Saints still in bad cap shape, even after flurry of moves

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The Saints’ flurry of moves at the start of the league year — including trading Jimmy Graham and Ben Grubbs, cutting Curtis Lofton and Pierre Thomas, and restructuring the contracts of Jairus Byrd, Marques Colston and Junior Galette — were aimed at getting the team’s precarious salary cap situation under control. And yet heading into the second week of the league year, the Saints remain in terrible cap shape.

Although the Saints did manage to get under the salary cap, they’re still dead last in the NFL by a large margin in their available cap space, according to Spotrac.com. (The Saints are actually over the cap on the Spotrac list because it hasn’t yet been updated for the restructured contracts of Keenan Lewis and Dannell Ellerbe.)

The reason is that while the Saints have been shedding salaries, they haven’t gone into full-on tanking mode, the way the NBA’s Philadelphia 76ers have. New Orleans is still trying to win, which is why the Saints have made moves like signing running back C.J. Spiller and cornerback Brandon Browner, and acquiring center Max Unger in the Graham trade. It’s not that the Saints are totally shedding all their expensive veteran contracts, it’s that the Saints are making just enough moves to keep themselves under the cap.

And that approach means the Saints don’t have a lot of cap relief coming in the future. Which is why, as noted in today’s Monday Morning Quarterback, next year could be very interesting in New Orleans. The 2016 season is the last year on the contract of Drew Brees, and his cap number will be more than $27 million. This year Brees is one of the only players the Saints aren’t shopping. Next year could be the time that the Saints decide it’s time to move on, and get what they can get for Brees in a trade.

Ultimately, the Saints are going to be in bad cap shape as long as Brees is on the team. Brees has been a great player in New Orleans and deserves the money he makes, but the contract he signed in 2012 is enormous, and it was structured so that the cap hits at the end of the deal are huge. This year, the Saints have chosen to do what they can with the rest of the roster while keeping Brees and staying in bad cap shape. Next year, the Saints may decide it’s finally time to get the cap under control, and trade Brees’s huge cap hit to another team.

136 responses to “Saints still in bad cap shape, even after flurry of moves

  1. Just do what our Niners did and let everyone leave……that’ll free up about $20 million in cap space……(sigh)

  2. Every other big-money quarterback restructures his deal to help the team out. Brady has had a manageable contract for years. Why not Brees?

  3. It’ll be a new contract or trade/drop for Brees next year I’m guessing.

    The Saints have geared up to be able to run the ball more effectively which is in part to prepare for life after Brees.

  4. If Belichick was their coach he’d trade Brees to the Jets for that #6 pick so fast his head would spin. Brees is showing signs of decline IN A DOME. Another year may expose him. Better a year early….

  5. I’ve said it before I’ll say it again. Ship him to San Fran for Kapernick, and the 49ers should throw in a first round pick too. The saints get a young cheap guy to lead the team for the future, the niners get an experienced elite vet to lead in this transitional time.

  6. So, the Saints took Ellerbe’s dead weight contract and can’t figure out why they’re still in bad shape.

    Just to rephrase that, the Saints cap guy got out smarted by Tannenbaum (Fins cap guy).

  7. That Ellerby trade me no sense at all. Especially since the Phins were about to cut him. Whoever made that trade has no idea what they’re doing.

  8. “and acquiring center Max Unger in the Graham trade.”

    Unger (or somebody else with a sizable salary) basically had to be part of that deal so the Seahawks could deal with their own cap issues to be able to bring Graham aboard. And note that Loomis’ comments after the trade weren’t about strengthening the line with Unger but were all about his wanting to improve the defense. That tells you Unger wasn’t so much who they wanted in return for Graham but was more who they had to take in order to get the deal done.

  9. Drew Brees, Marques Colston and a 5th Rounder for Colin Kaepernick, Alex Boone and a 3rd Rounder.

  10. The Seahawks plucked Graham from a desperate team willing to unload cheap. Smart.

    When you see teams that are cap-vulnerable, a huge window of opportunity avails. Credit to Seattle for seeing that – and working it.

  11. Not sure what info this guy is looking at but he is right on one thing. Saints are up against the cap this year. Next year they have about 125 mill against the cap. With the cap projected at about 145+ mill I don’t see how u think they’re going to trade brees. The saints are not tanking they’re switching schemes to a power running game. What are u talking about??

  12. $27 million, and the suggestion is for the Saints to attempt to trade that cap hit to another team?

    Who in their right mind would take any QB, much less Drew Brees at a $27 Mil cap hit? That’s insane.

