Patriots suspended Jastremski, McNally at request of NFL

On the surface, the news from Adam Schefter of ESPN that the Patriots suspended John Jastremski and Jim McNally because the NFL requested the discipline makes plenty of sense. At a deeper level, the timing is curious — and it possibly becomes the first tangible evidence that winter is ending.

With the Patriots previously tight lipped on the topic of why they suspended their in-house equivalents of Beavis and Butthead, it’s fair to surmise that the news of the real reason for their suspension without pay was leaked to Schefter by the league. If so, it’s the first time throughout this saga that the league has leaked something that was favorable to the Patriots.

It started with someone from the league leaking to Chris Mortensen of ESPN the blatantly false news that 11 of the 12 Patriots footballs were a full two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum at halftime of the AFC title game. That set the narrative of presumed tampering, and the league never corrected the misinformation until the Ted Wells report disclosed for the first time 13 days ago actual numbers that revealed: (1) dramatically conflicting pressure gauges; and (2) a set of readings that falls fully in line with the operation of the Ideal Gas Law. And it culminated Sunday night with someone from the league leaking to Ben Volin of the Boston Globe strong disagreement with the Patriots’ position that Wells didn’t have the right to re-interview witnesses based on evidence that previously had been lurking undetected in Wells’ files.

Now, the news being leaked is positive for the Patriots, since it explains why they suspended without pay two guys whom the Patriots believe did nothing wrong. It suggests that, as Schefter reported last night, the league and the team are trying to work out a compromise — and that this latest leak represents an olive branch.

Still, it’ll take more than olive branches for the league to find a solution to this mess that allows Ted Wells and Troy Vincent to save face, and that gives the Commissioner cover for what will appear to be cowering to Patriots owner Robert Kraft. For now, only the Patriots and their fans are complaining loudly about the proposed penalties; if/when the league backs off, plenty of other people will start complaining, too.

212 responses to “Patriots suspended Jastremski, McNally at request of NFL

  1. So the Patriots organization is fighting every charge the NFL levied against them but decided, on just this one point, to concede to the NFL and suspend McNally and Jastremski? Yeah, because that makes sense.

  2. If the compromise doesn’t include the full removal of ALL ridiculously imposed penalties then I say go ahead Patriots and Brady and sue the hell out of Roger Goodell.

  3. SO this is part of the back door deal?

    I call it BS

    I don’t believe for a second that this the way it happen. This is so Kraft can save face.

  4. Tom Brady is going to sue the league for 500 mil for damages to his earning power the rest of his life . when robert kraft sue;s the amount he asks for in damages will be mind boggling . i hope jastremski and mcnally sue the league as well , it will be a drop in the bucket for the league liability .

  5. Why did it take the NFL offices so long to set the record straight on this. Just more proof that there are people inside the league office our to stick it to the Patriots.

  6. NE was hoping they could pin the entire blame on these two scapegoats & that cheating ring leader tom brady would get off scot-free. Instead bridget moynahan is still laughing. If the gas law explains it, then it makes no sense for NE to suspend these guys. I wonder how The Deflator’s diet is going.

  7. Hard to see how they get to a deal. There’s not really any room for compromise between “guilty” and “we didn’t do anything wrong.” Not a lot of gray area in there. The league cannot admit that nothing happened without looking idiotic, and worse, looking like Goodell is Kraft’s thumb, and the Patriots cannot, at this point, admit they did anything wrong without justifying the punishment that they’ve gotten. (Well, some of it, anyway, but actually, if they really did it [which the evidence says they did not], their response justifies all of it.)

  8. I hope McNally and Jastremski are contacting literary agents who’ll publish the juicy tell all that the NFL and the Pats so richly deserve. Throwing them under the bus was the ultimate in corporate classlessness.

  9. “For now, only the Patriots and their fans are complaining loudly about the proposed penalties; if/when the league backs off, plenty of other people will start complaining, too.”
    ———————————————————-
    Pats fans complaining? It’s more like crying.

  10. Just to be clear, the NFL made the Patriots suspend them, and then turned around and let everyone assume it was an admission of guilt by the Patriots. So it’s again time to ask yourself: what if the Patriots are right? Because if they are, we have a league run by nothing but rumors, leaks, and deception.

  11. Makes no sense. If this is true why wouldn’t they let them be interviewed a second time by Ted Wells? There is more to this than the league asking the Patriots to suspend them!

  12. Time to start educating the fanbase. They wouldnt want their teams unfairly penalized and either. Very simple. This league has problems from the top, all the way through the way the biased media handles news, all the way to the fans, which is why there is so much constant anger and whining and crying.

  13. My guess is that this was not an approved leak like the story that was given to NFL shill Chris Mortensen by the powers that be in order to sway public opinion, but rather by an individual acting on their own. I wonder if anyone is going to hold Goodell for the propaganda that he has allowed.

  14. Now THIS information eliminates a MAJOR piece of the puzzle inasmuch as it ELIMINATES a supposedly SUSPICIOUS act on the part of the Patriots. In other words, they are BLAMELESS as far as this particular act goes. Hmmm.

  15. They leak what they like when it suits them no matter whether it is the truth or not. What a sorry episode. No wonder Robert Kraft is ripping mad.

  16. The Pats didn’t have to suspend them. They could have held strong just like they are with Brady. This theory doesn’t hold water.

  17. doesn’t matter anymore. haters still think 11 of 12 balls were 2 PSI or more low. They think Wells’ dismissal of Walt Anderson’s memory (on which gauge he used and ONLY on which gauge he used) is correct.

    They can’t deal with the facts.

  18. Taking your foot off their throat shows others the road to indiscretions with benefits.

  19. Anything less than the original penalty would be a farce and in my opinion start a open season on cheating. This commissioner already protected this cheating organization when he destroyed The spygate videos. The fact that Kraft will threaten to replace their self appointed leader is amusing.

  20. Finally something that could possibly go our way
    Plz tell me all this is TRUE!
    I honestly don’t mind the 4game suspension
    I’d like to see how JimmyG plays under pressure
    I want to see us get our 1st rounder back

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    Get ☝️1 more for the thumb✋
    😂😭😂😭😂😂😂😂😂

  21. From Shifty’s FB post:

    NFL asked Pats to suspend them prior to discipline being handed down

    Let’s see the ways this can be interpreted…

    a) NFL asked the Pats to suspend them *long* before the discipline was handed down (ie: back in February).

    b) NFL asked the pats to suspend them *right* before the discipline was handed down (ie: “We’re going to announce the penalty tomorrow – you might want to have those guys suspended when it happens”)

    Whichever of the two (or any others), it’s telling that the Pats felt the need to go along with the request. You’d think if they were innocent, the Pats would have used the fact that the NFL wanted them suspended as proof that they were being railroaded, yet they decided to wait until after the punishments came down to let us know. More of that “aroma” they keep putting out.

  22. I’ll quote those who have been shouting down patriots fans: Just do what’s right, commissioner. It is abundantly clear Goodell and Wells got this wrong. Forget public opinion, do what’s right, and exonerate the Patriots. You want credibility? Admitting fault goes a long ways toward that.

  23. And this disarms one of the biggest points the haters have been making right along!!!!!

    The Patriots DIDN’T suspend, or fire, these guys, the NFL told them too!!!!!!

    Let’s see what you haters have to say about THIS!!!

  24. screw that……if the pats indeed did nothing wrong then why is a penalty even part of the conversation?

    “oh gee……let’s still penalize the pats even though they did nothing wrong….we can save face that way”

    really?

    so how is this not a conspiracy?

    what will be most interesting is if the pats demand zero penalty

  25. So we’re completely innocent but we’ll take away the livelihood of these two families to appease the league?

    Kraft take a stance and stick to it!

  26. Why hasnt the league addressed the Chris Mortensen report? Well that’s because the LEAGUE provided Mortensen with the FALSE information that led to this nothing story blowing up then allowing every Patriots hater and bitter former NFL’s players their 5 minutes of fame. How could they possibly turn around and say they started this whole thing so instead they give they hand out unprecidented peanalties and accept no responsibility for their role in thise entire joke of an investigation.

  27. If Robert Kraft really cares about the NFL, he shouldn’t stop after getting the Patriots’ and Brady’s punishments overturned. He should only rest after getting Goodell fired.

  28. Interesting. So much misinformation. Have read everywhere that it was a “sign of Patriot” guilt that they suspended the two employees. Now, we learn that they were suspended by request of the NFL.

    Goat Rodeo.

  29. Wow surprise surprise, more info from the nfl found to be incorrect when first reported. And you all get on bradys back on why he didn’t give up his phone to these damn crooks smh.

    #Freebrady

  30. Whatever the truth is, the damage to Kraft and Brady can’t be undone with an olive branch.

    If Goodell stood at a podium and apologized for the abundant misinformation that was put out and not corrected by his office, I don’t think it would make any difference at this point.
    The populace would basically question why Goodell is pandering to the Patriots (by finally telling the truth?)

