League not saying if investigation includes whether Colts deflated ball

AP

At the Scouting Combine, Colts coach Chuck Pagano dismissed the notion that someone from his team took air out of the Patriots football brought to the sideline by linebacker D’Qwell Jackson “ludicrous.”

Those investigating the #DeflateGate controversy may not share that view.

Officially, the NFL has no comment on whether the Ted Wells investigation includes the question of whether the football the Colts obtained from the Patriots and gave to the NFL was deflated by the Colts.  Unofficially, the investigation must at least explore the possibility.

The chain of custody necessarily was interrupted when the Colts secured possession of the football.  Assuming the Colts may have deflated a football that came into the team’s possession is no less ludicrous than assuming the Patriots may have deflated it.

If it’s true that the football obtained by the Colts was even more deflated that the rest of the footballs being used by the New England offense, it’s at least possible that one of the various people who handled the ball after Jackson brought it to the sideline removed air from it, especially in light of G.M. Ryan Grigson’s admission that the Colts alerted the NFL to concerns about deflation in the days before the AFC title game.  The Colts knew that air pressure was an issue; if a rogue employee from the Patriots was capable of taking air out of the footballs, a rogue employee from the Colts may have been capable of it, too.

It doesn’t mean the Colts deflated the football.  It also doesn’t mean the Colts didn’t.  It means that the NFL must rule out that the ball was deflated by the Colts if the NFL plans to conclude that the Patriots did.

115 responses to “League not saying if investigation includes whether Colts deflated ball

  1. Gotta love the league just trying to let this thing disappear and hope everyone just forgets about it. I don’t really care which side is to blame but for Christ sake give us some closure!

  2. blackandbluedivision says:
    Feb 22, 2015 9:37 PM
    I thought 11 out of 12 were under. So did they do all of them too?

    ———————————————-

    You’re clearly slow to catch up with all the development.

  3. IF this turns out to be the Colts having altered the balls in any way I hope that the Bill Polian loving ESPN Network takes as much time to destroy the reputation of that franchise as they have attempted in doing so to the Patriots. Of course they won’t but one can only hope.

  4. Next theory: There is a Colt’s guy who did deflated the ball, he was a double agent working for the Colts, but also being paid by the Patriots to deflate the ball and cause a convoluted mess… Only a Patriot would do something sneaky and underhanded, right?

  5. That’s because it wasn’t a member of the Colts organization.
    It was Kensil, who was out there to try and catch the Patriots red-handed, and saw a way to do it by deflating that ball to start the, well, ball rolling…

    And now it’s blowing up in his face.

    The Colts, except probably Grigson (maybe Irsay, depending on his sobriety levels), are unwitting pawns in this Idiocracy style investigation.

  6. What is more probable.

    The Pats set all their balls PSI to 12.5 and the cold temperature brings the ball down to 11.5.

    Or

    The Colts hear a rumor that the Pats use deflated balls. They intercept one and then a little more air out of it just to mess with them.

  7. The results of the investigation will reflect more poorly on the NFL than the Patriots or the Colts. Nothing was logged and Kensil inflated all of the balls at halftime. If the Colts were concerned about deflated balls before the game and the league waited until halftime to “sting” the Patriots, then the league was willing to allow the Patriots play with under inflated balls for a full half, then it’s just not that big of a deal. My gut instinct is that there will not be enough evidence either way and Goodell will not apologize to the Patriots because he wants to save face. He’ll say that the investigation did not clear the Patriots, but the results weren’t enough to do much else.

  8. 17-7 at the half. “Deflated” balls are out for the 2nd half and Patriots outscore Colts 28-0.

    Where is the advantage here?

  9. When Pagano called the theory that the Colts deflated the football “ludicrous”, he should realize how he sounds. The entire situation – set in to motion by Grigson – is ludicrous.

    Pagano should also consider that either he or his GM is lying. He said he had no knowledge of any deflated footballs but Grigson said it was a concern since the regular season.

    So, which is it boys?

  10. nflr92 says:
    Feb 22, 2015 10:16 PM
    17-7 at the half. “Deflated” balls are out for the 2nd half and Patriots outscore Colts 28-0.

    Where is the advantage here?
    _______________
    How about the 4 point win the week before? I can see an advantage there.

  11. If the Colts deflated the football, then all of New England thanks you Indy for your first round pick this year. Cheers.

  12. “Lose chain of custody and you lose case”

    Absolutely. If the “evidence” against the Patriots that’s been presented so far in this case were presented in a court of law, rather than the kangaroo court that is the NFL, this case would have been laughed out of court already.

  13. Another possibility is that the Colts inadvertently deflated the ball by testing its air pressure. The question would be, how much air does a ball lose when you stick a needle in it to test the air pressure? The Colts may have done this multiple times.

  14. “When Pagano called the theory that the Colts deflated the football “ludicrous”, he should realize how he sounds”

    No kidding. The Colts have a long and sorry history of complaining to the league about the Patriots when they couldn’t beat them on the field….

