Dolphins remain expected frontrunners for Suh

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There’s no reason to doubt Mike Silver’s report that the Raiders are “planning” to host defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh for a visit next week.  (“That’s not the stench of raw sewage in the locker room . . . it’s just a bad batch of potpourri.”)  But there’s also no reason to believe the Dolphins aren’t the frontrunners for Suh’s services.

PFT continues to hear that the team with the best chance of landing Suh is the Dolphins.  And for good reason; owner Stephen Ross previously whiffed on coach Jim Harbaugh, quarterback Peyton Manning, and coach Jeff Fisher.  Ross wants to make a splash, as does new executive V.P. of football operations Mike Tannenbaum.

Ross won the rights to receiver Mike Wallace two years ago, but that hasn’t worked out very well.  Suh could end up working out even better.  Or maybe not.  Until we know whether Suh gives the Dolphins a realistic bump in their on-field fate, Suh will nevertheless create plenty of buzz and sell plenty of tickets and move plenty of merchandise in Miami.

When it comes to a contest between the Raiders and the Dolphins, Ross has ultimate ace in the hole — the absence of state income taxes in Florida.  In California, the rate for the really rich is 13.3 percent.

So if Suh signs a deal that pays him $15 million per year in California, the Golden State will withhold $1.995 million in taxes.  Per year.  In Florida, the Sunshine State will take the grand total of zero dollars and zero cents from Suh’s game checks.

Over the course of a seven-year deal (if Suh is there for all seven), the difference becomes $13.965 million.  In other words, he’d be working nearly one full year out of seven to pay for the privilege of living and working in Califoria.

The only way the Raiders can compete with the Dolphins and $15 million per year would be to enough to get Suh to the same net after federal and state taxes.  Which would be roughly $18 million per year.

The primary alternative for Suh will be staying put with the Lions.  In Michigan, the state income tax rate is only 4.25 percent, meaning that Suh would contribute $637,500 to the state budget every year on a deal worth $15 million annually.

110 responses to “Dolphins remain expected frontrunners for Suh

  1. You cant pay a DT that much money and expect to field an all around solid team that you expect to win Super Bowls with. You need to get a few young studs in the draft and hit it big while they are on rookie contracts.

    But…it is the Dolphins. Almost as bad as the Eagles…

    Honestly, Suh is a monster of a player…and I would absolutely love to have him on the Eagles. But we have $55 mill in cap space, and signing Suh would absolutely kill our ability to sign solid quality Corners (since we have none on our roster…) AND a Safety (since we only have Malcolm Jenkins on our roster).

    Chip emptied the cupboard. Lets see what he does to fill out the roster. I pray we arent relying on 3rd and 4th round rookie corners to start the season :\

  2. Not that we’re good but Tennessee also has no state income tax. Casey, Suh, and Williams? Oh yes.

  3. Your math is a bit off…for both sides of the equation. They only play 11 games a year in California (10 at home and 1 in SD) and they only play 8ish per year in FL. So the FL advantage isn’t as big as it appears and the CA disadvantage is as bad as it appears. The Raiders can actually do the math because they know most of their schedule for the next 5 years and offer enough to offset the tax difference.

  4. Suh is the kind of high character NFL football player owner Stephen Ross and the Dolphin brain trust are looking for. Go to the film of Suh stomping on an offensive lineman and stemping on the injured ankle of Green Bay’s Aaron Rogers. LOL

  5. Everyone says that signing Suh cripples your cap b/c you can’t afford other players. However, everyone is neglecting to understand that Suh makes the crummy players you already have around him significantly better. Therefore, it’s like you’re upgrading 3 or 4 positions at the same time.

    He’s the equivalent to paying a stud QB but on defense.

  6. Miami D biggest weakness was stopping the run last year..you put Suh on that line with Wake and Vernon.. Tom Brady will start thinking about early retirement

  7. This will never happen. Philben could never handle this kind of player.He’s too uptight and squeeky clean personality type

  8. The Dolphins can only hope they’re once again being used as patsies to boost the price because paying what it’s going to cost to sign him is not money well spent. Certainly not with all of the gaping holes Miami has on its roster.

    I guess all those Super Bowls he helped Detroit win has Miami seeing him through rose colored glasses. Oh wait……

  9. Pay him over $50 million in guaranteed money so the fanbase can have some kind of hope before the Dolphins finish third in the division again next season.

    If you want to have a laugh, dig up the PFT stories from when Mike Wallace, Dannell Ellerbe and Cortland Finnegan were signed. Dolfans talking trash about knocking off the Pats and in the end they aren’t even on the level of the Buffalo Bills.