    If the league felt they had the Patriots dead to rights on the facts, why put out lies or exaggerations, and omit key evidence like it doesn’t exist?
    It looks to me like it wasn’t so much about getting to the truth as it was malice on part of some league employees.
    Have any league employees been reprimanded or even given a ‘good talking to’?
    Doubt it! Maybe we’ll finally get acknowledgment of wrongdoings from the league in Roger the dodger’s memoirs, but he’s too cowardly to confront his league buddies in real time.

  31. I call BS. Sounds like the NFL and Pats are corroborating a story to soften the Pats punishment, while trying to make Goodell more credible and competent by rejecting the Wells report.

  32. Why is it so hard for Pats fan to realize their team did indeed seek an unfair advantage and deflate the footballs.if Kraft is complaining bitterly about being found guilty by circumstantial evidence then is he going to be a convicts number one supporter because he too was convicted and sent to prison on mere circumstantial evidence like the Patriots.

  33. i feel bad for all the haters that were running around saying how the pats suspended them because of deflation and why would 2 guys who the pats claim are innocent get suspended.

    I mean people don’t know how hard it is to be a pats hater, you have to remove most of your intellect and ignore basic facts that are written in a 240 page report, then you have to run around all day telling people that roger goodell makes a very fair arbitrator, and then this story breaks and it was thier one most logical point and now it’s gone

    , I mean the only way it can get any worse is if the nfl is already trying to negotiate a reduced deal because they themselves know that thier case is a farce, good thing that would never happen becuase pats haters know how strong of a case that is

  34. I’m no Patriots fan and I’m complaining loudly that they weren’t penalized enough; especially Brady.

  35. I think Adam brought up a good point in his report. How about the Patriots appeal on the condition that the NFL tests balls all next season at halftime. At halftime of every game, test the balls. If it is proven that the PSI of balls does go down when it starts getting colder or wetter then give the Patriots the draft picks back. If the PSI doesn’t go down by about the same amount take the 1st and 4th round picks

  36. The only compromise that should be considered is upping the suspension to a full year and including Kraft and Belichick in addition to Brady.

    Patri*t fans can reference other teams cheating all they want.

    The plain fact is that an individual player taking PED’s acted on his own. The cheating the Patri*ts have been doing is part of their corporate culture.

    It is plainly obvious that the Patri*ts have been tampering with the footballs for quite some time and not just the AFC Championship Game whether it is provable or not.

    A team the caliber of the Patri*ts should be ashamed of itself. They really didn’t need to do the things they have done. Or did they?

    That’s the main thing really… we will never really know for sure.

  37. I’m a NYG, and I know most of America tried, convicted and sentenced NE the day after the AFC Title game. I have no love for NE, but I have a real problem with the league here.

    They have no credibility. The repeated leaks (and you honestly think Brady should have given these clowns his phone?) until this latest one anyway show a clear bias against NE. They leaked information that was clearly false and never made any effort to correct the public.

    I know all you pitchfork and torch wavers still haven’t heard a thing since “Brady”, “Patriot” and “Cheat” and have had your eyes and ears (though certainly not your mouths) covered ever since. But I for one just can’t believe or trust a word the NFL or its commissioner has said.

    Lastly, even if there was video evidence of Brady deflating balls himself in the bathroom, the punishment was over the top. The punishment’s purpose was to show the bloodthirsty mob (that’s 90% of you reading this) that they created by the way, that the commish is in charge. And you bought it hook, line and sinker.

  38. Mobs are scary.

    Even with all of the scientific evidence pointing to the Patriots doing absolutely nothing wrong, the blind hate, and jealousy, and NFL leaks and lies kept the Mob waving their torches and pitchforks for months. And some are still waving them, but you can feel that now they aren’t holding on to them so tightly. Facts and science, (and Florio), are finally starting to sink in. Anger is turning to disappointment, as the lemmings realize that there will be no punishment coming for the Patriots.

    As nice as it would be to have all of this behind us, I find myself wanting to see revenge. A pound of NFL flesh. I would love to see all of this taken to a Federal Court. The Wells Report was a juvenile smear attempt. Plain as day to anyone with more than a scattering of brain cells.

    To all of the hypocritical coaches, talking heads, players, owners, and everyone else who felt the need to pile on the Patriots and Brady……A giant “F.U.”! Enjoy watching the Pats come out on top again.

    Mark Brunell….Here is a tissue.
    Karlos Dansby…Good luck with your skin care products. OMG. Do they come in cute little pink jars?
    Warner, Dungy, self-righteous losers.
    The list goes on and on.

    Maybe we finally get rid of Goodell now? has he ever handled anything properly? $44million per year?

    Ted Wells has probably already booked the next flight back to his algae-covered rock that he crawled out from.

    It is almost time for a block party with Aerosmith and Steel Panther! Free Sammy Adams! Mr. Kraft should make that happen with the $1million he is about to save!

    I know that it isn’t over yet, but the light of common sense seems to be busting through the clouds of stupidity.

    In my 45 years of being a Patriots fan, I’ve got to say…..This is right up there!

  39. So… a team cheats and they get to keep the trophies that they won while cheating.

    O.K…. got it.

    More proof that America is in decline.

    Sad.

    Thanks, new england.

  40. The last paragraph of this piece wasvery depressing. Has it actually come down to which group is more numerous and shouts the loudest instead of getting at the truth? The careers of Goodell, Vincent and Wells are over. Kraft shredded the Wells Report and you can bet that man has left dry powder for a very public court battle expose, but only if required. I suspect that the NFL trio above plus sting-leader Kensil will very soon be discovering that they have an overwhelming desire to ‘spend more time with their families’ (or whatever passes today for face saving explanation when an incompetent is fired).

  41. This wasn’t a tough one to figure out. The reports had stated that Troy Vincent had to approve reinstatement. That in itself was a big indicator that this was league mandated.

  42. Except…all of this was reported a week ago when the initial sanctions came down. From last week:

    “Robert Kraft advised Commissioner Roger Goodell last week that Patriots employees John Jastremski and James McNally have been indefinitely suspended without pay by the club, effective on May 6th. Neither of these individuals may be reinstated without the prior approval of NFL Executive Vice President of Football Operations Troy Vincent”

    None of this is news. Personally, I think they cheated and that this has spiraled well out of control. HOWEVER, there are far too many people using an NFL MANDATED SUSPENSION as evidence that the Patriots are hiding something and are guilty.

  43. If they were suspended before the Wells report, it is a sign that the Patriots were being supportive of the league (either trying to curry favor or at least not curry too much wrath).

    As such, it would not be a present indicator of compromise.

  44. This is a screw job by the league. If they don’t wipe out Brady’s suspension and lessen or remove the penalties then other teams around the league and their fans better watch out. You will be next.

  45. So, now the reason for Patriot haters to hate is disproven.
    Now they can’t say”why did they suspend the if they didn’t do anything wrong”. Shut up haters. Pats rule. Stop the railroad job NFL, you are continuing to embarrass yourselves as well as all of you haters

  46. And why even respond to the request and suspend them if they did nothing wrong? Why not defend them like they’re doing with Brady? Answer, the Pats desperately tried to make them scapegoats.

    Guilty as charged Brady!

  47. As a Saints fan, this whole thing disgusts me for several reasons.

    1. If the Pats are guilty, the punishment is not harsh enough compared to the Saints.
    2. The league is looking to adjust the punishment because the investigation might not be as good as they thought it was. It wasn’t as good as they thought it was with the Saints either, but the league didn’t lessen the Saints penalties one bit. Even after a Federal Judge and the ex Commissioner called the case a joke in so many words.
    3. Its obvious that big market teams like New England get special treatment over small market teams like New Orleans.
    4. Goodell just can’t do anything right. EVER.
    5. Robert Kraft is an enormous hypocrite. Here is a guy who has went to bat for Goodell on every single controversy that has happened, UNTIL it is against his own team and then he cries like a baby, and it appears that he will be getting what he wants.
    6. As much as the media and Pats fans try to downplay the effect that low air pressure has on the outcome of a game, the truth is it is a HUGE advantage. If it wasn’t an advantage, then why would they do it.
    7. If the Pats get their penalties reduced, I want to know why the Saints penalties were never reduced even after the BountyGate investigation was proven to be complete hogwash.

    As a lifetime, paying Saints fan, I feel like I have the right to an answer. This crap disgusts me. These rich, money hungry, spoiled brats like Goodell & his butt buddy Kraft are ruining the game I was born to love.

    Now excuse me while I go puke. Kraft & Goodell are both the same. They are both disgusting to me.

  48. OK – so the league asked for this.

    So why might the Patriots have gone through with the suspensions even if the team did not believe that they did anything wrong? The answer could be very simple, they did not want to be accused of “failure to cooperate” yet again.