    – complaints about the Pats DBs manhandling the Colts’ WRs in the 2003 AFCC game (leading to the league changing the rules for them)

    – complaints in 2005 about the condition of the field at Gillette (resulting in the league forcing the Pats to re-sod the field)

    – complaints to the league in 2006 about the Pats supposedly being awarded too many compensatory draft picks

    – and finally, complaints about allegedly deflated balls

    Year after year, the Colts complain to the league about the Pats because they can’t beat them on the field, whee it counts. Now, FINALLY, someone puts THEM under the microscope, and Pagano is outraged.

    God, what a pathetic organization! If I were a Colts fan I’d be embarrassed.

  15. “All of the Colts draft picks go to the Patriots”

    That is, unless they’ve already traded all their high draft picks for below average running backs.

    God, what a sorry organization the Colts are. It’s going to be such a pleasure to watch the Patriots stomp them to a bloody pulp again next season.

  16. The Colts coach doth protest too much, methinks.

    Florio is right that the whole deflategate story is ludicrous but it was the Colts who have made it so. Virtually nothing the Colts say passes the smell test.

    1. They can’t have had issues with the balls from the regular season game because that game was in Indy and the balls were in the Colts possession.

    2. Initially the Colts said that they were first alerted to the issues on Jackson’s interception and that it was Jackson who noticed he ball was soft. Both of those “facts” proved to be fabrications, admitted now by the Colts.

    3. The rationale that they wanted a “level playing field” is hogwash. They wanted to damage the Patriots and pursued the story through Kensil instead of through the game official who was responsible for the balls and the psi.

    4. The Colts leaked the story to a sympathetic Indy-based reporter (that has nothing to do with a “level playing field”) with the only plausible reason for doing so being a deire to hurt the Patriots who just beat them 45-7.

    5. The Colts have an owner that was suspended by the league, a GM under pressure for his personnel moves, a key defensive lineman suspended for PEDS, a linebacker arrested for rape, two other players arrested for assault and DUI (pointing a scandalous finger at the Patriots took the heat off the Colts not only for poor play but for a host of off-field issues)

    6. The Colts’ guy in the NFL office (Kensil) that inserted himself into the investigation in a number of ways that broke NFL protocol and he has also been tied to recent attempts to wrongly accuse a Patriots part-time employee.

    7. Irsay, Grigson, and Pagano might as well be in witness protection they are so incommunicado at a time they are hosting the NFL draft combine.

    8. The ball that started the scandal is reported to have a much lower psi than any other ball, was in the Colts possession, and neither the ref or the Colts player that had possession of that ball prior to the Colts sideline did not notice anything wrong with the ball.

  17. Given how the NFL’s case against the Patriots is falling apart at the seams, it’s frightening to think that there were actually people who were seriously suggesting after the AFCC game that the Patriots should be disqualified from playing in the Super Bowl.

    What a travesty that would have been.

    It’s pretty obvious at this point that the league has zero proof that the Pats did anything wrong. That being the case, there needs to be some kind of sanction against the Colts.

    Think about it. These accusations and the resulting investigation could have been a real distraction to the Patriots as they prepared for the Super Bowl. Given how close the game was, it could have very well made the difference between winning and losing.

    There has to be some kind of price to be paid for teams that make accusations that turn out to be groundless. Otherwise, what’s going to discourage teams from doing this again?

  18. It wasn’t just a groundless accusation.

    The leaked the story with malice and the intent to harm the Patriots. That alone should result in penalties and sanctions.

    It is a whole other kettle of fish as to whether they doctored ball or the story. That would take it to a whole other level.

  19. All these years later, to see the Colts finally get their spotlight as the most crooked franchise in the league is delicious. It’s time to end the Irsay legacy of billionaire drunks dragging the sport down with them.

  20. It’s funny how no one here seems to be able to fathom that the Patriots actually cheated…again. It has to be toe NFLs fault or the Colts fault or anyone else but the Patriots. So, it makes a difference if the NFL left things alone to see if the Patriots were cheating.. Or does it just make you mad cause your team got caught cheating?
    The Colts thought balls were under inflated, turns out they were right. So the Patriots were probably playing with balls that were not in regulation ALL SEASON LONG. Even if they weren’t cheating intentionally, they had an unfair advantage in every game all season. I think it was intentional … The Patriots are known as a dirty, classless, cheating team already. It’s only NE fans that are too blind to see it.

  21. Jim Irsay is the scum that ferments this whole stinking story if you ask me. He won’t be happy until he changes all the rules in the NFL to say Rule 6969 : if you are winning a game vs the Colts you must lose said game on purpose to appease Jim Irsay

  22. Chris Mortenson (aka the Mannings houseboy) reported that 10 balls were two pounds underweight. Kensil (ex Jets employee) unilaterally fills the 10 balls at halftime and thus destroys the evidence. Indianapolis shill, Bob Kravitz publicly reports that the NFL ( aka Kensil) has determined that the Patriots have unilaterally deflated their game balls. Kravitz publicly, and in written format demands that the NFL suspend Bill Belichick and Bob Kraft forthwith and indefinitely, putting the Colts in the Super Bowl.