    Go ahead and back up the Brinks truck, I mean, it’s only the South Beach version of Jerry Jones money after all.

  10. coachglove says:
    Mar 5, 2015 3:46 PM

    Your math is a bit off…for both sides of the equation. They only play 11 games a year in California (10 at home and 1 in SD) and they only play 8ish per year in FL. So the FL advantage isn’t as big as it appears and the CA disadvantage is as bad as it appears. The Raiders can actually do the math because they know most of their schedule for the next 5 years and offer enough to offset the tax difference.

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    coachglove with the smart, insightful comment.

    States with income taxes (which is most states these days) are increasingly going after visiting professional athletes for income taxes, i.e., if a player from outside of California, Georgia, Arizona, New York, etc. who play games in those states now get state income tax bills from those states. Because there is a clear public record that the player was in the state (TV broadcast, news accounts, etc.) there is no way for the athlete to avoid the taxes.

    The article didn’t even mention that every year the Dolphins play 1 game in New York state (Bills), 1 in Massachusetts (Patriots) and one in New Jersey (Jets), all high income tax states.

  11. I hope he goes to the Dolphins, the Raiders should stay the course and steer clear of contracts and turds like this.

  12. justintuckrule says:
    Mar 5, 2015 3:48 PM

    Everyone says that signing Suh cripples your cap b/c you can’t afford other players. However, everyone is neglecting to understand that Suh makes the crummy players you already have around him significantly better. Therefore, it’s like you’re upgrading 3 or 4 positions at the same time.

    He’s the equivalent to paying a stud QB but on defense.

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    This is actually a very smart comment. A lot smarter than crazy comments like Tiki Barber is a class act who made the Giants into champions or that it was crazy for the Giants to let Hakeem Nicks walk.

  13. So the “reason” the Dolphins have the best chance of landing the top free agent payer is their history of “wiffing” on high profile prospects… Makes total sense.

  14. @ jacunn2000 says:

    it is 70deg F today in the Bay Area and I am in a Tshirt. Just like yesterday and the day before and the day before and ….

    My hike last weekend on Mt Tam was wonderful, BBQ afterwards.

    How was shoveling your drive this morning?

  15. Fins had a good Dline last year. Maybe I’m wrong but I thought they more needed help on offense than defense.

    Also think Suh is going to get his huge payday and his level of effort on the field thereafter will drop by at least 50%

  16. Miami did beat the Pats when they were healthy thrashed them in the…Miami lost 3 games last year by 3 points to GB, at Detroit, at Denver KEEP TALKING !

  17. Now if they can play Jordan at LB, where he belongs, this defense will be very interesting.

  18. Soooooooo you get rid of Incognito because he used some bad words towards another teammate but then you turn around and try to bring in… Suh?

  19. “for the privilege of living and working in Califoria.”

    Califoria, is that going to be the new capital of Cascadia?

    C’mon, man! The red, squiggly line underneath means right click to get the proper spelling.

  20. harrisonhits2 says: Mar 5, 2015 4:05 PM

    Fins had a good Dline last year. Maybe I’m wrong but I thought they more needed help on offense than defense.

    Also think Suh is going to get his huge payday and his level of effort on the field thereafter will drop by at least 50%

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    The same way his play led to 4 pro bowls and being a 3 time all pro with a $68 million/$40 million guaranteed rookie contract right?…..lol

    Carry on…Suh will be a beast regardless of his paycheck amounts.

  21. leatherface2012 says: Mar 5, 2015 3:45 PM

    HMM HI TAXES IN A LIB LEFTY STATE……..SHOCKER

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    You do understand that “lib lefty” states also tend to offer higher quality of life on virtually all metrics: educational attainment, per capita income, reported happiness, even length of life…

  22. I will never, ever, understand why anyone would go to Florida when California exists. Call it west coast arrogance all you want but, Florida is super corny. Its a muggy, backwards, confederate swamp. California is the envy of the world.

    California Uber Alles. You know what to do Suh.

  23. Does it matter that the Raiders are roughly a projected $40 million dollars more under the cap than Miami when all is said and done? If he goes to Miami it will have nothing to do with them outbidding the Raiders. Raiders can easily outbid Miami tax rate and all.

  24. When you consider the fins lost at least 3 games because they couldn’t shut down the run in the fourth qtr on third/fourth down, this beast in the middle fixes that and gets us over the playoff hump, imo.

  25. fearthehoody says: Mar 5, 2015 4:02 PM

    Well the phins never win championships so they need something to look forward to.

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    Silence child, the Dolphins are 72 world champs. The only world champs who are ever undefeated.