  49. Patriots suspended Jastremski, McNally at request of NFL
    =============================
    Its all about the PR and public perception with this league…. Who cares if its the RIGHT thing to do as long as its good PR………SMDH

  50. If those 2 are Beavis and Butthead, then Goodell, Wells and Kensil are Moe, Larry and Curly.

  51. He’s hiding something in that phone. NE has cried like no other team in history.

    Two suspension, now shut up.

  52. The patriots should not negotiate. They should play this out. Have full discovery process and have roger, Troy Vincent, mike kensil, dean blandino, Ryan grigson, walt Anderson and co testify under oath and answer to the many accusations that they internally decided they weren’t at fault of.

    Brady will not settle unless fully exonerated. I’d rather have him miss the entire season than let the NFL off the hook. I also hope that brady/bundchen inc file a 9 figure defamation lawsuit to bring this farce to full circle.

    This has been a witch hunt from the beginning. THe leaks are disturbing part of it and show how shady the NFL office.

    Ted wells was exposed as well and probably will never be able to conduct one of these “independent” investigations again.

    Patriot fans will be vindicated for believing in their team and brady himself will be watching the 4th banner drop while suited up to the whiny dismay of all the other nfl fans that sullied his name based on no proof.

  53. So now the evidence consists of Wells interpretation of some text messages between two Patriots employees? And the Patriots are suppose to sit back and let this stand because of public opinion? This whole thing is a joke.

  54. It would be best for the NFL to settle this thing. If this goes to court, Goodell looks like more of a buffoon than he already does.

    I want Kraft to take this court. This was a sham report that has now put in the minds of all the Patriot haters that once again they cheated.

    I hope this never happens to another team in the NFL but, if it does, I’ll pile on your team like you are piling on #15yearsofgreatness

  55. Rogers wants his Robert back I see. How bromantic? They’re going to sit by the camp fire of burning spy gate tapes, sip.some wine and discuss how best to let Little Brady out of his punishment. Someday they’ll coauthor a book called “Deflationships”.

  56. The Headline: 2 lbs PSI leaked from 11 of 12 of Patritot’s footballs in AFC title game!!

    Story written and read by no one months later: um… a little PSI was lost but accounted for by Ideal Gas Law and confusion over which gauge was used.

    Headline: Patriots FIRE employees who ‘supposedly’ did nothing in Deflategate!!!!

    Story written later after everyone has already made up their minds: um… employees placed on unpaid leave at the request of the NFL. (during the off season this isn’t much of a hardship…)

    The NFL is leaking a lot more hot air than the Pats are….

  57. What sickens me is the fact that the Patriots, in the biased and judgmental media eyes, have been saying the Pats did this on their own. They then say that because they did this it shows their guilt. Just one more example of the NFL letting a LIE continue which is smearing the Pats name more.

  58. I don’t care about the penalties, I’m confident that the Patriots can overcome whatever penalties the NFL dishes out. What bothers me is that regardless of the outcome of any appeal or court trial, the Patriots legacy is forever tarnished by a bogus accusation and ridiculous investigation.

  59. Isn’t it interesting how all these little tidbits of information that were leaked to the public and patriots have been getting killed for turn out to be incorrect and the nfl just sits on it, does nothing to correct it, even though they know what it’s doing to the patriots reputation
    In the beginning I didn’t know what to think but wasn’t really leaning towards a complete set up but the more and more information that comes out the more I do.

  60. Ok….now that there’s been ANOTHER LEAK by the NFL OFFICES …..(I Know a real shocker there)…can we all get off the debate of why the Pats would suspend them (& no, not fire them as so many thought) if they didn’t do something wrong??!! I’ve said all along it was because of the NFL but sooooo many wouldn’t believe that!!! Wake up!!!
    & speaking of waking up, let’s talk a little more about Brady not releasing his PERSONAL cell records…like I’ve been saying all along about that as well, the league office leaks worse than the titanic did after the iceberg…..NOT because there’s some hidden smoking gun , but because he couldn’t trust the LEAGUE with all that stuff to not get out….pretty hard not to see he got that right!!!
    However I’d LOVE to see the phone records of Keisil, Grigson, Wells, Goodell, Pagano, Harbaugh, & Blandinos….now I bet THOSE have a great story to tell!!!!
    If this goes to court THOSE records become available!!! You think the NFL wants to just surrender them??!!

  61. Once again the league asks the Pats to suspend these two knowing it will make the Pats look bad but they comply and are cooperative and since then there have literally been thousands of people saying the fact that the Pats suspended them proves the Pats are guilty. Yet until TODAY the league said NOTHING about it being their request. The same pattern that has been going on since the league leaked the false information about 11 footballs being 2psi’s under and they just let that crap hang for the public to crucify the Pats.

  62. Hopefully he NFL will fix this mess for the future,
    meaning everyone plays with the same game balls.
    Then it will be interesting if the Patriots fumble ratio will more closely mirror the rest of the league

  63. Man, dis shows u the power Kraft has in the nfl. All dis New story’s coming out are all b.s! They are trying to turn everything around now. Very disturbing N shows how corrupt the league is. Wells is the scapegoat in dis one.

  64. 1. The science of the report was obviously massaged to fit the narrative that Ted wells wanted.

    2. Based on no scientific data throw out that part of the case.

    3. Since there is no evidence there is no crime.

    4. Give draft picks back unsuspend brady.

    5. Fine him 50k for not handing over his phone. Just like Brett Favre.

  65. It’s funny how the early information steers you in one direction, and then, as more and more information becomes public, the narrative becomes more muddled, with fewer certainties than even probable.

  66. Why is the league “leaking” so much? No way I’s turn over my cellphone to them either.

    If the league were truly transparent, let Goodell and his minions address everything through questions at their required weekly press conferences.

    What’s that? Oh? The requirement to make yourself available to media only applies to players and coaches? Hmmm.

  67. This is not surprising. The first reports were that the employees had been fired by the Patriots and that was proven false. The hint that this was the case was the statement that the Patriots were forbidden by the league to re-instate the two unlkess with the express permission of the league.They have been suspended. In cases like this it is usual practice that employees be suspended by their employer(sometimes with pay, and sometimes not) pending the outcome of the investigation.
    What is telling here is that these people are employees of the Patriots , not the NFL so the NFL had to request that they be suspended and the Patriots complied with that request (i.e. cooperated with the league)

  68. First, the NFL and Goodell, et al, should have ZERO stake in “saving face” for Ted Wells. He is a private contractor, not an employee. He delivered an entirely inconclusive report based on the actual evidence, but decided to start a brush fire by drawing conclusions based on assumptions and speculation, but only when it suited his chosen narrative.

    With Goodell choosing himself as the obviously neutral, unbiased arbitrator for Brady’s appeal, well…the NFL has been put into a complicated situation by their own wild over-reaction to this whole situation.

    I don’t see how anything can be resolved “behind the scenes” without generating further controversy. Obviously, those who have branded the Patriots cheaters since the day after the AFCCG would not be satisfied with any reduction of penalties. And some sort of token reduction, perhaps meeting in the middle on the penalties, would hardly satisfy fans who believe the team is innocent of the charges.

    As has been said numerous times, the NFL could have handled this in such a way as to address any and all concerns without laying the Patriots out for public crucifixion for the two weeks leading up to the SB, and all the months since.

    Any utterance of the word “integrity” by the NFL is rendered laughable and moot by their repeated leaks to the media. This whole thing is a farce.

  69. Yup. More proof of this one-sided witch hunt. The league has NEVER cared about the insignificance of a psi in a football. This whole stupid thing has been absurd.

  70. “So how do you explain 11 of 12 balls being 2psi under?”
    –They weren’t.

    “Even the guy who intercepted it said it felt deflated!”
    –No, no he didn’t.

    “Well explain why all the Colts balls didn’t ‘naturally’ deflate, huh?”
    –They did.

    “So why did a Pats employee try to introduce an unapproved ball eh?”
    –He didn’t. (But an NFL employee stole from charity)

    “But the Wells report’s science says someone tampered!!”
    –Well, if you ignore the gauge the ref said that he used, then yeah, maybe there was a concerted effort to take .3psi out of balls(BTW, .3psi is so valuable to the integrity of the game, that the 2 gauges used have a discrepancy of .35psi between each other, fancy that.)

    “So why’d that guy call himself the Deflator?”
    –idk. It was only mentioned once 8 months before the game. Before, mind you, that a game occurred where the balls were found to be at 16psi(Not much of a Deflator I’d say) McNally claimed it was a “losing weight” pun between two guys that work in an environment where that sort of vernacular took place. At the time he was trying to get some sneakers it sounds like, perhaps to work out. Use your imagination.

    “So if nothing happened, then why did they suspend those two guys?”
    –The NFL told them to.

    Next question Haters?