  23. Report comment
    marauders2001 says:
    Feb 22, 2015 11:33 PM
    It’s funny how no one here seems to be able to fathom that the Patriots actually cheated…again. It has to be toe NFLs fault or the Colts fault or anyone else but the Patriots. So, it makes a difference if the NFL left things alone to see if the Patriots were cheating.. Or does it just make you mad cause your team got caught cheating?
    The Colts thought balls were under inflated, turns out they were right. So the Patriots were probably playing with balls that were not in regulation ALL SEASON LONG. Even if they weren’t cheating intentionally, they had an unfair advantage in every game all season. I think it was intentional … The Patriots are known as a dirty, classless, cheating team already. It’s only NE fans that are too blind to see it.

    —————-
    No Patriots fans are mad about anything. Our team won the Super Bowl. We come on to PFT to keep reading and writing about it for the whole offseason. Why are you here? To explain why you know the Patriots cheated, even though you have no idea?

  24. This whole thing is one long string of news manipulation and the public are too dim to see it. The NFL types will all say “No comment. We’re waiting for the Wells report to come out,” and then leak the information they want in the paper. Grigson the other day didn’t have to say anything about whether he reported the Patriots or not. It was especially telling that he said a little, before reverting to the tried and true “waiting for the Wells report.” These guys are all total phonies. Where do you think Grigson wants the attention: on deflategate or half his players getting arrested? He said just enough to get everyone writing about deflategate (and not his players), but not enough to matter.

  25. Marauders is on here because his sorry ass team never wins. The only way he can try to feel better is talking stupid crap about the best football team ever.

  26. Guess what.

    Even if there is video evidence showing kraft belichick and Brady all cheating. .. I don’t care. Do it again next year. But just find a way to make the ending a little less dramatic.

  27. John Harbaugh says he had no role in #DeflateGate

    Posted by Mike Florio on February 1, 2015, 3:52 PM EST

    AP

    One NBC’s Super Bowl pregame as a guest analyst, Harbaugh rejected the notion that he had any role in the process.

    “I heard all that, I couldn’t believe it when I heard it,” Harbaugh told Bob Costas.  “It’s ridiculous, it never happened, I’ve been, I never made any call, nobody in our organization made any call.  As a matter of fact, just to make sure I had all the facts, I called up Chuck Pagano and asked him, ‘Did anybody else in our organization tip you off about deflated footballs?’ and he said, ‘No way.’”

    Let’s not forget this quote.
    .

  28. The Weasels(I think that sounds better than the Pats) have cheated many times, filmed faked injuries, so it seems obvious that they need to blame the Colts, or anyone else who caught them cheating! Colts, planned on intercepting a ball deflating it! But wait how did they steal the other 11 balls? If there was anything to count on it is the Weasels Will Cheat, Again! They are consistent Cheater!

  29. lanman11 says:
    Feb 22, 2015 10:08 PM
    All of the Colts draft picks go to the Patriots….

    My biggest concern in this circus is that Irsay might experience a nanosecond of sobriety and fire Grigson. With Grigson gone the Colts could stumble into a competent GM, and actually be legit contenders to represent the AFC in the Super Bowl in 2-3 years. I hope Grigson stays, and the Colts continue to get crushed by the AFC heavyweights in the playoffs after winning their division year after year.

    Of course if Grigson stays and the Texans can get some decent QB play then the Texans will overtake the Colts in that division.

  30. so the Colts gained possession of and deflated 11 footballs from the Patriots sideline?

    the ides is ridiculous

  31. the Pats, as a team culture, look for every loophole and have no problem bending or breaking any rule they can and not get caught….
    – taping walkthroughs,
    – taping signals,
    – deflating balls,
    – playing the shell game with eligible receivers,
    – outright lying on the injury report…
    – manipulating the officials during hurry up
    – and a lot more

    BB is most likely the best coach of all time, but this willingness to play the game as it is NOT intended simply because he can do it and not get caught will forever put an asterisk beside his name in a lot of fans and p;layers minds….

    no way I look at the Pats “dynasty” and think of it in the same class as the runs had in the past by the Steelers, 49ers, Cowboys, Packers and Giants ….

  32. As Florio points out there are twists and turns in the story that should be looked at – many. Why is Kensil checking balls and not the refs…what was the chain of control with the intercepted ball…this looks like a setup that backfired…with potentially wide ranging implications – NFL Operations…Indy…Baltimore…and yes, even the Pats.

    Boomer Esiason caught is perfectly in an interview…reposted here from the Sporting News:

    Both the Colts and Ravens claimed the Patriots used deflated footballs against them in the playoffs. According to Esiason the two teams coordinated with one another to “embarrass Tom Brady.”

