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“More probable than not” carries important legal meaning

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To the non-lawyer, the money quotes from the Ted Wells report suggest a mere probability that cheating occurred. But the specific terminology used by Wells actually indicates a belief that the evidence satisfies one of the most common standards used in a court of law.

“More probable than not” equates to a “preponderance of the evidence,” the standard that applies in most civil lawsuits. It means that the evidence makes it more likely than not, in the opinion of the investigator, that “New England Patriots personnel participated in violations of the Playing Rules and were involved in a deliberate effort to circumvent the rules,” and that “Tom Brady . . . was at least generally aware of the inappropriate activities.”

That’s a standard perhaps even higher than the one that applies to players accused of violating the Personal Conduct Policy, where “credible corroborating evidence” (even without cooperation from the alleged victim) can result in a significant suspension. Regardless, it’s enough proof on which the NFL can base punishment of a team.

“Too often, competitive violations have gone unpunished because conclusive proof of the violation was lacking,” Commissioner Roger Goodell wrote to the NFL’s Competition Committee in 2008, after the last game-integrity infraction involving the Patriots.  “I believe we should reconsider the standard of proof to be applied in such cases, and make it easier for a competitive violation to be established.”

Although there was nothing easy about the Wells investigation, his decision that a preponderance of the evidence points to a deliberate effort to circumvent the rules gives Goodell the green light to impose discipline.

Still, the use of the term “more probable than not” takes some of the sting out of the finding by allowing non-lawyers to believe that, as Patriots owner Robert Kraft has always said, there was no hard evidence of cheating. When it comes to issues of this nature, hard evidence isn’t needed to justify a stringent punishment.

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  1. Shinnbone says: May 6, 2015 4:42 PM

    AND STILL SUPER BOWL 49 CHAMPIONS….THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!!!!

    #2ndandgoal

  2. thinredline69 says: May 6, 2015 4:43 PM

    It’s a “duck” more probable than not since it looks, walks, and quacks like one.

  3. wringworm says: May 6, 2015 4:43 PM

    and “…without reasonable doubt” fits where???

  4. r8rsfan says: May 6, 2015 4:43 PM

    New England Patriots*
    Bill Belicheck*
    Tom Brady*

  5. butwhatabouttheintegrityofthegame says: May 6, 2015 4:43 PM

    look mamma, its the devil

  6. kennymooseandgoose says: May 6, 2015 4:44 PM

    It’s “probable” that La’el Collins was somehow involved in murder, so how many games will he be suspended next season? As long as we are using the “probable” yardstick, then it should be applied evenly across the board.

  7. unbreakable02215 says: May 6, 2015 4:45 PM

    Jerry Rice.

  8. madmax80 says: May 6, 2015 4:45 PM

    Poor Tommy.

    He went from the G.O.A.T.
    To the scapeGOAT.

    Now, he’s probably calling Emmit Smith to ask if he can borrow his escapeGOAT.

  9. nflrulebook says: May 6, 2015 4:46 PM

    The NFL by law also said the commissioner must be a person of unquestionable integrity. The preponderance of evidence indicates he is not.

  10. jnasty5000akajungguns says: May 6, 2015 4:47 PM

    The telling part of the entire report(which 1% of you have read) is that the game balls came up missing prior to the game and the entire officiating crew was in a panic. Nobody from the Patriots should have been handling them at that point but McNully took them to the bathroom which makes absolutely no common sense whatsoever. Patriots got busted it’s just that simple. There was no conspiracy by the Colts which y’all have suggested for months now.

  11. purplegreenandgold says: May 6, 2015 4:47 PM

    since the draft is over and slow around the league… the stories will continue to come out from all possible angles and the clickometer will explode! Its christmas all over again!

  12. cheeks9441 says: May 6, 2015 4:47 PM

    If you’re a Patriots fan and you claim the Wells Report is still lacking in evidence, you’re just embarrassing yourself at this point.

  13. sdchicken says: May 6, 2015 4:47 PM

    Lamest story in sports history. I’m not a Patriot fan or foe and could really care less about if footballs were within 1-2 pounds of pressure range.

  14. ilovefoolsball says: May 6, 2015 4:47 PM

    I always liked the Patriots and I don’t think that deflated footballs win a game, however the NFL should come down hard on the ball club.
    There have been repeated infractions involving the integrity of competition. I can’t see how they don’t get docked some draft picks and receive a suspension as well as a fine.
    It’s not as scandalous but it’s more of a black eye on the league than the fictitious bounty investigation.

  15. hakunamangata says: May 6, 2015 4:48 PM

    Yep we were all just jealous.

    #Patriotwaygate.

  16. pbrady89 says: May 6, 2015 4:48 PM

    It’s “probable” that La’el Collins was somehow involved in murder, so how many games will he be suspended next season? As long as we are using the “probable” yardstick, then it should be applied evenly across the board.

    ————————————————————

    Written by someone who doesn’t seem to know what the word probable means.

  17. spud1111 says: May 6, 2015 4:48 PM

    Caught time and again-cheetahs!

  18. skawh says: May 6, 2015 4:49 PM

    To heck with that. The phone texts between Patriot staffers deliberately and knowingly doing Brady’s dirty work, and Brady’s compensation to them by way of Jersey’s and signed balls, and who knows what else CASH, are all the evidence needed to establish Brady knew, Brady lied.

    None of this is news to anyone outside of NE fans. Pat’s are forever known from this day forward as the Paint’s…aka Taints. Cheating *** organization!

  19. whatnojets says: May 6, 2015 4:50 PM

    Guilty, Guilty and Guilty of all charges and claims.

    Dear Mr. Goodell,

    Suspend Brady today and save your and the NFL reputation!!!

  20. azarkhan says: May 6, 2015 4:50 PM

    If there is evidence of cheating, present it. Otherwise, apologize to the Patriots.

  21. hehateme2 says: May 6, 2015 4:50 PM

    Franchise has a long history of cheating going back to the “snow plow game.” they are an embarrassment to the NFL.

  22. higheriqthanyou says: May 6, 2015 4:51 PM

    Poor Pat fans.

    First claiming innocence…

    then claiming the Colts did it and would be punished…

    now just covering their ears and eyes and refusing to face reality.

    Your team – its leader, its coach and its owner – are cheats.

    You’ll forever be tainted as you should be.

    And Tommy should be suspended for a minimum of a year if not forever.

    This cuts to the heart of NFL integrity and questions the results of games.

  23. hjb99992013 says: May 6, 2015 4:51 PM

    the Pats fans Kool-Aid drinkers are always oblivious to the preponderance of evidence

  24. duece5 says: May 6, 2015 4:51 PM

    You know, when I go to the bathroom, I usually bring 12 footballs with me.

    Doesn’t everybody?

  25. ronin36 says: May 6, 2015 4:52 PM

    One point that may be missed..

    It sounds like Patriots personel were intermingling with officials.. and that Tom Brady was autographing things.. which could also have ended up in the hands of the officials…

    Isn’t that something that should be frowned upon? Isn’t that bribery of the officials?

    Just a thought.

  26. sdchicken says: May 6, 2015 4:53 PM

    Is it probable Dez did something bad in a wallmart parking lot?

    Is it probable that La’el Collins was involved in murder?

    Is it probable that Rex Ryan just had lunch with no recruiting Collins?

    Is it probable Arron Rodgers over inflates footballs?

    How about we stick to proof with yes or no answers.

    Quit with the witch hunts already.

  27. securb2013 says: May 6, 2015 4:53 PM

    It will be interesting to see what Jimmy Garoppolo can do for the first 2-4 games of the season. Going 0-4 will be a nice punishment for the cheaters.

  28. lackofabetter says: May 6, 2015 4:54 PM

    On an unrelated note Jimmy Garoppolo seen warming up his arm and buying a burner phone

  29. ejmat2 says: May 6, 2015 4:55 PM

    kennymooseandgoose says:
    May 6, 2015 4:44 PM

    It’s “probable” that La’el Collins was somehow involved in murder, so how many games will he be suspended next season? As long as we are using the “probable” yardstick, then it should be applied evenly across the board.
    ——————————————-
    I haven’t heard that he was “probably” involved of his ex’s murder so I’m not sure where that statement came from. But to answer your question, if he was involved it will hurt his chances from getting on a team but being suspended by an organization before joining it is highly “not probable”. Players should be treated equally, yes. But Collins not even an NFL player yet. Bot a good comparison.

  30. dbh249 says: May 6, 2015 4:55 PM

    Tom Brady learned from his father…i wonder what corners Tom Brady Sr. cut…

  31. jnovi86 says: May 6, 2015 4:56 PM

    one year bans for Brady Belechick and Kraft, loss of 2016 first round pick, and 250,000 fine.

  32. baileytheskydiver says: May 6, 2015 4:56 PM

    The patriots got caught.. I don’t know how pats fans don’t see it lol. Just in denial I guess.

  33. jmc8888 says: May 6, 2015 4:56 PM

    Of course non-lawyers also know the threshold of a civil case isn’t as high as a criminal case. There IS a reason for that.

    In other words, to a non-lawyer, we know that it doesn’t have to be true for a civil penalty to be applied. It just needs to be argued well.

    Thus we get back to square one…what actually happened.

    So while ‘legally’ it can be ‘correct’ to apply a penalty, the truth of the matter is, we don’t legally know what happened. We just have a lowered standard and someone who argued well and now wants penalties.

    Again 0 or 1. It either happened or it didn’t. Using lower standards and saying that means it’s justice, doesn’t make it so.

    PFT would be wise to realize that.

  34. Nofoolnodrool says: May 6, 2015 4:56 PM

    Where are all the arrogant Patsie trolls today? You know the ones that talk about hate and tears are delicious etc…..crickets. They are cowards and their team are cheaters…. A great day in the NFL for the fans of honesty.