  13. Time to move on from Brees was when he demanded that big salary last contract. The only reason that the organization didnt panic was because ALL the other teams in that division were brutal and they stayed in the race until the last day of the season. Any other division they would have been out the middle of November. His skills are deteriorating, slowly but surely.

  14. Brees has made enough money. It’s time he give the Saints a discount so they can have a real shot at getting one more ring before his skills seriously decline.

  15. Reminds me a LOT of back when Dallas was in this position. They had “dead” cap money from Aikman, Irvin, and others.
    It was the beginning of a decline that lasted the better part of a decade before recovering.

    It’s the way of the NFL now. You can mantain a team of highly compensated stars for ONLY so long before it catches up with you.

    Seems like the PATS are one of the the only organizations who seem to know how to manage it over the long haul and still stay competitive.

  16. For what the Saints pay for Sean Peyton and Mickey Loomis, I am confident that they are trying to win now…while we have Drew, as opposed to “building for the future” when we may have a much lesser quality QB. Will they need to restructure Drew’s package next year? No doubt. But until then let’s put together a package that can win in 2015.

  17. The 2009 Curse of Brett Favre is in full bloom. It took some time but I see it has happened. Voodoo is real.

  18. Mickey Loomis is a terrible GM. Maybe he should have managed the cap responsibly instead of him (and Sean Payton) simply trying to save their jobs.

    They tried to go for broke to win the Super Bowl, they didn’t and now they also damaged their future.

  19. whatjusthapped says:
    Mar 16, 2015 12:31 PM

    $27 million, and the suggestion is for the Saints to attempt to trade that cap hit to another team?

    Who in their right mind would take any QB, much less Drew Brees at a $27 Mil cap hit? That’s insane.
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    Rex Ryan on line 2.

  20. pftpoetsboyfriend says: Mar 16, 2015 12:22 PM

    This is why you don’t employ capologists who studied common core math.

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    LOL! Best PFT comment of the MONTH!

  21. “Signing Byrd last year broke the bank. He was never worth the money.”

    Things that Bills fans said last year when you stole him. We only wanted him because we have 30 million in cap and nothing to do with it.

  22. Seriously, who is going to want Brees with that huge cap hit? He thinks he can play until he’s 45, but the realities of the NFL and his declining skills say otherwise. Good luck with that trade.

  23. Brees has always tried to project himself as a rah rah rah team player but in reality is as money hungry as N. Suh. While great QB’s like Manning, Brady, Big Ben have restructured their contracts for the good of the team, Brees won’t even think about it. The Saints are not going to be competitive this year and with next year being Brees final year on his contract, what team is going to want to trade for him when they can just wait for the Saints to not resign him. As N.E. does, get rid of a player one year early instead of one year too late. I bet the Saints would be surprised if they were to put Brees on the market this year that there would be very limited interest. No team would take on that contract and the Saints should use that as leverage to force Brees to take a pay cut or restructure to assist them in their cap situation. It is also obvious with the moves the Saints have made this year that they are focusing more on becoming a running team vs. a passing team so it lessens the need for a $27M QB who’s better days are behind him. There are a couple of teams who might be willing to overspend for Brees this year, like Bills, Jets, Texans, Jags.

  24. Given their usual performance, I’m honestly scared of what a tanking Saints team might look like.

  25. All you need to know about Brees is when he under tipped that delivery guy, there is your explanation on the type of guy he might be.

  26. Nobody will trade for Brees at his cap number. But the Saints would save themselves $20 million by waiving him in 2016 before his salary became guaranteed. They’ll use that as leverage to either rework his deal or they will actually release him. Because nobody is going go the power-run route and have close to $30 million in cap space invested in the QB.

  27. So you’re barely under the cap and you trade a talented, young, cheap receiver for a declining, older, much more expensive linebacker, and a player that, by all reports, was about to be cut by Miami. That makes a whole lot of sense.

    Maybe Benson’s family should take Mickey Loomis to court instead. Seems he’s the one that may actually be losing his mind.

  28. It seems to me that the saints playing by different rules the last two years. Last year they were said to have no cap space, and they signed like 10 players after that. This year it was reported they were around 20 million over the cap. They traded players and also signed 2 or 3 players and didn’t appear to decrese their “cap number” much at all… but yet now they are under the cap. I don’t get it?
    Those restructors must be super serious restructors to decrease 10-15 million in cap space.
    I wish someone would do an investigation and specifically report on how they’ve done this, cause it doesn’t add up to me.