    “If you notice, Harbaugh never went after Bill Belichick and never said anything negative about him as a coach for the previous two weeks leading up to the Super Bowl. Next week the Patriots are playing the Colts, and their head coach is Chuck Pagano, who was once defensive coordinator under John Harbaugh and the Ravens. They’re all close and they’re all tight,” explained Esiason. “This is what I believe happened: they all wanted to embarrass Tom Brady, and they wanted to put him on the spot if you will. They wanted to make him answer questions about said rule book.

    “You can say whatever you want about Deflate-gate, and who said what, but to me this is about how the NFL operates: it’s back stabbing, it’s insecure and it’s childish. ‘You want to call me out? I’m going to call you out. You want to embarrass me? Guess what I’m going to embarrass you.’ I’m telling you, this is the way the NFL works. At the end of the day, Tom Brady is the one who’s got the last laugh. He’s got his third Super Bowl MVP trophy and his fourth Super Bowl.”

    Enough said.

  33. ravens instigate
    colts deflate
    media exaggerates
    Patriots dominate

    That’s all there is to it. Colts will never get the hook by the NFL for their instigating this witch hunt so the GOAT Pats had to just answer the bell and knock them the **** out. They are still crying and covering up in Indy.

    If they did not investigate the colts they really don’t want to know what happened.

  34. marauders2001 says:
    Feb 22, 2015 11:33 PM
    …Even if Patriots weren’t cheating intentionally, they had an unfair advantage in every game all season.…

    Based on the leaks we have heard to date, the cheating/framing finger is currently pointing at Mike Kensil, Ryan Grigson, Chuck Pagano and the Colts organization. We will see if the Wells report can change that narrative at all, or cements that narrative.

    You are also not correct that the Pats had an unfair advantage in every game. The Pats actually had four unfair advantages:

    1. Bill Belichick – Greatest Head Coach of All-Time
    2. Tom Brady – Greatest QB of All-Time.
    3. Robert Kraft – Greatest Owner of All-time.
    4. New England Patriots Fan Base – Greatest Fan Base of All-Time.

  35. No matter the outcome of this investigation the Patriots are and always have been cheaters. Everything accomplished during the Bill Belicheat era is a farce. The whole era has an asterisk on it. Their fans know it and are always red-faced over it.

  36. In Boston they think space aliens may have deflated the ball. They’re only sure of one thing … that the Pats didn’t do it.

  37. If this was indeed a malicious attempt to smear Brady, Belichick, Kraft and the whole Patriot organization, then the fines should be in the millions, the banishment(s) should be lifetime, and the loss of draft picks should be double figures.

  38. Everyone in America except delusional Patriot fans knows that Brady was lying during his press conference. He knew, the Patriots knew. This is all the Patriots, not the Colts, not Harbaugh, the Patriots. Patriot fans always want to blame someone else for their cheating ways. Tainted organization from top to bottom.

  39. I’m still waiting for the league to explain how a senior executive like Kensil who should know better…can tamper with and inflate live game footballs in clear violation of Rule 2.2 in the rulebook which says only the Referee and nobody else is in charge of them.

    Why do Kensil and Goodell STILL have their jobs?

  40. If you cannot completely disprove the theory that a person on the Colts sideline deflated the Jackson pick ball, you cannot prove the Pats did anything.
    Reasonable doubt

  41. IF the Colts had anything to do with deflating footballs to frame the Patriots then I think an NCAA style death penalty will fit the crime. Effective immediately. Which would include the draft.

  42. To me the most dubious fact of the recent news is that the Colts warned the league during the week leading up to the AFCCG. Why not after the regular season game when the problem occurred?

    To me the most likely scenario was that Harbaugh was pissed about the trick plays and therefore so was Pagano. Therefore they decided to point the finger at the Patriots.

    The strange part is, who reviews those complaints and why didn’t the league just notify the Patriots?

    It seems to implicate the Colts and the league at least in trying to trap the Patriots.

    That’s enough motivation that if there was any break in the chain of custody of the ball you can’t blame the. Patriots. I don’t think you need to alternatively go after the Colts. You just can’t punish the Patriots for this debacle.

  43. I’m having a hard time understanding under what circumstances Grigson would notify the NFL without passing that info on to Pagano.

    Also, wouldn’t the attendant put the intercepted ball away somewhere for safe keeping as a souvenir once he received it from Jackson? It doesn’t seem logical that he’d be checking the inflation level (even squeezing it) unless he had been notified to do so.

    So….it would appear that at least some staff knew….just not Pagano. That doesn’t add up.

  44. Let’s face it. The Patri*ts habit of operating in the “gray areas” of the NFL rule book since 2001 cannot and should not be ignored.

