating footballs? Which have now been shown to only have been a tick below the 12.5 psi. The only one that was 2 psi less was in the possession of the Colts, seems a bit fishy to me.

    Not sure how anyone who knows the details of Spygate, or deflategate can say that the Patriots are cheaters.

    The Pats get no respect, they won a hard fought football game on Sunday, but instead of talking about how they out played Seattle, it is the Seahawks handed them the win.

    Wilson did not make a complete pass till 5 minutes left in the 2nd quarter, He was sacked 3 times for 20 yards, Pats had 72 offense plays vs Seattles 53, For Time of possession, 34 mins vs 26 mins. Brady completed 74% of his passes to Wilsons 57%. Penalties: 5 for 36 yds to their 7 for 70 yards. If not for the miracle catch with two minutes left, they would have had to punt it away and lost

  36. Hey charles. Jimmy johnson filmed signals also. Ubprob wouldnt know cuz u arent a coach. U prob didnt know that walsh is accused of tampering with opponents communication devicses. U idiot

  37. It is a disgrace that Tom has cheated to get this last ring. The NFL has lowered the standard, and quality of such an achievement by allowing the cheaters to play in the Super Bowl in the first place!!
    It was a great game, and Brady really played well. BUT, it doesn’t change the fact that he should NEVER have been allowed to play in THIS Super Bowl in the first place. Maybe in a year or two when his Cheating Suspension is over.

  38. I’m sure those commenting about the Patriots have all looked into their own teams and found them to have no rules infractions. The Patriots are the best team of all time, embrace it, live it, love it. I can’t wait for them to win again next year.

  39. I bet people who sold steroids in the 90’s retired comfortably off the money they earned from the Cowboys alone.

  40. This guy’s opinion is worth zero. He is likely the most disturbing guy to ever don a HoF jacket. For those that think that statement is over the top, look up his behavior. I cannot describe some of the things he did to teammates and executives because it would never be posted here due to how disgusting it is.

  41. The more I read, the more I think deflategate was an NFL creation to take the pressure off Roger Goodell during Superbowl week and questions about whether he should still be commissioner. If so Mission Accomplished.

  42. Montana to me was always a lock whenever he went in the Super Bowl.

    Let’s say lynch runs in or lockette indeed catches the slant and the patriots have to score with twenty seconds left or at least hit a field goal and they don’t.

    Brady becomes 3-3 in the Super Bowl. That’s roger staubach like and hardly the greatest of all time.

    Say what you want about terry Bradshaw but he always won as well.

  43. Whether it’s true or not, almost all football fans who don’t live in New England look at the Patriots as a great football team who also happen to cheat, even when they don’t really need to.

  44. Charles Haley paid his own mother $50 to sleep with him, and then he failed to pay her when they were done, so he has no business being in the hall, and there’s exactly as much proof that happened as what he’s suggesting.

  45. Deflategate has been wrought with innuendo and misstatements. Now we learn that the only ball under 2 PSI was the one the Colts handled. The rest were close to the 12.5. We also don’t know what the original pressure was other than is was checked and approved. The Pats have been vilified for no reason….even spygate has been refuted…..they simply had cameras in the wrong place but everyone was taping the same thing. What the Pats have accomplished in the era of free agency and salary cap is astounding….people who are objective will agree, those with an ax to grind or are simply mentally challenged with interpret things the way they want anyway. Not sure where Haley falls but its one or the other.

  46. First of all, I am not a Pats fan. At all.

    However, I find it funny that all of the fans on here are so passionate about the deflategate bs being such a terrible thing…because its Tom Brady and the Pats.

    However, I bet you a million dollars, if this was their team, and their QB, and their coach. This would be no big deal. And they would be defending their integrity like Pats fans are now…

    I just find it interesting.

  47. I love how Bill Walsh use to script plays for Montana and then say his headset went out so the other team had to take their headsets off. This was done deliberately to gain an advantage!!! His rings are tainted and shouldn’t be in the HOF!!!

  48. Isn’t the evidence seem to be indicating that there was no deflation by the Patriots or TB? Seems to me that this is going to end up tainting Grigson and Colts. If this is the case, there goes a foot into another mouth.

  49. Loving the hate!!
    So so sweet.
    Deflategate will become EggOnFaceGate real soon.

    My only question is are the NFL investigators in Indy yet??

  50. Integrity?

    This guy is has the audacity to talk about integrity? He was infamous for sexually harassing his teammates and being all around horrible person during his playing days. It’s not a secret, everyone knows, and it’s long been rumored that it’s the main reason it took him so long to get into the HOF.

    Funny thing is I don’t care about that stuff and supported Haley getting into the HOF because I know a lot of these guys aren’t chior boys. But for Charles Haley to call anyone out about integrity? That’s just silly.

  51. Why is there only one football that is 2 psi lower then the other 11 footballs?

    Because, we all know, it is the ball the colts had in their possession. We all know the hatred the colts have for the pats as well as the other 30 teams the pats have embarrassed by beating them.

    It is a proven fact that the powerful emotions of hate & jealousy cause us to say things that are not true and do things that are unwise.

    It has been factually ( see above ) proven that the colts & the NFL are seeking to frame the Patriots.

    Can’t wait for the lawsuit Kraft brings down on the NFL and colts draft picks given to the Patriots, as well as, in your face to all the jealous haters.

  52. What did you expect him in particular to say? He has aways had Joe’s back. Hell he pissed on Steve Youngs car when he took over the team. Haley is an absolute nut job but if you want anyone to guard your six he is not a bad choice.

  53. Grow up Haley. I will say that you were held out of the HOF WAY TOO LONG, but now people are losing respect for you. Brady has never been caught cheating. The spygate thing was ridiculous and the NFL never released any evidence. Now the NFL says only 1 ball was noticeably deflated, not 12.

    Nothing is tainted. Enjoy your achievement and shut your trap.

    I’m not even a Pats fan. Sheesh!

  54. he got “five rings” by getting himself traded to a better team with some ridiculous behavior when he was with the cowboys. The level of jealousy out there from former players is pretty embarrassing. The deflate gate story was obviously drummed up by a former Jets official to distract the Pats going into the Super Bowl. They have nothing.

  55. It amazing that people are holding outcomes of plays this DID NOT even happen as some evidence that Brady isn’t as good.

    What if Lynch runs it in? OK well he didnt, making it Tom Brady with 2, 4th quarter TD drives against the “greatest defense ever,” named by some to win the game.

    Ridiculous.

  56. The NFL started limited free agency in 1989. It started a salary cap in 1994. Joe Montana wasn’t even on the Niners then. Neither was Charles Haley.

    This whole debate is silly, Tom Brady and Joe Montana are both great QBs, but that’s uninformed BS. Darin – be better than that.

  57. This is why Goodell needs to go. His office has allowed the media to crucify the Patriots by giving very little info on what happened. It isn’t like telling the details will affect the outcome of the investigation. If/When the Patriots are found innocent/guilt then people need to either stay on their high horse and bash the Patriots or man up and apologize and admit they were wrong.

  58. So because Montana and Bradshaw never lost a Super Bowl they are better?

    But they either lost a AFC or NFC Championship game.
    But they either lost a Divisional Game
    Or they failed to make the playoffs.

    The logic is just flawed.

    But that’s okay. We will drink the sweet salty tears of the teams we crush over the years.

  59. So because Montana and Bradshaw never lost a Super Bowl they are better?

    But they either lost a AFC or NFC Championship game.
    But they either lost a Divisional Game
    Or they failed to make the playoffs.

    The logic is just flawed.

    But that’s okay. We will drink the sweet salty tears of the teams we crush over the years.

  60. Nothing is tainted except the opinions of losers with some sort of axe to grind against BB or Brady.

    Some balls were down a tenth of one percent of pressure due to weather and a camera was 20 feet away from where it was legal to tape, but despicable people who pretend honesty matters to them try to call these some big-time transgressions against the integrity of the game. Sickening.

  61. not that it matters to me, but it amazes me how quickly people tolerate cheating. i thought our culture doesn’t tolerate that… i guess except in sports. If the patriots didn’t cheat, this #deflategate would not even exist!

  62. Oh shut up middle age man. And part of the reason the 49ers were able to win SB’s is because of the money Eddie D Jr was willing to spend to win.

  63. Haley was on the 49ers Super Bowl teams when they were fined and lost draft picks for circumventing the salary cap by illegally restructuring the contracts of Steve Young, Dwight Clark, Jim Drunkenmiller and Brent Jones. Haley you’re a real dope.. SF wouldn’t have been able to keep all those players that led them to SB championships if they didn’t cheat.

  64. This is the the best line of the article, “Hopefully they’ll come out and let us know what really happened. Then all the mystery is gone.” Seriously, this investigation is a joke. Let it out that the Colts GM set up this sting operation and it backfired so that we can all move on.