  29. The vitriol directed at Brees is amusing. Management hasn’t approached Brees about renegotiating this year. It wouldn’t make any sense to do it now. Saints cleared cap space for 2016 and beyond. Cleared out Graham, Lofton, Grubbs and will restructure Evans. Ellerbe reworked his deal. Saints have 5 of the first 78 picks. Reports of their demise are greatly exaggerated.

  30. NO franchise QBs gives back money UNLESS he has a chance to win it back in incentives, i.e. P. Manning. T. Brady did NOT take a pay cut in re-structuring his contract. At his age Drew Brees can’t re-work his contract to make it cap friendly to the Saints, UNLESS he took a pay cut. Imo he doesn’t have enough years left in the league to convert his guaranteed money into a signing bonus. If he did and he gets cut after 2015 or 2016, ALL of that money immediately goes against that year’s cap.
    I’ll maintain as I always have, that GM Loomis should’ve redone Brees’ contract after the 2009 or 2010 seasons. During his stint with the Saints, Brees has put up big numbers every season, which was only gonna increase his market value. That’s why Belichick got out in front of Gronk’s contract and the Texans got out in front of Watts’ contract. Imo, the Texans probably saved themselves $10 mil in guaranteed money by re-doing his contract BEFORE the 2014 season. MICKEY LOOMIS REALLY NEEDS TO TAKE NOTE OF GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF POTENTIAL CAP BUSTING CONTRACTS.

  31. How you do you really know the Saints are willing to deal Brees *this year*?

    This year, next year, what’s the difference? I mean other than Brees will have lots more trade value this year than next.

  32. And this is the issue every team that has to come up with one of these huge franchise QB deals will go through at some point. Or Miami will have to deal with due to the Suh signing.

    I hate it when fans call players greedy or money hungry. It takes two to tango. If a team signs a player to a contract, why is it that the team is never expected to honor the contract, and players are “greedy” because they expect the contract to be honored? The player signed a contract negotiated with the team. Both sides signed the deal.

    NFL contracts appear to be nothing more than a shell game. The fact that teams sign bad deals and put off bad money into later years of the contract isn’t the player’s fault.

    In other words, Brees isn’t responsible for managing the Saints’ cap, and he signed a contract offered by the team. He isn’t the issue, it’s just bad financial management by the team.

  33. The truth hurts sometimes but the fact is that the Saints are going to have to blow it up and start over, just like the Raiders did.

    You keep “kicking the can down the road” and this is where you end up.

  34. Mentioning Buffalo as a home for Brees is just downright ignorant.

    The Bills have no cap room left, never mind how much they would need to sign Brees.

    How do you max out and not even have a QB?

    SMH, Buffalo.

  35. The Bengals, Jets, Bills, Dolphins, Browns, Titans, Texans, Redskins, Raiders, Chiefs, Bears, Buccaneers, Rams, Eagles, and Cardinals right now would trade their 1st born in order to get Brees if he were available. He gets a lot of trash talk but Bree’s is still a elite qb and still has imense trade value

  36. whodat5150 says:
    Mar 16, 2015 1:13 PM

    NO franchise QBs gives back money UNLESS he has a chance to win it back in incentives, i.e. P. Manning. T. Brady did NOT take a pay cut in re-structuring his contract. At his age Drew Brees can’t re-work his contract to make it cap friendly to the Saints, UNLESS he took a pay cut. Imo he doesn’t have enough years left in the league to convert his guaranteed money into a signing bonus. If he did and he gets cut after 2015 or 2016, ALL of that money immediately goes against that year’s cap.
    I’ll maintain as I always have, that GM Loomis should’ve redone Brees’ contract after the 2009 or 2010 seasons. During his stint with the Saints, Brees has put up big numbers every season, which was only gonna increase his market value. That’s why Belichick got out in front of Gronk’s contract and the Texans got out in front of Watts’ contract. Imo, the Texans probably saved themselves $10 mil in guaranteed money by re-doing his contract BEFORE the 2014 season. MICKEY LOOMIS REALLY NEEDS TO TAKE NOTE OF GETTING OUT IN FRONT OF POTENTIAL CAP BUSTING CONTRACTS.
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    Brees is younger than both Brady and Manning. They both restructured. So if I read it right you don’t think Brees will be in the league long enough to make up guaranteed money but Brady and Manning will? How about we ask Drew again about that restructuring. Otherwise he just might end up on a perennial loser next year playing out his contract or worse yet getting cut and signing for a whole lot less.

  37. at some point either the salary cap really needs to go up alot or these monster deals have to stop, teams and players can’t have it both ways forever because sooner or later every team is going to have a 200 million dollar qb and the rest of the roster will be scrubs off the street.