  26. Everyone with cap room is a front runner. Every day there’s a new front runner. Look a little further north and play along side Gerald McCoy. Talk about beast D-line!

  27. If taxes really mattered then what the heck is wrong with Jville? Keep up the good fight PFT but smart people know better. He can make up for it with his “brand” in a larger market. Also I’m no tax expert but I believe some/most states do part time residency. Doesn’t Revis own a home in Florida? I know Bart Scott built a home there. Let’s just call it legalized tax evasion.

  28. You really think “15 million a year” is going to land him huh? I think you’re dreaming. 20+ is what it’s going to take. Not only does Oakland have the cap room But if they don’t start spending more they will be penalized. So I think they overpay to get Suh. But they will get him. I’m thinking 20-24 million a year

  29. bryonneufeld says:
    Mar 5, 2015 3:37 PM
    The Dolphins might be contenders next year. Watch out Patriots.

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    I doubt it but I bet the Bills will be.

  30. Don’t matter if you have Suh, Don’t matter if you time travel and bring back the steal curtain.

    You don’t got Tom “the G.O.A.T” Brady, you ain’t got nothing.

  31. Your game checks are taxed in accordance with the state you played that game.

    Young superstar players in the NFL have a tough time not getting caught up in the fast paced lifestyle of South Florida. You can easily get distracted, there is so much fun stuff to do.

  32. California is the best state in the Union.

    Better than Hawaii.

    If it wasn’t, all you folks from the midwest and east coast would stop moving here.

    Go Raiders

  33. It would suck to be a Lion’s fan and have to constantly deal with failure. Having Stafford as your QB is the same as having Cutler or Romo.

    When Suh leaves the The Full swing decline will make Hyzers and meagtronownsnothing cry worse than the bad PI call and use it to their advantage for the annual choking excuses that Detroit has to use for the past 50 years.

  34. mullman76 says:
    Mar 5, 2015 4:56 PM
    California is the best state in the Union.

    Better than Hawaii.

    If it wasn’t, all you folks from the midwest and east coast would stop moving here.

    Go Raiders

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    California is a great state, but LA is dump, rude, smoggy city. If California is so great how come people can’t even feed their kids in Silicon valley with full time jobs. The housing market is among the most expensive and most unreasonable and the job market is terrible. If you’re not a celebrity, movie star or in the biz, you are over worked and underpaid!

    but yea, you’re right California is the best state in the union………

  35. Suh will sign with the Lions. And all of you guys can go back to crying and saying that Suh should be kicked out of the league because he is so dirty. Suh belongs in Detroit. All of you people that said you would never want a guy like Suh on your team suddenly want him. It’s funny.

  36. @nflviewer – thanks for the compliment. While I like Barber and liked Nicks, the repeated comments you see about them come from my imposter. check the spellings of our handles.

  37. Things may have changed, but I seem to recall Florida having a tax on investment holdings. If still true, that’s a tax most states don’t have that Florida does.

  38. The tax math is off. In addition to getting taxed by states for away games. The federal taxes allow a deduction for state taxes paid so actually paying more CA tax will reduce the federal tax bill. Therefore, while FL home games will reduce taxes paid, the difference would not be as significant as $1.9M per year

  39. Raiders just cut mjd..as soon as they cut Schaub they will be at $70 million in cap space..more than anybody else. If it’s about money..nobody can offer more.

  40. Not a hard choice for Suh when you compare the two teams. Neither one live up to that “one player” away from the Super Bowl cliche, but, man, the Raiders front office seems like a dumpster fire. Not knowing if that team is staying in Oakland or not can’t be a selling point for Suh.

    South Beach + Lower Taxes + Ryan Tannehill > Oakland (for now, maybe L.A. or San Antonio later) + Higher Taxes + David Carr.

    Either way as far as I’m concerned. Just keep him out of the NFC North. Respectfully, the guy’s a beast. I won’t miss seeing him face the Bears twice a year. I’ll tell you that.

  41. The $100 million question, of course, is if Suh can behave himself with more money than God and all of South Beach at his disposal.

  42. I would love to see him next to Geno Atkins on the Bengals. Pretty sure Mike Brown won’t pony-up even though they claim this year will be different.

  43. The tax math is off. In addition to getting taxed by states for away games. The federal taxes allow a deduction for state taxes paid so actually paying more CA tax will reduce the federal tax bill. Therefore, while FL home games will reduce taxes paid, the difference would not be as significant as $1.9M per year

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    They allow for local taxes. Not state taxes

  44. Suh has repeatedly stated that he will allow his agent to make the decision. Agents are comped on pre-tax income. Suh’s agent, Jimmy Sexton, is not his marketing agent and isn’t comped on Suh’s endorsements, so I doubt he cares what secondary income results from which ever market his client lands in.