    1. SpyGate – This actually happened.
    2. Hernandez – The ultimate micro-manager, Bill Belichick, publicly stated that he knew nothing about Hernandez’ off-field activities. We now find out that one of the Patri*ts assistant coaches lives right next door to Hernandez making Belichicks statement nearly unbelievable.
    3. IneligibleGate – Watch the tapes for yourself. It is clear that the player is reporting as an ineligible receiver as the Patri*ts are breaking the huddle. While technically not a rule violation, the Patri*ts knew they were violating the intent of the rule.
    4. McDanielsGate – Again, while technically not a rules violation, the re-hiring of McDaniels by the Patri*ts just before the playoff game versus Tebow and the Denver Broncos stunk to high heaven. No other team had ever hired an assistant coach from another team (Rams) after the regular season and during the playoffs.
    5. BlountGate – A talented player like Blount just happens to do enough stupid things with one team to be released in mid-season and immediately signs with the team he was released by the previous season. Again, not a rules violation, but it sure sounds orchestrated.
    6. DeflateGate – Whether one ball or eleven balls are involved, it is extremely odd that the Patri*ts running backs who both had a prior history of fumbling suddenly stop fumbling altogether. Again, an unprovable rules violation. However, in light of all that has occurred in the recent past entirely believable.

    So Patri*ts fans… what are we to believe?

    Recent and not so recent history indicates an organizational wide process of bending if not actually breaking the rules.

    I said it before and I’ll say it again:

    ****TAINTEDRINGSFOREVER****

  45. The Patriots were absolutely CRUCIFIED for two weeks leading up to the SB, based on NFL leaks and clearly-biased reporting. Luckily they still managed to win the game, despite all of that distraction – which, incidentally, is what I think this is all about.

    The Colts and some former Jets employees wanted to make the Pats look bad, and hopefully add to the SB pressure so they’d lose.

    The NFL is currently being run like a third rate used car lot. That should change, I think.

  46. Did the Colts measure the Patriots ball before giving it off to a league official, to see for themselves if the ball was “underinflated?”

    If yes, then they did deflate the ball, for – in a subtle point that has gone overlooked – the act of measuring a ball removes air in the process. Up to .2 psi at a time.

  47. LOLOLOLOLOL at all Patriot haters.

    To think they ACTUALLY BELIEVE their sorry team deserves to be on the same field as the World Champion Patriots, winners of more Super Bowls than any other team in the NFL in a third of a century.

    AAAAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  48. I’m still baffled that so-called smart people don’t know that it is literally impossible for a football to remain at 12.5 PSI if it is inflated at room temperature and then moved outside into cooler, rainy weather.
    If 1 football was quite a bit less than the others, that does bring up a difficult question to answer.

    And again, Harbaugh spoke to knowing that footballs lose PSI in the weather “I thought it was just because it was cold”.
    Harbaugh and the Colts knew that the Patriots could and would get busted for low PSI.
    And they went after them, well, because they don’t like the Pats. It’s not that difficult to understand what happened here.
    As to whether there was additional funny business going on with the footballs other than weather, only the league employee fired last week has been discovered.

    As for who has been caught lying; Pagano and Harbaugh…give me a break saying you didn’t know what was going on prior to the PSI story coming out. There’s also a timeline issue with Grigson’s comments all along.
    And a chain of command query…is Kensil supposed to take sole charge, hands on, without notifying others in the NFL offices?

  49. I must say…Getting right up in Patriot Hater’s grill and running my mouth is SO MUCH MORE FUN than I thought it would be! 🙂

    It’s not like they can do anything about it. Us superior fans of the champs are have fun gloating and rubbing it in UNTIL NEXT YEAR HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

  50. Poor Pats haters. The evidence is clear the Pats did nothing wrong here and that the Colts / League office “sting” operation was a setup and that the Colts deflated the one ball way under minimum pressure.

    Somehow you think acting like the virtual equivalent of a 3 year old stomping their feet and crying their eyes out “waaaaaaa the mean ol’ Pats cheated” is going to make it come true.

    Funny though, when this came out the comments defending the Pats were getting bout 80-90% thumbs down. Now they’re getting about 90% thumbs up. Most of the world with actual functioning brains sees the setup and the scam by the Colts, Harbaugh, Pagano, Grigson and Kensil. Only those so blinded by immature and emotional hatred of the Pats are still claiming the Pats were the culprits.

  51. Ravens Instigate

    Colts Commiserate and Orchestrate Deflatgate

    Media Exaggerates and Perpetuates and Castigates

    Patriots Dominate, Eviscerate

    Keep angering the Pats and you get what you get.

  52. Poor Pats haters. The evidence is clear the Pats did nothing wrong here and that the Colts / League office “sting” operation was a setup and that the Colts deflated the one ball way under minimum pressure.

    Somehow you think acting like the virtual equivalent of a 3 year old stomping their feet and crying their eyes out “waaaaaaa the mean ol’ Pats cheated” is going to make it come true.

    Funny though, when this came out the comments defending the Pats were getting bout 80-90% thumbs down. Now they’re getting about 90% thumbs up. Most of the world with actual functioning brains sees the setup and the scam by the Colts, Harbaugh, Pagano, Grigson and Kensil. Only those so blinded by immature and emotional hatred of the Pats are still claiming the Pats were the culprits.

    ———

    Spot on. Great post and great analogy.