  38. I look NFL football. And I love Drew Brees.

    BUT, let’s take a look at some of his numbers. He signed and got a $37 million signing bonus.

    How much is that?

    Let’s suppose you reading this make $100,000/yr. This is not a bad salary in the U.S. In fact, it’s a fantastic salary. But, at that rate it would take 370 years for you to amass $37 million.

    Isn’t this a little over the top?

    Short of finding a vaccine for curing cancer, isn’t this paying someone WAY too much money, no matter who he/she is?

  39. “Unger (or somebody else with a sizable salary) basically had to be part of that deal so the Seahawks could deal with their own cap issues to be able to bring Graham aboard. And note that Loomis’ comments after the trade weren’t about strengthening the line with Unger but were all about his wanting to improve the defense. That tells you Unger wasn’t so much who they wanted in return for Graham but was more who they had to take in order to get the deal done.”
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    What utter nonsense.

    Seattle doesn’t have cap issues, thanks to not having had to pay their QB. How RW’s eventual contract impacts the teams cap has yet to be seen. People assume Seattle will face cap issues once RW is paid. Even without having seen RW’s contract. Stop speculating.

    Unger’s contract IS and WAS nearly as expensive as Graham’s….Hello!

  40. In Loomis We STILL Trust

    Breaking News: Saints won a Super Bowl with the SAME front office… Most fans team’s have NOT even come close to a recent Super Bowl lol

  41. billytodd2013blbaad says:
    Mar 16, 2015 1:32 PM

    at some point either the salary cap really needs to go up alot or these monster deals have to stop, teams and players can’t have it both ways forever because sooner or later every team is going to have a 200 million dollar qb and the rest of the roster will be scrubs off the street.
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    Every team but one. No way Belichick puts all his eggs in one basket. Even if it’s TB’s basket.

  42. Drew Brees’ skills started slipping two years ago and it got progressively worse last season. I saw it, but people were in denial. 2015 ain’t gonna be nothin’ nice!

    It’s sad to see the team depleted for just one person: Brees. Sean Payton and Mickey Loomis act like they’re scared to deal with Brees! If the Broncos can ask Peyton Manning to take a $4m pay cut, surely the Saints can demand it of Brees. The cost of living in New Orleans is a whole lot cheaper. So, Brees and his family won’t be getting welfare EBT cards if he takes a pay cut.

    He is destroying his great legacy. Point blank! If this were Aaron Brooks, the Who Dat nation would nail him to the cross! He led the Saints to their first playoff win, yet gets no love. Meanwhile, Brees has the team dangled over the Mississippi River Bridge and they’re just letting him do it! Stop this madness!

    They need to trade Brees NOW! Forget next year. What little value he has left will be diminished further. Cut the bait a year early, rather than two years too late!

    While we appreciate what he brought to the team and city, be mindful: He got paid for it. So, we don’t need to pay him forever.

    Time to dial 1-800-BOUNCE-BREES!

  43. joedirte says:
    Mar 16, 2015 1:30 PM

    The Bengals, Jets, Bills, Dolphins, Browns, Titans, Texans, Redskins, Raiders, Chiefs, Bears, Buccaneers, Rams, Eagles, and Cardinals right now would trade their 1st born in order to get Brees if he were available. He gets a lot of trash talk but Bree’s is still a elite qb and still has imense trade value
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    Cross out the Bengals,Jets, Dolphins,Browns,Titans,Redskins,Raiders, Chiefs, Bears, Bucs and Eagles. Everyone knows Brees sucks outside a dome.

  44. Complete overhaul needed. Coaching staff included , seems like Teflon shanny in Denver win a few SBs and gets carte Blanche wink wink the new Teflon coach Sean Peyton.

  45. Brees said publicly in 2014 that he would gladly restructure his contract for the team, If They Asked Him. Its amazing how stupid most of you people are….wow!

  46. They should just trade Brees while they can. It would suck for him to wallow on such a crappy team his last few years. It’s also a shame that Manning is still playing for Denver. That team’s time is passed as well. He could be playing for a real team instead. But alas he is like Brees pointlessly going through the motions on sub par teams.

  47. Drew Brees contract in 2015 is 18% of the entire Saints salary cap — how many Super Bowl teams are built when one player makes almost 1/5 of the entire team payroll?

    Don’t get me wrong, Drew deserves fair pay but in reality, don’t tell “Who Dat Nation” you are focused on pursuing another Lombardi Trophy – just go out and give us 18% effort and maybe your other 52 teammates can earn their 82%!