  35. gadgetking2010 says: May 6, 2015 4:57 PM

    They need to suspend Brady for at at least a couple of games. I also want to know how the center did not notice the deflated footballs ?

  36. tavisteelersfan says: May 6, 2015 4:57 PM

    wringworm says:
    May 6, 2015 4:43 PM
    and “…without reasonable doubt” fits where??

    In a criminal trial if the idea was Hernandez needs a cell mate. it was reasonable doubt that OJ got off on. It was balance of probabilities where OJ had to pay $40 million or whatever.

    The difference … between citizen and state it is beyond a resonable doubt, between citizens, like a contract dispute or between a player and the team, it is a balance of probabilites standard.

  37. lackofabetter says: May 6, 2015 4:59 PM

    sdchicken says:
    May 6, 2015 4:53 PM

    Is it probable Dez did something bad in a wallmart parking lot?

    Is it probable that La’el Collins was involved in murder?

    Is it probable that Rex Ryan just had lunch with no recruiting Collins?

    Is it probable Arron Rodgers over inflates footballs?

    How about we stick to proof with yes or no answers.

    ——————————

    Is there proof in the form of text messages for all of the above? Then yes it would be probable.

  38. goingthextramile says: May 6, 2015 4:59 PM

    Patriots trolls are on suicide watch today.

  39. whatnojets says: May 6, 2015 4:59 PM

    The Patriots is a dominating name… they have successfully captured every headline in today’s media world!

    Congrats, Pats!!

  40. tajuara says: May 6, 2015 5:00 PM

    The report clearly states that the balls were tested before the game, at halftime 11 out of 12 NE balls were deflated (page 66) and 4 Indy balls tested were within the range (page 67). The staff proceeded to inflate NE balls and retested them after the game and pressure was within range. So tell me again how are they not guilty?

  41. rexranius says: May 6, 2015 5:01 PM

    And the NFL continues to embarrass itself by giving this stupid issue as much credence as Peterson, Hardy and Rice. And by bumbling all of them. At what point will the owners realize that they have a clown (or most likely a car full of clowns) running the show?

  42. Unchained81 says: May 6, 2015 5:01 PM

    I have never seen such a ridiculous witch hunt in my life. This story is obnoxious. I don’t even like the Pats but watching the outrage over a psi of air pressure is downright embarrassing.

  43. thefatlazygamer says: May 6, 2015 5:01 PM

    Screw this, Drew Brees still wants an explanation.

  44. dumbaseinstien says: May 6, 2015 5:01 PM

    For those that “don’t believe it affects the outcome of a game”, then why would Brady & the Patriots do it? Because it does affect the outcome of games by making the ball easier to throw, easier to catch & less likely to be fumbled. The whole Patriots offense benefited from this & who knows for how long. The text messages suggest it was happening for a long time. That means the teams entire Win/Loss record under Bradycheat & Belicheat is absolutely not accurate. They would have lost other games, the only question is how many.

  45. pftlovestrolls says: May 6, 2015 5:02 PM

    My drunkard Uncle has more class than the patriots.

  46. skawh says: May 6, 2015 5:02 PM

    Jack Nicholson playing the part of Tom Brady:

    You *amn right I ordered those balls deflated!!!

  47. weepingjebus says: May 6, 2015 5:03 PM

    Vikings caught on film ball tampering: warning
    Panthers caught on film ball tampering: warning
    Patriots “more probable than not” may have ball tampered without knowledge of coach or organization: 3 month Warren Commission investigation.

    Seems legit.

  48. gotdebttoo says: May 6, 2015 5:03 PM

    “”I also want to know how the center did not notice the deflated footballs ?””
    ———-
    because when you have handled deflated balls for years, those feel “normal” to you.

  49. kingjoe1 says: May 6, 2015 5:03 PM

    Patriots are still superbowl champions and Barry Bonds still holds the MLB HR record.

  50. ejmat2 says: May 6, 2015 5:04 PM

    azarkhan says:
    May 6, 2015 4:50 PM

    If there is evidence of cheating, present it. Otherwise, apologize to the Patriots.
    ———————————————-
    So are you trying to say that the equipment people texted each other knowing that something would come about with this? I think it’s highly improbable that these two people concocted some scheme to get the team they were being paid by in trouble over something that was never caught prior to this.

    Bottom line is Brady did cheat and was caught. Like Brady or not. It’s pretty obvious if you read the report. In fact even if you read quotes of the report from the articles that are out now you can see there was some tampering of the balls going on.

  51. a1b24312 says: May 6, 2015 5:04 PM

    Man., I’m really deflated by this news and analysis.

  52. richardernsberger says: May 6, 2015 5:04 PM

    The Pats have been cheating for years. They are the Alabama of the National Football League. It is in their DNA. They cheated against the Ravens with all their substitution BS. Pats fans don’t like to hear it, but it was cheating. Nobody else runs out players who report to the official that they are eligible or ineligible and then snap the ball three second later. That was typical of the Pats, as is deflating footballs and using video cameras to steal signals–and who knows what else they’ve done. You can bet there have been other things.

  53. jagmankane says: May 6, 2015 5:04 PM

    Pats should fire the scape goats, I mean, equipment guys.
    Brady should be fined and suspended. I’ll leave the random number throwing to the Commish.

    If the report says Bill and Kraft didn’t know… so be it. Those 3 should be punished.

    And more than just some fines that Brady can cover… equipment guys (and any officials involved) should be working Arena football from now on… And Brady should sit out some games.

  54. pftlovestrolls says: May 6, 2015 5:04 PM

    Desean Jackson has more class than the patriots.

  55. gisellichek says: May 6, 2015 5:04 PM

    Brady Lied…To the world, The press, his parents , his wife, his children, his owner, and most importantly his coach… (BB must be pissed!!!)

    Fine em’ , suspend him, and let him think about how he let down all of his fans…

    Ya know… The Pats should cut him… talk about a firestorm of drama that could create… the networks would have to have the all Brady show on all the teams that would offer him everything… to suit up for them… Then all these hypocrites … who want him crucified and then publicly flogged would love him and call him champion.

    That would be awesome…!!!

  56. smasonsmith says: May 6, 2015 5:04 PM

    There’s a penalty already in the rules: a $25k fine.

  57. tomthebombtracy says: May 6, 2015 5:04 PM

    If those lackeys sold the items TB “gave them” and did not report the income they received, which could be substantial, hello IRS!

  58. ejmat2 says: May 6, 2015 5:05 PM

    weepingjebus says:
    May 6, 2015 5:03 PM

    Vikings caught on film ball tampering: warning
    Panthers caught on film ball tampering: warning
    Patriots “more probable than not” may have ball tampered without knowledge of coach or organization: 3 month Warren Commission investigation.

    Seems legit.
    —————————————-
    The only reason it was a 3 month investigation was because Goodell was doing all he could to stall it so they couldn’t take away draft picks.

  59. justintuckrule says: May 6, 2015 5:05 PM

    Kraft has no choice now but to cut Brady.

  60. upnorthvikesfan says: May 6, 2015 5:07 PM

    I hate the Patriots second only to the Packers. But “more probable than not” is not the same as “we have proof”. If you can’t prove how it was done, then there is still a chance that it could have been the cool damp air or something else. If you can’t prove it for sure, just say so and lets move on.

  61. DrinkingTheDeliciousTearsOfTheHaters says: May 6, 2015 5:08 PM

    16 PSI for the balls on that report that the equiptment reported? Way over League requirements. The Refs screwed up. The Refs and the League, specifically Kensil, set Tom and NE up.

    No doubt about it.

  62. haptrails says: May 6, 2015 5:08 PM

    Brady knew it was coming. Now we know why he didn’t go to the White get his picture taken with the Prez. Because that photo would be the big meme flying around tonight.

  63. zeedoubleyou says: May 6, 2015 5:08 PM

    Pin the tail on the guy who doesn’t know the difference between the words ‘probable’ and ‘possible’.

    We can all play… there’s plenty running around here!

  64. bencoates57 says: May 6, 2015 5:09 PM

    Everyone got away with cheating under Tagliabue. Goodell uses spygate to announce a new sheriff us in town. Now the Patriots are being used again to debut a new standard of evidence for punitive measures (as this article claims). I cry unfair.

  65. bunkmcnulty says: May 6, 2015 5:09 PM

    kennymooseandgoose says:
    May 6, 2015 4:44 PM
    It’s “probable” that La’el Collins was somehow involved in murder, so how many games will he be suspended next season? As long as we are using the “probable” yardstick, then it should be applied evenly across the board.

    _________________________

    People don’t understand much, I guess.

    Preponderance of evidence is Civil law suite standard. The best example of this was OJ. He was criminally found not guilty, but then was sued civilly and was found “liable” to the Brown and Goldman family for their deaths.

    Beyond a Reasonable doubt is a criminal liability standard. In theory, the judge or jurors should have no doubt of the defendant’s guilt or innocence.

    I think Florio covered this but some of you still don’t get it.

  66. oliveyang says: May 6, 2015 5:10 PM

    It’s more probable than not that most Superbowl wins have involved cheating one way or another – and with more significant advantage than the personal preference of football PSI.

  67. skawh says: May 6, 2015 5:10 PM

    It’s the technology that caught Tricky DICK president Nixon.

    It’s the technology that caught Pat’s TE Hernandez recently convicted of MURDER.

    It’s the technology that caught Pat’s QB Brady, who stood UP before cameras LYING TO THE WORLD, saying “I knew nothing.” NOW factual evidence shines sunlight onto Brady’s public protestations, and we find out, not only did Brady know everything, Brady lied about it, paid his fellow team employees in compensation to intentionally circumvent NFL rules, and after getting caught, Brady LIED.

    Nixon
    Hernandez
    Brady

    Liars

    Technology is always one step ahead of LIARS!