    Defend the Wall #freebrady #witchhunt

  71. The fumbling data does not lie. In 2006, Brady lobbied the league to change the rules for pre-game handling of footballs. In 2007 the Patriots named Jim McNally Locker Room Attendant. It’s also the same year he became “the deflator”.

    Patriots fumbles under HC Belichick:
    2000-2006: 1 fumble every 42 touches
    20007-2014: 1 fumble every 74 touches

    Pats have been cheating for years!

  72. So with all the media attention swirling around #Deflategate, it’s taken them THIS LONG to “leak” the truth? You have GOT to be kidding me.

  73. “captpukefish says:
    May 19, 2015 9:02 AM

    “So how do you explain 11 of 12 balls being 2psi under?”
    –They weren’t.

    “Even the guy who intercepted it said it felt deflated!”
    –No, no he didn’t.

    “Well explain why all the Colts balls didn’t ‘naturally’ deflate, huh?”
    –They did.

    “So why did a Pats employee try to introduce an unapproved ball eh?”
    –He didn’t. (But an NFL employee stole from charity)

    “But the Wells report’s science says someone tampered!!”
    –Well, if you ignore the gauge the ref said that he used, then yeah, maybe there was a concerted effort to take .3psi out of balls(BTW, .3psi is so valuable to the integrity of the game, that the 2 gauges used have a discrepancy of .35psi between each other, fancy that.)

    “So why’d that guy call himself the Deflator?”
    –idk. It was only mentioned once 8 months before the game. Before, mind you, that a game occurred where the balls were found to be at 16psi(Not much of a Deflator I’d say) McNally claimed it was a “losing weight” pun between two guys that work in an environment where that sort of vernacular took place. At the time he was trying to get some sneakers it sounds like, perhaps to work out. Use your imagination.

    “So if nothing happened, then why did they suspend those two guys?”
    –The NFL told them to.

    Next question Haters?

    Defend the Wall #freebrady #witchhunt”

    ^ Quoted for Truth

  74. I don’t know why Roger Goodell should be interested in helping Ted Wells to save face. If he delivered a wholly unacceptable report which doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, hang him out to dry and never employ him again.

  75. The NFL is not on a witch hunt. The last thing they wanted was to find Brady cheating. The Cheats have been cheating for years and it’s not about .3 psi. It’s the integrity of the game probably going back to 2007 and before that Spygate.

    If the Cheats are not guilty then why did Brady and his 2 ball boys lie. Too much circumstantial evidence that isn’t explained.

    And why did the ball boy take the footballs without approval and stop in the restroom (to pee in the urinal, I mean toilet) and lie about it and tell different stories. The Patriots are jokes and poor winners.

  76. New England Deflatriots – Super bowl Champions *

    Listen Cheaters you are like little kids who got caught with their hand in the cookie jar… Just take your lumps and move on.

    Get rid of the almighty cheater Brady and Belicheat and start to rebuild an organization that has some integrity… Then and only then will this be forgotten.

  77. The patriots would not have mentioned this after how irate they were by the Wells report??? Riiiiiight. OK.

    A witch hunt against the patriots? LOl. Dont flatter yourselves CHEATERS.

  78. The NFL is such a mess, seriously. Deflate-gate, Spy-gate, Bounty-gate, Bully-gate…BULLYING? Are you KIDDING me? Toughen up, America. If you’re worried about two 300 lb grown busting stones, you have bigger problems than I can help you with. This is turning into pro wrestling. It seems like every offseason there’s some absurd witch-hunt, and now I’m starting to think the NFL is taking the “no such thing as bad publicity” route and just wants to stay in the news 12 months a year. Once Brady and Belichick hang it up, I might be done with NFL football, and I never in a million years thought I’d ever say that, I live and breathe football. But this is becoming an absolute farce. I’d rather travel my local high school circuit at this point and watch the kids play, at least there’s none of this ridiculous BS I have to deal with with the NFL. I just want to watch and enjoy the strategy and skill ad violence of the game without TMZ having to get involved. RIDICULOUS.

  79. Great, so why are they still silent? I’m sure that they have hd plenty avenues to come clean and put this whitch hunt to rest. am not saying that the Patriots did or didn’t do anything, but if someone is throwing my name to the ground, I will be sure to proclaim my innocence, but this guys are just silent. Maybe they are waiting legal instructions on what to say?

  80. Beefs with Goodell in order of legitimacy;

    Adrian Peterson (royally screwed for PR purposes)
    Saints (excessively screwed for PR)
    Patriots (screwed for PR)

    Science explains the deflation. Not sure the Patriots are innocent, however, this and the NFL leaks of false PSI data are surely mitigating factors.

  81. nepatriot1 says:
    May 19, 2015 8:36 AM
    Oops, hater ammo is rapidly dissapearing.
    ========================
    Nah, its (*) still alive and well lol

  82. Fans of 31 teams have it tough when they need to rely on one fraud to discipline an even bigger fraud. Graft is the bigger fraud for folks scoring in NE. Think Senator Palpatine, when he was secretly the Emporer. Greedell is his henchman. Think Darth Vader, when he was evil, not when he was helping Luke at the end. Apparently their may never be any redemption for Greedell.

  83. I want this to go to court, have the NFL beg for mercy, have Roger Goodell fired and given a one way ticket to London.

    To top it off I want to see Brady throw 5 TDs in a blow out win in the Super Bowl.
    I am not a Patriots fan but I will be this year.


  84. Patriots fumbles under HC Belichick:
    2000-2006: 1 fumble every 42 touches
    20007-2014: 1 fumble every 74 touches

    Pats have been cheating for years!”

    Wrong. What you’re ignoring is actual fumbles made vs fumbles recovered. The Pats recovered a higher percentage of fumbles in the 2007-2014 period but had a similar fumbling rate to everyone else

  85. If the Pats did “nothing wrong” then why agree to suspend the two attendants who said they were just following orders? Where is Kraft supporting these guys? Too bad there is no union for locker room attendants.

    Sorry, this just doesn’t pass the smell test.

  86. is suspect the NFL requested the suspension of McNally and Jastremski to put pressure on these guys to talk.

    It did not work, because McNally did not tamper with the balls. Althouh he dislikes Brady, he hates Wells more after being dragged thru the mud by this hatchet job and attack on his integrity.

    The Wells report actually exonerates these men. While the false leaks, and misleading conclusions conceals the pertinent facts. The ideal gas law proves the balls were not tampered with.

    I hope Brady takes it to court. What the NFL has done is horrendous. Wells ignored the most obvious explanation. If he accepted the Ref’s recollection, that he used the Wilson Logo Gauge , the PSI of the Pat balls falls in line with the expected PSI range. He comes to his false conclusions by using the measurements from the other gauge.

  87. You just won the Internet for today.

    _______________

    If those 2 are Beavis and Butthead, then Goodell, Wells and Kensil are Moe, Larry and Curly.

  88. restoreintegritytonfl says:
    May 19, 2015 9:11 AM

    The fumbling data does not lie. In 2006, Brady lobbied the league to change the rules for pre-game handling of footballs. In 2007 the Patriots named Jim McNally Locker Room Attendant. It’s also the same year he became “the deflator”.

    Patriots fumbles under HC Belichick:
    2000-2006: 1 fumble every 42 touches
    20007-2014: 1 fumble every 74 touches

    Pats have been cheating for years!

    Still waiting for an explanation of how a team cuts their fumbles virtually in half in one off season, coincidentally the off season that the rule was passed.

    – “but, that study was proven false.”

    Uh, no. The Sharp report was disputed by two admitted Pats fans who said the numbers of fumbles still dropped dramatically, but not as muc as the study first said.

    But do your own work. Go to the NFL website and calculate them for yourself. Guilty

    – “but on the road the other teams handle the balls”

    Uh no. The rule change allowed teams to handle their own balls at home and away. Guilty.

    – “but Belichick values the ball.”

    Uh no. Unless the brilliant Belichcik didn’t understand fumbles were bad until the rule change because he was the coach during the entire time as was Brady the QB. Guilty.

    – “but the Pats turned into a passing team and stopped running the ball.”

    Uh, no. Pats ran the ball 0.9 times less per game from 2007-2014 vs 2003-2006. Less than 1 fewer rushes PER GAME doean’t = half the fumbles. Guilty.

    Serial Cheaters.

  89. hey, yo, trading favors for valuable items (eg: autographed footballs and “kicks”) is illegal.

    it may also constitute unreported income (hello, IRS?). it’s certainly a firable offense absent anything related to cheating/deflating footballs.

    the texts exposed the seedy underbelly of the league, which assuredly exists in all 32 team facilities, and itself is a much more serious public relations matter than anything that did or did not happen before the afc championship.

    suspensions are nothing compared to the perp walk they may face next. and the scrutiny that may soon fall on all stadium employees leaguewide.

  90. nepatriot1 says:
    May 19, 2015 8:36 AM
    Oops, hater ammo is rapidly dissapearing.
    ===============================

    Nope, Pats gave us the cheat-code for unlimited ammo.