  48. Why all the hating on the Saints? I mean come on now. All they are doing is make teh moves to win NOW unlike many other franchises. Maybe Brees will take a pay cut and restructure his deal. There is still a lot of time left before the next season kicks off.

  49. Brees needs to take a big pay cut and focus on winning some more Super Bowls. He should of already done that if he wants to make it back to the big game. Not like he doesn’t have enough money already, more then the average person makes in a life time.

  50. A team trading for Brees would only be on the hook for his bas salary and the workout bonus ($19 million in 2015, $20 million in 2016). The Saints would have to absorb the accelerated Signing Bonus this year, so they’d be on the hook for $14.8 right now if they did manage to trade him. That would save them $11.6 million if they could find a sucker…errr…interested party.

  51. OK, so you need a franchise QB to win the SB.
    Then if you don’t win the SB you have a franchise QB killing your cap and destroying the team for years to come.
    Football is the greatest game ever!

  52. I”m a life long Saints fan. I wish Drew wouldn’t go anywhere. But, I have the stranges feeling that in this year’s draft the Saints are going to end up with 3 number 1’s. And, that will mean that Drew isn’t a Saint anymore. It looks like SP is building the Saints to be a running team.

  53. Saints still in bad cap shape, even after flurry of moves
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    Why? Because some sports writer says so? I think I’ll trust an actual NFL GM that’s been VERY SUCCESSFUL at his job instead of some writer that majored in journalism lol

  54. Doesn’t matter what the people who have access to all the information related to a team and it’s cap position say, certain Saints “fans” know best. smh at the stupidity of some of the comments. Everyone (outside of those know-it-all Saints fans of course) knew when the Saints gave Brees the ridiculous contract that it would eventually put the team in cap hell………..it does every team sooner or later. You can only kick the can down the road so far and so long.

  55. Simple fix:

    GM: Drew, we need you to restructure big time.

    DB: No way, you signed me, you’re gonna pay me.

    GM: Drew, the Browns called…

    DB: How much do you need?

  56. Every other player’s redone their contract…like Peyton, who’s made 100M+ more than Brees, and Brady, who has a wife making even more money than he does. Different situations with “everyone else,” Brees deserves every penny of his one big contract.

  57. No one is touching that contract, not to mention how he struggled in many games last year. His best years are behind him.
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    He QB’d the Saints to the Number 1 TOP offense in the league last year so your point is mute..

  58. What a load of ignorance here.

    Drew Brees isn’t “slipping” or aging so much as he has had a CRAP offensive line the last couple of years.

    Our O-Line was basically raided in the year or two following the superbowl. A strong offensive line and decent running game is key for keeping Drew productive. Since we have no decent offensive line, we’ve basically been forcing the ball to Jimmy Graham and doing screen passes to Pierre Thomas and runs up the middle with Ingram. We’ve had a one-dimensional offense since our O-line left.

    A crap O-line, a crap defense… Brees is the only reason we’ve done as well as we have! The mistakes he’s made are because he’s trying to make up for the deficiencies in the overall team.

    I, for one, am really happy about the changes being made in New Orleans. It looks like Sean Payton finally has his fire back after that year off. Now, if we can just get the team to leave that cushy resort and start training tough again.

  59. Is this a joke? Will never happen, bank on it!

    Also, if I have to hear one more comment about Brees’ salary, I’ll scream!

    Get the facts people. For 2014, Brees’ was #7 on the list of the Top #10 QBs and their cap hit. For 2015, guess what? He’s not at the top of the list either.

    His CONTRACT IS NOT THE ISSUE, let me repeat, HIS CONTRACT IS NOT THE ISSUE. If you don’t believe me, just play back Loomis’ interview last week, they aren’t even interested in restructuring his contract, because according to the GM – HIS CONTRACT IS NOT AN ISSUE.

    How many times are you guys going to beat a dead horse that’s not actually dead!

  60. sb44champs says:
    Mar 16, 2015 3:02 PM

    No one is touching that contract, not to mention how he struggled in many games last year. His best years are behind him.
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    He QB’d the Saints to the Number 1 TOP offense in the league last year so your point is mute..
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    Actually the Saints ranked 9th in scoring offense. The Packers were first.

  61. when the Saints gave Brees the ridiculous contract that it would eventually put the team in cap hell………..it does every team sooner or later.

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    Ridiculous contract, he earned that.

    Brees holds numerous passing records (all by himself mind you), and other records as well. He’s a first-ballot future HOFer, he more than deserved that contract.

    Brees’ lifetime career earnings are $131M, Brady’s is $150M, and P Manning is $200+M. Come on…seriously, you can say that with a straight face!