  68. twopaw513 says: May 6, 2015 5:10 PM

    As a Lion’s fan(not proud to say that), I don’t know why there was no reaction to Aaron Rodgers publicly stating he over inflates footballs and was brought up during a Nationally televised Sunday night game. I also believe Rodgers does this because refs do not pressure test every football and a NY Times report had evidence of this. Why does this not get mentioned or do things that don’t involve the Patriots get ignored by fans and the NFL?
    I wish Stafford did things to help him out since he could get away with it like Rodgers does.

  69. irishstout says: May 6, 2015 5:11 PM

    Again 0 or 1. It either happened or it didn’t. Using lower standards and saying that means it’s justice, doesn’t make it so.
    ___________________________________

    Actually, yes, that’s EXACTLY what it means. Any legal system, conflict resolution system, arbitration system or penalty system absolutely requires standards other than “0 or 1”. Even our criminal justice system, “beyond a reasonable doubt” isn’t 0 or 1; it simply means that all the other reasonable explanations don’t fit the evidence and the jury is as confident in the conviction as they would be about any extremely important decision in their own lives.

    Preponderance is also an appropriate standard in these contexts, whether in court or otherwise, because 50%+1 can be enough to act on in some situations (contracts, negligence, etc.)

    Believing that absolute without doubt establishment of objective 0 or 1 fact is the necessary standard for justice means there is no such thing as justice anywhere in any system on earth.

  70. denverdude7 says: May 6, 2015 5:11 PM

    Patri*ts BUSTED AGAIN !!!!!!!

    4TAINTEDRINGS

  71. rob471773 says: May 6, 2015 5:11 PM

    1-2 PSI is still not a big deal when it comes to any tangible impact on the game.

    But yes, Brady and the 2 equipment guys are guilty of breaking a very minor rule and need to be punished.

    2 game suspension sounds about right or maybe just a hefty fine.

  72. mjdkid100 says: May 6, 2015 5:12 PM

    jnasty5000akajungguns says: May 6, 2015 4:47 PM

    The telling part of the entire report(which 1% of you have read) is that the game balls came up missing prior to the game and the entire officiating crew was in a panic. Nobody from the Patriots should have been handling them at that point but McNully took them to the bathroom which makes absolutely no common sense whatsoever. Patriots got busted it’s just that simple. There was no conspiracy by the Colts which y’all have suggested for months now.

    ————

    Ive actually read the entire report, I bet you haven’t.

    Most important to me was the fact that at halftime there was natural deflation of the balls. In fact 3 of the 4 colts balls were ILLEGAL. Now the Pats balls were lower. They deserve to be punished but the notion that .5 psi – 1.0 psi is a year long suspendable offense and that players, coaches, and execution is the not the reason for their success is absolutely absurd. In fact the Pats outscored the Colts badly in the second half with balls inflated higher than the Colts. (as recorded by the refs in the report)

    $500K fine to the team.

    Brady gets 2-4 games for lying and asking the equipment managers to push the limits.

    People talking about asterisk and pulling trophies are way out of line.

  73. goingthextramile says: May 6, 2015 5:13 PM

    Tom Brady just threw Ted on a bed of deflated footballs.

  74. bgj47 says: May 6, 2015 5:13 PM

    I know you say it has legal meaning, but to the casual fan, “more probable than not” makes it seem like the investigation was done by a meteorologist.

  75. Norseman says: May 6, 2015 5:14 PM

    Shinnbone says:
    May 6, 2015 4:42 PM

    AND STILL SUPER BOWL 49 CHAMPIONS….THE NEW ENGLAND PATRIOTS!!!!!!

    —————-

    Not for long.

    Among the punishments for the Patriots should be vacating their Super Bowl and AFC Championship wins.

    Brady should serve a year suspension, along with Belichick.

    Kraft should face a heavy fine for not cooperating, and mandating all employees of the Patriots to fully cooperate. $10m sounds about right, along with a severe dressing down. If he was so sure of his argument, he could have mandated Brady turn over his phone to the investigators, and had every employee do everything asked of them by Wells and the investigation.

    Patriots should also be docked their 2016 1st round draft pick.

    It’s not like this is the Patriots first offense, or that is isn’t abundantly clear Brady has been having his footballs deflated for a long time.

  76. irishstout says: May 6, 2015 5:14 PM

    upnorthvikesfan says:
    May 6, 2015 5:07 PM
    I hate the Patriots second only to the Packers. But “more probable than not” is not the same as “we have proof”. If you can’t prove how it was done, then there is still a chance that it could have been the cool damp air or something else. If you can’t prove it for sure, just say so and lets move on.
    ___________________________________

    Yes, it actually IS the same as that within the meaning of the most commonly used civil evidentiary standard in the common law system of justice.

    If you are saying you also think how England and the U.S. have run civil law for centuries is wrong, fine, say that. If you don’t actually understand what’s being talked about, sit down before you fall down.

  77. davetrembley says: May 6, 2015 5:15 PM

    When does the Patriots damage control wagon roll out?

  78. 2manyconcussions says: May 6, 2015 5:16 PM

    All Brady has to do is release his cellphone records? Crickets???

  79. oliveyang says: May 6, 2015 5:16 PM

    dumbaseinstien says:
    May 6, 2015 5:01 PM
    For those that “don’t believe it affects the outcome of a game”, then why would Brady & the Patriots do it? Because it does affect the outcome of games by making the ball easier to throw, easier to catch & less likely to be fumbled. The whole Patriots offense benefited from this & who knows for how long. The text messages suggest it was happening for a long time. That means the teams entire Win/Loss record under Bradycheat & Belicheat is absolutely not accurate. They would have lost other games, the only question is how many.

    ————-
    Hey Einstein,

    Because of personal preference? Just like Rodgers likes his over inflated. And that fumbling stat has been thoroughly debunked.

  80. bainmethuen says: May 6, 2015 5:16 PM

    hmmm page 113 of the report says science predicted balls should have measued bewtween 11.32 and 11.52. at half time. 8 of the 11 balls did just that, and 1 other ball was close 11.2 So actually only 2 of 11 were way out. Report goes on to say Brady repeated has stated he likes 12.5.. even in pre-deflategate texts and comments.. Did the two other guys.. Bevis and Butthead let air out thinking it would make Tom happy.. maybe.. Did Tom tell them.. look guys, first steal balls from the refs then duck in the mens room and let some air out….. Really? Yeah, I am sure that is it..

  81. thetripledekes says: May 6, 2015 5:16 PM

    What I don’t understand is how people can compare the deflated footballs to Collins’ “involvement” in the murder. Air pressure in a football can hinder the ability to play football. Personal problems outside of the NFL have no impact on the game other than PR. Apples and Oranges.

  82. bleedsoe9mm says: May 6, 2015 5:17 PM

    It would be a very different league if “more probable than not” applied to steroids and marijuana drug suspensions . there is noway this is anything but a small fine .

  83. nenlain says: May 6, 2015 5:17 PM

    I’m waiting for your apology, Mr. Kraft.

  84. realnflfan2015 says: May 6, 2015 5:17 PM

    I just read the entire report. Pats fans should read it
    before any more comments.

  85. packmanfan says: May 6, 2015 5:17 PM

    The NFL needs to show that it has a zero tolerance for cheaters.
    Take back the trophy and don’t give them any rings and suspend them for a whole season.
    That will teach them and other teams that they shouldn’t cheat.

  86. b3nz0z says: May 6, 2015 5:18 PM

    TAWMMY is wicked innocent

  87. bencoates57 says: May 6, 2015 5:18 PM

    This could never faze a Patriots fan. We have each other. . We have the memories and the records. And we know that everyone is against us only because they’re fans of other teams. Plus the whole thing is circumstantial and more than offset by violations committed by other teams. No biggie.
    .

  88. johnodocks says: May 6, 2015 5:18 PM

    Those balls Brady signed for The Deflator just deflated in value.

  89. irishstout says: May 6, 2015 5:19 PM

    bgj47 says:
    May 6, 2015 5:13 PM
    I know you say it has legal meaning, but to the casual fan, “more probable than not” makes it seem like the investigation was done by a meteorologist.
    ________________________________

    Then the casual fan is exactly the unthinking neanderthal some folks like to portray them as.

  90. YanksBills says: May 6, 2015 5:19 PM

    Thanks, Obama.

  91. tomtravis76 says: May 6, 2015 5:21 PM

    It’s over with, the league needs to learn from their mistakes on this issue by making it now part of the opening broadcast letting the fans know that the balls were tested and what their PSI is going into the game, then afterwards the league releases information about the testing post game of the footballs. Everyone craves for information, so now this just become a part of an NFL game responsibility.

    Titles aren’t being taken away, it’s onto a new season. The Patriots organization looks to bend every rule in the book and it confuses everyone that they do, people want a straight up contest,but some people will do whatever it takes to win, no matter who gets hurt.

  92. buffalo75vette says: May 6, 2015 5:22 PM

    But the Patriots NEVER CHEAT. This should put an end to the Brady mystique

  93. joethesensasian says: May 6, 2015 5:26 PM

    Do I think that Tom Brady is involved? Yes. Do I care and think it tarnishes his legacy? No.

    If becoming a great quarterback was as simple as deflating some balls, there would be a lot more great quarterbacks in this league.

  94. jc327 says: May 6, 2015 5:27 PM

    “It sounds like Patriots personel were intermingling with officials.. and that Tom Brady was autographing things.. which could also have ended up in the hands of the officials…”

    I’m not a conspiracy theorist, but that is much more troubling than some inderinflated balls that had no real influence on a game’s outcome.

  95. smasonsmith says: May 6, 2015 5:27 PM

    I’ve yet to read the full report, but the accompanying technical study and statistical analysis is pretty thorough and interesting. They actually detected several errors in the NFL’s process and were able to work around them. There were apparently two gauges that did not match, and no one knew which gauge was used pregame. Both were used at halftime, but somewhat inconsistently by the two testers. I would have liked to have seen all the Colt’s balls measured at half time, and timing of the half-time measurements during the warm period, but that was the NFL’s procedural error – not the study authors’. The NFL shouldn’t have put those balls back into play. They should have been treated as evidence.