  53. Small point, but that picture is a great look at the actual football that initiated the whole thing.
    It looks remarkably football-like there.
    To hear some people speak, the Patriots prefer to toss around pancakes out there on the field.

  54. If the Colts are proven to have done this, it will be hilarious. I can only imagine the punishment they would get

  55. The nfl is a joke and pats fans and Boston media desperate to prop up a fraud. Your coach is a lying cheat, guilty already from spygate and the pats dynasty is as real as Hulk hogans dynasty and the nfl is turning into the WWE. Pats fans cheering for their champ is like idiot WWE fans cheering for their fake champ.
    This is why pats fans troll these articles because their teams cheating has gone viral and they are throwing a hissy fit that no one else thinks their dynasty is legit.
    They are butt hurt that everyone now knows their team is a fraud and the nfl is covering for their fake champ.
    They are haters who hate anyone that will question the legitimacy of their fraud.
    Patriots dynasty ****
    Enjoy the fraud pats fans

  56. The reason the NFL has such a lax procedure for footballs is because PSI in a football DOESN’T REALLY MATTER. It’s ESPN and the scandal-thirsty media that have made air pressure the biggest most important thing of all humanity.

  57. Most hilarious ending in all of this is if the Patriots GET an EXTRA draft pick for all of this nonsense. The Hater’s heads will LITERALLY explode! HAHAHAHAHA!

    #PatsAreWORLDCHAMPIONS
    #WeAreAllPatriots
    #PatsGreatestEverAtEverything

  58. 3. IneligibleGate – Watch the tapes for yourself. It is clear that the player is reporting as an ineligible receiver as the Patri*ts are breaking the huddle. While technically not a rule violation, the Patri*ts knew they were violating the intent of the rule.
    ===
    The rule has no intent. You can’t declare yourself ineligible before the huddle because the offense doesn’t know which of the normally eligible players is going to be ineligible. The Ravens are just too dumb to count to five, and forgot the rule that only the outer men on the LOS are eligible. It’s not BB and NE’s fault that JH and his entire team have tepid IQs.

  59. Feel bad for Colts fans. I mean, it must suck to have a baseless accusation leveled against your team and have people believe it despite any evidence whatsoever. Can’t imagine Patriots fans could imagine what that must be like.

  60. 5. BlountGate – A talented player like Blount just happens to do enough stupid things with one team to be released in mid-season and immediately signs with the team he was released by the previous season. Again, not a rules violation, but it sure sounds orchestrated.

    ———-

    After the Steelers released Blount every single team in the NFL had a chance to claim him and passed. It was only then that the Patriots signed him.

    How on earth is that considered “operating in the gray areas of the NFL rule book “.

    Get a clue, dude.

  61. and furthermore, Blount wasn’t released by NE the year before, he was a free agent. Do you understand what that means?

  62. Asinine is an appropriate term to use to describe this theory. Its commonplace when the accused for is guilty for them to throw out wild accusations out of desperation no matter how illogical or preposterous they sound.

  63. whitetrash69 says:
    Feb 23, 2015 1:51 PM

    Asinine is an appropriate term to use to describe this theory. Its commonplace when the accused for is guilty for them to throw out wild accusations out of desperation no matter how illogical or preposterous they sound.
    _________________________________

    So in this case the accused would be the Patriots. Exactly what theory have the Patriots put out there? All they’ve done is cooperate fully with the league.

    The only thing asinine here is people that believe that it is only possible for the Patriots to have done something wrong here.

    If you’ve noticed, even Florio has backed off his low standard of proof lines and is now acknowledging the possibilities of an issue other than with the Pats.

  64. Most likely the Colts were involved in the framing. They are a slimy franchise. The chance of them actually deflating the one ball that was way under spec (the only ball they got their hands on!) is pretty high. The hard part will be proving it…

    As the great movie Training Day said: “it’s not what you know, it’s what you can prove.”

  65. jaysmack says:Feb 23, 2015 2:38 PM

    Patriots cheat
    Patriots win superbowl
    Nfl stalls to cover
    Media turns the other way
    Only delusional pats fans accept the fraud
    Repeat
    Lol
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    100% AGREED!!!

  66. Pagano knows for sure that nobody on the Colts deflated the ball they had in their possession; but, by his own admission, he knew nothing about Grigson’s suspicion’s that the Pat’s balls could be deflated or that Grigson called the league about that possibility….Pagano, either has selective memory or he’s curiously uncurious about why he was kept out of the loop.

  67. I’m still flabbergasted by the fact a senior NFL executive would actually tamper with live game footballs. There are too many excellent reasons to list here why such a thing is a blatant violation of NFL rules.

    The NFL would be setting a very dangerous precedent if Kensil is not shown the door when the Wells report comes down at the latest.

  68. Right! Because that would explain the other 10 deflated balls perfectly & Brady’s HORRENDOUS lying on camera to millions of people. Can anyone believe how terrible off a liar that fool is?? All I can say is WOW! Clearly a better cheater than liar!!!