  62. thejuddstir says:
    Mar 16, 2015 2:34 PM

    Doesn’t matter what the people who have access to all the information related to a team and it’s cap position say, certain Saints “fans” know best. smh at the stupidity of some of the comments. Everyone (outside of those know-it-all Saints fans of course) knew when the Saints gave Brees the ridiculous contract that it would eventually put the team in cap hell………..it does every team sooner or later. You can only kick the can down the road so far and so long.
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    Every Dolphin fan should read this then maybe they won’t keep fawning over an overpriced defensive tackle.

  63. Brees is going to be a Brown before long. That team has so much cap room and needs a QB so bad.
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    The Browns are where QBs go to die.

    I don’t care how much $$ you have, keep dreaming…

  64. “Unger (or somebody else with a sizable salary) basically had to be part of that deal so the Seahawks could deal with their own cap issues to be able to bring Graham aboard. And note that Loomis’ comments after the trade weren’t about strengthening the line with Unger but were all about his wanting to improve the defense. That tells you Unger wasn’t so much who they wanted in return for Graham but was more who they had to take in order to get the deal done.”

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    Uh, apparently you didn’t read the interview that SP gave.

    The Saints “approached” Seattle because SP wanted Max Unger. They then worked out a deal for the trade to GET THE PLAYER THAT THE SAINTS wanted, not the other way around.

    S0 much bad information going around, you guys do know that you can find out all the “actual facts” on the same internet, right?

  65. Actually the Saints ranked 9th in scoring offense. The Packers were first.
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    Actually, if you want real facts, the season ended like this for the Saints:

    Net Yards #1
    First Downs #1
    Passing #3
    Receiving Yards #3

    The Packers were not in the TOP FIVE of any of those categories.

  66. When you have a top notch QB, you KEEP him and deal with cap issues later. Believe me, there are plenty of other teams who would love to be in this situation. They aren’t getting rid of Brees for anything short of 2 #1 picks.

  67. Seriously, what is wrong with some of the people who post here? Brees brought a Lombardi trophy to New Orleans, set passing records, and kept them in contention several years when they had bad defenses; but now that they’re in bad cap shape he’s supposed to take a huge pay cut? It’s the executives in the organization that messed up the cap. Even the big cap numbers for Brees this year and the next are a result of the way they structured his contract. The executives screwed up. Let them find a way to fix the problem. How many of you who made such an absurd suggestion (worded in some cases more like a demand), or thumbs upped it, would walk into your boss’ office and offer to give back a large part of the money you’ve earned working for the company because your boss messed up and the company is experiencing a cash flow problem? Brees did his job quite well and earned his salary. The executives in charge of personnel and managing the cap didn’t. Let them give back their salary until they come up with a solution to the problem they created.

  68. I’d rather have a franchise, future HOF QB who has actually won a championship verses a DT who makes so much that I will keep my team from ever having a franchise QB.

  69. The Seahawks plucked Graham from a desperate team willing to unload cheap. Smart.

    When you see teams that are cap-vulnerable, a huge window of opportunity avails. Credit to Seattle for seeing that – and working it.
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    Seahawks DID NOT pluck Graham from the Saints.

    If you paid attention, SP already said they approached Seattle because the Saints wanted Unger, had their eye on him. We tossed Graham in to sweeten the trade, not the other way around.

    Also, we DID win the SB without Lofton, Grubbs, Stills and most importantly…Graham. We were a Top #5 offense four years before we brought Graham in. And we have been a Top #5 offense for 9 years since Payton and Brees came on board.

    The Saints will be just fine…just watch!

  70. The Saints already said they won’t touch Brees or his contract this year. Next year they will extend his contract to ease the cap hit. The only chance they have at another championship is WITH Brees. People with short memories, do you want to go back to the days of Billy Joe Hobert, Billy Joe Tolliver and Billt Joe Wuerffel?

  71. imodan says:
    Mar 16, 2015 1:32 PM

    “Brees is younger than both Brady and Manning. They both restructured. So if I read it right you don’t think Brees will be in the league long enough to make up guaranteed money but Brady and Manning will? How about we ask Drew again about that restructuring. Otherwise he just might end up on a perennial loser next year playing out his contract or worse yet getting cut and signing for a whole lot less.”
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    Neither Brady or Manning are guaranteed as much money as Brees over the next two years; over $50 mil. In 2013, Brady allowed NE to spread out the $24 mil owed to him, over the next 3 years and NE added $1 mil to EACH of those three years. Yes, he restructured but he DID NOT take a pay cut! In fact, he got a $3 mil raise. Manning can make his $4 mil back in 2015 and not future years. Yes, Brees is younger than the other two but I doubt that Brees, Brady or Manning will be in the NFL four years from now. GM Loomis is saying they didn’t ask Brees to restructure and I believe him. Unless Brees takes a pay cut (and as I said earlier, no one does that unless they can make it up) there is NO WAY to get cap relief which is why they PROBABLY didn’t ask him to restructure or take a pay cut.