    Long story short: Walt Anderson gauged the balls before hand and didn’t write it down because there was no sting. The clubbie probably let about .5 PSI out of all the balls. Some were more. Some were less. The average of NWE balls was lower than they should have been accounting for temperature change, and the increased variability was probably introduced by the deflation procedure. Everyone should read the technical study.

  96. boomgrounder1 says: May 6, 2015 5:28 PM

    More probable than not is like saying, “We know he did it but he just won’t admit to it”.

  97. nmurray6783 says: May 6, 2015 5:28 PM

    Brady will get suspended 4 games. Jimmy Garapolo will come in, play well and lead them to a 3-1 record. Brady will come back and take over. Lead the Pats to another SuperBowl.

    Bill will trade Garapolo for a 2016 first round pick based on his 4 game stint and Patriot haters will be out talking about how Goodell only suspended Brady so that Bill could show how good Jimmy was and get another 1st round pick!

  98. longtimefanhtr says: May 6, 2015 5:30 PM

    TAWMMY is wicked innocent

    /////////////////////////////////////////

    You have to be from the NE area to understand that. LOL

  99. dukeearl says: May 6, 2015 5:31 PM

    Pete Rose caught gambling on baseball. Lifetime ban.
    Tom Brady caught lying and refusing to cooperate with the investigation, what will be the punishment?

  100. cowboy19 says: May 6, 2015 5:33 PM

    So with the Greg Hardy deal… The league was able to make 4 separate incidents out of 1… With all the texts will they make multiple incidents of cheating out of this one?! Probably not… We can’t do that to the Golden boy

  101. vipod4ever says: May 6, 2015 5:33 PM

    If the White Sox & USC can be stripped so can the Pats….of all 4 SBs!

  102. patsdrukker says: May 6, 2015 5:33 PM

    Patriots fan here.

    So the report said Brady cheated. (Don’t care about the wording) But the others don’t knew about it. Right?

    Fine him 500000 and give him 4-6 games. But do it as soon as you can.

    I guarantee you that BB and the team will take it as motivation and win those games.

  103. dumbaseinstien says: May 6, 2015 5:36 PM

    @oliveyang says: May 6, 2015 5:16 PM

    Because of personal preference? Just like Rodgers likes his over inflated. And that fumbling stat has been thoroughly debunked.
    __________________________________

    1) Rodgers preference of more inflated balls doesn’t have 1 bit of relevance to the discussion of the Patriots decision to alter the balls outside of the rules. He has stated he likes them more inflated, he didn’t state that he pays his personnel men to break the rules.
    2) Anyone who claims that deflated balls aren’t easier to hold on to needs to buy both a Nerf ball & a NFL ball, then have 4 friends strip it as they hold it as tightly as possible. 1000 out of 1000 times the NFL ball will come out first…because it deflates, resulting in being easier to hold onto. If you don’t understand that, then I doubt you have an IQ sufficient to pass a Physics class.

  104. whatjusthapped says: May 6, 2015 5:36 PM

    Did the Patriots cheat? Yes
    Did the infractions significantly alter the outcome? No

    Should the Patriots be punished? Yes.

    Now the question is how much, forget money, Kraft has plenty of that. Take away draft picks, suspend Brady, and order Kraft to apologize to the entire NFL.

    Let the kool aid drinkers argue the little points and gaze at the Lombardi trophy. The rest of us know better.

  105. smasonsmith says: May 6, 2015 5:37 PM

    The White Sox? Are you thinking of 1919?

    They lost. There was no title to strip.

  106. 12coltsfan12 says: May 6, 2015 5:37 PM

    Does ‘WORLD CHAMPS’ have any legal meaning?

    Does ‘PITIFUL JEALOUS LOSERS’ have any legal meaning?

    I’m jealous of the pats just like the rest of you losers! The Pats are too good to beat on the field so let’s find another way to ‘top’ them!

    LOL

  107. bubbybrister/shovelpass says: May 6, 2015 5:38 PM

    CHEATERS! *

  108. LoCoSu@%s says: May 6, 2015 5:39 PM

    Not a Patriots fan, but I seem to recall Brady and the Pats blowing out the Colts in the second half of the AFCCG.
    Call him what you like, but one of the greatest QBs of all time for sure.

  109. bksk07 says: May 6, 2015 5:40 PM

    Ah smasonsmith I just read all that.
    The issue with it is the two different gauges I thought.

    The balls did naturally deflate .5 though and the gusages had .5 difference.

    So Wells fond a .5 discrepancy possibly, because the ref forgot the gauge he used.

    So all these upset people over .5 psi at most, millions over dollars spent.

    pretty funny really

  110. zygizag says: May 6, 2015 5:41 PM

    Pats caught cheating AGAIN. Somethings never change.

    Watch the number of fumbles the Pats commit in the regular season go up this year. Fully inflated balls are easier to punch out.

  111. danisstillglorious13 says: May 6, 2015 5:41 PM

    The balls were handled every down. Of course they affected the outcome of games you mbcls

  112. tnsubiefan says: May 6, 2015 5:44 PM

    So we have “repeat offenders” as a players that get stiffer penalties when they scew up. The same should go for the teams. But let’s get real, it’s the patriots. Roger and Robert will just smooth it over at dinner.

  113. smuggs1 says: May 6, 2015 5:44 PM

    “It should be noted that Brady refused to give up his phone for evaluation, as did kicker Stephen Gostkowski.”

    In Greg Hardy’s 10 GAME SUSPENSION it was proclaimed by the NFL part of the reason for the length of 10 games was because of Hardy not being forthcoming…

    Well Rodger?

  114. redsghost says: May 6, 2015 5:48 PM

    tajuara says:
    May 6, 2015 5:00 PM

    The report clearly states that the balls were tested before the game, at halftime 11 out of 12 NE balls were deflated (page 66) and 4 Indy balls tested were within the range (page 67). The staff proceeded to inflate NE balls and retested them after the game and pressure was within range. So tell me again how are they not guilty?

    So, what you’re saying is that 11 Pat’s balls were deflated and 8 of the Indy balls were deflated? The staff inflated the 11 balls but not Indy’s? The difference between 11 and 8 is not that significant.

  115. kingpel says: May 6, 2015 5:49 PM

    So after 3 months, he has no idea. Thanks for nothing, pal.

  116. aquibtoleavedarrelleleaveus says: May 6, 2015 5:50 PM

    New England patsies =The Gold Standard of Cheaters

  117. purplepackerhater says: May 6, 2015 5:51 PM

    If Rodgers admitted to overinflating balls he should be life banned with Tommy.

  118. deneb1973 says: May 6, 2015 5:53 PM

    I disagree with the Profootballtalk assertion that the NFL would have kept extraneous information private if Mr. Brady surrendered his private cellphone ignores history. Drug tests, test scores at the Combine, etc. are all confidential. The only people who could deflate the balls surrendered their phones so any texts sent by Mr. Brady would have come to light anyway. The failure to surrender a personal cell phone to a “fishing expedition” and the media sieve that is the NFL is understandable.

  119. bubbybrister/shovelpass says: May 6, 2015 5:53 PM

    When do I get to trade in my New England ‘McNally’ jersey?

    Isn’t that how the Pats deal with everything?

  120. smasonsmith says: May 6, 2015 5:54 PM

    So, what you’re saying is that 11 Pat’s balls were deflated and 8 of the Indy balls were deflated? The staff inflated the 11 balls but not Indy’s? The difference between 11 and 8 is not that significant.
    ===
    No. They only tested four of IND’s balls at HT. NWE’s were tested first and IND’s were tested later. They ran out of time and only tested four IND balls.

    Because NWE’s balls were tested earlier in the HT test period, they would have been colder (Fig. 22, P 44 of Exponent Report).

  121. redsghost says: May 6, 2015 5:56 PM

    Looks like the Ex-NY Jets employee did his job again this year. First the HEAVY penalty against the Jet’s for tampering of $100,000.00 (hope that didn’t hurt the Billionaire too much), which worked btw considering Revis is now a Jet’s employee and now, Well’s (Goodell’s right hand man) deemed it was PROBABLE that yada yada yada. What were Pat’s fans thinking, we’d get justice?

  122. ejmat2 says: May 6, 2015 5:57 PM

    sdchicken says:
    May 6, 2015 4:53 PM

    Is it probable Dez did something bad in a wallmart parking lot?

    Who knows? Do we even know what he was accused of?

    Is it probable that La’el Collins was involved in murder?

    Not as far as I heard so far. Police have stated at least twice he is not a murder suspect.

    Is it probable that Rex Ryan just had lunch with no recruiting Collins?

    I highly doubt it but unless someone taped the conversation there is zero proof what-so-ever. Which is very different from the evidence provided to the officials..

    Is it probable Arron Rodgers over inflates footballs?

    Don’t know. Has it ever been looked into?

    How about we stick to proof with yes or no answers.

    There are not always “yes” or “no” answers. There is something called preponderance of the evidence and probable cause to believe. In this situation there is pretty good evidence there was something done as stated in the Wells report. I find it improbable that two equipment personnel got together and schematically planned getting someone in trouble with something that no one has ever been in trouble for prior.

    Quit with the witch hunts already.
    ——————————————–
    See my responses next to your statements.

  123. oreo51 says: May 6, 2015 5:57 PM

    This cannot be a slap on the wrist. The cost to NE should be 3 firsts and a second. Tom Brady should be out of football for a year.

  124. bobsnygiants says: May 6, 2015 6:03 PM

    what about Goodell, he should be punish all the mistake he made.