  65. How come no former Pats’ players or coaches have come out and said anything or offered any proof of the Pats cheating? You Buffalo fans have Brandon Spikes who certainly didn’t keep his mouth shut when he left the Pats.

  66. It is too bad that New England will always have this reputation as known proven cheaters. It can’t help them.

  67. I personally think Tom Brady is one of the best if not the best QB to play the game and wouldn’t say his rings are tainted but I think it’s ridiculous how many people on here are questioning wether or not Haley knows what he’s talking about because of past issues involving his character but won’t bring yourselves to question wether or not Tom Brady deserves to be called the best because of past issues involving some of his Super Bowl seasons.

  68. Amen, Charles. Don’t worry, unlike this site in the recent days and thousands if not millions of Patriots fans, there are many of us who still have the integrity to call the Patriots what they are.

  69. Tainted or not, I had a great time at the parade yesterday and I will have a great time listening to the Pats be called defending SB Champs for the next year. Stick all the asterisks you want at the end, because its awesome when your team wins.

  70. Thanks for clarifying that Mr. Haley… but you do know BB and TB will be first ballet Hall of Famers… and your just getting in, correct?

    Please clarify, with all those rings, why you were not a first ballet HOF, or a second, or a third… but took 6 years?. Thanks, we’ll wait.

  71. A 49er and a Cowboy well he should know all about cheating, Montana’s 49ers cheated league rules to circumvent the salary cap for years, the owner got kicked out of the league for life. The Cowboys during Haley’s years were a bunch of lawless coke-heads, since then Jones has been fined on numerous occasions for violating league rules, so I guess I cheater calls out another, all of the Cowboys and 49er super owls are tainted as well.

    49ers zero super-bowls since salary cap gate.
    Cowboys zero super-bowls since white house gate.

  72. Hey Charles, consider this;

    “Even a fool is considered wise when he keeps his mouth shut”.

    Guess you failed that one, but you did score high on the ignorance exam!

  73. I know Haley thinks those Patriot Lombardi trophies are really shiny. I love shiny Lombardi trophies.

    AND WE GOT 4 OF THEM! WOW!

  74. For every 5 people saying there should be an ** next to 2014 Superbowl Champions, there will always be 1 Patriot fan that says winning is winning… they did nothing wrong… Belichick scientifically proved it… Brady had no idea the football’s were tainted. So who is right? I have a feeling we will never know. That Goodell and the NFL will sweep this under the rug and wait for time to pass… time for people to forget about the Patriots and their cheating ways. The Seahawks were 1 run away from walking out of the Superbowl as champions instead of chumps… 1 play away from proving for the third time in a row that cheaters never win… but guess what? This time the cheaters did win… Kids across the world now have the idea in their little heads that cheating is alright, as long as you win. Cheating will get you to the top and if your integrity is questioned, just deny, deny, deny. It works for Tom Brady and the Patriots.

  75. Truly said Brady and Patriots should be fined ,lose draft pick and or suspend coach for the season get your head out of Brady’s balls Rodger do something or U will be hated even more just saying that’s the facts

  76. Charles! Please have your agent call us immediately. We would like to offer you the lead role in Dumb and Dumber 3. In fact you can have both roles.

  77. Haley’s opinion isn’t unique…basically after the Tuck Rule BS to the reality of Spygate to the recent Deflategate mystery the *Pats tag started to stick instead be forgotten. Especially for new younger NFL fans that may not remember Spygate

    Sorry, majority of public opinion (especially from fan polls pre Super Bowl 49) will never change from pretty much every NFL hardcore to casual fan to some former HoF players…Save for the folks “pahhkin’ cahhs at the Havahhd yahd.”

  78. If it weren’t for the Giants, Brady and Montana would both have SIX rings. If you think these two fan bases’ whining on here is intolerable, think how bad it would be if we didn’t own their butts during both their dynasties. You’re welcome fans of the 29 other teams.

  79. The typical Pats fan narrative “YAH DIS GUY IS JUST MAD DAT HE LOST TO US” doesn’t fit when the guy saying it has more rings than the Brady and Belichick.

  80. Let’s all look at the Patriot haters thinking their team belongs on the same field as the World Champion Patriots.

    And then let’s laugh at them.

    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  81. Criminal defamation is the act of communicating something negative or damaging about a second party, and implying that it is fact when in reality it is false. This communication may be verbal or written, and applies to any form of media. The second party may be one individual, a group of people, a business, or an organization.

    Kraft will pounce on the NFL when all is said and done.

  82. when pats lost two Super Bowls:
    “no wins since spy gate! can’t win without cheating!!”

    when pats win super bowl:
    “CHEATERS!!!”

    jealousy much

  83. NFL has zero Integrity because:
    #1: Unsubstantiated recording of PSI by the NFL Officiating crew, not only in this game but in all other previous games, as the NFL has zero policy on proper scientific standards of recording.
    #2: Inaccurate/false leaking of information
    #3: NFL Rules seek to prevent unfair advantage in a game – Rule 17 was not broken/violated in the AFC championship since it was PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt that ALL the footballs on both teams had zero impact on the outcome of the game.
    #4: 5th Grade Science as well as college science dictates loss of air pressure as temperature drops. DUH – We all know this with pure scientific observation of our tires every winter – DUH
    #5: Defamation of Character is a SERIOUS CRIME people – wake up Haters and smell the stink of your own biased self righteous bigotry.
    #6: UNFAIR ADVANTAGE was given to he Seahawks via two weeks of false reporting by the NFL, news media and general public believing the reported errors and misinformation.
    #7: Goodell hires high priced law firm to ONLY investigate the Patriots thus creating a smear campaign started by the colts – who by the way – had possession of the ONLY football under 2psi.
    #8: Defamation of Character/ Slander is a CRIME but this is of no concern to Goodell. It is a fact that Goodell feels he can breake the rules by not doing an impartial fact gathering analysis from BOTH teams while LEAKING false info to the news media that slanders/defames the Patriots. – These the FACTS !!!

  84. How come no former Pats’ players or coaches have come out and said anything or offered any proof of the Pats cheating? You Buffalo fans have Brandon Spikes who certainly didn’t keep his mouth shut when he left the Pats.

    It’s very telling isn’t it?

    EVERY cheater in sports has a whistleblower. Bonds did. The 1970’s Steelers did. Lance Armstrong did.

    Lots of people have left the Patriots organization, many on less than great terms. Yet not one has come forward saying they either witnessed cheating, was asked to cheat or actually participated in cheating.

    Not one.

    #hmmm
    #gofigure
    #iwonderwhy
    #ugotnothin

  85. clockerbob – where do you come up with that garbage? Charles Haley was traded from the Niners to the Cowboys in 1991. The salary cap was STARTED in 1994.

    Joe Montana’s Niners won 4 Super Bowls before free agency was even a thing. Teams acquired players through the draft, trades, or if other teams cut them because they thought they sucked. It was a stupid system, for sure, but the Montana Niners neither had a salary cap to circumvent nor a Deion Sanders to sign.

  86. Maybe Chuckie should look at his own house. The 49ers were found to be consistently violating the salary cap, but nice try, Chuck…But judging from his utter disregard for proper English, I doubt he understands the blatant hypocrisy of his whining. And he should keep up, q ball was found to be severely under inflated, 10 were very insignificant, and 1 wasn’t.

  87. Haley could be right. I think Brady should be suspended next year the 2 games Patriots play the Dolphins.

    ___________

    this got downvoted? This was hilarious

  88. What is funny is “*Pats” and “GOAT Pats” (or Brady etc…) are both going to be forever bandied back and forth on message boards, when only one of these two monikers could actually be enforced by an NFL Stats committee to reflect in NFL record books…

    Basically there are rules to take team/individual awards or a Super Bowl trophy away from a team saddled with re breaking infractions (similar to what happened to Reggie Bush’s Heisman and Carroll’s USC dynasty last National Championship).

    While GOAT talk is just that, talk and an opinion. There is no statistical record book for opinions.

  89. No other NFL team has had the run of success the Patriots have. Not the Cowboys, not the Steelers, not the Packers and not the 49ers. What New England has done, in the salary cap era, is incredible. Now you have all of these retired players coming out of the woodwork to take shots at them. Keeping lining up, it’s getting more and more laughable with each new comment.

  90. I’ve been a Pats fan all my life and everyone here in Boston knows they cheat– we just know that everyone cheats in some ways big or small so we say “So what if we cheat?”

  91. Someone explain this:

    Tom Brady was 4 for 6 in Super Bowls

    Joe Montana was 4 for 4 in Super Bowls

    So that means Joe didnt even make it as far as Brady to even have the chance to lose in the biggest game.

    How can you knock Brady for making it to the end and winning 4 of 6.

    When Montana couldn’t get as far as Brady.

  92. ninerdynasty says:
    Feb 5, 2015 11:16 AM
    I will say this. Brady is a great QB and possibly top 3 all time.. but Brady needed help from his team to win.. not one single SB win brady had a last drive where he actually went all the way to the end zone.. and if it wasnt for the defense they had in the early 2000 plus the Tuck rule.. brady doesn’t come close to wining more than 2SBs. Shoot Venateri shouldve won one of those MVP’s lol.