  91. If the fine gets reduced to 5 cents it would be too much.

    As Mike Florio says above, halftime pressure reading were fully in line with the operation of the Ideal Gas Law.

    There was no tampering. Period.

    Even the NFL must be realizing this, but they are at a loss to how to save face and avoid two court fights that are not winnable.

    If I were Kraft I’d demand:

    1) no suspension for Brady
    2) no loss of draft picks for the team
    3) no fine for the team
    4) a denouncement of the Wells report’s scientific conclusions
    5) an acknowledgement of and apology for the series of false leaks from NFL employees that escalated this dispute and falsely implicated the Patriots.
    6) the firing of the NFL employee that lied to Chris Mortensen about the pressure readings
    7) a $25,000 fine to the Indianapolis Colts for illegally checking the pressure of a football on the sidelines with a gauge and needle, which only refs are allowed to do.
    8) Roger Goodell, Troy Vincent, Mike Kensil, and Ryan Grigson are required to take and pass a high school physics class covering the ideal gas law.

  92. restoreintegritytonfl says:
    May 19, 2015 9:11 AM
    The fumbling data does not lie. In 2006, Brady lobbied the league to change the rules for pre-game handling of footballs. In 2007 the Patriots named Jim McNally Locker Room Attendant. It’s also the same year he became “the deflator”.

    Patriots fumbles under HC Belichick:
    2000-2006: 1 fumble every 42 touches
    20007-2014: 1 fumble every 74 touches

    Pats have been cheating for years!
    ————————————————–

    Look, I’m a Browns fan, but this gets tiresome. This quoting of the bogus fumble stats is like the constant repeating of the Patriots “filming teams’ practices” (a singular, long-ago-debunked accusation that they filmed the Rams walkthrough prior to the SB which has now been pluralized because…this is the internet?)…it’s been debunked by Deadspin who revealed that that guy’s stats included special teams plays, which use the K balls, and so skew the data.

    The actual fumble stats show that the Patriots are somewhere in the top 5, I think, but they are right there with the pack.

    It’s an entirely false argument and proves nothing, in other words.

  93. 4thqtrsaint says:
    May 19, 2015 8:30 AM
    So the Pats suspend employees on command from Ginger, unless its a QB. Then you threaten to sue. Got it.
    ——————————————–
    Er, Brady is still suspended from playing at the mo too, but he & the NFLPA are appealling. Kraft has stated he didn’t think the team did wrong (though a pair of shoes may have been stolen), but are probably waiting owners meeting and Brady appeal before deciding on the need to sue. Meanwhile all 3 suspendees remain suspended as per the NFL. No double standard.

    Does Williams pay you a bonus for unfair hits? Or are you a born hater?

  94. I just wonder how much contact there was between the league and Wells.

    I do believe Goodell needs to figure out a way to justify the amount of money spent on such a poor document because if they kept in contact throughout the process and the week at best and circumstantial evidence is all they had and he allowed it to go on it reflects poorly on him as a leader.

    If he didn’t keep in contact he was out and out bamboozled by Wells and fleeced for millions of dollars.

  95. Duh! Troy Vincent came out the day the report came out and confirmed that the NFL required them to be suspended and further stated that Vincent would be the one to authorize the reinstatement

    All the Haters used this as an example of guilt – “Why would the Patriots suspend them if they did nothing wrong!!”

    Once again, they are wrong

    And once again – where is the investigation into the leak in the NFL front office that has, and continues to leak misinformation designed to make the Patriots look bad??

    If the NFL front office is biased against the Patriots – as it’s clear they are, then THAT is a HUGE issue for this investigation and the integrity of the league

  96. “captpukefish says:

    “Even the guy who intercepted it said it felt deflated!”
    –No, no he didn’t.

    ——————————————————————
    The Colts also measured the ball they intercepted 3 times. They got 3 VERY different reading EACH time and were in under 12.5 PSI but ALL were precisely where they should be under the ideal gas law. In other words NO DEFLATION, NO TAMPERING.

    “captpukefish says:

    “But the Wells report’s science says someone tampered!!”
    –Well, if you ignore the gauge the ref said that he used, then yeah, maybe there was a concerted effort to take .3psi out of balls(BTW, .3psi is so valuable to the integrity of the game, that the 2 gauges used have a discrepancy of .35psi between each other, fancy that.)
    —————————————————————–
    if you also ignore the gauge the ref used you and you know the Colts did not tamper, then taking the halftime readings and under the ideal gas law puts the Colts PRE-GAME reading at 12.62. We know it was supposed to be 13.0. Therefore the Logo gauge was used just as the ref thought AND the Patriots PSI readings are exactly where they were supposed to be. In other words NO TAMPERING!!!

    As Neil deGrasse Tyson says, science is true whether you believe it or not. I you want to continue to believe the Patriot’s cheated feel free to continue to be wrong.

  97. “restoreintegritytonfl says:
    May 19, 2015 9:11 AM
    The fumbling data does not lie. In 2006, Brady lobbied the league to change the rules for pre-game handling of footballs. In 2007 the Patriots named Jim McNally Locker Room Attendant. It’s also the same year he became “the deflator”.

    Patriots fumbles under HC Belichick:
    2000-2006: 1 fumble every 42 touches
    20007-2014: 1 fumble every 74 touches

    Pats have been cheating for years!”

    The winning data does not lie.

    Average wins 2001-2005: 11.6
    Average wins 2006-2014: 12.4

    Yup, they have been the most consistently successful franchise over the past fifteen years.

    Have you ever thought, hey, maybe they don’t fumble often because they are a good football team that puts an emphasis on limiting turnovers? Or that your fumbling data samples coincide with a shift from a balanced offensive attack (Corey Dillion as the RB) to a pass heavy (60% plus) attack? Running backs fumble more often than receivers. Also, the fumbling data is based on lost fumbles, which is statistically random. If you look at total fumbles the discrepancy isn’t as big.

  98. Seriously feel sorry for all the haters. What it must be like to have a incompetent team to cheer for so you have to pile on the pats and realize you might’ve put your foot in your mouth and be proven wrong. Embrace the hate!! 4 rings and counting!!

  99. So you mean all those people whining about “why did the Pats suspend the ball boys” were making comments without all the facts. Gee, what a shock that is.

  100. Kraft and Brady backpedalling like Revis, begging for a deal. No one will be happy about this, most will think they got favoritism while Patriot fans delusionally hoped for scorched earth.

    2 games for the 2nd best ever
    2nd rd pick instead of a 1st
    500K fine

    #cheaterjustice

    #CultureofCheating

  101. So the whitewashing begins. Commish Goodsell sees all of those big paydays beginning to disappear and is running like the coward he is. Kraft controls that office and Bellecheat and Tom Shady deceive with impunity.

  102. Belicheat knew all this was going on I guarantee it. If Goodell was on top of his game BB would have been suspended for a year just like Sean Peyton was. But know Goodell has to go on coddling Kraft like his senile grandfather.

  103. Why is no one looking hard at Kensil here? My view is when Harbaugh was humiliated by the Patriots and Brady (read the rule book comment), he called Pagano(his former D-coordianator) and decided to go after Brady, on a technicality..to teach him a lesson. They found Kensil..who had 20 years of history with the Jets. He was a willing particpant in the NFL front office. He went after Brady hard and no one thought it would become this big a deal. Kraft and Brady should ask for Kensil’s phone and emails. I will bet there was a “sting” operation…not sanctioned by the NFL, but conducted by Kensil. I also think Brady did tell McNally and Jestremski to “make sure the balls are at 12.5psi”. I think they, in turn took it on themselves to alter the balls before play. But, as we have seen the psi is an inexact science. The fans frustrated with Brady’s success will always hate. Happens to all super successful folks…

  104. It certainly doesn’t help the Patriots cause that this is now the the 3rd instance of “accused” or confirmed Cheating during this era.

    The same reason a Criminal is viewed differently after they’ve amassed a ‘rap sheet’ and is accused of another crime… the Patriots have a recent history of cheating or skirting NFL rules hence the perception. Spygate and the Rams SB Walkthrough issue directly flaunted their willingness to circumvent NFL rules. Statements and actions in Deflategate clearly point to some degree of culpability.

    Even if the NFL didn’t handle this situation correctly, doesn’t mean the Patriots are innocent (or guilty). However, all signs do seem to indicate that foul play was present but to what extent and who was directly involved is the issue.

    There should be little to no sympathy for the Patriots given their history of operating in the ‘grey area’ of the rule book or even outside of it.

  105. The NFL and Pats deserve each other. Both are shady organizations. Goodell should resign and Kraft should be forced to sell his team for disgracing the league.