  125. smasonsmith says: May 6, 2015 6:05 PM

    This cannot be a slap on the wrist. The cost to NE should be 3 firsts and a second. Tom Brady should be out of football for a year.
    ===
    It’s going to be a slap on the wrist, because it’s a slap-on-the-wrist level offense. Anything like what you’ll suggesting would see actions brought against the league by the NFLPA and NEP as beyond the commissioner’s authority as stipulated by league by-laws. And the commissioner would lose.

  126. redsghost says: May 6, 2015 6:09 PM

    boomgrounder1 says:
    May 6, 2015 5:28 PM

    More probable than not is like saying, “We know he did it but he just won’t admit to it”.

    More probable than not is like saying, ” We think he did it, but we just don’t have the proof”.

  127. runningoutofboundsisforgringos says: May 6, 2015 6:11 PM

    Any competent prosecutor could take that overwhelming circumstantial evidence and get a jury to find proof beyond every reasonable doubt

  128. irishstout says: May 6, 2015 6:11 PM

    purplepackerhater says:
    May 6, 2015 5:51 PM
    If Rodgers admitted to overinflating balls he should be life banned with Tommy.
    ____________________________________

    You misunderstand how the rules work.

    Rule 2 governs the dimensions of the ball. Rule 2, section 2 says the home team supplies balls and provides them to the refs for testing. Section 1 says the ref is the sole judge of whether the balls conform to the rules, and the team must provide a pump so that corrections can be made.

    It doesn’t appear to be illegal to over or underinflate a ball at the time you present it to the refs. What is illegal, and what the Pats are going to be punished for, is altering the ball after the official has certified it or otherwise not making the balls available to the refs.

    So if Rodgers overinflates or Brady underinflates before the refs examine the ball, that’s not a violation because the refs can correct it. But if you change the ball after the ref has examined it, that’s cheating.

  129. gimmeabruschi says: May 6, 2015 6:11 PM

    Thanks for explaining that “more probable than not” actually means “more likely than not”.

    I was confused but can now see the clear difference.

  130. cliverush says: May 6, 2015 6:11 PM

    More probable than not, does not translate to without a reasonable doubt.

  131. pattyarbuccholz says: May 6, 2015 6:12 PM

    Eh. It’ll be a slap on the wrist. No big deal. It’s a Jaywalking crime.

  132. pattyarbuccholz says: May 6, 2015 6:13 PM

    And if they do punish Brady, oh man…………Angry Pats are not what the rest of the NFL wants to see.

  133. bullcharger says: May 6, 2015 6:15 PM

    cheeks9441 says:
    May 6, 2015 4:47 PM
    If you’re a Patriots fan and you claim the Wells Report is still lacking in evidence, you’re just embarrassing yourself at this point

    ……..

    It’s definitely a lot weaker thank let’s say a txt from Brady that clergy implicates him or a video of the actual deflation or an admission from anyone.

    A series of third hand texts that need to be interpreted aren’t as good.

  134. pattyarbuccholz says: May 6, 2015 6:15 PM

    You have to look at what the NFL handed out for Ray Farmer/Browns, the Falcons, and the Jets. He might get 1 game. Garoppolo will lead them to victory!

  135. notwhoyouthinkitis says: May 6, 2015 6:17 PM

    Tom Brady’s legacy —> “*”

  136. jfmod says: May 6, 2015 6:20 PM

    New England Black Sox

  137. Shinnbone says: May 6, 2015 6:24 PM

    PATS WIN PATS WIN PATS WIN!!!!!

    If you aint cheat-in you aint tryin.

    And still SB Champions….your NE PATRIOTS!

    seattle (small s) #2ndandgoal lmao

  138. longtimefanhtr says: May 6, 2015 6:27 PM

    Thanks for all the good you do Roger.

  139. killitandeatit says: May 6, 2015 6:30 PM

    1.Culture of cheating : Repeat cheats.
    2.Must cheat ,even when they blow out opposing team ,could be 28 point favorites = “We will cheat,can,t help it.”
    3. League had the goods on the Patriots but waited until after the draft to cover for Cheater Nation =patriots.
    4. Goodell was protected and defended by Kraft during last years three ring circus which was the N.F.L. front office. I think we have a little conflict of interest going on. I hope they throw the book at the Patriots .

  140. thetooloftools says: May 6, 2015 6:32 PM

    Good. Rip the Super Bowl from them. They cheated in the playoffs.

  141. redsghost says: May 6, 2015 6:34 PM

    smasonsmith says:
    May 6, 2015 5:54 PM

    So, what you’re saying is that 11 Pat’s balls were deflated and 8 of the Indy balls were deflated? The staff inflated the 11 balls but not Indy’s? The difference between 11 and 8 is not that significant.
    ===
    No. They only tested four of IND’s balls at HT. NWE’s were tested first and IND’s were tested later. They ran out of time and only tested four IND balls.

    Because NWE’s balls were tested earlier in the HT test period, they would have been colder (Fig. 22, P 44 of Exponent Report).

    So, a half hour halftime show was only enough time to check NE’s balls but only 4 of Indy’s? Talk about a lack of evidence. Being a justice type of person, I’d want ALL the evidence not just the evidence that MIGHT implicate the Patriots. How do we know that Indy’s balls were the same? Oh, that’s right, only check SOME of Indy’s but ALL of New England’s, that’s FAIR!!!

  142. tbisgod says: May 6, 2015 6:35 PM

    Tommy is my favorite player, but:
    He refused to turn over his phone and emails (the ONLY ONE investigated who refused to cooperate)
    He spoke for an hour to the 2 deflaters within 24 hours of the Indy game, then never again in the past 5 months
    He texted them to stay cool
    and he lied about his involvement
    Now he’s Nixon. What a sad day

  143. truths4all says: May 6, 2015 6:42 PM

    First thing first – it is clear attorneys are ruining everything, including, especially with Goodell and Wells, both jack attorneys.

    Now, Goodell has tried to prime the public to throw the cornerstone of American justice and fairness. No longer will you be innocent until they can prove you are guilty, under incompetent attorneys, Goodell and Wells, you are guilty if they think you are guilty because Giodell and Wells cannot prove any allegations.

    What is bad is supposedly fair Americans jump to convict a player and employees of guilt merely because they have blind hate for another sports team even when there is no evidence to be documented. Its the same as saying your girlfriend cheated on you when she didn’t, but you are sure she still did even though you have no evidence.

    Does anyone think the NFL Players Union and Brady’s own gunslinging lawyers won’t sue and win against the NFL?

  144. smasonsmith says: May 6, 2015 6:44 PM

    So, a half hour halftime show was only enough time to check NE’s balls but only 4 of Indy’s? Talk about a lack of evidence. Being a justice type of person, I’d want ALL the evidence not just the evidence that MIGHT implicate the Patriots. How do we know that Indy’s balls were the same? Oh, that’s right, only check SOME of Indy’s but ALL of New England’s, that’s FAIR!!!
    ===
    Halftime isn’t a half hour. It’s more like 15 minutes. Apparently, the balls were only in the locker room for thirteen and a half minutes.

    Your larger point, however, is very important. If we’re going to worry about legal standards like preponderance of the evidence or reasonable doubt, we need to realize that what we’re basically looking at is an indictment or plaintiff’s complaint. If GH goes off the deep end with his punishment, NFLPA and NWE will probably sue and have a chance to respond to this. I know Kraft said he would accept whatever GH and the league decide, but if GH goes nuts, I’d expect a fight.

  145. sfsaintsfan says: May 6, 2015 6:44 PM

    Footnote 1:

    Under the Policy, the “standard of proof required to find that a violation of the competitive rules has occurred”
    is a “Preponderance of the Evidence,” meaning that “as a whole, the fact sought to be proved is more probable
    than not.”

    This is the standard required to be followed by the investigation, which was conducted pursuant to the Policy on Integrity of the Game & Enforcement of Competitive Rules. That Policy provides that “[a]ctual or suspected competitive violations will be thoroughly and
    promptly investigated.

    The people who wrote this report did not make anything up, they followed established NFL Rules and these are their findings. Basically, the Patriots cheated, Tom Brady knew about it, was an active participant, lied about it and failed to cooperate with the investigation. He should be suspended for a year without pay.

  146. jf203 says: May 6, 2015 6:51 PM

    pattyarbuccholz says:
    May 6, 2015 6:15 PM
    You have to look at what the NFL handed out for Ray Farmer/Browns, the Falcons, and the Jets. He might get 1 game. Garoppolo will lead them to victory!

    THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT THE JETS DID OR DIDNT..when something happens that ACTUALLY AFFECTS a LIVE FOOTBALL GAME..it has a lot more merit that a few misplaced words form a clueless owner….

  147. jf203 says: May 6, 2015 6:52 PM

    He should get AT LEAST 8 games….

  148. jf203 says: May 6, 2015 6:53 PM

    Kraft, Belichick, Brady, PAT fans are clueless scumbags…oh and throw in RODNEY HARRISON and HEATH EVANS

  149. bohste says: May 6, 2015 6:55 PM

    Wouldn’t surprise me if Bill Belichick ordered photographs of the equipment staff practicing deflating the footballs. I was tipped off by Eric Mangini.

  150. tigerlilac says: May 6, 2015 6:55 PM

    The one fact that no one seems to care about: if the NFL wanted the footballs to be consistent they would have both teams use the same ball and have an official control the balls. Why didn’t they?

    On more fact: Brady wins with whatever ball given to him.

  151. metlifeteardown says: May 6, 2015 6:55 PM

    I think the Jets owe the pats a #2 in next years draft over this.

  152. Wainwright says: May 6, 2015 6:56 PM

    More probable than not has a significant meaning in philosophy too (I’m a philosophy professor): it means that you should believe it.

    So if a premise in an argument is more probable than not, it should be accepted. And if it’s more probable than not that the Pats cheated, you should accept that too.

    See, philosophy isn’t useless!