    Lets put Joe in this ERA.. with all the rules that Defenses have now. . hits to the head, low hits, PI’s, defensive holding.. etc… does Joe still win 4 SB? I think so.. possibly more.. he probably wouldve won 5 had he not been hurt so much towards the end of his career.

    Now, lets put brady in the 80’s without all the rules that protect the QB and the WR’s…. does he still win 4 SBs? im thinking probably not. shoot, as i said, without all the tuck rules, etc bs .. he doesn’t win 4 in this era much less in the 80s.

    btw.. im a big fan of brady as he is a bay are kid and former niner fan.. im not hating.. just stating facts.
    …………
    You may not be ‘hating’ but you certainly don’t know any facts. Brady orchestrated last minute drives in every SB he’s every won. Do you remember him marching down the field in the Rams game when EVERYONE said kneel the ball and go into OT? No you don’t, but it didn’t fit your narrative.

    Can you imagine if Brady played with an All Pro RB and TE his whole career? Or maybe a WR like Jerry Rice who I hear was pretty good. Brady has Moss for one year and he broke nearly every statisical category known to a QB.

    Can you imagine if their was no salary cap and the Patriots could have kept those earlier defenses intact?

    Do you even remember the Ninefs defense in Montana’s day, they were ridiculously good. And the Ninefs played in an easy division as well. Or maybe the Ninefs were just damn good, just as the pats are today.

    Maybe if Brady was ‘hurt so much like ‘Montana’ he would have taken the team he just went 18-1 with and gone 19-0.

    And what’s the point in hating on the Tuck rule? It was a real rule, and it was properly called, and it as a dumb rule. Also, the Game didn’t end on that call. raiders had MANY chances to win the game and were stopped.

    You come off like Haley and all the other great retired players knocking a current player.

  93. “Patriots have a culture of cheating. This opinion will never change.”

    As long as people choose jealousy & hate over truth and facts, of course their opinion will never change!!!

    GO PATS – 4 SB Rings & COUNTING

    It will be a new episode of victory in 2015

    GO PATS

  94. A lot of people are going to look awfully silly in about a week.

    The league is preparing to throw Grigson under the bus because Columbia is finding the same thing as MIT, HeadSmart & others: there was no tampering. And this whole thing started because the league was too dense to know what to expect when you measure a ball that was inflated in one environment after it’s spent time in another environment.

    If any good comes of this, it will be of highlighting how embarrassing the basic science knowledge of the average American is.

  95. Jimmy Johnson said most coaches have tried to film the other sideline to steal the signals. If he said that, we can assume that he did it.

    2 tainted rings for Mr. Haley.

    For the other 3 rings, I’m pretty sure they are tainted by some deflated balls.

    By the way, Charles, Brady will enter HoF on his first year.

  96. Get used to it haters– We cheated but we are the best franchise in NFL history. Nothing you can do can take that away. We OWN Goodell. We OWN the NFL.

  97. “If any good comes of this, it will be of highlighting how embarrassing the basic science knowledge of the average American is.”

    It has nothing to do with science. Its become increasingly clear that only 1 ball was seriously under inflated. And guess which ball that is the one very likely to be? The only ball the colts had because of the interception. I think this is going to turn out to be a very serious act of sabotage on the part of the colts and the question is if the ravens had a had in it. I don’t think there is any issue of whether the nfl is going to find the pats did anything improper, its going to be what part the colts and maybe the ravens had in it and if the nfl can somehow cover this all up so that it doesn’t create a huge embarrassment for the league.

  98. Imagine, for a moment, if Bill Belichick did not have to contend with:
    1) salary cap
    2) free agency

    if you think his teams are awesome now, and they are, just imagine how much better they could be. Think about that for a minute.

    And while you are busy tearing down the league, the officiating, the random “cheating”, and hating other teams, just remember, the league you are destroying is your own.

    Stop expecting perfect play calls and perfect officiating, and perfect play, because you can’t get it. Enjoy the sport for what it is, an awesome competitive spectacle. I love the NFL, warts and all.

  99. Why is Goodell getting $44 million a year?

    If the NFL wants Integrity how about taking $10 million a year away from Goodell and hiring Full Time experienced professional knowledgeable Referees!

    Secondly, Fire Goodell since he has failed to uphold Integrity Truth & Justice.

    Thirdly, Hire a panel of unbiased knowledgeable individuals to govern NFL rules, interpretation of rules who are able to grant fair execution of fines/punishment as well as the wisdom on when to defer judgment and show mercy!

  100. brett9990 says:
    Feb 5, 2015 10:55 AM
    I guess Brady used the deflated footballs again in the SB to take apart the “best” defense in football? So much ignorance on this subject it’s laughable…

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    Mock the Seahawk defense all you want. They’ve led the league in scoring defense for 3 straight years. Name the last time your team did that? Oh yeah. They haven’t.

  101. Like I said, sports is half entertainment and half religion (with a strong fantasy component).

    I would expect 97% of people to say the Patriots are tainted just because they root for another team. They worship at a different altar. Pray to another deity.

    But polls now say 49% think it’s tainted and been trending down throughout all those new developments (physics experiments, revelations about actual pressure in footballs at halftime, referees not gauging the balls).

    Haley came forward after Brady broke Montana’s passing TD record and tied him for number of SB MVPs.

  102. Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. Is that quote in the wrong place:

    “This is what Charles Haley believes — it’s going to come back to haunt him one day. If the league doesn’t come down on this guy, ”

    Because if it isn’t, then Pats fan or not, I just can’t agree with someone who refers to them self in the third person. I just can’t do it.

    It is also hard to agree with a hypocrite who takes unproven accusations leveled against one team as fact while ignoring the ones leveled against his own.

    But that’s just me.

  103. Wow, look at all the ad hominems piling up in here…

    If you can’t kill the message, shoot the messenger.

  104. myhawks1976 says: Feb 5, 2015 1:50 PM

    brett9990 says:
    Feb 5, 2015 10:55 AM
    I guess Brady used the deflated footballs again in the SB to take apart the “best” defense in football? So much ignorance on this subject it’s laughable…

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    Mock the Seahawk defense all you want. They’ve led the league in scoring defense for 3 straight years. Name the last time your team did that? Oh yeah. They haven’t.
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    Name the last time that the Seahawks beat the Patriots in the Super Bowl…

    Oh yeah… they didn’t… 🙂

    Butler INTERCEPTS on the 1 yard line!!!!! Patriots win Super Bowl XLIX!!!!!

    Oh… that HAD to hurt… LOL

  105. Haley, sorry your are soooo sad and bitter man….you are bringing your own character into question.

    The Patriots did not intend to leave the Seahawks sooo deflated….we are just not that soft.

    And Haley, just in case you did not know…the only ball that was deflated was the one the colts deflated and give to the League….talking about sabotage…

  106. I’ve always wondered, how is it that NE is so great, and yet they’ve won each SB by an end result of 3

    2002 def Rams 20-17
    2004 def Panthers 32-29
    2005 def Eagles 24-21
    2014 def Seattle 28-24

    4 wins by a combined total of 13 points. Well, a win’s a win…still, that’s 4 very close victories, and the last victory could easily, and most probably should have been, a loss.

    Interesting numbers, especially having the GOAT. Even the anemic Seattle offense participated in a 43-8 win in last year’s SB.

    Better to be lucky than good, or simply lucky?

  107. If you want to believe that the Patriots have their SB rings via cheating – then you will believe that and no one will ever convince you otherwise!
    It becomes your Faith, your Belief, and your Self Justified Opinion!

    If you want to see real integrity in football, how about having a policy that actually rewards truth & honesty and expels players/coaches for domestic violence, drugs, DWI resulting in serious injury/death to innocent parties, solicitation of prostitution, unlawful use of firearms, assault & battery, robbery, immoral conduct on & off the field just to name a few.

    Not enough players left to make a team – huh!

  108. Really idiot??? Haley you are grasping…. Even the NFL said that only ONE of the 24 balls was underinflated…

  109. The FACTS are that EVERY team was videotaping because it was LEGAL. EVERY team in the NFL plays fast and loose with football inflation/deflation and the NFL doesn’t care. The NFL has NEVER enforced the fine on the books for deflated footballs because they see this as a minor issue. Spygate and Deflategate are the 2 most bogus scandals in the history of sports. Perhaps Haley has suffered too many concussions and doesn’t really understand what’s going on in the NFL.

  110. 49ers got caught cheating on the salary cap when the league implemented it.
    Jerry rice admitted to sneaking stickum onto his hands after they outlawed it.
    Haley was a steroid freak and a known jerk.

    Grain of salt and shame on pft for giving every donkey a voice

  111. The Patriots have been caught cheating twice. It’s not reasonable to believe they got caught every time they cheated.