  69. Ok. Idiots. Or patriots haters. Please read this carefully. Blount had to go through waivers before the pats picked him up. Every single NFL team had a chance to pick this player up before they patriots. In fact even the pats dust pick him up on waivers. How in the hell did they cheat getting Blount if all 31 other teams could have claimed him before the pats? Huh? Exactly. You are fools.
    Also only one ball was below 2 psi below min limit. The other 11 were barely under the mark and were so only because of the weather. Science idiots.
    The only ball in question was handled by the colts and apparently at least one NFL official who has a personal agenda against BB
    Got it so far idiots?
    Then we have taping of practices. Never happened. Story pulled. Reporter apologized. It was wrong because te league source turned out to be an unreliable st louis source. Got it so far dummies?
    Spygate. Hardly spying. We are talking about less than 40 feet they had camera in wrong place. Even though you could just put someone in the stands anyways to rape the other sideline. Stupid. Oh and btw is didn’t become a rule until 2006. So how in the hell is that relevant to their previous SB wins?!! Hmmm didn’t think you had a reply.
    And then after spygate the pats went 16-0 crushing any hope of their haters that their success was based on supposed spying.
    And least we forget. Broncos cheated this year! Colts cheated this year! Falcons cheated this year! Vikings cheated this year! Seahawks cheated this year! All have been punished accordingly except for Falcons who have admitted to pumping in fake crowd noise.
    This deflate gate crap will not go away. And I don’t want it to either. All it is showing is who are the haters. And it’s you idiots
    You root for teams that cheat then denounce the pats for cheating when there is no proof? Cowards all of you!
    Our team will continue its dominance. Brady and BB are already considered the greatest and their reputations are secure. And the pats are withiut equal. Sorry boys but 49ers were great but actually not close at all to pats success. You all call Brady a liar. Why? Huh. He’s never been caught lying or cheating unlike many others in other teams. The more you try and bash the pats the more they look clean as a whistle. You all got nothing. Nothing! Have fun losing until Brady retires. You are all cowards. Your teams are cowards. And all you can do is piss and moan because you aren’t beating them on the field. Losers!

  70. paulrevereshorse1775 says:
    Feb 23, 2015 1:10 PM

    5. BlountGate – A talented player like Blount just happens to do enough stupid things with one team to be released in mid-season and immediately signs with the team he was released by the previous season. Again, not a rules violation, but it sure sounds orchestrated.

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    After the Steelers released Blount every single team in the NFL had a chance to claim him and passed. It was only then that the Patriots signed him.

    How on earth is that considered “operating in the gray areas of the NFL rule book “.

    Get a clue, dude.
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    Darth Hoodie used his evil Sith Lord mind tricks to make the other 30 teams pass on picking him up off waivers.

  71. 3. IneligibleGate – Watch the tapes for yourself. It is clear that the player is reporting as an ineligible receiver as the Patri*ts are breaking the huddle. While technically not a rule violation, the Patri*ts knew they were violating the intent of the rule.
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    There is no intent of the rule. A player is either required to report or he isn’t.

    Let’s not forget that the Ref even told the Ravens not to cover #34 on one of the plays, yet Suggs still did!

  72. 4. McDanielsGate – Again, while technically not a rules violation, the re-hiring of McDaniels by the Patri*ts just before the playoff game versus Tebow and the Denver Broncos stunk to high heaven. No other team had ever hired an assistant coach from another team (Rams) after the regular season and during the playoffs.
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    Not a violation. End of story.

    And let’s not forget that the only reason McDaniels was brought in was the Pats OC was being hired away by Penn State. And it’s not like the Pats brought McDaniels back for the playoffs and let him go after. He has been their OC since then.

  73. 2. Hernandez – The ultimate micro-manager, Bill Belichick, publicly stated that he knew nothing about Hernandez’ off-field activities. We now find out that one of the Patri*ts assistant coaches lives right next door to Hernandez making Belichicks statement nearly unbelievable.
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    The coach lives a few houses away. I know I have no idea what the hell my neighbors do in their free time. And I’m sure that the Assistant Coach wasn’t waiting up and looking out his window to see when AH cam and went.

    You are reaching badly.

  74. 1. SpyGate – This actually happened.
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    Yes it did. As BB said in a recent press conference, they taped defensive signals in front of 80,000 people like a lot of other teams did back then.

    They never denied doing it and they were punished for doing it.

    But there were no walkthrough tapes as many claim. The Matt Walsh tapes showed us exactly what we were told was on the tapes Goodel destroyed and the tapes were destroyed on the advise of Steelers President Rooney (who also viewed them). The rationale was to ensure that if copies surfaced (beyond the Walsh copies) that they would know BB did not turn over all his copies.

    The Pats record under BB is better post spygate than pre spygate. Seems like Cowher, Jimmy Johnson and others were right…it wasn’t a big deal.

    But why consider facts that don’t support your bias?