    Oakland is apparently prepared to offer 70M guaranteed.

    Advantage, Raiders.

    And I’m a Lions fan so I hate both your teams on principle.

  45. I know one thing to beat Manning and Rivers you have to get pressure down the middle , and he brings that … end of story … will see

  46. I’ve never in my life made a decision based on tax rates. If you want low taxes if that’s what rings your chimes, move to Missisippi. There’s way more to life than avoiding taxes.

  47. No denying that Suh is a difference maker, but the Dolphins simply do not have the money. This is total BS to run up his offers. Also, the Dolphins whiffed on Harbaugh, Manning and Fisher? LOL! How many Championships do they all have? For the record, Manning and Harbaugh were never coming. Fisher did choose the Rams over the Dolphins, but as much as Philbin sucks, he still has a better record than Fisher. Nice Try! If the Phins do sign Suh… Every comment that is not positive is PURE JEALOUSY. Every team wants him and you all know it. I doubt it will happen though.

  48. mullman76 says:
    Mar 5, 2015 4:56 PM
    California is the best state in the Union.

    Better than Hawaii.

    If it wasn’t, all you folks from the midwest and east coast would stop moving here.

    Go Raiders

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    Sorry mullman your wrong. All of us Midwest people move to Florida. Did you ever hear of the term “Snowbirds” it’s way to much money to live in California. We spend our summers in the beautiful Midwest and head to Florida for the winter!

  49. q1ller says: Mar 5, 2015 5:23 PM

    Things may have changed, but I seem to recall Florida having a tax on investment holdings. If still true, that’s a tax most states don’t have that Florida does.

    Also true, but not that big of a deal. The Florida State Intangible tax is one half of one persent =.005. It is applicable when purchasing a home, and applied annually to the year-end total of investment. But remember that Suh is pals with Warren Buffet, so he has some excellent financial advice at his fingertips. I doubt taxes are going to determine where he plays.

  50. Sorry mullman your wrong. All of us Midwest people move to Florida. Did you ever hear of the term “Snowbirds” it’s way to much money to live in California. We spend our summers in the beautiful Midwest and head to Florida for the winter!
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    Good, we can’t stand the socially awkward obliviousness/baseless passive aggressive arrogance of midwesterners here anyways.

    Suh 2 the Raidaaaahhhzzzz!!!!!

  51. Suh basically turned the tide of the Phins season last year—-if you watched the Detroit Miami game you know what I am talking about. He was a wrecking ball in the backfield most of the game. No doubt with him on Miami they win that game last year and the whole season likely is different. So their interest is understandable.

  52. I guess as dolphin fans our team might consist of pouncey tannehill Jason fox Mike Wallace clay & suh
    Oh ya that’s winning

  53. He’s not worth what he is going to be paid. No DT is worth what someone is going to pay him, whether it’s Miami, Oakland, or anyone else.

    The way the market’s looking if I’m a GM I take a pass. There are way better ways to spend that money.

  54. True on most counts. But a little off on money. Players pay a percentage in state tax for every game, home or away, if the host state has income tax.

  55. This has probably been mentioned. State taxes are paid pro rata. Yes 8 checks or 50% of his salary would be taxed in Florida at no state tax. The remainder is taxed proportionately at the states he plays in.

  56. Funny, which team (Raiders or Dolphins) won the most recent Super Bowl between them? That would be the Raiders and i’m shocked that with all the “state tax free benefits” that the Dolphins have you would think they could sign more talent for less ? Maybe they should focus on great coach’s and linemen first THEN surround them with skill players. Come to think of it why didn’t they sign Antonio Cromartie a few years back, my god how much money would he have been able to save to pay for his 12 children??!!! lol

  57. Well, if what he cares most about is not having to pay state income tax, he ought to come down to Houston & play for the Texans next to J.J. Watt. At least the Texans are headed in the right direction. Can the Dolphins say that? Hmmmmm…………..

  58. Wow in this free agency era you’d think the Jacksonville and Miami teams would have a huge advantage attracting great players.

  59. I hated Suh playing for the Lions but would absolutely love him being the Phins Bully. Even if it doesn’t send us to the Super Bowl I’ll be extremely satisfied seeing him smash Tom Terrible Liar in the mouth and into the ground twice a year every year.

    Come to Miami and knocke the smug smirk off of Tom Brady’s face…woohoo….screw you TB.