  112. Hey Pats fans,

    If you constantly have to scream from the rooftops how great you are, you aren’t.

    The word of the day is: humility
    Learn it
    Know it
    Live it

  113. I’ve always wondered, how is it that NE is so great, and yet they’ve won each SB by an end result of 3

    2002 def Rams 20-17
    2004 def Panthers 32-29
    2005 def Eagles 24-21
    2014 def Seattle 28-24
    and the last victory could easily, and most probably should have been, a loss.
    —————

    Could say the same about the two 3 and 4 point Giants losses that could have easily been wins.

    #justsayin
    #logic

  114. This man should be embarrassed for trying to discredit another champion. Everyone’s entitled to develop an opinion, but those who are ignorant on a matter should keep their mouths shut. Haley’s facts aren’t even up to date. Sure his opinion isn’t unique, it’s in line with the rest of the anti-fans. Unless you’ve never taken the time to look into Tom Brady’s story, his career, and the kind of person he is, you would know he is not one to cheat. He is probably one of the classiest players in the league and it’s a shame that so many people turn him into some villain. Keep believing whatever’s convenient for you to believe, but I’ve kept myself up to date with the facts. Whatever happened to appreciating and respecting success and hard work? Brady deals with everything with a great amount of honesty and integrity and he loves the sport more than anything in the world. He’s worked so hard for all of his success through pure dedication and ambition and it’s truly sad that people try to take credit away from him and deny his level of skill. Another thing people who knew anything about Tom Brady as an athlete and as a person would also know is that he has always believed he is capable. He started out as one of most unwanted players in the league and he worked his a** off (according to his teammates, harder than anyone else in practice when he wasn’t even a starter) to get where he is. Why would someone who knows they’re capable of winning cheat in the first place? I’m sorry, but New England Patriots fan or not, it’s evident that the Patriots didn’t cheat and anyone who even slightly looked into the story would know that. I guarantee most people didn’t even know that there were regulations on the weight/size of the ball until this whole deflate gate fiasco. People just used the whole thing as an opportunity to hop on the bandwagon of hate. Also, only one of the 11 balls was 2 PSI under regulation and the rest were just barely under regulation, which if you knew anything about science, you’d know can easily happen with temperature change (even the 2 PSI). I could list off countless reasons why the Patriots, Tom, and Bill aren’t cheaters, but that would pretty much be even more of a waste of time since most of the people talking are so close-minded and bitter that they would block out all logic and still insist the Patriots cheated anyways. I respect a lot of players in the league, whether they’re on the team I support or not, but I could never respect a guy who tries to belittle another individual’s achievements (something Brady also never does). We should be inspired by success, not envious of it. The Patriots winning the Super Bowl should have been enough proof that they deserved to be there, but people are still running their mouths. Many don’t seem to realize what an incredible thing it is to be able to witness such a talented athlete make history in this sport because they’re too busy being bitter that the spotlight isn’t on their team. It’s a shame.

  115. Brady & Pats rack up 17 points in first half, Brady realizes ‘Hey underinflated balls cost me an interception and 7 points, damn if I will let that happen again, and so Pats inflate balls to proper NFL specs. RESULTS Pats 28 – colts 0 in second half.
    Now it gets even BETTER.
    Brady calls Rodgers and asks for advice on beating the Seahawks. Rodgers says ‘Listen Tom, just overinflate the balls to 14psi and you will win – TRUST ME!
    Superbowl – 1st Half all footballs proper NFL specs, Dammit – Brady still gets intercepted.
    2nd Half – Brady sneaks in a 14psi football (signed by Aaron Rodgers) and scores 14 unanswered points in fourth quarter to win the game!
    Brady texts Rodgers – “IT WORKED – THANKS”

  116. Foolish Haley. Selfish Haley. Despicable Haley.

    One of the most contemptible people to ever play the game. He has no gravitas when he claims another player has a tarnished career or record.

    It simply makes him look like someone who wants the spotlight, someone who wants to make one of the brighter lights in football history appear dimmer so hopefully Haley’s own dismal past may appear more tolerable by comparison.

    But that’s not going to work. We remember you Haley. We respected your game play. But you are still one of the most vile people to have inhabited a NFL locker room.

    For those of you who might actually not know what I’m getting at, do some looking around.

    Read up on Mr. Haley’s “antics” while he was a pro. Then see if you can stomach your revulsion regarding the man when you think of him.

    Then see if anything he says to the press about football can carry weight with you where the terms or topics of “professionalism, ethics, and legacy” are mentioned by one who clearly had no regard for them during his own career.

  117. You can not deny the fact that cheating will always be mentioned when talking about the Pats SB’s. 15 years from now, it will come up when people talk about this era for the Patriots – like it or not.

  118. “Could say the same about the two 3 and 4 point Giants losses that could have easily been wins.

    #justsayin
    #logic”
    ___

    Logic? When did the Giants every have a GOAT QB?

    That’s your logic?

    #taintedlogic

  119. Montana did cheat, that’s what’s so funny. Salary cap violations, steroids, turning off opponent’s headsets, his Niners were up to their necks in it. People going after Brady betray the same sort of obliviousness as that of Don Shula — the same guy who got the Dolphins convicted of 3 counts of tampering and cost them a first round draft pick just to get hired, and then loved to turn his stadium into a swamp if the opposing team had a good running game. You’re not upset with Brady so much as yourself for believing the old myths and legends in the first place.

  120. Everyone has there opinions. My thing is the extent of spygate was never explained to the public. Maybe it wasn’t that bad, maybe it is far worse than what we know. And as far as I know what was done during spygate was at one point allowed, not sure when the rule was changed.

    Deflategate is a very cloudy situation. Conflicting reports about the pressure of the balls. Guilt is, at this point, assumed not proven. And even if proven we don’t know the severity of it. Was this one game? All season? Ever since Brady began playing?

    I would say that Brady’s legacy can be questioned but tainted discredits all that he had to do in order to win those rings to begin with

  121. Just another player trying to protect his legacy. I would not want to live in Charles Haley’s America where you are guilty until proven incident. No need for proof here. Guilty because I don’t want him to overshadow my legacy.

  122. Coming from a guy who played on two teams that cheated too, I guess he should know what it looks like.

    None of Brady’s rings are tainted he won his first three fair and square. And once this deflategate garbage is proven to be all BS, so will his 4th.

    It still baffles me that people still don’t know what spygate was. Up until 2006, every single team did it. Patriots got caught with a sideline camera in an improper place. After surrendering a draft pick and fine, they nearly ran the table. And as for deflategate, the NFL has nothing and they never will.

    I hope the Patriots win it all again next year and I’m a packers fan.

  123. Outside of golf I would guess most of the mainstream professional sports there is some kind of cheating going on but that’s normally reserved for on field were the refs are there to judge. The Patriots try to get an edge when they hope know body sees them sneaking about in the shadows this is what’s so different and why they will never lose this tarnished tag. Will anybody care in 20yrs I don’t know but I asume there will always be a BUT in people’s thoughts, that is sad because I beleive they would have been pretty successful without this blight on their legacy.

  124. 4 bright shiny Lombardi’s…. How sweet it is
    Can’t wait for the next one cause you know Brady & Bill aren’t even close to being done yet !!!
    Go Pats!!!

  125. all jokes side, he’s right. Spygate may be the worst thing ever done in sports–total cheating. Then you add deflated footballs, come on! Also..also…add to that the patriots win the recent SB because of a horrible call from carrol.

    No way they should be considered the best ever.

  126. BREAKING NFL NEWS UPDATE on DEFLATE-GATE & SB XLIX
    AFC Championship Game Colts vs PATRIOTS
    Brady & Pats rack up 17 points in first half, Brady realizes ‘Hey! Underinflated footballs cost me an interception and 7 points, damn if I will let that happen again, and so Pats inflate footballs to proper NFL specs. RESULTS Pats 28 – colts 0 in second half.
    Now it gets even BETTER.
    Tom Brady calls Aaron Rodgers and asks for advice on beating the Seahawks. Rodgers says ‘Listen Tom, just overinflate the balls to 14psi, the way I like em, and you will win – TRUST ME!
    Superbowl XLIX– 1st HALF – All footballs are proper NFL specs, Dammit – Brady still gets intercepted.
    2nd HALF – Brady sneaks in a 14psi football (signed by Aaron Rodgers) and scores 14 unanswered points in fourth quarter to win the game!
    Brady texts Rodgers – “IT WORKED – THANKS”
    Don’t believe me? Rodgers was there at the game – PROOF!
    Well it is PROOF according to your tainted jealous filled condemnation of the New England Patriots.
    4X SUPERBOWL CHAMPIONS and COUNTING!!!
    GO PATS!
    P.S. Aaron Rodgers signed the 14 psi football so Brady & the Ball Boy knew which one to grab (laughing at you Lynch) when it came to 4th Quarter Crunch Time!
    LOL LMAO LAU

  127. Hey Draculalambert….how badly did the Pats beat your team this year??? How sweet it is Super Bowl Champions again, best run of all time in Professional Football, no questions asked.