  106. And correct me if I’m wrong. Some tweet to Schefter, leaked by some source in the NFL, says that the NFL asked the Patriots to suspend the two. Right? OK. But it STILL doesn’t say WHY, does it? This is like some tawdry sleazy peep show, where you get one juicy tidbit at a time, then have to keep putting in the coin to see more.

    (Not that I’ve ever actually seen a tawdry, sleazy peep show. OK. Well, maybe once.)

  107. So let me get this straight Patriots, two rogue employee’s tampered with game equipment without any direction from players or coaches.

    The consequence of these two rogue employee’s is the loss of millions and a 4 game suspension of your future HOF QB.

    Yet they are still Patriots employees, just suspended without pay.

    I don’t know about you, but I know people who work in fast food that have been fired for WAAAAAAAY less.

    The funny thing is that McNally is only a part time temp anyway.

    So the question that begs to be answered is why haven’t the Patriots fired these two if they did this all on their own?

    The answer, they didn’t do it on their own, they were instructed to do it, and you don’t fire people for following orders.

  108. Wells was getting desperate, he knew how shoddy his report was; so he got Jeff Pash (running the sting, I mean investigation with him) to get the equipment guys fired. Maybe they’ll get mad and talk–meaning say what Wells wanted them to say. Didn’t work.

  109. Getting their ducks in a row, “backchanneling”.

    How cute, Roger and Bob back to crafting the cover-up.

  110. tagtak2000 says:
    May 19, 2015 10:03 AM
    Why is no one looking hard at Kensil here? My view is when Harbaugh was humiliated by the Patriots and Brady (read the rule book comment), he called Pagano(his former D-coordianator) and decided to go after Brady, on a technicality..to teach him a lesson. They found Kensil..who had 20 years of history with the Jets. He was a willing particpant in the NFL front office. He went after Brady hard and no one thought it would become this big a deal. Kraft and Brady should ask for Kensil’s phone and emails. I will bet there was a “sting” operation…not sanctioned by the NFL, but conducted by Kensil. I also think Brady did tell McNally and Jestremski to “make sure the balls are at 12.5psi”. I think they, in turn took it on themselves to alter the balls before play. But, as we have seen the psi is an inexact science. The fans frustrated with Brady’s success will always hate. Happens to all super successful folks…

    The only thing I disagree with you on is I think Harbaugh called Grigson, not Pagano. Harbaugh knew Pagano is an honorable man and would have none of it. I believe Pagano when he said he didn’t know anything about it until the day after the game. I also (can’t believe I’m saying this) think Irsay didn’t know. Tom Curran reported right after the game that he saw Irsay screaming at Grigson, Curran wasn’t close enough to hear what was being said; but, he said he got the feeling it wasn’t about the beating they just took. I think Grigson knew it was about to go public, so he had to tell Irsay. Goodell’s last act as commissioner should be to fire Mike Kensil!

  111. sambaughslingers says:
    May 19, 2015 7:58 AM

    I think Adam brought up a good point in his report. How about the Patriots appeal on the condition that the NFL tests balls all next season at halftime. At halftime of every game, test the balls. If it is proven that the PSI of balls does go down when it starts getting colder or wetter then give the Patriots the draft picks back.
    ==================
    So you want the NFL to verify an already proven law of physics? Let me guess, evolution didn’t happen and the earth is only 10,000 years old?

  112. restoreintegritytonfl says:
    May 19, 2015 10:28 AM
    NFL has denied this report.

    And you believe anything that comes out of the NFL front office?

  113. swyrlpr says:
    May 19, 2015 10:26 AM
    So let me get this straight Patriots, two rogue employee’s tampered with game equipment without any direction from players or coaches.

    The consequence of these two rogue employee’s is the loss of millions and a 4 game suspension of your future HOF QB.

    Yet they are still Patriots employees, just suspended without pay.

    I don’t know about you, but I know people who work in fast food that have been fired for WAAAAAAAY less.

    The funny thing is that McNally is only a part time temp anyway.

    So the question that begs to be answered is why haven’t the Patriots fired these two if they did this all on their own?

    The answer, they didn’t do it on their own, they were instructed to do it, and you don’t fire people for following orders.

    The Patriots are saying nobody except Mother Nature deflated the balls….and even Wells report can’t refute that.

  114. billh1947 says:
    May 19, 2015 7:54 AM

    Why is it so hard for Pats fan to realize their team did indeed seek an unfair advantage and deflate the footballs.

    —–

    Extremely good point…Why? Because there is a lot of things within the Wells report that prove innocence. Because there was a lot of false information leaked to the media which makes Pats fans think there was a conspiracy. Because the Colts have been whining to the league about us since we b|tch-slapped Manning in 2003.

    I think if you were in our shoes you would be equally as defensive.

  115. Considering all the leaks and misinformation, there is only one way for this to end appropriately.

    The owners fire Goodell, discredit the report, disassociate themselves from Wells going forward, launch an investigation into the leaks and issue an apology to the Patriots that states, at the very minimum, two glossed over facts from the report, that the Patriot’s footballs were within the range expected by the ideal gas law and that there is zero evidence to support Brady ordering footballs to be set below 12.5 PSI.

  116. Why is no one looking hard at Kensil here?

    I’m sorry, this focus on a conspiracy is just stupid. As a pats fan, its embarrassing. Focus on the wells report and context report. There’s enough information there already to shed tons of doubts. We don’t need silly conspiracy theories.

  117. Look, I’m a Browns fan, but this gets tiresome. This quoting of the bogus fumble stats is like the constant repeating of the Patriots “filming teams’ practices” (a singular, long-ago-debunked accusation that they filmed the Rams walkthrough prior to the SB which has now been pluralized because…this is the internet?)…it’s been debunked by Deadspin who revealed that that guy’s stats included special teams plays, which use the K balls, and so skew the data.

    The actual fumble stats show that the Patriots are somewhere in the top 5, I think, but they are right there with the pack.

    It’s an entirely false argument and proves nothing

    Facts are facts and you have made four factual mistakes.

    1 – The Pats have been in the top five of fewest fumbles every year since 2007 except the year Brady played with a broken hand. Before the rule changed they were never in the top 10. PLEASE PEOPLE LOOK UP THE FACTS BEFORE PUKING FALSEHOODS.

    2. You ignored the argument. The question isn’t where the Pats rank. The question is how the Pats cut their fumbles virtually in half immediately upon the rule changed. PLEASE PEOPLE LOOK UP THE FACTS BEFORE PUKING FALSEHOODS.

    3. Kraft admitted to Spygate when he lamented they were penalized less when they admittwed breaking rules vs now. PLEASE PEOPLE LOOK UP THE FACTS BEFORE PUKING FALSEHOODS.

    4. You’re not a Browns’ fan, you’re another Pats’ fan desperately trying to appear unbiased. PLEASE PEOPLE LOOK UP THE FACTS BEFORE PUKING FALSEHOODS.

  118. selldannysell says:
    May 19, 2015 9:38 AM
    What a mess. What has become of our NFL?

    Roger Goodell

  119. As someone mentioned above the case against the Patriots has fallen flat on many fronts. You can actually see it from the arguments of the “haters” who have stooped now to “Why doesn’t Brady say he didn’t do it in my face while looking me in the eyes” (because if he did that would clearly change their opinion) or “Why did he call himself the deflator” (because obviously, if he had called himself the inflator Wells and everyone else would say ‘forget it boys, this guy only inflates balls, case closed’). And now it’s “Why are the Patriots appealing for Brady but not for them” (never mind that Brady and not the Patriots filed his appeal but honestly, how dumb do you have to be to equate the two?)

    There’s a ton of rampant speculations here because Wells, the NFL, ESPN, the Patriots and everyone involved make it very easy but let’s not forget the main issue at the core of gate here: Were the footballs deflated by tampering?

    “MOST PROBABLY NOT”.

    This is exactly what Wells should have said. And then add: Because most probably the footballs started at 12.5psi according to most probably the readings of one particular gauge used for this purpose and according to the very same gauge the footballs lost about 1psi during the first half which is consistent with scientific expert opinion. This is the most probable scenario.

    However, to be thorough, there is also a less probable than not scenario where a different gauge may have been used initially and if so, the deflation cannot be explained by science. And among other possible factors, there is a possibility that tampering may have taken place. IF tampering happened, we believe that it most probably did during the 100 seconds that Dorito Dink took the footballs to the urinal. There was no other direct evidence related to this incident (AFCCG) but we obtained a chain of text messages where Dorito Dink referred to himself as ‘Deflator’ more than once which we found suspicious.

    The End.

    Instead Wells decided to prosecute instead of investigating, the NFL threw the Patriots to the lions and now after millions of dollars, hours, and posts, people honestly need reminding “Worst case scenario, this is all about sticking a pin for 3 seconds in a football!!!”

    “Cheating is cheating” is true but remember, it goes both ways. YES, you should get punished for cheating but also NO, you shouldn’t get the chair for cheating.