  153. daytontriangles says: May 6, 2015 6:58 PM

    So, just a friendly reminder. According to the NFL rules already in place, the penalty for tampering with a ball is $25,000. At worst, that’s 300k in fines if you want to count each of the 12 game balls as a separate fine.

    That’s it. No suspensions. No draft picks.

    Unless, of course, Goodell doesn’t actually believe in the integrity of the game and intends to ignore his own rule book and make up some stiffer fines out of thin air to appease the haters.

  154. tigerlilac says: May 6, 2015 7:00 PM

    If the NFL cares about integrity, why is this report being released in leaks similar to the initial story.

  155. backindasaddle says: May 6, 2015 7:06 PM

    This is all a big bag of nothing. Absolute silliness that this was allowed to be blown up into such a circus.
    But on another note I will say this: Whenever I hear ‘lawyer-speak’…I feel an immediate urge to take a shower.

  156. tb12bestqbevah says: May 6, 2015 7:09 PM

    LOL at all the Brady haters. Unless you’re a Green Bay fan, every single one of you would trade your QB in a heartbeat to have Brady under center for your team next season.

    Speaking of denial, try denying that.

  157. aikman2284 says: May 6, 2015 7:10 PM

    History Books
    *Tuck Rule Championship included no cheating

  158. jnasty5000akajungguns says: May 6, 2015 7:13 PM

    Using the word “hater” makes you look like an uneducated, ignorant fool.

  159. luther6 says: May 6, 2015 7:13 PM

    The next question, of course, is what will happen to McNally and Jastremski (the Boston equivalent of Rosencrantz and Guildenstern). Will the Patriots fire or suspend or discipline them? Have the Patriots conducted an internal investigation? Is Belichick going to discipline Brady? If these two aren’t fired, does that suggest a quid pro quo (i.e. silence for employment)?

    The more important question is what effect this had on the Patriots’ lower fumble rates in recent years. That’s deeply troubling.

    The NFL wants this to go away almost as much as the Patriots do. The integrity of the game has been fundamentally undermined.

  160. redsghost says: May 6, 2015 7:14 PM

    Why was the Jet’s punishment given out just prior to the draft, but this “report” was released during the heyday of summer? Timing! Embarrass Kraft, protect the Jet’s (as any Jet’s ex-employee would do).
    Also, more Probable than not equates to 51% vs 49%

  161. michaele11111 says: May 6, 2015 7:15 PM

    Over the last decade nothing but integrity issues coming from the Patriots. A constant flow of issues where they clearly have compromised the integrity of competition.

    They are the Bonds and ARod of football.

  162. redsghost says: May 6, 2015 7:16 PM

    jnasty5000akajungguns says:
    May 6, 2015 7:13 PM

    Using the word “hater” makes you look like an uneducated, ignorant fool.

    =====
    But, an uneducated, ignorant and CORRECT fool as well.

  163. dragonhawke3 says: May 6, 2015 7:19 PM

    Maybe someone intelligent (obviously not anyone in the media) might ask this question… Why doesn’t Exponent explain why Blakeman’s gauge tested the Patriots balls at a lower PSI than Prileau’s gauge on ALL 11 balls, but strangely tested the Colts balls at a higher PSI than Prileau’s gauge? Doesn’t seem likely that a gauge testing balls at a lower level PSI suddenly changes to testing the balls at a higher PSI just because the balls belong to a different team does it? Sounds to me like none of the air pressures can be confirmed when the gauges seem to change how they work depending on which team the balls belong to.

    Just because something is probable, does NOT mean that the probability is reality. I’m not hearing a definitive “YES the Patriots deflated the balls”. This obviously means that while there are suspicions, there is no proof. Suspicion does NOT equal guilt no matter how much the haters want it to mean just that.

    Hey haters, hows about a nice big steaming cup of shut the F up.

  164. tb12bestqbevah says: May 6, 2015 7:25 PM

    “More probable than not” that someone may have been “generally aware” is not grounds for a fine, let alone a suspension.

    If Goodell tries to suspend Brady on this flimsy of a standard he’ll set relations with the players back decades.

  165. TheWizard says: May 6, 2015 7:26 PM

    Still sounds like “no evidence” to me.

  166. 46namredyps11 says: May 6, 2015 7:33 PM

    The worst part of it is they outscored their opposition 56-24 in the last six quarters they played all with regular footballs. Still not enough in the report for me to get my pitchfork out.

  167. tds968 says: May 6, 2015 7:33 PM

    Don’t need to hear anymore than:

    In investigating Brady, Wells said he was hindered by the quarterback’s refusal to provide his own emails, texts or phone records.

  168. luther6 says: May 6, 2015 7:40 PM

    The “beyond a reasonable doubt” standard is used here, in large part, because testimony and evidence may not be elicited by legal compulsion in this investigation. If this were a criminal action, brought by a government against a person, a witness could be compelled to offer evidence; the only grounds for withholding would be the right not to self-incriminate. The NFL has no more authority to compel testimony than it has to arrest a private citizen. Thus Tom Brady can refuse to turn over his cell phone (evidence), just as the Patriots can refuse to give Wells access to McNally and Jastremski for subsequent questioning. Only the NFL is in a position to discipline the Patriots (though, in theory, the Patriots could discipline Brady). So the lower standard of proof (more likely than not/preponderance of the evidence) is appropriate here, since the means of acquiring testimony and evidence is akin to that of a civil, rather than criminal, action. This legal standard essentially means “preponderance of the evidence” — and that, quite frankly, is sufficient here.

  169. jfd23 says: May 6, 2015 7:41 PM

    Goodell should give him a 6 month suspension starting tomorrow, no OTAs, no training camp, no practices and no games until November 7.

  170. basilmarinerchase says: May 6, 2015 7:42 PM

    And the Colts footballs were found to be underinflated.

    And dozens of retired QBs say they got away with this as often as possible.

    And Aaron Rodgers said a few years ago in an interview that he tries to circumvent these rules.

    And the rulebook states punishment for this sort of thing is a fine.

    Yet we’ll get fined, lose a draft pick, and maybe even see a suspension. If we were the Falcons and hadn’t won jack, there’d be a slap on the wrist, like happened with Atlanta’s crowd noise violation – which has a far more apparent effect on the game. So whatever. Swing away, Goodell.

  171. skawh says: May 6, 2015 7:44 PM

    Pat’s fans for the past 4 months here every bleepin’ day trying to make Indy a scapegoat for their own teams choice to CHEAT. Now we have the cold hard FACTS.

    The Paint’s forever now confirmed as a CHEATING FRANCHISE! Give the entire Paint’s team a year long suspension!

  172. ampatsisahypocrite says: May 6, 2015 7:45 PM

    I can’t believe all these clueless Pats’ fans trying to be all defiant here and put it in OUR faces. Hey, you got caught cheating. What else is new?

  173. mungman69 says: May 6, 2015 7:47 PM

    Nothing is needed by Goodel, including a correct response. This verbiage and its’ like are one of the MAJOR issues with the NFL. It seems that many rules are no more than thin tissue paper and can be changed at the Commissioner’s whim.
    THIS WHOLE PRODUCT IS A JOKE.

  174. mungman69 says: May 6, 2015 7:47 PM

    THIS IS NO MORE THAN A SHAM.

  175. mungman69 says: May 6, 2015 7:48 PM

    Wells thinks that they MAY have cheated.

  176. mungman69 says: May 6, 2015 7:49 PM

    Throw the science out the window cause we don’t like the Patriots.

  177. armchairqb says: May 6, 2015 7:58 PM

    Slap on the wrist coming. Nothing more.

    They won’t punish the Super Bowl champs and you know it.

  178. pftdeletesallcommentsbecausetheyrebabies says: May 6, 2015 7:59 PM

    Some of these comments are hilarious.

    Do you guys have time for anything else in your lives or does your all-encompassing hate of the Patriots completely consume you?

    Get a grip!

  179. ly008 says: May 6, 2015 8:01 PM

    Page 198-99 of the report (page 39 Table 10 of the Exponent report). Am I reading this right that they agree that the expected drop in pressure from 70 degrees to 48 is 1.13 for a ball filled to 12.5.

    and on page 7 of their report, Table 4, the average measured drops at halftime between the two testing officials was 1.39 and 1.01.

    So, basically, the numbers were what should have been expected?

  180. beachsidejames says: May 6, 2015 8:02 PM

    Tom Shady……

  181. the610limited says: May 6, 2015 8:03 PM

    We don’t see much of a fire around Foxborough, but we keep seeing smoke. Why is that?

  182. beachsidejames says: May 6, 2015 8:05 PM

    Cheater….

  183. beachsidejames says: May 6, 2015 8:07 PM

    NFL must not allow cheaters on the field.

  184. smasonsmith says: May 6, 2015 8:09 PM

    Why doesn’t Exponent explain why Blakeman’s gauge tested the Patriots balls at a lower PSI than Prileau’s gauge on ALL 11 balls, but strangely tested the Colts balls at a higher PSI than Prileau’s gauge?
    ==
    They covered that. Apparently the NFL officials who were measuring inadvertently switched gauges between testing the NWE balls and the IND balls. They then swtiched back and then back again before and after the third ball.

    Look for the discussion in the technical report of the “logo” and “non-logo” gauges.

  185. beachsidejames says: May 6, 2015 8:09 PM

    Too many honest players deserve better protection from the league.

  186. beachsidejames says: May 6, 2015 8:11 PM

    Can’t allow Tom Brady’s cheating to go unpunished.

  187. smasonsmith says: May 6, 2015 8:11 PM

    Don’t need to hear anymore than:

    In investigating Brady, Wells said he was hindered by the quarterback’s refusal to provide his own emails, texts or phone records.

    ===
    Don’t ever talk to someone who’s investigating you without counsel.

  188. coloradical420 says: May 6, 2015 8:13 PM

    Using the word “hater” makes you look like an uneducated, ignorant fool.