  128. I find it amazing how people will comment on the Partriots “cheating”, yet a team that had bounties put on players to increase incentives don’t have their Super Bowl wins challenged.

    It’s so nice to see the kettle calling the pot black with such self-rightous indignation. What an awesome feeling it must be to know one never cheated, or broke the rules, or tried to make a play look like an accident when you meant to do it.

    Those rare and glorified beings should be so proud of themselves. Yes, everybody likes to see justice done, “on somebody else”….lol

  129. Shut up Haley. Like you NEVER did anything contrary to any ‘rule’, NEVER did anything outside the ‘rules’ even if you disagreed, NEVER did anything remotely disingenuous to playing football like stepping on someone’s foot, grabbing their jersey, anything.

  130. Greatest of all time talk is stupid anyway. Same with dynasty talk. Unless the 1989 49ers can line up against the 2004 Pats the arguments over who’s dynasty is better and if Montana or Brady is better will never be answered. Which leads insecure haters to say……whaaaaa they cheated!

  131. Well then.. Using that Logic some of Charles’s rings are tainted.. That being said, perhaps he shouldn’t be in the Hall of fame because that was the biggest argument regarding him being elected. So big Charles, give up the GOLD JACKET!!!

  132. tonebones says:
    Feb 5, 2015 2:20 PM

    “The Patriots have been caught cheating twice. It’s not reasonable to believe they got caught every time they cheated.”

    Well, if that is the case, then the PATRIOTS have cheated more then ALL of the other NFL teams combined and were only caught twice!

    Wow! Now we have definitive proof that the NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS are truly the GREATEST NFL TEAM EVER since they only suffered two losses out of an infinite amount cheating.

    GO 4x SB PATS – BEST EVER

  133. All of Patriots Belicheat era Super Bowl wins are tainted. They haven’t won since Spygate. They’re caught cheating THREE weeks before they win their next Super Bowl. LOL! Cheaters! Cheaters! CHEATERS!

  134. Whatever Patriots accomplished today ,its all because haters like you …you haters actually motivating the patriots by hating and calling them cheater….so keep hating and patriot keep winning …..

  135. WOULD PATRIOT HATERS LIKE TO KNOW WHAT IT’S LIKE TO SEE 4 NICE SHINY RADIANT LOMBARDI TROPHYS WITH YOUR FAVORITE TEAM’S NAME ON IT?

    I WILL TELL THEM SINCE THEY WILL NEVER SEE THEIR TEAM HAVE 4 OF THEM.

    HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  136. “In 2012, nearly five years removed from the incident, former Jets head coach Eric Mangini stated that “I think when you look at the history of success that [the Patriots] had after that incident, it’s pretty obvious that it didn’t play any type of significant role in the victories [the Patriots] had or the success that [the Patriots] had.”[14] As of the conclusion of the 2011 NFL season, the Patriots had the best record in the NFL since Spygate, compiling a 48-16 record from 2008-11 (the Pittsburgh Steelers and New Orleans Saints were second best over that span at 45-19).[27]

    Mangini was employed by the Patriots as an assistant coach and has three Super Bowl rings with the team.

    The Patriots won 69.3 percent of their games while they were presumably taping signals; they have won 75.6 percent of games after the spygate scandal.

    Please, let’s remember, the NFL sent a memo to “All”, remember, All the teams reminding them they can not use any video tape information during a game. The arguement by the Pat’s was they didn’t use anything “during the game”.

    The whole thing is silly, really, since clearing other teams were doing it as well. The Pat’s didn’t really get “caught” doing anything if you believe that Bill actually didn’t use anything video taped “during that game”.

    People might want to actually read the real facts and actions behind the story and not run with what the media “implies” the story is.

  137. Do us a favor.

    Please show some respect for the sacred and hallowed institutions of the NFL such as its Super Bowl champion…. and refer to the team in New England from now on as The Reigning World Champion and 4 time Super Bowl champion Patriots.

    That is all. We fans of the Reigning World Champion and 4 time Super Bowl champions appreciate your assistance on this matter.

  138. Ok, so which half of the football game against the Colts was better? The first half, with deflated footballs or the second half, with the correct inflation of the footballs? Answer, is the second half. They killed the Colts, so why would they have them deflated to start the game. I think, as soon as the Patriots get into a Superbowl, someone has to step up and start a controversy about the team. Because, with so many people hating the Patriots, people will believe it, even if it’s not true. Just trying to tarnish a good teams image.

  139. Shove your * where the sun don’t shine!

    None of you Pats hating skidmarks know what you are talking about!

    You don’t even understand what ‘Spygate’ was even about DUH…

  140. I wonder if Charles remembers the Dallas Cowboys White House. It makes the Vikings Love Boat look like a small row boat. For those who dont know about the White House, it was rented by Dallas WR Alvin Harper. It was a place the players used for partying, doing drugs and entertaining hookers. Nate Newton disputes the drugs but since he was busted with hundreds of pounds of weed his credibility is shot. Also Michael Irvin was a known coke head. So before Haley rips Brady for doing WHAT ALMOST EVERY OTHER QB DOES in taking a little air out of the ball, he should maybe check his own closet first

  141. LOOK AT THE FOUR SHINY LOMBARDI TROPHIES. I CAN’T STOP LOOKING AT THEM AND ADMIRING HOW SHINY THEY ARE. WOW!

  142. Anyone catch Boomer Esiason’s comments on how Haubaugh and Pagano framed the Patriots? Interesting.

  143. We cheated– so what? Who do you think is the most powerful owner in the league you fools?

  144. If Brady gets one more SB Ring, there will be a New Block Buster Movie out about a year later called:

    ‘LORD of The RINGS V – Retirement of the King’

    BB will star as Gandalf
    Edelman will star as Frodo
    Gronkowski will star as Legolas
    Brady will star as Aragorn

  145. Pats should start their own league. This one is too easy. Maybe the Seahawks, Packers, and Ravens can come along. All other teams shouldn’t even bother. 4 team league. I like it.

  146. Congratulations to Jimmy Garoppolo.

    Did a great job being Russell Wilson in practice… and prepared Malcolm Butler for his clutch moment.

    And he now has the same number of rings as Peyton Manning! LOL.

  147. Pats should start their own league. This one is too easy. Maybe the Seahawks, Packers, and Ravens can come along. All other teams shouldn’t even bother. 4 team league. I like it.

    ——–
    GREAT POST!

    The fact is all those other teams are that much inferior to the World Champions. #fact #yestheyare

  148. As classy fans of the World Champions and 4 time Super Bowl champions I think we should show humility and respect to all NFL teams……

    ………NAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH.

    LOL @ ALL OF THEM AND THEIR FANS. THEY ARE BENEATH THE WORLD CHAMPIONS IN EVERY WAY. HAHAHAHAHAHA

  149. Haley is right.

    Brady is a cheater.

    No Honor, No Respect, No Integrity

    That’s the Patriot Way!

  150. yah derrrr uhhh dis guy who has five rings is jealous that brady has four rings derrr uhh yah thats what i tink

  151. The source of Haley’s jealousy over Brady is this;

    Haley was a player on five super bowl winning teams.

    Brady has led 6 Super Bowl teams to 4 SB victories.

    Brady is a LEADER.

    Haley is just a player!

  152. To be fair, the dictionary DEFINES asterisk as: to note omission or doubtful matter. And im pretty sure no one can say for sure how much spygate helped them or how much deflate gate helped them. Hence “doubtful matter”. Pats fans can be ignorant and ignore the dictionary if they want……but if that’s the case the other 31 team fans can ignore the definition of “win” and they can all say they won the superbowl this year. Seems fair.

  153. Haha we are cheaters but we are CHAMPS. We cheated but we O-W-N Goodell.

    The trophy is OURS and you can’t ever take that away haters.

  154. Haley did NOT say Brady’s 4 SB Rings are tainted.

    Turns out that when Haley heard that Brady just won his 4th SB he FAINTED.

    Upon waking, Haley said ‘Tell me it TAINT true.’

    This is a Pun about a Pundidiot!

    LOL

  155. but if that’s the case the other 31 team fans can ignore the definition of “win” and they can all say they won the superbowl this year. Seems fair.


    I THINK THE BILLS SHOULD IGNORE THE DEFINITION OF WIDE RIGHT AND PRETEND NORWOOD DIDN’T CHOKE.

    DISCUSS,

  156. 4 wins by a combined total of 13 points. Well, a win’s a win…still, that’s 4 very close victories, and the last victory could easily, and most probably should have been, a loss.
    ==
    And on the flip side, they lost by 7 in their other two and those took Helmet Catch and Manning-to-Manningham. If you’re going to play the “if” game, then those two should be wins “if” those catches don’t happen. Heck, the entire run-pass question in this game doesn’t become a question if not for a rediculously luck catch. Face it: a world very nearly happened in which BB and TB have six Super Bowl victories in 13 years.