  75. 6. DeflateGate – Whether one ball or eleven balls are involved, it is extremely odd that the Patri*ts running backs who both had a prior history of fumbling suddenly stop fumbling altogether. Again, an unprovable rules violation. However, in light of all that has occurred in the recent past entirely believable.
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    By your logic we should see a huge disparity between the Pats fumbling rates at home v. on the road as home team controls the footballs. Except that’s not the case.

    You also fail to account for the fact that the Pats have been RB by committee for quite some time. when a guy fumbles he gets yanked and doesn’t see meaningful snaps until he works himself back out of the doghouse.

    But I do love the “unprovable rules violation”. Translation: I can’t prove anything but they must have broken a rule to be better than everyone else.

  76. Occam’s Razor time:

    I don’t think Pagano knew anything. I don’t think Harbaugh made any phone calls. I suspect the whole thing started because of problems with the K balls and the NFL League employee trying to steal some of them.

    Yes, Grigson expressed a concern but that was likely because some Ravens players commented about the K balls not going as far as usual (of course if was 5 degrees during that game, so yes, the balls didn’t go as far — go figure).

    So you have the fiasco that resulted from the Patriots noticing a problem with the K ball, which leads the LEAGUE EMPLOYEES scrambling to get that ball back in the game and one of them gives McNally an unapproved ball and the ref reports that — next thing you know Kensil thinks he’s got the Pats manipulating game balls and has the footballs measured at halftime.

    The balls were found to be under threshold, but we also know that based on the CMU study they were likely within the range that could be attributed to temperature change and rainy conditions.

    It’s far more likely he (Kensil) overreacted and overstepped boundaries thinking he caught them than it is he put together some half assed sting or frame up.

    What that leaves is the exploration of the various “sources” putting out information, which is likely taking longer than validating what actually happened to the footballs.

    Sorry for the interruption. We now return you to your regularly scheduled conspiracy theories.

  77. About the Patriots use of an ineligible player against the Ravens – according to Peter King, the announcement was made 7, 10, and 7 seconds prior to the snap of the ball. Plenty of time for the defense to adjust. Trying to assign any blame for this on the Patriots would be silly anyway, as informing the defense of such things is the job of the officials.

    Not only did Alabama use this formation this past year, but TMQ noted that he has seen variations on this play at the high school level! The level of whining about the Patriots’ use of a tactic known to high school teams is pathetic.

  78. sportnik2 says:
    Feb 22, 2015 10:57 PM
    Another possibility is that the Colts inadvertently deflated the ball by testing its air pressure. The question would be, how much air does a ball lose when you stick a needle in it to test the air pressure? The Colts may have done this multiple times.

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    This has actually become the most popular school science fair project these days and yes, the act of checking the let out air in varying amounts based on how the person testing handles the gauge. Each time a needle is inserted and you hear the ‘pssst” of air the pressure has been reduced.

    Even when inflating to 13.5 PSI, the process of removing the pin will allow air to escape. If a ball at 13.5 is tested immediately after inflation it will not maintain 13.5psi.

    But don’t take my word for it, ask one of the kids at the science fair, or try it your self.

  79. These heaping false accusations against the Patriots and Brady in DeflateMate has had an interesting side effect in bringing out the crowd of “I’m afraid I’ll soon be relegated to 2nd class hero by the Pats”, such as Coach Shula carping “Belicheat”, and myriad QBs heaping on the Pats. But to me, the most pathetic thing I’ve seen or heard from this whole anti-hero scandal is Joe Montana! What an ass! What kind of human does what he did to Brady? For here you have someone who since he was just a kid in Brady, saying how much he always loved and admired Montana his whole life for as long as he can remember, growing up a 49ers fan just down the street from Montana’s park and going to every game. And what does Montana do now that this “son” of his generation is about to surpass his most meaningful achievements? Rather than be proud to pass the torch of honor onto his greatest childhood admirer, this first chance he gets to jump the gun and jump to false conclusions about deflategate (FAIL), he tells Brady through his own false accusations of him supposedly lying: “get lost kid, you’re a no good bum”. When I heard what Montana said about Brady, I really felt bad for Brady — and to me, for that, Montana is despicable. And how sad is that!?

  80. Spygate was the most blown out of proportion NON story in the history of recorded time…..

    ….until “deflategate” came along.

    #youhateus
    #causeyouaintus

    #Patswillrunupthescoreonthecoltsnextyear

  81. You know if you step back and ignore the accusations it’s hard not to think that there is at least equal likelihood that the culprit is Indy as it is the Pats.
    If it turns out that the only ball that was 2 lbs underinflated was the one intercepted then how on earth can you not suspect Indy. Why would the Pats knowingly have one ball so lower than the others if this is such a personal thing with the QB? If they did, were they deflating and inflating throughout the game, to keep the ball on the field the only one 2lbs under? That would be hard to do even if it were legal!
    But the report will probably wind up pointing suspicion at the Pats with only inconclusive evidence. If Wells has any stones and there is nothing conclusive on either side, he should point out that either team could have done this but only Indy had motive, given their accusation the week before.

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