    My sentiments exactly!!! Well said.

  189. beachsidejames says: May 6, 2015 8:14 PM

    Tom Brady knowing cheated and disgraced the NFL brand, it’s owners and players.

  190. varangia says: May 6, 2015 8:14 PM

    They should spot the Colts 14 points for the deflated footballs. Okay, what’s the score now?

  191. beachsidejames says: May 6, 2015 8:14 PM

    Repeat offenders….

  192. varangia says: May 6, 2015 8:17 PM

    ampatsisahypocrite says:
    May 6, 2015 7:45 PM
    I can’t believe all these clueless Pats’ fans trying to be all defiant here and put it in OUR faces. Hey, you got caught cheating. What else is new?

    _____________________________

    “more probable than not” is not being caught cheating; it’s nothing more than a guess

  193. smasonsmith says: May 6, 2015 8:20 PM

    Page 198-99 of the report (page 39 Table 10 of the Exponent report). Am I reading this right that they agree that the expected drop in pressure from 70 degrees to 48 is 1.13 for a ball filled to 12.5.

    and on page 7 of their report, Table 4, the average measured drops at halftime between the two testing officials was 1.39 and 1.01.

    So, basically, the numbers were what should have been expected?
    ===
    Not quite. The balls would have warmed back up after being brought inside. Unless the balls were tested immediately, they would be a bit warmer than 48F, thus they wouldn’t have been all the way down at the pressure they were when they were outside. This is where data on the timing of the NFL’s testing would have been useful.

    Secondly, there’s no reason that they should be below the theoretical minimum unless the mis-calibrated gauge was used for pregame checks. The report, however, seems to believe that the properly calibrated gauge was used pregame.

    Thirdly, there’s no reason that NWE’s balls should be as widely scattered in their pressure. If you look at Appendix 2, however, you see that kind of pressure distribution observed in NWE’s balls looks similar to the pressure distribution observed in the experiment.

  194. tomtravis76 says: May 6, 2015 8:20 PM

    Is there an age requirement for this site? Reading all of the comments I am beginning to think I just need to burn my computer as I have been on a site with a bunch of middle school kids by mistake this entire time.

    This is just a sport, the league, team’s, players, coaches don’t care what fans say or think, it’s only will your credit card process or do you have enough cash to pay for our stuff.

    This all falls on the league and the league office not being held accountable. The league needs to spend more money and hire more people if they want their rules followed. This is a multi-billion dollar industry, the more you win the richer everyone becomes. People will test those rules everyday, it’s the league’s fault for not being on top of this every game in every stadium. Bet they couldn’t produce the required PSI testing for the past 3 seasons.

  195. varangia says: May 6, 2015 8:21 PM

    tds968 says:
    May 6, 2015 7:33 PM
    Don’t need to hear anymore than:

    In investigating Brady, Wells said he was hindered by the quarterback’s refusal to provide his own emails, texts or phone records.

    _______________________________

    So they can be leaked to the tabloids? He did the right thing. He has to rigorously guard his privacy.

  196. redsolocupdude says: May 6, 2015 8:22 PM

    For clarity I am a PATRIOTS fan and nothing in this sham “investigation” will ever change that or take away any of our Lombardi’s.

    Deflated balls had NOTHING to do with the beatdown of the Colts or the incredible comeback win in the super bowl.

    The Ravens coaching staff doesn’t even know the rulebook…..

    Get a life….. move on

  197. smasonsmith says: May 6, 2015 8:23 PM

    I can’t believe all these clueless Pats’ fans trying to be all defiant here and put it in OUR faces. Hey, you got caught cheating. What else is new?
    ===
    NWE’s Lombardi.

    (You walked into that one, dude.)

  198. honeybadger14 says: May 6, 2015 8:26 PM

    I like to imagine Garapollo walking home tonight, whistling and then throwing a needle down a sewer grate. Plot Twist!

  199. TebowedOutOfThePostSeasonAndNeverToReturn says: May 6, 2015 8:26 PM

    Maybe these guys gotta study the rule book and figure it out.

  200. joker65 says: May 6, 2015 8:28 PM

    Happy haters. Now you have the excuse for why your team sucks year in year out. “Why, we weren’t really that bad after all! It was the Patriots cheating! Thats why my team went 6-10 every year!” (Looking at you Bills fan)

    Too bad the Super Bowl Champs didn’t deflate any balls in that game and still won. Too bad the Pats destroyed the Colts AFTER halftime.

    Pats will be pissed and motivated in 2015. Watch out league.

  201. skawh says: May 6, 2015 8:40 PM

    “more probable than not” is not being caught cheating; it’s nothing more than a guess
    ———
    What part of Brady not cooperating with the Wells investigation, and not providing his cell phone records do you not understand?

    Biased fanboy much? Your organization and golden boy is forever now known as a ‘cheater’….deal with it!

  202. honeybadger14 says: May 6, 2015 8:45 PM

    Pats won’t be pissed and motivated they’ll be embarrased and ashamed their leaders lied to them and cheated.

  203. skawh says: May 6, 2015 8:51 PM

    “Tommy is my favorite player, but:
    He refused to turn over his phone and emails (the ONLY ONE investigated who refused to cooperate)
    He spoke for an hour to the 2 deflaters within 24 hours of the Indy game, then never again in the past 5 months
    He texted them to stay cool
    and he lied about his involvement
    Now he’s Nixon. What a sad day”
    ———
    Yes, but you left out the part where just like NIXON, Tom Brady went on national TV declaring to the nation and the world: I’m not a crook

    Who can ever believe a single word coming out of Tom Brady’s mouth ever again?

  204. voiceofreason01 says: May 6, 2015 8:59 PM

    To brainwashed NE worshippers: keep digging your grave & we’ll keep throwing dirt on you.

    NE patriots are so despicable they have stained the word patriot. MLB cheaters don’t make HOF & neither should bradycheat.

  205. tigerlilac says: May 6, 2015 9:00 PM

    Pardon me, Wells does state in a footnote: “We were not asked by the NFL to investigate the potential competitive impact of the deflation of Patriots game balls and, therefore, do not make any findings or reach any conclusions on that issue. Nevertheless, we note that Brady‟s performance in the second half of the AFC Championship Game—after the Patriots game balls were re-inflated—improved as compared to his performance in the first half. Specifically, in the first half, he completed 11 of 21 passes for 95 yards and one touchdown, and in the second half, he completed 12 of 14 passes for 131 yards and two touchdowns.”

    However, they gave those facts no importance in their findings because they were told not to by the NFL.

  206. skawh says: May 6, 2015 9:06 PM

    “It’s more probable than not that most Superbowl wins have involved cheating one way or another – and with more significant advantage than the personal preference of football PSI.”
    ——-
    Perhaps. But it’s without a single doubt that we now know a team advanced through an NFL playoff and into the SB AFTER it’s known they CHEATED.

    That’s now known fact, and not probable.

  207. tigerlilac says: May 6, 2015 9:08 PM

    Nor does the report’s statement that “McNally‟s knowledge that Brady prefers footballs inflated at the low end of the permissible range and his express request that the referee set the balls at a 12.5 psi level” carry any eight with Wells that Brady asked that the balls be properly filled to the minimum weight.

    Alas, the report is a one-sided presentation, not an unbiased, independent investigation.

  208. rainsarge says: May 6, 2015 9:09 PM

    The balls were under inflated and it did give Brady a slight competitive edge. If you ain’t cheat’n you ain’t tryin’ and it’s only cheating if you get caught.

    Brady should get suspended 1 game and fined 50,000. Plausible deniability isn’t going to save you.

    I’m a Brady fan since his days at Michigan, still think hes the best ever.

  209. swagger52 says: May 6, 2015 9:27 PM

    Brady and Bellichek cheat to win. What is there that we don’t already know. If OJ Simpson was a Patriot, they would be denying as well if they won a Super Bowl.

  210. phildrummond99 says: May 6, 2015 9:31 PM

    Turn the page. Every player, every team looks for an edge in sports. The fact that this is front page news with a 3 month long investigation is hilarious & complete overkill. Fine him or suspend him for a game, whatever.. Just stop crying over it.

    Still Brady Fan
    Still Belichek Fan
    Still Pats Fan
    Still Ballboys Fan

    Be well,

    Vikes Fan

  211. patsasteriskforever says: May 6, 2015 9:36 PM

    Patsies* know how to hide evidence. Why does that shock anyone lol

  212. lordrahl121281 says: May 6, 2015 9:55 PM

    Unchained81 says:
    May 6, 2015 5:01 PM
    I have never seen such a ridiculous witch hunt in my life. This story is obnoxious. I don’t even like the Pats but watching the outrage over a psi of air pressure is downright embarrassing.

    The only embarrassing thing is your inability to face facts.

  213. upnorthvikesfan says: May 6, 2015 10:05 PM

    irishstout wrote:

    irishstout says:
    May 6, 2015 5:14 PM

    upnorthvikesfan says:
    May 6, 2015 5:07 PM
    I hate the Patriots second only to the Packers. But “more probable than not” is not the same as “we have proof”. If you can’t prove how it was done, then there is still a chance that it could have been the cool damp air or something else. If you can’t prove it for sure, just say so and lets move on.
    ___________________________________

    Yes, it actually IS the same as that within the meaning of the most commonly used civil evidentiary standard in the common law system of justice.

    If you are saying you also think how England and the U.S. have run civil law for centuries is wrong, fine, say that. If you don’t actually understand what’s being talked about, sit down before you fall down.

    —————————————————————

    Problem is, this is the NFL, not a court of law! If a ref doesn’t see an infraction even if all the fans do, it doesn’t get called. Same thing here. Sure something probably happened. But if you can’t prove it, then you can’t call foul!

  214. swagger52 says: May 6, 2015 10:12 PM

    Ray Lewis was WRONG!