    But it didn’t. They have only four.

  157. There was a letter from some clown in Pa. in yesterday’s Boston Herald asking Pats fans how it felt being fans of one of the most hated teams in pro sports.

    It feels GREAT.

    Thanks for asking.

  158. letsgobuffalo4 says:
    Feb 5, 2015 4:52 PM

    “To be fair, the dictionary DEFINES asterisk as: to note omission or doubtful matter. And im pretty sure no one can say for sure how much spygate helped them or how much deflate gate helped them. Hence “doubtful matter”. Pats fans can be ignorant and ignore the dictionary if they want……but if that’s the case the other 31 team fans can ignore the definition of “win” and they can all say they won the superbowl this year. Seems fair.”

    Actually it has been PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt by simple scientific observance of the NE Patriots going 18-1 in 2007, consistently beating the Buffalo Bills and 30 other NFL teams, as well as beating the #1 SEED in the NFC with perhaps the #1 BEST DEFENSE of ALL TIME in the BIGGEST stage ever – SB XLIX.

  159. Actually it has been PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt by simple scientific observance That the N PATRIOTS have not cheated since the Patriots going 18-1 in 2007, consistently beating the Buffalo Bills and 30 other NFL teams, as well as beating the #1 SEED in the NFC with perhaps the #1 BEST DEFENSE of ALL TIME in the BIGGEST stage ever – SB XLIX.

  160. history of charles haley:

    “He was surely, mean, arrogant. A rotten man,” said Shapiro, who was a long-time football writer for the Washington Post. “I thought he was despicable and a discredit to the game.”
    Shapiro never voted for Haley during the 29 years he served on the committee. When asked to assess Haley as a player, “He’s in the hall of great. Whether he’s a Hall of Famer is debatable.”

  161. One still needs to play the game and make plays to win games. One still need to play well on defense and special teams. Patriots did well in offense, defense and special teams in all 4 Superbowl wins! Other teams had chances to make plays abut they did not. Only the play on the field on game day helps! All preparations goes out of window once the game starts. Even if one team gives entire playbook to the other team, that other team still will need to play better to defeat the first team (who gave the play book).

  162. Brady plays pretty well with inflated balls. Ask the Colts after halftime and the Seahawks after the Super Bowl. Maybe Haley should have an asterix too since he decided to jump ship and go to a better team.

  163. This guy cheated more than anyone. It’s obvious that he is deflecting here.

    I hate the fact that New England won, but this is getting foolish.

    He might as well be saying, “Hey, look over there!” so we turn away from his cheating past.

    You know it’s getting ridiculous if I’m now agreeing with NE fans on this. The vitriol is getting quite transparent at this point.

  164. I am just amazed that folks from NE think they are the center of the known universe, yet they do not understand that everytime they cheat an opponent, they gain a new enemy.

    Just so they understand, I support my team, and whoever is playing the NE Cheaters.

  165. The nation continues to enjoy your pain and suffering…Hawks Trolls. And we don’t even like the Pats.

    Gosh that still hurts huh? It’s like all 31 other teams won the SB.

    Feels great! Keep being trash talking jerks!

  166. Everybody believes the Patriots SB victory is tainted except for the fans of the Patriots. Goes to show you how sad that fan base is. If I found out my hero was a cheater I would be devastated. But a win is a win right? lol… wow

  167. My problem with Haley denigrating Tom Brady’s Super Bowl wins is that he is basing it all on anonymous sourced leaks and innuendo. Maybe the better thing to do would have been to just be happy to be elected into the Hall of Fame and wait for the official report before spouting his mouth off.

  168. Joe Montana played in a time when they probably didn’t even check the footballs. Does anyone really believe that Montana didn’t want the football a certain way too?

    Charles Haley, come down off of your high horse. By the way, there were two or three other candidates that were far more worthy of having been selected for the Hall of Fame this year than yourself.

  169. bobonmycob says: Feb 5, 2015 7:44 PM

    Everybody believes the Patriots SB victory is tainted except for the fans of the Patriots. Goes to show you how sad that fan base is. If I found out my hero was a cheater I would be devastated. But a win is a win right? lol… wow

    ————————————————————–

    I’m a Vikings fan and I don’t think the Patriots SB victory is tainted. The better team just won. Sorry.

  170. Haley is mentally deranged and a terrible sport.
    And so is anyone who thinks that Brady only wins by cheating. The NFL enforces rules, everyone plays by the same rules, including Brady. If he and the Pats were cheats they would have been shut down a long time ago.
    Every team and every quarterback bends the rules just short of breaking them except New Orleans who got slammed for paying hit money… they clearly went past the bends and broke the rules and the NFL was quick and severe in punishing them. Were the Pats actually breaking vs bending they too would have been slammed.
    Simple facts folks, deal with it.

  171. I’m a Cowboys fan, and I’m kind of tired of seeing people pile on the Pats. It’s pretty obvious that they are the best team right now. I hope my Cowboys play them in the SB next year!!!

  172. Let’s apply the ‘What IF’ Law of Events and see how Super Bowl XLIX really ends.

    ‘What IF’ Law of Events states: Each opponent applies one ‘What IF’ to the game. Each ‘What IF must be Balanced/Play for Play.

    OK – READY -SET – GO

    ‘What IF’ Seahawks hand ball to Lynch at end of game = TOUCH DOWN

    ‘What IF’ Brady does not throw interception in first half = TOUCH DOWN

    Super Bowl XLIX ‘What IF’ Final Score =
    PATRIOTS 35
    Seahawks 31

  173. The NFL analysts were predicting a close game and that “One Play” will determine the outcome of the game. They just did not know which team was going to make that “One Play”.

    Well, they got that one right and Boy, What a play it was!

    Most are saying that this was top five best ever super bowls.

    Butler’s game winning interception at the one yard line with only seconds left in the game = PRICELESS.

    Sherman’s face going from jubilant to “OH MY God” “NO NO”

    PRICELESS

  174. flash1283 says:
    Feb 5, 2015 11:46 AM
    Bill Walsh was the GM of the 49ers when they were fined a million dollars and lost 2 draft picks
    =======================================
    Tom Brady was QB of the Pats when he had the balls deflated. BB was the coach.

  175. I hope it tastes really good when the investigation formally reveals that there was no ‘Deflategate’ and you haters have to eat your own words. ESPN has already determined that 10 of the 11 were erroneously reported as being under-inflated…there was no underhanded activity all you guys are just jealous that the Pats are that good.
    -This is from a true Patriots fan who loved them back when they couldn’t buy a win (the early 70’s), the Plunkett years.

  176. This is the second article where the author compares spigot and deflate gate versus teams misusing the salary cap. There is a huge difference in trying to pay your players more money to keep them then recording signs and practices of the other team.
    My feelings for Coach Bill Belicheck is like that for Barry Bonds… I think most of us could agree that Barry Bonds is one of the greatest hitters to ever play the game of baseball. And I think most of us could agree that Belicheck is one of the greatest coaches to ever coach. But because they both cheated, it is hard to root for them. I want to root for them, but I just can’t. And it’s not out of anger, I’m just sad. They have embarrassed the games of baseball and football.
    Brady, I’m not sure if his legacy should be tainted, and there are some phenomenal players on the patriots. But I think it’s not the players who have tarnished their legacies, it’s the coach. Belicheck should have banned by Goodell the minute it came out that Belicheck was cheating. But he didn’t and the game will never be able to regain the trust again. Much like baseball. Very. Sad.

  177. I am just amazed that folks from NE think they are the center of the known universe

    —-
    FANS OF THE WORLD CHAMPS *ARE* THE CENTER OF THE KNOWN UNIVERSE.

    EVEN ALL YOU INFERIOR FANS OF INFERIOR TEAMS KNOW THE PATRIOTS ARE WHERE IT’S AT IN SPORTS. THE SPORTS WORLD REVOLVE AROUND THE GREATEST DYNASTY IN THE HISTORY OF THE NFL.

    DON’T CRY, IT’S NOT YOUR FAULT THAT YOUR TEAM IS INFERIOR AND DOESN”T BELONG ON THE SAME FIELD AS THE WORLD CHAMPION PATRIOTS.

  178. bobonmycob says:
    Feb 5, 2015 7:44 PM
    Everybody believes the Patriots SB victory is tainted except for the fans of the Patriots. Goes to show you how sad that fan base is. If I found out my hero was a cheater I would be devastated. But a win is a win right? lol… wow

    Bob – Time to join the real world. Hate to tell you but some of your heroes cheat. Sorry to spoil your day.

  179. mnsadsportsfan says:
    Feb 5, 2015 7:54 PM
    Charles Haley is certifiable

    You left off the last word, “crazy”.