  72. Gotta hand it to Saint fans for their loyalty. If this story was about almost any other club you’d see far more consensus about whether the front office had screwed up. But there’s a lot of Saint fans who firmly believe every single move Loomis and Payton make is part of some grand plan. Like anybody would intentionally hand $27 million to their QB and then decide a year or so later to swap their best receiver for a center so they can concentrate on running between the tackles? Only in Saints-land could you sell that as solid-thinking by the front office.

  73. kimbo71006 says:
    Mar 16, 2015 3:52 PM
    Actually the Saints ranked 9th in scoring offense. The Packers were first.
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    Actually, if you want real facts, the season ended like this for the Saints:

    Net Yards #1
    First Downs #1
    Passing #3
    Receiving Yards #3

    The Packers were not in the TOP FIVE of any of those categories.
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    I always thought the objective of an offense was to score points. The Packers offense did that. What good are all those other stats if the points don’t go up on the board? The best offense in football was in Green Bay. Besides your offense wasn’t good enough to make the playoffs.

  74. The Seahawks plucked Graham from a desperate team willing to unload cheap. Smart.

    When you see teams that are cap-vulnerable, a huge window of opportunity avails. Credit to Seattle for seeing that – and working it.
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    The Seahawks will be in cap hell this time next year, dont worry. And you will disappointed in Graham.

  75. “Brees is younger than both Brady and Manning. They both restructured. So if I read it right you don’t think Brees will be in the league long enough to make up guaranteed money but Brady and Manning will? How about we ask Drew again about that restructuring. Otherwise he just might end up on a perennial loser next year playing out his contract or worse yet getting cut and signing for a whole lot less.”
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    Neither Brady or Manning are guaranteed as much money as Brees over the next two years; over $50 mil. In 2013, Brady allowed NE to spread out the $24 mil owed to him, over the next 3 years and NE added $1 mil to EACH of those three years. Yes, he restructured but he DID NOT take a pay cut! In fact, he got a $3 mil raise. Manning can make his $4 mil back in 2015 and not future years. Yes, Brees is younger than the other two but I doubt that Brees, Brady or Manning will be in the NFL four years from now. GM Loomis is saying they didn’t ask Brees to restructure and I believe him. Unless Brees takes a pay cut (and as I said earlier, no one does that unless they can make it up) there is NO WAY to get cap relief which is why they PROBABLY didn’t ask him to restructure or take a pay cut.
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    So Brees gets twice Bradys guaranteed money? That’s just CRAZY!

  76. Gotta hand it to Saint fans for their loyalty. If this story was about almost any other club you’d see far more consensus about whether the front office had screwed up. But there’s a lot of Saint fans who firmly believe every single move Loomis and Payton make is part of some grand plan. Like anybody would intentionally hand $27 million to their QB and then decide a year or so later to swap their best receiver for a center so they can concentrate on running between the tackles? Only in Saints-land could you sell that as solid-thinking by the front office.
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    Umm, the team went 7-9 last year with arguably the most expensive roster. Graham is on decline and they sold high. You idiots assume Graham made Brees, it was quiet the opposite. He can make anyone a pro bowl receiver.

  77. Thanks for Graham! We actually saved money in the deal! HAHA!
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    Graham is owed $30 mil over the next 3 years. Explain that to me.

  78. Sean Peyton seems like the new Teflon shanahan.
    Might be time to can coach after another so so season.
    If he can’t coach homegrown drafted players and doesn’t stop with the other teams cast offs.
    The saints will be the aints in no time

  79. Uh, apparently you didn’t read the interview that SP gave.

    The Saints “approached” Seattle because SP wanted Max Unger. They then worked out a deal for the trade to GET THE PLAYER THAT THE SAINTS wanted, not the other way around.

    S0 much bad information going around, you guys do know that you can find out all the “actual facts” on the same internet, right?

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    That would be the same Internet that published Loomis’ full comments following the trade which read:

    “We’ve had a good offensive team for a number of years. We’ve been able to finish in the top four or five in offense in eight of the last nine years. We do well on that side of the ball, but we’ve got to get better on defense. There are three ways to get players in our league. That’s through free agency, it’s through the draft and then trades. We believe in using all avenues. We took one of our assets and turned it into some resources that we can hopefully improve our defense with.”