  120. themanfromtheblacklodge says:
    May 19, 2015 9:19 AM
    I don’t know why Roger Goodell should be interested in helping Ted Wells to save face. If he delivered a wholly unacceptable report which doesn’t stand up to scrutiny, hang him out to dry and never employ him again.

    Wells does a lot of work for the NFL, he’s done investigations for them before…he knows where the skeletons are.

  121. scoreatwill says:
    May 19, 2015 7:26 AM
    Makes no sense. If this is true why wouldn’t they let them be interviewed a second time by Ted Wells? There is more to this than the league asking the Patriots to suspend them!

    Four times! FOUR! The Patriots denied a fifth interview. McNally had already lost several days pay from having to take time off his full time job to cooperate with the league–even after he’d been called a liar by the investigators–and still wouldn’t change his answers.

  122. Welll.s report biased:
    #1 Brady might not know McNally (Bruschi didn’t). Maybe he might have known who Bird was or Burt. If he was shown a photo of McNally and then denied knowing who he was, then Brady lied. Was there a member of the Pat’s organization there, is there a recording of the interview?
    #2 Certainly Anderson can report whether or he used a straight gauge needle or a bent one. The logo non logo stuff is a fabrication that is used to provide damning evidence against the Pat’s. We should ask Anderson or McNally.
    What we do know is the Pats’ gauge and Anderson’s gauge showed little discrepancy (two balls had issues). The same is probably true for the Colts’ gauge. This means that two or three gauges were not that far off from each other. Then there is gauge that reads appreciably lower than the gauge used by Anderson which as I have pointed out lines up with the Pats’ and possibly the Colt’s. All data taken by this outlier gauge should be thrown out.
    Then all presure drops are explained by the ideal gas law and McNally could not have let any air out. McNally saw Anderson “tamper” with two balls.He had to check to make sure that the “tampered” balls were not “ruggers”.
    Mr. Wells ignores Walt Anderson’s testimony so he could pursue Roger’s idea of parity

  123. It started with someone from the league leaking to Chris Mortensen of ESPN the blatantly false news that 11 of the 12 Patriots footballs were a full two pounds under the 12.5 PSI minimum at halftime of the AFC title game. That set the narrative of presumed tampering, and the league never corrected the misinformation until the Ted Wells report disclosed for the first time 13 days ago actual numbers that revealed: (1) dramatically conflicting pressure gauges; and (2) a set of readings that falls fully in line with the operation of the Ideal Gas Law.

    50% chance Mortensen made it up. If not does he give up his source when he is party to the Brady defamation case.

  124. offtopic111 says:
    May 19, 2015 8:24 AM
    OK – so the league asked for this.

    So why might the Patriots have gone through with the suspensions even if the team did not believe that they did anything wrong? The answer could be very simple, they did not want to be accused of “failure to cooperate” yet again.

    Add to this that as day game employees, they were off the payroll until at least August anyway…..and just maybe the league agrees to reinstate them by then since there’s no proof that they or anyone else intentionally deflated anything.

  125. dumbaseinstien says:
    May 19, 2015 11:07 AM
    If the NFL allows Brady to get away with cheating, it will mean Brady & the Patriots are more important than the integrity of the game.

    I’m assuming the einstein you refer to in your name is Joe, not Albert….although Albert was something of an idiot-savant, he flunked out of grade school…..just throwing that out there.

    No Brady, No Banner!!!!!

  126. The entire notion of tampering rests on the issue of why the Colts footballs deflated less at halftime. the problem is that the testing firm in the Wells report either screwed up, or intentionally omitted the FACT, repeat FACT that when the footballs are brought inside at halftime, into a warmer environment, the PSI INCREASES.

    The Wells report states that 11 Patriot footballs were tested and only 4 Colts footballs were tested BECAUSE they ran out of time. Therefore the most likely scenario in order, check Patriots footballs, then inflate Patriots footballs, check Colts footballs in the 13 halftime minutes. By the way the Colts footballs were also below the 12.5 PSI on one gauge.

    Dr. Drew Fustin, did a study linking how the timing of the Colts footballs at halftime would effect the PSI. the conclusion is – it makes a HUGE impact and it accounts for the differences between the Patriots deflation and the Colts deflation.

    In other words game, set and match for the Patriots.

    The science is true whether you believe it or not.

  127. billh1947 says:
    May 19, 2015 7:54 AM

    Why is it so hard for Pats fan to realize their team did indeed seek an unfair advantage and deflate the footballs.

    —-
    Why is it so hard for Patriot Hater to realize their team is indeed inferior to the World Champions in every aspect of the organization?

    I mean.. it’s not like your team can’t do something about it. Like say… working harder, getting better players, and coaching smarter. Is it really too much to ask? Is it really that complicated? I don’t think so jack! 🙂

  128. The investigation was over. The “failure to cooperate” excuse doesn’t hold up; and if the Pats are so all-fired sure they’re innocent, all this does is cast shade on that claim. The “innocent” team would have stood behind their employees through thick or thin, not acquiesced to the League’s (I’m sure the Pats would have said “baseless”) request. They caved because they knew what was going on.

  129. Wells used messages from McNally and Jastremski to portray them unfairly.

    Wells and the NFL then pressured the Pats to suspend McNally and Jastremski. In an effort to get them to change their testimony and turn on Brady.

    The ploy failed, because Brady is innocent. The PSI measurements actually exonerate McNally and Jastremski. Since the balls were not deflated.

    Wells had an agenda to convict Brady using leaks, misleading statements, ignoring facts, spurious speculations and innuendos

  130. If there is any compromise, it will look like an admission of guilt by the Patriots. At this point, it has to be all or nothing.

    “Actual numbers that revealed: (1) dramatically conflicting pressure gauges; and (2) a set of readings that falls fully in line with the operation of the Ideal Gas Law.”

    Here is how the commissioner can fix everything and make everybody look good:

    1) Goodell can state that out of fairness, he always intended to stay out of the investigation and potential (if any) punishment process.

    2) Now that that process is over, Goodell can weigh in on the pressure loss and gauge issue as proof that there was no wrongdoing by the Patriots.

    If the pressure checks out correct, like it did, then there was no crime committed. Investigation over.

    No suspension, no fine and no loss of draft picks.

    I don’t care if they find a text from Tom Brady to an equipment guy that states, “Hey man, don’t forget to let some air out of the balls after they’re inspected. You can duck into the bathroom in the tunnel. Nobody will see you there.”

    The pressure checked out fine. No crime. End of story.

    3) He can save Well’s reputation and praise his team for a very thorough investigation that left no stone un turned. Remember, Wells never actually called anybody guilty.

    This way everybody wins. Nobody looks like the fool and the NFL can squash this completely idiotic fiasco once and for all.

    Actually, the only ones that lose are the Patriots bashers. The ones that can’t wait to pounce on anything Patriots related. Whether it’s a flimsy accusation or an outright lie. They want to believe anything negative about them and let their hate cloud their judgement.

    I’m a life long Steelers fan … but I’m honestly starting to like these guys. Never in a million years did I think I would ever say that.

  131. steelercrazy says:
    May 19, 2015 11:24 AM
    As per an nfl spokesman the league never requested a suspension.
    —————————
    Wrong! It’s all there in Breer’s original report about the 3 suspensions (Brady, McNally & Jastremski). For any hater (or competent reporter) able to read to the bottom, it clearly said THESE decisions (i.e., plural, for all 3 guys) were meted out by the NFL’s Troy Vincent, and agreed by Goodell.

    It’s easier to hate than read.

  132. So the millionaires and billionaires prove again the rules don’t apply to them only to the peons that shine their shoes. Hopefully Kraft and Brady pay off John Jastremski and Jim McNally for taking the bullet. Of course knowing most high rollers the payoff will probably be an autograph football for each and an additional week’s vacation.

  133. dumbaseinstein wrote:

    “If the NFL allows Brady to get away with cheating, it will mean Brady & the Patriots are more important than the integrity of the game.”

    —————————-

    What part of …

    “A set of readings that falls fully in line with the operation of the Ideal Gas Law.”

    … do you not understand?

  134. Sorry. Don’t buy it. Stand your ground. If your guys are innocent, then why accept the leagues request to fire them? At this point, all teams should cheat like the Patriots* and then when they get caught kick and scream like little Tom Brady’s.

  135. At this point, the WORST 2 things that Goodell can do are:

    1) Uphold the penalties. The outright proof of natural pressure loss cannot be ignored. It seals the entire investigation and if ignored, proves they are punishing a completely innocent party.

    2) Reduce the penalties. Bad because A) See point 1 above. B) It will only look like the league caved to the Patriots who he thinks are still guilty, because the whole thing wasn’t thrown out.

    If there is ANYTHING but complete exoneration, the magnitude of this story will only multiply. People will INSIST that Goodell is siding with his BFF Bob Kraft. But knowing Goodell and his questionable decision making, that is probably what he will do.