  180. It’s hilarious how many of you ignore the parts of the story that don’t fit your little cheating narrative. Like only one of the balls was deflated two psi and it just happened to bet he one the colts took after the interception. The other ten were slightly under regulation. I love how these players feel the need to interject their opinion without a single shred of fact. Most dont even know Brady. And it is hilarious you all think that even if he was cheating, that slightly deflated footballs or taping practices can explain complete dominance for 15 years…

  181. Listened to the Haley interview. The guy was either drunk or is just plain dumb. Hard to understand and even harder to respect.

  182. This is such a pointless debate, the stuff of am radio sports talk idiot shows. It doesn’t matter what is tainted or not. How many of us have ever seen this official NFL record book? What matters is who wins the next one. Who wouldn’t be happy to have Belichick for a coach or Brady as QB? Come on, be honest, you all would, if your team had the opportunity.

  183. OK, from a Pats fan, here’s my 2 cents:

    The main reason Pats fans are defending them is because we know the facts. No offense, but the people calling them “cheaters”, if they KNEW the facts of some of the allegations, they wouldn’t be say saying squat. And whenever someone tries to explain it on say a board like this, they simply ignore it. It’s like arguing with a wall, but for the sake of the argument, I’ll try again.

    Brady in the Deflated Ball nonsense – This was a BS rumor started by the GM of the Colts to try and bag the Pats. If you follow this story closely (which I have from the get go) you’d now know that the original “story” that all 12 of the Patriots footballs were “significantly underinflated” is false. This isn’t opinion. It’s fact. 1 of the 12 balls measured in at 2 psi under regulation. If people stopped and thought about this, 2 things would dawn upon them:

    1.Since testing footballs at halftime for air pressure has never been done before, nobody has any clue as to what the psi would (or should) be. The ball needs to be between 12.5 – 13.5 psi at the start of the game. If the ball starts out at 12.5, then of course, after a half of being used in cold, damp temperatures, it’s going to lose some air pressure. Under several tests since, the balls psi will drop anywhere from 1 to 2 psi. The ball is leather. This is what happens under these conditions. Belichick was right. Not much different from air pressure being low in your tires. Biggest difference is, leather suck in moisture more than rubber. The Colts footballs (if tested, as now there are reports that they were not) may have been inflated to 13.5 psi. If those balls lost 1 psi, when tested, they’d still be regulation. This was a witch hunt, plain and simple.

    2.Spygate. Yes, Belichick was fined for videotaping teams practices. What he was doing wasn’t illegal. The entire issue was where he was videotaping from. If anybody thinks this gave the Patriots an advantage, they’re being delusional. After this “story” broke, it became made knowledge to the public that several teams did this. Most just stopped because they didn’t feel as though it helped at all. All current NFL coaches that have been questioned about this defended Belichick. All past coaches have as well, with 1 exception: Don Shula. Not sure what his axe to grind is, but he’s also been the only coach who has gotten on their case about the deflated footballs as well. As most people know, the Patriots have a higher winning percentage AFTER “Spygate” then before. They’ve been to as many Super Bowls since. The 3 Super Bowls they won before were each won by 3 points. The 2 Super Bowls they lost were by 3 and 4 points. The game they won was by 4 points. If you use ANY common sense, you’d see there is absolutely no link between “Spygate” and the Patriots success.

    These are the facts. Pats fans defend these facts because we know them. The rest of the country brand the Pats as cheaters because it’s easier to label a team cheaters then to acknowledge that their favorite team, simply isn’t as good. That and people are like sheep and simply listen to whatever the media tells them, and won’t believe otherwise unless they actually get all the facts, which in these cases, naturally, only fans of the team would bother to do.

  184. The Entire NFL is “tainted” because the league is essentially an “entertainment” league. By filing under entertainment corporation, they can essentially ‘fix’ their own games, just like Pro Wrestling. There’s lots to read on the internet, look into it and research it, there are no “laws” preventing Bob Backlund from lifting Andre the Giant over his head and bodyslamming him…..its all entertainment,its not a “pure” sporting contest, its scripted entertaiment…no difference between Brady and Big John Studd, they’re comic book heroes for the most part.

  185. all these Tom fanboys are hilarious… no way those footballs are under pressure unless he wanted it that way…. period… Brady cheated.

    all you fanboys have posters of Tom on the ceiling over your beds… admit it guys….

  186. How many times during his career did Haley get caught for cheating? How many times did he get away with cheating? Apparently, Haley isn’t smart enough to figure out that penalties are called for violations of the rules, ie: cheating! And that kind of cheating has a direct impact on the games.

  187. Im STILL waiting for anyone to provide proof that anyone on the Patriots did anything wrong. There is only ONE fact in this entire media firestorm: The balls deflated! Nobody knows who, how, when, where etc. And as everyone knows, the balls COULD have deflated by themselves in the weather. Time to move on!

  188. 20 years from now when paying customers enter the hall of fame, the well worn path will be to the bust of Tom Brady…. not Charles Haley!

    Tom will get more than enough “respect” from the people who count.

    So Charles, keep your respect. Tom don’t need yours.

    never did, never will

  189. In view of PROVEN cheating in all sports, a big asterisk, then, could go besides most athletes names. Of course, this happened when big sports became big money.

  190. Charles Haley was part of the 49ers that completely ignored the salary Cap until the league increased the penalties to the point the Niner’s could no longer ignore it. Should people add an “*” next to their Superbowl wins since they were playing with teams with an unfair advantage?

    no. Comment Charles.

    Falcon’s have been using canned crowd noise in a few games in 2013 and 2014 ? Where is this story?

    Brown’s staff, using their phones to text down to coaches? Not supposed to use any equipment except NFL sanctioned equipment. Where’s this story?

    Leak # 1. 11/12 balls under inflated.

    Leak # 2. Of those 11 balls. One (1) was 2 psi down 10.5, the other ten (10) balls? 12.3,12.4,12.35,12.25,12.4,12.35,12.27,12.4,12.38,12.22…. Hummm……. League rules state 12.5-13.5 +/- 10%

    Will I say that the one ball that was 2 psi down is probably the one ball that was intercepted by the Colts and that its very interesting that that ball is the one that is an issue?
    No I don’t think I need to say anything until the NFL releases their actual report. UNLIKE EVERYONE ELSE….

    The Pats have the best active winning record in the History of the NFL in the last decade but, everything they do is because they cheated?

    Did the pats make the refs review the tuck call? No, that was the ref’s on the field @ the time. You have an issue with the call you contact the ref’s not the pats they had nothing to do with the call. Good calls/ bad calls all part of the game.

    Like the facemask calls not made during the Pat’s /Giants game, The holding call not made when Eli gets escapes out of the pocket after the wistle doesn’t blow for in the grass… after forward progress was stopped for several seconds….

  191. I wonder why the 49ers Super Bowls aren’t tainted. On ESPN.com there is a video of the Evolution of the Glove that was done after the Odell Beckham catch. In that video Jerry Rice admits to a “kinda illegal” action of putting stickem on his gloves…. So on one hand we are saying Brady is tainted for something that there is increasingly less and less evidence… and on the other Jerry the Greatest Football Player Ever is admitting to breaking a rule for a competitive advantage.

  192. Right or wrong,it is a true statement. It will be forever tainted,and if proven deflate gate will just add to it. Pat’s fans may not like it,but it is a fact .

  193. Charles Haley’s coach in Dallas Jimmy Johnson admitted to spying, his WR Jerry Rice admitted to using stickum and his 49ers team was punished for circumventing the salary cap yet the Patriots championships are tainted? Pot….kettle….black.

  194. Charles, Charles, Charles.

    “Joe didn’t have to cheat,” Haley said. “Jerry Rice had to cheat. I’ve lost all respect [for Rice]. When you admit that you cheated for years in the game of football, to me, all his Super Bowls are tainted. You have to say this just didn’t happen overnight. Who wants that shadow over them? I could be wrong.”

    Make your apology now, Charles.

  195. They all think they did it better. Shut up Mr Haley. The Steelers had their steroids, the 49’s cut off head phones on side lines with 25 scripted plays so the other side was blind, while you played Mr Haley, the Colts built a stadium to make their fans sound louder than they are and the Pats taped a game while 85,000 people watched. Sour grapes pal..

  196. Pats won fair and square. Boomer announced on air that only ONE of the footballs, in fact the one the COLTS turned in, was 2psi low. The other 11 were all within a tick or 2 of 12.5.

    The haters are about to look as stupid as Haley does here.