    Anybody see any mention in there that the trade was all about getting Unger to help out with the running game? Not doubting they have a use for the guy but Loomis wasn’t exactly speaking in code when he said their main goal was to take Graham’s money to help them on defense, was he?

  80. Relax…Drew has brung the Saints something they never thought they would see….A Superbowl, he deserves every penny because he earned it. I lived through the Aaron Brooks days and you got QBs like Cutler, Flacco, and Kap signing mega contracts….

    the Saints are lacking in multiple departments on defense and they are about to take on quality athletes with manageable rookie contracts with all the draft picks they have available… It takes a defense to win championships (see saints ’09). Lewis, Byrd, Vacarro, Browner, Bush, and Jean Baptist will work out just fine…. pressure on the qb will make their jobs easier (why they will draft a pass rusher).

    I see them drafting the best available WR with the 13th pick, best avail pass rusher with the 31st and mostly defensive and oline positions afterwards.

    Running the ball with Ingram/spiller and building the oline will take the pressure off of Drew and open up the play action and screen game (see ’09 saints)…. the addition of a big physical outside receiver (Dorial Green-Beckham) paired with Colston and Cooks will give the offense a different feel from the “throw it Graham” feel that did not bring the Saints a superbowl….

    Sincerely,

    A Saints fan that believes we got the Juice…. #returnoftheNFCSouthChamps

  81. Saints still have one of the best head coach/QB/GMs in the entire league and delivered NOLA a Super Bowl a few years ago so none of these (biased) opinions really matter… they are just that….opinions lol

  82. My team is competitive. My coach and general manager have built a winner. They’ve given me a team to be proud of, with one of the most prolific offenses led by a future hall of fame quarterback that I could watch and pull for every Sunday for the past 9 years. In those 9 years, we’ve had 3 disappointing seasons (I refuse to count 2012), BUT, I went into even those 3 seasons full of optimism, and carried that hope all the way to the end of the season.

    Since Sean Payton became my coach, my team is always in the running, and never an embarrassment.
    In those 9 seasons, my team has won my division 3 times, 6 playoff games, and a Superbowl. Who dat.

    32 teams try to improve and stay/become competitive every year through Free Agency, the draft, and coaching. Approx. half the teams have a winning season and only 12 teams make the playoffs, 8 teams win their division, 2 teams go to the Superbowl, and 1 team wins the Superbowl. What I’m getting out of reading most of the comments above is that 20 coaching staffs should be fired yearly, or at least be in the hot seat. I just don’t get it.

    “Salary Cap Hell” ??? Would any of you be satisfied if we were to just tank the 2015/2016 season and become the equivalent of an expansion team? Drew Brees’ contract was a mistake? If the Saint’s wouldn’t have resigned him, what would you have said about that… in the comments section?

    Be glad our team is spending money and trying to put the championship pieces together. Hurting our future cap position? Be glad that our team found a way to get under the cap this year, hope they will be able to do it again next year, and the next. Enjoy having a fun offense, and a world class quarterback, and get excited that we now have some exciting new players coming in. Realize that our team is still in all the big discussions, even after a 7-9 season. Realize that there are a lot of fans out there that would trade the last nine years with you in a heartbeat.

    And before you start calling for Drew Brees’ to be traded, cut, or whatever… talk to some Packers fans… talk to some 49ers fans… Most of them sadly regret Farve and Montana not finishing their careers on the home team roster. Heros don’t come around too often. But we have one, and we have him NOW… Enjoy it while it last.

  83. I confused Josh Hill for Jimmy Graham making touchdowns at a two of the games I attended last year. I’m hoping that was a sign of things to come.

    1st round pick #1 should be the best available LB or DE

    1st round pick #2 should be best available CB or OG

    IMO

    As for WR, I’m anxious to see if Coleman, Jones, or Toon can step up. I see beckham-green as a good big-man, but there is another receiver that is comparable that will probably be available at our 2nd 3rd round pick.

    Darren Waller WR Georgia Tech 6-6 238

  84. It’sfunny everyone saying Brees needs to restructure, he has declined last year. I hope to see the defense improve so he doesn’thave to throw 600 times and have to lead the league Iin passing. If defense stands up and actually wraps up on a tackle it will be an improvement on both sides of the ball. Also, getting rid of graham was a good move, yes he would score 2 or 3 yesor have huge yardage Iin some games but against crap defenses. Where was he with clutch catches. Watch the saints browns game from last year. Where was Jimmywhen they needed the catch. Brees got Iit to him he just never hung on in traffic.

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