    Ray said nobody would know Tom Brady without the tuck rule.

    Ray was wrong. He should have said nobody would know Tom Brady without …ahhh..I don’t think I am a cheater. I don’t even know those ball boys, even though I just spent an hour on the phone with them getting the story straight.

  215. hodag54501 says: May 6, 2015 10:14 PM

    Keep in mind Goodell is hired by the owners, so don’t expect proper punishment to come New England’s way.
    But lets not forget this is the same franchise caught red handed video taping other teams.
    So cheating apparently is a way of life for the Patriots.

    If the Commish was not beholden to the owners, this should be the team’s punishment: since this is the NEXT serious offense, you FORFEIT THE SUPER BOWL VICTORY, since it’s possible you cheated to get there.
    Second, you will FORFEIT eight games in the 2015 season, and Tom Brady is suspended for the season.

    Think that might change the culture?

  216. swagger52 says: May 6, 2015 10:14 PM

    They don’t allow videos in the bath room, which is where the deflating occurred for many years.

    Brady tampered with the incriminating witnesses. Patriots blocked attempts to interview them.

    There is enough evidence.

  217. overratedselfpromoter says: May 6, 2015 10:23 PM

    Packers cheat more than any team. Just look at how they got into the playoffs last year. Easiest schedule in the division AGAIN and for the last 4 years. And they cheat their fans too but they dont realize it. NFL OWNERS LOL

  218. buffalo75vette says: May 6, 2015 10:29 PM

    joethesensasian says:
    May 6, 2015 5:26 PM
    Do I think that Tom Brady is involved? Yes. Do I care and think it tarnishes his legacy? No.

    If becoming a great quarterback was as simple as deflating some balls, there would be a lot more great quarterbacks in this league.

    ————————————————————–

    Bottom line..Brady broke the rules..He’s a CHEATER..

  219. Packernet says: May 6, 2015 10:32 PM

    So does “non-lawyers” mean fans? What is that supposed to mean exactly? You’re better than me?

  220. redsolocupdude says: May 6, 2015 10:35 PM

    I am a Pats fan and nothing in this “investigation” will ever change that or take away any of our trophies.

    Deflated balls had nothing to do with the beatdown of the Colts or the incredible comeback win in the super bowl.

    The Ravens coaching staff can’t think fast enough at real game, speed …..

    Move on

  221. mattcro0172 says: May 6, 2015 10:38 PM

    Brady had a much better 2nd half with the proper PSI. My point is that it’s a preference thing and it doesn’t really matter. Colts had 3 of 4 under too.

  222. thundersnacker says: May 6, 2015 10:48 PM

    Roger Goodell is more probable than not… a buffoon.

    The rulebook says that this is a fine starting at 25k. That’s a minor offense. If Goodell wants to rewrite the rulebook,, he should do so BEFORE the pats do something other teams and QB’s do. Keep up the double standards guys!

  223. kissmysandwich says: May 6, 2015 10:52 PM

    The only point I’m taking from this whole mess is, once again, the NFL has failed miserably. I could care less about the air pressure in a football and I really think it means absolutely nothing in regards to “cheating”. That being said, the NFL apparently thinks this is a big deal so why in the hell are they checking the balls hours before game time? Check the balls right before the game. It’s not difficult. #fail

  224. realitycheckbaby says: May 6, 2015 11:09 PM

    There are different opinions as to the impact but it takes a real deaf, dumb, blind and obtuse dullard to still pretend Brady and the entire Pats organization aren’t cheaters.

    Anything accomplished since Belicheat took over has a huge series of ***** and Shady Brady and Belicheat are no longer in contention for GOAT any more than Lance Armstrong or Barry Bonds are.

    FACT

    Hard to explain cheating when caught. Impossible to explain a pattern of cheating and being caught multiple times over an extended period of time.

  225. tonebones says: May 6, 2015 11:26 PM

    Tom Brady was still a great player before he cheated. It’s just like Barry Bonds and Roger Clemons. Those guys were first ballot HOFers anyway. Brady is still a HOFer, but this will take him down a notch. Most HOF QBs are the big bread winners in their household. Tom probably thought he needed a little extra boost to keep pace with his wife.

  226. mikemj says: May 6, 2015 11:47 PM

    I thought the rule book clearly states that this transgression results in a specific fine. So why all the speculation about punishment?

  227. mikemj says: May 6, 2015 11:50 PM

    I’m not a Pats fan but if they deserve an asterisk, then that means Willis Reed is no longer a hero and the showtime Lakers and Magic Johnson are cheaters as well.

    The guy who said this is a jaywalking offense in right on.

  228. bears5683 says: May 7, 2015 12:46 AM

    Will Brady join Rose and Bonds as Greatest non HOFers.

  229. oreo51 says: May 7, 2015 1:05 AM

    “So cheating apparently is a way of life for the Patriots.”

    Indeed it is! They even call it The Patriot Way!

  230. ardrick says: May 7, 2015 3:38 AM

    cheaters r gonna cheat. that’s what cheaters do. spygate and now deflategate. Belichek isn’t a great coach he’s a great cheater

  231. gavinmac says: May 7, 2015 4:57 AM

    Are these two equipment dudes still employed by the Pats? Shouldn’t they be fired? But if they are fired will they rat out Brady?

  232. steeloven89 says: May 7, 2015 6:33 AM

    how about the fact that Brady has REPEATEDLY lied to the media about deflating the footballs?

  233. pleasestopthesnow says: May 7, 2015 6:34 AM

    He either did it or he didnt. I would say without a doubt based on the texts, that he ordered the deflation. That said, his performance against the Colts in the 2nd half and in the Super Bowl to me, suggests that the balls being slighty deflated has ZERO impact on performance.

    And the testing of Blakeman and other guys gauges seem to be flawed or the procedures they used were flawed. Thats on them for not doing their jobs competently.

    And Wells is a moron. More probable than not, and generally aware is code for we are pretty sure he did it, but because the NFL screwed up as usual, we cant prove for sure. If you cant make definitive statements, then your “investigation” is a joke.

  234. silasw33 says: May 7, 2015 6:36 AM

    OK haters here we go. Based on your thought processes. You are driving down the highway passing cars. One car decides to get your plate number and call the police to tell them you are speeding. A few miles down the road a cop pulls you over. Based upon the haters thought processes you should at the very least expect a ticket (fine) for your infraction or have your car impounded (super bowl vacated). NO NO NO NO. The cop cannot pull you over because you were “probably” speeding because someone told him you were. Are you kidding me? If this actual scenario happened to you, you would lose your mind and hire an attorney to have it all thrown out of court. The same holds true in this situation. There is no proof. They cannot be punished!!!!!

  235. beachsidejames says: May 7, 2015 6:42 AM

    Tom Shady….simply put….A Cheater!

  236. beachsidejames says: May 7, 2015 6:44 AM

    Everyone knows Tom Brady now as “The Cheater”…

  237. beachsidejames says: May 7, 2015 6:45 AM

    Repeat cheaters…..

  238. cbass59 says: May 7, 2015 7:35 AM

    Cheaters:

    Pete Rose
    Lance Armstrong
    Barry Bonds
    Alex Rodriguez
    Tom Brady
    Bill Bilicheat

  239. bunjy96 says: May 7, 2015 10:55 AM

    This whole thing is a joke.

  240. jacksprat57 says: May 8, 2015 1:37 AM

    All well and good, but it ignores an important distinction between a court of law and this report, which is that courts of law employ (hopefully) impartial triers of fact. These investigators are deep into the NFL’s piggy banks; although they’re not likely to be quite so corrupt as Mr. Freeh would seem to have proven to be, it’s fair to say that they’re compromised. This is the usual Goodell dog-and-pony show; he’ll come to the conclusion which he preordained. Later, no doubt, his decision will be overturned. Especially inasmuch as rumor has it that he’ll suspend Brady, when the specifically ascribed punishment for the offense is a $25,000 fine.

  241. jacksprat57 says: May 8, 2015 1:46 AM

    As for Goodell’s proposal, carried out in the wake of his 2008 declaration on the subject, he has indeed changed “the standard of proof…to make it easier that a competitive violation () be established.” As his behavior has evidenced, repeatedly, His Holiness prefers to act Ex Cathedra.

  242. arcboundworker says: May 8, 2015 11:34 AM

    For everyone smugly going “Where’s the proof? There is none” and patting themselves on the back, remember this: there was no proof that Aaron Hernandez was the person who committed that murder. There is evidence that he was there with others, yes, but as far as “Who pulled the trigger?” goes, there is nothing definitive. By the way yall are talking that means he shouldn’t be in jail for murder.

  243. pete2211 says: May 8, 2015 5:26 PM

    I love how every time there is an investigation of the Patriots that only “some” evidence is revealed just like in spygate when a US Senator wanted to see the evidence and Goodell told him he destroyed it and of course the senator said “who does that, who destroys evidence!”

    Destroying evidence means getting rid of evidence so it does not implicate the guilty person otherwise you have no reason to destroy it but file it in closed files. Just how big of an operation was spygate that evidence could not be looked at by a Senator.

    Brady says that there was no deflation of footballs in the SB. Of course not–it was public by that time but the sad fact remains that they should not have been in the SB at all. What is even sadder is that if you cheat one way then you cannot be trusted that your not cheating another way.

    But what about other players careers and SB’s who did not cheat and were good enough to win but was up against cheaters and lost.

  244. jcooper17 says: May 9, 2015 10:50 AM

    I think one of the more interesting aspects, totally being ignored is the medias response here. Prior to any wells report, the media reported that evidence was not required to call Brady a cheater, since well, it isn’t a court of law. Now that the report has come out, all the media relates this to, is the court of law, and how the wording is meaningful cause its meaningful in the court of law. And how since Brady didn’t provide his phone, becuase in a court of law he would be required to do this things. I mean if thats not a double standard, I don’t know what is.

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