  136. If the Pats had refused to suspend them as some posters have suggested was an option, then NE would have been accused of “failing to cooperate with the NFL” which would have caused the same people to argue that NE must be guilty for doing that.

    Can’t win in this situation.

  137. pftbro says:
    May 19, 2015 7:32 AM
    Just disband this sad bunch of cheaters…everyone is tired of their constant cheating ways…

    ——————-
    Translation: Please find a way to eliminate The Patriots so they do not continue to pummel my feeble team year after year….

  138. If your guys are innocent, then why accept the leagues request to fire them?

    Because if they don’t then the league will have a real case against the Patriots of non cooperation instead of the phony made up one they have now. 🙂

  139. ““Cheating is cheating” is true but remember, it goes both ways. YES, you should get punished for cheating but also NO, you shouldn’t get the chair for cheating.”

    And you definitely shouldn’t get the chair for NOT cheating, which is what almost certainly happened here…

  140. The Patriots were accused of being uncooperative. Do you think the NFL’s request was really a request? And do you think they wanted to look less cooperative?

    The thing is, it’s a seasonal job — these two guys wouldn’t be working for the Patriots right now anyway so it’s not hurting them financially to be suspended. I’m sure Kraft thought he’d better go along with it and he could fight it later.

  141. Why are these 2 guys beavis and butthead? They were just doing what “Tom Terrific” told them to do. Bartman thinks they got a raw deal.

  142. dumbaseinstien says:
    May 19, 2015 11:07 AM
    If the NFL allows Brady to get away with cheating, it will mean Brady & the Patriots are more important than the integrity of the game.
    ———————————————————-
    I’m amazed how many posters have evidently failed to read the article they are commenting on, or apparently any other recent article Mike Florio has posted which have utterly discredited the “They Cheated!” narrative.

  143. Why lookie there…Goodell found a couple scape goats!

    Nobody else could find somebody else to blame besides Tom Shady. That is the advantage of sitting in the owner’s box in Gillette.

  144. This is just CYA for patriots and their fans…

    The Patriots didn’t fire the “little guy” scapegoats, the NFL made them do it.

  145. Whats the matter Patriot Fans are you all maaaaaaaad bro’s. You got caught cheating yet again and the big mean ole NFL league spanked you and punished you. Now you can do one of to things. Suck it up accept it move on or keep crying to DEAF ears pleading your teams case. Cheating is cheating anyway you cut it and the organization that employed these jackwagons are responsible for their actions. Pretty boy Brady knew it. Take your meds and stop friggin cheating. Your team brought this on themselves with the first of many accusations that were confirmed and dealt with in the past. Congratulations your team will forever be known as cheaters. Roger Goodell might not be the best commish for the NFL but he’s having to deal with crap like Wife beaters Gun Hoarders Murderer’s and the constant cheating proved allegations of the New England Patriots. I say HERE HERE Roger dont take know crap off R Kraft T Brady. And by the way I no longer buy Gillet products. jus sayin…..

  146. Calling somebody a cheater on flimsy accusations only reflects much, much worse on the one calling names.

    Let’s not forget that the Patriots won their first 3 Super Bowls when videotaping from the sidelines was full well legal for anybody and everybody to do. If you insist that the Patriots cheated their way to those 3 championships and deserve asterisks, you are a complete fool that does not understand the rules.

    Taping opponents from the sideline became illegal prior to the start of the 07 season. The league wanted to make sure that the video could not be accessed during the current game, so enacted rules that the cameras must be located in areas as to not be accessible until after the game.

    Inexplicably, Belichick ignored the new rule and got busted still filming. He deserved the penalty he got.

    The “tuck rule” accusation is the most comical one. It was a controversial call that the Patriots in no way had any part in making. They didn’t even lobby with the refs to call it. It was the correct call by the officials based on the rules at the time. Everybody (including me) hated that rule. The Raiders essentially had that game stolen from them by the Patriots. Bashers blame the Patriots for the questionable rule. Typical.

    Substitutions? Again, PLEASE! What they did was again, fully within the rules. Blame the Ravens, their coach and their inept defensive players for now knowing how to react.

    Now this ball deflation fiasco that is scientifically proven to be nothing but a mistake by the league and the news media.

    As a Steelers fan, it kills me to say this. But the only known wrongdoing ever by the Patriots was when Belichick ignored the rule change regarding videotaping from the sideline. Hardly a reason to label them cheaters or say that they embrace, “a culture of cheating”. What a joke. Everything else if fluffed up BS from spineless clowns that resent their success.

    I might actually have my buddy up in Brockton ship me a Tom Brady jersey. Is it possible for a Steelers fan to actually LIKE the Patriots? Maybe this feeling will pass. LOL

  147. ” the Patriots suspended John Jastremski and Jim McNally because the NFL requested the discipline makes plenty of sense.”

    ***************

    Aw shucks! And so many of the geniuses on here were hanging their hats on the question of “If they are innocent, why did the Pats fire them?!” (Of course, also being ignorant of the fact they were suspended, not fired).

    Now what will they base their baseless claims of cheating on???

    Let the gnashing of teeth begin.

  148. tap79 says:
    “Get rid of the almighty cheater Brady and Belicheat and start to rebuild an organization that has some integrity… Then and only then will this be forgotten”

    I for one hope that the rest of the NFL never forgets that they were so afraid of the mighty Patriots that they had to resort to calls to disband the team for non-offenses and perceived infractions.

  149. The problem now is that the science is indicating that they did NOT cheat. RUH ROH RAGGY!!!

    I am not a Pats fan but right is right and because of history they are being wrongfully accused and the new being leaked is done in such a manner that would make Fox News proud and the sheep that are nfl die hards will believe it and form a biased opinion.

    Now RG is going to preside over the case??? Fair and Balanced baby!!!!

    Time for Rodger to go folks…

  150. “$h!t rolls downhill”, is once again proven to be more than just a part of the law of physics. Fire (in this case suspend) the lowest employee possible and call it corrective action taken, while those on top go unpunished and live to cheat another day.

  151. So the guys who are working at a job that probably doesn’t pay a whole lot get suspended, and will have to try and find another way to put food on the table? Makes perfect sense for the organization that is viewed as (and probably is) the biggest spoiled brat the NFL has ever seen.

  152. Good luck winning your fantasy lawsuit cheaters. Will never happen. Brady remains suspended for every game. NFL drags it’s feet to ensure Brady sits. You don’t like it, don’t cheat!

  153. Dave399….”Substitutions? Again, PLEASE! What they did was again, fully within the rules. Blame the Ravens, their coach and their inept defensive players for now knowing how to react.”

    Surprise a Steelers fan that is misinformed.

    The Patriot trick play was NOT within the rules. The Refs did not call it accurately. Unlike other teams, the Refs would have stopped play to sort it out. With the Patriots, the Refs won’t stop a play. Instead they get it wrong, then penalize Harbaugh 15 yards for legitimately complaining.

    Bellicheck knew he could get away with it. And worse case the referees suspend play to figure it out. Bellichek had nothing to lose. The change in ruling was simply to make it clear for the refs how to call the play.

    Net: Bellichek didn’t exploit a rule, he exploited the refs not calling the rule correctly against the Patriots….that is a BIG difference.

  154. yourteamcheats dot com

    Find your team and let us know where they rank. And don’t tell me that your team is not on there, because every team is on there. Now please stop with the ridiculous holier than thou comments. Your team cheated too!!!

  155. There’s no way this is true. If it were, the Patriots would have said so a long time ago. They’ve been hammered on the issue of why the men were suspended if they did nothing wrong. Also, to assume this came out as a leak from the NFL makes no sense. Why couldn’t it be from the Patriots? In fact, it only make sense that it came from them.

  156. If I were McNally and Jastremski I would sue Wells.

    a Defamation lawsuit is certainly possible. Wells called these 2 men liars and cheaters. This is contrary to the scientific evidence, which proves the balls were not deflated.

    The accusations against McNally and Jastremski are based on spurious speculations when other reasonable explanations exist. If McNally was part of a conspiracy to deflate the balls why were the balls over-inflated at the Jets game ?

    In addition , the Colts claim the balls were deflated during the season when they played at Indianapolis. McNally did not travel with the team, could not have deflated the balls when he was home in New Hampshire. yet Wells implies the Colts had evidence of deflated balls in during games where McNally was not present.

    McNally and Jastremski clam some of the texts referring to Tom referred to a friend, not Brady. Wells claimed all three men were lying, since he also interviewed their friend Tom.

    Ted Wells paints McNally and Jastremski as sophisticated liars, deceptive cheaters who conspired against his team of Lawyers, the NFL and the Patriots. Ted Wells will most likely settle out of court to avoid an embarrassing trial

  157. Come on, when you say stuff like “not going to espn…yet” and “Tom sux”, and the team finds out, dont expect to keep your job…

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