  197. Cut Haley some slack – he’s essentially a forgotten warrior clinging to his uniqueness as being the only player w 5 SB rings – before today’s dustup, most people outside Dallas & SF would be saying “Charles Who?” Part of him is saying “5 rings is MY thing” “Tom, you already got worldwide acclaim, so please stop at 4 SBs and let me keep what I got”
    I remember back in the Pats undefeated reg season, they dragged out the 72 Dolphins and actually showed them watching the Super Bowl together — do we think they were rooting for the Pats to succeed? Of course not. And I remember once Larry Bird was threatening the NBAs consecutive free throw mark ( since eclipsed) – it was in Houston against the Rockets and they dragged the current holder ( was it Murphy?) into the stands to witness the possible passing of this pretty marginal “best – Eva” to Bird. It was pitiful to watch Murphy squirm as Bird drained FT after FT. Finally Bird missed and Murphy was thrilled that his cheesy record was still alive. Bird had so many accolades that he needed that one like a hole in the head, so I’ve always wondered if he missed on purpose. SB rings however ain’t cheesy free throws so don’t count on TB being quite so solicitous of Haley’s tender feelings.

  198. Haley, I guess you didn’t know about all the stickum Rice was using after it was illegal. All of your rings are tainted with stickum, peds and stupidity. Get lost Charles the game has passed you by.

  199. the balls were NOT deflated…it has already been established by ESPN and the NFL that only ONE of the balls were under-inflated this whole controversy needs to be brought to a halt NOW!!!

  200. So, Charles, let’s reflect on your 5 rings.

    Your teammate, Jerry Rice, has admitted to cheating with the illegal use of stickum. So, what did Joe know and when did he know it? Maybe Joe benefitted from the reisidual Stickum left on the ball from Rice’s gloves by acquiring a better grip on the ball.

    There’s three tainted rings.

    Then, you go to Dallas and win 2 more SBs under a coach who has admitted to employing Spygate-like tactics just like Belichick did.

    There’s 2 more tainted rings for a total of 5.

    Before you open your mouth, maybe you should reflect about your own teams and just keep your mouth shut.

    “I could be wrong, but…”

  201. Every comment about the pats haters is just proof that the pats fans are upset that their teams integrity is under fire… And that they can’t win without a scandal or conspiracy showing up. All of these comments continue to prove you NE fans feel that way. And don’t want to admit it.

  202. rodger the doger does it agin he could have video of brady deflating balls in a hotel elevator lets face it it was the BALCO BOWL Brady was in the CLEAR

  203. I enjoyed the Patriots victory, the parade and all the celebrations. Don’t care what anyone thinks or says. Never have, never will.

  204. Lets compile a list.
    We can start with these and add as we go
    The Niners have Salarycap gate and Stickumgate.
    The Broncos have Salarycap gate and Helmet speaker gate
    The Steelers have cheating coach who steps on the field gate
    The Packers have INflategate
    The Colts have Noisegate
    The Vikings have Noisegate
    The Browns have Textgate
    The Saints have Bountygate

    I’m sure there are more but this is a decent start.

    BTW………When Charles Haley and Ray Lewis are the voices of reason on this matter…………pretty sad state of affairs

  205. My god, people! If you’re going to cite “spygate” as indisputable evidence of cheating, at least have an understanding of what the whole thing was about.

    Spygate was NOT about videotaping other teams’ practices. It was about having a camera on the sideline DURING GAMES, taping the other team’s defensive signals for use the next time they met.

    There is no part of spygate that has anything to do with videotaping practices. The allegation that the Pats videotaped the Rams’ last walkthrough before the SB has been retracted by the reported who originally broke the story. It’s a myth. It didn’t happen.

    1) Spygate was simply about camera placement – the NFL didn’t want the camera on the sidelines. The actual videotaping was legal by NFL rules.

    2) The NFL memo which talks specifically about videotaping was not accurate per the rules at the time. Roger Goodell cannot make or change rules – only the owners can.

    3) Goodell, a former Jets employee, issued his ridiculous punishments four days after the Jets turned the Pats in for spygate. Quite an investigation, eh?

    4) The Jets were caught doing the exact same thing to the Pats during the playoffs the previous year, but the Pats didn’t turn them in to the league.

    I’m a Browns fan, but I’m tired of the piling on and the constant “they’ve been caught cheating over and over” – complete nonsense. There is no “over and over”. There isn’t even a “once”. It was a technical rule violation regarding camera placement.

    Plenty of coaches have come forth and said that stealing the other teams’ defensive signals was a common practice, and it was/is not illegal. (with radio helmets it’s kind of outdated now).

    Terry Bradshaw, in his autobiography, says that the Steelers used to underinflate footballs all the time. Anyone want to put an asterisk by his SB wins?

  206. salutethis says:
    Feb 8, 2015 8:53 AM

    Yeah, the NE homers are Judging Haley for his comments… The rest of the country just agrees with him

    Every comment about the pats haters is just proof that the pats fans are upset that their teams integrity is under fire… And that they can’t win without a scandal or conspiracy showing up. All of these comments continue to prove you NE fans feel that way. And don’t want to admit it.

    ———————————

    No. What we as Pats fans are trying to point out is the hypocrisy of the haters such as yourself who only make idiotic statements like yours above without even realizing how stupid you sound for not acknowledging the shenanigans of other teams especially when players from those teams (Rice, Haley) are perpetrators and beneficiaries of cheating (Rice with the use of Stickum and Haley for being on Rice’s team and on a Jimmy Johnson team that used Spygate methods as well). It’s the haters who deny all of the actions of other teams because of pure jealousy of the Patriots. Once you haters are consistent in your arguments, not only might we listen to you but all of this would probably just go away because, as we have said, there just isn’t anything there.

  207. Tainted is about as perfect as a word you can think of when describing Brady or Belichick’s success*. Outside of Pats fans most everyone believes this, and always will.

  208. The problem with loser’s mentalities always has been, and always will be, the need to attempt to blame someone or something for their own inadequacies.

    I always respect the players who man up and say “we just got beaten by a better team today”, and go work on the things they need to in order to improve, hoping to compete in the future.

    The same could be applied to fans, but most of them can’t admit that the Patriots are, and have been, flat out good for a long time. Sorry if that bothers you. Owning up to that takes much more guts and staring in the mirror than scatter-shot accusations and witch-hunt crowd tactics.

    To sum up the Patriots successes by lazily mouthing the word “cheater” every time they win is laughable. These meatheads should know that it’s impossible to be done that way and it’s much too simple of an explanation for their legendary run. I don’t think all your misinformed ranting really even makes you feel better, but good luck to you in your journey to find some level of peace. If and when your team is consistently a winner, I’ll be the first one on line to admit it, and respect the ability that made it that way.

  209. “Tainted is about as perfect as a word you can think of when describing Brady or Belichick’s success*. Outside of Pats fans most everyone believes this, and always will.”

    I have to agree with seabrawk12, it doesn’t matter what the facts turn out to be, their minds are sealed. An exoneration, should there be one, has already been determined to be a whitewash, so they can’t lose this argument either way.

  210. They deflated all of this year every time they had inclement weather such as rain, cold, wind, etc. They started after that awful game in Kansas City when they got an idea that at 37 Brady’s arm was behaving more like 10 years younger with the off spec balls and there was easier cathing and less fumbling.

    With the Pats it is always some gimmick when they want to tilt the field. And it is as simple as one former AFC East said that:

    “if it would not be helping them they would not go to such extent to gust up the rule book. I mean that business about the SPYGATING during the 3 SuperBowl years after they had been told to stop it and they continued to do it takes a lot of brazen rogue attitude and part of it is that OWNER KRAFT knows he has the Commisioner in his pocket to the point that the evidence was destroyed and burned… let me repeat that unprecedented step:

    – the evidence was destroyed and evaporated and nobody got to see the extent of the transgression and how bad it was, and it must have been bad for that Commissioner to do that favor for KRAFT! And the balls used against Baltimore were also underinflated but there was also that other underreporting people with running back numbers and then reporting them eligible and then not and then yes… confused the referees, never, ever, has anyone tried to deceive the spirit of competition.

    And now the narrative for PATRIOT NATION is oh but everybody cheats so it all must be OK, then because look that guy said he put urine on his shirt to make others not block him and then the others spit on the eyes of the blocker and the other used glue … so it is OK for the PATRIOTS to cheat.

    But the Saints got their team cannibalized when they did not even do anything to compromise the INTEGRITY of the game. Yes GOODELL THE CANNIBAL OF NEW ORLEANS is not even going to do half of that to the Patriots and he has been ordered to apologize by KRAFT and he will and the other owners will do nothing about it and leave the other 30 plus owners unprotected from the rogues of New England.

  211. i cant believe this discussion is still ongoing…you all are gonna feel REAL silly when the official word is released that there was no “Deflategate”…Haley has no grounds on which to judge…there was no cheating…the Patriots are just that good…when you have the best coach in the league and the best QB and then you know how to increase your offensive weapons, then what can be expected?

  212. So using his logic wouldn’t that taint at least two of Joe Montana’s Super Bowls he won with Jerry Rice? Jerry Rice has said he used stickum on his gloves which is and was illegal in the NFL.

  213. Being snowed in sure leaves the Pats fans a lot of time.
    I saw all I needed to during the “parade” where they spent more time bashing Seattle (hello, games over) instead of celebrating their win.

    Must of really got under their skin. No class Pats. That’s what hey can call their team.

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