  60. First mike Wallace hasn’t been a complete bust in Miami. If you watch every snap of there games he has been behind defensea several times over the last two years . Tannehill has not developed his deep ball well enough yet but chances are he will seeing he is progress tell for a guy who played 18 college games. Wallace did manage to round his game well scoring ten red zone tds. Andre Johnson has never scored 10 tds in a season. He does however change the way teams play def against them . Check the improvement in the run game. Suh would absolutely change that def immensely. Miami has as much if not more def talent a Detroit with far better edge rushers. He is a young rare game changer at one of the hardest positions to find a dominant rusher.. I love how Miami is the only team that misses on fas. They really blew it with grimes and Brandenburg Albert……

  61. To address:
    First, Miami does have the cap room to make this happen. They will likely cut a few larger contract players like Ellerbee and Wheeler.
    Second, after the length at which Suh and Detroit have had to create a contract what makes people think he will go back when other teams come calling?
    Third, Suh off the field is a low problem guy. Hard to compare him to Incognito.
    Fourth, I think Miami is a better scheme fit than Oakland. There is also more talent around him on defense.

    Another thing to consider is that Suh may like the way of life better in Miami. Not to mention the fear that if you go to the Raiders you may have to move to L.A. in a year.

  62. TEAMS IN STATES THAT DON’T HAVE TAXES HAVE A UNFAIR ADVANTAGE OVER TEAMS IN STATES THAT DO. IT’S TOTAL BS! IT’S NOT A LEVEL PLAYING FIELD FOR ALL 32 TEAMS, WHICH GIVES SOME TEAMS A BETTER CHANCE OF BEING SUCCESSFUL!

  63. Know which other state has no state income tax… Washington. Come on up to Seattle. Imagine the dominace the defense would have plugging Suh between Avril and Bennett, as well as the Legion of Boom in the backfield. Cut Mebane, McDonald, Miller, and another and we could potentially afford him. Oh and he’s already said he wants to play for us and his family is a short drive away. Go Hawks.

  64. I’m from south Florida and every year it’s the same..dolphins fans are the loudest and most aggressive in the offseason and grow very still closer to december and January…maybe this year will be different, but last year wasn’t and the year before wasn’t and the year before wasn’t and the year before wasn’t and the year before wasn’t and the year before wasn’t, but Tom Brady got hurt that one year so yes it was, and then again it wasn’t and wasn’t and wasn’t…im not saying it’s not possible but from a statistical standpoint Dolphins fans should maybe tone it down a notch to avoid the anger and jealousy later in the year

  65. igotgamenj says:
    Mar 5, 2015 3:45 PM
    This guy is a game changer…He’s no Mike Wallace

    Agreed that Suh is no Mike Wallace, but he is also no JJ Watt. Watt is on the short list of NFL multi-millionaires who is worth every penny he is paid; a short list of NFL players that include people like Aaron Rodgers, Gronk, Brady — you know, guys making millions who might actually be worth the millions. Suh might be worth millions, but IMO he should not be paid Watt money — Suh just does not dominate games on a regular basis the way we have seen Watt do so.

  66. As mentioned above the math is a little off since players are taxed based not only on residence but on a prorated share of days in cities/states where the franchise plays. Not only game days but also related practice days. And not only income tax but other revenue generators like professional privilege tax. So the division your team is in can make a difference. And teams with London games can really cost a player even though at least part of that tax is deductible.

    Granted that players with large bonus money will pay most taxes based on residence; but team division/schedule has to be a consideration for players in the higher salary range.

  67. It’s hilarious to read how other teams are trying to use the tax BS to bring in SUH. Check this out! Suh waz raised on the west, and he has played 4 years in my home town of Detroit. The moral to my story is. Plz, stop thinking that taxes would stop Suh from signing with Oakland. Plz, stop thinking a bad city will keep him from coming, he played in the Murda CAP ( Detroit) This is strictly about $!

  68. Lions fan here. For 5 years everyone on here has complained about Suh. He’s a dirty player. Ban him from the NFL. He tries to hurt people. Take his knees out. The Suh stomp…now everyone is falling over themselves hoping he’s on your team. This all makes me laugh.

  69. lnfinite says:
    Mar 5, 2015 4:39 PM

    fearthehoody says: Mar 5, 2015 4:02 PM

    Well the phins never win championships so they need something to look forward to.

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    Silence child, the Dolphins are 72 world champs. The only world champs who are ever undefeated.
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    The 29 Packers would like a word.

  70. lnfinite says:
    Mar 5, 2015 4:02 PM
    Detroit fans must be going nuts!

    at that price tag, we are fine with him leaving. if JJ watt isnt making that much then no one on defense deserves it. JJ is an equally good or better player playing a more impactful position.

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